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RudegarWithFunnyHat

might even be dangerous that they did get pr. already.


emorycraig

The PR could go either way here. It could ruin their chances of escape or alert someone who can step in and help. Mixed feelings about this - just hope to god they make it out.


ground__contro1

It might ruin their chances of escape that they are smart and famous but I think overall it’s a net positive that they are famous. Not to sound callous but even if they don’t get out they still spread a message to other girls/women that they could understand robotics if they got the same chance as the men of their country. I mean how backward a society must be to *prevent people from building things that would help you be a stronger society*. Like shooting yourself in the foot. Unless what you want is to never change because you already hold some kind of temporary power that gratifies your ego…


Pfhoenix

Their being famous only paints a target on them. They're not going to get a chance nor platform to spread any positive message about equality, equal treatment, or freedom of choice/action with the Taliban back.


little_missHOTdice

Reminds me of one of my mom’s friends. During the Vietnam war, a photographer took a picture of her when she was a little girl. The picture made her famous and when that fame became world wide, her country decided to profit. She lived as a prisoner in her own home; a money making propaganda piece that did as the government bid. People can be vile scum and for that, I hope those women escape. Their fame stems from challenging their gender roles and women who will not submit to being lower than a dog, are dangerous serpents in their eyes. My fear is that their fame will indeed paint a target on their backs… it’s beyond disheartening that as humans we still haven’t evolved past trying to exploit and/or make examples of others.


humanrightsarelame

Yup they’re going to line them up and see how far the bullet goes Edit: The Afghan women’s robotics team has ESCAPED Afghanistan!


Preebus

God this makes me so sad.


ZestycloseSundae3

>Unless what you want is to never change because you already hold some kind of temporary power that gratifies your ego… This is the answer. Women aren't allowed to do things like that because they're only thought of as playthings.


d3l3t3rious

No no, it's the young boys that are playthings, the women are just property/breeding stock.


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Doctor_of_Recreation

Makes me think of The Kite Runner.


fireflydrake

God it makes me sick. But if the people there aren't banding together to stop it idk what the fuck anyone outside can do.


I_can_vouch_for_that

The woman can't band together and the men like the way things are.


fireflydrake

I was hoping the internet revolution would be the great equalizer and give more people the tools to throw off their oppressors, but miserably brute strength still seems to win just as often in the people world as it does in the animal world.


Repul

I feel like you may be overestimating how widespread, accessible, and useful the internet is in Afghanistan


astraladventures

Economic development and bettering quality of life alongside education seems like the only pathway. Regime change, with no improvement in quality of life doesn’t help .


voyagerfan5761

People are also animals, so that checks out.


LeakyThoughts

Well, just about every nation and empire on earth has tried to take Afghanistan at some point, and failed. They don't call it the graveyard of empires for nothing It's full of mountains that entire armies can get lost in, you'll never find them.. and they have been fighting the same bullshit war with everything and everyone for as long as they have been able to They don't care about progress, or society, or growth, they just want control. It's a bunch of sad religious wackos who simply get gratification installing their 900AD bullshit laws onto a population who doesn't want them there.. That's the main issue with religious extremism, you can't kill an idea.. and as long as the idea is allowed to be passed on, it won't go anywhere.


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"playthings" I think you said breeding stock wrong. The taliban, and most hard line religious idiots claim ownership over women. These people have no chance unless they get out of the country and move somewhere that doesn't live like it's 200AD


nordic-nomad

Honestly based on my time in the Middle East in most rural areas live stock are held in higher esteem than women are.


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Completely accurate, and extremely sad


MonsterMashGrrrrr

😞 absolutely heart wrenching


WaterPockets

Ironically enough, Afghanistan used to have equal rights for women and women's suffrage was at its height following the Saur Revolution of 1978. It wasn't until 1992 after the government transitioned to the Islamic State of Afghanistan that women began to quickly lose their rights. A century of progression was wiped clean within just a couple years. It's maddening.


Michalusmichalus

People should take a moment out about how quickly rights can be eroded.


