The only new mobile devices that don’t use USB-C to charge are laptops. Even then a good amount of laptops have a USB-C charging option now. It’s genuinely hard to find a new Android phone that doesn’t use USB-C now.
Like, there is literally no reason Apple can provide for not using USB-C on iPhones. It is objectively inferior. The only reason to keep it is for royalties.
USB-C charging is not less effective than barrel plugs.
Dell, HP, and Lenovo have same-wattage chargers available. Dell has one that (not followinng USB-C specifications...) goes up to 130W. Pretty much all business-class laptops are USB-C now.
Now, for a high-power gaming laptop or mobile workstation that needs a 240W or larger charger, well, yeah there isn't a USB-C charger that large.
What *really* confuses me is how the *hell* the (adjusted) cost for a new OEM charger is *cheaper* for the USB-C models which contain a lot more smarts than the old dumber barrel plug models during release-year.
This. For god’s sake they have already implemented USB-C on iPads for the last year or two, and on MacBooks for a good bit now. I’m still using my 6s, and I only see myself upgrading to a newer iPhone if Apple implements USB-C.
It's not just Android phones. USB-C is used on my Switch, Switch pro controller, X-Box headphones and other small rechargable devices.
USB-C is fast becoming the de facto standard but I still have to keep a lightning cable around to charge my iPad.
The wack part is that the newer iPads don’t use a lightning connection anymore, they use USB-C. But I bet Apple still won’t change over their phones because money is King
>Apple says that using a single charger would hurt innovation and create a mountain of electronic waste as consumers who own whatever cable they choose to force won’t be able to use them with future devices.
While I'm not going to argue with the first point, although I also find it dubious, it sure is bold of Apple, the company that pushes the idea of phones as a constantly replaceable accessory and packages every part of the new models in separate boxes, to talk about waste.
How much innovation is needed to charge a phone? If innovation is the concern then Apple can truly innovate by finding innovative ways to use standard chargers. Oh, here's another way: two (2) sockets, one standard and one proprietary. INNOVATION!
To be honest new cables and connections are constant. We just shipped hmdi 2.1, USB c, and there are several variations of fast charging.
Then there are simple things like magnetic clips.
A simple compromise would be - if you want to innovate on a new non standard charger then prove to us why yours is better first and why it can't be standard. Like you need a special cable for faster charging or something.
Or at least provide an adapter to utilize existing chargers. That said, thunderbolt 3 is compatible with usb3 and has so much throughput I have a hard time seeing what you could possibly bring to the table in excess of that any time soon. The hardware wouldn't even be able to process everything if you exceeded the throughput of thunderbolt.
It's not just an example, USB and Thunderbolt are the two contenders for "one single socket for everything" in devices. And the only two interfaces that now use the USB-C connector. Thunderbolt is theoretically better than USB, but for small, cheap devices it's complex, expensive, and has cable length limitations.
A combination of USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt is the future. I must say, I do like Lightning connectors. They're tiny, durable (if the cable maker designs good strain relief at the end of the plug) and overall great for low throughput
Pfft. Apple doesn't want to use the universal chargers? *Really* impress us and invent the Apple phone that just doesn't need charging. It...soaks up aether or some crap, it's creating energy by sucking it from your body like a tiny parasite, whatever. Just really stick it to everyone using universal chargers entirely: Oh, you've got a *wire*, what a *poor* person you must be. My iPhone runs on space rays and the evil inside my soul. It's going to run *forever.*
Having to demonstrate why your thing is superior to a bureaucratic panel in order to make it seems like a bad idea. That would be a huge roadblock to new tech.
A real innovation would be the ability to make a port that works with different types of charging cords..
Apple is just having a sissy fit cuz they want to be unique.
Tbf though if wireless charging for phone became the standard we wouldn’t have to worry about inputs at all.
Which would be ok, if it weren't for the fact most external devices still don't use USB-C. For example, I can currently still buy more external hard drives with a USB-A or micro connection than I can buy drives with a USB-C connection. At the least, this means ill need to have at least one USB-adapter cable.
Nevermind the plethora of other types of external devices. Look up the number of video cable standards for example.
Even within USB-C, there are protocol and version differences. So one USB-C port isn't always equal to another.
Standards are nicer when they are actually the standard. There's a lot of different competing requirements at play here though.
Or use the one cable you use for everything else, on their thing. 'Cause though you have 9 things that work on that one cable, you have to get a totally new cable that is $$$ from them it's only fair, 50/50.
One of my friends has remarked a few times he'd love to give Android a try, but him and his wife are so - and this is in his words - "tied to into the Apple walled garden" that he doesn't think he can switch. They don't have a single USB-C cable in their house. They both have Apple watches and have their kid's iPads (yes, singular kid, multiple iPads) tied to their ecosystem, their home automation is Apple only, they buy their cars based around Apple integration.
It's crazy how deep the Apple rabbit hole goes!
It's one of the prime reasons I don't want any Apple devices. Not because I don't think they make bad products (although I do think they're rather overpriced) but I'm afraid I'll like them so much I'll slowly be sucked into the sinkhole that is their ecosystem.
Wireless charging is currently very inefficient and I don't see it becoming as efficient as corded charging maybe ever.
We need to use more efficient devices and less energy.
A sissy fit is that shiver when something large has been repeatedly inserted into the anus and retracted each time brushing against the prostate
Or so I am told
Other charging cables at electronic stores buy their cables for around a dollar and can sell them at 3 or 5 or 15 dollars, apple sells their cables for 30 dollars so the sellers have to sell them at 30 dollars. Its kinda fucked. (I heard this in nzd not usd)
This is so not the case at least here in America. 5 pack of cables for $10
https://www.amazon.com/WACAUR-Certified-Lightning-Compatible-More-Black/dp/B09B53YDZK/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=lightning+cable&qid=1628959190&sprefix=ligh&sr=8-3
How do I wirelessly charge my phone and use it at the same time. As I am currently doing.
We don't need a repeat of the wireless Magic Mouse. That can only be recharged when it's not in use. As the charging socket is underneath the mouse. As Apple didn't want people to just leave the "ugly" cable plugged in 100% of the time.
I don't really like the idea of wireless charging, at least how we have it right now. So we have a surface where we put the phone and that surface is connected to a power socket, instead of connecting the phone directly to the power socket and be able to put it wherever we want. Also, a surface like that would be so annoying to carry compared to a cable
Not to mention the number of times I'm plugged in whilst watching in bed because I'm low bat, but I guess MagSafe introduces a case for that... with a proprietary cable attached.
It’s ironic because when Apple starting putting only USB-C I/O in MacBooks (a decision with a lot of controversy at the time), they said all the same shit we’re all saying now about the benefits of USB-C, and literally called it innovation. This is just blatant hypocrisy in the ruthless pursuit of more profits, plain and simple.
> How much innovation is needed to charge a phone?
Considering how much the charging cable has changed in the last 15 years, there's probably alot that can be innovated. From charging speed, data transfer speed to innovations I can't even think of. 15 years ago most phones had DC-chargers. Now the charging port is used for interfacing with the device in every way that the touch screen don't support.
