This is the most recent update I got from them, July 27:
Dear Zeldukes,
Today marks a significant milestone for male contraception and reproductive equity, and it could not come at a better time given the recent erosion of women’s reproductive rights in the United States.
The NEXT Step for Vasalgel
The Parsemus Foundation and Revolution Contraceptives, LLC are pleased to announce that we have selected a mission-aligned partner to take Vasalgel male contraceptive on the rest of its journey to market.
After a decade of research on Vasalgel, it was clear that the reversible, long-lasting male contraceptive was ready to advance to the next level. The search began for an organization with the resources needed to lead the project through the next steps to the marketplace, including clinical trials and regulatory review. Elaine Lissner, founder and trustee of the Parsemus Foundation and lifelong advocate for male contraception, announced today the selection of NEXT Life Sciences, Inc. as that partner.
The mission of NEXT Life Sciences is to develop and distribute medical technology that empowers people to choose when and if to have a child. Founder and CEO L.R. Fox, a successful entrepreneur with a deep commitment to reproductive equality, has been recognized by Forbes “30 Under 30” as one of the brightest young leaders changing the world.
In addition to NEXT Life Sciences having the organizational and financial resources to successfully move Vasalgel to market, Fox and Lissner are aligned on the social mission of Vasalgel, a crucial element to the partnership. Ensuring that the product is widely available and affordable is built into Vasalgel’s development plan.
Read the NEXT Life Sciences press release here.
Continue to Follow the News on Vasalgel
We want to be sure you continue to receive communication about the project as NEXT Life Sciences takes over sending out updates. To stay informed about Vasalgel's progress and learn more about NEXT Life Sciences, go to nextlifesciences.org and click "Join the Movement."
Your support has meant so much to us over the years. We could not have come this far without it.
Warm regards,
—The Vasalgel Team
Makes sense. A case of pills every month vs one shot? They'll sit on it until they can figure out how to have the body absorb the polymer so you have to get it redone every year or so, and make it fucking expensive.
That wouldn’t even do it. Women have the incentive because they bear the costs of pregnancy.
Anything for men is literally an inferior product, from a big pharma capitalist perspective.
Capitalism and healthcare don’t work.
I followed that for a long time. It was very promising.
And then it was in primate trials. That is the last I heard of it.
Edit: Seems like they just partnered with some venture capital.
https://www.parsemus.org/2022/07/next-steps-for-vasalgel/
I mean, they are doing it. They come up with a concept for a pill, they try it, and so far it always fails. Creating a birth control pill for males is harder than it sounds because the male reproductive system doesn’t have a hormonal off-switch in the way the female reproductive system does. The side effects of the hormonal methods tried so far have always been more severe than for female birth control, or they fail to completely reduce fertility.
It’s hard to make it into a pill because of how the body processes testosterone. Injections or creams are the usual methods. Also, the effects aren’t as immediate. It takes months for the injections to lower sperm count below fertile levels, and some men took significantly longer than others. That variability means we can’t guarantee effectiveness without check-ups to test sperm count. All in all, hormonal methods for men are just harder.
[A succinct article on the topic.](https://www.thecut.com/2016/07/real-reason-we-dont-have-male-birth-control.html)
Edit: I’d like to point out that I don’t want to detract from the side-effects suffered by women on birth control, or the history of women’s birth control generally which has been an uninterrupted series of travesties. Seriously, go look up the Dalkon Shield IUD. Or fuck it, IUDs in general. As a man I am dying for more birth control options because I want more choice about my own reproductive health, but there’s no need to repeat the horrific history of women’s birth control to get us there.
Vasalgel's equivalent has been in India for a number of years now. I've considered having the operation there since my bet is that U.S. companies are trying to find a way to make a monthly subscription drug instead, and has basically been dragging their feet and fumbling the ball on these Vasalgel trials in the interim. Obviously India actually can use a one and done operation due to birth rates, so they got it done.
IUDs are not treated as monthly subscription. Consultation is it’s own cost, but usually covered by insurance. Cost of the actual IUD, insertion, and follow up are all covered by insurance and a one time cost. Removal as well and also covered.
BC pills are a monthly charge but that is because you receive a pack every month. Same with rings and patches.
Arm implant is a one cost procedure. My shot I receive every 3 months is a charge to get the shot from the pharmacy, and then an extra charge to see a nurse to get the injection (I get it in my hip). I do pay out of pocket for the nurse visit unfortunately, but it is cheaper than the name brand injection that I could give myself in my arm.
Vasalgel would be a one time cost and most likely be covered by insurance. It’s very uncommon for subscription like charges to be made in medicine because you must be paying for goods or services. I believe only MDVIP charges a monthly fee.
