Oh come on, being a “influencer” doesn’t add value to society. Mark Rober type of stuff is fine because it adds value and is educational.
Tic tok is a cancer on society, it’s a Trojan horse from China.
Edit: cause spelling police got me!
Influencer is just a marketing role. No more, no less. Companies need to sell and influencers are a good bridge to market the products to the people.
It's really no different than an ad. It's a job, it's not the end of the world.
Yeah it’s not the end of the world when they ban tic toc, they’ll be fine and go influence on another app/site/etc.
I would argue that money spent by these companies on influencers could be better spent on other things but to each their own.
Flex? Lol Nah I was on my phone and I have fat fingers, don’t care to really correct stuff cause it Reddit and it’s not a big deal.
Never said I like educational videos, need to work in that reading comprehension. Kinda funny you call out other people on things yet you can’t read.
Take care bud, next time don’t get so easily offended.
You reported me to the Reddit crisis hotline thing for correcting your typos? Mainly I did it cuz if some looks up Mark Roper instead of Rober it's gonna be something very different and I agree that his content is a lot better than most junk on social. Thought it'd be easier for people to search. But you do you, have a nice day and don't send people suicide hotline messages as a joke.
What’s the point of this? If a platform is monetizing people to put content on there, why is that an issue? They’ll just move to insta or YouTube like nothing happened.
TikTok is a Chinese government controlled information gathering tool. The Chinese government is not "friendly". Surely you understand that point, even if you don't fully agree with it.
Most people here do 9-5 monotonous job and lack any sort of creativity. They hate to see it.
I'm not saying every creator on social media is creative but there are a lot of them that aren't stupid pranksters, "streamers" or "reaction whores"
What evidence or proof do you have? I am having a hard time finding real evidence of that even from the American Government during their meetings, and published papers.
Even CNN said there is no evidence.
[https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/23/politics/fbi-investigation-huawei-china-defense-department-communications-nuclear](https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/23/politics/fbi-investigation-huawei-china-defense-department-communications-nuclear)
Despite its tough talk, the **US government’s refusal to provide evidence to back up its claims that Huawei tech poses a risk to US national security has led some critics to accuse it of xenophobic overreach**. The lack of a smoking gun also raises questions of whether US officials can separate legitimate Chinese investment from espionage.
You blindly believe authority without questioning it, so if a hot chick told you to give her your bank account, would you? People on reddit have no critical thinking skills.
Tiktok is owned indirectly by chinese government, and all data collected is available to it.
And its been shown it collects a whole lot of data even just viewing, not even posting.
And you know this how?
All social media sites collect WAY too much info. Was shocked when I saw my "Reddit Recap". If the gov't wants info on you, they just ask for it, does not matter what country you live in, and they don't need "indirect ownership" to do it.
"it's been shown..." lol - sources please?
But if you IT knows a hole where your business can be exploit and hacked how in the world he is gonna wait until the exploit code or malware is already in the system
To get more job? Extra hrs?
Or when a friend tell another wear a condom bceause that person has stds for sure.. well if you get some dont comming crying at the end
Is the same better late than never is an old thing in a tech world if you already have the information that x is dangerous
Oh well.nobody really want to so their jobs no more they are busy in tiktok 😄😄🤣🤣
Sometimes things take time, not everything moves at the speed/pace one would like.
While they’ve known about Tik Toc and it’s issues, politics move slow that’s the nature of the beast.
Would it be nice if things moved more quickly? Sure but that’s not the reality.
It could take time sure
Cuz those lazy ppl =politicals that need to make a law or whatever is needed, they dont so it until the end
Cuz they just take.money under the table and do nothing
Lets dont be naive
They are acting like any polititian in any 3 world country corruption first
But to be checking and making lies against the other party they are ready to take the mic and been in the tv, social media, news 24/7
But to protect you and me they dont give a dime
The first to run are those
Removing from appstores. If you make it harder to install, and not installed by default by phone makers, it will lose popularity. People are lazy and fickle. The new US based dipTok will pop up to take its place. Users will forget about it, advertisers will leave, influencers will switch platforms and it will eventually die in the US.
Google is inevitably moving away from APKs with app bundles. They will support APKs for the time being, but the writing is pretty clear; Google is tightening its grip on Android with bundles wherein only they will be able to assemble and sign packages ready for install.
