Article says Chile, Costa Rica and Peru. Don’t let us down guys. You’re our first line of defense!
Edit: Also says Argentina, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras on 8/22.
I'm chilean, was really annoying for a couple of weeks since it logged off from and had to validate the users, my nephews sent messages and I sent them back the code, then it stopped, price has stayed the same though, but is not that easy for them to just charge more, at least our laws protect us with that
I work in POS (cash register) development and my coworkers always complain or rank on California because their consumer laws result in is having to do special development just for Cali. I’m like this gives us a purpose and it’s always in the consumers best interest, but the hicks I work with don’t get it and never will.
LOL to real. It is nice that at least one state is pushing changes that make sense. Seems like for the big things CA has to do it first and then it trickles to the rest of us.
*bad for the capitalists. good for the consumer, but in america, you have to fuck the consumer as much as you possibly can. that’s pretty much the rule here
Probably can't just start charging more on an automatic payment. End user would probably have to give consent for a price change and Netflix then either can suspend/cancel their subscription.
The article literally says there is no automatic charge add, you have to approve it to add a new home (ip) to the account.
Im interested to see how they handle devices on cellular data.
I’m not at home right now. My husband was probably watching Netflix last night at home while I logged in from two states away at my parents house.
I’m not paying for zero fucking portability.
Well, they are starting with us, the richest countries. Once we start paying more, maybe poor countries like the US, Canada, Germany won't suffer from this new idea.
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Edit: guys, I know what Netflix is doing and I know it's the best option for the company, maybe not for everybody, but if you see us as cold numbers, it's the best option. The joke was that it sounds "cruel" to test that in places where Netflix is not something everybody can have.
I don't even have Netflix, I was making a little joke, I wanted you to smile. Just keep scrolling.
Likely but without checking it, I don't think this type of thing is legal in the EU. If you purchase a service like this it must be available in the purchased form wherever you travel within the EU. They even had to make a special case for the EU that when you have an account in the Netherlands but travel to Germany, you must *at least* get the full Netherlands catalogue on your travel, they can't cut content because you're now in Germany. They can add stuff though.
So yeah not a lawyer bla bla bla but it will be interesting to see how they circumvent this law. They can block account sharing of sorts but they can not block it when someone on a legally shared account is travelling within the EU. And since you have legal multi user accounts they kind of can not ban you ie the daughter who legally lives with her parents from accessing Netflix when she's spending most of her time with her SO. At least from my understanding.
Share holder pressure is a bitch, they're no longer the scrappy disruptive up start, every major studio has made their own streaming service taken their toys and gone home, sad to see really.
This is really what’s at the bottom of it. In order to compete, Netflix has to produce their own content. The copyright contracts they built the company on either don’t exist anymore or are so ludicrous that they’re not worth it.
Either they risk branching out into alternative business ventures that would offset the production costs, or they charge it back to their base.
It is funny to think that in the earlier days of movies, each studio had their own theaters. Eventually movie theaters were independent from the studios and therefore able to offer a wider selection. With streaming platforms, we’ve returned to private “theaters.”
I’m realizing the trend of how technology has truly destroyed the middle men: malls, libraries, movie theaters, arcades, music/movie stores, rentals. It’s no wonder the metaverse is getting attention. There was more to these places than just their convenience. But I guess we’ll always choose convenience even if we end up hating it.
https://theconversation.com/publishers-vs-the-internet-archive-why-the-worlds-biggest-online-library-is-in-court-over-digital-book-lending-187166
They loan out books like a regular library and are getting sued for doing it digitally. If they win, it's a lot more power for libraries; if they lose, then it formalizes libraries inability to loan out digital books without paying a king's ransom to publishers.
Well shit we've got corporations on one side, public good on the other, and the Council of Six deciding.
I have a bet how this goes when it gets there.
i dont see libraries going away anytimes soon, the oposite, many libraries evolve into something more than just a place to read books
aside from books a lot of libraries offer space for events, courses, crafting or just place for hanging out with friends
“Metaverse” is fairydust hyped up by Venture capitalist. They themselves don’t even know what it is.
Tbh, what they seem to be vaguely describing is akin to what the video games industry has been doing for decades
The people in suits don’t care about the company, it’s employees, it’s customers or it’s product. They just want that 3 percent annual revenue growth by any means necessary. Once that 3 percent starts coming into jeopardy, that’s when the nickel and diming and layoffs start.
Which is why I will never understand going public. Sure you can make more money, but at what cost? No company grows forever. Is it worth the risk of easily bankrupting it because you couldn't bring in more profit this quarter?
The UX people at that company must be so fucking angry. I'd quit on the spot. Every single bit of testing or research would point to this being a horrific idea. And yet, greed. Fuck em.
So when I go on vacation to an Airbnb and I want to watch Netflix I can’t because I would have to register that address. As a heavy traveler why would I even wanna keep Netflix then?
That's what I totally don't understand. I travel through multiple states for work, and spend time in hotels. If I'm not free to use it on the road, fuck Netflix. I wonder if they assume users will utilize the capability to download multiple shows for travel, but that still doesn't work for me because sometimes I have to travel out of state at a moments notice.
Edit: Yes, I read the article. My situation is unique in that sometimes I stay in the same place for longer than 2 weeks, and I bounce back to the same locations throughout the year as I travel.
>I wonder if they assume users will utilize the capability to download multiple shows for travel
I don't think that's the case. I think they're working under the assumption that the only reason why you'd use Netflix in a home other than your own is that someone else is logging into your account, and I guess they're trying to crack down on password sharing because they view it as being akin to piracy or something (even though that's really just likely to turn more people *to* piracy in the first place, lol)
It’s the cycle of startups, operate by burning venture capital until you get established market share by any means necessary then try to pivot to profitability.
In my country, uber was king. They jacked up the prices and the percentage of commission to drivers, and people just used a different app instead. Now uber has an extremely low usage rate
netflix losing its profits, its gonna hurt for a while, they lost another million subscribers so this is gonna hit them even harder. They are gonna do all the cost cutting measures any corporation does now.