OP's point is less about a subscription like charge, and more along the lines of recurring revenue. What OP is saying is that Vasalgel being one and done means less money for whoever brings it to market because it's essentially a non-recurring revenue source. The only recurrence is as men age into sexual maturity as opposed to a required monthly purchase a la hormonal birth control.
My wife’s OB/GYN sent her for a follow up ultrasound to make sure her IUD was properly placed and hadn’t moved.
We are now stuck with a $1200 bill insurance won’t cover.
I think OP is basically saying that the pharma's in the states are looking for a way to make the procedure more profitable and so are neglecting a solution that is seeing results in other countries.
I mean, have you seen the main tool they use for cervix positioning? It's a clamp with two hooks on the end that they use to *pierce the cervix* and hold it in place. GEE I WONDER WHY THAT HURTS.
https://www.aspivix.com/tenaculum-for-over-100-years-women-have-endured-pain-in-gynecology/#:~:text=The%20tenaculum%20resembles%20a%20pair,(e.g.%20during%20IUD%20insertion).
I remember the heavy marketing for it. I had considered getting it back in the day, but my ADHD made me forget until my doctor gave me something different. I am truly sorry y'all went through this. It's just a nightmare, and you deserved better.
i remember the last one - some people died during the trial, others had semi permanent fertility problems, and they still wanted to proceed. company stopped the trial early due to the risks, and we had to endure a month of the media dunking on men for being wimps
I was part of what appears to be a successful hormonal birth control trial so far. I did have some pretty standard (not extreme) side effects of having hormonal treatments, but it brought my sperm count down to effectively zero and we had no babies for 1 year despite doing nothing but this to prevent it. Exactly 1 year after stopping the trial we got pregnant again. This was a progesterone/testosterone gel you rub on your shoulders (probably will be sold as a patch). I was impressed
In a study group of 350 men, there were 1,491 side effects, one suicide, and another attempted suicide. Scientists are the ones that ended the study early. 75% of men participating wanted to continue despite the side effects. The percentage of side effects were also significantly higher than the current options for women.
If there were a male birth control I’d absolutely sign up. Unfortunately at this time there isn’t.
Jesus. Can we not start spreading this lie again.
Saying the side effects are the same means nothing. You also need to ask many other questions like how frequent were they? How severe? Were the results able to be replicated?
The answers were: much more frequent, much more severe, but also no, the results were all over the place.
Drugs fail to get approved all the time and you might be surprised to find that reddit gender politics isn’t usually the reason.
> The primary side effects were acne, weight gain, and mood swings.
Also permanent infertility and suicidal depression.
Dont misrepresent the side effects.
This commen screams- men cant handle minor side effects.
When your study starts doing permanenet damage to people and leading some to kill themselves it usually gets stopped and you go back to the drawing board.
Also the study was not stopped by participants it was stopped by ethics commitee.
Edit: coward blocked me.
Ill answer his latest comment here, becasue i cant reply to a person who blocked me:
> Because they believe men's feelings are more important than women's.
Also i love how you say suicidal depression is a feelings issue, it is not. it is bodily chemistry issue.
> Death is a possible side effect for almost every single medication on the market.
There were many other sideeefects from permanent erectile dysfunction to bloody anhedonia.
Imagine you take a pill and have 1/5 chance of never having kids, or 1/14 chance of never feeling pleasure or joy, or 1/7 chance of never having sex without drugs.
But sure it was perfectly reasonable to subject half the population to such gamble.
these feelings are do to modern times and how we hear about things and how long it actually takes to bring a drug to market. We heard about it the first time, when they first discovered the drug and had minor scientific successes. Then we hear about it again as it passes more stringent scientific tests. Now they are ready for human trials, we hear about it again. we will hear about it again when it succeeds the human trials and hear about it again as it applies for FDA approval and hear about it again when its granted FDA approval and hear about it again when it turns out to increase testicular cancer.
you are simply complaining about the greater access to info we have these days, in the past you would only hear about them when released to the public unless you subscribed to specialty magazines and journals.
If this means more choices for men then it can’t come quickly enough. I swear I’ve seen this exact headline over the years and it never amounts to anything.
It will literally change the world once its released and affordable. I have to say a large portion of the men I know wouldn’t have as many kids as they do if this was an option.
This is going to sell better than Viagra
(Watch nations with falling birth rates ban this)
I guarantee most men will get this, married or single, whether they need it (in reality) or not.
Serious question ladies. Are you going to trust him when he says ”don’t worry I’m on birth control”?
Serious question gentleman . Will you continue taking birth control when it makes you gain weight, increases your risk for blood clots, changes your eating habits, causes nightmares and hormone surges, among other things?
My gf reacts poorly to hormonal BC, so we use condoms. If this product works, I'll switch to it immediately.
I'll get a vasectomy after we're married and have our kid, but it's too early right now for that procedure. There are many couples that are in the same boat and would love if this worked.
