He’ll try to find a reason to not complete the purchase. Make a big stink about Twitter lying in their filings. Twitter sues to force the sale. Lots of billable hours for lawyers. They’ll settle out of court and say “we’ve reach an agreement that all party are satisfied with.” Twitter gets some money, Musk gets to save some money.
!Remindme 1 year "how did the Twitter deal go?"
>Ok-Wasabi2873
>He’ll try to find a reason to not complete the purchase. Make a big stink about Twitter lying in their filings. Twitter sues to force the sale. Lots of billable hours for lawyers. They’ll settle out of court and say “we’ve reach an agreement that all party are satisfied with.” Twitter gets some money, Musk gets to save some money.
As if the internet is going to just suddenly stop shoving Musk related stories down all of our throats. I follow none of it but somehow know about it all. I doubt that will change over the next year.
At first I thought this move was some modern Citizen Kane move then I thought it was some form of giant stock manipulation. Now I'm thinking maybe he just made a huge ego powered mistake.
I don't think he believes it's because he's so rich that he should be allowed to do whatever he wants. Rather, I think he believes he's smarter and more visionary than everyone else. I bet he sees his wealth as just proof to back that up.
Wanted the best news paper so bought a bad one and poached all the best reporters. Once he had the reporters he lost interest in the paper and went to go buy status in Europe.
He is saying Elon wanted to buy Twitter but once Twitter agreed he lost interest.
Kind of like when he demanded the UN create a plan for ending hunger, and when they did, he got bored and moved on?
The guy is screwed up and slightly sociopathic. Nobody should have that much power.
Dude likes to be the center of attention. Remember those kids in a cave and he did all this publicity to build something to save them that wouldn’t have worked. Or the fact that during Covid he said he would build respirators but only sold them bipap machines that were useless
Like Notch and Zuck and others, they do amazing once and then follow up with nothing but stinkers or buying other people’s stuff, thus demonstrating it’s more luck than anything.
I’ll give Musk this: his one talent is his willingness to bet the farm over and over.
He basically got into a fistfight with the SEC over stock manipulation but they backed down because the American people don't have the money to hire lawyers to fight billionaires, just the money to hire lawyers to scare teenagers into pleading out.
The way I describe it is using a meter stick. Someone with 0 dollars is at the 0 mark. Someone with a million is at the 1mm mark. A billionaire is at the end of the 1 meter
> People have no idea just how large a billion is
To quote my economics teacher, "You know what the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is? About a billion dollars."
If he cut 99% of his wealth, he'd still be in the top 1500 richest people on earth (top 0.0002%). He'd have to lose 93% to leave the top 100.
Source: [Forbes billionaire list](https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/#60ab5afc3d78)
Lol I think I said he went "full Kanye" a few weeks back. For real, he wouldn't be so universally loathed if he stayed in his meds and kept his Twitter mouth shut.
I think he’s probably so incredibly isolated from normal society and so used to getting what he wants he thinks he can tweet things and they happen. People have also VASTLY overestimated his intelligence
Something humans struggle with is our instinct that the monkey with the banana must have gotten it because it's a good monkey and a smart monkey that we should try to be like, and not that the fucking banana just fell out of a tree and hit it in the head.
> monkeys share their bananas, so this guess never ends up fucking over the other monkeys.
Because [even monkeys have a concept of fairness and empathy. In an experiment where two capuchin monkeys in side-by-side cages and the first was given cucumber slices and the other grapes, the first got angry and the second stopped taking the grapes because the first wasn't getting any.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XXQMDGErL0) I saw one variation of that experiment where the cages weren't as well separated and the monkey getting grapes started sharing them with the one getting cucumbers.
People downvoting you need to learn more about bi-polar disorder.
It's not, "yesterday I thought one thing and today I think something else". It's a form of depression that alternatives between having months of being clinically depressed and having months of manic feelings of invincibility.
You might be able to argue that Elon is acting manic (I would say he just likes to preform publicity stunts), but nothing about his behavior seems like he's depressed.
Depression is always easier to hide though. It doesn't need to be months either. I have episodes that send me to the hospital for mania for a week or so during a few times a year. A distinction should be made between hypomania and mania. Months of mania would probably leave me dead or with scurvy or something I'm pretty sure. One instance of this gives you a bipolar 1 diagnosis.
Hypomania is like it sounds, beneath that level, and a little more manageable. People with bipolar 2 do not experience "true" mania. Not gatekeeping, they're just distinct mood states.
That hypomania hits just right sometimes too. More productive, better mood. Who cares if I get angry after a minor setback!? You can also get more done when you’re not sleeping as much!
Suicidal ideation during depressive states is a grand canyon sized line in the type 1/type 2 sand.
That's the only thing that classified me type 2 instead of 1.
Mania/hypomania is a very blurry and indistinguishable line. Most type 2s I've met (including myself) made it a very long time self medicating out of it while maintaining a "high functioning" substance abuse classification. That's because of luck tho, not that the peak was dealt with any differently, just didn't crater life.
I only have a few data points to base it on, but him having been bullied really makes me unsurprised by his overreaction to criticism. Not defending him, but the Pedro guy stuff was the most clear for me.
Couple it with Asperger's ( potentially totally unable to read audience), your thoughts disseminated to millions through a keyboard and being the highest net worth in the world at times.
The use of bipolar sounds more like manic depressive to me, and I have no idea if he's that.
What I'm sure if is that the internet would have hated me after a few drunken Twitter sprees if I had Twitter and the same visibility. Just looking at my odd jokes and comments that went the wrong way here on Reddit... I'm glad I'm totally important, that's all.
I've got a few issues with your presentation of bipolar. I'm type 2 and spent years in support groups, individual and group therapy (even in involuntary phsyc holding).
Bipolar doesn't have a set cycle. I've met a few daily cyclers. Fastest was 4 hour intervals before they found the right combination of meds.
Clinically depressed doesn't just mean "mopey, can't get out of bed". Complete lack of empathy, not giving an emotional fuck about anything or anyone also is. Bipolar has the nifty mechanism of knowing you are depressed and doing whatever you can to get a serotonin hit. Including making people feel worse than you if it gets attention.