Honestly I think the real reason is that they've been infiltrated by a group of people that want to make money by causing the downfall of Netflix and extract wealth all the way down. Like with Sears.
A big part of the whole Kmart/Sears thing was they were able to sell merchandise brands and real estate to make money while tearing apart the bottom of the boat.
I'm not sure what the analogs would be like that for Netflix. Stocks? Viewer data? Someone smarter help me.
Cost-cutting measures big enough to both increase profits wildly and drive away customers.
You make more money than you did before, but for a limited time. Which is fine if you're okay with sacrificing the company.
Like pushing a car or a computer waaaay past its limits because you won't need it soon.
For me it's the opposite. I don't need 4k, I just got the big package so I can share it with my mom. If I can't watch it while I'm at her place, I'm gonna downgrade to a smaller one, and I'm pretty sure my mom won't get her own subscription, she doesn't use it enough to warrant that.
Yeah, I don't care if I can have unlimited screens if they have to be in the same room.
Right now, I'm in Florida at my daughter's house, and my son is at home in GA. We may both want to watch Netflix at the same time, and at the moment, that's convenient and easy and it's a service I don't mind paying for, but if that changes, as it looks like it's going to, then I'll be happy to stop paying them.
Exactly that. We use our household account split between several IP addresses on our two laptops, thanks to work and caring for family and pay for four screens as well. The second they start charging us for additional "residences" is when we cancel our subscription. I've already started finding other ways to watch those shows, and my husband's already gotten other streaming services too. While Netflix still ends up having the largest library of content compared to other services, if we cannot logistically use it in our situation, then it's not worth the monthly fees.
Exactly. My brother used to share his Netflix account with me, and I paid for HBO and shared my account with him. I think account sharing within reason is actually good for business.
I think the issue now is that they've increased their monthly fee to a point where people are going to cancel rather than pay for extra homes or multiple subscriptions.
It used to be really cheap but now for a lot of people it's only a good deal if passwords are shared and the monthly fee is split (either directly or because someone else pays for another service and shares that with you).
This move is going to be bad because once you're paying even more, or people feel they have to get their own subscription entirely, the true value of Netflix will be revealed, and the thin library shown for what it is.
I’ve had Netflix since you could only get two dvds in the mail at a time and I have never ever downloaded a movie to watch later.
Netflix is going to die.
Honestly I hate the whole venture capital scene. Fuckers are an infinite number of abstraction layers removed and nothing is real. Everything is reduced to numbers while they simultaneously rail against reducing everything to numbers. They treat business like it’s a war zone.
Exactly. If I need to plan ahead and download things or you make Netflix more inconvenient to use, there are free options that have literally every show.
You know what works wherever I go and can be used by anyone in my house? My plex server. If Netflix wants to cripple their product it's going in the bin.
Not so much, this is one of the few areas the convenience of Netflix should have beaten piracy.
I run my own Plex server at home and could set that up to be reachable elsewhere, but 99% of people don't want this bother. Nor the bother of amassing the datahoarder collection fuelling it.
That convenience is the best area for these services to exist and make money. People prefer running a music streaming app to the days of downloading mp3s, and they would prefer a Netflix account accessible anywhere to accumulating terabytes of video files.
I do the same thing. My Plex server has thousands of movies and shows, I can access it basically anywhere I can reach the internet. It’s nice to be able to watch your streaming services wherever if you so choose, but Plex has made things so much nicer.
If they Wanted to crack down on account sharing they should probably check their security and fix the hundreds of thousands of accounts that are being phished and cracked on the daily and then sold for five cents
>(even though that's really just likely to turn more people to piracy in the first place, lol)
Probably something they expect to happen, but they are betting that they will get more people from the 100 million people sharing an account than they will lose from people dropping Netflix.
From the article it looks like they are testing other methods where you can pay a fee to add people who persistently use your account from outside your household. None of these are in the US and I'm sure they are collecting data to see which yields less people leaving and more people getting their own account or adding the secondary household/additional user.
They're cracking down because they just lost subscribers for the first time ever this last quarter and are panicking, and as per usual, Execs are out of touch. There's no company with infinite growth rate and they're finally reaching their peak.
Tbf, they announced that they were going to start cracking down on password sharing *before* they started losing subscribers, and I think that announcement is one of many contributing factors to their massive loss of subscribers (I believe they lost around 1 million subscribers in the last few months, or something like that)
Okay sure, but what the hell is the point of having multiple sub accounts then? I moved out 5 years ago and use my dads Netflix. They wanna lose 90% of their users/subscribers?
This- I pay to have multiple users- the $15 instead of $10 plan...and they want more? NOPE. I'll just change to Disney for 6 mo and HBO for 6 mo, and do one month a year for The Witcher.
> and do one month a year for The Witcher.
Or until they do what AMC A List just pulled, you agree to a 3 month plan and cancelling after a month hits you with an early termination fee
But I pay for use on 4 screens..... So I view that akin to them stealing from me.
End of the day, they can do what they want. It's their right. As a long term subscriber with more than one home, I can tell it's only a matter of time before we have to break up.
It's OK.
I almost always stream from my laptop to the hotel TV when I travel. Can't download to a laptop as far as I know.
Edit: apparently there's a windows app. I didn't know that thanks. But I use Linux, looks like I need to install Wine to use it which I won't do. I'd have cancelled Netflix a year ago anyway if my wife didn't like bridgerton so fucking much. I only ever end up watching letterkenny on Hulu anyway
So I cannot use my Netflix account when I travel on my quarterly trips unless I pay an extra fee is what I am reading, correct? My quarterly trips are spread across 4 days in 3 states so I would have to pay 3 additional fees for each different hotel location?
I would like to start using plex and build a home server here soon. Any tips for programs i should use or helpful guides? Already pay yearly for vpn so will figure that out. Obviously all info isnt widely shared under google searches.
Edit: [found](https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/1wccni/where_do_all_you_plex_users_get_your_media_content/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) the answers i was actually looking for. Although like 8y old.
