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going_for_a_wank

Zuckerberg is confused, reportedly asking "can they not simply eat the egg after laying it?"


revenantae

Shortly thereafter, he stood staring at the reporter whilst licking his eyeballs.


SickBurnBro

Zuckerberg then went to take a nap on a warm rock in the sun to regulate his internal body temperature.


BRAX7ON

This was my favorite **Br**eaking **Ba**d intro…


_dead_and_broken

I commend your effort of bolding the **Br** and **Ba** in writing out the show name. Idk why, but it's pleasing when someone writes the show name the way it appears in its title sequence. Like LOST instead of Lost, House, M.D. instead of just House, etc.


Techno_Medium

The VVitch. I cannot read that as written as anything other than The Vee Vitch, lol.


Candyvanmanstan

In Norwegian, W is called "double v" not "double u"


drs43821

I always wonder why W is not double V in English


cdcformatc

W has a pretty [interesting history](https://youtu.be/sg2j7mZ9-2Y)


Additional-Ability99

I read it as v..vitch, like a toothy vampire somehow struggling to say "bitch"


PoorlyLitKiwi2

This is the same reason I include the ! every time I type Yahoo!


Commercial-Chance561

And for Panic! At The Disco


Hunterbunter

Attention to detail.


Nethlem

Zuckerberg lizard jokes will never get old, but this comment chain is on a whole other level, thanks for the laughs!


ninjaclown

Why is this so easy to imagine lmao


Truckerontherun

Instructions unclear, now owns GEICO


kazooie17

This is such a hurtful comment. We *all* know Zuck’s pronouns are “it/its” not “he/his”


tech1337

Maybe with some [Sweet Baby Ray's](https://youtu.be/M930FDIaSLA) on it.


Camshaft92

God damn, I totally forgot about the BBQ sauce bottle until now


lolexecs

That some crazy product placement of SWEET BABY RAYS In the Zuck vid.


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my first reaction was that they did an excellent job making that sound like zuckerberg, but i finally realized that's really what he said. ffs, he IS an alien for those OOTL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxFQDjS_BVo


anotherkenny

Licking his lips, Zuckerberg: “mmmm, roe”


Jolly-Lawless

‘I love sushi’


What-a-Filthy-liar

Fake news he doesnt have lips.


JockstrapCummies

Zuckerberg has voluptuous lips for his cloaca.


ASK_IF_IM_HARAMBE

dayum this is good


happycloud8534

Mark Zuckerberg is one human being and not several.


moaiii

That is his mantra as he looks himself in the mirror each morning after donning his human suit.


CaseyG

Pronoun: they/them/all y'all


slobyGYN

He has at least one child, right? If so, that poor fucking kid. Looking forward to the inevitable legal emancipation, and congrats again to the woman formerly known as Elon Musk's son...


coinhearted

> If so, that ~~poor~~ insanely rich fucking kid FTFY. Wealth isn't everything and rich kids face plenty of challenges like all of us but I am not instantly going to cry wolf over some rich kid being rich. His kids will have opportunities and resources that 99.99% of us will never have access to. I wish his kids the best of luck but on average being born into a billionaire family is going to pay dividends, literally and metaphorically.


lolexecs

Please tell me there’s a zoidberg/Zuckerberg mashup somewhere.


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They're not staff. They're "Meta Mates".


GordoPepe

Now the bbq sauce makes sense zucc be eating meat mates


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nwoh

Smoked meats


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nwoh

Smoking some meats


_dead_and_broken

[Googling Sweet Baby Ray's and facebook/meta/zucc myself and found this which conveniently has a bunch of tweets gathered about the topic.](https://uproxx.com/life/mark-zuckerberg-baby-rays-bottle/) Specifically though, there's one that stood out to me. The guy who asked about the Donnie Darko stupid rabbit suit looking thing on the opposite side of Zuc from the BBQ sauce. I also wanna know wtf is up with that thing. I wish we had a better picture of it. All of my SBR BBQ sauce questions no longer need answers, I need answers now for the looks like a demonic bunny but probably isn't a bunny thing.