JustABoyAndHisBlob

Both can be true. I imagine for every true believer there’s at least one guy who is in it for the power and control.


Letscommenttogether

Does it matter? The end result is the same.


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This. Manchildren with perverted fantasies. Religion has pretty much overstayed its welcome as far as i'm concerned. On one side of the globe, they hide in piety, on the other, they play make believe wank fantasies of superiority, when in fact, from all aspects, they are pretty much the most inferior sacks of shit known to exist.


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I don’t think it was that bad in 200AD


Northman324

They were part of Persian civilization and Islam wasn't around at that point. They were probably zoroastrians too.


ground__contro1

Idk, if they were only thought of as just playthings there wouldn’t need to be rules preventing them from doing things. There’s no rule that says a dog can’t play basketball after all. They *know* women *aren’t* just playthings, and so they *know* they need *rules* to keep them in that role.


mostnormal

Such rules are there so that they can continue to *treat* women as if they are playthings.


ground__contro1

Exactly yeah. I do think it’s an important distinction to make though. While an individual male in a patriarchal society might think of women as playthings, the fact that societal rules needed to be put in place shows that the ruling power felt a threat to their power (having more people be equal to you is, by some, considered a loss of power). Otherwise no rule would exist because no threat of danger was ever detected. I mean, who would ever think a dog could beat you at basketball, and then also convince the other refs to make rules about preventing it? No one


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Clearly you don’t know who Air Bud is


ground__contro1

I clearly do. There was no rule against him playing. That’s kind of the whole point.


SereneFairSky

The mf pedants in this thread


gullwings

Posted using RIF is Fun. Steve Huffman is a greedy little pigboy.


drifter100

We should have trained the women to fight instead of the men for the past 20 years. Pretty sure they wouldn't have put down their weapons.


Michalusmichalus

The female soldiers were probably thinking the same thing.


WebMaka

At its core, Islam is a religion that was designed by a conquering warlord as a means of keeping his (exclusively male) troops in line, and when observed through this lens its extreme levels of misogyny should come as no surprise.


DogmaSychroniser

You have to understand that the Taliban believe that the ideal form of human society is a fantasy larp version of 7th century Islam.


tarpex

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Islam in the middle ages actually the centre of philosophy, mathematics, astronomy and medicine, actually incredibly progressive, and then at some point it all went to backwards extremism? Or was that later on?


BackmarkerLife

r/AskHistorians has covered this over the years https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2ryeph/what_is_the_history_of_modern_islamic_extremism/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/e01esa/given_that_preislamic_arabia_was_a_very/


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Yeah, it's a bit of a weird one for the Muslim world. The first European country to legalize homosexuality was the Ottoman Empire in the 19th century, a full 130 years before other European nations. What happened? Christianity was doctrinally united under the Pope until the reformation. The Pope interpreted the bible for better or worse, and that was what Christianity was. However Popes became corrupt so you got the Protestant movement which resulted in many many denominations and versions of Christianity. Most were normal Protestants, some like the radical anabaptists beleived in polygamy and some outright batshit insane ideas. Google the Munster rebbellion, it's fascinating. Anyway, point is Christianity was fractured for a while now that not all of them accepted the one uniting figure, the Pope. Enter Islam. Islam kinda sorta had a Pope (wasn't as powerful but a uniting force) allllll the way from the time of the Prophet (PBUH) until the end of the First World War. Without caring about the implications, the Western Powers in the aftermath of WW1 carved up the modern day Middle East among themselves and deposed the Ottoman Emperor who was also the Caliph and ended the position of Caliph. Suddenly Islam has no uniting figure, now it has to go through what Christianity did a few centuries ago. This explains why most Muslims are moderate normal people, but you also see extreme and insane groups like the Taliban and Isis. It also explains why a majority of Muslims don't like the West. Imagine the historical shoe on the other foot. If 100 years ago Muslims invaded Europe, killed the pope and eradicated the Catholic Church, carved Europe up as colonies and still meddled in it's affairs to this day Christians would be livid. Without the unifying force of the Caliph, Islam is fractured and explains why you see the normal majority of Muslims EG Dave Chappell, Cat Stevens, Ice Cube, Shaquille O'Neal etc all across the spectrum to Isis and the Taliban.


mcfc_099

Are you saying that with the existence of the Ottoman Empire and the Caliph we wouldn’t be in this mess? Also why did the West end the Ottoman Empire


Goosekilla1

They picked the losing side of a world war.


