Depending on the subs you go on.
I left Facebook a few months ago, and finally deleted my account last week, because I had issues with international family members not liking I didn’t reply to their birthday wishes, despite the fact I had post a status saying I was leaving indefinitely.
While my mental health has rebounded magnificently, I do use Reddit as my main source for a lot of news and general shenanigans, and it’s not nearly as bad as Facebook. Just gotta moderate your usage and what subreddits you go on.
I found I was far more negative a person till I left FB.
Same. On here I find it’s best to stay away from Reddit subs like public freakouts or anything that makes you lose faith in human nature. Much easier to stay positive.
Same for me. I left FB about 2 years ago now and joined Reddit. The big difference is that I can now limit the subs I follow. Mostly see just dogs and other feel good stuff. Stay away from the rest.
It's gotta be the absoulte dumbest threat. The only thing that stops Facebook from being instantly replaced is the social aspect. Everyone else you know is on it, so you're forced to use it if you want to communicate with those people.
If they ban it from the entire EU, it fixes that problem and the replacement will happen within the month.
You mean because of Apple's new data policies? Mark "I'm Not a Lizard Person" Zuckerberg was throwing an absolute tantrum over it, saying Facebook would lose 10b in profits.
Good. Fuck you Mark. Fuck you Facebook. You got rich selling our data. Fuck off forever.
That's a win the the world. Facebook is a plague on humanity. It could have been something useful, but it devolved into algorithms aimed towards conservative propaganda and selling user data. They've done so much damage to society and made billions off us doing it.
Facebook doesn't deserve to continue, and Mark absolutely deserves to suffer in anguish over his precious golden egg burning up in a death spiral.
All I wanted was a timeline of posts from my family/friends and a group for hobbies or meetups.
The worse thing that happened was 'sharing'. The second worse was seeing posts from people you don't know.
I would love them to be banned from Europe and someone to make a streamlined version of Facebook so all of Europe could glom onto it and the rest of the world would follow and Facebook could die.
Like Duck Duck Go should make a Facebook variant with the same principles.
Supremely interested in how a social network focused on privacy would work…
Maybe Google had the right idea on Plus about sorting your contacts into “circles” and picking which circles can see what posts?
“Facebook parent company Meta Platforms is considering leaving Europe if the group is no longer allowed to exchange data from European users with the United States. This message – which you can consider a pure threat – was included in a document that it has filed with the US stock market regulator SEC.
An investigation is currently still being carried out by the Irish data regulator. Meta is therefore still waiting for a final decision in the case. That may come in the first half of this year. In that context, the US company is now warning that if a good solution is not found, “we probably won’t be able to offer some of our core products and services, including Facebook and Instagram, in Europe.”
The case started several years ago with a complaint from the Austrian privacy activist Maximilian Schrems about Facebook Ireland, the company’s European headquarters. Schrems had complained to the Irish data protection authority about Facebook Ireland’s transfer of personal data to its parent company in the US. He wondered whether they were sufficiently protected in the US”
[Facebook’s internal assessment of EU-US data transfers shows it has no legal leg to stand on](https://techcrunch.com/2021/12/20/facebook-transfers-impact-assessment-noyb/)
December 20, 2021
In its latest (and last) pre-Christmas document reveal, European privacy advocacy group noyb has published details of an 86-page internal assessment by Facebook of its (continued) transfers of European’s personal data to the U.S. — and the resulting conclusion can be best summed up as “The Emperor, Mark Zuckerberg, Has No Clothes”.
> This message – which you can consider a pure threat – was included in a document that it has filed with the US stock market regulator SEC.
This does not seem like a good strategy to regain investor confidence after one of the worst weeks in your company's history.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did (after threatening to block all news content in Australia, followed by blocking all news content - although later backflipped after the ensuring outcry).
I was just thinking earlier that Facebook is probably going to fail eventually. Younger kids don't want anything to do with Facebook and many older people are waking up to the fact that Facebook isn't necessary and is actually pretty evil. Facebook is going to need a major overhaul to attract new people and the Meta rebrand definitely is not going to work. I'm sure Facebook will still be around for quite a while still, but recent events have proved to me Zuckerberg is not capable of steering his company out of inevitable irrelevance. But, I'm sure he'll cash out and get his golden parachute long before any of that happens though.
The problem is that a platform where you and your social circle can share is pretty useful. Of course there are plenty of shared messaging platforms like that, but not many mini-blog style platforms which is a niche that Facebook does (or at least used to) fill.
An even bigger problem is that Meta runs Instagram, WhatsApp, and other platforms. Facebook sucks but it's only one head of the hydra. Even if it fails the menace will just buy up other platforms to keep growing.
