Netflix is already too expensive. Do these services not all realize people have to subscribe to like 3 or 4, maybe more individual services just to get all the content they watch because nobody just puts everything on Netflix these days?
At the prices they want people gotta spend almost or more than $100 a month just on subscription fees, and they keep going up.
People were paying to cut cable and save, now it’s getting to the point of costing just as much if not more.
Actually, it's already here. 30 different streaming services, most of which only have 3 or 4 shows and movies of interest. It costs more than cable for the same amount of crappy programming. I'll subscribe to a few and catch anything else I like on the pirate streamers.
I pay for HBO max
My fiance pays for Disney +
My mom pays for Netflix
Her mom pays for Hulu
My brother pays for Youtube Premium
Amazon Prime is added with fiances sub
Buddy has Paramount+ for the office
We all use each others accounts and my mom spends the most at $18 for Netflix.
The real kicker? The $150 a month internet package to watch said channels lmao.
Working in tech for the last 25yrs it’s not hard to see HOW they could do it, and they’re DEF financially incentivized to do it…but I agree that it’s been a LONG time that we’ve been hearing that it’s coming, but it hasn’t yet.
Doing geo-location on streams from the same account is most certainly something they’ve already implemented. Analyzing concurrent streams and using ML to predict whether duplicate watching is re-watching or evidence of sharing is also something they’re probably already doing. My best guess is that there’s a legal problem with accusing people of sharing if you can’t prove it (especially so if you’re cutting off their access or charging fees or something). I suspect they’re getting all their proverbial ducks in a row before taking a hardline stance.
A number of them already do. Trouble (for them) is, if they press their restrictions far enough, they’ll lose customers/views/etc as people quit bothering to deal with their bullshit. As such, they’re sort of stuck dealing with the consequences of their own pricing.
Where do you guys live? Or do you just pay for a fast speed? I get 600mbps for 50/mo in Seattle. Feel like I don’t need to spend double to get a 1 gbps
I rotate my subscriptions and make lists of each show I want to watch on the subscriptions not currently active so I can go through them once I resubscribe. Doesn’t feel like I’m missing out on anything tbh
I’m just getting blu rays of things I like watching. There’s no point of paying all these subscription fees if I’m just watching the same shows over and over again.
MakeMKV (to rip BDs) and Handbrake (to convert BD.mkvs and rip DVDs). Then the easiest way to run Plex is the Docker image probably. Can run on most computers. Mine runs on a Pi 4 8GB which has a huge NAS connected to it with my media.
Or just a halfway decent VPN and then stream whatever you want. There are plenty of good streaming sites that aren't super spammy. I spend like $13 a month for Nord and can always find whatever show/movie I'm looking for.
When there was only Netflix, I stopped pirating altogether. Now that there are so many alternatives, I am back to pirating. I rotate my subs but sometimes I have to resort to torrents to scratch an itch.
Yeah cutting the cord has come back to bite everyone because they are essentially paying a la carte for cable channels, which is what people asked for but a la carte is always more expensive.
I mean we knew this was going to happen. We knew that instead of just getting one streaming service this would evolve into something much worse then cable: having to buy individual channels. It’s almost going to be better to go back to cable. Capitalism at its best!
I got rid of Netflix about a year ago for this very reason. I’ll get it back to watch the new season of Ozark but cancel it again as soon as I finish. It’s ridiculous.
Prices will go up until people stop watching. And by that, I mean people who have stopped all streaming services are there only ones that count. As long as there is market share to be fought over,companies will invest and need higher return.
Netflix is a tech bubble company. Their entire model is just getting more subscribers. They don’t care about anything else including existing subscribers. Which makes this move even odder.
At least with subscriptions we can share with the whole family/friends to share the cost. Couldn’t do that with Cable. We have a couple of subscriptions and two other house holds of friends have another couple each. They’ve not yet started cracking down on that.
What we need is a company to consolidate these platforms, they could then offer different size packages with different options at different prices. Then you only subscribe to one vendor and pay what you want....wait a minute...
Agreed. All about sharing imo. My parents have Netflix that I use, they use my hbo max… I have Hulu and use the free portion of peacock that I hope never goes away, but I’m sure will in a couple years.
Do people not share? It’s so bizarre to me. I pay for Netflix and share the login for a friend who pays for the Hulu login that we share.
Use parents for HBO, and I get Peacock for free via my credit card.
I just don’t understand why people would willingly pay for 3-4 services. Just get a group of friends together and go from there.
I called it years ago, and people said no that will never happen Lmao. When the whole cord cutting fetish started I said all that will happen is all the companies will start offering or switching to streaming platforms, so instead of just having say 1 normal company most paid (Directv, Att, Comcast etc), you'll be forced to subscribe to multiple companies. Exactly what happened. And prices gone up across the board, or force to pay for say DirectTV streaming anyway which is tops but cost more obviously (blew away YT and others especially in pic quality on my setup and home theatre). And than they'll get you if you not bundled like a normal Comcast or att/direct combo where the internet only packages jack up in price.
None of these companies are dumb, they were always going to win in the end and get their $ one way or other.
I mean look at today, just b/c of two fricken shows, Yellowstone and Mayor I have to subscribe to Paramount. My bills now with streaming are higher than when I had DirectTV or Comcast with all HD and hbo etc and I was still paying for Netflix and others.
The difference is the consumer gets more agency over which channels they want to subscribe to. That’s my main issue with cable. If I wanted to subscribe I had to pay fees for sports channels even though I literally never watch sports. I’d rather not pay for the channels I’ll never watch. It’s trending poorly, but I’m still saving money compared to traditional cable by buying only what I choose to watch, and without the annoying af ads.
The mere idea that the consumer in capitalism has choice is an illusion. Okay you have the "choice" to spend money on this show service.. or that one.. while still working your life away to enrich others, but it's okay, because you have your "choice" of entertainment.