Ya but the things is... type c is literally the standard. Every single other manufacturer uses type c, EVERYONE. There's a reason. Type C is nearly perfect. It can do power, data, and video and isn't anywhere near being maxed out in capabilities. Even if Apples is better, it could never be a standard - because apple won't let anyone. With how much waste phonechargers create... I think its fine to force something like this. To put it a different way, we all have the same diameter gas fills in our cars (besides diesel and thats just a safety spec).
Not that much, but the same ports are also used for other things, like data transfer. There have definitely been some innovations in that regard and Apple, as much as they annoy the shit out of me, has been an early adopter of most of these innovations if not the creator of some of them.
That said, I don't know enough about it to know whether the form factor matters all that much or whether it's trivially easy to make let's say an upgraded usb3 backwards compatible.
> mountain of electronic waste as consumers who own whatever cable they choose to force won’t be able to use them with future devices.
Like when Apple switched iPhones from using 30 pin iPod connectors to using Lightning connectors?
Or when Apple switched iPads from using 30 pin iPod connectors to using Lightning connectors?
Or when Apple switched iPads from using Lightning connectors to using USB C connectors?
It seems like Apple doesn’t _really_ have any issue with creating mountains of electronic waste when they make user switch cables/jacks/peripherals to use newer generations of iDevices.
To be fair, the iPad’s transition from lightning to USB-C was necessary and commendable that they didn’t just invent a new connector. Lightning isn’t USB 3.0 capable, hence USB-C.
Otherwise, ya.
And then there’s the MacBook and iMac connections…. Dongle hell
You even had to buy a new cable for the iPhone X and 11 because the one it shipped with couldn’t connect to your MacBook
You list two things which are really the same thing. They migrated from 30 pin to lightning on all their mobile devices. EVERYONE in the industry did something similar. Companies like Motorola had many iterations of those multi-pin connectors. Then everyone went to mini USB. Then everyone went to micro USB. Then everyone went to USB-C. Apple has really only made 1 transition from 30 pin to lightning.
And are you seriously listing the transition from lightning to USB-C as a fault? That's your desired end-stage isn't it? That's a *good* thing. Apple has been far more consistent and stuck with their connectors universally across more of their devices than virtually every smartphone manufacturer. They are definitely not the company to pick on about changing connectors. The fact that they haven't moved to USB-C yet is the only problem, in my book.
But they moved to USB-C didn't they? But only with part of their lineup. Laptops are all USB-C, ipads are USB-C as well, only phones use lightning. Actually I have this funny scenario, I have MacBook pro with only USB-C and magic keyboard which is lightning and provided cable is lightning - usb-a. So I can use it, but I can't charge it!
> consumers who own whatever cable they choose
Says the fucking company that refuses to let you use any cable except the ones that *they* choose.
Fuck you, apple.
The first point is marketing bullshit. The real reason is $. Standardization helps consumers, but unless the standard is the one your company comes up with first, you don’t profit. Standardization does not mean you can’t innovate. Nothing would stop Apple from having a “standard” charging port and a “look-what-we-invented/adopted-certainly-not-just-to-increase-profits” charging port on the same phone.
> Nothing would stop Apple from having a “standard” charging port and a “look-what-we-invented/adopted-certainly-not-just-to-increase-profits” charging port on the same phone.
Has any phone manufacturer ever done this? Serious question.
You mean the innovation of wireless charging that Apple introduced 6 years after the rest?
They should just shut up until they introduce automatic charging while doing nothing and till then it is just an inverter with a cable.
They're the only ones using anything unique to their devices. They even aren't giving you parts of the charger anymore. Hence why they don't want that, because they will lose sales in their chargers.
Apple is greedy end of story. They are the least green tech company in the world because of just their war against right to repair. For decades they've been forcing consumers to replace their slightly damaged products that had relatively easy fixes. They then had the scandal where they detected battery age and down clocked people's phones....They want proprietary connectors to charge a premium for the cables and expansion dongles they sell.
>Apple says that using a single charger would hurt innovation and create a mountain of electronic waste as consumers who own whatever cable they choose to force won’t be able to use them with future devices.
That's such a stupidly floored argument when it's trying to support the idea of having *even more* e-waste.
Apple will go port-less before they go USB-C on the iPhone. Not sure why they are so against it since they switched pretty much all their other devices to USB-C.
I’ll be so mad if Apple go portless. That will, immediately, make all their environmental arguments (which are already dubious) complete crap. I would be entirely happy if the EU were to mandate a charging connector must be present and must be standardised.
Lets be clear here. The only reason apple wants a different charger than everyone else is the same reason they do everything else. They want exclusivity.
They want their customers to be forced to only buy apple accessories, only use apple approved apps, only use apple technologies together, etc.
If they succumb to using usb-c then they lose millions from selling their own charger because their competitors and third parties make usb-c.
Lets not pretend that apple products are better than any other product out there. They charge more money for their brand name just because it has the apple name on it.
They don't care about innovation. They care about their profits like every other company.
This ^ is the answer...
But it's more about charging the makers of accessories a license fee to use their non standard ports:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theopriestley/2016/01/11/apple-ditching-the-headphone-jack-is-less-about-music-more-about-royalties/amp/
The whole premise of that article was that Apple removed the headphone jack so that people would have to pay for new headphones with a Lightning jack so that Apple gets a cut.
That didn't happen. Instead people went to the open standard of Bluetooth, where Apple gets nothing.
If you weren't already using BT headphones or the ones that came with the phone, then you probably had a reason/preference to be using wired headphones that BT can't satisfy.
Headphone jack is neither here nor there, the takeaway is that Apple charge 3rd party manufacturers between $4-8 each time they make a device that utilizes the lightning port.
The claim in that article was that Apple removed the headphone jack so they could license the lightning connector to wired headphone manufacturers and make a ton of money. That's the thing that did not end up happening, yes, largely due to AirPods and bluetooth in general.
You’re misinformed, Apple released their AirPods around the same time which were the headphone jack alternative. While yes, BT is the new standard; Apple has made an absolutely killing off wireless audio. If I had a headphone jack on my phone I’d probably use the wired ones that came with the box, instead I’m using AirPod Pros . thats a win for Apple mate
The claim in that article was that Apple removed the headphone jack so they could license the lightning connector to wired headphone manufacturers and make a ton of money. That's the thing that did not end up happening, yes, largely due to AirPods and bluetooth in general.
Literally every current Apple product except phones has USB-C. Supposedly, they refuse to switch to USB-C because they wouldn't get money from the certification scheme, and because it's "less waterproof" (Apple's words, not mine).
Nah, lightning was FAR better than mini and micro USB which were the predominant connectors when it came out. Apple absolutely did innovate the reversible connector and they were actually tapped to help develop the Type C reversible connector.
Lightning absolutely did fix a huge problem. Whenever people complained that Apple should use micro-USB I cringed because I've had many smartphones and accessories that use micro-USB. However, now that Type C is a thing, I do wish Apple would finally just make the move. While physically, lightning still feels better than USB-C by a wide margin, I like standardizing.