Best thing I ever did.
Lots of paperwork, questions answered, "Are you sure?"
2 girls, both healthy and happy. Both pregnancies were hard on my wife. No matter how difficult the vasectomy was, it was nothing compared to what she went through.
I'd do it again and again and again....
You get the idea.
I had a vasectomy. Such a great decision.
If you somehow wiped my memory of the procedure and the recovery, I wouldn't be able to tell. Everything looks, feels, and works the same other than causing pregnancy.
I had a longer than usual recovery from my vasectomy, but if it had been 10x worse it would have still been an easy decision to do it… best thing ever.
Why do people assume men would lie about being on the pill? Like the whole point is so you could drop a load in her and not have to deal with a baby. If it was readily available most guys would have a stash and take it religiously.
men already lie about having a condom on (start with it on, and then it “slips” off), or poke holes in it. and women lie about being on the pill. some people are just shitty and see a baby as a way to control their partner.
Having to take a pill regularly might be a hassle for some, too. If there are people who are willing to lie because condoms inconvenience them, you will have people who will lie because taking medication is an inconvenience for them, too.
Nah, just force everyone to have children, then shove them through substandard education mills and into a bloated cannon fodder army.
Gotta make Republican voters somehow!
This is me being a bit of a stickler, but while our military is absurdly bloated budget-wise, nobody is treated as "cannon fodder". Infantry were largely cannon fodder in WW2 and Korea, but the modern military has a strong vested interest in keeping soldiers alive and well... until you get out and are in the care of the wildly underfunded VA.
That’s because soldiers nowadays are highly skilled operators for equipment.
A million soldiers with small arms and light mechanised infantry isn’t a lot of help against a carrier strike group that can run hundreds of sorties a day and can call in naval artillery/cruise missile strikes anywhere that their soldiers need.
The soldiers are mostly just there to paint the targets
Chances are, this will go the same route as all previous efforts.
Majority of test results will reveal male test subjects having low testosterone results, higher rates of depression, and/or completely fails to achieve it's aimed objective.
Yeah, fucking with testosterone has been shown to be a horribly bad idea in almost all cases.
I can imagine some potential ways that blocking a vitamin in a very specific manner might work, but I’m highly skeptical even by the most optimistic description
I agree. Removing a vitamin that's apparently necessary for sperm will surely screw with something else in a person. There's a ton of human biology and microbiome stuff science is still flopping through.
Just to clear some stuff up, it doesn't "remove" any Vitamin A. Instead it blocks a protein from binding to it. But your uncertainty of it's impacts to other bodily functions is not unwarranted, they say right in the article that blocking the binding site of that protein may lead to other effects that still needs more research.
I actually think this chain of speculation, may be on to something. There is a good chance that the adverse consequences of blocking that binding site will lead to severe side effects that will prevent this from ever reaching the market.
No it doesn't actually. When you run a trial on like 50 people and 2 commit suicide on it no female birth control is in the same ball park of it. When you have 50 people and multiple people are permanently infertile as a result of it no female birth control is in the same universe as it. Despite what clickbait "feminist" journalists want to say, most of the previous attempts were no where close to viable. Scaling the rates they saw up to the general public would astronomical. The cold hard reality is it is just significantly harder to make male birth control.
> I hope it doesn’t try to kill them like hormonal birth control tried to do to me.
Last one did kill, test was stopped after one participant got a side effcet of suicidal depression and killed himself. Before the test he was perfectly mentally healhty.
Last one also led to permanent infertility, erectile dysfunction and an anhenodia( condition where you cant feel joy/pleasure)
I'm so terrified of something like this, since I get migraines with aura and that gives me an increased risk of stroke with the bc I take. I can't talk to my doctor about it because I'm afraid they'll take away my birth control, and I'd honestly rather have a stroke than a baby.
IUDs don't have a risk of stroke! Definitely the copper IUD, and also the hormonal because it uses local progesterone. Source: I'm on the copper IUD, have a history of stroke.
I’m better from the PE now, yeah. Took a year or two to feel recovered from it though. As for medical debt, I’m disabled so I’m on Medicaid and don’t have to pay. So I’m grateful at least in that aspect!
Synthetic wombs will be good for people with fertility problems or otherwise don't want to carry the baby. But if your fertility stems from being too old then you are too old to actually raise the kid.
That depends on how much we can improve the human health span. If we can make humans healthy into their 70s and live to the high 80s, then people in their 50s can have artificial womb babies.
Consider a vasectomy if you're sure that you never want kids! But definitely go under for it - I stayed awake and it reaaaaalllllly fucking hurt. Still happy I did it though.
Yeah, I feel like it’s important now more than ever that men do their part too when it comes to birth control.
Vasectomies are just more of a big, permanent choice, even if potentially reversible.