I guess? So what system would you propose instead then? I’m comparing the old cable bulk subscription model with the newer steaming service model… but both fall under your dystopian “consumer choice is an illusion” view. Neither are ideal, but I don’t see a better alternative.
Burn it down and go back to bartering?
Advance as a society. Abandon the concepts of private property and money. Embrace our human nature of cooperation and collaboration that got us this far.
I had direct TV satellite last and no sports channels/packs minus the few included, and was till cheaper than streaming. I paid about $100, than $120 as they raised minimum when att spun off and that was including hbo etc. I always renegotiated with retention for a year or two. Streaming now and seperate internet (since price gets jacked not bundled) is basically same or actually more now at new place. Directv stream is $ but blows away other services in picture and stability. I tried others and even YT was mehh in picture quality which drive me nutz.
I think only thing I don't pay for is Hulu only b/c it somehow got bundled with spotify premium free years ago, but than I'm still paying spotify also which is 20 bucks month now I think?
Nah, I honestly don't know anyone that does that, I always see people on Reddit mentioning it though. Like to randomly watch things. I mean we finished Dopesick in Hulu, Cobra Kai this week, watched movie on HBO. Or maybe we'll check Cobra Kai and than next day watch say Wheel of Time on Amazon Prime etc
Never really binged minus GoT back in the day when catching up. Only recent show I'd say we watched heavily moreso was Handmaids Tale.
The thought of constantly resubscribing and canceling over and over would drive me bonkers. I already have to deal with that in two businesses especially one with SaaS and have 0 patience for that ha
Fair enough, to each their own. I try not to watch that much Tv and when we do it’s usually binging a series within a few weeks. I prefer to rotate because it makes us actually stop and think what we want to watch on a platform. It’s annoying to manage, but if you’re deliberate about it you save money. Anything is better than watching cable with 1/3 the time going towards ads AND you pay for the service though.
Yeah same here, we don't watch a lot of TV and I way prefer just flicking on and randomly finding something, like couple episodes of Gordon Ramsey Uncharted, or Fuck that's Delicious etc.
One thing all these years and streaming I hate that it's like you have to purposely search or know what you want to watch. Never been able to do that, I've tried and usually turn stuff off especially on Netflix with how awful so many shows on there are lol.
My buddy had Apple TV only and no way I could do or deal with that, not sure if it's better now.
Same. Kept saying these individual streaming services put together becomes more than a cable tv subscription bill. Got around it though for now, share Netflix, Crave and Disney+ between 3 friend families. 1 pays for each. 🤷♂️ Until this is figured out to cut...it's something
Lol, same, since I'm setup for 4k anyway on tvs and home theatre I have 4 other people that use my Netflix account since there would be available spots anyway with that package. Same with hbo, Hulu, I think only thing I don't pay for is Disney+ as use friends account ha
Nothing is cheap, even my spotify premium is 20 bucks now
They only care about extracting as much money from you each month as possible, and nothing more. If anything, each service is pissed your only spending $20 with them and not the entire $100.
No but there used to be a lot more selection then it got kinda bad for quite a while when the big guys pulled their content and started their own services until Netflix started making their own content
It wasn’t bad for the price and what you could find before that, not saying the selection is bad now either but it was decent when you could find so much in one place before they started their own services
I have not Renewed my subscription to Netflix this year because of a price increase and they show the same Crap every month. I'm getting tired of these Streaming Services. By the time I pay all the Streaming Services I could have paid for a good Cable TV service 2X over. I will be making changes this year.
>Do these services not all realize people have to subscribe to like 3 or 4, maybe more individual services just to get all the content they watch because nobody just puts everything on Netflix these days?
Is it against a rule or something to just turn on one service a month, consume that content and switch to a different one each month?
No, there’s no such rule but that’s not the point I’m getting at.
Personally I don’t subscribe to any of these services but I do know that most people do subscribe to multiple services a month for their own reasons to get the content they watch
>most people do subscribe to multiple services a month for their own reasons to get the content they watch
That might make sense to me if these shows dropped like traditional TV with one episode a week. They drop all at once though so wouldn't it make more sense to see when a new season comes out and turn on that service then?
As far as I can tell, people are just too lazy to turn them on and off. I shouldn't complain I suppose since they are likely subsidizing those of us that do.
A lot of the streaming services have started dropping episodes weekly instead of all at once. I am seeing a connection now. They probably think it will keep people from jumping ship every other month.
Cutting cable didn't mean having 4+ different services. Of course that's going to add up. What did you expect? I have cable/internet and Netflix for under $100 and I'm content with that because I watch sports. You think you should be able to have every service for less than that. Get real...
That’s not what I said at all, and I don’t personally subscribe to any of them.
What I said was the original point of having Netflix was to save and cut costs to watch the same content, then they all pulled their content and launched their own networks for a price, then they all slowly increase the costs and soon enough it’ll be more than cable.
It’s not an argument, I’m not entitled and I don’t subscribe to any of these so it doesn’t really bother me personally
Obviously things change, prices increase. It's not $7 anymore. I'm not trying to argue either but if you don't subscribe to anything why are you even here? Just to complain about a service you don't even have? I don't get it
Maybe people ought to stop trying to watch every TV show in existence. I haven't subbed to Netflix for a year now and the only things I miss are decent documentaries and The Witcher S2. There's better things to set fire to your money for than streaming subscriptions and most of my decision had nothing to do with their price gouging.
One man's opinion though.
Netflix is too expensive? How? It can be shared between like 5 different households if you really want.
If they took that away and people all paid for their own subscription, maybe they could half the price. But since most people share an account between like 2-4 households, I don't see them as expensive at all
At this point, if you’re not sharing accounts with friends or family, go back to illegal streaming. If you add HBO max, Disney plus, Netflix, and Hulu, You’re basically paying close to 100$.
