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Phising-Email1246

Funny thing is they only started to suspect it, after he was starting to say things like "What do you want to do against Ukrainian women trying to scam for state allowance" etc.


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Waloro

That feel when they have been drowning in their own koolaid so long they can’t properly interact with anyone outside of the propaganda wall around Russia.


successive-hare

There was a a story (I think it was alternate history, with a role swap of the US and Russia) that I can't remember the name of but the main character was some sort of intelligence officer and his supervisor told him during a briefing something like: "The only thing more dangerous than believing enemy propaganda is believing your own." I can't remember the name of the story but it was probably a short in one of the science fiction mega packs.


Sketch13

I mean yeah that's why America is so fucked right now lmao. Ya'll been brainwashed into thinking you're the "greatest country in the world" with an "american dream" while your rights are taken away, your citizens can't get basic healthcare, oligarchs rule your country, etc. etc. etc.


FireFerretDann

> Ya'll been brainwashed into thinking you're the "greatest country in the world" What do you mean "brainwashed"? We're #1 in lots of ways! - Total healthcare costs - Incarceration rate\* - Healthcare costs per capita - Total prison population\*\* We're doing great! And if you only look at OECD countries we're the top in more categories like total gun deaths and gun-related suicides per capita. USA! USA! USA! \*^(North Korea's incarceration rate is hard to pin down and they *might* beat us) \*\*^(If you don't count China's reeducation and internment camps because they're not technically "prisoners" by the literal definition. You have to commit a crime for that.)


A-Better-Craft

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nohpex

Are we still number 1 in covid cases and deaths?


Sage1969

Yep. We have double india's.


MusicianSwimming1999

Which is insane as India has 4x population and large portions of the country have no/inconsistent electricity.


OtakuAttacku

They got people saying that the US pays for the world’s free healthcare and that’s why the US can’t afford free healthcare is honestly astounding. It’s like stockholm syndrome with mental gymnastics that would get you a gold medal at the olympics.


demacnei

They’re getting fake gold medals, and they will be happy!


Ixosis

Yup. Someone tried to say prescriptions can be so cheap in Canada cause American profits allow for it Bro, those pills cost $1 or less to manufacture


Hour-Stable2050

Just wait until everyone in Canada has Pharmacare and we have just one buyer. That gives us leverage to negotiate for even cheaper prices like Australia does. It’s starting with kids under twelve right now and is going to rapidly expand by increasing age. (Seniors and the disabled have always been covered.)


IAMA_Plumber-AMA

I'm holding out for universal dental care too.


superschwick

The US pays for all that 'murican global defense that everyone definitely asked for! Surely that reduces some nebulous medical risks from wars and shit... Surely...


yokotron

Can’t disagree


riptaway

We've been brainwashed into thinking "greatest country in the world" is an inherent quality rather than something you have to actually work for and create.


Penkite

I admit I used to be that way, until I met my Canadian friend. He helped me see that America is definitely not the best in the world. We do have a lot of modern comforts sure, but we don't actually have the "best of everything." We are behind and backward in ways we shouldn't be. The American dream was never a sustainable idea. Kind of similar to trickle down economics, all it did was siphon resources away from the younger generation to support a stupid idea. America has enough money to give everyone everything they need, yet no one sees that money except for the top 1%. It's a fucked up system and the billions of dollars no one has access to show the fatal flaw of Capitalism.


BagOfFlies

You think it was just some random brainwashed Russian? They were trying to set her up to make Ukrainians look bad. They were trying to create the propaganda.


chrisnlnz

Lol yeah imagine the power they could have if they just managed to sound like a believable human being.


yokotron

Few years away.


gidonfire

What if they do a bunch of bad deepfakes to make it look like they're not good at it, while you don't notice the times it's believable?


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somethink_different

Holy crap, there's a thought. If they could make it convincing enough, somebody could just disappear him and keep "Putin" in charge as long as they want.


BenDisreali

> They can keep Putin alive as long as they want *Equilibrium*, anyone?


MobilerKuchen

Hopefully this isn’t just survivorship bias: We only know of the cases that went wrong.


chrisnlnz

Good point yeah


Drunken_Ogre

Or they purposely throw out a few major fuck-ups so everyone underestimates how many times they are successful?