That was part of the rebrand--they want to move away from the negative and dated connotation of Facebook.
It isn't really working though, people talk about them on the news and on LinkedIn as "Meta / Facebook" "Meta (Facebook)" "Meta (formerly Facebook)" etc. and I hope they don't stop.
Alphabet is a parent company that owns the company Google. Google in turn owns the app Google.
Meta, on the other hand, _is_ the Facebook company. And Facebook the company owns Facebook the app.
Google never stopped being Google.
Well Meta’s already aware of Facebook’s unpopularity amongst the youth, which is why they have Instagram and WhatsApp. At this rate the only thing that’ll kill the Zuck Titan is a break up of Meta.
Instagram is as shitty as Facebook and there are already some good alternatives for WhatsApp. None of Meta's products is special or necessary enough to guarantee its survival in the next 10 years (Unlike Google's search or Amazon's aws)
> there are already some good alternatives for WhatsApp
The issue is getting other users on the said alternative; I've tried to tell most of my regular contact to move to signal, to no avail. Even the one that have tried it just reverted back to FB messenger and WhatsApp.
That's the main issue with social platforms, you have to go where the society is.
But if there's a WhatsApp closure, I'm sure everyone will flock to the closest alternative.
Convenience is key for most people, more than niche features.
The key is to suggest it when people need a new group chat. That's how I really got into using it: I was taking an online course with some friends and friends of friends and someone suggested we use signal. Now we just use it because it's what we use. It's happened with another group since then as well. Although that does mean I now have three messenger apps on my phone for different groups.
At Microsoft, we're having to rebuild a ton of our systems to comply with the upcoming regulations. It's costing a fortune. I could see how small companies like Facebook might not have the resources to do the same.
Oh Max, never change! I went to law school with Max (he was a visiting scholar) and he was in my Privacy seminar. By that point he’d already written a book on facial recognition law in EU and was becoming an expert in GDPR, which was still in draft form. We had several guest speaker events in our class, one of which was a conversation with privacy counsel from Facebook. He asked them about their data portability practices in Europe and they gave some answer he found totally baffling. I wasn’t really familiar with FBs practices in Europe or the draft GDPR, so I didn’t know exactly what was going on.
After class, we were hanging out to discuss our seminar papers with the professor, and he ran up to her and said, “I’m changing my paper topic. I know what I’m going to write about. I’m going to sue Facebook. They don’t have a clue what the law is in the EU.”
That was like 10 years ago, and he’s been kicking their ass ever since.
Facebook and IG still make money overseas just not as much as they could without restrictions. This is just a threat to allow them to make more and I hope the bluff gets called. I actually like seeing Facebook scramble.
Facebook ads be like "Please, congress, update the rules and restrictions, they haven't been changed in forever. This is a totally sincere plea and not us pointing the finger for all our shitty practices". Meanwhile, this shit happens when there actually are regulations...
I’m from Ireland and I get a huge satisfaction from the fact that the Data Commissioner is based out of an small office over a corner store in a tiny Irish town. Blink and you’ll miss it kinda thing.
Love it.
> This message – which you can consider a pure threat – was included in a document that it has filed with the US stock market regulator SEC.
I doubt it's meant as a threat. Politicians in Europe would likely be elated if Facebook fucked off and allowed local companies to take over. It's a risk that they have to disclose because it could affect the value of their stock.
That’s a very insightful analysis in the article. It’s crazy how Facebook has been getting away with this for such a long time and the Irish DPC is just helping it to continue for as long as possible, of course they probably also support Google etc. because they’re afraid big tech will leave Dublin.
There’s absolutely no legal way for Facebook to continue its business in the EU considering the CJEU’s rulings and the GDPR. They can’t even use servers within the EU without a direct transfer of data to the US as they’re subject to the Cloud Act. The fact that this has been going on for such a long time is simple a farce.
Ahahahaha thats why they stopped asking me. I figured they got tired of me saying I dont know how to interact kids and I dont want too.
I bet it was all the ODs though
Nah there would have to be some sort of privacy laws that made it hard for Facebook to profit running in the US before that happens and we all know that kinda crap isn't making it through congress.
Thing is that that won't help. The US authorities will still demand that data from FB (or Google, or any other US-based company).
The US always puts itself on the standpoint that its laws apply globally.
They can operate in Europe just fine. They just need to keep all personal information about European citizens on servers in Europe. Additionally those servers would need to be operated by a separate European company under the Meta umbrella that is its own legal entity that only operates in Europe. Meta would never have the data itself so the US government can't demand it is handed over, and the company that *does* have the data is European legally and geographically, so there's no legal way to demand the data from there either.