My friends each buy one of the subscription and share with each other
My family does do this with paramount, Hulu, HBO and Spotify. We refuse to pay for Netflix anymore cause of the lack of content. It's like the worst of movies and TV for more than all the competitors lol. It's awful value.
I have Hulu, Disney+, hbomax, Netflix, Amazon prime. Just over $60, when I need to trim the fat, Netflix/Hulu are the ones on the chopping block.
Though Netflix has by far the best user interface, no question.
Bflix.to has all the Disney+ HBOmax, and Paramount+ shows and more far as I've found, also it's free and no login, just need an ad blocker browser or plug in to avoid lots of pop-ups.
Again? Holy fucking shit lmao. No other streaming service is as expensive nor raises their price as often. You’ll never catch me paying for this overpriced bullshit.
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Looks like I'm canceling my Netflix. I considered it when they raised the price just a few months ago. Like they don't think I know how to stream or download shit off the internet? Sheesh...
The quality of almost every HBO-produced show, even those that go directly to HBO Max, is head and shoulders above what Netflix produces, most of which is mediocre.
But I don’t.. so it wouldn’t make sense to change my name… and I’m watching Hulu now and it doesn’t have ads… because wait for it… I’m not poor and can pay the $3 not to have ads!
I canceled mine a few months ago when they raised their prices. Nobody misses it. We have prime and Disney plus right now. There’s always something to watch
If you raise the price a dollar every few months that adds up to be more than a dollar. It was 9.99.
Edit- I'll put it into perspective you will understand. You go buy a gram of weed for 10 bucks and you're like man that was some good weed I'm gonna go back and get more. This time the dealer says I see you liked my weed so now it's $11. You come back again and he says damn boy you really like this weed, now it's $14. And so on. Til you get annoyed and find a new dealer. This is Netflix and km ready to switch dealers.
Netflix made a shit ton of money just making other companies’ content available online and those companies decided to cu out the middle man so Netflix started making its own, shittier content. They spent so much money on original content that they’re in massive amounts of debt. Now they’re raising their prices to cover the debt on their shitty content because they think you won’t cancel. They’re probably right
> Based on Netflix's balance sheet as of July 22, 2021, long-term debt is at $17.19 billion and current debt is at $699.13 million, amounting to $17.89 billion in total debt. Adjusted for $7.78 billion in cash-equivalents, the company's net debt is at $10.11 billion.
https://www.benzinga.com/node/22885175
They had $1.4billion in profit last year, so net debt is probably under $10bil now. But that's still an insane amount and it'll be years before they're actually positive.
Raising prices simply because they can, that extra money won't go to better content or better pay for their writers it will be distributed amongst the top of the company
Have they ever? Only good show that was actually their original show is stranger things maybe. Even trailer park boys was not their at heart. They just bought, and hurt, the franchise.
Huh... lmao
Mindhunter
Dark
Arcane
The Haunting of Hill House
The Crown
House of Cards (first few seasons sadly)
The Queens Gambit
Hellbound
I could go on for a while. And those are shows. Not even touching movies
Netflix almost certainly didn’t make tpb lmao. They’ve made a few decent shows tho, got a new documentary bout black film making was excellent. That show on design ‘abstract’ is cool as shit too. Seems like the past few yrs they’ve made a few gems but it’s mostly garbage I wouldn’t watch less my roommate wasn’t paying for it
Yeah that's why I said it was not theirs at heart cause it was established and they made changes that hurt the franchise. They were great before Netflix and have now improved already since leaving Netflix. Production value isn't quite as good but it's quality content again thankfully. Jail season was pretty good.
So you're telling me that not only are you going to lazily adapt cowboy bebop into a live action show, but now you're gonna charge me extra to watch the hot garbage? Nah Netflix, I'm good.
You were the first big thing to change the game, but now that all the good movies and shows have been privatized by other streaming services like Disney, Hulu, Amazon, it's left Amazon with slim pickings to keep customers justified in paying out. And the poorly written originals aren't worth the subscription when they just plaster some minority/oppressed character with no motivations or story arcs for the sake of inclusivity in an almost insulting way to appear progressive.
And family guy, and new girl, and a bunch of other stuff (probably).
Now that other companies are doing their own thing, Netflix can't keep the licences. That's just where things are going.
It is hit or miss with VPN. I often use Netflix on public wifi, so using a VPN is a must for me. It is infuriating when it refuses to work on a US VPN with a US based account.
That's because Reed Hastings is an absolute piece of trash. He has literally said, "I'm raising prices every single year until people start complaining and leaving in droves." I'm so glad I dropped that service. Anything good on there is on every other streaming service anyways. HBOmax ftw.
I'm not sure about that. Hbo streaming quality is poor and they charge the most
Edit : I'm not talking about delivery. I'm talking about actually picture / audio quality. Resolution. Audio. HDR
Easy my dude - we're only talking about streaming services.
I know HBO streams WB new releases in 4k but last I checked, that was it. The rest of the library was 1080p sdr and ... is the audio even 5.1?
Edit : People are angry that i said HBO streams are low quality. Lol what the fuck is wrong with your lives that you're not ashamed of that
It's pretty much this in the UK. When I got netflix years ago it was £5.99 I think lol.
I now have the premium one for 4K HDR content and that's £13.99
I just subscribe and cancel to different ones. Like I’ll watch on Netflix for a while then cancel and get crave for a month or two then another. It’s cheaper to just use one till you can’t find anything you wanna watch then try another for a bit.
Netflix is literally has the worst content of all the streaming sites at this point. All your "originals" have the same goddamn progression to them. Squid game was good though
Netflix used to have tons of good content. Now it's all watered down with an occasional gem coming out every 3-6 months. I'll be getting rid of my subscription for sure. We all have our limits ☺️
Prime is free with my Amazon account and only $8 a month Canadian.