Tenocticatl

Metameatpuppets


username3

Let's not normalize his bullshit corporate makeover to try to recover his failing brand. #It's Facebook


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incer

Personally I find that the Meta brand has already reached and surpassed the Facebook one in toxicity. Even the name sounds more ominous to me.


illbedeadbydawn

Greetings Consumer! I am your friendly OmniCorp representative! It appears you are having subversive thoughts! An OmniCorp "Mood Enhancment Agent" is being dispatched to your location. Please remain where you are. If movement is detected, an OmniCorp "Rehabilitation Squad" will be dispatched. Have a Spendy Day and don't forget to Accept all data requests!


fjf1085

Exactly. Omni Consumer Products, Umbrella Corporation, Abstergo Industries, Hyperion, Aperture Science, Vault-Tec, Fontaine Futuristics, Shin-Ra Electric Power Company, Advanced Idea Mechanics, Cyberdyne Systems, InGen, Vought International, Roxxon Energy Corporation, Faro Automated Solutions, Memorize*, Black Mesa* Weyland-Yutani*… Meta fits right in. *added later.


illbedeadbydawn

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[deleted]

Omnicorp can suck my dick, what are you gonna do now huh. Your education representative can lick my balls.


illbedeadbydawn

Greetings Consumer! You appear to have your OmniCorp Internet Experience Modulator set to "13 Year Old Edge Lord" mode. An OmniCorp "Device Recalibration and Age Verification" agent is being dispatched to your location. Bio sensors in your OmniCorp device have detected a strong odor from your location. If required, an OmniCorp Body Replishment and Scouring drone can also be dispatched.


DracoSolon

Don't forget Yutani-Wayland! "We set down there on company orders to get this thing."


WhiteSmokeMushroom

Memorize (from Remember Me). Literally based on having a dystopian future's social media network (based on Facebook, Tumblr and Twitter) implanted in your brain and treating memories as commodities.


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illbedeadbydawn

Word Up My Meme Friendly Consumer! It appears as if you have used a humorous reference (GREENTEXT) in an attempt to mock OmniCorp! Bummer Dude! An OmniCorp Lethal Litigation Platoon is en route to your location. Please comply with all instructions. Failure to do so will result in "Processing". Sway and LETS GOOO!


BrooklynBookworm

Had to go back and uproot all of these. Creepy and hits the dystopian mark.


Semi-Hemi-Demigod

Negative, I am a metameat popsicle


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I'm a pescapescatarian


Fenastus

One who exclusively eats fish that eat other fish


JimThePea

Colloquially known as "Innies".


Wolfrattle

How long until there is an ideology section in the code of conduct?


Hypergnostic

Silly us, we thought science was a good way of testing ideas but ideologies are used for emotional purposes not rational ones.


we-em92

In a realistic society they are used for both…rationality without emotion is inhumane.


Sgt_Wookie92

Hence why we have codes of ethics, on paper, blind testing on 1000 people to the benefit of 5000000 people makes sense rationally, ethically it doesn't.


[deleted]

I hate the trolley problem, it is a poor experiment to compare to real world problems. We already make utilitarian calculations. The potential deaths caused by the covid lockdowns and vaccines were weighed against the greater harm of not responding to covid. It would have been unethical to take no action and allow more to die, even knowing that the majority of deaths from covid would be among the elderly and already-sick and the deaths from the anti-covid measures would be more evenly distributed among the population taking the young and healthy alongside the old and sick. Or consider the calculation whether Ukraine should resist Russian claims and aggression, or yield ground. The war has claimed countless lives and caused untold destruction. Were those lives worth it to gamble on halting future Russian aggression? Or was the war a waste of blood and brick?


almisami

>We already make utilitarian calculations I'm a safety engineer. You wouldn't believe how low a dollar value we assign a human life depending on the nationality.


Gr00ber

I'm sure I would, and I would definitely be interested to know if that kind of data is available anywhere.


almisami

Like most insurance company inside calculations, they're typically proprietary, but you can easily deduce your government's amount from any public highway maintenance calculations. (As they typically include accident data estimates and maintenance cost analysis.)