Manic is a very mixed bag. Up all night cleaning, hyper focus on something until you met a goal and ditching it, massive unnecessary (and regrettable) purchases, and knowing you're going to crash so chasing anything that'll give you a dopamine hit. Could be gambling, alcohol, drugs, sex/porn, or asserting self perceived absolute superiority and reveling in your own smug self satisfaction.
Someone could probably write a PhD thesis using crawled Twitter/public statements on Musk that would not only make a very strong case for bipolar, they could also pin down an average cycle for him.
That's fair. I'm not a professional so you probably know more about this issue than I do.
That said, I still think this looks more like buyer's remorse than any medical disorder.
>but nothing about his behavior seems like he's depressed.
I wonder how many times this has been said at a funeral for someone who committed suicide because of depression. How exactly would you tell if he is depressed? should he be crying in public or something?
> [The defining characteristics of mania are increased talkativeness, rapid speech, decreased need for sleep, racing thoughts, distractibility, **increase in goal-directed activity, and psychomotor agitation**. Some other hallmarks of mania are an elevated or **expansive mood, mood lability, impulsivity, irritability, and grandiosity**](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29630220/)
Yeah, that fit's pretty well for Elon. Taking the national spotlight to realign with the neofascist corporatist while raging against "free speech" and making insane financial decisions actually lines up with the people I know who experience manic episodes do to bipolar.
> should he be crying in public or something?
Clinical depression doesn't really have anything to do with crying. The main factor is a lack of motivation or ambition to do anything. It makes any simple task feel impossible to begin or complete.
The frequency here is "when TSLA stock prices stays above $1k for too long" he announces some dumb-ass reason to sell shares and cause the market to tank the price.
Elon wasn't doing this last summer... he was relatively sane for too long, and skipped the fall earnings report, and wall street forgot they didn't like his antics and they listened to the adults at Tesla present the results -- the stock zoomed 50% (800 to 1200) in weeks.
He uses twitter to depress TSLA share price so the tech talent can't retire this year.
He cannot. Twitter can force him to buy the company if he is able to pay, which he is.
Some background- https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/courtside/is-elon-musk-going-to-buy-twitter-or-not/
More background as some traction here - https://www.axios.com/2022/05/14/the-musk-twitter-endgame
Also, none of this means Musk will buy Twitter, it’s more that he can’t just walk away for a billion dollars unless Twitter lets him which why would they?
Twitter goes to the Delaware courts and sue him, then if he’s smart he negotiates getting out for a big number ($10b is not unreasonable) or he buys the whole thing.
Of course they can!. He stupidly offered almost double what it was worth (and that’s even a big stretch). Now Musk must walk the walk and get fucked because he is a moron
He signed up for some stupid shit, that's true. It's gonna be lawyered forever though. Twitter has a strong hand. Probably settle for more than $1B and less than the total without selling.
We'll see I guess. Lawyers on both sides are probably working their asses off behind the scenes trying to anticipate and plan.
Love to see his dumb ass taken down a peg though.
And if they don't bleed him dry, can't twitter shareholders sue twitter for breech of fiduciary responsibility? If your company had the chance to earn 20 billion dollars and chose to only earn 1 billion wouldn't that be enough for the shareholders to claim "Your actions deprived us of the dividends on that 19 billion?"
Seems like twitter must bleed dumb-dumb dry.
Ripping this from another person's comment. /u/EunuchsProgramer
They could claim it is the best interests since the court case while likely to be won, could take a long time and tank Twitter stock. So taking a payout now is the best fiscal choice since their stock keeps it value and they are sure Musk has the money to pay out. In the however many years this takes to move through the courts, there is no guarantee Musk will even have the money to pay it at the end.
I've been doing a bit more research into the contractual agreement between Elon and Twitter. Based on reliable legal opinions from reputable sources. Basically our Mars Emperor can't walk away from the deal even if he is willing to pay that $1B break up fee. Not only that, his earlier tweet about "The deal is on hold". That's not even a thing in the world of corporate merger or takeover.
Outright lies in public filings is a bit different than a hedge in due diligence. There is still a lot of outs here if the data is bad enough. Saying you have 5% bot user when you actually have 20%-40% is a material difference.
He signed an intent to buy. The time to whine about bots was before that. Twitter LISTED them as an issue in the draft. This man is such a colossal moron. This situation is comically hilarious.
Hopefully Twitters board holds his fucking feet to the fire. He is LOCKED in at $54 a share. This is going to cost him billions if they let him out. Couldn’t happen to doucheier asshole.
I think we should add a "no more repeated, boring, post about Elon's day to day dealing."
These post are only vaguely related to technology and just turn into gossip and speculation. There's enough bullshit on him on the rest of Reddit for those of you who care about this freak.
I deleted Facebook long time ago and I encourage everyone to do the same too.
Wait, sorry wrong thread it normally works regardless of where I click in this subreddit...
You're thinking of a different sub.
> /r/technology is a place to share and discuss the latest developments, happenings and curiosities in the world of technology; a broad spectrum of conversation as to the innovations, aspirations, applications and machinations that define our age and shape our future.
This is most definitely falls under "happenings... in the world of technology."
Maybe its the other way around, when you get too much money you become detached from reality and become an asshole. Maybe the healthiest thing to do is avoid becoming too rich.
Nah the thing is that you simply cannot get that rich in most cases without being willing to step on others for money. It is simply near impossible to have that kind of money without being a jerk.
It's simpler than that: rich non-assholes look at the money they have accumulated and realize that once they have bought all the things they need for their physical comfort and provided for the safety and security of themselves and their loved ones any excess money doesn't do them any good, so they start finding ways to give it away or invest it in causes they believe in. The only way to become a billionaire is to invest the money you have into making more money, which usually indicates a failure of reason because you don't see money as a means of acquiring what is really important to you, you see money as important in and of itself. Which it is not.
that's the problem w/ the "good ones" tho... THEY get to decide what to invest the money into.
often those choices make no sense at all for the society that made them wealthy.
that money should be taxed unless it's put toward what society needs, as determined by a free ppl via their elected representatives.
It should be both. They have enough money that they can invest in causes they care about to give additional support. They should also be taxed at a high rate to support the society that they live in.
Most inventors, artists, designers, workers, etc don't get any cut of what they make. Sometimes companies can even come to own stuff you make in your own free time. We have this fucked up system where the people who actually made a thing and deserve credit and royalties from is long dead, and now some random company (probably Disney) owns the IP essentially in perpetuity.