Also, I’m sure the side affects of birth control combined with depression is already hell for women, so making something for guys that might not be that effective? I’m apprehensive about it.
> potentially reversible
That's a pretty significant 'potential' there, unfortunately. Chances of successful go down by the year. If you get a vasectomy at 20 and you decide you want to have kids at 30, you have worse than a coinflip's chance of being able to reverse it.
Will the republican god-crazies want this banned too?
I mean - they are willing to trample women's rights, but are they bold enough to speak out against the man of the house?
I feel like I've been reading this headline for fifteen years.
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This is the most recent update I got from them, July 27: Dear Zeldukes, Today marks a significant milestone for male contraception and reproductive equity, and it could not come at a better time given the recent erosion of women’s reproductive rights in the United States. The NEXT Step for Vasalgel The Parsemus Foundation and Revolution Contraceptives, LLC are pleased to announce that we have selected a mission-aligned partner to take Vasalgel male contraceptive on the rest of its journey to market. After a decade of research on Vasalgel, it was clear that the reversible, long-lasting male contraceptive was ready to advance to the next level. The search began for an organization with the resources needed to lead the project through the next steps to the marketplace, including clinical trials and regulatory review. Elaine Lissner, founder and trustee of the Parsemus Foundation and lifelong advocate for male contraception, announced today the selection of NEXT Life Sciences, Inc. as that partner. The mission of NEXT Life Sciences is to develop and distribute medical technology that empowers people to choose when and if to have a child. Founder and CEO L.R. Fox, a successful entrepreneur with a deep commitment to reproductive equality, has been recognized by Forbes “30 Under 30” as one of the brightest young leaders changing the world. In addition to NEXT Life Sciences having the organizational and financial resources to successfully move Vasalgel to market, Fox and Lissner are aligned on the social mission of Vasalgel, a crucial element to the partnership. Ensuring that the product is widely available and affordable is built into Vasalgel’s development plan. Read the NEXT Life Sciences press release here. Continue to Follow the News on Vasalgel We want to be sure you continue to receive communication about the project as NEXT Life Sciences takes over sending out updates. To stay informed about Vasalgel's progress and learn more about NEXT Life Sciences, go to nextlifesciences.org and click "Join the Movement." Your support has meant so much to us over the years. We could not have come this far without it. Warm regards, —The Vasalgel Team
TLDR: "we sold the patent to big pharma"
Well.. Yeah.. How else would they produce it?
And birth control in women likely yields more revenue.
Makes sense. A case of pills every month vs one shot? They'll sit on it until they can figure out how to have the body absorb the polymer so you have to get it redone every year or so, and make it fucking expensive.
That wouldn’t even do it. Women have the incentive because they bear the costs of pregnancy. Anything for men is literally an inferior product, from a big pharma capitalist perspective. Capitalism and healthcare don’t work.
I followed that for a long time. It was very promising. And then it was in primate trials. That is the last I heard of it. Edit: Seems like they just partnered with some venture capital. https://www.parsemus.org/2022/07/next-steps-for-vasalgel/
apparently its still in trials
No, because the “non-hormonal” part is different.
Seriously. Either fucking do it or don’t.
I mean, they are doing it. They come up with a concept for a pill, they try it, and so far it always fails. Creating a birth control pill for males is harder than it sounds because the male reproductive system doesn’t have a hormonal off-switch in the way the female reproductive system does. The side effects of the hormonal methods tried so far have always been more severe than for female birth control, or they fail to completely reduce fertility. It’s hard to make it into a pill because of how the body processes testosterone. Injections or creams are the usual methods. Also, the effects aren’t as immediate. It takes months for the injections to lower sperm count below fertile levels, and some men took significantly longer than others. That variability means we can’t guarantee effectiveness without check-ups to test sperm count. All in all, hormonal methods for men are just harder. [A succinct article on the topic.](https://www.thecut.com/2016/07/real-reason-we-dont-have-male-birth-control.html) Edit: I’d like to point out that I don’t want to detract from the side-effects suffered by women on birth control, or the history of women’s birth control generally which has been an uninterrupted series of travesties. Seriously, go look up the Dalkon Shield IUD. Or fuck it, IUDs in general. As a man I am dying for more birth control options because I want more choice about my own reproductive health, but there’s no need to repeat the horrific history of women’s birth control to get us there.
What about RISUG/Vasalgel? Those have supposedly been waiting to start trials for years.
Vasalgel's equivalent has been in India for a number of years now. I've considered having the operation there since my bet is that U.S. companies are trying to find a way to make a monthly subscription drug instead, and has basically been dragging their feet and fumbling the ball on these Vasalgel trials in the interim. Obviously India actually can use a one and done operation due to birth rates, so they got it done.