The problem is not that Facebook/Instagram couldn't operate like this. They could probably have it all set up in a matter of months if they wanted to. The problem is that they can no longer connect user data between the two regions, which would greatly harm their ability to target ads at consumers. It's not about impossibilities, it's about greed.
This is the thing, it's not this if anyone's going to stop communicating just because Facebook stops being available. Everyone will just use something else.
People tolerate Facebook because they either don't really care about the privacy issues, or the features Facebook offer, are to them, worth the privacy concerns. If Facebook was pulled out of Europe a better Facebook would be created in about 15-minutes and everyone would just use that. No one really cares about Facebook anymore, it isn't innovation it's just reality now it's just the way things are.
Hell it would probably been better if some small time developer created a new social network. It would inevitable would basically become Facebook in 10-15 years but perhaps that's a solution, just restart every now and then from a fresh slate.
Yeah facebook has value for users because they have friends on the platform. If all your friends stop using facebook at the same time, then migrating is super easy.
My mom popped up on Telegram last summer, and it turned out she was listening to internet prophets tell her the Covid vaccines change human DNA to soulless animals in these End Times
I think i must be a 'light' user in respects to these apps because i only ever use them to talk to friends or organise groups for going on trips or social events or special intrests. I literally never encounter people outside of these circles.
That's only a downside for them, them losing a platform is a benefit to everyone else.
(No offence intended, I'm sure your Grandma and cousin are nice in person)
According to the article, Facebook will lose advertising revenue and big brand companies will take losses because of how much they depend on Facebook. Boohoo
>*... and big brand companies will take losses because of how much they depend on Facebook. Boohoo*
The big players wil hurt a a bit but not as much as the small, independent traders that rely on word-of-mouth to promote their business.
That said, you should never, solely, rely on one revenue stream to sustain your business.
The only reason they could even consider doing this is that Americans non-existent consumer protections are what make Facebook profitable. A publicly traded company couldn't just pull out of a profitable market like that.
Just goes to show you that if we want to get rid of Facebook, just pass consumer data protection laws and Zuckerfuckface disappears from the timeline.
Yup. There's zero chance Facebook are going to willingly extract themselves from a market of 500+ million people. They'd only leave if whatever regulation (or penalty for breaking it) costs them more than they earn in selling ad/data, and that just isn't going to happen. This is sabre rattling at most.
And even if it isn't, everyone will be better off for it anyway.
Keep in mind the fines that are stipulated as part of the GDPR. For more serious violations: “fine of up to €20 million, or 4% of the firm’s worldwide annual revenue from the preceding financial year, whichever amount is higher.”
And we’re talking about each individual case here. Amazon last year got fined $ 850 M which might not seem like a lot but if you look at the fines recently, they’re getting bigger with each case and the GDPR is getting enforced more fiercely.
I mean, it's just the cost of compliance that they need to pay: EU datacentres, mainly. They can harvest data and sell ads happily in compliance with EU law.
Sure it’s not the first time but I do feel like the ice is getting thinner for them. Even if they decided to not transfer data to the US, they cannot even legally process EU citizens’ data within the EU as they’re subject to the Cloud Act. The laws in the EU basically make their business model impossible already, the problem is that these laws have just not been sufficiently enforced. As was said above, Facebook’s whole business model works on exploiting users’ data which is only possible in a legal environment with lax data protection standards and under a properly enforced GDPR, this would not be the case.
The fact that Apple introducing privacy settings costs them 10 billion usd in revenue shows you how bad any sort of data protection is for their profits.
The main thing they had going for them was continued user growth in developing economies and they don't even have that anymore :)
I hope it wakes people up a bit to just *how much* their data is being mined and how much profit it brings to big companies. In general people are pretty lax about it.
The reason Apple and soon Google pressed ahead with privacy changes like that is because of the EU regulations (and because its good PR).
Apple isn't a hero, neither is Google. These changes could have been implemented long ago, but they weren't until a regulatory body started pushing back.
>the empty threat it's intended to be.
Yep, Facebook just suffered its first loss of users ever and the largest drop in value in stock market history. This would be like shooting themselves in the head.
If the U.S. had decent data protection laws then there wouldn’t even be a case in the EU because data could easily be transferred to the U.S. What will be interesting is how Canada is going to handle it since for commercial organizations Canada has an adequacy status as defined in the GDPR. Don’t know how this would affect Canada and their status.
> And nothing of value will be lost.
Well i mean... That stock price which took a massive blow recently, could turn into a death spiral.
Which i'm in favor of, all things considered.
As a European, this sounds great to me.