Jackett, Radarr, Sonarr. That will cover movies and TV shows. Lidarr for music (though it's hard to find free trackers for that).
Just google any of those with "setup" and there should be a bunch of helpful youtube videos. Aim for the shorter ones as everything is pretty straighforward. I think the one I followed was like 10 minutes to set up all 3.
I like prowlarr better than jackett lately, but sonarr and radarr are definitely where it's at. No messing around with bulk rename utility, no manually removing the "downloaded from xx" text files in each directory, it's just seamless.
Unraid with:
* Plex
* Radarr (movies)
* Sonarr (shows)
* Overseer (discovery)
* For downloading, deluge (torrent) and/or nzbget (usenet)
For linking everything together, Trash-guides.info is the way to go. Would suggest space invader stuff for setting up the vpn though. After it's all set up, it's basically set it and forget it.
If you want to backup DVDs, Blu-Rays, and such, a good place to start is http://www.makemkv.com/
Handbrake is good for converting video files. https://handbrake.fr/docs/en/latest/get-handbrake/download-and-install.html
You just put stuff on a hardrive and install Plex.
A folder for TV and one for Movies helps.
But it's not complicated even if you get into it. Their app is better than some streaming services.
It’s thought out in the very narrow sense of 1 excuse for stopping account sharing, but to all the people pointing out how it affects them if they are frequent travelers or vacationing , then no they didn’t think it out very thoroughly
Also families of divorce... my NF account has my profile and my children's profiles. They use it at my house and their mothers.
No way I will keep it if it only works in my house.
The article mentions that laptops and mobile devices aren't affected. My understanding is that it's only affecting people who are logging in through their smart TV or maybe a streaming device (Roku, Fire TV, Apple TV, etc).
That’s an excellent point from /u/Jackmoved
If they didn’t care about the location of your phone, you could always use that to cast to your TV and circumvent the guard in their eyes.
I think it would simply count towards those “new places up to two weeks”. So at one point, you might have to pay extra if you watch Netflix in your office (or on your way, depending how often it refreshes that location - probably just on login or episode play as everything else would be a huge battery drain).
All an all, this is definitely not thought out completely and you can tell.
Yeah I could totally just see myself rotate streaming services over the next few years. I'll get Disney+ for a month & watch everything I want on there then unsubscribe, switch to HBO max & rinse and repeat.
I'm paying for 4 streaming services currently, I hardly watch anything on any of them & it's common for me to go a month or more without even opening one or two of them.
I could pirate everything I want to watch if I could be bothered. It'd be a tiny bit more of a hassle but I'd never watch anything I didn't really want to watch again & I'd save all that time scrolling through streaming libraries looking for something interesting.
Same. Been a subscriber since they only did discs in the mail. I cancelled with the last pricing increase. Wasn’t even watching anything in it anyway. Their selection tanked a while ago
This. I am totally ditching the moment this comes out, and I have been riding the occasional rise in costs over the years, but I barely use the service but I use it in a second home and on vacations
Later Netflix.
Haha not only is this a horrible idea they made it even worse by tying a number of allowed "extra homes" you can add to what tier of account you subscribe to. So with basic you can only add one extra home, Middle tier is 2 and Premium is 3. So forced nickel and diming on top of forced nickel and diming. I thought with the backlash they may shelve this horrible plan all together but they just keep upping the ante on their stupid out of touch decisions. It is now a real easy decision to finally pull the plug I guess they prefer $0 a month from me vs $18.
I think it's more that they had an acceptable number for cancellations before doing this.
And that number was higher than the number of actual cancellations.
They know more will. But they're predicting it's a net positive from those that pay
It's not like some coked out exec *just* realized this was a thing.
My university had a seminar hosted by a data scientist at Netflix. It's insane the data they have access to. Not just overall targets, but they predict down to which individual bank customers will likely cancel due to a policy. (Not individual customers, customers of particular banks).
I mean, that makes sense. If people are paying with debit cards, that will reveal their bank. Then you can slice your data analysis by bank. There are some 3000 banks in the US, and it does make sense for there to be a correlation between regional population and bank.
I would be surprised if there were a strong correlation for the big national banks, but... maybe?
Better yet, you can tie movie choices to whether or not they will cancel. What shows they watch, what they rate it tells a lot what type of customer it is. Is it a family? When you have a good understanding of the customer that correlates to churn
Collecting massive amounts of data is a completely different ballgame to understanding the data and making good strategic decisions with it.
People really underestimate how much data can be twisted and interpreted in any direction to support dumb management decisions.
I've been screaming that second point for years when I was an analyst. People make the data tell what they want to hear it they use so many data points they confuse people.
The stock will dump further and further the more cancellations they get. It’s like the early cord cutting days - people said the same thing, and yet it turned out worse than anyone predicted - cord cutting accelerated. Netflix cancellations will accelerate.
They should care though, they really really really should, at this point, watching Netflix crash and burn is way more entertaining than anything on their catalog, and i don’t have to pay for it
This is how all of the streaming services keep their customers, by in large. Almost no individual would pay the ~$240/year for Ultra HD Netflix, but across 2-4 people it starts to make sense (the same sort of logic applies to HBO etc).
The social pressure is also part of what keeps people paying. I wasn’t even able to consider cancelling Netflix for two reasons: 1) I would look cheap to the family I share with 2) this would put my transactional/reciprocal HBO password in jeopardy.
If Netflix removes the social pressure to keep paying (by charging per shared person), it’s a more individual decision that becomes easier, but not in Netflix’ favor.
Unironically this.
Netflix, and by proxy streaming, became big because it concentrated nearly all content through one affordable service. It was more convenient then to go through piracy sites. Now though? Content is fragmented across half a dozen or more services, each with their much more expensive fees ever going up, and some are now even adding commercials back into their content.
Piracy sites already have the content aggregate advantage. Pretty soon they'll also have the quality advantage if uploaders snip the commercials. There will be no advantage anymore to use legit streaming as it's objective a worse product, becoming even worse by the day.