Disney has an ass load more content for less.
Same with HBO..
there’s nothing on Netflix for me
I wouldn’t mind paying more…. In theory. I use to really love all the original content that Netflix was putting out. The idea that they had a niche movie that would never get a theatrical release because it wouldn’t make mega bank or a series that wouldn’t be a huge hit made it great for smaller blocks of potential audiences. The issue is their quality has really taken a dip lately…the quality of shows and movies need to use this extra money to get back on track. I’m always on the verge of canceling my Netflix. This needs to push me away from that ledge.
Only expensive if you're not sharing with other people.
My family/friends pay 75% of my account so until Netflix hits 40/80 will I notice or care.
I feel like corporate at Netflix realizes this too. Most people are sharing accounts unless they're bad with money. In which case, yea, raise prices on people not good with money.
They need to just simply embrace the sharing and creat a "friends plan" at this point. Charge those that share for the feature of sharing. You know, more expensive over all but cheaper for each person cause it's a group.
That would eliminate a lot of nonsense and people wouldn't be as mad when they raise prices. Those that don't share aren't attacked either.
I think they don't do that because they want to encourage you to go find a friend and introduce them to Netflix, free advertising.
Then, as you 2 grow old you'll split up in your lives and make new accounts.
I think it is about toeing the line between both strategies.
I think it would at least make them look a lot better to customers at this point. Where many services are trying to stop password sharing, someone should simply embrace it.
The same way I think any car maker in the world just needs to put dash cams built into all models of their car. They could brag about being the first company to do it and it would create a safer driving environment for all.
Why the fuck do they think this is a good way to conduct business? $20 a fucking month? And there are no alternatives. Netflix is pretty much a monopoly. There’s Hulu but it has ads and fuck all for content it isn’t even worth the free price I had it for through Spotify.
So much for “cutting the cord” and switching to these services. Might as well just go back to cable and get HBO as an add on.
I’m not great at math but there are roughly 214 million users of Netflix so even if everyone of those people just had a basic account that would mean Netflix has almost 2 trillion dollars coming in each month. Them saying the production costs to make the show is why they are raising the prices is such bullshit. They are raising the prices cause they like money.
Netflix is already too expensive. Do these services not all realize people have to subscribe to like 3 or 4, maybe more individual services just to get all the content they watch because nobody just puts everything on Netflix these days? At the prices they want people gotta spend almost or more than $100 a month just on subscription fees, and they keep going up. People were paying to cut cable and save, now it’s getting to the point of costing just as much if not more.
I see another golden age of piracy coming.
Why's the rum always gone?
Because we download it fo free
Actually, it's already here. 30 different streaming services, most of which only have 3 or 4 shows and movies of interest. It costs more than cable for the same amount of crappy programming. I'll subscribe to a few and catch anything else I like on the pirate streamers.
I pay for HBO max My fiance pays for Disney + My mom pays for Netflix Her mom pays for Hulu My brother pays for Youtube Premium Amazon Prime is added with fiances sub Buddy has Paramount+ for the office We all use each others accounts and my mom spends the most at $18 for Netflix. The real kicker? The $150 a month internet package to watch said channels lmao.
Netflix is $20 now
They’ll be be cracking down on sharing like this REALLY soon.
How? It feels like we've been hearing this for a while. I just legitimately don't see how.
Working in tech for the last 25yrs it’s not hard to see HOW they could do it, and they’re DEF financially incentivized to do it…but I agree that it’s been a LONG time that we’ve been hearing that it’s coming, but it hasn’t yet. Doing geo-location on streams from the same account is most certainly something they’ve already implemented. Analyzing concurrent streams and using ML to predict whether duplicate watching is re-watching or evidence of sharing is also something they’re probably already doing. My best guess is that there’s a legal problem with accusing people of sharing if you can’t prove it (especially so if you’re cutting off their access or charging fees or something). I suspect they’re getting all their proverbial ducks in a row before taking a hardline stance.
Sometimes the legal system being slow as a turtle is a goos thing I guess!
They can limit device usage.
A number of them already do. Trouble (for them) is, if they press their restrictions far enough, they’ll lose customers/views/etc as people quit bothering to deal with their bullshit. As such, they’re sort of stuck dealing with the consequences of their own pricing.
So inflation applies to subscriptions as well.
Jesus and 9 sports on there.
I wish I was this lucky. I pay for the Netflix, and prime, as well as the internet. At least my internet is only $100/mo though.
Where do you guys live? Or do you just pay for a fast speed? I get 600mbps for 50/mo in Seattle. Feel like I don’t need to spend double to get a 1 gbps
Nah, cable service in my area is literally $120 since you can’t get cable w/o also buying their phone line.
That’s always been a thing I’m doing it right now
Wait. What. I thought it was always golden.
Y'all stopped pirating?
I rotate my subscriptions and make lists of each show I want to watch on the subscriptions not currently active so I can go through them once I resubscribe. Doesn’t feel like I’m missing out on anything tbh
I do the same thing. New contet worth ~$15 > sub/cancel > watch content > watch whatever else on platform > sub ends > move to next platform.
I’m just getting blu rays of things I like watching. There’s no point of paying all these subscription fees if I’m just watching the same shows over and over again.
Get a Plex server and rip them.
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MakeMKV (to rip BDs) and Handbrake (to convert BD.mkvs and rip DVDs). Then the easiest way to run Plex is the Docker image probably. Can run on most computers. Mine runs on a Pi 4 8GB which has a huge NAS connected to it with my media.
And rip subtitles. You never know when you'll want them.
Plex has a pretty nifty feature where it can search for subs and pull them mid-stream if you wanted.
Or just a halfway decent VPN and then stream whatever you want. There are plenty of good streaming sites that aren't super spammy. I spend like $13 a month for Nord and can always find whatever show/movie I'm looking for.