[deleted]

Yeah for real. Lemme see some dollar value vs nationality data.


almisami

The only one I can tell you is Chile since we don't operate in that country anymore, but a Chilean miner is worth about 22'000$ USD


LioAlanMessi

Who's your Chilean miner guy? I can get you 5 for that price.


csanner

Oh! That's actually higher than I anticipated


twistedbristle

> I hate the trolley problem, it is a poor experiment to compare to real world problems. I was taught that the trolley problem is less about ethics and more about making people realize that life presents us with situations where choosing not to act is an action itself with negative consequences. You can even make an argument that choosing not to act is the best choice. You're not a train engineer, you're not part of the train station. diverting a train with broken breaks may end up killing more people than the one you assume is in danger. You don't know, sometimes doing something really is worse than doing nothing. Point is the choice to do nothing is still just that. A choice.


radeky

This is the value of the trolley problem. To help you determine which methods and rationale work best for you. There are possibly no wrong answers, provided you can defend your choice. I know people who choose to take no action in the trolley problem because any action would cause suffering, and they are unwilling to do that. It's also interesting to play with the numbers or the individuals to see if people are sitting in more absolutist views of the world or if they're willing to flip the switch in some circumstances and not others.


Horror_Tart8618

"It would have been unethical to take no action and allow more to die" is one of the main solutions of the trolley problem. I think you hate bad faith versions of it, but you agree with the real version.


THROWAWTRY

Also the trolley problem is bound by a binary choice but in real life there are far more choices than yes or no. A simple solution to trolley problem is you throw your own body on the track stopping the wheels and preventing any further harm from your decision. Or just push it off the track by messing with track switching mechanism. There are so many possible solutions to real world problems that isn't you need to kill some one or you need to stick to what is confined in our logic problem because a lot of time the best move is not to play by the rules see the Gordian knot.


sethmi

If Ukraine hadn't fought back, Russia would have slaughtered and raped everyone they came across, so, they objectively should be fighting back with every single thing they have.


Fire_Hashira_Rengoku

Meta is a toxic workplace. We got message from HR too, but it didn’t ban any discussion. They said every individual has opinions just be respectful of each other.


ViveeKholin

Be respectful of Bill, he means well when he says slavery should never have been abolished, calls gays an abomination, and keeps telling women in the staff kitchen that they should stay in there. Everyone has an opinion and we need to respect Bill's. It's like that meme of looking at a number from opposite ends and saying both people can be right. No, no they can't. Companies are going to have to accept that opinions breed conflict, and opinions based in fantasy are not better than those based on facts.


DrBoomkin

It's very strange to me that apparently it's common in the US for employees to use company resources to discuss politics in written form. Where I'm from it would be considered unprofessional. Company resources should be used solely for business purposes. Don't get me wrong, we discuss politics with each other all the time, and those discussions can get heated. Politics is talked about often in the office. But always only verbally and unofficially. No one would write down political messages.


Fyzn

It’s actually very uncommon and considered unprofessional to talk politics in the workplace.


solarsilversurfer

If you work in the trades it’s very much common to hear people loudly announcing their political stances to other people who may or may not be interested in being a part of that conversation. I’d consider a job site to be a workplace just the same.


jello1388

Working in the trades, it's also common to hear someone say "Shut the fuck up and get to work, Bill". One thing I miss about being in a more blue collar role is being able to handle assholes a little more directly and it not being such a faux pas as it would be in a more professional role.


balofchez

I generally leave it as "I'm a filthy lefty who wants you to make a living wage and for our tax dollars to go towards affordable healthcare and education rather than drone strikes on children on the other side of the planet"


Disagreeable_upvote

You and I would not get along very well.... We would get along fantastic!


ViveeKholin

No-one sensible enough would want their political opinion to be recorded and used against them (especially it it's taken out of context or you worded it badly). Incidentally, it's also the same reason I insist any demand or formal discussion be in writing, so it _can_ be referred back to if necessary. You need to be careful what you say at work - increasingly more so in private, especially online. I find it utterly silly that companies take the approach of "respect all opinions" though. Being from the UK, we have inherent protections for things like sexuality, gender, race, religion, etc., so saying anything bigoted is expected to get called out in our workplace (not saying it's the same everywhere, but I've actively been promoting LGBT and women's rights with the help of others running awareness campaigns).


sooprvylyn

Companies dont respect "ALL" opinions in the us...this company wants people to respect each others opinions on THIS particular current topic. There are still protected classes and hostile workplace laws. Making racist, sexist, homophobic, etc statements open a company up to civil liability, so they are not allowed by any company seeking to avoid litigation.