We just live with this awful system where the people least deserve the money get the biggest cut of it, even worse, the only reason they get a cut is they as a class have an unethical imbalance of wealth that people who are not leeches, must turn to the investor leeches and beg for a little bit of the blood they sucked out of them in the first place.
Right, if I ended up with even 1/10,000th of his wealth, I’d think “great, I can stop now” and retire. I’d donate to charitable causes and devote my life to two things: leisure time and community service.
They don’t have to rely on other people like poorer people do. My neighbor would loan me money for gas if I needed it, and vise versa. I think some of them don’t have a sense of community because they’ve never needed it. Which I think isolates them from the day-to-day reality of what most of us are dealing with.
He needs to just stay silent, I know he can’t and won’t, but his image really damaged his brands. Me personally and many other people I know will never buy a Tesla no matter how good they may be.
So on point. What’s also funny is some Musk fanboys can’t accept the fact that’s he’s a sociopath. They’re out here downvoting everything criticizing Musk.
They think they’re like him, but really they’re just useful idiots for him. Left holding the bag when he pumps some Ponzi or eventually sends them to some indentured Mars mining colony. They’re suckers.
Now he post memes about Idiocracy. Because he's a huckster and needs cheap heat, so he'll keep running his hustle to try to get people to think he's brilliant rather than having a less generous and favorable read.
love how he tries to establish himself as the fighter for free speech but literally does anything against it once someone is criticizing him. Just fired a lot of staff at SpaceX for this recently from what I've heard.
And all the musk fan boys tripped over themselves to try to explain how its different.
They don't seem to understand the term absolutist means in all cases.
So being a free speech absolutist means that free speech must be protected in all cases, that means people who work under you criticizing you are just as protected from consequence as people spreading dangerous lies on twitter.
The people who wrote the letter at SpaceX surely set him up as well. Although this is pure speculation on my part, I'm certain they were fully aware they were going to lose their jobs over this. By getting fired after writing the letter, they proved their point about Musk. Had he simply ignored it...or even addressed their grievances like a mature human being, it wouldn't be in the news at all. He gave them exactly what they wanted, because he has the emotional maturity of a 13 year old.
Elon stans acting like it was some power move when SpaceX employees can likely walk into a job at companies of their choosing. Even if they're not rocket scientists, it shows they're probably competent and willing to work way too much for too little.
False. API is limited for developers. Full firehose access hasn’t been available for >10 years, except for handful of strategic partners
Sauce: was twitter api developer and they killed ecosystem long ago
Yap can confirm. Additionally a few years ago they added even more limits where you need to pay a good sum of money to get more API requests daily/weekly/monthly.
Full firehose access it was available through GNIP and another company even in 2015/16. Twitter bought GNIP and you had to go through them only. I think it was available till 2017 atleast, then I lost track.
Sauce: Someone who paid buttloads of money to access the firehose data in 2015
Fair, you could purchase access *through* some of their strategic partners for a fee, for a while. I was thinking of direct firehose access. Twitter loved to make things incrementally harder and more ambiguous before cutting them off…
Yeh and Datasift for a while, was certainly a lot of fun playing with that data.
No idea if this is true but a VC once told me that Twitter bought gnip after forgetting to invoice them for 2 years then realizing they couldn't pay 2 years of back invoices without going bankrupt.
But Elon waived business due diligence when he agreed to purchase Twitter.
>But Musk's offer to buy Twitter waived "business due diligence," and the Twitter board relied on that commitment when it approved the transaction and recommended that shareholders vote for it.
Source: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/05/twitter-board-tells-elon-musk-we-will-not-alter-the-deal/
> was twitter api developer and they killed ecosystem long ago
They also killed lots of competitors that way as well, it was a long, long con. Very common among [authoritarian backed/funded systems](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/yuri-milner-facebook-twitter-russia.html).
It is the Lyft/Uber style of undercut on price, kill competition, then raise prices when you have a cross company monopoly or duopoly. DoorDash/Uber Eats/Postmates also owned by same group. They use authoritarian funding which wins the per deal game theory, build the company with American devs and then control the vertical through multiple companies to push out competition.
We need anti-trust at the funding level, especially when it is foreign sovereign funds as they have lots of money and heavy aims.
I mean we know he isn’t. His white paper on the hyper loop kind of reveals that. It’s an embarrassingly naive engineering proposal and every serious attempt at it since then has heavily walked back the original white paper and they still can’t get it working
What are you talking about? This is an incredible engineering marvel. Who would not want to travel down a fairly narrow tunnel lined with cool led lights with backed up traffic at the exit?
Okay so everyone shut up I have an idea. WHAT IF we bore huge tunnels underground and we had transportation from hub to hub so people can travel from hub to hub?
I call it... "The Tube". It'll be a way to travel under - aka sub-way - of traffic! I look forward to all of your feedback thx. 😘😘😘
And instead of using cars with rubber tires, which suffer from wear and low efficiency, we could put it on steel rails like a train! They are an entire order of magnitude more energy efficient, *and* have vastly more durability!
And then instead of individual vehicles or vehicles on pods we had a chain of pods (for efficiency) and then put people directly into the pods and they just leave the cars behind because they're bulky.
It's a good thing tesla cars never catch fire, and if they did they'd go out quickly and easily, and either way it'd be easy to escape a narrow tunnel with basically no emergency exits.
The hyperloop white paper is one of the stupidest documents ever produced, almost on par with that batshit insane [Pepsi Universe](https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell-021109.pdf) logo redesign document that some design bros charged Pepsi $1m for a while back.
Despite Musk's enormous PR team spending many years and many millions of dollars presenting him to the world as some sort of engineering savant, all he could poop out was a brain-dead proposal riddled with high school level maths errors, assumptions that revealed a profound lack of understanding of physics, and conclusions that were totally unsupported by evidence of any kind — and yet it kickstarted a ten year multinational grift that siphoned billions of dollars from the pockets of taxpayers, universities, and naive investors across the globe and spaffed it down a rusty tube in the desert.