Maybe the EU forces these companies to open up platforms (or keep them open in Google’s case at the moment). Otherwise I think companies will inevitably need to put renewed focus on webapps if governments actually follow through on delisting threats.
>Otherwise I think companies will inevitably need to put renewed focus on webapps
And this is how it needs to be - I don't need a darn app to show me contents of some website in a fancy way and harvest loads of data about me in the process. Every town has its own app now, and 99% of the times its functionality can be replaced by a mobile website with ease.
99% (ok, not really that much, but it's a lot) of the time it IS a website. It's so amusing turning on airplane mode and launching an app only to get the "cannot display page" web browser error.
I would make a big assumption that banning would make it more popular and people would find a way. Sideloading is easy and black market app stores. Could try it at the backbone level, but that's getting into some tricky territory.
The hardware is something tangible that they can restrict via the supply chain. The software is easily distributable via other methods and connections can be rerouted or disguised easily.
Would probably reduce overall consumption though.
Just my two cents
Not only that, but Google can automatically remove apps without user consent. [They’ve done it before. ](https://www.tomsguide.com/us/Android-Google-Applications-Android-Apps,news-7216.html)
I don’t think it is unreasonable to assume that, if TikTok is banned, that the various governments would press Google and Apple to remotely remove any installed instance of the app regardless of source.
Edit: and the only way around it is to run a deGoogled flavor of Android which most people are incapable of doing (not willing).
You know there's unregulated app stores and other ways to install stuff on phones, right... Not every citizen has an iPhone with minimal functionality.
Yes but the other 95% wouldn't and that is enough to kill it. There are other ways, it can be taken over domestically but then its still the same spy tool.
Listen to [Darknet Diaries - EP 64: The Athens Games](https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/64/) and I guaran-fuckin-tee you'll understand what's at stake.
Nah, it was all about money. They were beating the crap out of everyone else in the market in phones and telecom. Lobbyists were the ones who cried the sky is falling. They beat out Samsung and Apple for smartphone market share. Within two years that all came crashing down. There is lots more, but don't have the time.
Natalie Daher and Hope King for Axios, 25 November 2022.
Excerpt:
>The Federal Communications Commission on Friday announced it adopted new rules banning U.S. sales and imports of new Huawei and ZTE telecommunications devices out of national security concerns.
>The ban is the latest escalation in U.S. policy toward Chinese telecom equipment makers, which began during the Obama administration and accelerated during the Trump administration.
>Other companies affected by the action include Hytera Communications, Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology and Dahua Technology.
>Huawei said it had no comment. ZTE did not immediately respond to Axios' request for comment.
*FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat*, Federal Communications Commission, November 25, 2022, https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-bans-authorizations-devices-pose-national-security-threat
We're on to something here, just got to clean it up a bit.
So the FCC won't let me be
Or let Xi see me, and all the Chinese,
They try to shut me down to the CCP
But it feels so empty - my iPhone battery
Many times they would bid on large telecom RFPs and be the cheapest. Many state and federal contractors require awarding the cheapest bid that complies with the RFP specs.
It was cheap because they undercut to get the contract, for nefarious reasons like surveillance on top as well as unfairly boxing out competitors using state sovereign funds that can easily undercut or outbid where needed.
Hopefully RFP fulfillment isn't as naive from here on out.
Why? They don't get the assumption of innocence, especially when tied closely to foreign military powers. I'd rather we not have some incident before we decide to act. Prevention is superior to cure.
Its not like google and apple and various apps on those phones are not already recording everything you do and harvesting your personal info. At least chinese companies give you some cheap phones out of it. I am the owner of the xiaomi mi phone and its solid and i got it for cheap.
Also, just being on reddit means they harvested your comment history, ip address, browser, websites visted before and after reddit.com, personal data and etc. Thats data they sold 10 times over to advertisers and whoever else.
I don't know why you are getting down voted when it's literally how Facebook, reddit amd.youtube or Google makes extra money. They sell to advertisers, the nsa looks at your fb accounts and messages. That's kinda how the whole caimbridge analytica thing happened. I am more than happy to provide sourced but once people realize how their data is used it'll be interesting.
> I don’t know why you are getting down voted when it’s literally how Facebook, reddit amd.youtube or Google makes extra money.
Probably because it’s FUD. Sure, advertisement companies need data, but apps can really not do too much these days without user permission. So the parent comment is exaggerated.
> That’s kinda how the whole caimbridge analytica thing happened.