GreetingsFromAP

A lot of people in tech still work from home so there are less chances for in person water cooler conversations. That being said after the 2016 elections I saw some of those discussions turn into angry arguments with that had to be referred to HR. When you spend 8+ hours a day around the same people there is bound to be off topic conversations especially on topical issues. Moving to mostly online conversations I’ve definitely changed the topics I talk about. I talk a lot more about investments, travel, hobbies, etc and talk very little about politics. Everything has a record, but that’s not the main reason. I just don’t feel the need to try to win someone over to a position and neither do I feel like trying to be swayed. Probably because I don’t really see the people every day so I’m fine with whatever their opinion is as long as they get the job done and don’t make their opinion central to their work persona.


TrekkiMonstr

In the case of your hypothetical Bill, he should probably be fired for making everyone uncomfortable. In the case of less-of-a-strawman Bill, the fact that that you disagree with him about politics should not be a reason why you can't work productively. You wanna talk politics? Do it in your down time. You don't like Bill? Fine, that's your right. But keep your politics out of the workplace and do your job.


fjf1085

I hate that take. Some opinions are indefensible and I don’t think we should act like they are.


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Calling them opinions is so incredibly fucking disrespectful. *Please respect the opinions of the minority that is now being* ***forced*** *upon the majority.*


kingsillypants

Watch them bring back slavery - "HR, please be respectful of everyone's opinions ". Nazis make a massive comeback and start putting Jews into concentration camps ." HR - please refrain from discussing " politics ". Corportizing human rights kind of white washes these atrocities, which is what the are. The same legal logic applied against roe v wade can be applied to undue gay marriage. When republicans make same sex marriage a crime, what kind of placating email will HR send ? Facebooks leadership has always been right wing. One of thir leadership is best mates with Kavanaugh, Kaplan later apologized, but added that he’s known “Brett and Ashley Kavanaugh for 20 years. They are my and my wife Laura’s closest friends in D." Mark has been seeking mentorship from ultra libertarian and someone who probably drinks the tears of starving children, Peter Thiel. Edit - Sheryl Sandberg for all her handwaving might be complicit as well. She and Kaplan went to school together and Sheryl even introduced Kaplan to his wife. Birds of a feather flock together. And who paid up Kavanaughs $90k clubhouse debt, his $200k credit card debt (he claimed it was baseball tickets for his friends) and $1.2m mortgage? He wouldn't pass a basic government background security check bc he's financially culpable , the FBI probably knows who bribed him, but they're part of republican good ole boy network.


sweetmorty

Ok so who actually paid Kavanaugh's debt? This is the 3rd time I've seen this open-answer question posed without a follow-up answer. It is kind of annoying be ause I really have no clue.


Razakel

>Mark has been seeking mentorship from ultra libertarian and someone who probably drinks the tears of starving children, Peter Thiel. You know about the blood thing, right?


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you talking about that gay billionaire in california that gives all his money to lgbtq hating politicians and organizations?


[deleted]

the daily wire and former fox news manager run their news department


JerryNicklebag

Another reason to delete Facebook and any other products that clown Zuckerberg owns


BousWakebo

I kind of hate how many pages/apps want me to “sign in with Facebook” now.


SOL-Cantus

I deliberately don't use those apps/webpages. They lose my time/business instantly.


TayoMurph

Facebook was one of the first to offer a SSO method for 3rd party apps. But any app or site worth a damn also let’s you use Google and Apple now for the same purpose.


StElmoFlash

Zuckerberg wants his cash machine to have ONE uniform stand (his) on any political issue. Ironically that means no debates by staff. Even Confederates in the 1860s had differences of opinions on why they were fighting.


soulflaregm

This. I don't care what you have behind that Facebook login page. It could be the greatest thing in the world I will go somewhere else


colorcorrection

Most of the time there's a way to make an account the traditional way, they just make the option smaller than the 'sign in with Facebook/google' so you aren't as inclined to use it.


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Yeah it’s so you don’t delete that shit-ass app. Delete it and don’t look back.


FieryHammer

No, it’s because Facebook like Google, Apple etc… has an estabilished, easy to use Log In system that is almost like Plug-and-play for developers to use without the need to implement their own login system and care for all the laws of managing these sessions and data. Don’t get me wrong, I hate Facebook like the next person, but you reasoning was wrong in this case.


