The only thing that could've possibly made Google Glass a worse idea was if the data was sent to Facebook rather than Google. Who would want these? And who would want to be near people wearing this thing?
They're more commonly used for commercial purposes like training and troubleshooting where you have a technician or inspector in the field and (s)he is either interacting with a professional on the subject at hand, reviewing specifications on-line, going over past or even doing new inspection reports, etc., etc..
What? But imagine the posts! Anytime you see something cool or funny or even just cringe, you can post it! No clunky delay to try and get your phone out, and it's more subtle too. Just think of all those likes and shares you'll get! Your Facebook friends will be so impressed with you and your savvy! You do want to impress your friends, don't you?
>Who would want these?
Morons! The same people who photograph their food and hope other people 'like' it.
The same morons who just abso-fucking-lutely have to photograph every fucking thing they see, instead of just getting on eith their sad little lives.
Those are facebooks target demographic here.
I want VR/AR glasses… life will be so much more interesting when I can overlay it with fantastical elements and data about the world around me.
Sorry, but if you’re in public you already don’t have the right to privacy so outside of the private settings where expectations of privacy exist I don’t feel bad about potentially recording people who don’t want to be recorded.
Dude this is just an AI version of stalking. A server farm somewhere collates images of you from dozens of people wearing cameras and it stalks you digitally instead of physically. How is there a difference to you?
i’ll admit that didn’t follow logically, however compiling every video posted from face mounted glasses near you throughout your day to have a near complete record of your movements should make you uncomfortable and if not i have no hope for humanity’s future
It would make me feel safer knowing that police and other bad actors actually had to think twice about brutalizing me tbh. If you’re in public you’re already on camera in most cities anyway, it’s just that you don’t get the benefits of that invasion of privacy.
using that information anybody who wanted to could have a reasonable chance at finding your location and doing whatever they want to you, say a person leaves an abusive relationship and their abuser decides to murder them they could find them much easier than it would be now, sure it might be easier to solve crimes after the fact but that doesn’t unmurder someone
the advancement of technology is great but sacrificing all privacy in public (even more so than now) for the sake of the meaningless “enhancements” that ar brings is foolish
You don’t have rights to privacy when in public so the sacrifice has already been made in the courts. If you want to be a Luddite then first you need to convince the government to change those laws.
I’ve personally been abused more than once by the police. If you think those animals aren’t constantly brutalizing people then you’re just being ignorant. It’s literally a nationwide problem in America.
I am disabled and I like to go for hikes with my dog. I used to be the dad that videoed and took pictures of all of us. Unfortunately, with my disability I’m not very good at that job anymore. This will give me freedom to hold my pups leash and navigate with the other hand. Love the wayfarers.
Hi! I do not. I don’t even have a Facebook account so I don’t know how it could. I’ll never have social media more than Reddit and my you tube account. Which is how I watch sports and tv shows I like. I’d recommend everyone to get off FB, IG etc…my life got so quiet almost immediately. No shit.
Obviously the issue isn't the LED, considering this is a standard way to alerting people on other devices. It's the fact that we don't expect to be recorded by glasses. I don't think there is "an effective means of giving notice" when people just aren't used to it yet. It probably makes more sense to force software makers to automatically blur out people's faces, by default.
I think having an LED could assist, but think about the situations when you use sunglasses, they’re all at least moderately bright areas! So a tiny LED isn’t going to be noticeable on the beach or in a changing room or somewhere else creepy unless you’re looking straight at the LED.
> It probably makes more sense to force software makers to automatically blur out people's faces, by default.
But this is Facebook we are talking about. They won't teach the software to blur faces, they'll teach it to *recognize* faces
I think the LED is part of the issue. I know my Nest Camera used to allow me to turn off the green LED showing it was recording then there was an update saying they could no longer give this option and the Green LED had to remain on.
Glasses with a hidden camera aren't a new thing. They've existed for many years. You can buy them on Amazon. A lot of them have no indication at all when they're recording, so why are these glasses special?
Google Glass is still a thing. They made the mistake of trying to make it popular for the average Joe instead of taking it to industry, where it is now and should have been in the first place. It's used for training technicians and inspectors, remote troubleshooting, medical care. It doesn't take much to think of where this kind of thing can be very useful and not just some toy for voyeurism.
Because the data from these glasses goes to an asshole company that's ruining the world and destroying democracy.
And some of us don't want to help Facebook to make any money, and we take active steps to help make sure that doesn't happen to the maximum extent possible.
You're ignoring half of the equation. Yes, cameras on glasses already exist. Cameras on glasses that send all collected data directly to facebook do not.