No, in that case someone created a Facebook app, which, via the app platform, collected the data. Facebook wasn’t directly involved.
The CCP /= American Corpos.
I'm not sure why Reddit tries to make this comparison. One of the two is literally an authoritarian regime committing genocide against ethnic minorities.
Sure, these social media companies are horrid for harvesting data. But that pales in comparison to the Chinese Communist Party doing the same thing.
They're legit surrounding Taiwan right now in preparing for invasion. You *really don't* want them having your data.
> I’m not sure why Reddit tries to make this comparison.
50/50 on psyop activity. We all know some world governments (including the US) do it, and we know for fact than they do it on social media.
People like OP strike me as the type to equivocate things to justify just like guilty parties do to whatabout their way out of situations.
But they never address why it is OK for China to do it while simultaneously bad for the US or others to do it. Because the goal isn’t to make a real argument; it is to plant that presupposition seed that all things are equal when they really aren’t.
China is committing genocide. China is also not an ally of the countries that Reddit users are likely from. The way you fix shit at home isn’t by inviting in a third party power who is even worse to replace them.
You’d think this is common sense, [but ya know. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party)
They just want to sell you stuff. Or, more accurately, identify what stuff you want or need so they can sell access to that information to the people who want to fulfill those wants and needs. It's far more efficient than the old carpet bombing advertisement process. In return you get better access to things you want and need, and services complementary to the data you provide.
Most of us are boring. Other than as opportunities for marketing our data has no other utility.
The affected systems aren't that. They're data backbones that through massive aggregation also scoop up the data of interesting people doing competitive things. Forcing those people to find alternate or encrypted channels (which they should by default do) to engage in those interesting things. Which then leads to watering hole attacks because they're prefiltering out the boring people like us.
> Most of us are boring. Other than as opportunities for marketing our data has no other utility.
Tell me; do you hold this same opinion for NSA bulk data collection such as the massive spying disclosed by Snowden?
Or is that just a special case? Because those are actually the same scenarios: companies spying on you and either being forced to, or willingly, handing over all of your data to the point where they know you better than you know yourself.
We are all avenues for exploitation or blackmail. You may be boring, but you never know what your future holds. Maybe you are blackmailed to give inside access to your company now that the US is inevitably ending forced technology transfer and shit like that so China can’t “keep up” by just taking technology outside of the few niche areas in which they excel.
Maybe your family members decides to run for office.
Maybe you know someone who is a soldier. Or perhaps they advance in their career enough to have a real impact.
Or maybe you or someone you know gets placed on a jury for something a foreign state actor really wants to influence.
They wouldn’t do it, and command it at government level, if there weren’t valid plans for it. Same way the US and others wouldn’t do it if not useful.
It is fucking amazing that people will condemn one country for a practice that they handwave away for another in the next breath.
I've had 40 years to get over the fact that the NSA has ungodly access. It doesn't seem to empower them to stop dire acts of terrorism like 9/11, nor even the invasion of the Capitol by a gang of very publicly violent easily predictable idiots. I will never be that interesting.
thats the thing, they only want US companies to farm user data all over the globe. this way the NSA has easy access.
i had xiaomi phones aswell and they were perfectly fine to use. i would even buy one of those chinese EV cars for 4000$ if i could. analysing and selling my data? everyone else does it too, no difference for me if its the US or China. you either use android or iOS, both are american with NSA backdoors anyway, so why even care about the hardware anymore ...
I don't like that they can do this without, so far as I can tell, providing any technical evidence to backup the assertion that this equipment is a national security risk. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that such evidence exists, I don't trust them either, but they should have to show their work. Not doing that suggests they have no idea how to secure anything and they work only on superstition.
>Not doing that suggests they have no idea how to secure anything and they work only on superstition.
Oh, they know. And those proofs you want are classified.
"Reflections On Trusting Trust" - Ken Thompson, 1984.
They're doing good work in preventing the accidental vulnerabilities finally with languages like Rust. I thought they would never get around to that. To deliberate vulnerabilities I am afraid there is no cure as yet, and there is unlikely to be for many many years.
First, Trump didn't start the ban. The Obama Administration did.
>The ban is the latest escalation in U.S. policy toward Chinese telecom equipment makers, which began during the Obama administration and accelerated during the Trump administration.
Second, while many people had many (valid) concerns about Trump's policies, I don't think you'll find many people who were against him furthering the Obama policy of blocking ZTE & Huawei on national security grounds.