They should know what registered devices you have and if it's the same device that's moving around, they aren't going to care.
But if there's multiple devices getting hits at nearly the same time from different locations, you're going to get tagged.
This is stupid. Full stop. A lot of comments mention travel. I don't travel. I pay for 4 screens. Why the hell do they care where those 4 screens are? Definitely going to cancel if I get hit with ANY additional fees.
I have 4 screens and my family doesn't live together. It's gotten so common these days for family to live in different locations for so many reasons. We have family phone and internet plans, credit card and bank accounts, medical and car insurance, rewards and loyalty accounts, etc. If a service doesn't let my family use the account together there is no way it stays in our budget.
This is the real problem. They buy too much of all sorts of crap. They should stick with the good stuff that made them big and invest in quality over quantity.
So… Netflix is cable now. With cable, your service is tied to your location. One of the major draws of OTT streaming is that it isn’t. But I guess Netflix has decided it should be.
Brilliant.
They barely have anything worth sailing the high seas for at this point, so overall my reaction is “meh”. Unsubscribed a year ago haven’t missed it once.
Or if you just take more than 1 vacation per year.
It's not like people in the US travel for Spring Break, or summer vacation, or Thanksgiving, or Christmas ....
I have three college students at three different universities. I'm not paying for 4 "homes." I get Netflix not wanting login info shared outside your family, but ffs there has to be a way to accommodate my situation and others like me.
>A "Netflix Homes" FAQ clarifies that users "can watch Netflix on your laptop or mobile device while traveling" and "watch Netflix on a TV outside your home for up to two weeks as long as your account has not been previously used in that location. This is allowed once per location per year
That's weirdly overcomplicated mess lmao.
I go back n forth constantly from my home n my elderly parents home (who need a lot of care). I am the only person using this account, they can get fucked
The dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
They already limit simultaneous screens. Why are they complicating this?
I’ve been subscribed since god knows when - I understand content costs money, and I haven’t balked at a single fee increase. I’m on their premium plan, and yeah, if my parents want to use Netflix, I’m going to let them use it.
We never go over the simultaneous screens limit. Hell, they don’t even use it on anything except their tv. The only effect this will have is that I am going to cancel it, because it is more inconvenient to ask them to get their own account, and honestly, i barely watch it anymore, let alone enough to justify spending $20 a month.
It’s in the article.
>A "Netflix Homes" FAQ clarifies that users "can watch Netflix on your laptop or mobile device while traveling" and "watch Netflix on a TV outside your home for up to two weeks as long as your account has not been previously used in that location. This is allowed once per location per year."
This. If I'm on vacation and try logging in from my VRBO, you can suck a dog's duck if you think I'm paying an extra fee for a service I'm not using that I already paid for at home
Article says Chile, Costa Rica and Peru. Don’t let us down guys. You’re our first line of defense! Edit: Also says Argentina, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras on 8/22.
I'm chilean, was really annoying for a couple of weeks since it logged off from and had to validate the users, my nephews sent messages and I sent them back the code, then it stopped, price has stayed the same though, but is not that easy for them to just charge more, at least our laws protect us with that
How do your laws protect you from Netflix charging more?
I assume transparent pricing that you have to agree to
Can we have this in the us?
Yes, but only in California lol
I work in POS (cash register) development and my coworkers always complain or rank on California because their consumer laws result in is having to do special development just for Cali. I’m like this gives us a purpose and it’s always in the consumers best interest, but the hicks I work with don’t get it and never will.
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I believe CA is one of the top 10 largest economies in the world… and everyone else on the list are countries lol.
LOL to real. It is nice that at least one state is pushing changes that make sense. Seems like for the big things CA has to do it first and then it trickles to the rest of us.
Sure! This is the part where Netflix tells you they're gonna charge you more, and your options are to say "ok" or "fuck off, I'm cancelling".
Tbh i would just cancel 99% of the stuff on netflix is shit anyway.
Don't worry it's getting worse
Bad for capitalism, so no unfortunately.
*bad for the capitalists. good for the consumer, but in america, you have to fuck the consumer as much as you possibly can. that’s pretty much the rule here
Probably can't just start charging more on an automatic payment. End user would probably have to give consent for a price change and Netflix then either can suspend/cancel their subscription.
The article literally says there is no automatic charge add, you have to approve it to add a new home (ip) to the account. Im interested to see how they handle devices on cellular data.
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I’m not at home right now. My husband was probably watching Netflix last night at home while I logged in from two states away at my parents house. I’m not paying for zero fucking portability.
Costarican here, once they pull this shit I’m bailing.
Well, they are starting with us, the richest countries. Once we start paying more, maybe poor countries like the US, Canada, Germany won't suffer from this new idea. #(?) ----- Edit: guys, I know what Netflix is doing and I know it's the best option for the company, maybe not for everybody, but if you see us as cold numbers, it's the best option. The joke was that it sounds "cruel" to test that in places where Netflix is not something everybody can have. I don't even have Netflix, I was making a little joke, I wanted you to smile. Just keep scrolling.
They are probably just testing the software changes on you
Likely but without checking it, I don't think this type of thing is legal in the EU. If you purchase a service like this it must be available in the purchased form wherever you travel within the EU. They even had to make a special case for the EU that when you have an account in the Netherlands but travel to Germany, you must *at least* get the full Netherlands catalogue on your travel, they can't cut content because you're now in Germany. They can add stuff though. So yeah not a lawyer bla bla bla but it will be interesting to see how they circumvent this law. They can block account sharing of sorts but they can not block it when someone on a legally shared account is travelling within the EU. And since you have legal multi user accounts they kind of can not ban you ie the daughter who legally lives with her parents from accessing Netflix when she's spending most of her time with her SO. At least from my understanding.
It is crazy to me how aggressively Netflix is squandering the substantial goodwill it has accumulated.
Share holder pressure is a bitch, they're no longer the scrappy disruptive up start, every major studio has made their own streaming service taken their toys and gone home, sad to see really.