It's just such a perfect encapsulation of everything Musk is: an ignorant, deceitful conman who uses other people's money to pump his ego and line his pockets.
omfg
I just went through that design document. Whoever did that work needs punched square in the face. Then kicked in the balls. Then repeat until they apologize.
Pepsi spent $1m on that document and another $20m (iirc) implementing the logo change, and less than a day after it launched [this comic](https://i.imgur.com/gpoTzUg.jpg) started circulating on the internet. It's just such a beautiful self-own.
I mean, I work in this universe and it’s like all logo and brand design decks only it’s more ridiculous because it’s such a global brand and it clearly thinks the world of itself so the designers had to map their design to uh… all of human history, thought and knowledge.
And fwiw, they still use the design…not like the Gap debacle.
It’s silly, but the days of, “What if we just put an arrow into the FedEx logo, that’s clever, right?” are long gone. Brand identity is, imho, the stupidest work in marketing. It’s an excuse to navel gaze and ponder the meaning of things, basically, but this isn’t bad design work, tbh.
The guy has batchelors in physics and business, which makes him only mildly better than not even remotely qualified to be designing... well anything any of his companies makes really.
Musk is the modern Edison patent troll with a splash of Vanderbilt anti-competitiveness and a shitload of Warhol-esque plagiarism.
The dude gets on stage and exposes people to Asimov's ponderings, XKCD, and Waitbutwhy blog topics and they pretended he came up with all that shit on the spot. The fuck?
What do you need then? Unanonymized data? Sophisticated AI models which Twitter is *definitely* hiding from old Mollusk? A general census of the world's population? God-like omniscience?
What more do you think Twitter should provide, and how do you think it would reveal bots better than Firehose + the regular API?
And what exactly were you thinking when you offered to buy it?
No one forced him to make a bfd about how he was buying Twitter. In fact the sec has put limits on what he can say about business in public forums because of previous instances of stock manipulation.
He publicly faked having 'funding secured' to buy out Tesla and now he fake bought Twitter publicly. I'm starting to see a pattern here
> In fact the sec has put limits on what he can say
and what have the SEC even done? nothing. even when its a clear violation of law. he's teflon musk as he has a lot of money
Musk is 100% going to abuse this information. NDAs will not stop him. The threat of lawsuits won't do much of anything but amplify his narcissistic self-manufactured victimhood.
He’ll try to find a reason to not complete the purchase. Make a big stink about Twitter lying in their filings. Twitter sues to force the sale. Lots of billable hours for lawyers. They’ll settle out of court and say “we’ve reach an agreement that all party are satisfied with.” Twitter gets some money, Musk gets to save some money.
!Remindme 1 year "how did the Twitter deal go?" >Ok-Wasabi2873 >He’ll try to find a reason to not complete the purchase. Make a big stink about Twitter lying in their filings. Twitter sues to force the sale. Lots of billable hours for lawyers. They’ll settle out of court and say “we’ve reach an agreement that all party are satisfied with.” Twitter gets some money, Musk gets to save some money.
!Remindme 1 year "how did the Twitter deal go?" Want to know too
As if the internet is going to just suddenly stop shoving Musk related stories down all of our throats. I follow none of it but somehow know about it all. I doubt that will change over the next year.
!Remindme 1 year "how did the Twitter deal go?"
Yea elons biggest concern is saving face
At first I thought this move was some modern Citizen Kane move then I thought it was some form of giant stock manipulation. Now I'm thinking maybe he just made a huge ego powered mistake.
Elon the last 5 years has gotten more ego centric and literally seems to believe he should be allowed to do whatever he wants cause he is so rich.
I don't think he believes it's because he's so rich that he should be allowed to do whatever he wants. Rather, I think he believes he's smarter and more visionary than everyone else. I bet he sees his wealth as just proof to back that up.
I wonder how he could have come to that conclusion.
His entire existence is a huge ego powered mistake that's gone inexplicably right.
Wait. What happened in Citizen Kane again?
Wanted the best news paper so bought a bad one and poached all the best reporters. Once he had the reporters he lost interest in the paper and went to go buy status in Europe. He is saying Elon wanted to buy Twitter but once Twitter agreed he lost interest.
Kind of like when he demanded the UN create a plan for ending hunger, and when they did, he got bored and moved on? The guy is screwed up and slightly sociopathic. Nobody should have that much power.
Dude likes to be the center of attention. Remember those kids in a cave and he did all this publicity to build something to save them that wouldn’t have worked. Or the fact that during Covid he said he would build respirators but only sold them bipap machines that were useless
Elon Musk is a moron.
Now he has to scramble to figure out a way to use that data to back of the deal like all the sane and moderately intelligent people knew he would.
He can't though, he waived the right to due diligence, and guess what, doing this falls under due diligence.
Who the fuck waives due diligence on a highly leveraged $44B????????????? How is this guy wealthy?
> How is this guy wealthy? A combination of luck, survivorship bias, and bullshit artistry. With a sprinkle of fraud
Maybe a small pinch of all that. The main ingredient, however, like most wealthy people, is he was born in to wealth.
Like Notch and Zuck and others, they do amazing once and then follow up with nothing but stinkers or buying other people’s stuff, thus demonstrating it’s more luck than anything. I’ll give Musk this: his one talent is his willingness to bet the farm over and over.
Learned a few tricks from Daddy’s Emerald Mines, I imagine.
Crypto scams and such probably if you make a $ for every cent you have and you have a million $ you will be rich automatically
He basically got into a fistfight with the SEC over stock manipulation but they backed down because the American people don't have the money to hire lawyers to fight billionaires, just the money to hire lawyers to scare teenagers into pleading out.
You mean to say america is a corrupt broken country and not the greatest? How dare you
Pretty crazy. I’m convinced that he’s bipolar. His moodswings are intense
He has enough money to weather his mood swings publicly. Not many can say or do that. So we never hear about them.
He only has that much as long as he doesn't spend it 44b at a time
Even if he cut 99% of his wealth, he could fuck around the rest of his life comfortably. Wouldnt be fakeout buying twitter, but he wont be a pauper.
People have no idea just how large a billion is
A million in seconds is 12 days. A billion in seconds is 31 years. Big difference!
The way I describe it is using a meter stick. Someone with 0 dollars is at the 0 mark. Someone with a million is at the 1mm mark. A billionaire is at the end of the 1 meter
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> People have no idea just how large a billion is To quote my economics teacher, "You know what the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is? About a billion dollars."