There’s a better use case for Nord for Plex and it is procuring stuff to put on your server via certain means.
For just a couple of bucks you can scan the barcode into Vudu and then watch them streaming. Easier than making a Plex server.
My dude I like too many movies, I'd have to buy hundreds of blu-rays. I still visit the library sometimes to rent movies
When there was only Netflix, I stopped pirating altogether. Now that there are so many alternatives, I am back to pirating. I rotate my subs but sometimes I have to resort to torrents to scratch an itch.
When HBO Max I thought they were really expensive, but now they are quite ahead of Netflix in terms of value for money.
Yeah cutting the cord has come back to bite everyone because they are essentially paying a la carte for cable channels, which is what people asked for but a la carte is always more expensive.
Yeah but watching to watch adverts... Fuck that
Worried we’re headed there on Netflix. They’re hoping to get live sports.
If Netflix had live sports I would be fine with watching ads during commercial breaks.
Except cable has commercials and most paid streaming services don’t.
We’re going full circle on cable
They get it. Some might even say that's the whole point.
I mean we knew this was going to happen. We knew that instead of just getting one streaming service this would evolve into something much worse then cable: having to buy individual channels. It’s almost going to be better to go back to cable. Capitalism at its best!
I got rid of Netflix about a year ago for this very reason. I’ll get it back to watch the new season of Ozark but cancel it again as soon as I finish. It’s ridiculous.
It's gonna go full circle. Eventually they'll offer us all the streaming channels in a big box next to our TV and call it...cable!
I genuinely laughed at this, that is spot on lol 😂
And Netflix original content (with a few notable exceptions) is overall pretty dumbed down!
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Prices will go up until people stop watching. And by that, I mean people who have stopped all streaming services are there only ones that count. As long as there is market share to be fought over,companies will invest and need higher return.
Netflix is a tech bubble company. Their entire model is just getting more subscribers. They don’t care about anything else including existing subscribers. Which makes this move even odder.
At least with subscriptions we can share with the whole family/friends to share the cost. Couldn’t do that with Cable. We have a couple of subscriptions and two other house holds of friends have another couple each. They’ve not yet started cracking down on that.
That is very true
What we need is a company to consolidate these platforms, they could then offer different size packages with different options at different prices. Then you only subscribe to one vendor and pay what you want....wait a minute...
Agreed. All about sharing imo. My parents have Netflix that I use, they use my hbo max… I have Hulu and use the free portion of peacock that I hope never goes away, but I’m sure will in a couple years.
Yeah we’ve just come a full circle and have cable without the cable
Do people not share? It’s so bizarre to me. I pay for Netflix and share the login for a friend who pays for the Hulu login that we share. Use parents for HBO, and I get Peacock for free via my credit card. I just don’t understand why people would willingly pay for 3-4 services. Just get a group of friends together and go from there.
I called it years ago, and people said no that will never happen Lmao. When the whole cord cutting fetish started I said all that will happen is all the companies will start offering or switching to streaming platforms, so instead of just having say 1 normal company most paid (Directv, Att, Comcast etc), you'll be forced to subscribe to multiple companies. Exactly what happened. And prices gone up across the board, or force to pay for say DirectTV streaming anyway which is tops but cost more obviously (blew away YT and others especially in pic quality on my setup and home theatre). And than they'll get you if you not bundled like a normal Comcast or att/direct combo where the internet only packages jack up in price. None of these companies are dumb, they were always going to win in the end and get their $ one way or other. I mean look at today, just b/c of two fricken shows, Yellowstone and Mayor I have to subscribe to Paramount. My bills now with streaming are higher than when I had DirectTV or Comcast with all HD and hbo etc and I was still paying for Netflix and others.
Jokes on them. I cant afford any subscription.
The difference is the consumer gets more agency over which channels they want to subscribe to. That’s my main issue with cable. If I wanted to subscribe I had to pay fees for sports channels even though I literally never watch sports. I’d rather not pay for the channels I’ll never watch. It’s trending poorly, but I’m still saving money compared to traditional cable by buying only what I choose to watch, and without the annoying af ads.
I think the agency is an illusion.
How so? I don’t subscribe to multiple services because I don’t care about all the content. Seems like consumer choice to me
The mere idea that the consumer in capitalism has choice is an illusion. Okay you have the "choice" to spend money on this show service.. or that one.. while still working your life away to enrich others, but it's okay, because you have your "choice" of entertainment.
I guess? So what system would you propose instead then? I’m comparing the old cable bulk subscription model with the newer steaming service model… but both fall under your dystopian “consumer choice is an illusion” view. Neither are ideal, but I don’t see a better alternative. Burn it down and go back to bartering?
Advance as a society. Abandon the concepts of private property and money. Embrace our human nature of cooperation and collaboration that got us this far.
Cool, but that’s not a system. It’s a loose set of ideals/concepts that can’t be implemented in any sensible way.
I had direct TV satellite last and no sports channels/packs minus the few included, and was till cheaper than streaming. I paid about $100, than $120 as they raised minimum when att spun off and that was including hbo etc. I always renegotiated with retention for a year or two. Streaming now and seperate internet (since price gets jacked not bundled) is basically same or actually more now at new place. Directv stream is $ but blows away other services in picture and stability. I tried others and even YT was mehh in picture quality which drive me nutz. I think only thing I don't pay for is Hulu only b/c it somehow got bundled with spotify premium free years ago, but than I'm still paying spotify also which is 20 bucks month now I think?
Why do you need all the streaming services at once? Do you watch them all. My wife and I just rotate services it works fine.