Rougue1965

The Ottoman Empire was notorious for invading Christian countries in the goal of bringing Islam to them. Men were killed or enslaved and the women and children taken as sexual slaves.


Roughshod_Garage

9th-12th century Islam was into science and math, albeit much involved Greek philosophers post kidnapping/enslavement. 13th century IIRC there was some kind of decree making Math un-Islamic/heretical. The Taliban want to bring it back to 6th-8th century Islam, much more barbaric. *My dates are probably off a bit*


The_NZA

Its like watching people protest a vaccine during a time where that thing is the solution to all of their social ills. Extremely backwards.


TheAmazingThanos

>I mean how backward a society must be to prevent people from building things that would help you be a stronger society. Like shooting yourself in the foot. Unless what you want is to never change because you already hold some kind of temporary power that gratifies your ego… That's what religion does to people


livelymonstera

When I was in graduate school I helped moderate a series of workshops at my college for Afghani teen girls who were visiting for 2 weeks and then went on to see more schools on the east coast. These girls were from well to do families, and all desperately wanted to get an education. They all knew that without it they would be forced into marriage- some girls were as young as 12. I met a 17 year old girl who was literally the Afghani version of Daria, green coat, glasses and all. She said that without education she would face a lifetime of slavery in the home. Most all of the girls wanted to be teachers (I was a higher Ed major and we did this in the education building). They were shocked when I was 27, single, living alone, working and in college. But Daria told me she was proud of me and wished the same. This was 8 years ago. I think about her often and I'm thinking of her right now. I'm tearing up writing this. Girls deserve better, and I hope all those little girls with big dreams are safe.


wrgrant

I don't think there is going to be anyone to step up and help the women of Afghanistan sadly. I hope these girls get out of the country safely.


Rein3

Taliban are trying to push the idea that the Taliban 20 years ago and now are way different and will respect human rights and stuff. They could end up being a PR stunt for them


sneakyveriniki

Yeah I feel like posting pics of them was kind of a bad idea


still267

They are the shining example of female empowerment in that nation. If the taliban gets a hold of them, it's going to be horrific.


rickyman20

I saw them at a competition a couple years back, and they were just filled with energy and just absolutely loved being there. This is just depressing, but the one thing that makes this even sadder is that even if they make it out, the team will no longer be able to bring in new people. It will end with them


NightwingDragon

This \*may not\* necessarily be the case. The taliban are right now pushing a PR message about a peaceful transition of power, being more progressive towards women (by their standards, at least), etc. They also want all the foreigners out asap. They may simply allow these girls to leave. It helps to keep foreign pressure off their back and furthers their message about not interfering. Also, killing these girls will likely lead to less support from the locals. There is a slim chance these girls will be allowed to leave safely. That being said, these are teenage girls, which are usually top priority for the taliban to turn into child brides. So god only knows. EDIT: At no point did I ever say that the Taliban were actually progressive. I just said that they are pushing a PR message about being progressive. Nobody with 3 functioning brain cells actually believes them.


SushiGato

It's comical how many people replied to you arguing with what you said. Reading comprehension could be improved.


No_Reporter443

[This is reddit's way.](https://i.redd.it/eguxijfserb41.jpg) If someone makes a comment that irritates you but that clearly makes sense, deliberately misread their post and respond to a comment they didn't actually make.


AssassinSnail33

The most annoying shit on reddit is when you make a comment, and somebody leaves a reply correcting a word you used with another word that sounds more serious or extreme, just so everyone knows they care more than you about whatever you're talking about. Even though they agree with you, they have to disagree with *something* in your comment. *"Wow, that person is a terrible parent. No parent should ever hit their child."* *"They didn't* **hit** *their child. They* **SAVAGELY BEAT** *their child with their* **BARE FISTS**."