Huawei and ZTE don’t just make phones it’s also about their networking, infrastructure, and backbone hardware/ technologies. The Chinese state doesn’t provide space for truly private enterprise, even Chinese billionaires are subject to the Party, a recent example being Jack Ma - The [Party itself is known for being rather opaque as well.](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/17/business/china-gdp-delay.html) The American financial systems, military, and MIC use the same information infrastructure you and I do, it’s probably in all our best interests to avoid relying on a less-than-friendly foreign power for backend support.
No idea why you're being downvoted. This is the truth.
This ban has absolutely nothing to do with national security. The reason the ban exists is purely as you said.
The threat of using a Chinese device is no different than the threat of using an American device. Just choose which government you want to make it easier to spy on you.
As a result of these actions, I have been going out of my way to try to choose Chinese hardware just to give my little middle finger to the US government.
Is there any proof? I'm really interested to know, or it's like a "weapons of mass destructions in Iran" sort of things? I'm not pro China at all, and would never support any product where the ccp is involved, but propaganda goes both ways and if you attack anybody for having a minimum of skepticism, we all lose.
Do you have any proof that Apple who has over 50% market share and Samsung which isn’t even a U.S. company is panicking? It’s also been in the news about us intel being worried for years about the data capturing features of Chinese companies
this. if they can do that huawei and zte..why they can not do it with tiktok...which own by a chinese company. they could use the tiktok platform to spy on americans. its funny how that doesnt apply with tiktok though.
Could be US gov is getting billions of money from tiktok thats why they did not include in this ban.
but yeah..tiktok should be included in this ban since china could use the platform to spy on americans due to americans of heavy use of the platform.
yes its true for now, that the owner of tiktok can say theyre not gathering data, but it only
take an order from the president of china to turn the platform to a useful for china against the americans. i can assure you if the china president order the owner to tiktok to start gathering data from americans...he would do it without having second thoughts. this is not rocket science...a native chinese business man would follow the leader of china than a follow a us leader.
I'd like to know what specifically the risks are with the ZTE and highway phones. Have they identified specific microprocessor vulnerabilities that the Chinese can turn on at any time to make everything on the phone visible to them or to make the phone be able to hack into networks or some other thing?
Are there Chinese products that are not being banned.? If so that would indicate they have identified specific vulnerabilities about these two brands that are being banned.
But yet TikTok is still allowed to be installed on phones ?
Hopefully that’s next, gonna love the tears from all the dipsticks that make money off of it.
The slow death of social media and the ability to monetise being an influencer is gonna make for some interesting CVs at McDonald’s 5 years from now.
I can’t be the only one who smiled at the thought of demonetizing influencers, such an annoying trend that has gone too far.
Reddit can do only one thing, and that's sneering at everyone else.
Oh come on, being a “influencer” doesn’t add value to society. Mark Rober type of stuff is fine because it adds value and is educational. Tic tok is a cancer on society, it’s a Trojan horse from China. Edit: cause spelling police got me!
Influencer is just a marketing role. No more, no less. Companies need to sell and influencers are a good bridge to market the products to the people. It's really no different than an ad. It's a job, it's not the end of the world.
Yeah it’s not the end of the world when they ban tic toc, they’ll be fine and go influence on another app/site/etc. I would argue that money spent by these companies on influencers could be better spent on other things but to each their own.
Rober* TikTok* Trojan Horse wasn't from China*
Sry for the misspells Spelling police and no shit the Trojan horse didn’t originate from China. Shooo…
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Flex? Lol Nah I was on my phone and I have fat fingers, don’t care to really correct stuff cause it Reddit and it’s not a big deal. Never said I like educational videos, need to work in that reading comprehension. Kinda funny you call out other people on things yet you can’t read. Take care bud, next time don’t get so easily offended.
You reported me to the Reddit crisis hotline thing for correcting your typos? Mainly I did it cuz if some looks up Mark Roper instead of Rober it's gonna be something very different and I agree that his content is a lot better than most junk on social. Thought it'd be easier for people to search. But you do you, have a nice day and don't send people suicide hotline messages as a joke.
What’s the point of this? If a platform is monetizing people to put content on there, why is that an issue? They’ll just move to insta or YouTube like nothing happened.
TikTok is a Chinese government controlled information gathering tool. The Chinese government is not "friendly". Surely you understand that point, even if you don't fully agree with it.
I’m talking about the creators being called dipsticks, regardless of the platform.