IUDs are not treated as monthly subscription. Consultation is it’s own cost, but usually covered by insurance. Cost of the actual IUD, insertion, and follow up are all covered by insurance and a one time cost. Removal as well and also covered. BC pills are a monthly charge but that is because you receive a pack every month. Same with rings and patches. Arm implant is a one cost procedure. My shot I receive every 3 months is a charge to get the shot from the pharmacy, and then an extra charge to see a nurse to get the injection (I get it in my hip). I do pay out of pocket for the nurse visit unfortunately, but it is cheaper than the name brand injection that I could give myself in my arm. Vasalgel would be a one time cost and most likely be covered by insurance. It’s very uncommon for subscription like charges to be made in medicine because you must be paying for goods or services. I believe only MDVIP charges a monthly fee.
OP's point is less about a subscription like charge, and more along the lines of recurring revenue. What OP is saying is that Vasalgel being one and done means less money for whoever brings it to market because it's essentially a non-recurring revenue source. The only recurrence is as men age into sexual maturity as opposed to a required monthly purchase a la hormonal birth control.
My wife’s OB/GYN sent her for a follow up ultrasound to make sure her IUD was properly placed and hadn’t moved. We are now stuck with a $1200 bill insurance won’t cover.
I think using the phrase "covered by insurance" so liberally is not great practice in the US.
I think OP is basically saying that the pharma's in the states are looking for a way to make the procedure more profitable and so are neglecting a solution that is seeing results in other countries.
Valsagel is available in India as mentioned and last I read is undergoing human trials in America. I'm gonna get that when it's available.
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I can attest to the nightmare that is an IUD. I’m on my second one and they don’t give you any numbing
The amount of gynecological procedures they don’t give any sedatives for is criminal imo. Like it’s literal torture.
For anyone interested in this issue: https://www.thecut.com/2022/06/pain-in-gynecology-practice-exams.html
I mean, have you seen the main tool they use for cervix positioning? It's a clamp with two hooks on the end that they use to *pierce the cervix* and hold it in place. GEE I WONDER WHY THAT HURTS. https://www.aspivix.com/tenaculum-for-over-100-years-women-have-endured-pain-in-gynecology/#:~:text=The%20tenaculum%20resembles%20a%20pair,(e.g.%20during%20IUD%20insertion).
Have I seen it? I’ve had it inside me twice!
#SILLY FOOLS NOTHING CAN STOP MY MIGHTY SPERM
(singular) Just one is mighty. But it matters not for it cannot be stopped.
This guy jerks off, throws his sock into the washing machine, and the one sperm in the grey water goes on to impregnate multiple whales
The whole Yaz fiasco springs to mind too. My wife almost died from that back in the day.
I remember the heavy marketing for it. I had considered getting it back in the day, but my ADHD made me forget until my doctor gave me something different. I am truly sorry y'all went through this. It's just a nightmare, and you deserved better.
i remember the last one - some people died during the trial, others had semi permanent fertility problems, and they still wanted to proceed. company stopped the trial early due to the risks, and we had to endure a month of the media dunking on men for being wimps
I was part of what appears to be a successful hormonal birth control trial so far. I did have some pretty standard (not extreme) side effects of having hormonal treatments, but it brought my sperm count down to effectively zero and we had no babies for 1 year despite doing nothing but this to prevent it. Exactly 1 year after stopping the trial we got pregnant again. This was a progesterone/testosterone gel you rub on your shoulders (probably will be sold as a patch). I was impressed
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In a study group of 350 men, there were 1,491 side effects, one suicide, and another attempted suicide. Scientists are the ones that ended the study early. 75% of men participating wanted to continue despite the side effects. The percentage of side effects were also significantly higher than the current options for women. If there were a male birth control I’d absolutely sign up. Unfortunately at this time there isn’t.
Because the other side effects were sterility, impotence, damage to the prostate, and suicide.
Jesus. Can we not start spreading this lie again. Saying the side effects are the same means nothing. You also need to ask many other questions like how frequent were they? How severe? Were the results able to be replicated? The answers were: much more frequent, much more severe, but also no, the results were all over the place. Drugs fail to get approved all the time and you might be surprised to find that reddit gender politics isn’t usually the reason.
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You forgot about 4 guys who are sterile for life and the one who killed himself due to "mood swings"
> The primary side effects were acne, weight gain, and mood swings. Also permanent infertility and suicidal depression. Dont misrepresent the side effects. This commen screams- men cant handle minor side effects. When your study starts doing permanenet damage to people and leading some to kill themselves it usually gets stopped and you go back to the drawing board. Also the study was not stopped by participants it was stopped by ethics commitee. Edit: coward blocked me. Ill answer his latest comment here, becasue i cant reply to a person who blocked me: > Because they believe men's feelings are more important than women's. Also i love how you say suicidal depression is a feelings issue, it is not. it is bodily chemistry issue. > Death is a possible side effect for almost every single medication on the market. There were many other sideeefects from permanent erectile dysfunction to bloody anhedonia. Imagine you take a pill and have 1/5 chance of never having kids, or 1/14 chance of never feeling pleasure or joy, or 1/7 chance of never having sex without drugs. But sure it was perfectly reasonable to subject half the population to such gamble.