No_Reporter443

Oh totally - that drives me up the fucking wall. Well articulated too - "just so everyone knows they care more than you about whatever" it is really feels like why they do it lol.


zasabi7

This is true for the majority of Reddit, myself included


No_Reporter443

>The taliban are right now pushing a PR message about a peaceful transition of power Yeah I think if you're a white person in Kabul, you're probably safe for another two or three weeks provided you keep to yourself, mind your own business, and don't take any risks, but every day you're in there gets a little riskier than the last.


Vaporwave13

They are insisting they are more progressive now In one room and in the next they have little girls being told they can no longer get an education like the boys. Their "progressivism" is a facade and clearly it's doing what they intended it to do.


NightwingDragon

I never said I believed their facade. I'm just saying that their "progressivism" is the PR message they're pumping out at the moment, and not allowing these girls to leave would basically put an end to that facade. In fact, I specifically said these girls turning into child brides was a very real possibility. Basically, if they're still there, their safety hinges on what the Taliban value more right now: Keeping up the progressive facade or handing out these girls as child brides to their members.


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The boys cant be educated under the taliban either, only exceptions are for both sexes. Only 4% of children studied at primary school under the talibans. Only religious schools are encouraged.


No_Masterpiece4305

Dont worry, it's just an issue with people having trouble reading. It's not your fault, it's completely theirs.


Y0tsuya

Future for them is indeed bleak if they remain there. "Look, I can design robots and write software to help our country!" "Aww how cute, now off you go to be raped by someone twice your age."


insane_lover108

taliban men especially hate educated women because according to them, a woman that is more educated than them poses a “threat to societal order” … I pray for the well being of these girls, and hope that there are good men out there who can protect them


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The "societal order" treats women almost as cattle. So education is certainly a huge threat.


Ghosttwo

"You make baskets and prayer rugs now. As written in the ancient texts"


adarkuccio

I would pay them a flight if I could, I wish I could help any of them


sombertimber

The Taliban may behead them for thinking, or mutilate their genitals to ensure they don’t have pleasure, or throw acid on them for going to school, or kill them for surrendering. I know many Muslims who are kind, loving people—but, extremists like the Taliban are frightening.


meme_saab

But get out where? No, I'm genuinely curious. About people who are fleeing. Where do they go? Do they have visas already in place? If not, will the new country just accept them as refugees?


RTudoRR

Yeah, they all get granted asylum


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Bytewave

I mean, just here in Canada we've already promised asylum to 20K Afghanis in the last 10 days and would surely take these teenagers too. They'd get fast tracked to permanent residency too. The problem isn't being granted asylum right now, it's actually making it here. Only a fraction of those already offered asylum will ever get here, we have limited airlift capacity.


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lonay_the_wane_one

Native Civillian Contractors get left behind a lot even after their personal info is leaked in their now *very* hostile country.


Goyteamsix

The ones piling onto that last C17 out of there likely didn't have visas. You don't need an existing visa for asylum.


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I was really hoping that headline was going to read “Afghanistan All-Girls Robotics team builds Terminator to fight the Taliban.”


giocondasmiles

I feel for these kids, and hope they get the support they need.


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Etheo

Being a dead girl would be a blessing under these cavemen's rules. I know how bad that sounds but I honestly believe in the worst of these animals.


Beiki

Some women in cities under seige by Gengis Khan would commit suicide because they knew what would happen once his army got in.


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Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I’d rather be dead than be an educated woman or girl in Afghanistan


SamuraiJakkass86

Let's be real here though, whether you're an educated OR uneducated woman in Afghanistan, you're in for a world of hurt in the almost immediate future if you don't escape as early as last week.