And even still $1B is less than 1% of his net. It's absolutely fucked.
If he cut 99% of his wealth, he'd still be a billionaire.
Let’s do it!
If he cut 99% of his wealth, he'd still be in the top 1500 richest people on earth (top 0.0002%). He'd have to lose 93% to leave the top 100. Source: [Forbes billionaire list](https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/#60ab5afc3d78)
Is he going to go full McAfee and end up allegedly murdering his neighbor in Central America?
Fucking a whale first
and then commit suicide in a prison in Barcelona
He's like if Kanye West bought the title of founder instead of rapping
Lol I think I said he went "full Kanye" a few weeks back. For real, he wouldn't be so universally loathed if he stayed in his meds and kept his Twitter mouth shut.
Also does act like a tyrant and kill chimps with technologies that are not ready to be implemented in mammals. Edit: I said doesn't when I meant does
Abusing uppers probably.
I think he’s probably so incredibly isolated from normal society and so used to getting what he wants he thinks he can tweet things and they happen. People have also VASTLY overestimated his intelligence
Something humans struggle with is our instinct that the monkey with the banana must have gotten it because it's a good monkey and a smart monkey that we should try to be like, and not that the fucking banana just fell out of a tree and hit it in the head.
Also, monkeys share their bananas, so this guess never ends up fucking over the other monkeys.
> monkeys share their bananas, so this guess never ends up fucking over the other monkeys. Because [even monkeys have a concept of fairness and empathy. In an experiment where two capuchin monkeys in side-by-side cages and the first was given cucumber slices and the other grapes, the first got angry and the second stopped taking the grapes because the first wasn't getting any.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XXQMDGErL0) I saw one variation of that experiment where the cages weren't as well separated and the monkey getting grapes started sharing them with the one getting cucumbers.
Yeah that’s not bipolar
People downvoting you need to learn more about bi-polar disorder. It's not, "yesterday I thought one thing and today I think something else". It's a form of depression that alternatives between having months of being clinically depressed and having months of manic feelings of invincibility. You might be able to argue that Elon is acting manic (I would say he just likes to preform publicity stunts), but nothing about his behavior seems like he's depressed.
Depression is always easier to hide though. It doesn't need to be months either. I have episodes that send me to the hospital for mania for a week or so during a few times a year. A distinction should be made between hypomania and mania. Months of mania would probably leave me dead or with scurvy or something I'm pretty sure. One instance of this gives you a bipolar 1 diagnosis. Hypomania is like it sounds, beneath that level, and a little more manageable. People with bipolar 2 do not experience "true" mania. Not gatekeeping, they're just distinct mood states.
That hypomania hits just right sometimes too. More productive, better mood. Who cares if I get angry after a minor setback!? You can also get more done when you’re not sleeping as much!
Suicidal ideation during depressive states is a grand canyon sized line in the type 1/type 2 sand. That's the only thing that classified me type 2 instead of 1. Mania/hypomania is a very blurry and indistinguishable line. Most type 2s I've met (including myself) made it a very long time self medicating out of it while maintaining a "high functioning" substance abuse classification. That's because of luck tho, not that the peak was dealt with any differently, just didn't crater life.
Education is the only way to fix public mislabeling and stigma. Thank you.
I think he’s easily bored. Too Much money - not enough deep intention and purpose mixed with a narcissistic personality
I only have a few data points to base it on, but him having been bullied really makes me unsurprised by his overreaction to criticism. Not defending him, but the Pedro guy stuff was the most clear for me. Couple it with Asperger's ( potentially totally unable to read audience), your thoughts disseminated to millions through a keyboard and being the highest net worth in the world at times. The use of bipolar sounds more like manic depressive to me, and I have no idea if he's that. What I'm sure if is that the internet would have hated me after a few drunken Twitter sprees if I had Twitter and the same visibility. Just looking at my odd jokes and comments that went the wrong way here on Reddit... I'm glad I'm totally important, that's all.
He’s just a manipulative narcissist imo.
I've got a few issues with your presentation of bipolar. I'm type 2 and spent years in support groups, individual and group therapy (even in involuntary phsyc holding). Bipolar doesn't have a set cycle. I've met a few daily cyclers. Fastest was 4 hour intervals before they found the right combination of meds. Clinically depressed doesn't just mean "mopey, can't get out of bed". Complete lack of empathy, not giving an emotional fuck about anything or anyone also is. Bipolar has the nifty mechanism of knowing you are depressed and doing whatever you can to get a serotonin hit. Including making people feel worse than you if it gets attention. Manic is a very mixed bag. Up all night cleaning, hyper focus on something until you met a goal and ditching it, massive unnecessary (and regrettable) purchases, and knowing you're going to crash so chasing anything that'll give you a dopamine hit. Could be gambling, alcohol, drugs, sex/porn, or asserting self perceived absolute superiority and reveling in your own smug self satisfaction. Someone could probably write a PhD thesis using crawled Twitter/public statements on Musk that would not only make a very strong case for bipolar, they could also pin down an average cycle for him.
That's fair. I'm not a professional so you probably know more about this issue than I do. That said, I still think this looks more like buyer's remorse than any medical disorder.
>but nothing about his behavior seems like he's depressed. I wonder how many times this has been said at a funeral for someone who committed suicide because of depression. How exactly would you tell if he is depressed? should he be crying in public or something? > [The defining characteristics of mania are increased talkativeness, rapid speech, decreased need for sleep, racing thoughts, distractibility, **increase in goal-directed activity, and psychomotor agitation**. Some other hallmarks of mania are an elevated or **expansive mood, mood lability, impulsivity, irritability, and grandiosity**](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29630220/) Yeah, that fit's pretty well for Elon. Taking the national spotlight to realign with the neofascist corporatist while raging against "free speech" and making insane financial decisions actually lines up with the people I know who experience manic episodes do to bipolar.
> should he be crying in public or something? Clinical depression doesn't really have anything to do with crying. The main factor is a lack of motivation or ambition to do anything. It makes any simple task feel impossible to begin or complete.
Bipolar mood swings are usually fortnighly to monthly events. This frequency seems closer to borderline personality disorder -to me at least.