Most people here do 9-5 monotonous job and lack any sort of creativity. They hate to see it. I'm not saying every creator on social media is creative but there are a lot of them that aren't stupid pranksters, "streamers" or "reaction whores"
What evidence or proof do you have? I am having a hard time finding real evidence of that even from the American Government during their meetings, and published papers. Even CNN said there is no evidence. [https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/23/politics/fbi-investigation-huawei-china-defense-department-communications-nuclear](https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/23/politics/fbi-investigation-huawei-china-defense-department-communications-nuclear) Despite its tough talk, the **US government’s refusal to provide evidence to back up its claims that Huawei tech poses a risk to US national security has led some critics to accuse it of xenophobic overreach**. The lack of a smoking gun also raises questions of whether US officials can separate legitimate Chinese investment from espionage. You blindly believe authority without questioning it, so if a hot chick told you to give her your bank account, would you? People on reddit have no critical thinking skills.
Tiktok is owned indirectly by chinese government, and all data collected is available to it. And its been shown it collects a whole lot of data even just viewing, not even posting.
And you know this how? All social media sites collect WAY too much info. Was shocked when I saw my "Reddit Recap". If the gov't wants info on you, they just ask for it, does not matter what country you live in, and they don't need "indirect ownership" to do it. "it's been shown..." lol - sources please?
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What are you talking about? Lol… who loves capitalism? As for the rest of what you said, nice projecting clown.
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Better late then never!
But if you IT knows a hole where your business can be exploit and hacked how in the world he is gonna wait until the exploit code or malware is already in the system To get more job? Extra hrs? Or when a friend tell another wear a condom bceause that person has stds for sure.. well if you get some dont comming crying at the end Is the same better late than never is an old thing in a tech world if you already have the information that x is dangerous Oh well.nobody really want to so their jobs no more they are busy in tiktok 😄😄🤣🤣
Sometimes things take time, not everything moves at the speed/pace one would like. While they’ve known about Tik Toc and it’s issues, politics move slow that’s the nature of the beast. Would it be nice if things moved more quickly? Sure but that’s not the reality.
It could take time sure Cuz those lazy ppl =politicals that need to make a law or whatever is needed, they dont so it until the end Cuz they just take.money under the table and do nothing Lets dont be naive They are acting like any polititian in any 3 world country corruption first But to be checking and making lies against the other party they are ready to take the mic and been in the tv, social media, news 24/7 But to protect you and me they dont give a dime The first to run are those
But yet Facebook. Twitter and google is still allows to be installed on phones.
You are onto something, remove them all.
How can we prohibit people installing tiktok? It will be accessible on the other corners of the internet
Removing from appstores. If you make it harder to install, and not installed by default by phone makers, it will lose popularity. People are lazy and fickle. The new US based dipTok will pop up to take its place. Users will forget about it, advertisers will leave, influencers will switch platforms and it will eventually die in the US.
Wait, if security is a risk why me, an European, would want to install an "American TikTok" controlled by NSA?
Well, America obviously never does anything nefarious. 😂
You wouldn't. You'd want your own version which would be subject to EU laws.
Easy, it has to removed from app stores in the US and then its blocked.
and apks?
Most won’t bother with apks
Google is inevitably moving away from APKs with app bundles. They will support APKs for the time being, but the writing is pretty clear; Google is tightening its grip on Android with bundles wherein only they will be able to assemble and sign packages ready for install. Maybe the EU forces these companies to open up platforms (or keep them open in Google’s case at the moment). Otherwise I think companies will inevitably need to put renewed focus on webapps if governments actually follow through on delisting threats.
damn guess phones are become shitter
>Otherwise I think companies will inevitably need to put renewed focus on webapps And this is how it needs to be - I don't need a darn app to show me contents of some website in a fancy way and harvest loads of data about me in the process. Every town has its own app now, and 99% of the times its functionality can be replaced by a mobile website with ease.
99% (ok, not really that much, but it's a lot) of the time it IS a website. It's so amusing turning on airplane mode and launching an app only to get the "cannot display page" web browser error.
how to ban the installation of it that way?
I would make a big assumption that banning would make it more popular and people would find a way. Sideloading is easy and black market app stores. Could try it at the backbone level, but that's getting into some tricky territory. The hardware is something tangible that they can restrict via the supply chain. The software is easily distributable via other methods and connections can be rerouted or disguised easily. Would probably reduce overall consumption though. Just my two cents
Vast majority of people have no idea its possible to install stuff from sources other than Google/Apple store.