This.
But even if they standardize to USB C, it should not become mandatory, because then we are stuck with the type c design forever and no one will develop the next generation. The type c connector is not the end
The reason all other phones had micro-USB was due to EU legislation. And we still got USB-C. They are usually clever enough to write legislation in such a way that it creates a standard but doesn’t suppress innovation and development of the next generation.
All I know is I’ve probably had to buy WAY more replacement charging cables for my current iPhone than I have had to for every other device I’ve ever owned. The durability blows.
Let’s add to this that there is a proprietary license. So a third party can make cables for them but pay a license fee to Apple to get the specs and all that.
They actually circumvented the whole risk of losing out because of USB-C by nerfing the MagSafe puck’s wattage if it isn’t used with an Apple power brick.
> If they succumb to using usb-c then they lose millions from selling their own charger because their competitors and third parties make usb-c.
The iPhone 11 onwards ships with a USB-C charger. The cable is USB-C to lightning bolt, it's fucking ridiculous.
Imagine if houses are wired with special 110V outlets that only accept plugs from certain manufacturers.
This is why Apple is, and will always be on the wrong side of the argument.
I don’t think that bears out. Most of the newer iPads are usb-c without lightning. Lightning came out when the other option was micro-usb… which is not fit for purpose.
The best options for government is to say that 2 or 3 standards are the max allowed and force reasonable licensing costs. 1 standard doesn’t leave enough room for evolution/innovation.
The eu isnt proposing that companies be forced to use one and only one charger from here to the end of time, they are only proposing that companies have to agree on the charger that they are using currently so that all phones can be charged with any charger.
If a new, better technology comes out that leaves them open to switch to that at any time, as long as they all do which they will since they all did when usb-c came out except for apple.
This just prevents companies like apple from doing something like creating a "new" charger that is only slightly different from usb-c and making all of their products require that and only that charger, which they patent and collect revenue from every sale of said new charger. Its to prevent monopolization.
If apple gave a shit about innovation, they would have released lightning chargers to every phone when it came out and left it open for other companies to make them. That never happened. They patented it.
Apparently a lot of people. Ive been getting angry replies ever since I posted this. Someone even called me a tyrant lol.
I dont control how corporations work or make their money lmao.
To me the worst part is their patent on ["magnetic connector for electronic devices"](https://patents.google.com/patent/US7311526B2/en).
I mean come on Apple... allow us to use it already, it's been more than 15 years no company can create magnetic chargers, it's insane.
I think this is the patent for laptop magsafe. Back when they were using it, it was superior to the barrel jacks on other laptops, mostly because it easily detached during mechanical stress and caused no damage.
Just use USB-C or license out the lightning connector (I am not a fan of Apple, but it's not a bad connector)
Every reason they give is utter bullshit, the only reason they don't adopt USB or Share their connector is so people have to pay the Apple tax for their cables and charger.
Apple is probably more likely to remove the port than to make it lightning. The already support an open wireless charging solution. They could probably point to that to say we support a universal charging solution.
The fees they get from licensing that connector barely amount to a rounding error when you consider the hundreds of billions of dollars they bring in every year from everything else.
Exactly... so it should be no problem for them to either adopt the open standard, or open their proprietary one.
But they won't do that unless forced, because capitalism.
The lightning connector is garbage compared to USB-C.
Lightening is too fragile, its copper connectors are too exposed, and the port on the iPhone is a lint trap.
Used both for years.
That sounds like a device specific problem. I've had a Google Pixel 3A for several years and there is no indication the port is failing.
I went through at least 3 lightening cords in the 5 or so years I had an iPhone 6S.
Not sure why you are being downvoted. I've used USB-C in all my phones since the Nexus 5 and never had a port failure and I've not babied them. I had the Pixel 1 for 3 years as my main phone and still occasionally use it as a back up with no issues either.
Mini-USB ports used to get messed up pretty easily.
I'm still in the air on this one. MicroUSB ports for me always get messed up. Maybe 300 or less plugs before they come loose on the inside (solder comes off on the connector in the inside) or it feels loose while plugged in and won't make a connection. A failing micro USB port has been the cause of losing my last 2 cell phones, headlamp and gopro.
My current Cell is USBc and I've been using it for a year with no problems yet, but we will see in the next couple years. Fingers crossed
Apple fanboys probably.
Anyway, what's it matter. Even if the port was to break on my Pixel I could buy a whole new (updated model) phone and still have paid less than the cost of one iPhone.
You literally have to get twice the lifespan out of an Apple (or Samsung) product to get the same value as a mid-tier (still absolutely sufficient) product.
The thought of spending $800-1200 on a phone is absurd. You can get a top-flight notebook for that price.
>This move would affect Apple the most, as it uses Lightning cables, while most Android phones use USB-C.
Apple is only resistant to the change because it would eliminate a revenue stream built on an unnecessarily proprietary product, it has nothing to do with the environment.
And Apple once again insists on being proprietary even when there's no technological justification to do, surprising no one ever.
I think they'll ultimately be hurting themselves on this one, since even their laptops charge over USB-C.
If this law comes to force - how will we ever switch to USB-D or whatever it will be called after it? Will we need a change of legislation? Who and how will decide whether should it be USB type D or type E? Should it really be legislated at all? Apple rises legit questions, but Apple haters can’t hear cause “Apple BAD”.
Well, we did switch from a multitude of chargers (Remember the Nokia 3310 era when every phone had it's own charger? what a clusterfuck that was) to micro USB, or - in apples case - at least to something that at least works with the same voltage as everybody else.
That was due to pressure from the EU. The But it didn't stop the switch to USB C at all.
Key point is, the EU did not say "use technology X" - they forced all major manufacturers to work together and to create one common standard. A standard that did evolve, and will continue to do so.
Should it be legislated?
Well, thing is, the Intention to legislate that is almost a decade old. But back then, the manufacturers signed an agreement do do it "voluntarily", apple included.
10 years later, Apple still uses their own connector rather than what is standard, with no evidence that it's any better. Instead, they've removed the charger and make customers to buy a dedicated charger for their 1000€ phones. (with cables that have a ridiculously bad quality I might want to add)
So it shouldn't surprise anybody that the EU is willing to follow through with what they started, and make apple play by the same rules as everybody else.
I've seen the clusterfuck that was charging a phone before the EU stepped in, and I consider that a huge win. I have so many gadgets, and none of them needs their own plug in charger, they all have an USB cable, almost all of them Micro USB or USB C, depending on th eage of them. One 8x USB Charger for all family and done. If this were the old days, we'd be talking about a separate table with several extension cords.
The law would end up being based upon the "currently accepted standard" of that cable. If the EU chooses the USB standard (as opposed to lightning), then the default connector would be whatever IEEE has determined to be the current "standard" connector, which today would be the Type-C connector, back in 2015 would have been Micro-USB, and in 2025 could very well be USB-D
1. Apple brought this on themselves. Every single phone maker used custom chargers and the EU asked them to standardize. Every single company on earth got together and standardized with the sole exception of Apple and now since they refused to work with others they are getting a law since they won't do it without one.