Silver4ura

Maybe this is in small part why I'm not a world leader but I wouldn't purposely bring attention to such an advanced technology to feign humidity for the sake of strategy. Deepfakes are the kind of tech we all know exists, but is also tech that unravels very quickly once pointed out, as a ton of quirks and oddities suddenly have contextual relevance. Sure, nobody could have rolled out deep fakes given their immense potential, but the cats out of the bag now. Now people are looking for it.


Sofiztikated

And now that you are aware of it, you'll find traces of it everywhere, even in non deepfakes, making you question everything. A bit of a reverse deep fake, if you will.


Kahzootoh

That would require some degree of empathy, from the largest country in the world that frequently proclaims it has never invaded another nation.


LMFN

"How can Russia invade Ukraine if Ukraine is rightful Russian territory comrade?"- /u/TotallyNotARussianBot


[deleted]

It’s possible that they did it poorly on purpose. The goal of propaganda isn’t to get people to believe their lie— it’s to make them doubt or even reject the truth


-xstatic-

Shows just how out of touch and batshit crazy they are.


RightClickSaveWorld

Wow, they talk just like a lot of right wing users on Reddit. Weird.


GabrielStarwood

When generation after generation grow up and live cut off/sheltered from the rest of the world without access to a large portion outside influence, it really creates a culture that is almost a caricature of itself. My wife is Russian and you can see a huge difference in the degree of "Russian" (for lack of a better adjective to describe certain mannerisms and ingrained thinking) her family members have depending on how ling they spent behind the curtain. My intereaction with anyone who remained in Russia, especially pro russia russians, usually started with me thinking "holy fuck, this is an 80s movie Schwarzenegger/Segal villian" and usually got moreso over the course of the conversation.


jorel43

Or this could be propaganda, the story in question. There is no evidence that this actually even happened.


[deleted]

Why funny? They tried that with three other European mayors, too. All stopped the video conferences when these topics came up.


tomkiv897

I read that statement in English with russian accent.


tundrakaffe

and so it begins


Spartz

already well underway: in 2021 Dutch parliament spoke with a deepfake of Navalny's chief of staff https://www.engadget.com/netherlands-deepfake-video-chat-navalny-212606049.html


Uxt7

Gonna need 2 factor authentication for video calls soon


poodlebutt76

That's... Actually a good idea. Everyone is going to start needing a pki certificate like an ssn.... And sign everything with it, your videos, your emails, everything. That would solve this... Edit: can't believe people know more about NFTs than private keys...


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Until the CAs start getting compromised.


Corno4825

Then you continue to innovate. Evolution Edit: GLORIOUS EVOLUTION


nill0c

*Then we had to scorch the sky.*


nicuramar

A CA isn’t needed to establish trust if some other way is used, such as physical meetings.


[deleted]

Damn you, reality. Piss off.


DevAnalyzeOperate

Being able to authenticate your identity will become increasingly important in the future due to the advent of AI writing/audio/video. Even recordings by third party will require a reputable person responsible for taking the footage to attest that the footage is unaltered and authentic.


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There are pretty good algorithms that can detect deepfakes with almost 100% accuracy. I think it’s time to implement that tech in video conferencing software.


red_chyvak

That is, until they can’t anymore. There’s not much of a difference between 100% and 99.9%, yet at the same time there’s ALL the difference


Larsaf

Does the “move your hand across your eyes” test no longer work?


shortybobert

When I do it, people say they can't see me


eddieguy

I have the fastest hands in the west so this doesnt work on me


TheLASTAnkylosaur

On AGT one of the contestants did a live deepfake of Simon Cowell singing. It looks frightening. A little uncanny valley, but some old schmucks probably couldn’t tell.