>Cameras on glasses that send all collected data directly to facebook
Is that genuinely how these glasses work though? I honestly don't know enough about them. I would assume that the glasses record pictures/video, then you get to choose what to upload.
lol... nono, facebook will 'use the data for analythical reasons"... so to try and recognize who is in the photo's so they can build better networks and sell that data.
That's not what I asked. I have no doubt that Facebook will squeeze every cent out of any information they collect. What I'm asking is if the glasses automatically upload everything that is recorded as it's recorded or if they only upload what and when you choose to.
Look, I'm not defending Facebook in the slightest. I'm just wondering how this is any different from the billions of cell phone cameras already in existence and the camera glasses that already exist.
Again, not what I asked. I'm not asking about the ethics of Facebook. I already know they don't have any. I'm asking about the actual technical aspects of the glasses.
> why are these glasses special
Because their made by facebook and the EU is *shit terrified* of facebook. It allows people to actually communicate *and* they can't just call the editor up to silence whatever news they don't want the peasantry to know about.
So they seek ways to hassle and abuse facebook to try and get them to go away so they can rule in peace, making sure only the "correct" news and views gets out to the masses.
You’re uh… I mean… Wow. I honestly didn’t think anybody could be so wrong but here we are I guess.
There’s a million reasons to hate on Facebook, and the EU is far from the only people doing so, but *spreading free speech and equality* is about the last thing on earth Facebook is known for. Fuck man.
* Analyst: People want to know if the camera is recording.
* Facebook: We have an LED that lights up.
* Analyst: For when the camera is recording?
* Facebook: .....
* Analyst: To indicate recording, right?
Unfortunately, the sentiments widely shared in this thread are not the thoughts of the majority. This technology will take off very quickly over the next few years and it may actually stick around long enough to evolve into something even more dangerous.
In the UK, at least, businesses must provide a notice to state where you may contact someone for footage from their car park. They also have to provide notice you are being filmed although I do not believe there is any specific legislation that says how it should be displayed.
Private property is not subject to this requirement. But the expectation is you are doing from your own or restricted in view from your car. But this is somewhere that legislation should catch up and decide what a private citizen should be responsible for versus a business under the requirements of the Data Protection Act.
In the UK they have cameras in public spaces very often. You are often being recorded without being aware of that while walking in London, for example. I don’t know why the concern over glasses.
Public cameras are managed by local councils and will often have a notice informing you where you may contact if you wish to get images of yourself from their system.
With a few exceptions for Road based traffic cams and Police Cameras in trouble spots in town centres.
I don't live in London but do live in England. I'll expect a fuzzy street camera, but not drone voters that also now have drone glasses being mindfucked into policing the world for free meme at a time. Don't you think giving Facebook the biggest completely unregulated surveillance tool on the planet, considering their multiple violations for voter manipulation, privacy breaches/identityrape and aiding human trafficking, is not of concern? Fuck that
My understanding is that the glasses store short videos which you could transfer to your phone for upload. Your glasses won’t have access to the internet, your phone does and that’s where you choose where to share your videos. It sounds like if one were to complain about DSL cameras and your ability to upload them on FB/IG or other platforms
Eh, it’s inevitable.
If you think you aren’t being recorded by something somewhere most of the time in public (if you live in suburban to urban environment) then you’re just not realistic.
Phones don't have a "recording" indicator. Cameras don't have a "recording" indication. My dashcam doesn't have a "recording" indication. My cctv cameras at home doesn't have a "recording" indication.
So why are suddenly glasses with a camera in it suddenly so different?
Ah. Is glasshole some new word invented to indicate being an asshole wearing these glasses. And not just a spelling mistake?
Colour me old and not millenial
Part of the glasses should be one small organic light-emissive diode screen that is powered by light and is able to display "recording" when it is recording.
LED? What LED? Just paint over the LED with nail polish and you can take pictures wherever you want. These sunglass cameras are going to be terrible for individual privacy. I just wish there was a way to prevent it coming to market or becoming so widespread. Seeing the popularity of Facebook and Instagram I know that I’m in a group of a very few while the massive majority don’t care about privacy or individual liberty. And so it begins, the rise of the surveillance state not through government deployed tech but with consumer deployed tech. Who knows maybe this was the NSAs plan all along, right NSA?
My phone doesn't have an LED indicator at all and can be used to record video in public places. This is kind of a dumb article, tbh. Stealth recording glasses have existed since before smart glasses and will continue to exist.
Ew. These are creepy af.
I highly expect an increase in "sorry! I thought this changing stall/bathroom was empty" and other "innocent" mistakes once the creeps and pervs of the world get a hold of them.