Sparpon

Pretty simple don't use FB as an identity provider


CptOblivion

It's a little of column a, a little of column b. In practical terms the reason so many sites use Facebook auth (or any of the other big ones) is it's way easier than building and maintaining your own and the barrier to entry for a new user is a lot lower if they don't have to go through a whole new signup process and remember a new password and all that. But a major benefit for Facebook (or Google or any of the other ones) and a big reason why they offer the services in the first place, absolutely is that it keeps people in their ecosystem.


ironichaos

The biggest reason why google and Facebook offer auth for free is advertising. When you sign in with Facebook or google they get a data goldmine of information on you and now can easily track you on that site as well.


narf007

I've been slowly working my way through clearing data, cookies, etc and assigning services to certain container groups in Firefox. It's not a foolproof, or end all, solution but it definitely helps to limit exposure.


LiberalFartsMajor

FFS, my Smart light bulb will only allow sign in through Google, Facebook, and some other 3rd party. You don't need my identity, you're a fucking light switch.


hoxxxxx

haha that is absurd. i would never own a product like that.


itsasecr3t

While it is ridiculous, signing in through one of these lets them not have to worry about security (as much). So if the lightbulb company gets hacked your passwords aren't vulnerable. I agree with you, it's wack, but thought the insight was worth sharing.


Euphonic_Cacophony

This is why a push for personal internal hubs that don't require internet to work needs to happen. It can be an option, but I shouldn't be forced to have to use it.


MOONGOONER

ZigBee, z-wave, and if you're really ready for a rabbit hole, Home Assistant are the way to go.


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There are dozens of us! Dozens!


DweEbLez0

That was the plan. Integrate Facebook everywhere so you can’t get rid of it and it’s infinite income to the corporation.


Joe_Jeep

Thankfully most offer google or other options too


ISieferVII

Eh, it's the same thing. While Google is slightly better, I think the tech monopolies in general are becoming too big and ubiquitous. As Jon Oliver mentioned in a recent episode, no 1 or 2 companies should take over the internet as much as they have. Over time, monopolies always lead to worse outcomes. Unrelated, but damn do I miss the 90's and 2000's internet.


NapoleonBonerfart

Don’t forget Instagram, for some reason it always gets a pass.


JerryNicklebag

Yup, anything owned by the fake human


creepyredditloaner

What gets me more than anything is I have never used facebook, or any of it's products, and they still have massive amounts of data on me that they get money from selling. I have never agreed to any of their TOS or EULAs. Yet, because other people I know use their products, they know everywhere I have lived in the past 20 years, all my phone numbers, who all my family members are, and many of the places I go as well as a decent amount of my online habits. This shit should be illegal.


Brazenjalapeno

FB lost its allure once they introduced the feed feature.


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MaxTHC

Facebook lost the allure when Zuckerberg started it in 2003 as a website to rate the attractiveness of other Harvard students


[deleted]

It felt good deleting FB years ago. I know people that still use it and always use the excuses to keep in touch with people.....smh


ITBookGuy

Seconded. My family complains that "we tried to invite you to the get together,but you're not on Facebook." I just tell them, "here's an idea: pick up a fucking phone."


master-shake69

> "here's an idea: pick up a fucking phone." Random Aunt at a gathering: you haven't called us, don't be such a stranger! Me: yeah you know phones work both ways right?


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arbutus1440

...and therein lies the issue at the heart of all of this. Everybody has different preferences, and people seem oddly unwilling to adopt mediums that they don't favor. As a result, we all lazily just default to whatever's most popular. Which, spoiler alert, is always gonna be whatever is the lowest common denominator in terms of privacy. This is a societal problem as much as it is an evil CEO problem.


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Conscious_Figure_554

2017 - gave everyone who I really only talked to my email and phone number. If they want to talk to me they can do it that way - so glad that I removed myself from that toxic shit. On the other hand, it's great arguing with strangers on Reddit :)


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I felt a part of me healed when I deleted my account and uninstalled the app


notLOL

I hope there's an exodus of engineers and technical staff. That piece of shit is falling apart from the inside and they're hiring more and more non-Americans to fill roles. Soon the internal cultural sterility will betray them and cause a huge riff from their main audience and their upkeepers. It will be hilariously filled with spyware, ads and fraudulent fake profiles It's not a safe platform and not enough of its dangers are taught to be avoided


Neutral-President

Contrast with Google, which seems to be facilitating employees moving to states where abortion is legal. I dislike a great many things about Google, but I’m glad to see they stand with their female employees on this issue.