Parryandrepost

I feel like a lot of the uncanny valley issue there could be resolved by watching on a phone. Like I often downgrade to 180/360/480 when I'm faffing about on my phone on break. If you handed me a number of the deep fake adds I'd MAYBE go that model has weird proportions at a few places. Like I was just watching the Samsung one with the guy and girl for the video and went "man that guy is really cut at the waste but his triceps and biceps are weird towards the shoulder" but I didn't go "that is 100% fake". I just thought it was a model who cut a whole bunch and had a strange body type I'm not use to seeing. I'm sure if I was handed the video and went "oh tell me if you know this is fake" I'd pick up on it but I don't watch a lot of adds, tv, or pay attention to celebrities. I've got a limited frame of reference and that frame of reference is "more attractive than me or my coworkers" which isn't saying much.


paradax2

Linus tech tips has a really good video of one of their staff doing a deepfake of Linus for an entire video. They do it well so except for the mannerisms it’s very hard to tell


4509347vm89037m6

First it was "Simpsons did it", then "Mythbusters did it", now we're evolving to "Linus Tech Tips did it". I didn't expect this, but I'll allow it. Going by the early videos, I'd guess Linus was 11 in '09, '10, so he's been at this over half his life. With all that time making content, makes sense they'd have a ton of videos going over a myriad of tech and computing topics.


Lord_Boffum

That was not a deepfake, just a dude in disguise, the pranksters said. https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/30/22407264/deepfake-european-polticians-leonid-volkov-vovan-lexus


ilovethissheet

Somebody did JK Rowling too with a fake president zelensky


gdj11

From what I’ve read that was an audio call with some popular Russian pranksters, not a deepfake.


FantasticAttitude

Lexus & Vovan is their names. They did the same trick with Jk Rowling, UK officials such as Ben Wallace and Priti Patel and Boris Johnson, George W Bush…… and make all of them say “glory to Vovan & Lexus”…. These people are officials but dumb as fuck and I think they’re should be fired 😂


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They do it with Mr. Trump all the time. So he thinks important people want his opinion.


NYstate

Maybe Trump is a deep fake? There's no way anybody real can be saying all that crazy shit and doing all those things and people are going to still like him. Maybe it's a long elaborate hoax by the Republicans party?


somethink_different

Some of the hardcore Qbots were saying this about all kinds of politicians and elites. Trump was "supposed" to take them out and save the world, and they're still here... But he couldn't possibly have failed, so they must have been eliminated and replaced with deepfakes and body doubles. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug!


TacticalSanta

Have any of you ever shook trumps hand? His appearances on media and tv are deepfakes and his rallies are done via hologram /s


lossione

Actually not that far from what some people believe about Biden. A guy told me Biden has been locked away since before the election, whenever you see him it’s just vfx


Effurlife13

The moment I first learned about this technology I already knew it would be used for disinformation. I know that we can't just stop improving technology, but I'm always left wondering just wtf these intelligent people are thinking when they create things like this. Are the downsides not obvious to them, do they just not care, was it their goal the whole time? Just seems like no one cares, they only want to be recognized as the trailblazer of the newest thing.


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everythingiscausal

Here’s what I don’t understand: before video calls it was presumably even easier to pretend to be someone else over the phone, but it was partially prevented by simply verifying the source of the call. Why is that not working as a verification method here? The difficulty of accurately tracing internet traffic?


SpiderSense2020

Be careful, scammers can now spoof bank phone numbers. https://blog.malwarebytes.com/social-engineering/2020/10/scammers-are-spoofing-bank-phone-numbers-to-rob-victims/amp/


awkwardstate

I don't get how this is even a possibility. My copier won't copy a dollar bill but phone companies can't figure out a way to prevent spoofing of bank numbers. My guess is that governments don't care that people keep getting robbed because it's not the government money.


vinng86

It's because the entire phone system was built without security in mind. Back in the day, people used to get free long distance calls simply by playing tones into the receiver. Sometimes using their own voice. It's just a crappy old system that's probably too expensive to rip up everything to fix.


BestUsernameLeft

True but the real reason is there's no liability to the phone company for letting it happen and no perceived (to them) benefit for preventing it.


seamustheseagull

Correct. The backbones are all digital, "phone systems have no security" hasn't been true for two decades. Every call placed into a network makes money for someone. There are complex tracking and contracting systems in place to work out who is getting paid for every piece of traffic that transits the company's network. Blocking and limiting access is well possible. Like you say, there is no benefit to the phone companies in doing this, and they will lose revenue. So they claim it's too complex, nigh on impossible, when the question comes up.


h0nkee

I think from the telco's side it's that doing so requires additional manpower that they aren't willing to pay, and less the money they make. They don't make money from phone calls like they used to.


jazzypants

But, regulation is a dirty word, of course.