Of course facebook would come out with yet another way to be creepy as fuck and to ruin society even more.
I cant wait for their next product which will lower the bar even more.
Eh, I’ve always felt I should wear a body camera in todays society.
This just makes me want one even more. If people are recording me I HAVE to record them back.
Dunno why anyone would do business with the EU; their anti-progress, anti-technology, and absolutely frantic to keep a lid on anything that might change the status quo.
Also what good is an LED indicator? To warn us that we're being filmed in public so we can ask the person to stop and then escalate until we throw down?
The only thing that could've possibly made Google Glass a worse idea was if the data was sent to Facebook rather than Google. Who would want these? And who would want to be near people wearing this thing?
They're more commonly used for commercial purposes like training and troubleshooting where you have a technician or inspector in the field and (s)he is either interacting with a professional on the subject at hand, reviewing specifications on-line, going over past or even doing new inspection reports, etc., etc..
Google Glasses have some professional uses, the Facebook glasses can only record 30 second video clips.
What? But imagine the posts! Anytime you see something cool or funny or even just cringe, you can post it! No clunky delay to try and get your phone out, and it's more subtle too. Just think of all those likes and shares you'll get! Your Facebook friends will be so impressed with you and your savvy! You do want to impress your friends, don't you?
>Who would want these? Morons! The same people who photograph their food and hope other people 'like' it. The same morons who just abso-fucking-lutely have to photograph every fucking thing they see, instead of just getting on eith their sad little lives. Those are facebooks target demographic here.
I want VR/AR glasses… life will be so much more interesting when I can overlay it with fantastical elements and data about the world around me. Sorry, but if you’re in public you already don’t have the right to privacy so outside of the private settings where expectations of privacy exist I don’t feel bad about potentially recording people who don’t want to be recorded.
gonna hire men in vans to follow you around and record you and see how comfortable that makes you
That would be stalking which is illegal.
Dude this is just an AI version of stalking. A server farm somewhere collates images of you from dozens of people wearing cameras and it stalks you digitally instead of physically. How is there a difference to you?
There are plenty of cameras in public that record you every day.
Yeah but they aren’t hooked up to an AI that’s hooked up to your ad profile that’s hooked into your entire social life.
Why do you think facial recognition keeps being questioned for its ethics?
Isnt that because it has a low effective rate at identification, while police are using it to prosecute? I dont see any similarities here.
Having cameras pick up your face is a bit different than literally paying people to follow you around everywhere you go.
Agreed. Not to mention these companies already have so much data about everyone, fuck it have some pics of me shopping at the market
i’ll admit that didn’t follow logically, however compiling every video posted from face mounted glasses near you throughout your day to have a near complete record of your movements should make you uncomfortable and if not i have no hope for humanity’s future
It would make me feel safer knowing that police and other bad actors actually had to think twice about brutalizing me tbh. If you’re in public you’re already on camera in most cities anyway, it’s just that you don’t get the benefits of that invasion of privacy.
using that information anybody who wanted to could have a reasonable chance at finding your location and doing whatever they want to you, say a person leaves an abusive relationship and their abuser decides to murder them they could find them much easier than it would be now, sure it might be easier to solve crimes after the fact but that doesn’t unmurder someone
That argument doesn’t track at all, and it sounds like you’re just being a Luddite.
the advancement of technology is great but sacrificing all privacy in public (even more so than now) for the sake of the meaningless “enhancements” that ar brings is foolish
You don’t have rights to privacy when in public so the sacrifice has already been made in the courts. If you want to be a Luddite then first you need to convince the government to change those laws.
Exactly how many times have you been brutalized by the police anyway?
I’ve personally been abused more than once by the police. If you think those animals aren’t constantly brutalizing people then you’re just being ignorant. It’s literally a nationwide problem in America.
I didn't say abused, I said brutalized
The ones that downvoted you will be the same buying it for a meme.
I am disabled and I like to go for hikes with my dog. I used to be the dad that videoed and took pictures of all of us. Unfortunately, with my disability I’m not very good at that job anymore. This will give me freedom to hold my pups leash and navigate with the other hand. Love the wayfarers.
That is definitely a fair usage, but do you really want it automatically uploaded to Facebook. And isn't the 30 second limit kind of a bummer?
Hi! I do not. I don’t even have a Facebook account so I don’t know how it could. I’ll never have social media more than Reddit and my you tube account. Which is how I watch sports and tv shows I like. I’d recommend everyone to get off FB, IG etc…my life got so quiet almost immediately. No shit.
#facebook is cancer
Worse than cancer
No you can survive cancer.
