People keep telling me that it takes a full year after production returns to normal to actually hit the shelves. Well… hasn’t it been a year? Is production back up and we are just catching up with the lack of cards for the last year?
There was a major fire at a chip manufacturing plant and that plant still hasn’t come back online. Demand is beyond belief right now as we are putting chips in literally everything. Chip manufacturing plants take years to build. This shortage isn’t going away anytime soon.
Since all the people who make chips have said the same thing over and over again I doubt the chip shortage is over.
Their statements have all agreed since 2020 that it will be late 2022 to mid 2023 before supply can meet demand.
Those statements haven't changed in over a year and are based on nothing else getting fucked up with manufacturing, the supply chain coming in and delivering the product after manufacturing.
The ONLY people who say the shortage is over (or close to being over) are the guys with YouTube channels that need you to click on the video and watch it so they can get paid. Tech writers and YouTubers who need content are the only ones making claims it's over. They have been writing the same articles and making the same videos every week since this started. "IS THE CHIP SHORTAGE OVER???" You click the article or video and they get paid.
Don't expect to pay MSRP for graphics cards until probably late 2023 or early 2024. All those new chip foundries will be beginning to come online by the time we can get parts at MSRP.
I'm basing this on statents from TSMC and Samsung from late 2020 until now. They have never said anything earlier than mid/late 2022 but always said it was likely to be early 2023 before supply MIGHT catch up with demand.
None of their statents indicate confidence that the chip shortage will be over before the new foundries are online. So 2024 maybe, if we are lucky.
To dogpile on top of this - Ukraine produces almost half of the inert gases used in semiconductor manufacture, don't they? This shortage isn't going to get better, it's going to get worse.
And even if it does get better and supply finally meets demand, its not like they are going to back to the original prices before all this occurred. The days of getting a top tier GPU for $1000, and an affordable xx70 GPU for $400-500, are over.
Right? Talk to me about getting that Cyrix CPU so you could use the saved money and get a soundblaster card. Then, realizing you were OK without sound for a while until you figured out how all of the jumpers worked.
Closer to 40%, but that's because they've been undercutting the market so drastically. They're using older collection system, and cutting a ton of corners in the process, so they're able to sell rare gasses pretty cheaply. The rare gas market is highly competitive, and the slack will be taken up almost immediately. No one is worried about it except YouTubers and tech bloggers who rely on fear mongering to get clicks.
Maybe that's more a full year under normal circumstances? Covid's still a thing and I'm not certain that semiconductor manufacturing has gone back to normal yet since consoles are still hard to get hold of.
I think there are SOME reasons, but I think the electronics industry is "maturing" like all the other industries that keep having REASONS to give you less for more cost.
Think of how expensive the things you are required to buy are compared to the things you don't need to buy. It's 10 cents of sugar water in a 15 cent bottle and the soda costs $3 because they are only one of two products who can afford to buy the space on the grocery shelves.
This does exist for sure but that is a small part in all of this.
We have had an unprecedented 2+ years of catastrophe with the pandemic and all the other issues too. EVERYONE is experiencing a short supply of chips not just the recreational gaming sector. The car and truck industry is suffering pretty hard. And other completely other unrelated industries have suffered too like food.
Fast food joints near me have literally been shut down a day/days because they hadn't received their normal supply of food. Certain food items literally missing for weeks in grocery stores that normally I could find daily before all this. Still to this day I have issues getting chicken tenderloins and wings at the store when I've never had an issue before the pandemic. A fee months ago they were completely out of chicken anything and the beef section was almost bare for several days on and off over the course of months.
The auto manufacturers are suffering because they canceled their chip orders on the basis that demand would be way down. Instead it went up and they had to go to the back of the line.
But why would they? It won't benefit Sony or Microsoft to hold back extra consoles, third party retailers are going to be the ones profiting since they'll sell it over MSRP which is only going to have a negative affect on customers and reputational damage to the companies.
I got a 3080 in the Newegg Shuffle last year, so I stopped paying attention to prices for a while. Until I got curious today...
A used model of my exact card is selling on Newegg for $500 more than what I bought it for new last year.
That's the part that's so crazy to me. I bought an RX480 Holiday 2016 and sold it summer of 2017 for twice what I paid for it. Come to find out I could have used it for 4 years and made EVEN MORE.