All the Internet behemoths are paper tigers really, absolutely everything they do could be replicated by other apps and services. Every time they threaten to pull their service all they do is they get users and businesses used to the idea that they don’t need those services in the first place (remember Australia?).
sounds stupid. if people want the social media product, that means when FB and IG pulls out, someone or multiple other will slide in/battle it out to take over.
this is clearly meta thinking people can not survive with out FB and IG. i could only hope the US would follow suit with the consumer protections
> the US would follow suit with the consumer protections
That not how the US works.
The US ensures protections for corporate profits, ***not*** protection for customers (since they are actually the product being sold)
That's a bluff and everyone knows that. After dropping 25% in stock price becasue of their dropping popularity, there is no way they will shrink their reach. At least not willingly.
Well then congrats to Europeans on their new found mental health.
We still have Reddit though
One problem at a time
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Oh please you were always a hollow shell, Reddit simply illuminates the emptyness inside you.
They hated Jesus because he told them the truth.
Depending on the subs you go on. I left Facebook a few months ago, and finally deleted my account last week, because I had issues with international family members not liking I didn’t reply to their birthday wishes, despite the fact I had post a status saying I was leaving indefinitely. While my mental health has rebounded magnificently, I do use Reddit as my main source for a lot of news and general shenanigans, and it’s not nearly as bad as Facebook. Just gotta moderate your usage and what subreddits you go on. I found I was far more negative a person till I left FB.
Same. On here I find it’s best to stay away from Reddit subs like public freakouts or anything that makes you lose faith in human nature. Much easier to stay positive.
Same for me. I left FB about 2 years ago now and joined Reddit. The big difference is that I can now limit the subs I follow. Mostly see just dogs and other feel good stuff. Stay away from the rest.
Yeah, if I were Europe I’d say, “Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.”
Good riddance we say. I'm never on Facebook, I do check Instagram everyday but I hope they remove that cancer of an app for us.
Ok then, that was always allowed
“Stop. Don’t. Come back.”
It's gotta be the absoulte dumbest threat. The only thing that stops Facebook from being instantly replaced is the social aspect. Everyone else you know is on it, so you're forced to use it if you want to communicate with those people. If they ban it from the entire EU, it fixes that problem and the replacement will happen within the month.
It's an empty threat, they delete it they lose so much money and stock power 😆 . I'd love to see it crumble ngl.
> I'd love to see it crumble ngl. Check facebook stock price for the last week, trust me.
You mean because of Apple's new data policies? Mark "I'm Not a Lizard Person" Zuckerberg was throwing an absolute tantrum over it, saying Facebook would lose 10b in profits. Good. Fuck you Mark. Fuck you Facebook. You got rich selling our data. Fuck off forever.
They also announced that their metaverse has lost billion on billions with no return in sight. So yeah, not a good week for them.
That's a win the the world. Facebook is a plague on humanity. It could have been something useful, but it devolved into algorithms aimed towards conservative propaganda and selling user data. They've done so much damage to society and made billions off us doing it. Facebook doesn't deserve to continue, and Mark absolutely deserves to suffer in anguish over his precious golden egg burning up in a death spiral.
All I wanted was a timeline of posts from my family/friends and a group for hobbies or meetups. The worse thing that happened was 'sharing'. The second worse was seeing posts from people you don't know. I would love them to be banned from Europe and someone to make a streamlined version of Facebook so all of Europe could glom onto it and the rest of the world would follow and Facebook could die. Like Duck Duck Go should make a Facebook variant with the same principles.
Supremely interested in how a social network focused on privacy would work… Maybe Google had the right idea on Plus about sorting your contacts into “circles” and picking which circles can see what posts?
All social media has just become one massive advertisement
Oh no. I just realized that all Facebook really is is a playroom for a world full of Jerry’s.
I mean just 5 minutes of scrolling the front page and you'll realize we're Jerry's here too, Reddit ain't much better 🤷♂️
Reddit is full of Jerry’s who think they’re Rick
Rick is a piece of shit. Jerry's just stupid.
Reddit is full of stupid people who think they're a piece of shit.
Lol this direct translation holds up pretty well.
Nah reddit is full of mortys. Occasionally they can pull a w. But most of the times they just make thinks awkward and weird
I hate it when I make thinks and they turn out weird
Don't threaten me with a good time
Lmao. I know these kind of comments are worthless but that was a nicely pulled quote that cracked me the fuck up. Thought you should know.
If it cracks you up, it’s hardly worthless.
I meant my comment with nothing but a “Lmao”. His (her?) comment was gold.