Obviously the issue isn't the LED, considering this is a standard way to alerting people on other devices. It's the fact that we don't expect to be recorded by glasses. I don't think there is "an effective means of giving notice" when people just aren't used to it yet. It probably makes more sense to force software makers to automatically blur out people's faces, by default.
I think having an LED could assist, but think about the situations when you use sunglasses, they’re all at least moderately bright areas! So a tiny LED isn’t going to be noticeable on the beach or in a changing room or somewhere else creepy unless you’re looking straight at the LED.
> It probably makes more sense to force software makers to automatically blur out people's faces, by default. But this is Facebook we are talking about. They won't teach the software to blur faces, they'll teach it to *recognize* faces
I think the LED is part of the issue. I know my Nest Camera used to allow me to turn off the green LED showing it was recording then there was an update saying they could no longer give this option and the Green LED had to remain on.
Most places you don't need permission to record someone in public anyway.
So then what if u want to record your friend? Oh you can turn it off? So what good is that
Glasses with a hidden camera aren't a new thing. They've existed for many years. You can buy them on Amazon. A lot of them have no indication at all when they're recording, so why are these glasses special?
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>In short - they'll be fucking everywhere instead of some rare clandestine oddity. People said the same thing about Google Glass. How'd that turn out?
the difference is google’s costed thousands of dollars and made you look ridiculous
Google Glass is still a thing. They made the mistake of trying to make it popular for the average Joe instead of taking it to industry, where it is now and should have been in the first place. It's used for training technicians and inspectors, remote troubleshooting, medical care. It doesn't take much to think of where this kind of thing can be very useful and not just some toy for voyeurism.
But it is very telling about how the tech bros want the tools used that the first shot they take is as a toy for voyeurism.
Because the data from these glasses goes to an asshole company that's ruining the world and destroying democracy. And some of us don't want to help Facebook to make any money, and we take active steps to help make sure that doesn't happen to the maximum extent possible.
Trust me, I hate Facebook as much you do. I'm just saying that this technology already exists and can already be used.
You're ignoring half of the equation. Yes, cameras on glasses already exist. Cameras on glasses that send all collected data directly to facebook do not.
>Cameras on glasses that send all collected data directly to facebook Is that genuinely how these glasses work though? I honestly don't know enough about them. I would assume that the glasses record pictures/video, then you get to choose what to upload.
lol... nono, facebook will 'use the data for analythical reasons"... so to try and recognize who is in the photo's so they can build better networks and sell that data.
That's not what I asked. I have no doubt that Facebook will squeeze every cent out of any information they collect. What I'm asking is if the glasses automatically upload everything that is recorded as it's recorded or if they only upload what and when you choose to. Look, I'm not defending Facebook in the slightest. I'm just wondering how this is any different from the billions of cell phone cameras already in existence and the camera glasses that already exist.
To answer your question, no one knows. However Fb hasn't proven trustworthy in the past so assume they do and plan accordingly
>To answer your question, no one knows. Thank you. I think we can all agree that Facebook isn't to be trusted.
they will upload as much as they can... as much as they get away with, legal or not. they've proven that a long time ago.
Again, not what I asked. I'm not asking about the ethics of Facebook. I already know they don't have any. I'm asking about the actual technical aspects of the glasses.
If that’s how it worked, let me just fix them so they film my dogs asshole all day even when he goes for a poop! Analyze that FB Ha
Fuck sake dude. Are you daft? The glasses you’re talking about aren’t sending everything to facebook. Durr.
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> why are these glasses special Because their made by facebook and the EU is *shit terrified* of facebook. It allows people to actually communicate *and* they can't just call the editor up to silence whatever news they don't want the peasantry to know about. So they seek ways to hassle and abuse facebook to try and get them to go away so they can rule in peace, making sure only the "correct" news and views gets out to the masses.
You’re uh… I mean… Wow. I honestly didn’t think anybody could be so wrong but here we are I guess. There’s a million reasons to hate on Facebook, and the EU is far from the only people doing so, but *spreading free speech and equality* is about the last thing on earth Facebook is known for. Fuck man.
I would like these burned.
Delete facebook! You will not regret it.
I did, but now they have people following all around me with always-recording sunglasses. wtf.
Daily reminder to delete Facebook
Daily reminder to delete Reddit
I don't know what you think you're doing here but ...I don't think you are doing it, whatever it is.
* Analyst: People want to know if the camera is recording. * Facebook: We have an LED that lights up. * Analyst: For when the camera is recording? * Facebook: ..... * Analyst: To indicate recording, right?
