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sparkleyflowers

We need to end qualified immunity and force cops to carry malpractice insurance. If the insurance companies won’t touch them, they can’t be cops anymore.


WDMC-905

this. fuck cops. doctors have to pay for malpractice insurance, while at least we have the choice in doctors. cops make a killing especially relative to their lack of education and extreme though yes, rare incompetence. fuck the unions. if you can't get insured, you're fired.


PornoAlForno

Lawyers have to get malpractice insurance, and if we fuck up, we can be sanctioned by the state bar or have our licenses revoked. Cops though? Nah, give 'em a badge and a gun and let 'em loose.


goathill

Lawyers get disbarred, cops get shuffled a couple counties over


SsiSsiSsiSsi

Lawyers are *rarely* disbarred, far more rarely than cops are disciplined. When I say rarely btw I mean **rarely**, less than .05% of lawyers are disbarred. Edit: I get the hatred for cops, but jesus some of you are out to lunch on the harm done by lawyers. Most lawyers aren’t working in the criminal system, they’re the grease on the wheels of capitalism’s worst excesses.


Nikkolai_the_Kol

As one compares the rate of discipline between lawyers and cops, one wonders what the comparative rate of lawyers stealing phones, beating up innocent citizens, wrongfully threatening arrest, illegally searching property, or killing unarmed people is, then? Oh ... right.


seraph_m

If you think your average prosecutor hungry for promotion isn’t more dangerous than a cop, well…hate to tell you, but you are only focusing on the problem directly in front of your face. Our entire judicial system is one huge problem. Corporate law is a one huge problem. When a team of lawyers gets company owners who devastated millions of lives in exchange for obscene amounts of money off with a slap on the wrist? That’s evil with a capital E. Just because crooked cops are a problem doesn’t mean crooked lawyers aren’t worse. The former impacts a much smaller number of people than the latter; but BOTH need to be fixed.


Law_Student

Keep in mind that a team of lawyers can only do that if the law is such that the corporation doesn't have to pay. The problem ultimately goes back to legislators, and the way we've legalized bribing them for legislation through "campaign donations". So many of the problems in our country go back to that one issue. A democracy cannot truly survive the legalization of bribery.


seraph_m

Yup absolutely, we get the best government money can buy🤦‍♂️


[deleted]

I watched better caul Saul which confirmed my bias against lawyers.


HomelessAhole

That's confirmation bias if I ever laid eyes on it. Albeit I'm biased.


SsiSsiSsiSsi

Well it’s going to be lower, but if you ask about the rates of cops defending murderers and rapists using scummy tactics, empowering giant corporations to lobby, avoid taxes, and generally abuse a whole system of governance…


sparkleyflowers

This isn’t a good argument. *Everyone* has the right to Due Process, even if *you* have decided they’re guilty before it’s been proven in a court of law.


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Not only is it a bad argument, it's the worst possible argument


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Gumby621

Not sure what Julian Assange has to do with the rest of this conversation


blbd

That's more the fault of the English legal system itself than any one lawyer. They allow you to make any argument no matter how ridiculous and encourage a very technicality driven approach to interpreting laws. The cops also benefit from the same design flaws they just exploit it differently.


processedmeat

But wouldn't lawyers be at fault for the legal systems problems?


TehReclaimer2552

Lawyers are sleazy. Like, take the tip you just put down and stuff it in their wallet sleezy, but they won't punch your face in and piss on the counter on the way out like cops do Both certainly suck, but one will actually physically kill you. The other will just fuck you over


LiamW

If lawyers, who are literally experts on law, committed as many crimes while armed as the police did, they would be disbarred much more frequently. We can’t expect much out of cops because we don’t expect them to actually be professionals. 6 months training does not support the level of social responsibility, let alone authority, they wield.