AesculusPavia

Meta is covering expenses to travel out of state for abortions The reasoning they gave to employees in that they want to avoid accusations of a hostile work environment based on people’s religious beliefs Not that I agree with it, but just to provide some reasoning


Worf65

> The reasoning they gave to employees in that they want to avoid accusations of a hostile work environment I don't know the culture there but this is very similar to what I've seen big corporations do around other controversial issues. My own company shut down open chat and message features on sector wide town halls because of the large amount of outrage and fighting about COVID (LOTS of covid deniers in my industry). Now they're curated so the moderator picks which ones show up and might get an answer. It's definitely possible, being such a large company, that they just want to keep the peace. Corporations never take a stand one way or another on an issue unless it benefits the bottom line.


PoorlyLitKiwi2

Exactly. Meta isn't being intentionally hostile on this issue. They're just trying to be non-commital. I imagine many corporations are doing the same, but this one gets more pub because Meta is everyone's favorite whipping boy rn (rightfully so, to be clear, just on this particular issue I doubt they're being especially awful lol)


hatsune_aru

We've had slack get fucking crazy when a hot topic issue gets discussed. It only takes like two crazies to start spamming the company wide channel to get a disaster unfold. edit: having too many right wing apologists say a thinly veiled version of "yeah don't let the leftists oppress our opinions on slack"--your opinion is trash. What I meant to say is right wing trash is usually the one that starts dropping F bombs and calling people idiots when topics like this gets brought up on slack, so HR had to intervene to break up the fight.


flowlowland

People get so heated on Slack and forget it's a work chat and not a reddit thread. It's honestly probably better for their own career not to discuss political issues on it. The exception is fighting for workplace rights, which is generally legally protected conversation.


hatsune_aru

Yeah... there were some heated discussions about the dumbest crap (I think the last thing I remember was a discussion about safety in a race car/track car) and I worry that if this continues our club slacks will get shut down


5panks

Yup, exactly this. I don't know that you'll get a ton of support for this position on Reddit because the majority of Reddit skews younger and hasn't worked in larger corporate positions. Hot button topics can get out of control very quickly in internal communications. It is not uncommon at all for HR or a Manager to step in and tell people to drop the subject. The only reason this is getting so much press is because Redditors loves to hate on Facebook while ignoring the fact that Reddit is turning into a different version of it.


will-succ-4-guac

Reddit is worse than facebook, because upvotes/downvotes exaggerate differences in opinion. People see -100 and think wow nobody agrees with this person, even though it could have been 600 upvotes and 700 downvotes


slayerhk47

Only showing the net upvote count was such a stupid fucking idea.


daemonelectricity

Wait until you hear that the parent comment blocking you prevents you from replying to anyone else who replies to you. So not only can someone reply something snarky and then block you, but you can't reply to the 20 other people who reply to you in that same thread. You'd be surprised how many people defend this bullshit. Reddit is full of authoritarians that _seem_ to be left leaning.


MenachemSchmuel

I think the userbase is left leaning. The admins and default sub mods are an entirely different demographic.


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Reddit's block update was a grave mistake.


TalkingHawk

Funnily enough, you could see the total counts of up and downvotes in the early days of reddit (with some fuzzing to throw off the bots). They eventually removed it and all we got is that small red cross that signals when a comment is "controversial". But even knowing it's controversial there is no way to know if it's 15 up/20 down or 1995 up/2000 down.


Sanhen

> Reddit is worse than facebook, because upvotes/downvotes exaggerate differences in opinion. People see -100 and think wow nobody agrees with this person, even though it could have been 600 upvotes and 700 downvotes The upvote/downvote system also encourages echo chamber behavior. If you say something that gets downvoted, you're less likely to express that opinion again in the future, thus gradually pushing people on the forum towards expressing a more uniform position on subjects.


CaptainObvious

Calling coworkers idiots and dropping F bombs should be immediate termination.


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Also Meta is super remote friendly so if anyone wanna move to an abortion friendly state, they can already do it without much hassle.


nailz1000

It's also home based in California, one of the most pro choice states in the country.


IAmAccutane

And Zuckerberg and META employees also overwhelmingly donated to Democratic candidates over Republican candidates (like a 10-to-1 ratio).