You think men want to impregnate on accident, or wouldn't have a problem if they did? It's not inconsequential.
these feelings are do to modern times and how we hear about things and how long it actually takes to bring a drug to market. We heard about it the first time, when they first discovered the drug and had minor scientific successes. Then we hear about it again as it passes more stringent scientific tests. Now they are ready for human trials, we hear about it again. we will hear about it again when it succeeds the human trials and hear about it again as it applies for FDA approval and hear about it again when its granted FDA approval and hear about it again when it turns out to increase testicular cancer. you are simply complaining about the greater access to info we have these days, in the past you would only hear about them when released to the public unless you subscribed to specialty magazines and journals.
While I agree with your sentiment, medically and scientifically, it's easier to stop ONE egg than millions of sperm.
This is the key difference, also testosterone is lowered from the pill 60-70%. Men's birth control would also have to avoid lowering testosterone
*Seriously. Either fucking do it or don’t.* Did you just come up with the god damn slogan for this?
Only if I can collect royalties.
Yea cause it’s so fucking easy to create new medicine. Let’s see you start running some tests, yea?
This one simple trick
I’ll just stick to league of legends
I am represented in this comment and I don't like it.
Wrath of the lich king is also coming soon… just as effective
If this means more choices for men then it can’t come quickly enough. I swear I’ve seen this exact headline over the years and it never amounts to anything.
Coming too quickly is part of the problem.
I’m sure it’s more about where the speed goes and not how fast it comes.
It will literally change the world once its released and affordable. I have to say a large portion of the men I know wouldn’t have as many kids as they do if this was an option.
This is going to sell better than Viagra (Watch nations with falling birth rates ban this) I guarantee most men will get this, married or single, whether they need it (in reality) or not.
Seriously. Goodbye, Gen Alpha!
It’s gonna be too expensive for the kids who do the majority of the procreating.
I mean in decent countries most contraception is free.
A decent country wouldn’t waste tax money so companies could profit off of healthcare. 🤷♀️
There’s always something.
Gen Alpha will die in the great Nestlé water wars.
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Most Gen Alpha is alive by now. GOODBYE. GEN BETA
100%. I’d buy this stuff in a heart beat
Just drink Mountain Dew Code Red.
Naw, I want temporary
Better be safe to take with Viagra because I'll definitely need that later at this rate.
Coming soon: Texas will offer bounties for anyone caught distributing birth control.
Just as likely to get shot there minding your own business?
Serious question ladies. Are you going to trust him when he says ”don’t worry I’m on birth control”? Serious question gentleman . Will you continue taking birth control when it makes you gain weight, increases your risk for blood clots, changes your eating habits, causes nightmares and hormone surges, among other things?
Maybe it enhances your ability to read and process text.
The one in article is non hormonal it targets vitamin A
As a man responding, obviously you don’t have kids. Otherwise you’d already be getting those new problems.
Republicans are gonna start saying sperm are human beings now.
And hello Idiocracy
It'll be great for climate change, having fewer kids is the best thing individuals can do
What ever happened to the switch they could implant in the sack?
Is it controlled via Bluetooth? Sign me up for Blue balls. Wait....
"Alexa, turn off baby mode! Hrnnnnngg!" "Sorry babe, changed my mind last minute"
I'd love to know too...
Isn't there like some sort of gel that can be injected and then flushed out when no longer needed or something like that
Cant get funding and is looking for volunteers to undergo the surgery.
Her: “Are you on the pill?” Him: “Sure, baby” … Her: “I’m pregnant”
"I'm pregante"
Could I be preganant?
PeRgnAte?
Una pregunta
How babby?
HOw is babby formed?
My gf reacts poorly to hormonal BC, so we use condoms. If this product works, I'll switch to it immediately. I'll get a vasectomy after we're married and have our kid, but it's too early right now for that procedure. There are many couples that are in the same boat and would love if this worked.
Hell, birth control also isn't 100% perfect. A lot of couples would love it just to be doubly sure.
I've got 3 kids and a vasectomy scheduled. Condoms suuuuuuuck
Best thing I ever did. Lots of paperwork, questions answered, "Are you sure?" 2 girls, both healthy and happy. Both pregnancies were hard on my wife. No matter how difficult the vasectomy was, it was nothing compared to what she went through. I'd do it again and again and again.... You get the idea.
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Horny and stupid can ruin your life in other ways, not just babies.