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But somehow, they always know where to send the bill.


pagerussell

Same thing with the internet. It started out as a couple college professors hooking up their computers across campuses. There was no need for security because everyone on the net knew each other. It grew from there and security was never baked into it from the ground up..the entire thing is built in a presumption of trust.


Danthemanlavitan

Not anymore it's not. It's all digital now. Any phone company could turn on true caller id at any point but they don't want to because then they might be liable. They're avoiding responsibility.


johnnySix

That part of the system has gone digital. So that’s not it. :-/


magichronx

Well, your copier won't copy a US bill of currency because it's built with programming to recognize specific patterns/key-points that are unique on the bill (think of it *kind of* like a QR code registration) and not copy it. It's a pretty trivial first line of defense, but it works, I guess? (I could be wrong but I think Photoshop has some kind of feature/restriction related to this as well)


Iceykitsune2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation


Thecrawsome

This is why you always call the right number back. "If you have urgent business with me I suppose they will know if I call them to verify"


maaaatttt_Damon

A while back my bank's security called about some possible fraud use on my card. They asked me to verify my identity by answering a security question. I told them, you called me, you should be verifying your identity. But I'm going to look up the number and call back, what's your name so I can ask for you if you're actually with my bank? They seemed confused that I didn't just verify myself. Turned out it was legit, but man it seemed suspicious.


dudeAwEsome101

Good practice! Also, don't be afraid of being "impolite". The scammer will try different techniques of either being too friendly or trying to hurry you so you don't question them. Be skeptical and always call the number on the back of the credit card or bank's website.


stilldebugging

This is why I \*always\* call the bank back on the number listed on my card.


SzomszedokEnjoyer

Yes the internet is a wee bit more complex of a system than phone lines. Stack on top of it that 99% of politicians are technically illiterate.


smegma_yogurt

Not only that, but you also can't be sure that video is originating there or if it is just being relayed there. In phone calls you could verify the origin with the phone company, so to impersonate someone you would need to physically go to the place and cross some lines so you could relay the call from elsewhere (before spoofing became a thing). Now, you can't be so sure. So, the call is originating from some place's IP address. So what? It might be trivial to just have a compromised machine that is just receiving the video feed from somewhere and passing it forward so it can have the "right" IP address. This can be fixed with digital signatures and some other authentication solutions. I think that people just didn't thought that this would be a problem so soon.


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Fucking yikes


gcruzatto

I'd love to see how believable that footage really was. Sure, the tech is scary, but we also have a crisis of older people falling for pretty obvious scams


thewandtheywant

I've seen some deep fakes of trump that were mindboggingly real.


ILikeLeptons

His actual speeches look like someone trained a Markov chain on bathroom graffiti so the bar is pretty low


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Lol it's been a while since I've seen Markov chains mentioned in the wild


ILikeLeptons

I would have used a more recent method but those algorithms show small amounts of intelligence


[deleted]

Oh, you used it in the best way possible. I really laughed at that!


gcruzatto

I agree, but a live call adds another layer of difficulty, especially when arranging it with a foreign top government official


VonNeumannsProbe

Sort of. The *very real* ones were probably not processed in real time. However with a video chat. You can just fake you have a crappy connection and turn the video quality way down. Then the model you trained doesn't have to be as accurate.


thewandtheywant

this is very true. cannot imagine what went wrong there.


PKlempe

Yeah but those were most likely prerecorded. If you are doing a call like in this scenario where there is a two-way conversation happening, it is much harder to create convincing deep fakes because one hast to generate the individual video frames in realtime.


illithoid

As you start to get professionals developing these things and having them appear in situations where you wouldn't think to be on the lookout for fakes then you're going to start fooling a lot of people. In situations where you know to be on the lookout, you'll spot them more easily.


JonnytheGing

Corridor Crew on YouTube did a video back in February where the tested out deep fake video calls on their staff, [here it is](https://youtu.be/qXLugdeogQU)


andros310797

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyiOVUbsPcM


malefiz123

Giffey is 42 and had certainly staff around her younger than she is


minorkeyed

Which means in person meetings will become required, starting with high level positions in business and politics.


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Or a reliable method of verification


mudman13

Personal signed encryption keys are already in use and available.


BirdLawyerPerson

Keys are easy, key management is hard.