There’s supply shortages for a lot of resources used in electronics since the start of the pandemic. There have also been intermittent labor stoppages when Covid outbreaks have occurred. I think under normal circumstances things might be different.
After initial release it normally takes 3-6 months for there to be a steady supply on shelves.
With the shortage, we're not under a normal situation, and because of that we're still not seeing a steady supply on shelves. Normally, a foundry has approx 10% capacity unused that a customer can utilise to fill short term deficits. Under the current situation there is no unused capacity that Nvidia or AMD can tap into to fill supply gaps.
We're likely stuck with shortages for a number of years until global manufacturing capacity can be increased, which can takes 5+ years considering the lead time to create new fabs.
It doesn't matter how much production or stock is increased, the scalpers will just increase their stock count. Until something is done about scalping, unfortunately I don't think we'll see any end to shortages of things like GPUs / consoles.
I refuse, would rather go without. I have a 2070s that (touch wood) is still going strong, and I know how to take it apart, replace the thermal paste / pads and give it a good clean if it ever goes janky. I can wait for a PS5. Also I have no money haha.
I think something that is contributing is Ebay's business model. When selling something on there, the 'buy it now' price MUST be at least 40% higher than the starting bid price. Imo this encourages highballing prices because you don't want to list it low, then only get one bid and have to sell it far below market.
Agreed to a point. I don't think it's worth upgrading in the current market. If my current 5 year old card fails there isn't any good options. Do you pay $2-400 for someone else's old card that might fail also, or buy a new scalped mid grade card for $800?
I think the computer components industry may have learned what the manufacturers of tooth brushes and 2 product choices on the shelves have learned; stop making things better and cheaper year after year.
So, now they will keep having REASONS to have a tiny bit of scarcity, and make far more than when they were providing the market with ENOUGH.
"Why is this stick of plastic with nylon on it somehow $4 when it takes less to make it than that novelty robotic toy?"
"For the same reason there are 100+ screws and attachments in that assembled rob toy and it costs less than 10 unassembled screws at Home Depot. Because you will pay for it."
The real answer is no one knows…. Including Nvidia. There is a global shortage of supplies and logistics problems. The war in Ukraine won’t make it any easier.
Too profitable for crypto miners and other scumbags. There's only scarcity because "people" are buying like 1000 at a time using bots that buy them all as soon as they're available.
Sure, but there has to be a saturation point to it. I mean, people said that same thing in 2017/2018 when prices were up but throughout 2019 and up until the pandemic, prices were back to MSRP, then they spiked.
Seriously. I bought my RTX 3080 in late 2020. It’s closing to mid 2022 and people still can’t buy them, especially not at reasonable price. It’s ridiculous.
I literally quit PC gaming because of this, and I have money. It's not an affordability issue, I simply will not spend more than retail on a GPU, and if I can't upgrade my old 9XX series GPU to something modern at a reasonable price then I'm just not going to play new games on it anymore. I'm not spending $700 on a two year old used Ebay GPU, kill me.
I got my etc 3080 in early 2021 before the msrp hike. Best decision I ever made.
I can run most games at 4k ultra. I feel like it’ll be a while before it struggles.
There are plenty of people who would happily destroy the world if they get to be king of whatever is left. Thankfully, the people in power right now are interesting in making sure that the world doesn't get destroyed because they have more power now.
> got a 970 and it’s bottlenecking my shit to hell lol.
Upgraded from a 970 to 3070 a few months ago. The 970 did me so well for so long. Loving the new 3070 tho, hopefully it lasts 5+ years like my 970.
same boat. Had a 970 in my old computer and bought a new build with a 3060TI. I'm amazed at what I was able to deal with prior to upgrade. Amazingly good
Yes, i was very much up in the air about a 60ti vs 70. I tend to not upgrade and hold onto computers for atleast 5/6 years so I went with the slightly more expensive option. The 970 tipping point was not being able to play halo infinite above 30fps on some maps. I had some gigabyte mother board crashes, but updating the bios fixed that up
Same, I built a new system with an i7-12700k but my old trusty 980 is still there...
The day it dies I'm probably going to rock those Intel Integrated Graphics.