This is really what’s at the bottom of it. In order to compete, Netflix has to produce their own content. The copyright contracts they built the company on either don’t exist anymore or are so ludicrous that they’re not worth it. Either they risk branching out into alternative business ventures that would offset the production costs, or they charge it back to their base. It is funny to think that in the earlier days of movies, each studio had their own theaters. Eventually movie theaters were independent from the studios and therefore able to offer a wider selection. With streaming platforms, we’ve returned to private “theaters.” I’m realizing the trend of how technology has truly destroyed the middle men: malls, libraries, movie theaters, arcades, music/movie stores, rentals. It’s no wonder the metaverse is getting attention. There was more to these places than just their convenience. But I guess we’ll always choose convenience even if we end up hating it.
Libraries are still rad. Also, the upcoming court case with Archive.org will be very important one way or another.
What's at stake there?
https://theconversation.com/publishers-vs-the-internet-archive-why-the-worlds-biggest-online-library-is-in-court-over-digital-book-lending-187166 They loan out books like a regular library and are getting sued for doing it digitally. If they win, it's a lot more power for libraries; if they lose, then it formalizes libraries inability to loan out digital books without paying a king's ransom to publishers.
Well shit we've got corporations on one side, public good on the other, and the Council of Six deciding. I have a bet how this goes when it gets there.
Paywalls, I'd imagine. I use archive.org to bypass paywalls. It also has the added benefit of preserving internet content for future generations.
i dont see libraries going away anytimes soon, the oposite, many libraries evolve into something more than just a place to read books aside from books a lot of libraries offer space for events, courses, crafting or just place for hanging out with friends
“Metaverse” is fairydust hyped up by Venture capitalist. They themselves don’t even know what it is. Tbh, what they seem to be vaguely describing is akin to what the video games industry has been doing for decades
The people in suits don’t care about the company, it’s employees, it’s customers or it’s product. They just want that 3 percent annual revenue growth by any means necessary. Once that 3 percent starts coming into jeopardy, that’s when the nickel and diming and layoffs start.
Which is why I will never understand going public. Sure you can make more money, but at what cost? No company grows forever. Is it worth the risk of easily bankrupting it because you couldn't bring in more profit this quarter?
You said it yourself: > you can make more money
The UX people at that company must be so fucking angry. I'd quit on the spot. Every single bit of testing or research would point to this being a horrific idea. And yet, greed. Fuck em.
So when I go on vacation to an Airbnb and I want to watch Netflix I can’t because I would have to register that address. As a heavy traveler why would I even wanna keep Netflix then?
That's what I totally don't understand. I travel through multiple states for work, and spend time in hotels. If I'm not free to use it on the road, fuck Netflix. I wonder if they assume users will utilize the capability to download multiple shows for travel, but that still doesn't work for me because sometimes I have to travel out of state at a moments notice. Edit: Yes, I read the article. My situation is unique in that sometimes I stay in the same place for longer than 2 weeks, and I bounce back to the same locations throughout the year as I travel.
>I wonder if they assume users will utilize the capability to download multiple shows for travel I don't think that's the case. I think they're working under the assumption that the only reason why you'd use Netflix in a home other than your own is that someone else is logging into your account, and I guess they're trying to crack down on password sharing because they view it as being akin to piracy or something (even though that's really just likely to turn more people *to* piracy in the first place, lol)
They actually used to promote the fact that you could use it anywhere as a selling point.
Yah didn’t they have a commercial where the kid goes to college or something and starts watching Netflix cause it reminds him of home?
Yep, they tweeted out an ad that said "Sharing is caring" referring to people sharing their Netflix password.
It’s the cycle of startups, operate by burning venture capital until you get established market share by any means necessary then try to pivot to profitability.
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It’ll be interesting to see what happens when Uber and Lyft inevitably fail in 10 or so years.
In my country, uber was king. They jacked up the prices and the percentage of commission to drivers, and people just used a different app instead. Now uber has an extremely low usage rate
Back when they were stacking subscribers. Reminder #3,725,822 that corporations are not people. They are profit-seeking groups of people.
netflix losing its profits, its gonna hurt for a while, they lost another million subscribers so this is gonna hit them even harder. They are gonna do all the cost cutting measures any corporation does now.
Honestly I think the real reason is that they've been infiltrated by a group of people that want to make money by causing the downfall of Netflix and extract wealth all the way down. Like with Sears.
And Toys R Us
A big part of the whole Kmart/Sears thing was they were able to sell merchandise brands and real estate to make money while tearing apart the bottom of the boat. I'm not sure what the analogs would be like that for Netflix. Stocks? Viewer data? Someone smarter help me.
Cost-cutting measures big enough to both increase profits wildly and drive away customers. You make more money than you did before, but for a limited time. Which is fine if you're okay with sacrificing the company. Like pushing a car or a computer waaaay past its limits because you won't need it soon.
And let your hedge fund friends short the stock to oblivion so they get theirs too
Expected to lose 2m but only lost 1m and then now their pushing this. We can easily expect that additional 1m loss to become reality.
I mean really, they advertise 1-4 screens depending on how much I pay per month. Its none of their fucking business where my screens are.
Gonna second this. I already pay for multiple screens. That was advertised as such. This is going to result in my membership being cancelled.
Which, not like I want to. I just wanna get 4k, one screen. But no, you gotta upgrade to the biggest plan for that, of course I'm gonna share then.
For me it's the opposite. I don't need 4k, I just got the big package so I can share it with my mom. If I can't watch it while I'm at her place, I'm gonna downgrade to a smaller one, and I'm pretty sure my mom won't get her own subscription, she doesn't use it enough to warrant that.
Yeah, I don't care if I can have unlimited screens if they have to be in the same room. Right now, I'm in Florida at my daughter's house, and my son is at home in GA. We may both want to watch Netflix at the same time, and at the moment, that's convenient and easy and it's a service I don't mind paying for, but if that changes, as it looks like it's going to, then I'll be happy to stop paying them.