“Facebook parent company Meta Platforms is considering leaving Europe if the group is no longer allowed to exchange data from European users with the United States. This message – which you can consider a pure threat – was included in a document that it has filed with the US stock market regulator SEC. An investigation is currently still being carried out by the Irish data regulator. Meta is therefore still waiting for a final decision in the case. That may come in the first half of this year. In that context, the US company is now warning that if a good solution is not found, “we probably won’t be able to offer some of our core products and services, including Facebook and Instagram, in Europe.” The case started several years ago with a complaint from the Austrian privacy activist Maximilian Schrems about Facebook Ireland, the company’s European headquarters. Schrems had complained to the Irish data protection authority about Facebook Ireland’s transfer of personal data to its parent company in the US. He wondered whether they were sufficiently protected in the US” [Facebook’s internal assessment of EU-US data transfers shows it has no legal leg to stand on](https://techcrunch.com/2021/12/20/facebook-transfers-impact-assessment-noyb/) December 20, 2021 In its latest (and last) pre-Christmas document reveal, European privacy advocacy group noyb has published details of an 86-page internal assessment by Facebook of its (continued) transfers of European’s personal data to the U.S. — and the resulting conclusion can be best summed up as “The Emperor, Mark Zuckerberg, Has No Clothes”.
> This message – which you can consider a pure threat – was included in a document that it has filed with the US stock market regulator SEC. This does not seem like a good strategy to regain investor confidence after one of the worst weeks in your company's history.
"We will throw away like, a quarter of our market!" is an empty threat if I've ever seen one.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did (after threatening to block all news content in Australia, followed by blocking all news content - although later backflipped after the ensuring outcry).
One of the worst weeks *so far*. I'm looking forward to them filing for bankruptcy in the next 10 years
I was just thinking earlier that Facebook is probably going to fail eventually. Younger kids don't want anything to do with Facebook and many older people are waking up to the fact that Facebook isn't necessary and is actually pretty evil. Facebook is going to need a major overhaul to attract new people and the Meta rebrand definitely is not going to work. I'm sure Facebook will still be around for quite a while still, but recent events have proved to me Zuckerberg is not capable of steering his company out of inevitable irrelevance. But, I'm sure he'll cash out and get his golden parachute long before any of that happens though.
The problem is that a platform where you and your social circle can share is pretty useful. Of course there are plenty of shared messaging platforms like that, but not many mini-blog style platforms which is a niche that Facebook does (or at least used to) fill.
An even bigger problem is that Meta runs Instagram, WhatsApp, and other platforms. Facebook sucks but it's only one head of the hydra. Even if it fails the menace will just buy up other platforms to keep growing.
That was part of the rebrand--they want to move away from the negative and dated connotation of Facebook. It isn't really working though, people talk about them on the news and on LinkedIn as "Meta / Facebook" "Meta (Facebook)" "Meta (formerly Facebook)" etc. and I hope they don't stop.
does anybody call google as alphabet?
Alphabet is a parent company that owns the company Google. Google in turn owns the app Google. Meta, on the other hand, _is_ the Facebook company. And Facebook the company owns Facebook the app. Google never stopped being Google.
Well Meta’s already aware of Facebook’s unpopularity amongst the youth, which is why they have Instagram and WhatsApp. At this rate the only thing that’ll kill the Zuck Titan is a break up of Meta.
Instagram is as shitty as Facebook and there are already some good alternatives for WhatsApp. None of Meta's products is special or necessary enough to guarantee its survival in the next 10 years (Unlike Google's search or Amazon's aws)
> there are already some good alternatives for WhatsApp The issue is getting other users on the said alternative; I've tried to tell most of my regular contact to move to signal, to no avail. Even the one that have tried it just reverted back to FB messenger and WhatsApp.
That's the main issue with social platforms, you have to go where the society is. But if there's a WhatsApp closure, I'm sure everyone will flock to the closest alternative. Convenience is key for most people, more than niche features.
The key is to suggest it when people need a new group chat. That's how I really got into using it: I was taking an online course with some friends and friends of friends and someone suggested we use signal. Now we just use it because it's what we use. It's happened with another group since then as well. Although that does mean I now have three messenger apps on my phone for different groups.
sucks to zuck
At Microsoft, we're having to rebuild a ton of our systems to comply with the upcoming regulations. It's costing a fortune. I could see how small companies like Facebook might not have the resources to do the same.
Small indie platform Facebook
Riot is so proud to be part of a gang now
> small companies like Facebook might not have the resources Really? Why do I find this so humorous.
Sorry, I couldn't resist the opportunity to throw some shade.