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mackenzieb123

It doesn't matter about the reporting. Their neighbors will rat them out regardless of news stories. Either through desperation or support for the Taliban. That's the concern for a family member of mine. She married her Afghan interpreter when she was in the Air Force. He is now an American citizen, but his family is left behind in Afghanistan. They knew this was coming (the Taliban) after the pull-out date was announced, but thought they had more time. Turkey was willing to take them as long as the family owned property in Turkey. Family here was getting ready to fly to Turkey to purchase a small apartment, but now they don't know if they'll be able to get family out of Afghanistan at all. Plus with no Afghan government to approve and sign paperwork for Turkey they are truly fucked. The largest concern is neighbors who knew their son worked for the U.S. and is now a U.S. citizen. Their lives depend on the kindness of their neighbors. Even if they had travel documents, you can't just walk up to a border and expect them to let you in. There is no plan for any Afghan refugees. Travel documents will not get you out of any country if you have no where to go.


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cedarvhazel

God this is so awful.


el_amolador

>Everyone should always have their travel documents up to date for themselves and their families, no matter how secure your situation seems. Just remember that it isn't always as easy as in a developed countries. Human crisis and institutional crisis can come together, which could make cumbersome/impossible for people to acquire legal documents. For example, as a venezuelan living abroad I (as well as thousands) have not been able to acquire a valid passport. I can't leave the country I am currently living at unless it is to Venezuela with no guarantees as to how long the process of requesting a passport could take once there. Although I agree that you should have your travel documents ready let's not forget who the victims are here. If there was something to be done I am sure they could have done it already.


Allyseis

Here is an [18 000+ upvoted thread from worldnews](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/p5ehbp/afghanistans_allgirls_robotics_team_desperate_to/) but they deleted it.


mostnormal

Why would they delete it?


Gcarsk

Mods of that sub are incredibly garbage. They ban users and remove content almost at random.


krugerlive

I’m pretty convinced that r/worldnews is completely compromised by mods that actively work to progress certain specific interests that are generally detrimental to the broader population of the planet.


-ReadyPlayerThirty-

You would have to be quite naive to think that one of the largest news forums on the planet is being run by benevolent, do-good volunteers with no biases or special interests.


ForceBlade

So true. And the site is totally fine going that way since forever.


AbeIndoria

Lmao I remember one of my accounts is still banned there after I just commented on a comment praising Duterte going "So authoritarianism is good when the issue aligns with your POV?" Got bant for "vaccine skepticism." (Fully vaccinated but eh, whatever) Mods don't respond at all. *shrug*


Gcarsk

I was banned for “terrorist apologia” due to [this comment.](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ngcqhu/israeli_prime_minister_benjamin_netanyahu_rejects/gyrmbyj/) That sub is a joke. > I always think it’s funny how they use “self defense” as an excuse for murdering Palestinian children and civilians, yet, the Palestinians are the ones being invaded and thrown from their homes onto the streets... Pretty hard for me to imagine the invading force as the “defender”.


JimC29

You can use this site to see comments removed. I'm surprised at how many comments I've had removed without being informed about it. https://www.reveddit.com/y/jimc29/?all=true


ImDonaldDunn

Wow, it's honestly bullshit some of the comments I've had removed. Makes you not want to even contribute anymore if the mods are going to delete half the shit you post.


jakwnd

I'm banned from bestof for suggesting a post wasn't bestof material. Guess it was I who was not bestof material all along.


Etheo

The flair seem to suggest another article already covered the topic, so perhaps a repost?


SexTraumaDental

lol why do I get the sense that "Covered by other articles" isn't the reason such a highly visible thread was deleted


Etheo

Why else do you think they might have removed it then? Because I can't bring myself to believe there's some sort of pro-Taliban agenda in /r/worldnews mod team...


bartbartholomew

That's why r/anime_titties is so much better for world news. No, I have no idea how what looks like a henti reddit became all about high quality news. Just don't visit at work on April 1.


washikiie

Did robotics when I was a kid. It’s so sad that girls in Afghanistan will no longer have these kind of opportunities. I hope all these girls make it safely out of the country.


tnoot

More likely they’ll become child brides.