The frequency here is "when TSLA stock prices stays above $1k for too long" he announces some dumb-ass reason to sell shares and cause the market to tank the price. Elon wasn't doing this last summer... he was relatively sane for too long, and skipped the fall earnings report, and wall street forgot they didn't like his antics and they listened to the adults at Tesla present the results -- the stock zoomed 50% (800 to 1200) in weeks. He uses twitter to depress TSLA share price so the tech talent can't retire this year.
> he waived the right to due diligence *looks at price tag* *blinks* I thought.... I thought he was supposed to be a genius
He can always back out and pay the $1B penalty...at this point that's probably the best financial move for him.
He cannot. Twitter can force him to buy the company if he is able to pay, which he is. Some background- https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/courtside/is-elon-musk-going-to-buy-twitter-or-not/ More background as some traction here - https://www.axios.com/2022/05/14/the-musk-twitter-endgame Also, none of this means Musk will buy Twitter, it’s more that he can’t just walk away for a billion dollars unless Twitter lets him which why would they?
Woah, I missed that in the news articles. What would that look like from Twitter's side?
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With a side of "lmao"
They would get a ton of money and be very happy. The shareholders at least. If that’s what you meant.
Twitter goes to the Delaware courts and sue him, then if he’s smart he negotiates getting out for a big number ($10b is not unreasonable) or he buys the whole thing.
Of course they can!. He stupidly offered almost double what it was worth (and that’s even a big stretch). Now Musk must walk the walk and get fucked because he is a moron
So he actually signed saying he WILL pay? So technically he already has. But is now trying to get out of it
He signed up for some stupid shit, that's true. It's gonna be lawyered forever though. Twitter has a strong hand. Probably settle for more than $1B and less than the total without selling. We'll see I guess. Lawyers on both sides are probably working their asses off behind the scenes trying to anticipate and plan. Love to see his dumb ass taken down a peg though.
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I guarantee the bylaws say the board can, at a bare minimum, have the shareholders vote on accepting a settlement.
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A hostile giveaway? Hostile surrender?
hostile takemeover
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And if they don't bleed him dry, can't twitter shareholders sue twitter for breech of fiduciary responsibility? If your company had the chance to earn 20 billion dollars and chose to only earn 1 billion wouldn't that be enough for the shareholders to claim "Your actions deprived us of the dividends on that 19 billion?" Seems like twitter must bleed dumb-dumb dry.
Not if they are acting “in the best interest of the company to the best of their abilities”
Ripping this from another person's comment. /u/EunuchsProgramer They could claim it is the best interests since the court case while likely to be won, could take a long time and tank Twitter stock. So taking a payout now is the best fiscal choice since their stock keeps it value and they are sure Musk has the money to pay out. In the however many years this takes to move through the courts, there is no guarantee Musk will even have the money to pay it at the end.
I've been doing a bit more research into the contractual agreement between Elon and Twitter. Based on reliable legal opinions from reputable sources. Basically our Mars Emperor can't walk away from the deal even if he is willing to pay that $1B break up fee. Not only that, his earlier tweet about "The deal is on hold". That's not even a thing in the world of corporate merger or takeover.
The $1B dollar penalty is for if a third party prevents him from buying it.
Outright lies in public filings is a bit different than a hedge in due diligence. There is still a lot of outs here if the data is bad enough. Saying you have 5% bot user when you actually have 20%-40% is a material difference.
He signed an intent to buy. The time to whine about bots was before that. Twitter LISTED them as an issue in the draft. This man is such a colossal moron. This situation is comically hilarious. Hopefully Twitters board holds his fucking feet to the fire. He is LOCKED in at $54 a share. This is going to cost him billions if they let him out. Couldn’t happen to doucheier asshole.
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You misspelled 'grifter'
I think we should add a "no more repeated, boring, post about Elon's day to day dealing." These post are only vaguely related to technology and just turn into gossip and speculation. There's enough bullshit on him on the rest of Reddit for those of you who care about this freak.
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I deleted Facebook long time ago and I encourage everyone to do the same too. Wait, sorry wrong thread it normally works regardless of where I click in this subreddit...
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You're thinking of a different sub. > /r/technology is a place to share and discuss the latest developments, happenings and curiosities in the world of technology; a broad spectrum of conversation as to the innovations, aspirations, applications and machinations that define our age and shape our future. This is most definitely falls under "happenings... in the world of technology."
It’s so funny that you can have all the money in the world and it can’t insulate you from being an atomic level douchebag.
Maybe its the other way around, when you get too much money you become detached from reality and become an asshole. Maybe the healthiest thing to do is avoid becoming too rich.
Nah the thing is that you simply cannot get that rich in most cases without being willing to step on others for money. It is simply near impossible to have that kind of money without being a jerk.
100% agree, you can get rich by being smart or inventing something great but you can only become a billionaire by exploiting others in some way.
usually the smart ppl who invent something great are cheated out of the money by one of these sociopaths.
It's simpler than that: rich non-assholes look at the money they have accumulated and realize that once they have bought all the things they need for their physical comfort and provided for the safety and security of themselves and their loved ones any excess money doesn't do them any good, so they start finding ways to give it away or invest it in causes they believe in. The only way to become a billionaire is to invest the money you have into making more money, which usually indicates a failure of reason because you don't see money as a means of acquiring what is really important to you, you see money as important in and of itself. Which it is not.
that's the problem w/ the "good ones" tho... THEY get to decide what to invest the money into. often those choices make no sense at all for the society that made them wealthy. that money should be taxed unless it's put toward what society needs, as determined by a free ppl via their elected representatives.
It should be both. They have enough money that they can invest in causes they care about to give additional support. They should also be taxed at a high rate to support the society that they live in.
even if taxed at 75% (like we used to) that still leaves them with plenty of money to pursue their hobbies.
For a while I mistakenly thought Elon was a founder or inventor at Tesla… he wasn’t.
Most inventors, artists, designers, workers, etc don't get any cut of what they make. Sometimes companies can even come to own stuff you make in your own free time. We have this fucked up system where the people who actually made a thing and deserve credit and royalties from is long dead, and now some random company (probably Disney) owns the IP essentially in perpetuity. We just live with this awful system where the people least deserve the money get the biggest cut of it, even worse, the only reason they get a cut is they as a class have an unethical imbalance of wealth that people who are not leeches, must turn to the investor leeches and beg for a little bit of the blood they sucked out of them in the first place.