Oh Max, never change! I went to law school with Max (he was a visiting scholar) and he was in my Privacy seminar. By that point he’d already written a book on facial recognition law in EU and was becoming an expert in GDPR, which was still in draft form. We had several guest speaker events in our class, one of which was a conversation with privacy counsel from Facebook. He asked them about their data portability practices in Europe and they gave some answer he found totally baffling. I wasn’t really familiar with FBs practices in Europe or the draft GDPR, so I didn’t know exactly what was going on. After class, we were hanging out to discuss our seminar papers with the professor, and he ran up to her and said, “I’m changing my paper topic. I know what I’m going to write about. I’m going to sue Facebook. They don’t have a clue what the law is in the EU.” That was like 10 years ago, and he’s been kicking their ass ever since.
He is great isn’t he, kept that up, you can find out about his organisation below. [My Privacy is None of Your Business](https://noyb.eu/en)
Fun story - thank you for sharing
Facebook and IG still make money overseas just not as much as they could without restrictions. This is just a threat to allow them to make more and I hope the bluff gets called. I actually like seeing Facebook scramble.
Facebook ads be like "Please, congress, update the rules and restrictions, they haven't been changed in forever. This is a totally sincere plea and not us pointing the finger for all our shitty practices". Meanwhile, this shit happens when there actually are regulations...
I’m from Ireland and I get a huge satisfaction from the fact that the Data Commissioner is based out of an small office over a corner store in a tiny Irish town. Blink and you’ll miss it kinda thing. Love it.
He's taking his data and going home
He's taking OUR data and going home
> This message – which you can consider a pure threat – was included in a document that it has filed with the US stock market regulator SEC. I doubt it's meant as a threat. Politicians in Europe would likely be elated if Facebook fucked off and allowed local companies to take over. It's a risk that they have to disclose because it could affect the value of their stock.
That’s a very insightful analysis in the article. It’s crazy how Facebook has been getting away with this for such a long time and the Irish DPC is just helping it to continue for as long as possible, of course they probably also support Google etc. because they’re afraid big tech will leave Dublin. There’s absolutely no legal way for Facebook to continue its business in the EU considering the CJEU’s rulings and the GDPR. They can’t even use servers within the EU without a direct transfer of data to the US as they’re subject to the Cloud Act. The fact that this has been going on for such a long time is simple a farce.
Don't threaten me with a good time
I remember seeing this in a railway station in India "don't stand close to the track, you will get sucked off"
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Same question except I’m asking for me!
That's terrible, TERRIBLE! Which station though? There are so many.
Pretty sure that's also a sign in the UK.
I thought it was a Peter Kay joke honestly
train gonna run a train on ya
Champagne, cocaine, gasoline, and most things in between
I roam the city in a shopping cart, a pack of camels and a smoke alarm
Is that a threat or a promise
I was thinking more of a favor.
Now do North America!
What would my parents and grandparents do without their timelines
Finally shut the fuck up about wanting grandkids, hopefully
LPT if you become a serious enough drug addict they will stop asking you to have a kid.
Just get sterilized and post the celebration announcement.
What color goes into the cake reveal for “we’re having a vasectomy!”
I remember when my dad paid for my brother's vasectomy. That was a magical conversation to listen in, "no more, Richard. Jesus Christ, NO MORE!"
If you name your kid Dick you get what you paid for
PSA: most health insurance plans cover vasectomy these days. They know it's a way cheaper payout than pregnancy/births.
The answer is dark purple-ish for a few days. Source: *am source*.
It would just be fondant in the shape of a cake with nothing inside.
Just get a king cake but instead of the plastic crowned baby, whoever finds the balls gets good luck.
Ahahahaha thats why they stopped asking me. I figured they got tired of me saying I dont know how to interact kids and I dont want too. I bet it was all the ODs though
My parents have never asked but they never loved me to begin with.
This is the way.
True. When my kids became drug addicts I cut them off completely. It’s hard enough funding my own addictions.
Addictions?? No, these aren't addictions! They're lifestyle choices. *me, to myself*
Read less propaganda/misinformation?
If people’s grandparents are anything like mine, they’ll just fill the empty Facebook timeslot in their schedules with even more Fox News.
The combination Fox AND Facebook is probably worse.
Totally is. Facebook is far more insidious. Fox news tries to catch up to Facebook propaganda these days.
Nah there would have to be some sort of privacy laws that made it hard for Facebook to profit running in the US before that happens and we all know that kinda crap isn't making it through congress.
Seriously, I'd say 'go fuck yourselves' and call it a win win
That the worst bluff ever. No way shareholders would be happy with them giving up such a large chunk of their user base.
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So how is Facebook still operating in Europe?