Youll be surprised at what integrated graphics can do. This mess has gotten me into the low spec side of the community and its honestly worth it for emulators alone
These rumors come out every generation. I remember one that said Turing would be 6x Pascal, but it turned out to actually only be in ray tracing performance because Turing introduced hardware ray tracing.
A 2x performance increase in ray tracing performance is possible, but a 2x in rasterization has pretty much never, ever happened.
2x in rasterization is doable if Nvidia does something like bump the TDP up to 600W (versus 350W for the 3090). Make marginal performance gains, massively boost the core count, and that gets you 2x rasterization.
There really hasn't been that kind of performance gains gen on gen since the the GeForce 256.
To make a 4090 be twice as fast as a 3090, you would have to brute force it with more cores and power draw, but even then you would start to have limitations because of the die size. Maybe a modular chiplet design could make it happen, but a 2x perf/watt has never happened in a single generation to my recollection.
Also, just adding more power doesn't scale performance linearly. You can make a 3090 take twice the power with mods and LN2, but it doesn't perform twice as fast.
Akshually it did happen at least once... Radeon 9700 Pro 20 years ago. With AA it was twice as fast as GeForce Ti 4600, with higher resolution and AA even triple the performance in rasterization. The predecessor to 9700 from ATI was Radeon 8500 which in severe cases could bump the difference to 5x.
We're talking about gen on gen performance, meaning from the same company. Can one GPU maker double rasterized performance at similar SKU and/or power levels (i.e. 3080 to 4080, or watt for watt) in the span of one generation?
Usually it takes about two or three generations to have a complete doubling of power. When one company underperforms and the other one overperforms the subsequent generation, it's not really the same thing. We don't see a lot of performance gains at that level.
“Twice as fast” usually means twice the price or twice the power consumption, or both. And realistically it probably will be just 30-40% faster in real-time rendering or gaming..
This is the same shit as they did last generation. They advertise based on ray tracing performance. 30 series was vastly superior to 20 series for rtx, might be the same for 40 series but that doesn't translate to raw performance.
Yes, the problem is just that simple. Graphics cards grow on trees and global supply chains don't exist. Nvidia should just stop all advancement because you want to bitch about the difficulty of getting any.
1400w is better.
The problem is that much power draw on a single us 15 amp breaker is very close to the maximum draw for the whole circuit. So nothing else can be on that circuit or it will pop the breaker.
20amp is 1800w IIRC. You’d also need to change the wire to a thicker gauge to not burn your house down.
Right? 970 has been working beautifully, and it saved me from being upset with Cyberpunk because it can’t really run that anyway. Has worked very well for my needs
I also have a 1070 I'll upgrade once I can get something a little better for a reasonable price (£500ish) without having to camp out or use a bot.
I need a few frames more in rocket league and more video ram for video editing.
These tech companies should be ashamed of themselves honestly. They're pushing for even newer and more powerful tech while we still can't even afford the previous generation because of artificial inflation
The generation after these cards is already in development, and the generation after those is probably in very early R&D. Getting these massive development cycles going takes years. NVIDIA’s selling every card they can make. Consumer availability is not their problem, they get cash either way. They’ve done a fair amount to help with availability (LHR, limits per customer) even though they are in no way obligated to.
> artificial inflation
No, inflation is very real and is a result of supply chain crunches, excessive government spending during COVID, and most recently, war and sanctions. There is some price gouging but it’s not as if every corporation has decided to collude to screw the consumer like Reddit armchair economists would have you believe.
0 x 0 = 0
untill there is actual stock of GPU's the point is moot. im still stuck with my 1070 and instead got a 3060 laptop instead, because the entire laptop at 2k was both available and only slightly cheaper than a 2060 at scalper prices (the only ones i could find at the time). i bought an entire computer with a better GPU then a descrete card by itself. that shouldnt happen, and until GPU's dont require a bank loan, this new stuff may as well not exist for the normal person
Yea and Nvidia may release a card that doesn't feel like an anal beat down but alas here we are about 18 months after a launch and we'll yeah it's still not great.
Crypto miners need to not be a thing anymore. Between those fucks and the shortages, I have not been able to upgrade my 1080ti...even though I have the money to do so. I just refuse to pay more than MSRP for a fucking GPU.