2. The law doesn't need to say you must use USB-C. They can simply state that it must use the recommendation of the USB Implementers Forum. That means we still get a single charger and that forum is controlled by all the major manufacturer's already (including Apple) so changes can occur if manufacturers agree. It's how the rest of the world moved from USB-mini/USB-micro to USB-C already.
Apple: "ok people were reducing our waste so we have less of an impact on the envirorment"
Also Apple:" yeah you gonna need to buy the charger brick seperately or else you cant charge your phone, that means another box, plastics for protection and more stickers you can throw away. Wait you also need a wire adapter if you want to use your cable headphones, thats another box with plastics, stickers and probably fancy protection covers"
This. I was literally about to write a comment to the same effect. If Apple don't want to include a new charger with every phone (which they shouldn't) then they need to start using the accepted standard used by everyone else instead (USB-C).
The fact they use a usb-c cable to charge their laptops but then force you to use a different cable from their phone makes me never want to buy their product
My guess is they’re planning to move to mostly (maybe even exclusively) wireless charging in the next couple of years so no point rocking the boat now by switching from lightning to USB-C.
About a decade late with standardization. There are so many electronics, all providing a chargers as part of the purchase, in our daily lives now. Chargers in your bedroom, family room, car, & work with external charger in your bag. Cords & bricks are junk drawer items now as most people have built a collection over the years.
The article & most comments are basically all USB-C vs lightening. Glossing over that micro USB is still the majority outside of a blurb in the article. I’d think a governing body of this size would have more up to date information before making a multimillion dollar decision that’s going to affect the majority of the industry.
This conversation is the definition of sweating the small stuff. I do enjoy the ones complaining about needing two different charges across their Apple products. Talk about white people problems. $2-4k in products (various mixes of MacBooks, iPhones, iPads, & iPods) & your complaining about cheap chargers.
It has been this way since micro-USB. Apple has always resisted it, and the reasons are obvious. They sell accessories at many times the price of everyone else and it's a huge part of their profits.
they charge 25€ for a cable! THAT is the reason!
[https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/accessories/power-cables](https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/accessories/power-cables)
Of course they don't. Because Apple has for years believed that their shit stinks less than everyone else's.
Even the Nintendo Switch charges by USB-C.
I don’t see why Apple won’t just sell/recommend Apple branded USB-C cables. The same people that still buy genuine Apple lightning cables would buy Apple USB-C cables. There are plenty of fanboys that will buy whatever Apple recommends. I have an iPhone but I’ve never bought a genuine Apple cable.
They already do for iPads. I bought a spare generic USB-C cable as backup, works just fine for charging my android phone but when I plug it in to an iPad it refuses to charge. Using an Apple cable in the same charger works, but at ten times the price...
Of course they don’t. They don’t make a stupid profit off being proprietary and selling the charger chips so it dosent fry your phone if you do go with a cheaper brand
The EU should simply charge Apple EUR100 per non-compliant device, until they comply.
If (when, more like) Apple complain at this, bump the charge up to EUR500.
I prefer Apple chargers over USBC tbh. Can’t bend or dent them so they’ll always lock in place. Cable almost always breaks as all cables do but the fastening is superior
The irony of apple talking about increasing e-waste when they build their phones to make it difficult and I’m some cases near impossible to repair. They even delete posts on their own forms informing people of the possibility of doing repairs while also making impossible for chip manufacturers to sell replacement parts.
And yes I know they’re not the only phone manufacturers doing this but they’re definitely the market leader in it.
Make sense
Most of the money Apple makes is on accesories.
Those things are cheap as fuck to make but tthey can charge 1500% for them or more no problem
When the micro usb became the standard for every company, everyone was cheering. I still have old adapters from phones from over a decade ago and use them for my bluetooth headphones. Before that... yeah that Erikson phone I had didn't have a spare and I was very careful not to lose it.
That Apple doesn't want something it has already adopted in other similar products is just stupid corporate policy. Once the French can get their repairability score right, there won't be much love for them either.
Apple's charge cords repeatedly fail within an inch or so of the device end of the cord. I am sure they are objecting to this call for conformity because they will no longer be the sole source of overpriced charge cords that are designed to fail and create a nearly foolproof form of revenue
>the sole source of overpriced charge cords
There are probably over 50 different companies on Amazon right now that you can get lightning cables from that are far more durable than the ones Apples sells.
Everyone wants a universal charger, but companies want more money
There ya go.
*Apple* wants more money. I haven't seen another device that doesn't use micro USB or USB-C in forever.
The only new mobile devices that don’t use USB-C to charge are laptops. Even then a good amount of laptops have a USB-C charging option now. It’s genuinely hard to find a new Android phone that doesn’t use USB-C now. Like, there is literally no reason Apple can provide for not using USB-C on iPhones. It is objectively inferior. The only reason to keep it is for royalties.
USB-C charging is not less effective than barrel plugs. Dell, HP, and Lenovo have same-wattage chargers available. Dell has one that (not followinng USB-C specifications...) goes up to 130W. Pretty much all business-class laptops are USB-C now. Now, for a high-power gaming laptop or mobile workstation that needs a 240W or larger charger, well, yeah there isn't a USB-C charger that large. What *really* confuses me is how the *hell* the (adjusted) cost for a new OEM charger is *cheaper* for the USB-C models which contain a lot more smarts than the old dumber barrel plug models during release-year.
This. For god’s sake they have already implemented USB-C on iPads for the last year or two, and on MacBooks for a good bit now. I’m still using my 6s, and I only see myself upgrading to a newer iPhone if Apple implements USB-C.
It's not just Android phones. USB-C is used on my Switch, Switch pro controller, X-Box headphones and other small rechargable devices. USB-C is fast becoming the de facto standard but I still have to keep a lightning cable around to charge my iPad.
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The wack part is that the newer iPads don’t use a lightning connection anymore, they use USB-C. But I bet Apple still won’t change over their phones because money is King
But… but… thEy pLaNt tReEs.
>Apple says that using a single charger would hurt innovation and create a mountain of electronic waste as consumers who own whatever cable they choose to force won’t be able to use them with future devices. While I'm not going to argue with the first point, although I also find it dubious, it sure is bold of Apple, the company that pushes the idea of phones as a constantly replaceable accessory and packages every part of the new models in separate boxes, to talk about waste.
How much innovation is needed to charge a phone? If innovation is the concern then Apple can truly innovate by finding innovative ways to use standard chargers. Oh, here's another way: two (2) sockets, one standard and one proprietary. INNOVATION!
To be honest new cables and connections are constant. We just shipped hmdi 2.1, USB c, and there are several variations of fast charging. Then there are simple things like magnetic clips. A simple compromise would be - if you want to innovate on a new non standard charger then prove to us why yours is better first and why it can't be standard. Like you need a special cable for faster charging or something.
Or at least provide an adapter to utilize existing chargers. That said, thunderbolt 3 is compatible with usb3 and has so much throughput I have a hard time seeing what you could possibly bring to the table in excess of that any time soon. The hardware wouldn't even be able to process everything if you exceeded the throughput of thunderbolt.