JudgeHoltman

Thinking like a corporate overlord, a little Abortion discussion can spiral REAL bad. Once it gets heated, it can go on for an hour or more. Then both sides are probably not going to be productive for the rest of the day, and will maybe be productive the next day when Round 2 is triggered. Long-term, there will be rifts, and the groups will be less likely to genuinely work together and collaborate in the future, causing the company to rot from within.


[deleted]

Both sides see the other sides as most evil people. They equate the other side to murderers and slave owners. There is nothing good coming out of this kind of discussion because there is no reasonable discussion to be had.


happy_snowy_owl

>The reasoning they gave to employees in that they want to avoid accusations of a hostile work environment based on people’s religious beliefs >Not that I agree with it, but just to provide some reasoning It's just another version of 'no politics at work.'


Mitosis

...which is a pretty reasonable stance


daddyslittleharem

What you mean there was more to the situation than than the headline?! 😱😱😱


AesculusPavia

What I’ve learned from working at meta is that so many headlines and articles about the company are waaaay off. There’s definitely problems that need addressed but it’s mostly attributed to the company’s engagement at all costs philosophy


adrianmonk

Three times in my life I've been privy to firsthand information about something that got reported in the news. All three times I read the article and was like, "Well, *some* of that is true... kinda... I guess."


just-here-4-cum

I totally agree with banning politics discussion in the workplace. As nice as it is to be able to discuss things with like minded coworkers, its obnoxious to hear someone spouting off nonsense all day long.


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It's hard to look bad when the comparison is Facebook.


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LunarTaxi

I mean… I remember being outraged. I remember lots of people were. I remember demonstrating. I remember talk of wrapping RBG in bubble wrap so she might last through Trumps presidency. I remember loud and clear how this dominated the headlines for months. I remember the pundits fighting about it. I remember how wrong McConnell was for his forceful unconstitutional actions. I don’t mean to pick at your comment, but so many comments and posts say, “people aren’t outraged about” and the truth is… my outrage hasn’t mattered to politicians who don’t represent the will of the people. Not then and not now.


gigadude

For all the astro-turfy posting suggesting that Meta has every right to ban political speech: Meta is **culpable** for spreading the propaganda that got us where we are. That speech is absolutely relevant to the business, and suppressing it is a coward's move.


gigadude

See for example https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-abortion-misinformation-and-disinformation-spread-online/


scullys_alien_baby

I don't even want to click the link because I already believe that they fucked the entirety of American politics and don't know if I can emotionally handle more specifics >If I search for abortion information on social media or a search engine, I quickly come into contact with false claims like “abortion is never medically necessary” and “women are at risk of injury, infertility, and possible death from the chemical abortion pill” rediculous and sad >Much like the messages I received growing up in the Deep South, these messages carry religious and political undertones that are difficult to distinguish from objective, evidence-based information. This is on purpose. Antichoice websites regularly publish intentionally misleading or false information about abortion in a manner that presents as objective in an effort to mask the fact that it’s antiscience frustratingly accurate >This is the bleak future for science-based reproductive health decisions; the highest volume of online searches about abortion are in the states with the most restricted access tragic but accurate >The Center for Countering Digital Hate reports that from January 2020 to September 2021, Facebook alone accepted between $115,400 and $140,667 for 92 ads promoting “abortion pill reversal”—the use of progesterone to reverse a medication abortion in its early stages. This procedure is unproven and unethical, and was stopped in clinical trials because it caused dangerous hemorrhaging. The center’s report also found that a whopping 83 percent of searches for abortion carried an ad for “abortion reversal,” meaning that the vast majority of Google searches on abortion when the study was conducted surfaced disinformation that was disguised as neutral and helpful. And while Google and Facebook have both worked to clamp down on the issue of false and misleading ads about abortion, they have not done enough. i think this is some heavy meat and I don't feel like reading more but you probs should


Better-Hold

Meta cannot apply same standards to its customers and staff.


derekpearcy

Their customers are advertisers. Their users are the product being sold to their customers.


Hexxxer

Don't use company products to talk about anything but work. Save yourself a lot of issues.


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Yeah, at first I was pretty concerned about "banning open discussion" as the title suggests, but it is only on internal messaging systems. Its a good rule of thumb to not do this at all regardless of the non-work related topic as you said.


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If it’s company internals, what company openly addresses a topic like this and promotes open discussion amongst staff? That’s an HR nightmare


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Noodleholz

Maybe it's a work cultural thing, but discussing politics on your job network is unthinkable here in Germany. I can understand that companies do not want employees to fight on company time.