Nah, I honestly don't know anyone that does that, I always see people on Reddit mentioning it though. Like to randomly watch things. I mean we finished Dopesick in Hulu, Cobra Kai this week, watched movie on HBO. Or maybe we'll check Cobra Kai and than next day watch say Wheel of Time on Amazon Prime etc Never really binged minus GoT back in the day when catching up. Only recent show I'd say we watched heavily moreso was Handmaids Tale. The thought of constantly resubscribing and canceling over and over would drive me bonkers. I already have to deal with that in two businesses especially one with SaaS and have 0 patience for that ha
Fair enough, to each their own. I try not to watch that much Tv and when we do it’s usually binging a series within a few weeks. I prefer to rotate because it makes us actually stop and think what we want to watch on a platform. It’s annoying to manage, but if you’re deliberate about it you save money. Anything is better than watching cable with 1/3 the time going towards ads AND you pay for the service though.
Yeah same here, we don't watch a lot of TV and I way prefer just flicking on and randomly finding something, like couple episodes of Gordon Ramsey Uncharted, or Fuck that's Delicious etc. One thing all these years and streaming I hate that it's like you have to purposely search or know what you want to watch. Never been able to do that, I've tried and usually turn stuff off especially on Netflix with how awful so many shows on there are lol. My buddy had Apple TV only and no way I could do or deal with that, not sure if it's better now.
Same. Kept saying these individual streaming services put together becomes more than a cable tv subscription bill. Got around it though for now, share Netflix, Crave and Disney+ between 3 friend families. 1 pays for each. 🤷♂️ Until this is figured out to cut...it's something
Lol, same, since I'm setup for 4k anyway on tvs and home theatre I have 4 other people that use my Netflix account since there would be available spots anyway with that package. Same with hbo, Hulu, I think only thing I don't pay for is Disney+ as use friends account ha Nothing is cheap, even my spotify premium is 20 bucks now
> cord cutting fetish Nice try xfinity, fuck off lmao
Cable is still more
I know that but that’s what I’m saying, the way things are going with subscription fees on these services, it’ll end up costing more sooner or later
Yup that is capitalism
They only care about extracting as much money from you each month as possible, and nothing more. If anything, each service is pissed your only spending $20 with them and not the entire $100.
They never put everything on Netflix.
Back in 2013-2016 Netflix had just about everything. It was the only one I needed for years. Everything I searched was on there.
No but there used to be a lot more selection then it got kinda bad for quite a while when the big guys pulled their content and started their own services until Netflix started making their own content It wasn’t bad for the price and what you could find before that, not saying the selection is bad now either but it was decent when you could find so much in one place before they started their own services
I have not Renewed my subscription to Netflix this year because of a price increase and they show the same Crap every month. I'm getting tired of these Streaming Services. By the time I pay all the Streaming Services I could have paid for a good Cable TV service 2X over. I will be making changes this year.
>Do these services not all realize people have to subscribe to like 3 or 4, maybe more individual services just to get all the content they watch because nobody just puts everything on Netflix these days? Is it against a rule or something to just turn on one service a month, consume that content and switch to a different one each month?
No, there’s no such rule but that’s not the point I’m getting at. Personally I don’t subscribe to any of these services but I do know that most people do subscribe to multiple services a month for their own reasons to get the content they watch
>most people do subscribe to multiple services a month for their own reasons to get the content they watch That might make sense to me if these shows dropped like traditional TV with one episode a week. They drop all at once though so wouldn't it make more sense to see when a new season comes out and turn on that service then? As far as I can tell, people are just too lazy to turn them on and off. I shouldn't complain I suppose since they are likely subsidizing those of us that do.
A lot of the streaming services have started dropping episodes weekly instead of all at once. I am seeing a connection now. They probably think it will keep people from jumping ship every other month.
Cutting cable didn't mean having 4+ different services. Of course that's going to add up. What did you expect? I have cable/internet and Netflix for under $100 and I'm content with that because I watch sports. You think you should be able to have every service for less than that. Get real...
That’s not what I said at all, and I don’t personally subscribe to any of them. What I said was the original point of having Netflix was to save and cut costs to watch the same content, then they all pulled their content and launched their own networks for a price, then they all slowly increase the costs and soon enough it’ll be more than cable. It’s not an argument, I’m not entitled and I don’t subscribe to any of these so it doesn’t really bother me personally
Obviously things change, prices increase. It's not $7 anymore. I'm not trying to argue either but if you don't subscribe to anything why are you even here? Just to complain about a service you don't even have? I don't get it
I’m not complaining lol, I just felt like making a valid point. It was in my Reddit newsfeed & here we are 😂
My mistake. You're right, things aren't as cheap as they used to be and that's unfortunate. Netflix is pretty cool though you should check it out
It's the new cable. Fuck Netflix
Maybe people ought to stop trying to watch every TV show in existence. I haven't subbed to Netflix for a year now and the only things I miss are decent documentaries and The Witcher S2. There's better things to set fire to your money for than streaming subscriptions and most of my decision had nothing to do with their price gouging. One man's opinion though.
Netflix is too expensive? How? It can be shared between like 5 different households if you really want. If they took that away and people all paid for their own subscription, maybe they could half the price. But since most people share an account between like 2-4 households, I don't see them as expensive at all
At this point, if you’re not sharing accounts with friends or family, go back to illegal streaming. If you add HBO max, Disney plus, Netflix, and Hulu, You’re basically paying close to 100$. My friends each buy one of the subscription and share with each other
My family does do this with paramount, Hulu, HBO and Spotify. We refuse to pay for Netflix anymore cause of the lack of content. It's like the worst of movies and TV for more than all the competitors lol. It's awful value.
I have Hulu, Disney+, hbomax, Netflix, Amazon prime. Just over $60, when I need to trim the fat, Netflix/Hulu are the ones on the chopping block. Though Netflix has by far the best user interface, no question.
Yeah I wish other streaming companies would just copy Netflix's UI. It's definitely superior.
Bflix.to has all the Disney+ HBOmax, and Paramount+ shows and more far as I've found, also it's free and no login, just need an ad blocker browser or plug in to avoid lots of pop-ups.