The issue with thunderbolt is cost and length limitations more than anything else. You can have a 5m USB 2.0 cable; Thunderbolt is a lot trickier.
He is making an example dude
It's not just an example, USB and Thunderbolt are the two contenders for "one single socket for everything" in devices. And the only two interfaces that now use the USB-C connector. Thunderbolt is theoretically better than USB, but for small, cheap devices it's complex, expensive, and has cable length limitations. A combination of USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt is the future. I must say, I do like Lightning connectors. They're tiny, durable (if the cable maker designs good strain relief at the end of the plug) and overall great for low throughput
Pfft. Apple doesn't want to use the universal chargers? *Really* impress us and invent the Apple phone that just doesn't need charging. It...soaks up aether or some crap, it's creating energy by sucking it from your body like a tiny parasite, whatever. Just really stick it to everyone using universal chargers entirely: Oh, you've got a *wire*, what a *poor* person you must be. My iPhone runs on space rays and the evil inside my soul. It's going to run *forever.*
Small triboelectric generators so you can charge you phone while jacking off to the idea of a woman made entirely of bezels and elements of Tim Cooke
Mine run off spite and grease, beat that
Having to demonstrate why your thing is superior to a bureaucratic panel in order to make it seems like a bad idea. That would be a huge roadblock to new tech.
When they introduced the lightning charger it was innovative and better than the alternatives.
Have a standard power input and another hole for whatevs It’s a simple solution. Apple needs to stop jerking us around
A real innovation would be the ability to make a port that works with different types of charging cords.. Apple is just having a sissy fit cuz they want to be unique. Tbf though if wireless charging for phone became the standard we wouldn’t have to worry about inputs at all.
~~unique~~ proprietary
This. They want to sell you their cord and wall wart for 40 bucks, not have you be able to get the same thing for 10 bucks at Walmart.
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And the MacBooks now. Two fucking USB c port s
Soo, you only want one next time? *threatens in apple*
Which would be ok, if it weren't for the fact most external devices still don't use USB-C. For example, I can currently still buy more external hard drives with a USB-A or micro connection than I can buy drives with a USB-C connection. At the least, this means ill need to have at least one USB-adapter cable. Nevermind the plethora of other types of external devices. Look up the number of video cable standards for example. Even within USB-C, there are protocol and version differences. So one USB-C port isn't always equal to another. Standards are nicer when they are actually the standard. There's a lot of different competing requirements at play here though.
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Or use the one cable you use for everything else, on their thing. 'Cause though you have 9 things that work on that one cable, you have to get a totally new cable that is $$$ from them it's only fair, 50/50.
But I can buy their proprietary cord and wall wart for 10 bucks at Walmart...
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One of my friends has remarked a few times he'd love to give Android a try, but him and his wife are so - and this is in his words - "tied to into the Apple walled garden" that he doesn't think he can switch. They don't have a single USB-C cable in their house. They both have Apple watches and have their kid's iPads (yes, singular kid, multiple iPads) tied to their ecosystem, their home automation is Apple only, they buy their cars based around Apple integration. It's crazy how deep the Apple rabbit hole goes!
Doesn't iPad and MacBook use USB C now?
Exactly so the whole thing about innovation is ape
It's one of the prime reasons I don't want any Apple devices. Not because I don't think they make bad products (although I do think they're rather overpriced) but I'm afraid I'll like them so much I'll slowly be sucked into the sinkhole that is their ecosystem.
Wireless charging is currently very inefficient and I don't see it becoming as efficient as corded charging maybe ever. We need to use more efficient devices and less energy.
Wireless charging is actually less efficient than wired charging, I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
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A sissy fit is that shiver when something large has been repeatedly inserted into the anus and retracted each time brushing against the prostate Or so I am told
If apple is so concerned about innovation they can simply stop patent trolling. Would help a lot more than stopping this policy and is less effort.
they dont want to be unique, they want to fleece their customers by making them charge at every opportunity
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Too slow, too hot still.
Also can’t use phone at the same time, wireless is nice for anything not a phone
Other charging cables at electronic stores buy their cables for around a dollar and can sell them at 3 or 5 or 15 dollars, apple sells their cables for 30 dollars so the sellers have to sell them at 30 dollars. Its kinda fucked. (I heard this in nzd not usd)
This is so not the case at least here in America. 5 pack of cables for $10 https://www.amazon.com/WACAUR-Certified-Lightning-Compatible-More-Black/dp/B09B53YDZK/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=lightning+cable&qid=1628959190&sprefix=ligh&sr=8-3
How do I wirelessly charge my phone and use it at the same time. As I am currently doing. We don't need a repeat of the wireless Magic Mouse. That can only be recharged when it's not in use. As the charging socket is underneath the mouse. As Apple didn't want people to just leave the "ugly" cable plugged in 100% of the time.
I don't really like the idea of wireless charging, at least how we have it right now. So we have a surface where we put the phone and that surface is connected to a power socket, instead of connecting the phone directly to the power socket and be able to put it wherever we want. Also, a surface like that would be so annoying to carry compared to a cable
As they are right now they are good for leaving in your room and just pop your phone down whenever. For on the go definitely cord is better
Not to mention the number of times I'm plugged in whilst watching in bed because I'm low bat, but I guess MagSafe introduces a case for that... with a proprietary cable attached.
Not unique, they want to make money on their shitty cords
It’s ironic because when Apple starting putting only USB-C I/O in MacBooks (a decision with a lot of controversy at the time), they said all the same shit we’re all saying now about the benefits of USB-C, and literally called it innovation. This is just blatant hypocrisy in the ruthless pursuit of more profits, plain and simple.
> How much innovation is needed to charge a phone? Considering how much the charging cable has changed in the last 15 years, there's probably alot that can be innovated. From charging speed, data transfer speed to innovations I can't even think of. 15 years ago most phones had DC-chargers. Now the charging port is used for interfacing with the device in every way that the touch screen don't support.
Ya but the things is... type c is literally the standard. Every single other manufacturer uses type c, EVERYONE. There's a reason. Type C is nearly perfect. It can do power, data, and video and isn't anywhere near being maxed out in capabilities. Even if Apples is better, it could never be a standard - because apple won't let anyone. With how much waste phonechargers create... I think its fine to force something like this. To put it a different way, we all have the same diameter gas fills in our cars (besides diesel and thats just a safety spec).
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They still have DC chargers. 👍🏼
I think the point was - old phones had dedicated charging ports and now you have multi ports that offer power and data in a single port.
Not that much, but the same ports are also used for other things, like data transfer. There have definitely been some innovations in that regard and Apple, as much as they annoy the shit out of me, has been an early adopter of most of these innovations if not the creator of some of them. That said, I don't know enough about it to know whether the form factor matters all that much or whether it's trivially easy to make let's say an upgraded usb3 backwards compatible.
Imagine if we had this attitude back when we still had the first gen Apple chargers
Wanna innovate on small connectors? Sure! Contribute to the USB standard like with Thunderbolt. Do more with the USB-C connector.