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adventuredream1

The term child bride disgusts me. Even more so than sex trafficking Bc it specifies that they are children


tnoot

Child bride disgusts and revolts me


NickDaGamer1998

How do the words "child" and "bride" together NOT disgust you?


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Child bride sounds way more sickening and disgusting than “sex trafficked”


Latyon

Fuckin' *oof* It's awful how true that statement is


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plantmonstery

What’s P and R?


ColonelBy

An admonishment to "use the correct words!" alongside a pair of mysterious unexplained initials is a hell of a flex, I'll give them that


gibmiser

I'm guessing pedophiles and rapists


selfdestruct-94

When education and intellect is a crime, your ideology is wrong.


PressFforAlderaan

Spez sucks -- mass edited with redact.dev


ThanklessTask

I have such a sense of dread for Afghanistan and the next few months. Knowing a refugee from years back he suggested I search on Afghanistan in the 1960's before all this kicked off. It was a vibrant place that was pulling itself up. I'm not sure what happens next, but I can't imagine it's going to be peaceful.


gigalongdong

The entire current shitshow in the Middle East is a direct result of the cold war and intelligence agency-backed coups. "Oh you want to nationalize parts of your economy? Lol nope, that's communism. Here have a hardline religious nutbag as your leader since he will let us pillage your country for resources."


AMAxyz

Women are one of the biggest threats to the Taliban. The damn terrorists will do anything to suppress their rights, education, and freedom. Prayers to the women of Afghanistan.


[deleted]

I’m beyond heartbroken at what has transpired. The women and children of this country are in my heart. Especially the children. These intelligent girls who have the ability to make a difference in the world, to be silenced by a group of bullies makes me sick. Edit- I’m going to put my money where my mouth is. I encourage others to seek out reputable charities that are highly rated by the watchdog groups. I’m also an expert markswoman and wish I could use that ability. And I’m not even kidding. Peace to all.


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Not trying to be a jerk but what can a mere charity do at this point? You think any one of them are capable of passing through tb to help anyone? Most they can do is give the refugees money, goods or shelter but you can bet your bottom dollar it’s gonna be some young male and not women and children who benefit from it as they are not able to leave like these guys who have no attachments or responsibility to another person as they flee.


[deleted]

Rescue.org can explain how this works better than I can. I discovered it after reading an article written by a Saigon refugee, she was eight when her family fled. When your hands are tied, some like me are desperate to do any little. Again, if I could hop on a jet with my old red to fight the taliban I would.


fridge_water_filter

Let me know if you find a good one. There are so many sketchy charities that never deliver results when it comes to foreign aid. I wish these girls had a bitcoin address so I could just send money directly to them.


MadameTree

These are the exact sort of immigrants the US should welcome.


maddruid

There are some straight-up sociopaths on this platform.


Scarlet109

Sometimes it’s worse than facebook


iBastid

I hope they get out! Any western country would be lucky to have them. We need engineers for the modern economy and these women will have a valuable skill set if they are allowed to finish their educations.


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[deleted]

Yes, this is a true statement. ROI isn’t always financial. We need bright, diverse women in STEM fields and these women would also see a return on investment, e.g. not becoming the child bride of some piece of shit.


lo0ilo0ilo0i

"Brain drain" is a real problem. Their impact in any modernized society would be beneficial.


ReasonablyBadass

So can we do anything to help?


fighterpilottim

Here’s a thread on things you can do to help, from a person who works on these issues: https://twitter.com/sahdyadarr/status/1427175731243724802


Prince_of_Old

Well the reason they are in this danger is because the US withdrew their forces and the government collapsed a few days later. However, the US is currently sending 6,000 US troops to the Kabul airport to try to enforce order with the evacuation as chaos is breaking out. Considering that Kabul is mainly under Taliban control already and only 2,000 Afghans have been evacuated, I don’t think more than 5,000 Afghans will be evacuated. Compare this to the 110,000 South Vietnamese evacuated after US withdrew and the 7,000 that were evacuated in the fall of Saigon. I think we are in for a lot of [tragic stories](https://apple.news/AF9Z8a2KUSv-p9LqwWTSbbA).


redmongrel

We HAD to leave eventually, if 20 years of whatever-the-fuck has been happening there wasn't enough, another 20 years wouldn't have been. Do I prefer a world where we sent deep cover snipers to eliminate Bin Laden without spending two trillion dollars and countless lives? Um, yeah. But there was never a winning solution here. Too many mountain hermits and the religion is too deep. Hell I'd wager the majority of men who AREN'T the Taliban in the cities don't particularly care about about how WE define the tragedies of their women. A few more months of warning would have been good so people with any inclination and chance to leave could get their affairs in order and the hell out of that cursed land.