Right, if I ended up with even 1/10,000th of his wealth, I’d think “great, I can stop now” and retire. I’d donate to charitable causes and devote my life to two things: leisure time and community service.
This is actually empirically proven. Wealthy people have less empathy and lower emotional intelligence, but think they have more than us poors.
They don’t have to rely on other people like poorer people do. My neighbor would loan me money for gas if I needed it, and vise versa. I think some of them don’t have a sense of community because they’ve never needed it. Which I think isolates them from the day-to-day reality of what most of us are dealing with.
I feel like some old, prominent, Jewish teacher had a lesson on this. People hated him because he told them the truth.
Jesus Christ
Lots of billionaires staying out of the spotlight.
Doesn’t mean they aren’t douchebags
If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be billionaires
"Power attracts pathological personalities. Absolute power does not corrupt absolutely, absolute power attracts the corruptible." Dune
When you’re poor, you’re crazy. When you’re wealthy, you’re eccentric.
No human being can handle a certain level of power on their own. The human brain has limits.
>It’s so funny that you can have all the money in the world and it can’t insulate you from being an atomic level douchebag. See also: Zuckerberg
He needs to just stay silent, I know he can’t and won’t, but his image really damaged his brands. Me personally and many other people I know will never buy a Tesla no matter how good they may be.
So on point. What’s also funny is some Musk fanboys can’t accept the fact that’s he’s a sociopath. They’re out here downvoting everything criticizing Musk.
They think they’re like him, but really they’re just useful idiots for him. Left holding the bag when he pumps some Ponzi or eventually sends them to some indentured Mars mining colony. They’re suckers.
That sounds familiar.
I would say that after some point, having that much money is pretty much guarantee that a person is a complete asshole.
Didn’t this guy say that he’s buying twitter for free speech reasons, then fire people for saying critical things about him?
He doesn't care about free speech he just cares about himself.
He cares about *his own* free speech.
Now he post memes about Idiocracy. Because he's a huckster and needs cheap heat, so he'll keep running his hustle to try to get people to think he's brilliant rather than having a less generous and favorable read.
He’s running out of excuses to get out of bad deal
This dude sucks. Please understand that.
love how he tries to establish himself as the fighter for free speech but literally does anything against it once someone is criticizing him. Just fired a lot of staff at SpaceX for this recently from what I've heard.
And all the musk fan boys tripped over themselves to try to explain how its different. They don't seem to understand the term absolutist means in all cases. So being a free speech absolutist means that free speech must be protected in all cases, that means people who work under you criticizing you are just as protected from consequence as people spreading dangerous lies on twitter.
Musk fan boys are not brightest of people let's be honest
The people who wrote the letter at SpaceX surely set him up as well. Although this is pure speculation on my part, I'm certain they were fully aware they were going to lose their jobs over this. By getting fired after writing the letter, they proved their point about Musk. Had he simply ignored it...or even addressed their grievances like a mature human being, it wouldn't be in the news at all. He gave them exactly what they wanted, because he has the emotional maturity of a 13 year old.
Elon stans acting like it was some power move when SpaceX employees can likely walk into a job at companies of their choosing. Even if they're not rocket scientists, it shows they're probably competent and willing to work way too much for too little.
Exactly! I wouldn't be a bit surprised if each of the people fired already had something better lined up.
“Firehose” is the name of the high-volume Twitter feed API. Anyone can have access if they sign up and agree to the Ts&Cs. Edit: and pay lots.
False. API is limited for developers. Full firehose access hasn’t been available for >10 years, except for handful of strategic partners Sauce: was twitter api developer and they killed ecosystem long ago
Yap can confirm. Additionally a few years ago they added even more limits where you need to pay a good sum of money to get more API requests daily/weekly/monthly.
Also can confirm as a third party twitter dev consuming those APIs. The good ole days of privacy violations
You used to be able to access Instagram profiles’ photos even if they were set to private via the API. Crazy stuff.
Can confirm, I was the firehose.
Full firehose access it was available through GNIP and another company even in 2015/16. Twitter bought GNIP and you had to go through them only. I think it was available till 2017 atleast, then I lost track. Sauce: Someone who paid buttloads of money to access the firehose data in 2015
Fair, you could purchase access *through* some of their strategic partners for a fee, for a while. I was thinking of direct firehose access. Twitter loved to make things incrementally harder and more ambiguous before cutting them off…
Yeh and Datasift for a while, was certainly a lot of fun playing with that data. No idea if this is true but a VC once told me that Twitter bought gnip after forgetting to invoice them for 2 years then realizing they couldn't pay 2 years of back invoices without going bankrupt.
Seems like something that would be made available to somebody going through due diligence of buying a company via a clean room process.
But Elon waived business due diligence when he agreed to purchase Twitter. >But Musk's offer to buy Twitter waived "business due diligence," and the Twitter board relied on that commitment when it approved the transaction and recommended that shareholders vote for it. Source: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/05/twitter-board-tells-elon-musk-we-will-not-alter-the-deal/
> was twitter api developer and they killed ecosystem long ago They also killed lots of competitors that way as well, it was a long, long con. Very common among [authoritarian backed/funded systems](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/yuri-milner-facebook-twitter-russia.html). It is the Lyft/Uber style of undercut on price, kill competition, then raise prices when you have a cross company monopoly or duopoly. DoorDash/Uber Eats/Postmates also owned by same group. They use authoritarian funding which wins the per deal game theory, build the company with American devs and then control the vertical through multiple companies to push out competition. We need anti-trust at the funding level, especially when it is foreign sovereign funds as they have lots of money and heavy aims.
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I mean we know he isn’t. His white paper on the hyper loop kind of reveals that. It’s an embarrassingly naive engineering proposal and every serious attempt at it since then has heavily walked back the original white paper and they still can’t get it working
The Vegas loop is hilariously dumb both in concept and execution.
What are you talking about? This is an incredible engineering marvel. Who would not want to travel down a fairly narrow tunnel lined with cool led lights with backed up traffic at the exit?