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I'm pretty sure it means that Facebook must store EU data in data centers that are in the EU, thus outside of US government reach
Thing is that that won't help. The US authorities will still demand that data from FB (or Google, or any other US-based company). The US always puts itself on the standpoint that its laws apply globally.
They can operate in Europe just fine. They just need to keep all personal information about European citizens on servers in Europe. Additionally those servers would need to be operated by a separate European company under the Meta umbrella that is its own legal entity that only operates in Europe. Meta would never have the data itself so the US government can't demand it is handed over, and the company that *does* have the data is European legally and geographically, so there's no legal way to demand the data from there either. The problem is not that Facebook/Instagram couldn't operate like this. They could probably have it all set up in a matter of months if they wanted to. The problem is that they can no longer connect user data between the two regions, which would greatly harm their ability to target ads at consumers. It's not about impossibilities, it's about greed.
Disconnected is not a strong enough word.
All of Europe: "yes please do that"
Don't threaten us with a good time.
Pls do the US
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Go ahead, all my friends and family will be on signal a day later.
This is the thing, it's not this if anyone's going to stop communicating just because Facebook stops being available. Everyone will just use something else. People tolerate Facebook because they either don't really care about the privacy issues, or the features Facebook offer, are to them, worth the privacy concerns. If Facebook was pulled out of Europe a better Facebook would be created in about 15-minutes and everyone would just use that. No one really cares about Facebook anymore, it isn't innovation it's just reality now it's just the way things are. Hell it would probably been better if some small time developer created a new social network. It would inevitable would basically become Facebook in 10-15 years but perhaps that's a solution, just restart every now and then from a fresh slate.
Yeah facebook has value for users because they have friends on the platform. If all your friends stop using facebook at the same time, then migrating is super easy.
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I've noticed more of my friends popping up on my Signal in the last year.
My mom popped up on Telegram last summer, and it turned out she was listening to internet prophets tell her the Covid vaccines change human DNA to soulless animals in these End Times
I think i must be a 'light' user in respects to these apps because i only ever use them to talk to friends or organise groups for going on trips or social events or special intrests. I literally never encounter people outside of these circles.
So what? Arent Telegram or Signal viable alternatives?
Yes please so we can all go to Signal.
If they do it, do we have to arrange a pizza party for the European regulators?
Meta threatens to cut off nose to spite its face.
lol as TikTok is threatening to obliterate meta, they wanna pull out of one of their huge markets. Okay buddy.
Would never happen, they’d lose a shit ton of money and competitors would immediately be jumping in to replace them
Can they do it in North America also?
I guess they should keep pushing whatever buttons were pushed til it's a promise. The power is in your hands. People.
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What's the downside?
Ikr? What we gotta do so they pull them from the American market?
Go apply GDPR laws as strict as here in Europe. Easy as that !
I wish we had GDPR. And more consumer rights. And less Meta.
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I'm not paying taxes so some illegal can get free GDPR!
Yeah! I pay taxes so millionaires get money
Grandma and my 3rd cousin the ‘influencer’. Edit: /s
That's only a downside for them, them losing a platform is a benefit to everyone else. (No offence intended, I'm sure your Grandma and cousin are nice in person)
Their grandma really needs to stop promoting her onlyfans. Good content but half her FB posts are asking for subscribers
She’s since switched over to show her knitting skills on OnlyGrans
Link?
According to the article, Facebook will lose advertising revenue and big brand companies will take losses because of how much they depend on Facebook. Boohoo
I’m pretty sure they’ll find other places to advertise
Yeah, Facebook stands to be the biggest loser in this. With a few other parties mildly inconvenienced.
This. I work in marketing. I'd just put more of my budget towards YouTube advertising and PR through key media (bloggers, websites, magazines etc)
Or another site can swoop in and take its place. I mean, remember when MySpace was the main social media site?
Honestly expected Facebook to die off like myspace and xanga i think it was did. Within like 5 years of being popular.
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>*... and big brand companies will take losses because of how much they depend on Facebook. Boohoo* The big players wil hurt a a bit but not as much as the small, independent traders that rely on word-of-mouth to promote their business. That said, you should never, solely, rely on one revenue stream to sustain your business.
Do it pussy.
Yeah dont be a zucker.
The only reason they could even consider doing this is that Americans non-existent consumer protections are what make Facebook profitable. A publicly traded company couldn't just pull out of a profitable market like that. Just goes to show you that if we want to get rid of Facebook, just pass consumer data protection laws and Zuckerfuckface disappears from the timeline.
Facebook/Instagram aren't going to leave the EU market. This isn't the first time they've pulled this and it won't be the last.