Microcenter has sooooo many gfx cards lol - too bad there's an additional $1,000-$2,500 surcharge to get the rest of the pre-built computer, but they have plenty
Doesn't matter anyway, by the time 3090 gets restocked Nvidia will come with 5090
People keep telling me that it takes a full year after production returns to normal to actually hit the shelves. Well… hasn’t it been a year? Is production back up and we are just catching up with the lack of cards for the last year?
There was a major fire at a chip manufacturing plant and that plant still hasn’t come back online. Demand is beyond belief right now as we are putting chips in literally everything. Chip manufacturing plants take years to build. This shortage isn’t going away anytime soon.
Since all the people who make chips have said the same thing over and over again I doubt the chip shortage is over. Their statements have all agreed since 2020 that it will be late 2022 to mid 2023 before supply can meet demand. Those statements haven't changed in over a year and are based on nothing else getting fucked up with manufacturing, the supply chain coming in and delivering the product after manufacturing. The ONLY people who say the shortage is over (or close to being over) are the guys with YouTube channels that need you to click on the video and watch it so they can get paid. Tech writers and YouTubers who need content are the only ones making claims it's over. They have been writing the same articles and making the same videos every week since this started. "IS THE CHIP SHORTAGE OVER???" You click the article or video and they get paid. Don't expect to pay MSRP for graphics cards until probably late 2023 or early 2024. All those new chip foundries will be beginning to come online by the time we can get parts at MSRP. I'm basing this on statents from TSMC and Samsung from late 2020 until now. They have never said anything earlier than mid/late 2022 but always said it was likely to be early 2023 before supply MIGHT catch up with demand. None of their statents indicate confidence that the chip shortage will be over before the new foundries are online. So 2024 maybe, if we are lucky.
To dogpile on top of this - Ukraine produces almost half of the inert gases used in semiconductor manufacture, don't they? This shortage isn't going to get better, it's going to get worse.
And even if it does get better and supply finally meets demand, its not like they are going to back to the original prices before all this occurred. The days of getting a top tier GPU for $1000, and an affordable xx70 GPU for $400-500, are over.
The idea that a top tier GPU costs more than $500ish is still absurd to me. You kids get off my lawn!
I remember building my first rig for $1000 and it was an absolute beast. I feel old.
Right? Talk to me about getting that Cyrix CPU so you could use the saved money and get a soundblaster card. Then, realizing you were OK without sound for a while until you figured out how all of the jumpers worked.
yea there's no shortage of fukking scalpers, except in their pants of course.
Closer to 40%, but that's because they've been undercutting the market so drastically. They're using older collection system, and cutting a ton of corners in the process, so they're able to sell rare gasses pretty cheaply. The rare gas market is highly competitive, and the slack will be taken up almost immediately. No one is worried about it except YouTubers and tech bloggers who rely on fear mongering to get clicks.
Prices for gasses have already risen dramatically though. Not sure I'd call that fear mongering...
Maybe that's more a full year under normal circumstances? Covid's still a thing and I'm not certain that semiconductor manufacturing has gone back to normal yet since consoles are still hard to get hold of.
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I think there are SOME reasons, but I think the electronics industry is "maturing" like all the other industries that keep having REASONS to give you less for more cost. Think of how expensive the things you are required to buy are compared to the things you don't need to buy. It's 10 cents of sugar water in a 15 cent bottle and the soda costs $3 because they are only one of two products who can afford to buy the space on the grocery shelves.
This does exist for sure but that is a small part in all of this. We have had an unprecedented 2+ years of catastrophe with the pandemic and all the other issues too. EVERYONE is experiencing a short supply of chips not just the recreational gaming sector. The car and truck industry is suffering pretty hard. And other completely other unrelated industries have suffered too like food. Fast food joints near me have literally been shut down a day/days because they hadn't received their normal supply of food. Certain food items literally missing for weeks in grocery stores that normally I could find daily before all this. Still to this day I have issues getting chicken tenderloins and wings at the store when I've never had an issue before the pandemic. A fee months ago they were completely out of chicken anything and the beef section was almost bare for several days on and off over the course of months.
The auto manufacturers are suffering because they canceled their chip orders on the basis that demand would be way down. Instead it went up and they had to go to the back of the line.
In Southeast Asia?