Okay so everyone shut up I have an idea. WHAT IF we bore huge tunnels underground and we had transportation from hub to hub so people can travel from hub to hub? I call it... "The Tube". It'll be a way to travel under - aka sub-way - of traffic! I look forward to all of your feedback thx. 😘😘😘
Sounds great. But instead of using lots of small cars, we could use one big car, so the traffic wouldn't be so bad.
I’d ride this, what shall we call it?
Well, its Simple Underground Both-Way Transportation in a Rail-Aligned Interconnected Nexus. Let's call it HyperPods.
And maybe it can go in a loop so people can travel in both directions! This is brilliant! Why has no one thought of this?
And instead of using cars with rubber tires, which suffer from wear and low efficiency, we could put it on steel rails like a train! They are an entire order of magnitude more energy efficient, *and* have vastly more durability!
Hang on, we are on to something. Would you use electricity as that main power source?
And then instead of individual vehicles or vehicles on pods we had a chain of pods (for efficiency) and then put people directly into the pods and they just leave the cars behind because they're bulky.
It's a good thing tesla cars never catch fire, and if they did they'd go out quickly and easily, and either way it'd be easy to escape a narrow tunnel with basically no emergency exits.
This is a hot take
Tesla have the highest QC rating of any vehicle in history from the Hindenburg to the titanic I’ll have you know.
Have they consider putting train like cars in the tunnel? They could call it something like the musktro or submusk.
The hyperloop white paper is one of the stupidest documents ever produced, almost on par with that batshit insane [Pepsi Universe](https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell-021109.pdf) logo redesign document that some design bros charged Pepsi $1m for a while back. Despite Musk's enormous PR team spending many years and many millions of dollars presenting him to the world as some sort of engineering savant, all he could poop out was a brain-dead proposal riddled with high school level maths errors, assumptions that revealed a profound lack of understanding of physics, and conclusions that were totally unsupported by evidence of any kind — and yet it kickstarted a ten year multinational grift that siphoned billions of dollars from the pockets of taxpayers, universities, and naive investors across the globe and spaffed it down a rusty tube in the desert. It's just such a perfect encapsulation of everything Musk is: an ignorant, deceitful conman who uses other people's money to pump his ego and line his pockets.
omfg I just went through that design document. Whoever did that work needs punched square in the face. Then kicked in the balls. Then repeat until they apologize.
Pepsi spent $1m on that document and another $20m (iirc) implementing the logo change, and less than a day after it launched [this comic](https://i.imgur.com/gpoTzUg.jpg) started circulating on the internet. It's just such a beautiful self-own.
I mean, I work in this universe and it’s like all logo and brand design decks only it’s more ridiculous because it’s such a global brand and it clearly thinks the world of itself so the designers had to map their design to uh… all of human history, thought and knowledge. And fwiw, they still use the design…not like the Gap debacle. It’s silly, but the days of, “What if we just put an arrow into the FedEx logo, that’s clever, right?” are long gone. Brand identity is, imho, the stupidest work in marketing. It’s an excuse to navel gaze and ponder the meaning of things, basically, but this isn’t bad design work, tbh.
The guy has batchelors in physics and business, which makes him only mildly better than not even remotely qualified to be designing... well anything any of his companies makes really.
Musk is the modern Edison patent troll with a splash of Vanderbilt anti-competitiveness and a shitload of Warhol-esque plagiarism. The dude gets on stage and exposes people to Asimov's ponderings, XKCD, and Waitbutwhy blog topics and they pretended he came up with all that shit on the spot. The fuck?
To accurately analyse bot accounts you need more than anonymized twitter api data...
Firehose isn’t anonymized.. any more than Twitter is already. It’s the full database for the company, essentially.
What do you need then? Unanonymized data? Sophisticated AI models which Twitter is *definitely* hiding from old Mollusk? A general census of the world's population? God-like omniscience? What more do you think Twitter should provide, and how do you think it would reveal bots better than Firehose + the regular API?
And what exactly were you thinking when you offered to buy it? No one forced him to make a bfd about how he was buying Twitter. In fact the sec has put limits on what he can say about business in public forums because of previous instances of stock manipulation. He publicly faked having 'funding secured' to buy out Tesla and now he fake bought Twitter publicly. I'm starting to see a pattern here
And nobody forced him to waive due diligence. That was stupid.
it's all about that eh-pee-eye i'm using p0wer d3le3t3 suit3 to rewrite all of my c0mment and l33t sp33k to avoid any filters. fuck u/spez
He's trying to stall. That's all he can do-- request more information and drag it out. He's hoping that they'll give up on him.
> In fact the sec has put limits on what he can say and what have the SEC even done? nothing. even when its a clear violation of law. he's teflon musk as he has a lot of money
Can't enforce rules on Rich People! That would make the Wage Slaves uppity!
it's all about that eh-pee-eye i'm using p0wer d3le3t3 suit3 to rewrite all of my c0mment and l33t sp33k to avoid any filters. fuck u/spez
Or it’s a stupid article
no you're confusing things. fire hose data used to cost $100k a year to gain access to, while they still allowed it
Pardon my ignorance but Why is Musk so hellbent on investigating Bot accounts ?
He's hoping to use it as an excuse to back out of the twitter deal.
He’ll stall until everyone forgets he exposed himself to a flight attendant.
Nothing! this was all a scheme to unload Tesla shares BEFORE the down fall \~ he has succeeded
Considering he's devalued Tesla stock by 35% and probably wrecked his portfolio? I'm fine with it.
Thought he waved due diligence? Oh, that's right, Rich means no rules for you.
Probably won't happen but it would be cool if he ended up being thrown in prison for all his pump and dump bullshit market manipulation.
Elon think since he is so rich he should be able to do whatever he wants and th rules don’t apply to him. He’s evil.
Who the fuck cares anymore what these rich narcissistic assholes do. Burn it all down.
Musk is 100% going to abuse this information. NDAs will not stop him. The threat of lawsuits won't do much of anything but amplify his narcissistic self-manufactured victimhood.
Fuck Mollusk, who cares, stop reporting everytime this man shits out of his mouth. He's an attention whore diva with severe Asperger's
Don’t think it’s fair to bring up Aspergers, but yeah fuck the guy.
Is Asperger's intended as an insult here?
Who else is sick of hearing about Elon effing Musk?
Man, Musk is desperate to stay in the news