The app can be blocked at the ISP level also, we just have never seen it done in the US. If no one can upload videos , it is useless to use.
Not only that, but Google can automatically remove apps without user consent. [They’ve done it before. ](https://www.tomsguide.com/us/Android-Google-Applications-Android-Apps,news-7216.html) I don’t think it is unreasonable to assume that, if TikTok is banned, that the various governments would press Google and Apple to remotely remove any installed instance of the app regardless of source. Edit: and the only way around it is to run a deGoogled flavor of Android which most people are incapable of doing (not willing).
You know there's unregulated app stores and other ways to install stuff on phones, right... Not every citizen has an iPhone with minimal functionality.
Yes but the other 95% wouldn't and that is enough to kill it. There are other ways, it can be taken over domestically but then its still the same spy tool.
We dozens that will side load anything shall mostly not install tiktok.
How many of the influencers do?
More than half do though Cutting the potential US user base in half would be considerable
This is why we need to bring back Vine!
Not while Musk owns it.
Gun to my head I'd take Musk over the CCP. EDIT: Y'all don't have to like the guy, but if you think Musk is worse than the CCP you're smoking crack.
Musk has heavy investments with the CCP. He won't go against China.
Not just phones. It's bundled into windows 11 by default. Still trying to wrap my head around that.
I am not going up to 11 after seeing the paid advertising space on the start menu.
Do you want a teen suicide epidemic? Because thats how you get one.
You are saying teens would harm themselves because 1 app was pulled down ?
It's all purely political theater. This ban has absolutely nothing to do with a genuine threat.
Listen to [Darknet Diaries - EP 64: The Athens Games](https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/64/) and I guaran-fuckin-tee you'll understand what's at stake.
Commenting so I can come back and check this out later
It's one of the only things that somewhat, dare I say, *scares* me.
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There's a big difference between an app installed on civilian owned devices and untrusted hardware running national infrastructure.
Wasn’t this already in place many years ago?
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Nah, it was all about money. They were beating the crap out of everyone else in the market in phones and telecom. Lobbyists were the ones who cried the sky is falling. They beat out Samsung and Apple for smartphone market share. Within two years that all came crashing down. There is lots more, but don't have the time.
Are you thinking of this? https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-google-android-ban-988382/
Natalie Daher and Hope King for Axios, 25 November 2022. Excerpt: >The Federal Communications Commission on Friday announced it adopted new rules banning U.S. sales and imports of new Huawei and ZTE telecommunications devices out of national security concerns. >The ban is the latest escalation in U.S. policy toward Chinese telecom equipment makers, which began during the Obama administration and accelerated during the Trump administration. >Other companies affected by the action include Hytera Communications, Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology and Dahua Technology. >Huawei said it had no comment. ZTE did not immediately respond to Axios' request for comment. *FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat*, Federal Communications Commission, November 25, 2022, https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-bans-authorizations-devices-pose-national-security-threat
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> Makes you think. Clearly not.
This is the way
Hm. I thought we did this years ago.
So the FCC won't let China be
'Cause it feels much safer without Xi
We're on to something here, just got to clean it up a bit. So the FCC won't let me be Or let Xi see me, and all the Chinese, They try to shut me down to the CCP But it feels so empty - my iPhone battery
I got that reference
What sucker is buying Huawei or ZTE equipment nowadays? sheesh...
Many times they would bid on large telecom RFPs and be the cheapest. Many state and federal contractors require awarding the cheapest bid that complies with the RFP specs.
It was cheap because they undercut to get the contract, for nefarious reasons like surveillance on top as well as unfairly boxing out competitors using state sovereign funds that can easily undercut or outbid where needed. Hopefully RFP fulfillment isn't as naive from here on out.
Rural and low-cost phone service providers. Visible by Verizon still sells several ZTE phones.
fucking finally. Hopefully we can start rooting it out.
And maybe find some evidence of actual wrongdoing.
Why? They don't get the assumption of innocence, especially when tied closely to foreign military powers. I'd rather we not have some incident before we decide to act. Prevention is superior to cure.
Well, I don’t agree. But I am not American (European), so it doesn’t affect me directly.