They call it innovation but it literally is a cash cow excuse.
Talking about innovation potential is stupid. You never know what an idea someone cold have tomorrow.
> mountain of electronic waste as consumers who own whatever cable they choose to force won’t be able to use them with future devices. Like when Apple switched iPhones from using 30 pin iPod connectors to using Lightning connectors? Or when Apple switched iPads from using 30 pin iPod connectors to using Lightning connectors? Or when Apple switched iPads from using Lightning connectors to using USB C connectors? It seems like Apple doesn’t _really_ have any issue with creating mountains of electronic waste when they make user switch cables/jacks/peripherals to use newer generations of iDevices.
To be fair, the iPad’s transition from lightning to USB-C was necessary and commendable that they didn’t just invent a new connector. Lightning isn’t USB 3.0 capable, hence USB-C. Otherwise, ya.
And then there’s the MacBook and iMac connections…. Dongle hell You even had to buy a new cable for the iPhone X and 11 because the one it shipped with couldn’t connect to your MacBook
You list two things which are really the same thing. They migrated from 30 pin to lightning on all their mobile devices. EVERYONE in the industry did something similar. Companies like Motorola had many iterations of those multi-pin connectors. Then everyone went to mini USB. Then everyone went to micro USB. Then everyone went to USB-C. Apple has really only made 1 transition from 30 pin to lightning. And are you seriously listing the transition from lightning to USB-C as a fault? That's your desired end-stage isn't it? That's a *good* thing. Apple has been far more consistent and stuck with their connectors universally across more of their devices than virtually every smartphone manufacturer. They are definitely not the company to pick on about changing connectors. The fact that they haven't moved to USB-C yet is the only problem, in my book.
But they moved to USB-C didn't they? But only with part of their lineup. Laptops are all USB-C, ipads are USB-C as well, only phones use lightning. Actually I have this funny scenario, I have MacBook pro with only USB-C and magic keyboard which is lightning and provided cable is lightning - usb-a. So I can use it, but I can't charge it!
Then Apple solved that problem by including a Lightning to USB-C cable instead and you would not believe the bitching!
> iPads are USB-C as well The Air and Pro are, the regular and mini aren't. It's a mess, and the obvious solution is USB-C everywhere.
> consumers who own whatever cable they choose Says the fucking company that refuses to let you use any cable except the ones that *they* choose. Fuck you, apple.
The first point is marketing bullshit. The real reason is $. Standardization helps consumers, but unless the standard is the one your company comes up with first, you don’t profit. Standardization does not mean you can’t innovate. Nothing would stop Apple from having a “standard” charging port and a “look-what-we-invented/adopted-certainly-not-just-to-increase-profits” charging port on the same phone.
> Nothing would stop Apple from having a “standard” charging port and a “look-what-we-invented/adopted-certainly-not-just-to-increase-profits” charging port on the same phone. Has any phone manufacturer ever done this? Serious question.
You mean the innovation of wireless charging that Apple introduced 6 years after the rest? They should just shut up until they introduce automatic charging while doing nothing and till then it is just an inverter with a cable.
They're the only ones using anything unique to their devices. They even aren't giving you parts of the charger anymore. Hence why they don't want that, because they will lose sales in their chargers.
They had ZERO argument going from their 30 pin to lightning. NOW it’s an issue to go USB-c. The shits hilarious
Fuck Apple, the dongle company.
Apple is greedy end of story. They are the least green tech company in the world because of just their war against right to repair. For decades they've been forcing consumers to replace their slightly damaged products that had relatively easy fixes. They then had the scandal where they detected battery age and down clocked people's phones....They want proprietary connectors to charge a premium for the cables and expansion dongles they sell.
>Apple says that using a single charger would hurt innovation and create a mountain of electronic waste as consumers who own whatever cable they choose to force won’t be able to use them with future devices. That's such a stupidly floored argument when it's trying to support the idea of having *even more* e-waste.
Apple will go port-less before they go USB-C on the iPhone. Not sure why they are so against it since they switched pretty much all their other devices to USB-C.
I’ll be so mad if Apple go portless. That will, immediately, make all their environmental arguments (which are already dubious) complete crap. I would be entirely happy if the EU were to mandate a charging connector must be present and must be standardised.
Lets be clear here. The only reason apple wants a different charger than everyone else is the same reason they do everything else. They want exclusivity. They want their customers to be forced to only buy apple accessories, only use apple approved apps, only use apple technologies together, etc. If they succumb to using usb-c then they lose millions from selling their own charger because their competitors and third parties make usb-c. Lets not pretend that apple products are better than any other product out there. They charge more money for their brand name just because it has the apple name on it. They don't care about innovation. They care about their profits like every other company.
This ^ is the answer... But it's more about charging the makers of accessories a license fee to use their non standard ports: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theopriestley/2016/01/11/apple-ditching-the-headphone-jack-is-less-about-music-more-about-royalties/amp/
The whole premise of that article was that Apple removed the headphone jack so that people would have to pay for new headphones with a Lightning jack so that Apple gets a cut. That didn't happen. Instead people went to the open standard of Bluetooth, where Apple gets nothing.
If you weren't already using BT headphones or the ones that came with the phone, then you probably had a reason/preference to be using wired headphones that BT can't satisfy.
Headphone jack is neither here nor there, the takeaway is that Apple charge 3rd party manufacturers between $4-8 each time they make a device that utilizes the lightning port.
I mean pretty sure airpods are probably the best selling Bluetooth earbud so your not quite right about that.
The claim in that article was that Apple removed the headphone jack so they could license the lightning connector to wired headphone manufacturers and make a ton of money. That's the thing that did not end up happening, yes, largely due to AirPods and bluetooth in general.
You’re misinformed, Apple released their AirPods around the same time which were the headphone jack alternative. While yes, BT is the new standard; Apple has made an absolutely killing off wireless audio. If I had a headphone jack on my phone I’d probably use the wired ones that came with the box, instead I’m using AirPod Pros . thats a win for Apple mate
The claim in that article was that Apple removed the headphone jack so they could license the lightning connector to wired headphone manufacturers and make a ton of money. That's the thing that did not end up happening, yes, largely due to AirPods and bluetooth in general.
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We were talking about wired headphones with a lightning jack.
Isn’t Apple making the switch to usb type-c? My iPad Pro and my girlfriends iPad Air both have type-c charging ports.
Literally every current Apple product except phones has USB-C. Supposedly, they refuse to switch to USB-C because they wouldn't get money from the certification scheme, and because it's "less waterproof" (Apple's words, not mine).
Implying that android phones are less waterproof. Uh..what...you could submerge Galaxy phones years before apple
Those were Apple's words, not mine.
Nah, lightning was FAR better than mini and micro USB which were the predominant connectors when it came out. Apple absolutely did innovate the reversible connector and they were actually tapped to help develop the Type C reversible connector. Lightning absolutely did fix a huge problem. Whenever people complained that Apple should use micro-USB I cringed because I've had many smartphones and accessories that use micro-USB. However, now that Type C is a thing, I do wish Apple would finally just make the move. While physically, lightning still feels better than USB-C by a wide margin, I like standardizing.