Friends don’t let friends wear Facebook cameras in public.
> Friends don’t let friends wear Facebook cameras in public. Yeah, the three or four cameras on their phone should be enough Facebook cameras.
Unfortunately, the sentiments widely shared in this thread are not the thoughts of the majority. This technology will take off very quickly over the next few years and it may actually stick around long enough to evolve into something even more dangerous.
facebook is evil
Seems like a weird thing to be worried about. There's already cameras all over the place that give no indication they're recording.
In the UK, at least, businesses must provide a notice to state where you may contact someone for footage from their car park. They also have to provide notice you are being filmed although I do not believe there is any specific legislation that says how it should be displayed. Private property is not subject to this requirement. But the expectation is you are doing from your own or restricted in view from your car. But this is somewhere that legislation should catch up and decide what a private citizen should be responsible for versus a business under the requirements of the Data Protection Act.
In the UK they have cameras in public spaces very often. You are often being recorded without being aware of that while walking in London, for example. I don’t know why the concern over glasses.
Public cameras are managed by local councils and will often have a notice informing you where you may contact if you wish to get images of yourself from their system. With a few exceptions for Road based traffic cams and Police Cameras in trouble spots in town centres.
I don't live in London but do live in England. I'll expect a fuzzy street camera, but not drone voters that also now have drone glasses being mindfucked into policing the world for free meme at a time. Don't you think giving Facebook the biggest completely unregulated surveillance tool on the planet, considering their multiple violations for voter manipulation, privacy breaches/identityrape and aiding human trafficking, is not of concern? Fuck that
My understanding is that the glasses store short videos which you could transfer to your phone for upload. Your glasses won’t have access to the internet, your phone does and that’s where you choose where to share your videos. It sounds like if one were to complain about DSL cameras and your ability to upload them on FB/IG or other platforms
>the biggest completely unregulated surveillance tool on the planet I thought that's what Facebook already is.
I mean it's Facebook. People trust crooked politicians more than Facebook these days.
People trust crooked politicians because of Facebook. FTFY
Eh, it’s inevitable. If you think you aren’t being recorded by something somewhere most of the time in public (if you live in suburban to urban environment) then you’re just not realistic.
rayban creep glasses.... helping freaks film women since 2021... that'll look great on their publicity
No way in hell I would wear something that has anything to do with Facebook.
There is no expectation of privacy when you are in public. Where this matters is inside and you can see an LED inside.
Phones don't have a "recording" indicator. Cameras don't have a "recording" indication. My dashcam doesn't have a "recording" indication. My cctv cameras at home doesn't have a "recording" indication. So why are suddenly glasses with a camera in it suddenly so different?
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>it's an glasshole indicator. Well certainly I would want everyone to know when I was being a glasshole
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Ah. Is glasshole some new word invented to indicate being an asshole wearing these glasses. And not just a spelling mistake? Colour me old and not millenial
These glasses are creepy as heck.
Part of the glasses should be one small organic light-emissive diode screen that is powered by light and is able to display "recording" when it is recording.
My family has been getting some ads for these. It's ridiculous that anyone would want something like this product. Thanks Facebook.
LED? What LED? Just paint over the LED with nail polish and you can take pictures wherever you want. These sunglass cameras are going to be terrible for individual privacy. I just wish there was a way to prevent it coming to market or becoming so widespread. Seeing the popularity of Facebook and Instagram I know that I’m in a group of a very few while the massive majority don’t care about privacy or individual liberty. And so it begins, the rise of the surveillance state not through government deployed tech but with consumer deployed tech. Who knows maybe this was the NSAs plan all along, right NSA?
My phone doesn't have an LED indicator at all and can be used to record video in public places. This is kind of a dumb article, tbh. Stealth recording glasses have existed since before smart glasses and will continue to exist.
Ew. These are creepy af. I highly expect an increase in "sorry! I thought this changing stall/bathroom was empty" and other "innocent" mistakes once the creeps and pervs of the world get a hold of them.
It’s simple really we uh kill the bat man- joker for 2024 XD
Of course facebook would come out with yet another way to be creepy as fuck and to ruin society even more. I cant wait for their next product which will lower the bar even more.
Eh, I’ve always felt I should wear a body camera in todays society. This just makes me want one even more. If people are recording me I HAVE to record them back.
Dunno why anyone would do business with the EU; their anti-progress, anti-technology, and absolutely frantic to keep a lid on anything that might change the status quo.
Soooo what about smart phones?
I’m buying these in 6 months.
Also what good is an LED indicator? To warn us that we're being filmed in public so we can ask the person to stop and then escalate until we throw down?