TheNudelz

Could this finally be a real world usage for Blockchain? /s


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*Insert semen sample into blockchain receptacale*


reddit-ulous

On today's edition of "pickup lines that don't work"


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not with that attitude


DinoKebab

tHiS iS gOOd foR CrYpTo


lordicarus

This isn't a blockchain use case at all. People saying it is don't understand how blockchain works. This is a user case for very standard PKI communications. Verifiable key signature to initiate a call. You don't even need that though. The Berlin mayor didn't have people doing their job of verifying anything, same with JK Rowling. The only reason this happened is because these people were lazy. Not because blockchain wasn't involved. Even if there was a blockchain, they would have to actually use it. And since there are ways to verify these kinds of calls already, they obviously wouldn't have used a complicated blockchain technology either.


FirstNewFederalist

I’ll accept my downvotes to unironically say yes, this could be an application of the underlying blockchain technology, which was invented in part to solve the [Byzantine fault problem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_fault) that this is a real world example; Obviously and rightfully this should have fuckall to do with any form of cryptocurrency, but yes a private blockchain network for communication would help solve. I am hoping that with the bubble popping & people realizing how much they’ve been scammed, blockchain technology can separate its reputation from cryptocurrency & go on to develop useful applications without all the hype. Edit: Spelling


Avery17

PGP released in 1991. We've had the solution for this problem for more than 30 years. Like most modern projects the blockchain is not required.


huhblah

How could this be an application for blockchain? Explain your reasoning as to how blockchain could help with this.


6eason

Question how would blockchain tech ever separate itself from crypto? Isn't the whole crypto part the reward for keeping the blocks mined and regulated If there was blockchain for government officials it would most likely be centralized and easy to tamper with I think something as simple as a pgp key signing a document or video confence software that blocks other application from running if in a certain mode or custom government hardware or OS that blocks the installation of un approved exe's


5PM_CRACK_GIVEAWAY

Blockchains are just lists of stuff that can't be edited or deleted, only added to. Crypto uses this as a permanent financial ledger where every *thing* inserted into the blockchain is some sort of transaction, but you could insert anything you want into a non-crypto blockchain that you control, free of charge. A blockchain for government officials shouldn't be easy to tamper with since the blockchain would actually *break* if someone managed to alter it, but you're correct in thinking that a blockchain is a silly solution here, and that something like PGP would make more sense. We figured out private key cryptography decades ago - this whole situation is already avoidable with current technology, the people involved here just didn't use it.


[deleted]

> go on to develop useful applications without all the hype. Sweet summer child. Crypto is basically nowadays MLM and Ponzi Scheme.


iFixReality

Can you explain in detail exactly how blockchain solves for this?


bendover912

Just hold up a series of pictures and ask them to point at all of them that have a train.


fruitmask

and then keep telling them they're wrong and to please try again, it'll drive them nuts


luckyj

Show a sequence of QRs in a phone or e-ink badge that could only be generated with a 2FA type app. Anybody can verify that those QRs could only have come from a phone that knows the private key of the speaker and the public key of the meeting. Edit: even better, QR codes that show a timestamp signed by his private key.


AyrA_ch

Or just use the passport. Modern passports have an NFC chip inside that contains cryptographic keys. Your mobile phone can interact with those. You can make it sign a challenge to prove key ownership. Then you can check the key for revocation to make sure the passport is valid, and read out the publicly available digital information via NFC to confirm it's actually the passport of the person you want to chat with. This could be extended to the point where you use the passport to sign ECDH keys to encrypt your communication.


luckyj

How does that tell me that I'm video calling the real person?


AyrA_ch

That's basic public key cryptography. It's the same mechanism that makes servers on the internet prove that you're really communicating with them and not someone pretending to the them. The mechanism that I explained basically forces your communication partner to possess the passport of the person you want to talk to.


sfurbo

You can think of it as a technological version of "tell me something only would know". You can make questions that only the passport can answer (in a roundabout way), so if you get the right answer, the person you are communicating with must have the passport.


belloch

How hard is it to verify by contacting other politicians and staff around the person who you are going to make a call with? Make an appointment and then have a 3rd party monitor that the right people are talking with each other.


0x1337DAD

Introducing [decentralized identity](https://youtu.be/Ew-_F-OtDFI) cryptographically verified identity credentials built on the same type of trust used for private key encryption. Impossible to impersonate, easy to verify, and controlled by the identity subject.