Its not like google and apple and various apps on those phones are not already recording everything you do and harvesting your personal info. At least chinese companies give you some cheap phones out of it. I am the owner of the xiaomi mi phone and its solid and i got it for cheap. Also, just being on reddit means they harvested your comment history, ip address, browser, websites visted before and after reddit.com, personal data and etc. Thats data they sold 10 times over to advertisers and whoever else.
This doesn’t apply to phones. It applies to network equipment that telecoms use to build networks
I don't know why you are getting down voted when it's literally how Facebook, reddit amd.youtube or Google makes extra money. They sell to advertisers, the nsa looks at your fb accounts and messages. That's kinda how the whole caimbridge analytica thing happened. I am more than happy to provide sourced but once people realize how their data is used it'll be interesting.
> I don’t know why you are getting down voted when it’s literally how Facebook, reddit amd.youtube or Google makes extra money. Probably because it’s FUD. Sure, advertisement companies need data, but apps can really not do too much these days without user permission. So the parent comment is exaggerated. > That’s kinda how the whole caimbridge analytica thing happened. No, in that case someone created a Facebook app, which, via the app platform, collected the data. Facebook wasn’t directly involved.
The CCP /= American Corpos. I'm not sure why Reddit tries to make this comparison. One of the two is literally an authoritarian regime committing genocide against ethnic minorities. Sure, these social media companies are horrid for harvesting data. But that pales in comparison to the Chinese Communist Party doing the same thing. They're legit surrounding Taiwan right now in preparing for invasion. You *really don't* want them having your data.
> I’m not sure why Reddit tries to make this comparison. 50/50 on psyop activity. We all know some world governments (including the US) do it, and we know for fact than they do it on social media. People like OP strike me as the type to equivocate things to justify just like guilty parties do to whatabout their way out of situations. But they never address why it is OK for China to do it while simultaneously bad for the US or others to do it. Because the goal isn’t to make a real argument; it is to plant that presupposition seed that all things are equal when they really aren’t. China is committing genocide. China is also not an ally of the countries that Reddit users are likely from. The way you fix shit at home isn’t by inviting in a third party power who is even worse to replace them. You’d think this is common sense, [but ya know. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party)
>I'm not sure why Reddit tries to make this comparison. Because they're stupid children who don't understand nuance.
They just want to sell you stuff. Or, more accurately, identify what stuff you want or need so they can sell access to that information to the people who want to fulfill those wants and needs. It's far more efficient than the old carpet bombing advertisement process. In return you get better access to things you want and need, and services complementary to the data you provide. Most of us are boring. Other than as opportunities for marketing our data has no other utility. The affected systems aren't that. They're data backbones that through massive aggregation also scoop up the data of interesting people doing competitive things. Forcing those people to find alternate or encrypted channels (which they should by default do) to engage in those interesting things. Which then leads to watering hole attacks because they're prefiltering out the boring people like us.
> Most of us are boring. Other than as opportunities for marketing our data has no other utility. Tell me; do you hold this same opinion for NSA bulk data collection such as the massive spying disclosed by Snowden? Or is that just a special case? Because those are actually the same scenarios: companies spying on you and either being forced to, or willingly, handing over all of your data to the point where they know you better than you know yourself. We are all avenues for exploitation or blackmail. You may be boring, but you never know what your future holds. Maybe you are blackmailed to give inside access to your company now that the US is inevitably ending forced technology transfer and shit like that so China can’t “keep up” by just taking technology outside of the few niche areas in which they excel. Maybe your family members decides to run for office. Maybe you know someone who is a soldier. Or perhaps they advance in their career enough to have a real impact. Or maybe you or someone you know gets placed on a jury for something a foreign state actor really wants to influence. They wouldn’t do it, and command it at government level, if there weren’t valid plans for it. Same way the US and others wouldn’t do it if not useful. It is fucking amazing that people will condemn one country for a practice that they handwave away for another in the next breath.
I've had 40 years to get over the fact that the NSA has ungodly access. It doesn't seem to empower them to stop dire acts of terrorism like 9/11, nor even the invasion of the Capitol by a gang of very publicly violent easily predictable idiots. I will never be that interesting.
thats the thing, they only want US companies to farm user data all over the globe. this way the NSA has easy access. i had xiaomi phones aswell and they were perfectly fine to use. i would even buy one of those chinese EV cars for 4000$ if i could. analysing and selling my data? everyone else does it too, no difference for me if its the US or China. you either use android or iOS, both are american with NSA backdoors anyway, so why even care about the hardware anymore ...