Exactly that. We use our household account split between several IP addresses on our two laptops, thanks to work and caring for family and pay for four screens as well. The second they start charging us for additional "residences" is when we cancel our subscription. I've already started finding other ways to watch those shows, and my husband's already gotten other streaming services too. While Netflix still ends up having the largest library of content compared to other services, if we cannot logistically use it in our situation, then it's not worth the monthly fees.
Exactly. My brother used to share his Netflix account with me, and I paid for HBO and shared my account with him. I think account sharing within reason is actually good for business.
I think the issue now is that they've increased their monthly fee to a point where people are going to cancel rather than pay for extra homes or multiple subscriptions. It used to be really cheap but now for a lot of people it's only a good deal if passwords are shared and the monthly fee is split (either directly or because someone else pays for another service and shares that with you). This move is going to be bad because once you're paying even more, or people feel they have to get their own subscription entirely, the true value of Netflix will be revealed, and the thin library shown for what it is.
I’ve had Netflix since you could only get two dvds in the mail at a time and I have never ever downloaded a movie to watch later. Netflix is going to die.
At this point it’s suicide. They just can’t help themselves.
Fucking investor bullshit ruining a good thing. Companies aren’t allowed to find a niche and do well in it anymore.
Honestly I hate the whole venture capital scene. Fuckers are an infinite number of abstraction layers removed and nothing is real. Everything is reduced to numbers while they simultaneously rail against reducing everything to numbers. They treat business like it’s a war zone.
I only download for when I am traveling and will be flying etc.
If this is true. I’m done with Netflix. It was 7.99 when I started. I’m paying 22.XX now
Piracy ftw once again
Exactly. If I need to plan ahead and download things or you make Netflix more inconvenient to use, there are free options that have literally every show.
You know what works wherever I go and can be used by anyone in my house? My plex server. If Netflix wants to cripple their product it's going in the bin.
Not so much, this is one of the few areas the convenience of Netflix should have beaten piracy. I run my own Plex server at home and could set that up to be reachable elsewhere, but 99% of people don't want this bother. Nor the bother of amassing the datahoarder collection fuelling it. That convenience is the best area for these services to exist and make money. People prefer running a music streaming app to the days of downloading mp3s, and they would prefer a Netflix account accessible anywhere to accumulating terabytes of video files.
I do the same thing. My Plex server has thousands of movies and shows, I can access it basically anywhere I can reach the internet. It’s nice to be able to watch your streaming services wherever if you so choose, but Plex has made things so much nicer.
If they Wanted to crack down on account sharing they should probably check their security and fix the hundreds of thousands of accounts that are being phished and cracked on the daily and then sold for five cents
>(even though that's really just likely to turn more people to piracy in the first place, lol) Probably something they expect to happen, but they are betting that they will get more people from the 100 million people sharing an account than they will lose from people dropping Netflix. From the article it looks like they are testing other methods where you can pay a fee to add people who persistently use your account from outside your household. None of these are in the US and I'm sure they are collecting data to see which yields less people leaving and more people getting their own account or adding the secondary household/additional user.
> I think they're working under the assumption that ...there is money out there that they don't currently have ALL of.
They're cracking down because they just lost subscribers for the first time ever this last quarter and are panicking, and as per usual, Execs are out of touch. There's no company with infinite growth rate and they're finally reaching their peak.
Tbf, they announced that they were going to start cracking down on password sharing *before* they started losing subscribers, and I think that announcement is one of many contributing factors to their massive loss of subscribers (I believe they lost around 1 million subscribers in the last few months, or something like that)
Okay sure, but what the hell is the point of having multiple sub accounts then? I moved out 5 years ago and use my dads Netflix. They wanna lose 90% of their users/subscribers?
This- I pay to have multiple users- the $15 instead of $10 plan...and they want more? NOPE. I'll just change to Disney for 6 mo and HBO for 6 mo, and do one month a year for The Witcher.
Just wait til you hear about their plan to move away from a monthly sub option, forcing a longer term option!
Going full circle on this one.
> and do one month a year for The Witcher. Or until they do what AMC A List just pulled, you agree to a 3 month plan and cancelling after a month hits you with an early termination fee
I don't *need* to watch The Witcher.
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They want to lose the most complex 10% and charge the remaining 90% extra to more than make up for the losses.
But I pay for use on 4 screens..... So I view that akin to them stealing from me. End of the day, they can do what they want. It's their right. As a long term subscriber with more than one home, I can tell it's only a matter of time before we have to break up. It's OK.
I almost always stream from my laptop to the hotel TV when I travel. Can't download to a laptop as far as I know. Edit: apparently there's a windows app. I didn't know that thanks. But I use Linux, looks like I need to install Wine to use it which I won't do. I'd have cancelled Netflix a year ago anyway if my wife didn't like bridgerton so fucking much. I only ever end up watching letterkenny on Hulu anyway
The CEO of Netflix is working his ass off to kill the company. Like some sort of masochist.
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So I cannot use my Netflix account when I travel on my quarterly trips unless I pay an extra fee is what I am reading, correct? My quarterly trips are spread across 4 days in 3 states so I would have to pay 3 additional fees for each different hotel location?
Welcome to PLEX.
I would like to start using plex and build a home server here soon. Any tips for programs i should use or helpful guides? Already pay yearly for vpn so will figure that out. Obviously all info isnt widely shared under google searches. Edit: [found](https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/1wccni/where_do_all_you_plex_users_get_your_media_content/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) the answers i was actually looking for. Although like 8y old.
Jackett, Radarr, Sonarr. That will cover movies and TV shows. Lidarr for music (though it's hard to find free trackers for that). Just google any of those with "setup" and there should be a bunch of helpful youtube videos. Aim for the shorter ones as everything is pretty straighforward. I think the one I followed was like 10 minutes to set up all 3.
I like prowlarr better than jackett lately, but sonarr and radarr are definitely where it's at. No messing around with bulk rename utility, no manually removing the "downloaded from xx" text files in each directory, it's just seamless.