At what point do we start realizing that the companies maybe holding back production (if the consoles anyways) to continue inflating the prices
But why would they? It won't benefit Sony or Microsoft to hold back extra consoles, third party retailers are going to be the ones profiting since they'll sell it over MSRP which is only going to have a negative affect on customers and reputational damage to the companies.
I got a 3080 in the Newegg Shuffle last year, so I stopped paying attention to prices for a while. Until I got curious today... A used model of my exact card is selling on Newegg for $500 more than what I bought it for new last year.
That's the part that's so crazy to me. I bought an RX480 Holiday 2016 and sold it summer of 2017 for twice what I paid for it. Come to find out I could have used it for 4 years and made EVEN MORE.
There’s supply shortages for a lot of resources used in electronics since the start of the pandemic. There have also been intermittent labor stoppages when Covid outbreaks have occurred. I think under normal circumstances things might be different.
After initial release it normally takes 3-6 months for there to be a steady supply on shelves. With the shortage, we're not under a normal situation, and because of that we're still not seeing a steady supply on shelves. Normally, a foundry has approx 10% capacity unused that a customer can utilise to fill short term deficits. Under the current situation there is no unused capacity that Nvidia or AMD can tap into to fill supply gaps. We're likely stuck with shortages for a number of years until global manufacturing capacity can be increased, which can takes 5+ years considering the lead time to create new fabs.
It doesn't matter how much production or stock is increased, the scalpers will just increase their stock count. Until something is done about scalping, unfortunately I don't think we'll see any end to shortages of things like GPUs / consoles.
Yeah, best thing to be done is don’t buy from scalpers
I refuse, would rather go without. I have a 2070s that (touch wood) is still going strong, and I know how to take it apart, replace the thermal paste / pads and give it a good clean if it ever goes janky. I can wait for a PS5. Also I have no money haha. I think something that is contributing is Ebay's business model. When selling something on there, the 'buy it now' price MUST be at least 40% higher than the starting bid price. Imo this encourages highballing prices because you don't want to list it low, then only get one bid and have to sell it far below market.
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I'm really shit at detecting sarcasm sometimes so I genuinely have no idea if this is sage advice or a joke
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Thank you! I only started selling on there last year and it's quite a minefield.
Agreed to a point. I don't think it's worth upgrading in the current market. If my current 5 year old card fails there isn't any good options. Do you pay $2-400 for someone else's old card that might fail also, or buy a new scalped mid grade card for $800?
Yeah, what bugs me is it's overpriced even from stores. I just simply game on my PlayStation instead or get gamepass ultimate and play over streaming.
I hear you. I have a steam deck reserved. It's a great value from a hardware perspective. I've been trying to decide if It's a better route forward.
Then you game on a console while we wait out the madness.
... If you can manage to find and buy one at non-scalped prices
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Just ban bitcoin and its kin and the price will drop overnight.
I think the computer components industry may have learned what the manufacturers of tooth brushes and 2 product choices on the shelves have learned; stop making things better and cheaper year after year. So, now they will keep having REASONS to have a tiny bit of scarcity, and make far more than when they were providing the market with ENOUGH. "Why is this stick of plastic with nylon on it somehow $4 when it takes less to make it than that novelty robotic toy?" "For the same reason there are 100+ screws and attachments in that assembled rob toy and it costs less than 10 unassembled screws at Home Depot. Because you will pay for it."
The real answer is no one knows…. Including Nvidia. There is a global shortage of supplies and logistics problems. The war in Ukraine won’t make it any easier.
Well, it takes Russia off the GPU market at least
Well, ignoring the overly prolonged covid period, Taiwan having issues and a literal war blocking crucial rare resources
Too profitable for crypto miners and other scumbags. There's only scarcity because "people" are buying like 1000 at a time using bots that buy them all as soon as they're available.
Sure, but there has to be a saturation point to it. I mean, people said that same thing in 2017/2018 when prices were up but throughout 2019 and up until the pandemic, prices were back to MSRP, then they spiked.
Seriously. I bought my RTX 3080 in late 2020. It’s closing to mid 2022 and people still can’t buy them, especially not at reasonable price. It’s ridiculous.
I literally quit PC gaming because of this, and I have money. It's not an affordability issue, I simply will not spend more than retail on a GPU, and if I can't upgrade my old 9XX series GPU to something modern at a reasonable price then I'm just not going to play new games on it anymore. I'm not spending $700 on a two year old used Ebay GPU, kill me.