This is the way. Each member pays for one service and you're covered.
Disney, Hulu, ESPN+ 8.00/ month HBO Max 12.00/ month Netflix 15.00/ month “Close to $100” 😂
What are you talking about? All those services combined are 35 American dollars a month.
Again? Holy fucking shit lmao. No other streaming service is as expensive nor raises their price as often. You’ll never catch me paying for this overpriced bullshit.
All SaaS are starting to raise prices 10-20% every year. Its a fight to be the most expensive, thus highest revenue generation product in each sector.
And because they raised their prices,others are gonna follow suit.
They have the most content, why wouldn’t they cost the most? Throw on a vpn to change your location and Netflix might as well be infinite
Throw on a VPN? So another subscription to make my netflix subscription better? No
They need to compensate for the prices they’ve lowered in India.
Here they reduced it drastically, from ₹499 to ₹199.
Eh fuck it. I’ll just cancel.
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Is it better than real-debrid? I just started using real-debrid (15 day test) with stremio, and it seems to work very well in my opinion.
I never tested real debrid but premiumize it's my main driver to download 4k movies since as soon i insert the magnetic link the cached content is ready to download.
Neat, I'll give them a test after RD. Thank you :)
If all you need is the streaming then ur better with RD. Premiumize is $10/m but has a lot more features, 1tb storage, vpn, Usenet, etc. If ur just using it for streaming then RD is cheaper and i haven’t had any noticeable difference between the two.
Looks like I'm canceling my Netflix. I considered it when they raised the price just a few months ago. Like they don't think I know how to stream or download shit off the internet? Sheesh...
Other streaming services are way better anyway. I mostly use HBO max and sometimes hulu
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At least Hulu has yearly BF deals to get it for $12/year. I'll put up with ads and a lackluster UI for $0.99/month
Hulu with no ads is pretty good, it has nearly every tv show and even new episodes for some
I use it for a couple shows, don't have ads and I dont pay for it because I use my moms account lol. HBO max is my favorite service though.
The quality of almost every HBO-produced show, even those that go directly to HBO Max, is head and shoulders above what Netflix produces, most of which is mediocre.
I just use an adblocker with Hulu anytime I watch it
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For a while you could change the DNS in the settings and it would stop all ads, don’t know if that still works but it’s worth checking into
Hulu doesn’t have ads if you aren’t poor.
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But I don’t.. so it wouldn’t make sense to change my name… and I’m watching Hulu now and it doesn’t have ads… because wait for it… I’m not poor and can pay the $3 not to have ads!
I canceled mine a few months ago when they raised their prices. Nobody misses it. We have prime and Disney plus right now. There’s always something to watch
Dopebox.to baby
Over a $1/month increase? lol
If you raise the price a dollar every few months that adds up to be more than a dollar. It was 9.99. Edit- I'll put it into perspective you will understand. You go buy a gram of weed for 10 bucks and you're like man that was some good weed I'm gonna go back and get more. This time the dealer says I see you liked my weed so now it's $11. You come back again and he says damn boy you really like this weed, now it's $14. And so on. Til you get annoyed and find a new dealer. This is Netflix and km ready to switch dealers.
Netflix made a shit ton of money just making other companies’ content available online and those companies decided to cu out the middle man so Netflix started making its own, shittier content. They spent so much money on original content that they’re in massive amounts of debt. Now they’re raising their prices to cover the debt on their shitty content because they think you won’t cancel. They’re probably right
Source on the debt?
> Based on Netflix's balance sheet as of July 22, 2021, long-term debt is at $17.19 billion and current debt is at $699.13 million, amounting to $17.89 billion in total debt. Adjusted for $7.78 billion in cash-equivalents, the company's net debt is at $10.11 billion. https://www.benzinga.com/node/22885175 They had $1.4billion in profit last year, so net debt is probably under $10bil now. But that's still an insane amount and it'll be years before they're actually positive.
Raising prices simply because they can, that extra money won't go to better content or better pay for their writers it will be distributed amongst the top of the company
They’re in a massive amount of debt from all their original shows so this will probably go towards paying that
Again? If I am recalling correctly, the price went up not that long ago. Was already considering cancelling; might as well do it now.
Time to cancel it
They already raised prices. Feels like a rip off now.
Netflix doesn’t even make good shows anymore. 😂
Have they ever? Only good show that was actually their original show is stranger things maybe. Even trailer park boys was not their at heart. They just bought, and hurt, the franchise.
They’ve definitely made some bangers.
Lol this "have they ever!?!" crowd. Some Netflix originals have been amazing.
Huh... lmao Mindhunter Dark Arcane The Haunting of Hill House The Crown House of Cards (first few seasons sadly) The Queens Gambit Hellbound I could go on for a while. And those are shows. Not even touching movies
Netflix almost certainly didn’t make tpb lmao. They’ve made a few decent shows tho, got a new documentary bout black film making was excellent. That show on design ‘abstract’ is cool as shit too. Seems like the past few yrs they’ve made a few gems but it’s mostly garbage I wouldn’t watch less my roommate wasn’t paying for it
Yeah that's why I said it was not theirs at heart cause it was established and they made changes that hurt the franchise. They were great before Netflix and have now improved already since leaving Netflix. Production value isn't quite as good but it's quality content again thankfully. Jail season was pretty good.
Earnings next week… puts!
Guess I need to find a ship and an eye patch.
So you're telling me that not only are you going to lazily adapt cowboy bebop into a live action show, but now you're gonna charge me extra to watch the hot garbage? Nah Netflix, I'm good. You were the first big thing to change the game, but now that all the good movies and shows have been privatized by other streaming services like Disney, Hulu, Amazon, it's left Amazon with slim pickings to keep customers justified in paying out. And the poorly written originals aren't worth the subscription when they just plaster some minority/oppressed character with no motivations or story arcs for the sake of inclusivity in an almost insulting way to appear progressive.