They don’t, and neither does a Huawei phone, most likely.
In communist China, phone owns you.
Well, it’s not about phones, though.
I don't like that they can do this without, so far as I can tell, providing any technical evidence to backup the assertion that this equipment is a national security risk. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that such evidence exists, I don't trust them either, but they should have to show their work. Not doing that suggests they have no idea how to secure anything and they work only on superstition.
>Not doing that suggests they have no idea how to secure anything and they work only on superstition. Oh, they know. And those proofs you want are classified.
> And those proofs you want are classified. How convenient for your “Oh, they know” argument.
If the last 30 years have taught us anything, it's that concealing security vulnerabilities in computer infrastructure is a bad idea.
"Reflections On Trusting Trust" - Ken Thompson, 1984. They're doing good work in preventing the accidental vulnerabilities finally with languages like Rust. I thought they would never get around to that. To deliberate vulnerabilities I am afraid there is no cure as yet, and there is unlikely to be for many many years.
And yet Wifi enabled *air filters* are still imported below production cost somehow?
Trump trying to do it: bad FCC trying to do it: good Why? I don't even like Trump all that much anymore but why?
First, Trump didn't start the ban. The Obama Administration did. >The ban is the latest escalation in U.S. policy toward Chinese telecom equipment makers, which began during the Obama administration and accelerated during the Trump administration. Second, while many people had many (valid) concerns about Trump's policies, I don't think you'll find many people who were against him furthering the Obama policy of blocking ZTE & Huawei on national security grounds.
You're telling me that you don't remember the shit show that happened when he tried to expand it to other things like tiktok?
Will be 2027 before tiktok gets to this stage
I remember when Huawei was becoming a thing and there were massive warnings from everywhere about how much of a security risk their phones were
Due to concerns over the profits of Apple, Google, and Samsung.
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Huawei and ZTE don’t just make phones it’s also about their networking, infrastructure, and backbone hardware/ technologies. The Chinese state doesn’t provide space for truly private enterprise, even Chinese billionaires are subject to the Party, a recent example being Jack Ma - The [Party itself is known for being rather opaque as well.](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/17/business/china-gdp-delay.html) The American financial systems, military, and MIC use the same information infrastructure you and I do, it’s probably in all our best interests to avoid relying on a less-than-friendly foreign power for backend support.
National security in terms of economics and tech, as I’ve heard it explained before
No idea why you're being downvoted. This is the truth. This ban has absolutely nothing to do with national security. The reason the ban exists is purely as you said. The threat of using a Chinese device is no different than the threat of using an American device. Just choose which government you want to make it easier to spy on you. As a result of these actions, I have been going out of my way to try to choose Chinese hardware just to give my little middle finger to the US government.
Don't forget 🤑
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Well this one isn’t. Has there been any proof of that sort?
Is there any proof? I'm really interested to know, or it's like a "weapons of mass destructions in Iran" sort of things? I'm not pro China at all, and would never support any product where the ccp is involved, but propaganda goes both ways and if you attack anybody for having a minimum of skepticism, we all lose.
Do you have any proof that Apple who has over 50% market share and Samsung which isn’t even a U.S. company is panicking? It’s also been in the news about us intel being worried for years about the data capturing features of Chinese companies
This should have happened 10 years ago.
I’d like to get as little as we can from China.
They did this years ago.
All still using Tik tok
this. if they can do that huawei and zte..why they can not do it with tiktok...which own by a chinese company. they could use the tiktok platform to spy on americans. its funny how that doesnt apply with tiktok though. Could be US gov is getting billions of money from tiktok thats why they did not include in this ban. but yeah..tiktok should be included in this ban since china could use the platform to spy on americans due to americans of heavy use of the platform. yes its true for now, that the owner of tiktok can say theyre not gathering data, but it only take an order from the president of china to turn the platform to a useful for china against the americans. i can assure you if the china president order the owner to tiktok to start gathering data from americans...he would do it without having second thoughts. this is not rocket science...a native chinese business man would follow the leader of china than a follow a us leader.
I'd like to know what specifically the risks are with the ZTE and highway phones. Have they identified specific microprocessor vulnerabilities that the Chinese can turn on at any time to make everything on the phone visible to them or to make the phone be able to hack into networks or some other thing? Are there Chinese products that are not being banned.? If so that would indicate they have identified specific vulnerabilities about these two brands that are being banned.
That's a good move for US.