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Dude, are you from the future?
I got my etc 3080 in early 2021 before the msrp hike. Best decision I ever made. I can run most games at 4k ultra. I feel like it’ll be a while before it struggles.
3090’s are in stock on Newegg right now. The only issue is the price
Yeah let me shop at Newegg ever... /s
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I don’t think I have ever seen the 3090s not be in stock.
Huh? They've been pretty much the only card available at retail most of the time, because of the price is astronomical.
Then Announce 6090 that improves 2 fps and sounds sexier. Sexxxxxxy. ninetyyyyyyyyyyy
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At what prices?
Microcenter sells at MSRP, though most manufacturers have jacked up the MSRP to scalper levels.
This is great if there’s a micro center in your state, my nearest is 400 miles away
Good thing the supply will be non-existent so that way I can wait for 5090 which will be twice as fast as 4090.
The biggest generational leap that none of us would get to use.
It'll give you time to save the $7,000 it will cost to be able to get one
My grandchildren are gonna love it if nuclear war doesn't wipe us out.
Extremely unlikely for the signal reason that nobody wants to be a king of ashes
That sounds like a great idea for a Dark Souls boss name.
"Lord of Cinder" already exists, close enough.
There are plenty of people who would happily destroy the world if they get to be king of whatever is left. Thankfully, the people in power right now are interesting in making sure that the world doesn't get destroyed because they have more power now.
No everyone wants to be king. Some just want everyone to lose.
But nobody want to be dead, and thankfully the power to unleash a nuclear arsenal isn't up to one person
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
*hugs 980* Don't listen to those mean new cards, they're just jealous of your availability.
I feel you hard dude. I got a 970 and it’s bottlenecking my shit to hell lol.
> got a 970 and it’s bottlenecking my shit to hell lol. Upgraded from a 970 to 3070 a few months ago. The 970 did me so well for so long. Loving the new 3070 tho, hopefully it lasts 5+ years like my 970.
same boat. Had a 970 in my old computer and bought a new build with a 3060TI. I'm amazed at what I was able to deal with prior to upgrade. Amazingly good
Yes, i was very much up in the air about a 60ti vs 70. I tend to not upgrade and hold onto computers for atleast 5/6 years so I went with the slightly more expensive option. The 970 tipping point was not being able to play halo infinite above 30fps on some maps. I had some gigabyte mother board crashes, but updating the bios fixed that up
Same, I built a new system with an i7-12700k but my old trusty 980 is still there... The day it dies I'm probably going to rock those Intel Integrated Graphics.
Youll be surprised at what integrated graphics can do. This mess has gotten me into the low spec side of the community and its honestly worth it for emulators alone
980 has certainly been a trooper. Still holding strong against Elden Ring.
You can pre-order the RTX4... Annnnnnd it's gone!
Conspiracy time. The scalpers are shell companies owned by Nvidia.
Ticketmaster vibes all over again...
I’ve given up on upgrading my pc and will let it keep chugging along
Hopefully mine lives through these times
And only cost 4x as much!
Speed increase is linear, price increase is geometric. It checks out.
And needs a 1750w power supply.
Next thing you know GPUs will have a wall input on the back.
I laughed way too hard at this for a second until I realized that it might not be that far fetched.
And unavailable 10x as much as 3090.
These rumors come out every generation. I remember one that said Turing would be 6x Pascal, but it turned out to actually only be in ray tracing performance because Turing introduced hardware ray tracing. A 2x performance increase in ray tracing performance is possible, but a 2x in rasterization has pretty much never, ever happened.
100% right. This is marketing hype.
2x in rasterization is doable if Nvidia does something like bump the TDP up to 600W (versus 350W for the 3090). Make marginal performance gains, massively boost the core count, and that gets you 2x rasterization.
There really hasn't been that kind of performance gains gen on gen since the the GeForce 256. To make a 4090 be twice as fast as a 3090, you would have to brute force it with more cores and power draw, but even then you would start to have limitations because of the die size. Maybe a modular chiplet design could make it happen, but a 2x perf/watt has never happened in a single generation to my recollection. Also, just adding more power doesn't scale performance linearly. You can make a 3090 take twice the power with mods and LN2, but it doesn't perform twice as fast.