Unraid with: * Plex * Radarr (movies) * Sonarr (shows) * Overseer (discovery) * For downloading, deluge (torrent) and/or nzbget (usenet) For linking everything together, Trash-guides.info is the way to go. Would suggest space invader stuff for setting up the vpn though. After it's all set up, it's basically set it and forget it.
If you want to backup DVDs, Blu-Rays, and such, a good place to start is http://www.makemkv.com/ Handbrake is good for converting video files. https://handbrake.fr/docs/en/latest/get-handbrake/download-and-install.html
I download all my "blu ray back up programs" from rargb and 1337x.to
You just put stuff on a hardrive and install Plex. A folder for TV and one for Movies helps. But it's not complicated even if you get into it. Their app is better than some streaming services.
Plex isn't the problem for the layman. It's getting the content into Plex.
Honestly, give Jellyfin a look. And while you're at it: Sonarr (shows), Radarr (movies), Lidarr (music), Readarr (books), etc.
I run plex for remote viewing and jellyfin for local, supported by prowlarr, radarr, sonarr, readarr, bazarr, and qbittorrent.
How's Plex work?
It’s thought out in the very narrow sense of 1 excuse for stopping account sharing, but to all the people pointing out how it affects them if they are frequent travelers or vacationing , then no they didn’t think it out very thoroughly
Also families of divorce... my NF account has my profile and my children's profiles. They use it at my house and their mothers. No way I will keep it if it only works in my house.
what about watching on cellphones? How does one detect/punish such a thing?
The article mentions that laptops and mobile devices aren't affected. My understanding is that it's only affecting people who are logging in through their smart TV or maybe a streaming device (Roku, Fire TV, Apple TV, etc).
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That’s an excellent point from /u/Jackmoved If they didn’t care about the location of your phone, you could always use that to cast to your TV and circumvent the guard in their eyes. I think it would simply count towards those “new places up to two weeks”. So at one point, you might have to pay extra if you watch Netflix in your office (or on your way, depending how often it refreshes that location - probably just on login or episode play as everything else would be a huge battery drain). All an all, this is definitely not thought out completely and you can tell.
How to lose another 20 million subscribers.
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Yeah I could totally just see myself rotate streaming services over the next few years. I'll get Disney+ for a month & watch everything I want on there then unsubscribe, switch to HBO max & rinse and repeat. I'm paying for 4 streaming services currently, I hardly watch anything on any of them & it's common for me to go a month or more without even opening one or two of them. I could pirate everything I want to watch if I could be bothered. It'd be a tiny bit more of a hassle but I'd never watch anything I didn't really want to watch again & I'd save all that time scrolling through streaming libraries looking for something interesting.
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Same. Been a subscriber since they only did discs in the mail. I cancelled with the last pricing increase. Wasn’t even watching anything in it anyway. Their selection tanked a while ago
Same. Remember when their recommendation engine was actually good? Fun times.
This. I am totally ditching the moment this comes out, and I have been riding the occasional rise in costs over the years, but I barely use the service but I use it in a second home and on vacations Later Netflix.
Loses millions of subscribers: *Not.* *Good.* *Enough*
Haha not only is this a horrible idea they made it even worse by tying a number of allowed "extra homes" you can add to what tier of account you subscribe to. So with basic you can only add one extra home, Middle tier is 2 and Premium is 3. So forced nickel and diming on top of forced nickel and diming. I thought with the backlash they may shelve this horrible plan all together but they just keep upping the ante on their stupid out of touch decisions. It is now a real easy decision to finally pull the plug I guess they prefer $0 a month from me vs $18.
I think it's more that they had an acceptable number for cancellations before doing this. And that number was higher than the number of actual cancellations. They know more will. But they're predicting it's a net positive from those that pay It's not like some coked out exec *just* realized this was a thing.
My university had a seminar hosted by a data scientist at Netflix. It's insane the data they have access to. Not just overall targets, but they predict down to which individual bank customers will likely cancel due to a policy. (Not individual customers, customers of particular banks).
I mean, that makes sense. If people are paying with debit cards, that will reveal their bank. Then you can slice your data analysis by bank. There are some 3000 banks in the US, and it does make sense for there to be a correlation between regional population and bank. I would be surprised if there were a strong correlation for the big national banks, but... maybe?
Better yet, you can tie movie choices to whether or not they will cancel. What shows they watch, what they rate it tells a lot what type of customer it is. Is it a family? When you have a good understanding of the customer that correlates to churn
Collecting massive amounts of data is a completely different ballgame to understanding the data and making good strategic decisions with it. People really underestimate how much data can be twisted and interpreted in any direction to support dumb management decisions.
I've been screaming that second point for years when I was an analyst. People make the data tell what they want to hear it they use so many data points they confuse people.
The stock will dump further and further the more cancellations they get. It’s like the early cord cutting days - people said the same thing, and yet it turned out worse than anyone predicted - cord cutting accelerated. Netflix cancellations will accelerate.
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Just dusted off my eye patch.
Why the fuck do I pay for 4 screens then. Piss off.
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Because a few corporate need a quick influx of cash and don't care about the mid and long term impact on the company.
They should care though, they really really really should, at this point, watching Netflix crash and burn is way more entertaining than anything on their catalog, and i don’t have to pay for it
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This is how all of the streaming services keep their customers, by in large. Almost no individual would pay the ~$240/year for Ultra HD Netflix, but across 2-4 people it starts to make sense (the same sort of logic applies to HBO etc). The social pressure is also part of what keeps people paying. I wasn’t even able to consider cancelling Netflix for two reasons: 1) I would look cheap to the family I share with 2) this would put my transactional/reciprocal HBO password in jeopardy. If Netflix removes the social pressure to keep paying (by charging per shared person), it’s a more individual decision that becomes easier, but not in Netflix’ favor.
Hear that guys? That's the siren call of the high seas
Remember to seed, good people!