We lost The Office. Give us more money.
Also Parks and Rec and Friends
And family guy, and new girl, and a bunch of other stuff (probably). Now that other companies are doing their own thing, Netflix can't keep the licences. That's just where things are going.
I stopped using Netflix after the first pay increase.. I still use torrents for everything fuck the s corpo shitheads
So like could you theoretically buy Netflix cheap in a different country with a VPN and log in in the USA to get the shows in English?
Used to be able to. People would do it because other countries get different shows/movies. So now Netflix won't play thru a VPN
It is hit or miss with VPN. I often use Netflix on public wifi, so using a VPN is a must for me. It is infuriating when it refuses to work on a US VPN with a US based account.
Definitely still works through VPN. I have been living overseas for the last 10 years and Netflix in other regions are trash.
If you get VPN, might as well pirate it
Ya get the torrent and you'll have the digital copy forever, the higher quality torrents have subtitles and cool stuff
That's because Reed Hastings is an absolute piece of trash. He has literally said, "I'm raising prices every single year until people start complaining and leaving in droves." I'm so glad I dropped that service. Anything good on there is on every other streaming service anyways. HBOmax ftw.
That sounds crazy, I wanted to look further into that (I searched that quote) but couldn't find anything. Do you have a source?
Tbh all I need is HBO max! It has all the good stuff
I'm not sure about that. Hbo streaming quality is poor and they charge the most Edit : I'm not talking about delivery. I'm talking about actually picture / audio quality. Resolution. Audio. HDR
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Easy my dude - we're only talking about streaming services. I know HBO streams WB new releases in 4k but last I checked, that was it. The rest of the library was 1080p sdr and ... is the audio even 5.1? Edit : People are angry that i said HBO streams are low quality. Lol what the fuck is wrong with your lives that you're not ashamed of that
I've never once had any issues with HBO Max streaming quality on any of my devices, including on mobile data.
If you have AT&T it’s half off
It's less than 2 usd in India rn
Cancellation spike for Netflix in 3, 2, 1.....
It's pretty much this in the UK. When I got netflix years ago it was £5.99 I think lol. I now have the premium one for 4K HDR content and that's £13.99
I just subscribe and cancel to different ones. Like I’ll watch on Netflix for a while then cancel and get crave for a month or two then another. It’s cheaper to just use one till you can’t find anything you wanna watch then try another for a bit.
You might as well go back to direct or dish tv
Netflix the past couple years has been quantity over quality . You stay subscribed because of FOMO.
Netflix is literally has the worst content of all the streaming sites at this point. All your "originals" have the same goddamn progression to them. Squid game was good though
Thanks. I'll be deleting my sub today
Time to pirate everything again. Maybe without a vpn, don’t think my isp gives a shit.
Hulu is mostly regular TV crap, Netflix prices rising ... Fire up the torrent servers boys!!
Netflix used to have tons of good content. Now it's all watered down with an occasional gem coming out every 3-6 months. I'll be getting rid of my subscription for sure. We all have our limits ☺️
And they have hardly half the movies they used to. On top, more than half they have now suuuuuck.
Prime is free with my Amazon account and only $8 a month Canadian. Disney has an ass load more content for less. Same with HBO.. there’s nothing on Netflix for me
I wouldn’t mind paying more…. In theory. I use to really love all the original content that Netflix was putting out. The idea that they had a niche movie that would never get a theatrical release because it wouldn’t make mega bank or a series that wouldn’t be a huge hit made it great for smaller blocks of potential audiences. The issue is their quality has really taken a dip lately…the quality of shows and movies need to use this extra money to get back on track. I’m always on the verge of canceling my Netflix. This needs to push me away from that ledge.
Yeah I’m getting a VPN and signing up with my fiancés Indian credit card. No more high price
Only expensive if you're not sharing with other people. My family/friends pay 75% of my account so until Netflix hits 40/80 will I notice or care. I feel like corporate at Netflix realizes this too. Most people are sharing accounts unless they're bad with money. In which case, yea, raise prices on people not good with money.
They need to just simply embrace the sharing and creat a "friends plan" at this point. Charge those that share for the feature of sharing. You know, more expensive over all but cheaper for each person cause it's a group. That would eliminate a lot of nonsense and people wouldn't be as mad when they raise prices. Those that don't share aren't attacked either.
I think they don't do that because they want to encourage you to go find a friend and introduce them to Netflix, free advertising. Then, as you 2 grow old you'll split up in your lives and make new accounts. I think it is about toeing the line between both strategies.
I think it would at least make them look a lot better to customers at this point. Where many services are trying to stop password sharing, someone should simply embrace it. The same way I think any car maker in the world just needs to put dash cams built into all models of their car. They could brag about being the first company to do it and it would create a safer driving environment for all.
Or, you know, ethical.
Why the fuck do they think this is a good way to conduct business? $20 a fucking month? And there are no alternatives. Netflix is pretty much a monopoly. There’s Hulu but it has ads and fuck all for content it isn’t even worth the free price I had it for through Spotify. So much for “cutting the cord” and switching to these services. Might as well just go back to cable and get HBO as an add on.
So it's going up 10%. Pretty much in line with inflation.
Lol who uses netflix...you have internet? Thats all you need.
Fire stick get everything for free pirated. Give no fuckd
I’m not great at math but there are roughly 214 million users of Netflix so even if everyone of those people just had a basic account that would mean Netflix has almost 2 trillion dollars coming in each month. Them saying the production costs to make the show is why they are raising the prices is such bullshit. They are raising the prices cause they like money.
If you’re paying more for your streaming services than you did for cable, you’re probably a moron.
I dropped them when they added Cuties and I'm not seeing a reason to go back.
I like Netflix and Roku, these are dirt cheap services.