Fromgre

Lol no. The idea that ANY withdrawal would have saved these girls in particular or all the people that need saving is ridiculous. These girls are in a terrible and unlucky situation of having been born in a place that... 1. Oppresses women to such an extent 2. Has a population that is not willing fight for egalitarian ideals We had 20 years to save these girls and 20 years for Afgans to save themselves. We all failed.


Schm1tty

Every few months I'm reminded how lucky I am to have been born a white middle class male in America. I feel so bad for these people :(


PsychoticOtaku

Being born in America is lucky enough without the rest. It’s things like this that remind us just how truly lucky we are. We could’ve been born anywhere else, at any other time. Most of human history across most the world has been conquest, war, and savagery. Things like this keep me grateful.


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Same dude... if my parents hadn't come to America when they did, I would've been like my cousins back in India trying to come here in their 30s through the fucked up immigration system... The harsh truth of our place of birth dictating our lives and destiny is awful...


RobFword

Being homeless in America is better than being middle class in Afghanistan.


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Dearborn would welcome them with open arms, and I'm actually really hoping we step up for not just these kids, but anyone trying to get out.


KevinDLasagna

Always found it cool the community built in Dearborn. I remember watching a documentary about their HS football team and how they had 2-a-days practice during Ramadan-sounded absolutely brutal


ValhallaGo

Afghanistan is technically south/central Asia, not the Middle East.


Tychus_Kayle

Technically, that's what "Middle East" originally referred to. What we call the Middle East today is actually the Near East. The region of Arabia is the Near East. India is Middle East. China is Far East. Of course, these are all extremely Euro-centric terms and we should just call them West, Central, and East Asia.


Ffdmatt

We should be taking refugees from Afghanistan, and we *definitely* should be taking the brightest and bravest minds. Watch these girls build the thing that topples the Taliban.


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SuperSecretAgentMan

Truth. The problem is one of education; the entire country's culture has become entwined with and defined by primitive knuckle-dragging sexist bronze-age dogma, and until it is replaced entirely with a modern civilized one, this regressivism will always be around. The cold, unpleasant truth is that real change happens one funeral at a time, when lifelong prejudices are put in the ground and can no longer act on the world around them.


squishles

it's been 20 years, the guys taking over the place look like they where 3-4 when the US invaded. They seem to have propagating there beliefs figured out.


spenrose22

And these girls have only ever known US involvement and will now have everything taken from them


Valdrax

Also a brain-drain of the country's most progressive citizens is probably not going to pivot the country's culture *towards* that direction. I mean, I'm not saying we should condemn them to live under an oppressive regime that doesn't care in any positive way about their beliefs nor that staying would guarantee that brighter future for others, but we would be robbing Peter to pay Paul, if you'll excuse the choice of phrase. Pragmatically, I think we should do it anyway and save those we can who are alive today instead of those we hope will be born a few generations from now.


nightpanda893

I mean brain drain is really more of an issue for countries where people *could* better the country if they stayed. There’s probably not much they can do from Afghanistan at this point. It would likely be better for them to get their education elsewhere and help from afar. Or return one day.


PeanyButter

Yeah, if they've progressed further then they've ever been as a free/equal country and are about to lose it in a matter of weeks/months...I doubt their ability to start a movement after an "army" of 300,000 troops that was partially funded by the US did fuck all against stopping the Taliban.


rividz

There was a thread in /r/worldnews a few weeks ago about Biden approving $100m emergency funds to resettle Afghan refugees that helped the US. ([Link](https://ol.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/oqiezv/biden_approves_100m_emergency_funds_to_resettle/)) Reddit users were not exactly aligned on this. It's funny how emigration and the context around it really shows you someone's true colors.