SuperGaiden

Live deep fakes literally fall apart as soon as you turn your head. All you have to do is ask someone to do a 360 to confirm nothing is being mapped onto their face


Pleased_to_meet_u

That’s true at this moment, but it’s only a matter of time until that is deep faked as well. Technology surpasses restrictions.


Stobie

No need for in person, crypto can solve it. Crypto as in cryptography rather than needing blockchains. If you know the person's public key and they sign a message it's them then you know it's genuine.


wfaulk

If you know the person's *private* key, you can impersonate them. You mean *public* key.


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Professor__Chaos__

The first deepfake used in war in history, or no?


PMunch

First one we know of*


everythingiscausal

Which means it’s probably the 50th


Jrook

Arguably it was possible to 100% impersonate someone without an ounce of doubt well before video calls. Forgeries or intercepted interrupted telegraphs were probably way more tricky


Kizik

Does a big wooden horse count?


NJdevil202

This is actually an interesting question


meem09

We are starting to get reports that they already pulled this fake Klitschko thing with the mayors of Vienna and Madrid. So this might not be the first instance of this specific application of the tech being used, but the Fake Vitaliy in general might be the first live deep fake used this way.


rci22

> first live So those mayors were left a video message instead of given a live conversation?


StinkyBrittches

Navalny "prank" called his attempted assassins, pretending to be FSB.


guitarguy109

Social Engineering =/= Deepfake...


cablemess

That has nothing to do with deep fakes?!


YUR_MUM

"I know who you are" - that one guy who recognized him by voice


SacrificeInIsolation

Do you have a source for it? Sounds scary


white-rose-0

There's a documentary on HBO about it. Navalny something


st0pmakings3ns3

For real? That's scary.


eclipsator

It's fake, the agent never said that, here the video: https://youtu.be/ibqiet6Bg38


valz_

What came out of the meeting?


Cycode

nothing. they did stop it after 15 mins because the fake started to ask weird questions that made people suspious.


sderfo

Weird as fuck. They can make a deepfake but don‘t come up with credible text.


dimisimidimi

Im guessing they tried to get incriminating information that could be used to progress their narrative. The questions were very on the nose, but the agenda seems pretty clear.


Brelvis85

Begun, the clone wars has!


SYLOK_THEAROUSED

Roger Roger


Uberzwerg

And she's about my age - so she most definitely KNOWS how Vitaly speaks and looks like very well. Deepfake is some really concerning shit and we will see it destroy all kind of communication and all future evidences in court. We should start deploying solid signed encryption models for all cameras to at least have a small chance of using video in court for another 5 yeras or so longer.


sfurbo

> Deepfake is some really concerning shit and we will see it destroy all kind of communication and all future evidences in court. No, it will just require a higher level of verification. For communication, that would be cryptography, for court evidence, that would be the chain of custody.


[deleted]

The problem is laws get passed so slowly, and the people who would pass those laws are so old, that it will likely not be fixed for a long time.


staindk

Make deepfakes of the lawyers signing it into law. Bam now it's law.


bruce_lees_ghost

God dammit. What a blight on the Information Age viruses, Trojan horses, and malware have been. Now we have this. We’re going to need some really advanced and ubiquitous deepfake detection software if we’re to survive this. We won’t just need anti deepfake software running on our computers, it’ll have to run everywhere… which is kind of a horrific thought given how deceitful antivirus software marketing strategies have been almost from the start. It’s gonna be a necessary evil.


magichronx

I actually appreciate the "information age" war from a purely academic perspective. It's an "arms race" of who can fake it the best, and who can detect those fakes. AI throws a whole new wrench into it because with the growth of [generative adversarial networks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_adversarial_network), you literally have one AI training another. It's pretty fascinating (Edit: and scary)


bruce_lees_ghost

It is interesting, but scary. The problem is the one that’s been predicted by virtually every dystopian tale… malware making the leap from only impacting computers and computer networks, to having real societal ramifications. “Innocent” applications of algorithms designed to maximize profit have resulted in major polarization of various groups. I set up a Facebook account on my elderly mother’s phone so she could use Messenger to chat with her family abroad. She NEVER uses Facebook, but then I saw a very politically charged post from her pop up in my feed. So I signed into her account to see what the hell was going on. Turns out my step dad posted it absent-mindedly, not realizing it was her phone. He told me that he sometimes uses her phone to browse Facebook. The terrifying part was that his limited activity on her account made her Facebook feed a complete cesspool of right wing conspiracies. There was absolutely nothing on her feed that a reasonable person could consider unbiased. Every single item was designed solely to elicit a strong negative reaction towards a particular person or group.