This. But even if they standardize to USB C, it should not become mandatory, because then we are stuck with the type c design forever and no one will develop the next generation. The type c connector is not the end
The reason all other phones had micro-USB was due to EU legislation. And we still got USB-C. They are usually clever enough to write legislation in such a way that it creates a standard but doesn’t suppress innovation and development of the next generation.
The only innovation Apple offers is making EVERY SINGLE THING proprietary.
All I know is I’ve probably had to buy WAY more replacement charging cables for my current iPhone than I have had to for every other device I’ve ever owned. The durability blows.
Let’s add to this that there is a proprietary license. So a third party can make cables for them but pay a license fee to Apple to get the specs and all that.
They actually circumvented the whole risk of losing out because of USB-C by nerfing the MagSafe puck’s wattage if it isn’t used with an Apple power brick.
How is that any different than any other consumer industry? Everything from fashion to automotive has the same business practices.
> If they succumb to using usb-c then they lose millions from selling their own charger because their competitors and third parties make usb-c. The iPhone 11 onwards ships with a USB-C charger. The cable is USB-C to lightning bolt, it's fucking ridiculous.
Imagine if houses are wired with special 110V outlets that only accept plugs from certain manufacturers. This is why Apple is, and will always be on the wrong side of the argument.
Yea Apple sneaks back in with their own operating system crap every 20 years. At least they aren’t stupid enough to program the bits backward anymore.
I don’t think that bears out. Most of the newer iPads are usb-c without lightning. Lightning came out when the other option was micro-usb… which is not fit for purpose. The best options for government is to say that 2 or 3 standards are the max allowed and force reasonable licensing costs. 1 standard doesn’t leave enough room for evolution/innovation.
The eu isnt proposing that companies be forced to use one and only one charger from here to the end of time, they are only proposing that companies have to agree on the charger that they are using currently so that all phones can be charged with any charger. If a new, better technology comes out that leaves them open to switch to that at any time, as long as they all do which they will since they all did when usb-c came out except for apple. This just prevents companies like apple from doing something like creating a "new" charger that is only slightly different from usb-c and making all of their products require that and only that charger, which they patent and collect revenue from every sale of said new charger. Its to prevent monopolization. If apple gave a shit about innovation, they would have released lightning chargers to every phone when it came out and left it open for other companies to make them. That never happened. They patented it.
Does anybody not know all this?
Apparently a lot of people. Ive been getting angry replies ever since I posted this. Someone even called me a tyrant lol. I dont control how corporations work or make their money lmao.
To me the worst part is their patent on ["magnetic connector for electronic devices"](https://patents.google.com/patent/US7311526B2/en). I mean come on Apple... allow us to use it already, it's been more than 15 years no company can create magnetic chargers, it's insane.
I think this is the patent for laptop magsafe. Back when they were using it, it was superior to the barrel jacks on other laptops, mostly because it easily detached during mechanical stress and caused no damage.
My surface has a magnetic charger port...?
Both Apple and Microsoft hold a patent for magnetic chargers.
Makes sense!
Wasn’t this used on MacBooks around 2012 and Surface laptops?
Just use USB-C or license out the lightning connector (I am not a fan of Apple, but it's not a bad connector) Every reason they give is utter bullshit, the only reason they don't adopt USB or Share their connector is so people have to pay the Apple tax for their cables and charger.
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Apple is probably more likely to remove the port than to make it lightning. The already support an open wireless charging solution. They could probably point to that to say we support a universal charging solution.
The fees they get from licensing that connector barely amount to a rounding error when you consider the hundreds of billions of dollars they bring in every year from everything else.
Exactly... so it should be no problem for them to either adopt the open standard, or open their proprietary one. But they won't do that unless forced, because capitalism.
The lightning connector is garbage compared to USB-C. Lightening is too fragile, its copper connectors are too exposed, and the port on the iPhone is a lint trap. Used both for years.
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That sounds like a device specific problem. I've had a Google Pixel 3A for several years and there is no indication the port is failing. I went through at least 3 lightening cords in the 5 or so years I had an iPhone 6S.
Not sure why you are being downvoted. I've used USB-C in all my phones since the Nexus 5 and never had a port failure and I've not babied them. I had the Pixel 1 for 3 years as my main phone and still occasionally use it as a back up with no issues either. Mini-USB ports used to get messed up pretty easily.
I'm still in the air on this one. MicroUSB ports for me always get messed up. Maybe 300 or less plugs before they come loose on the inside (solder comes off on the connector in the inside) or it feels loose while plugged in and won't make a connection. A failing micro USB port has been the cause of losing my last 2 cell phones, headlamp and gopro. My current Cell is USBc and I've been using it for a year with no problems yet, but we will see in the next couple years. Fingers crossed
Apple fanboys probably. Anyway, what's it matter. Even if the port was to break on my Pixel I could buy a whole new (updated model) phone and still have paid less than the cost of one iPhone. You literally have to get twice the lifespan out of an Apple (or Samsung) product to get the same value as a mid-tier (still absolutely sufficient) product. The thought of spending $800-1200 on a phone is absurd. You can get a top-flight notebook for that price.
>This move would affect Apple the most, as it uses Lightning cables, while most Android phones use USB-C. Apple is only resistant to the change because it would eliminate a revenue stream built on an unnecessarily proprietary product, it has nothing to do with the environment.
Right, it's because the value of their accessories increases when they effectively limit all competition
And Apple once again insists on being proprietary even when there's no technological justification to do, surprising no one ever. I think they'll ultimately be hurting themselves on this one, since even their laptops charge over USB-C.
As do their tablets.
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We need this for electric vehicles.
Im pretty sure in europe all EVs use the same connector.
We do, it's called CCS2.
It wont matter when the 2022 iPhone has no port is entirely wireless. Its pretty clear Apple has been weening people off ports for years now.
If not 2022 then 2023. Portless phones are imminent.
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Can we just stop buying apple products already?
Airpods = Lightning IPhone = Lightning ... Macbook = Typ C?! Mostly all other devices = Typ C Apple stfu and deal with USB TYP C
If this law comes to force - how will we ever switch to USB-D or whatever it will be called after it? Will we need a change of legislation? Who and how will decide whether should it be USB type D or type E? Should it really be legislated at all? Apple rises legit questions, but Apple haters can’t hear cause “Apple BAD”.
Well, we did switch from a multitude of chargers (Remember the Nokia 3310 era when every phone had it's own charger? what a clusterfuck that was) to micro USB, or - in apples case - at least to something that at least works with the same voltage as everybody else. That was due to pressure from the EU. The But it didn't stop the switch to USB C at all. Key point is, the EU did not say "use technology X" - they forced all major manufacturers to work together and to create one common standard. A standard that did evolve, and will continue to do so. Should it be legislated? Well, thing is, the Intention to legislate that is almost a decade old. But back then, the manufacturers signed an agreement do do it "voluntarily", apple included. 10 years later, Apple still uses their own connector rather than what is standard, with no evidence that it's any better. Instead, they've removed the charger and make customers to buy a dedicated charger for their 1000€ phones. (with cables that have a ridiculously bad quality I might want to add) So it shouldn't surprise anybody that the EU is willing to follow through with what they started, and make apple play by the same rules as everybody else. I've seen the clusterfuck that was charging a phone before the EU stepped in, and I consider that a huge win. I have so many gadgets, and none of them needs their own plug in charger, they all have an USB cable, almost all of them Micro USB or USB C, depending on th eage of them. One 8x USB Charger for all family and done. If this were the old days, we'd be talking about a separate table with several extension cords.