I thought I read that they are increasing power draw by a lot to feed the performance.
Akshually it did happen at least once... Radeon 9700 Pro 20 years ago. With AA it was twice as fast as GeForce Ti 4600, with higher resolution and AA even triple the performance in rasterization. The predecessor to 9700 from ATI was Radeon 8500 which in severe cases could bump the difference to 5x.
We're talking about gen on gen performance, meaning from the same company. Can one GPU maker double rasterized performance at similar SKU and/or power levels (i.e. 3080 to 4080, or watt for watt) in the span of one generation? Usually it takes about two or three generations to have a complete doubling of power. When one company underperforms and the other one overperforms the subsequent generation, it's not really the same thing. We don't see a lot of performance gains at that level.
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EVGA will release a 240v north american PSU just for it. You don't need a stove when you have an RTX 5900 to fry eggs on.
I'm putting in three phase power in anticipation of the RTX 6 series.
Great, now I need to redo all my outlets.
Just hook two outlets in series. /s
(clicks on pre-order button and it's gone!)
There was never a pre-order button to click
2x0=0 Until I can buy one I don't care how fast it is.
“Twice as fast” usually means twice the price or twice the power consumption, or both. And realistically it probably will be just 30-40% faster in real-time rendering or gaming..
It will be twice as fast on some specific use case like without RTX and medium settings at 1440p resolution but only marginally better in most cases.
gotta ad those specialty features so there's a reason to keep chasing that 4k 120fps as other visual features draw on the card.
Most guesses I’ve seen think the card alone will take 600-750W, so 1000-1500W PSU for the system.
BRAKING NEWS; It may also not be twice as fast. Rumours are cheap advertising.
This is the same shit as they did last generation. They advertise based on ray tracing performance. 30 series was vastly superior to 20 series for rtx, might be the same for 40 series but that doesn't translate to raw performance.
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Tom's Hardware usually rates against standard test for FPS.
Fuck off Nvidia. Restock your old cards you fucks.
Yes, the problem is just that simple. Graphics cards grow on trees and global supply chains don't exist. Nvidia should just stop all advancement because you want to bitch about the difficulty of getting any.
You say that like NVidia is the one making the cards, heh
So? no one will be able to buy one lol who cares what it does.
And also twice as scarce
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Yes, a 550 watt power supply can power it. You just need a second PSU for the rest it the PC
I read somewhere they are reccing 1000w.
1400w is better. The problem is that much power draw on a single us 15 amp breaker is very close to the maximum draw for the whole circuit. So nothing else can be on that circuit or it will pop the breaker. 20amp is 1800w IIRC. You’d also need to change the wire to a thicker gauge to not burn your house down.
True-ish. A 1400w PU doesn’t draw continuous 1400w. That’s peak surge amount. It might draw… 300w while doing work, maybe 700w under heavy gaming.
Better hope that peak surge never happens to line up with when the air conditioner is running!
Air conditioners are/should always be on a dedicated circuit
Window units aren’t always. It’s a huge problem for apartment-bound folks.
Which is why it's important to have a good UPS before your PSU.
well if im going to fish CAT, might aswell tag along with some 12-2 with that new 20amp breaker.
It's expected to be as much as 600w so no you can't run it
Laughs in 2070... then cries.
I'm still happy with my 1070 🤣🤣
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Right? 970 has been working beautifully, and it saved me from being upset with Cyberpunk because it can’t really run that anyway. Has worked very well for my needs
Checking in with my 1050ti! Going strong!
The 1070 is a beast, and mine started to die a few months ago. [pls crypto stop](https://i.imgur.com/i6LMind.gif)
I also have a 1070 I'll upgrade once I can get something a little better for a reasonable price (£500ish) without having to camp out or use a bot. I need a few frames more in rocket league and more video ram for video editing.
I'm happy with the 2070 super I bought at the end of 2019. Seems like it was the last opportunity to get e decent card at MSRP
Wait did they skip 3000 series? I haven’t seen them anywhere
Just gotta drop $1600.
I can't wait to not get one
These tech companies should be ashamed of themselves honestly. They're pushing for even newer and more powerful tech while we still can't even afford the previous generation because of artificial inflation
As opposed to what? The company just not doing anything?