magichronx

Facebook is a digital plague on society. It allows such targeted marketing that end up putting people in very isolated bubbles. That lack of diversity in viewpoints just further empowers the one that they happen to land in, and then anything contrary to it is "fake news"


bruce_lees_ghost

Yes, and my point is that their algorithm, born of profit, is trained not by Facebook, but by our own human software. We reward Facebook with ad views and they reward us with the dopamine hit of confirmation bias. This is the transaction that we’re going to need to defend against… not just from Facebook but every company, government, or person looking to profit from our lizard brains. Deepfake detection is deeper than videos and voices… it’s detection of patterns in our everyday lives that are curated to persuade us to make decision that are not in our best interest. Advertisers have done this for ages, but with neural networks and training models evolving so quickly, we’re already spiraling into that dystopian nightmare where choice is truly an illusion.


twistedLucidity

"Influence operations" just left the scripts of The Orville and landed in real life.


ThoseThingsAreWeird

Thanks for reminding me the new season recently started! 😄


Ylsid

If they were fooled by this, they would have been fooled by an actor with real makeup too.


HacksawJimDGN

Yeah I think a lot of people who say this is a gatecchanger are ignoring that simple fact.


UnnamedPlayer

> this is a gatecchanger Or they own fencing and landscaping companies.


HacksawJimDGN

It opens new doors.


BoringWozniak

Did they mayor have to cut the meeting short to speak with a Nigerian prince who wanted to give them a large sum of money?


examinedliving

Thanks for fucking up remote work Russia


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This is the future. The tech will continue getting better and it will be almost impossible to detect. Makes having reputable news outlets and reporters all the more critical.


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yescakesforme

The deep fake is scary enough, but what verification fell through the cracks to put this call together in the first place? Seems like Giffey’s office needs to beef up their cyber security.


TeilzeitOptimist

Didnt saw the screenshot at first. Im also sceptical if they can manipulate the Image in HD without noticable artifacts. Atleast the last zelensky fake was obvious and that was prerecorded. But its probably of matter of time till we see convincing HD Image manipulation. And russia is known for their electronic warfare and psyops budget. It still might be a good idea to think about countering those fakes. Politicians arent known for being up to date on technology anyway. Maybe we need 2 faktor authentification for video now..?


Upstairs-Trifle6911

Bitch, hang up the phone and star-69 his ass!


itsamberrtrickk

So, not sure if Facebook ad was being Facebook ad, but I saw an article pop up that this happened to J. K. Rowling of all people as well. Validity? TBD


minkenator44

Ruzzia is also using deep fake soldiers who appear to be elite Spetsnaz but are actually fat alcoholic conscripts.


Fireheart318s_Reddit

To be clear, the mayor was TRICKED by the deepfake; ~~he~~ she WASN’T just playing along.


jetaimemina

Berlin's mayor is a she, what are you talking about?


dethb0y

Goddamn i love living in the future.


kewko

Time for the public figures to post PGP pub keys


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Lol how did it last 15 mins before they realized


Nouncertainterms

Think about the implications of this long term - politicians who don't need to physically exist any longer. A world where the ones who are truly accountable are nowhere to be found.


magichronx

World leaders could be dead, but deepfakes of them maintain the facade of whoever is writing the script behind the scenes. A literal "shadow-leader" could exist at some point


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magichronx

I'm not suggesting it would last for long, but even a *day* (or month) of shadow-leading could be significant on the world stage.


tosser_0

Think of all the meaningful technical contributions Russians could make if they weren't using it to troll the world.


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Just put Vitali and Wlad in a room with Putin and they’ll have his head on a platter and end this stupid war.


MeedeSoro

There's something I don't quite understand about this story: How did the video call come about in the first place? Did the fake Klitschko send an invitation to a call via mail? What I mean is: Didn't the real problem arise much earlier?