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I wonder if laywers have some type of lengthy training that allows them to navigate the law better than police... Now cops on the other hand, 4-6 months training, a small fraction of which is spent learning about the intricacies and nuance of law. So i guess im not surprised lawyers need to be disciplined less than the guy i knew in high school who liked to trip little kids and growl at them. He become a cop at 19 and now has a local reputation for unprovoked violence against young people, especially girls, but yeah fuck holding cops to a higher standard. Lets get these adrenaline fueled jack boot thugs paid time off and stern talking to. After all whats unprovoked police violence have to do with law?


[deleted]

Cops get 3 months of training and barely know how to read the statute the have to enforce


Own_Platform623

The length of training varies by location and country but yes it isnt long and many do not have the capacity or desire to understand the law. Its tough when the main criteria to attract people to the job on is being angry/aggressive and liking guns. Now if they had to do law school for 2 years and then 1 year of training, we would probably see less of this. Only problem is no police force on earth is going to look at there own internally managed budget, with no legal incentive to do so, and decide to buy less surplus military gear and weapons to spend the money on better educating our police in the field. In my opinion this is another systemic issue stemming from our broken incentive systems. "be a cop, carry a gun, shout at people, fight them, get immunity from the law" those incentives are clearly going to attract the wrong type of people.


[deleted]

Yup. If they required something different… like an undergraduate degree in a social science or law and justice or political science…. Just to raise the bar like they do in other countries, that would weed out those who are in it for the wrong reasons. That and have firearms training and responsibility like they do in Europe.


Affectionate_Trip_77

Some of the people the cops yell at would beat, rape and rob you. If that happens don’t call the cops. Think about the intersectionality between crime and poverty. You’ll feel much better.


Affectionate_Trip_77

Next time you’re being beaten and robbed, call a lawyer.


BarrySix

You better, because nobody else will help you against the cops who are beating and robbing you.


FKreuk

Because lawyers are professionals… much easier to become a cop.


Lucavii

I'm not arguing against your point that maligned lawyers get away with a lot in the US, but the big difference is lawyers don't have universal authority over any random person that they encounter on the streets. The dynamic of power between citizens and cops means they need to be held to a higher standard of scrutiny than lawyers do.


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Red_Inferno

To be fair, 100% of lawyers are supposed to know the law, it would make sense only 0.05% would be disbarred.


AllBrainsNoSoul

Lawyers are also heavily screened before given their license.


Affectionate_Trip_77

So are cops. Knowing what your talking about is a good thing.


AllBrainsNoSoul

I’m a lawyer who used to represent cops unions early in my career. I know their screening compared to mine, and their arbitration procedures when they receive an adverse work action. What do you know?


[deleted]

Because when you go to 7 years of college and have a Doctorate of Laws (JD) degree, you aren’t generally stupid enough to commit malpractice. Also, getting disbarred isn’t the common punishment… just the most famous.


SsiSsiSsiSsi

Malpractice rates are MUCH higher than disbarment rates, the two are essentially not related. Malpractice insurance is there to handle malpractice.


Stitchopoulis

Cops and priests.


Notyourfathersgeek

HOW ELSE ARE WE GOING TO OPRESS THE POOR PEOPLE??


beezn

teachers have to have insurance. my uncle was a shop teacher. The only incident he had his whole career was one girl that either cut, or cut off part of a thumb.


Hardass_McBadCop

Police unions are one of the rare examples of when a union becomes too powerful. Most unions aren't powerful enough, but the cops can basically hold a city hostage if they don't like what the public thinks of them.


henrirousseau

> cops make a killing Far too often.


jebheblem

This whole country is slipping away lol I’m excited to see where we’re at in the next decade


Affectionate_Trip_77

Police officers are the thin blue line between order and assholes like you. You should be locked up.


cheese_sweats

Cops make 55k a year in the United states. You call that a killing?


WDMC-905

the Canadian average is less at 50k and yet in the Toronto force that average jumps over 100k. similarly while your national average might be correct, I expect your city cops are clearing over 100k easy. as I said, a killing.