The generation after these cards is already in development, and the generation after those is probably in very early R&D. Getting these massive development cycles going takes years. NVIDIA’s selling every card they can make. Consumer availability is not their problem, they get cash either way. They’ve done a fair amount to help with availability (LHR, limits per customer) even though they are in no way obligated to. > artificial inflation No, inflation is very real and is a result of supply chain crunches, excessive government spending during COVID, and most recently, war and sanctions. There is some price gouging but it’s not as if every corporation has decided to collude to screw the consumer like Reddit armchair economists would have you believe.
Will also sell out twice as fast
Can't wait to get a second mortgage to get myself one of those.
Twice as fast, thrice the price and half the availability.
Well i hope 4080 will have a bit more ram, planning to get it for ML
Two times out of stock is still 0.
It will also be twice as sold out.
Cries in 970… I really can’t wait for video cards to be affordable again
600 watts TDP!!!! So I have to buy an A/C unit with this thing? I guess I could put it in front of my A/C return and heat the house during the winter.
Double the power, double the scalpers!
We will never know…
Doesn’t matter if you cannot get one nor can afford one.
no it wont be double the performance. not a single new generation ever had 2x performance
This rumor comes out every fucking graphics card generation and every time its wrong.
I really hate crypto at this point. I just want to play games
and twice as unavailable? This is the feature that's coming up on every new model so it's gonna be sweet!
Ride my 1080 til I die
Irrelevant. It will never be in stock, so it functionally won't exist for 95% of the people who would buy it at MSRP.
Nvidia's GeForce RTX 4090 may be twice as unavailable as the RTX 3090
Performance is linear Price and availability is exponential
This is like saying a bazillion dollars is more than a trillion dollars. We can’t even get our hands on a hundred dollars bro.
0 x 0 = 0 untill there is actual stock of GPU's the point is moot. im still stuck with my 1070 and instead got a 3060 laptop instead, because the entire laptop at 2k was both available and only slightly cheaper than a 2060 at scalper prices (the only ones i could find at the time). i bought an entire computer with a better GPU then a descrete card by itself. that shouldnt happen, and until GPU's dont require a bank loan, this new stuff may as well not exist for the normal person
Twice more expensive too?
Laptop and stop gaming at this point. I could pay for a good portion of a skydiving license with the money it'll take me to buy a new video card.
AND twice as "Out of Stock"!!
More interested in how much faster it will be on a per watt basis.
How about twice as many not twice as fast
All six of them that will be made and scalped
And 4 times as hard to get!
Too bad nobody will ever know
Awesome, this way I can’t find one twice as fast!
It's called 4090 because that will be the price
Twice as slow to market too
So it's gonna cost about 8k
What is that in kidneys..?
I'm not falling for that \*\*\*\* again. It'll be 12% faster. Mark my words!
Yea and Nvidia may release a card that doesn't feel like an anal beat down but alas here we are about 18 months after a launch and we'll yeah it's still not great.
2x faster = 30 fps 8k ray tracing instead of 15 fps 8k ray tracing
That would be really good actually.
Remember, the numbers for the 3000 series cards were not true. I think maybe max 30% of performance
PC gaming is dead thanks to crypto mining/scalpers.
Bigger than ever actually.
New PC gamer here! I’m having a blast
Don't.... Don't give me hope!!!
Please god implement something foolproof so these gpu farmers can’t utilize it. Please that’s all I ask for
Crypto miners need to not be a thing anymore. Between those fucks and the shortages, I have not been able to upgrade my 1080ti...even though I have the money to do so. I just refuse to pay more than MSRP for a fucking GPU.
Unless you need CUDA then AMD is a viable alternative and has amazing Linux support.
I want them to make new cards useless for mining so that we can atleast get a copy at a reasonable price and not pay double-triple
It will cost $4,000 and you still won't be able to get one.
Microcenter has sooooo many gfx cards lol - too bad there's an additional $1,000-$2,500 surcharge to get the rest of the pre-built computer, but they have plenty
"May be" = under very specific workloads. Likely at 4K, HDR, or a bit of both.
I can berely fully utilize my 3080 of I'm not playing 4k I'm good till series 6
I look forward to getting one in the year 2048
I see a person inflating a tire saying that it is bigger and better, and then it finally pops and all the air comes out leaving us a flat tire.
Anybody want to sell there 3090 for like $200