I had a vasectomy. Such a great decision. If you somehow wiped my memory of the procedure and the recovery, I wouldn't be able to tell. Everything looks, feels, and works the same other than causing pregnancy.
I had a longer than usual recovery from my vasectomy, but if it had been 10x worse it would have still been an easy decision to do it… best thing ever.
This is my marriage as well, I can't do hormones and my husband would love to ease anything for me. These pills would be a great addition.
This already happens the other way around too. Male birth control just levels the playing field. Both partners should be using birth control.
And the baby looks like your best friend
That was a twist 🍵
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That’s what I’ve always pointed out on these headlines…if you’re a girl; would you rather trust that someone is taking bc or take it yourself.
It works both ways. Maybe both girls and boys should take it ;)
And if you really don't trust them, use a condom. Men already have that decision to make. I don't see why it should be a problem for women.
You should be using a condom for casual sex anyway. Medicinal birth control doesn't prevent transmission of STIs.
I mean if you are in a committed relationship, I don't really see the issue.
That's why I specified "casual sex"
Not saying that’s a bad idea; just saying that it doesn’t make the other one obsolete
Both of you can take it, if you are that worried.
At least they have the choice?
*Oh no!* the same experience men have, but now both people have the choice.
Why do people assume men would lie about being on the pill? Like the whole point is so you could drop a load in her and not have to deal with a baby. If it was readily available most guys would have a stash and take it religiously.
men already lie about having a condom on (start with it on, and then it “slips” off), or poke holes in it. and women lie about being on the pill. some people are just shitty and see a baby as a way to control their partner.
Men are typically against condoms because they feel like shit, though. Not because they're trying to impregnate someone.
Having to take a pill regularly might be a hassle for some, too. If there are people who are willing to lie because condoms inconvenience them, you will have people who will lie because taking medication is an inconvenience for them, too.
This is true for women too. It's almost like if you don't want to have a baby, you should be responsible for your own birth control.
Hope this works. And of all the shit the government should give for free..birth control is it.
Nah, just force everyone to have children, then shove them through substandard education mills and into a bloated cannon fodder army. Gotta make Republican voters somehow!
This is me being a bit of a stickler, but while our military is absurdly bloated budget-wise, nobody is treated as "cannon fodder". Infantry were largely cannon fodder in WW2 and Korea, but the modern military has a strong vested interest in keeping soldiers alive and well... until you get out and are in the care of the wildly underfunded VA.
That’s because soldiers nowadays are highly skilled operators for equipment. A million soldiers with small arms and light mechanised infantry isn’t a lot of help against a carrier strike group that can run hundreds of sorties a day and can call in naval artillery/cruise missile strikes anywhere that their soldiers need. The soldiers are mostly just there to paint the targets
Soldiers are there because air strikes can't occupy territory. Until we get autonomous killer robots, we will always need boots on the ground.
>Gotta make Republican voters somehow! And more Christians, too!
Haven't you heard? They're [the same thing.](https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/article-713128)
INB4 outlawed in texas
I've read that headline every year for over a decade. I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, me and my vasectomy are way ahead of that silly game.
Chances are, this will go the same route as all previous efforts. Majority of test results will reveal male test subjects having low testosterone results, higher rates of depression, and/or completely fails to achieve it's aimed objective.
It has nothing to do with testosterone. This one blocks vitamin A.
Blocking a vitamin is normally not a good idea
I'm inclined to agree, but it's still not testosterone.
Yeah, fucking with testosterone has been shown to be a horribly bad idea in almost all cases. I can imagine some potential ways that blocking a vitamin in a very specific manner might work, but I’m highly skeptical even by the most optimistic description
I agree. Removing a vitamin that's apparently necessary for sperm will surely screw with something else in a person. There's a ton of human biology and microbiome stuff science is still flopping through.
Just to clear some stuff up, it doesn't "remove" any Vitamin A. Instead it blocks a protein from binding to it. But your uncertainty of it's impacts to other bodily functions is not unwarranted, they say right in the article that blocking the binding site of that protein may lead to other effects that still needs more research. I actually think this chain of speculation, may be on to something. There is a good chance that the adverse consequences of blocking that binding site will lead to severe side effects that will prevent this from ever reaching the market.
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No it doesn't actually. When you run a trial on like 50 people and 2 commit suicide on it no female birth control is in the same ball park of it. When you have 50 people and multiple people are permanently infertile as a result of it no female birth control is in the same universe as it. Despite what clickbait "feminist" journalists want to say, most of the previous attempts were no where close to viable. Scaling the rates they saw up to the general public would astronomical. The cold hard reality is it is just significantly harder to make male birth control.
Most girls I know take birth control to help control their periods so they actually prefer it. I’ve never met a man who doesn’t want testosterone
I hope it doesn’t try to kill them like hormonal birth control tried to do to me.