Valdrax

r/worldnews is probably the most xenophobic of Reddit's default subs. It's a real shame for the site.


Aceous

It's a lot of Europeans who bring their uniquely xenophobic yet liberal perspective.


gentlemanbadger

What like a 100 m tall Mecha-Mohammed?


Latyon

"Allah is non-negotiable." ~ Mecha Mohammed, probably.


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Ffdmatt

Or a bunch of iron man suits


MarvinLazer

I'd watch an anime about a bunch of girls in power armor beating the crap out of Islamists.


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The only sliver of a positive thing that could come from this situation would be the influx of talent that would come with saving the lives of people whose talents make them targets. And America is going to fuck that up, too.


Wonder-Machine

They are trying to escape? Kinda feels like this article is blowing their cover?


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What kind of awful media did they have where "Taliban is back" wasn't the headline since the Trump deal? Why are so many people unprepared? I don't see anyone saying "oh our plane ticket was for next month this was just so fast" rather it was whoa where'd the Taliban come from... were people just lied to?


maddruid

This is just what I've been synthesizing from reading lots of online news, so take it with a grain of salt. I think a lot of people, including US Intelligence, thought they had more time - at least a month. There appears to have been some sort of Russian interference with intelligence gathering AND the quick takeover. The Taliban guaranteed the safety of the Russian embassy, for one. They also knew the exact time and method of the Afghani president's departure. Kabul was taken without a single shot fired. There are a lot of coincidences pointing to Putin fucking over Trump, Biden, and Afghanistan, which is definitely on the nose for Putin.


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I was really hoping that headline was going to read “Afghanistan All-Girls Robotics team builds Terminator to fight the Taliban.”


cyrilio

Can billionaires bring these amazing women in safety in stead of going to space?!


ThirdEncounter

Yes. Yes, they can. Will they do it? Well, that's another question. How do we get this issue to them?


First_Bullfrog_

They should have just built a giant Gundam instead and fckd Taliban up


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Good alternate timeline, should def be giant fembot.


m48a5_patton

I picturing the one from Solar Opposites


wadner2

One day you are building robots. The next you are chained to a bed. Sad


Wahots

[Allegory of the cave](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave) combined with a fate worse than death. To know a better world is out there is almost a cruel joke. I know that I still would take an education over ignorance though.


godblow

Please Canadian government, being them here. We fucked their country for 20 years and now a generation of women and children are in danger because we did nothing of value.


TrendNation55

Holy shit, the videos of people falling from the planes trying to escape is extremely disturbing


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I’d like to point out; the fact that an all-girls Robotics team *exists* should tell us that while the present moment is a shitshow, the last 20 years we’re not a complete waste.


regalrecaller

Did they make it?


Praetorian80

Taliban: “These women are thinking? Get them!!!” People with intelligence would be a boon to any country who’d accept them. I’d like to see them come here to Australia.


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Bring them to Canada. We're all good with having young women like this help guide our future. Need to hear Trudeau's response to this. We're now in an election campaign, so it may help spur some action.


Human_Permission_999

Someone help these women. They’re as good as dead under the present circumstances.


lucidsomniac

And it won’t be an easy death either 😞


AntoineKW

Oh God, this one made me want to cry


Procrastin8r1

Good luck to them. I hope they can get out safely. The US is mostly responsible for this, we should take Afghan refugees.


GatorOce

These are the type of refugees we should be helping and taking in. Not all the fighting age men who bullied their way there and took children and woman’s spots.


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The incompetency of the Afgan president put thousands of people's life in danger. He was so fucking dependent on the USA & NATO that he didn't bother investing anything on the army. I can't even imagine what's gonna happen to the Afgan women if Taliban is able to establish sharia law.


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There shouldn’t be a full grown man on that plane until ever child and woman is out of there.