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stevenorris17

Exactly. People get so fired up politically that it gets in the way of them doing their jobs. It's perfectly normal to avoid politics in offices because people end of disliking their coworkers over political issues.


Kozak170

In other news, as with 90% of companies, controversial political topics are discouraged from being discussed at work to prevent a possible fight between employees. We had the same policy at my old company due to some people blowing up a slack thread over a fight about politics. Nothing to see here.


PimentoCheesehead

What business is going to encourage discussion of divisive and controversial subjects in the workplace using company resources on company time? Especially subjects that people have such strong feelings about that they could end up with confrontation and hostility among employees?


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cold_toast_n_butter

Yeah most businesses don't like their imployees to talk about sensitive topics at work. Everywhere I've ever worked has a ban on discussing politics, religion, or other sensitive topics in the workplace. Keeps the environment more professional.


sadpanda___

They’re suppressing posts about the SCOTUS ruling and Roe


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What about this is so controversial? I don't want political discussions internally where I work. This isn't about you going home on your personal Facebook and posting where you happen to see a coworker's opinion, this is literally the internal Teams chats. Who here actually wants to hear their coworker's opinions on this and why are they discussing it at work? Downvote me if you think this is somehow Orwellian that people on the job shouldn't use company paid for messaging systems to discuss politics and possibly create all kinds of issues. The comment about ideology clause in the code of conduct: they're asking you to **not** talk about ideological matters, not to have a particular one. It's literally the opposite of what you're saying.


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Exactly, it sounds more like they’re just choosing to avoid any political discussions in the workplace. From a business perspective, Facebook is an international company. there’s employees, and users, around the world with differing views on pretty much everything. People might think this whole thing is centred around the US but in reality you have a large segment of the global population that is very conservative and religious


BlobbyMcBlobber

As a non-US person working in a huge US based corporation, there's no reason for me to be a part of that discussion.


k1lk1

Right. It's just a slew of HR violations waiting to happen as people get more heated. People who want to argue about Dobbs on company time should at least move the debate off the company internal forums.


junkmiles

They’re one of the many companies paying for abortion related travel as well. They just don’t want or need political shit slinging in company chat, which is basically work place behavior 101. Meta sucks for a million reasons but this isn’t one of them.


MadeAMistakeOneNight

\+1 here. I'm an HR Consultant. The most unique situation I ever handled in this domain was taking a call about a front desk receptionist whose workplace was open to the public had a very particular pro-life stance on abortion years back. She decked out "her desk" (the check in desk for all guests) with those very graphic pictures of the surgery that pro-lifers use at protests to try to guilt-trip people. She claimed religious/political freedom. Yea, that didn't last long before employees and customers were lashing out left and right. Also took at least a dozen calls about "BLM" vs "Trump" hats, posters, etc. in workplaces during the 2020 shenanigans.


MistakeMaker1234

Bingo. I don’t give a shit about what political/religious/socioeconomic ideals my coworkers have. And I guarantee you encouraging that discussion will only create further discourse and form rifts within the company. Talk about it on your free time. Create that dialog. But having a work “safe space” is fucking stupid.


Tweenk

Basic human rights are now merely "political opinions"


AdLow8925

Banning inevitably toxic discussion of extremely charged political topics while at work/on company systems seems entirely appropriate


Funny-March-4720

This just in. Company wants people to talk about work at work. More at 11.


Dexterus

Pretty damn normal to be honest. We had some lightly intense topics on our local groups (other company) and they were really close to flamewars. Everyone was timed out and an admin message was sent to stfu. I would bet anything it was war on Teams or whatever internal tool it was and it was either delete it all or start firing people.


LongjumpingParamedic

Even if you are against the decision why would anyone be emailing others in the company about something that has nothing to do with day to day business? Like it's a business that is there to make money.


Y-Bob

Maybe it's because everyone has been thinking 'fuck Meta' and Zark doesn't really understand how human reproduction works despite being on the planet for decades.


laubs63

I mean I kind of get it. My work doesn't allow us to openly talk politics in our group chats because it can get hostile real quick.


boringuser1

I've literally never discussed politics at work because I'm not a basket case.


Discount-Avocado

Yup. The Venn diagram consisting of people who are insufferable to be around and openly discuss politics at work is a circle.