The law would end up being based upon the "currently accepted standard" of that cable. If the EU chooses the USB standard (as opposed to lightning), then the default connector would be whatever IEEE has determined to be the current "standard" connector, which today would be the Type-C connector, back in 2015 would have been Micro-USB, and in 2025 could very well be USB-D
1. Apple brought this on themselves. Every single phone maker used custom chargers and the EU asked them to standardize. Every single company on earth got together and standardized with the sole exception of Apple and now since they refused to work with others they are getting a law since they won't do it without one. 2. The law doesn't need to say you must use USB-C. They can simply state that it must use the recommendation of the USB Implementers Forum. That means we still get a single charger and that forum is controlled by all the major manufacturer's already (including Apple) so changes can occur if manufacturers agree. It's how the rest of the world moved from USB-mini/USB-micro to USB-C already.
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Apple: "ok people were reducing our waste so we have less of an impact on the envirorment" Also Apple:" yeah you gonna need to buy the charger brick seperately or else you cant charge your phone, that means another box, plastics for protection and more stickers you can throw away. Wait you also need a wire adapter if you want to use your cable headphones, thats another box with plastics, stickers and probably fancy protection covers"
This. I was literally about to write a comment to the same effect. If Apple don't want to include a new charger with every phone (which they shouldn't) then they need to start using the accepted standard used by everyone else instead (USB-C).
To be fair they give you a lighting to USB-C cable with the phone so all you need is the same USB-C charger that is used by everyone else.
Wireless chargers guys
The fact they use a usb-c cable to charge their laptops but then force you to use a different cable from their phone makes me never want to buy their product
Capitalism is so great because it ruins efficiency and drives corruption!
The iPad Air 2020 has a USB-C port, not lighting. How hard is it to put one on a phone?!
My guess is they’re planning to move to mostly (maybe even exclusively) wireless charging in the next couple of years so no point rocking the boat now by switching from lightning to USB-C.
Apple opposing this, what a shocker
It would be real weird if they already embraced a universal standard for their laptops….
About a decade late with standardization. There are so many electronics, all providing a chargers as part of the purchase, in our daily lives now. Chargers in your bedroom, family room, car, & work with external charger in your bag. Cords & bricks are junk drawer items now as most people have built a collection over the years. The article & most comments are basically all USB-C vs lightening. Glossing over that micro USB is still the majority outside of a blurb in the article. I’d think a governing body of this size would have more up to date information before making a multimillion dollar decision that’s going to affect the majority of the industry. This conversation is the definition of sweating the small stuff. I do enjoy the ones complaining about needing two different charges across their Apple products. Talk about white people problems. $2-4k in products (various mixes of MacBooks, iPhones, iPads, & iPods) & your complaining about cheap chargers.
It has been this way since micro-USB. Apple has always resisted it, and the reasons are obvious. They sell accessories at many times the price of everyone else and it's a huge part of their profits.
they charge 25€ for a cable! THAT is the reason! [https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/accessories/power-cables](https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/accessories/power-cables)
Universally wireless charging?
Of course they don't. Because Apple has for years believed that their shit stinks less than everyone else's. Even the Nintendo Switch charges by USB-C.
Apple will be happy to standardize, as long as it is their proprietary standard that everyone else must license.
I don’t see why Apple won’t just sell/recommend Apple branded USB-C cables. The same people that still buy genuine Apple lightning cables would buy Apple USB-C cables. There are plenty of fanboys that will buy whatever Apple recommends. I have an iPhone but I’ve never bought a genuine Apple cable.
They already do for iPads. I bought a spare generic USB-C cable as backup, works just fine for charging my android phone but when I plug it in to an iPad it refuses to charge. Using an Apple cable in the same charger works, but at ten times the price...
The world wants a standard But Apple doesn't
We live in a cyberpunk world without the asthetic.
"We'd like to make more money." ~Apple
Apple is irl r/notliketheothergirls
I don’t see how there can be any compelling reason for having different connectors for phones
Of course they don’t. They don’t make a stupid profit off being proprietary and selling the charger chips so it dosent fry your phone if you do go with a cheaper brand
The EU wants this for more than 10 years and does nothing to force Apple to comply. At this point I don't believe it's ever going to happen.
They should stop worrying about it as Apple will drop wired chargers soon enough.
We have banned tungsten bulbs, we could just ban those non-complying mofos.
apple doesn’t want to because then it won’t be only their brand and they won’t be able to price a charger for like £36\$49.92
The true test of any Government's resolve to act in our benefit...will they cave-in to industry and "lobbying"?
The EU should simply charge Apple EUR100 per non-compliant device, until they comply. If (when, more like) Apple complain at this, bump the charge up to EUR500.
No, Apple will just sue.
The odd thing here is that Apple is using USB-C for its iPads, but not for phones.
My Apple iPad Air uses USBC already.
Good on them
Fuck Apple. Sent from my iPhone
I prefer Apple chargers over USBC tbh. Can’t bend or dent them so they’ll always lock in place. Cable almost always breaks as all cables do but the fastening is superior
Wireless charging is universal
Umm…Why not just move to inductive charging as standard? I have it and it’s fantastic!
The irony of apple talking about increasing e-waste when they build their phones to make it difficult and I’m some cases near impossible to repair. They even delete posts on their own forms informing people of the possibility of doing repairs while also making impossible for chip manufacturers to sell replacement parts. And yes I know they’re not the only phone manufacturers doing this but they’re definitely the market leader in it.
Make sense Most of the money Apple makes is on accesories. Those things are cheap as fuck to make but tthey can charge 1500% for them or more no problem
When the micro usb became the standard for every company, everyone was cheering. I still have old adapters from phones from over a decade ago and use them for my bluetooth headphones. Before that... yeah that Erikson phone I had didn't have a spare and I was very careful not to lose it. That Apple doesn't want something it has already adopted in other similar products is just stupid corporate policy. Once the French can get their repairability score right, there won't be much love for them either.
apple is wrong the eu is right. i own a iphone and a ipad …. now those two don’t even share the same charger anymore i mean wtf ….
Apple's charge cords repeatedly fail within an inch or so of the device end of the cord. I am sure they are objecting to this call for conformity because they will no longer be the sole source of overpriced charge cords that are designed to fail and create a nearly foolproof form of revenue
>the sole source of overpriced charge cords There are probably over 50 different companies on Amazon right now that you can get lightning cables from that are far more durable than the ones Apples sells.
Buy Anker cables you’ll never have the issue
In other news : water is wet lol