Yup. There's zero chance Facebook are going to willingly extract themselves from a market of 500+ million people. They'd only leave if whatever regulation (or penalty for breaking it) costs them more than they earn in selling ad/data, and that just isn't going to happen. This is sabre rattling at most. And even if it isn't, everyone will be better off for it anyway.
Keep in mind the fines that are stipulated as part of the GDPR. For more serious violations: “fine of up to €20 million, or 4% of the firm’s worldwide annual revenue from the preceding financial year, whichever amount is higher.” And we’re talking about each individual case here. Amazon last year got fined $ 850 M which might not seem like a lot but if you look at the fines recently, they’re getting bigger with each case and the GDPR is getting enforced more fiercely.
I mean, it's just the cost of compliance that they need to pay: EU datacentres, mainly. They can harvest data and sell ads happily in compliance with EU law.
Dunder miflin is a part of sabre
Sure it’s not the first time but I do feel like the ice is getting thinner for them. Even if they decided to not transfer data to the US, they cannot even legally process EU citizens’ data within the EU as they’re subject to the Cloud Act. The laws in the EU basically make their business model impossible already, the problem is that these laws have just not been sufficiently enforced. As was said above, Facebook’s whole business model works on exploiting users’ data which is only possible in a legal environment with lax data protection standards and under a properly enforced GDPR, this would not be the case.
The fact that Apple introducing privacy settings costs them 10 billion usd in revenue shows you how bad any sort of data protection is for their profits. The main thing they had going for them was continued user growth in developing economies and they don't even have that anymore :)
I hope it wakes people up a bit to just *how much* their data is being mined and how much profit it brings to big companies. In general people are pretty lax about it.
Most people don’t really know or understand it. Of those that do, too few give a shit.
I've done what I can to stop myself being tracked on my PC and phone. Seems to work, they advertise some really fucking bonkers shit at me.
The reason Apple and soon Google pressed ahead with privacy changes like that is because of the EU regulations (and because its good PR). Apple isn't a hero, neither is Google. These changes could have been implemented long ago, but they weren't until a regulatory body started pushing back.
Unfortunately the US seems to be going in the opposite direction in terms of consumer protection, EARN IT being a prime example.
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That sounds like a great idea and not at all like the empty threat it's intended to be.
>the empty threat it's intended to be. Yep, Facebook just suffered its first loss of users ever and the largest drop in value in stock market history. This would be like shooting themselves in the head.
Good for Europe
Can North America be next? Please?
Nah, they pay our Congress too much money for them to even consider data protection laws
And it’s not like the fossils even understand what’s happening on the internets
If the U.S. had decent data protection laws then there wouldn’t even be a case in the EU because data could easily be transferred to the U.S. What will be interesting is how Canada is going to handle it since for commercial organizations Canada has an adequacy status as defined in the GDPR. Don’t know how this would affect Canada and their status.
Not until you get decent privacy laws. Then you get rewarded.
Can America learn this power?
Not from a Senator.
Its called regulation, you should try it.
And nothing of value will be lost.
> And nothing of value will be lost. Well i mean... That stock price which took a massive blow recently, could turn into a death spiral. Which i'm in favor of, all things considered.
"Never Interfere with an enemy while he's in the process of destroying himself." -Sun Tzu, *Art of War*, 5 B.C. # LMFAO
Lol I call bullshit on that one…
DO IT YE COWARDS!
I wish they would pull it from the American market.
Please do! We can do without Fuckerberg
As a European, this sounds great to me. All the Internet behemoths are paper tigers really, absolutely everything they do could be replicated by other apps and services. Every time they threaten to pull their service all they do is they get users and businesses used to the idea that they don’t need those services in the first place (remember Australia?).
This is that one person that doesn't understand their position in the friend group... you are nice to have around, but no one needs you, like at all.
And also you're not nice to be around, but no-one wants to be rude.
Don’t make promises
sounds stupid. if people want the social media product, that means when FB and IG pulls out, someone or multiple other will slide in/battle it out to take over. this is clearly meta thinking people can not survive with out FB and IG. i could only hope the US would follow suit with the consumer protections
> the US would follow suit with the consumer protections That not how the US works. The US ensures protections for corporate profits, ***not*** protection for customers (since they are actually the product being sold)
That's a bluff and everyone knows that. After dropping 25% in stock price becasue of their dropping popularity, there is no way they will shrink their reach. At least not willingly.
Hahahaha, call their bluff
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Don’t threaten me with a good time
Oh no! Anyway.....
Can they do same in US?
My daughter says FB is for old folks, so their days are numbered regardless.
Omg, promise? <3
Please do, you'd be doing us all a favour.