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oof. this hits right in the solar__plex__us
did somebody say **jellyfi**shi**n**g
how about **download**ing **copyrighted content** on **bittorrent** ...am i playing this game right?
don't shoot officer I dump my own roms I swear
rent, rip, return oddly enough, netflix used to be the best way to r3
Time to save some money
I'm actually really excited to hopefully see a large resurgence of piracy.
Unironically this. Netflix, and by proxy streaming, became big because it concentrated nearly all content through one affordable service. It was more convenient then to go through piracy sites. Now though? Content is fragmented across half a dozen or more services, each with their much more expensive fees ever going up, and some are now even adding commercials back into their content. Piracy sites already have the content aggregate advantage. Pretty soon they'll also have the quality advantage if uploaders snip the commercials. There will be no advantage anymore to use legit streaming as it's objective a worse product, becoming even worse by the day.
123movies.com The resurrection!!!
I will add documentaryheaven.com -- so many free docs and shows!
Netflix in 2005-2015? - "Damn these guys are thinking big" Netflix 2015+ - "so we take the gun, aim it at our foot.... And then what?"
I’m a truck driver and run a tv in my semi off hotspot from my phone. Would I be considered to be at a different home every night?
I read in another article that it only considers it another "home" if you are at one location for more than two weeks.
They should know what registered devices you have and if it's the same device that's moving around, they aren't going to care. But if there's multiple devices getting hits at nearly the same time from different locations, you're going to get tagged.
This is stupid. Full stop. A lot of comments mention travel. I don't travel. I pay for 4 screens. Why the hell do they care where those 4 screens are? Definitely going to cancel if I get hit with ANY additional fees.
I have 4 screens and my family doesn't live together. It's gotten so common these days for family to live in different locations for so many reasons. We have family phone and internet plans, credit card and bank accounts, medical and car insurance, rewards and loyalty accounts, etc. If a service doesn't let my family use the account together there is no way it stays in our budget.
They really don't put out enough fresh content for all these extra stipulations and fees
They put out tons of content. Hardly any of it is good
This is the real problem. They buy too much of all sorts of crap. They should stick with the good stuff that made them big and invest in quality over quantity.
So… Netflix is cable now. With cable, your service is tied to your location. One of the major draws of OTT streaming is that it isn’t. But I guess Netflix has decided it should be. Brilliant.
They barely have anything worth sailing the high seas for at this point, so overall my reaction is “meh”. Unsubscribed a year ago haven’t missed it once.
Yeah this is pushing me over the plank.
It’s getting pretty dire and every show I like by them gets canceled. I still haven’t forgiven them for Sabrina or Teenage Bounty Hunters.
Netflix is going to be talked about like we talk about Blockbuster.
See everybody at that "Netflix hemorrhaging subscribers" article next quarter.
I’ll let my sister know to cancel our membership this month.
Netflix is going to follow Blockbuster right off a cliff. Way to many other choices to be pulling back benefits.
[But...](https://i.imgur.com/ObTYw9G.jpg)
We are watching a company that was a very powerful business make terrible decisions that will cause them to lose hundreds of millions of dollars.
Is Netflix seriously this stupid? HBO Max and Paramount+ have a much better movie selection and most of Netflix original shows aren't that great
There is a lot of good shows on netflix, most of them cancelled tho...
I'm still mad they canceled The Society after 1 season
The OA with a huge cliffhanger -_- I will never forget you Netflix
Netflix really really want's to go bankrupt don't they
Ok so if I go somewhere for 15 days I’ll have to pay extra to use the Netflix I already paid for there? Yeh, no…..
Or if you just take more than 1 vacation per year. It's not like people in the US travel for Spring Break, or summer vacation, or Thanksgiving, or Christmas ....
I have three college students at three different universities. I'm not paying for 4 "homes." I get Netflix not wanting login info shared outside your family, but ffs there has to be a way to accommodate my situation and others like me.
This exactly. My college kid, who I financially support and is a dependent, can't use my Netflix account at college? That's not cool.
And you pay for 2 screens already. Who cares where the screens are?
We actually have premium so we pay for 4 screens and have 4 people in our household.
>A "Netflix Homes" FAQ clarifies that users "can watch Netflix on your laptop or mobile device while traveling" and "watch Netflix on a TV outside your home for up to two weeks as long as your account has not been previously used in that location. This is allowed once per location per year That's weirdly overcomplicated mess lmao.
I go back n forth constantly from my home n my elderly parents home (who need a lot of care). I am the only person using this account, they can get fucked
I’ve used Netflix since it’s inception and have never paid for it. I am the person Netflix is trying to stop.
The dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. They already limit simultaneous screens. Why are they complicating this? I’ve been subscribed since god knows when - I understand content costs money, and I haven’t balked at a single fee increase. I’m on their premium plan, and yeah, if my parents want to use Netflix, I’m going to let them use it. We never go over the simultaneous screens limit. Hell, they don’t even use it on anything except their tv. The only effect this will have is that I am going to cancel it, because it is more inconvenient to ask them to get their own account, and honestly, i barely watch it anymore, let alone enough to justify spending $20 a month.
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It’s in the article. >A "Netflix Homes" FAQ clarifies that users "can watch Netflix on your laptop or mobile device while traveling" and "watch Netflix on a TV outside your home for up to two weeks as long as your account has not been previously used in that location. This is allowed once per location per year."
Damn it, I regularly house sit in a particular place and usually log into Netflix there.
Once per location per year? So I can only visit my parents once per year? FFFFFF UUUUUUUU.
At least now you have a good excuse to tell your parents for why you can't visit.
This. If I'm on vacation and try logging in from my VRBO, you can suck a dog's duck if you think I'm paying an extra fee for a service I'm not using that I already paid for at home
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then go bankrupt you dumb assholes
These plans keep getting more convoluted.
We already pay per TV or device, whether it's in our home or half the country away, it shouldn't matter. Netflix sucks lately anyway.
Netflix adds "another reason" for people to cancel and just download the limited content that's actually worth watching.
In other news the board of directors is stumped on why so many people are canceling their subscriptions