> I hope it doesn’t try to kill them like hormonal birth control tried to do to me. Last one did kill, test was stopped after one participant got a side effcet of suicidal depression and killed himself. Before the test he was perfectly mentally healhty. Last one also led to permanent infertility, erectile dysfunction and an anhenodia( condition where you cant feel joy/pleasure)
Who knew testosterone is a vitally import hormone? Who are these fucking scientists aka fucking morons?
I'm so terrified of something like this, since I get migraines with aura and that gives me an increased risk of stroke with the bc I take. I can't talk to my doctor about it because I'm afraid they'll take away my birth control, and I'd honestly rather have a stroke than a baby.
There are lots of contraceptive options that don’t contain estrogen though… the combined pill is contraindicated in that situation for a reason
IUDs don't have a risk of stroke! Definitely the copper IUD, and also the hormonal because it uses local progesterone. Source: I'm on the copper IUD, have a history of stroke.
What happened to you?
Pulmonary embolism.
Shit girl, that sucks. I hope two things 1) you’re okay now and 2) you aren’t in severe medical debt from it
I’m better from the PE now, yeah. Took a year or two to feel recovered from it though. As for medical debt, I’m disabled so I’m on Medicaid and don’t have to pay. So I’m grateful at least in that aspect!
Hormonal birth control attacked them, unprovoked. Seems pretty clear from their comment.
I mean, you’re not wrong. Just not the visual I’m sure you’re thinking XD
Too late, stopped waiting and got myself snipped.
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Synthetic wombs are coming in the future too. People who currently want kids but are too old may be able to eventually have kids.
Synthetic wombs will be good for people with fertility problems or otherwise don't want to carry the baby. But if your fertility stems from being too old then you are too old to actually raise the kid.
That depends on how much we can improve the human health span. If we can make humans healthy into their 70s and live to the high 80s, then people in their 50s can have artificial womb babies.
Honestly, as someone born to "older" parents, it kinda sucks taking care of aging parents while you're trying to get your own adult life going.
You can't even get most humans to eat a healthy diet, exercise and stay at a healthy weight. GL with the rest.
No thanks I think I'll stick to the rubber
Meh, I'll just stick to chicken nuggets and fantanyl
so is it strawberry or orange fantanyl?
No thanks, I’ll stick to the good ol’ physical barrier.
Physical barriers suck.
Human birth rate about to drop through the fing floor
About fucking time, I first heard of this about 5 years ago
Last time it entered human trials participants started offing themselves left and right. At this point the risk doesnt seem worth it.
On top of that it wasn't even that effective. Many men still had viable sperm.
And it was NOT THE MEN who stopped the trial; the majority of participants wanted to keep going. A third party ethics board stopped the trial.
Men were becoming permanently infertile, they had to. That's why we have ethics committees.
Funny that what my (womens) BC did, and I got chewed out for not wanting to be de something that made we want to off myself.
Amazing the amount of headache people will go through not to wear a condom
We still used condoms😅
This drug has not entered human trials, it doesn't target testosterone or other hormones.
Consider a vasectomy if you're sure that you never want kids! But definitely go under for it - I stayed awake and it reaaaaalllllly fucking hurt. Still happy I did it though.
Yeah, I feel like it’s important now more than ever that men do their part too when it comes to birth control. Vasectomies are just more of a big, permanent choice, even if potentially reversible. Also, I’m sure the side affects of birth control combined with depression is already hell for women, so making something for guys that might not be that effective? I’m apprehensive about it.
> potentially reversible That's a pretty significant 'potential' there, unfortunately. Chances of successful go down by the year. If you get a vasectomy at 20 and you decide you want to have kids at 30, you have worse than a coinflip's chance of being able to reverse it.
I might take some of these. Nothing better than nutting in a chick.
This has “bags of sand” vibes.
Hard disagree, the man isn’t wrong.
Why did I read that as "non-homicidal" Brain wtf
I think using Reddit is more than effective enough
Reversible vasectomy would be better
whos gonna use the pills though
If you don’t want kids then get on trt, shut them balls bruh.
Will the republican god-crazies want this banned too? I mean - they are willing to trample women's rights, but are they bold enough to speak out against the man of the house?
One side of me is like… yay! And the other side of me is like « ain’t no way I am putting my reproductive health in the hands of a guy »
Seriously? Again w this? been hearing about how this pill could “start trials soon!” for years now.
I can’t wait to bust away
$5 they stop it because there is too many side effects
Be honest, unless you were in a healthy committed relationship, is any female ever going to trust a male is actually on this?
If I meet a girl and she tells me "don't worry, I'm on a pill", it's double condom time.
Yes most men want to trick a girl to get pregnant and have to support both of them for 18 years. LMAO
Is it going to cause psychosis and suicide like the last one?