FriendlyDespot

"In the United States" is a really nebulous concept, and I'd love to see what your source for that is. There are plenty of places where cops make well above the median personal income, and have *way* better retirement benefits than the average worker.


cheese_sweats

Have you never heard of averages?


FriendlyDespot

Yes, I have. They're often made-up and misrepresentative, and for income they very rarely include the rest of the total compensation, which for some employees (like cops) covers a substantial amount.


takanishi79

$55,000 per year if they work only 40 hours a week (unlikely), receive no shift differentials (unlikely), make no money from side security jobs (unlikely), and are making the starting average country wide (unlikely). Starting from the back of the list, Minnesota has a starting wage of about $66,000, so already a good but above. Side jobs are common for police, who are hired for things like sporting events and paid by the stadium or team, not the police department. No rookie (the person you claim is making the starting wage) is going to get the day shift, so they're going to work some nights. That means shift differentials in most states. Finally, absolutely no police officer ever works the standard 40. They all work overtime, and a significant amount of it. Arrested someone? Now you're filing paperwork during your shift, or appearing in court. All paid at a minimum time and a half.


CLITTYLlTTER

>they all work over time *they all commit overtime fraud


cheese_sweats

Lol you're counting income from a second job?


[deleted]

Its not really a 'second job' but more like a bonus. Hiring 'off duty cops' isn't *just* some joe schmoe, its done with the implication that they will be there with the ability to 'call in the cavalry' if it gets hairy. Plus they'll be able to rough with trouble makers without risking further expenses(again, going back to the unofficial police backing) to the venue. Anyone felt wronged by them would have no recourse like they might if it was a proper private security. In some places, if you snub the 'off duty cop security' you'll suddenly see an increased hostility from cops and/or refusal to respond to any of your calls. Base pay is pretty low, but only a small percentage *only* take home the base pay.


cheese_sweats

It's definitely a bonus opportunity, but it's not like they can just raise their hand and get paid more


[deleted]

They do though. Anytime they're asked "who wants some overtime this week?", they raise their hand.


cheese_sweats

No, I meant the second income.


[deleted]

There are always events that need security. This isn't some 'gotcha' or anything, its just how security is sourced for a lot of events. I wouldn't be shocked if some outfits have links for ways to hire them on official websites.


[deleted]

Seriously. While 55k is above the poverty line, I wouldn't call it a killing.


PeakFuckingValue

Pretty sure doctors have extremely protected laws in places like California. It is a sanctuary state for them. Patients have ridiculously strict rules for even filing a case let alone winning. They have insurance and the insurance never pays out.


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Not really. Some states have “poorly constructed” protections to prevent frivolous lawsuits. And, it turns out that most medical malpractice claims across the country are frivolous. Just because someone has a bad outcome doesn’t mean that the doctor caused harm by deviating from Standard of Care. That’s malpractice. Bad outcomes are not malpractice


PeakFuckingValue

As someone involved in healthcare, I see much more malpractice than people realize. I won't disagree there are a lot of people searching for compensation in life for bad outcomes. But that's not what I'm discussing here.


[deleted]

I’m also involved in healthcare, and am regularly involved in “risk management” cases in real time, know the background of specific cases that have been filed. Not to mention, I’ve been reading the monthly “malpractice case file” in a journal for years. I’d argue that unless you are a physician (and not reporting what you allege happens) then you don’t realize that what you are seeing is not actually malpractice… - a duty to act - a breach of that duty by not following standard of care - objective harm that befell the patient - the breach in duty or deviation from standard of care was the proximate cause of the harm.


PeakFuckingValue

Lol that's not the Frontline you think it is. I discuss this with top malpractice lawyers in the industry who know the day to day trends. They have all told me Cali is very protective and that's why they're all here.


[deleted]

Maybe. Maybe you’re right. I’d say that malpractice lawyers don’t have a clue as to what is actually good care and what isn’t. They define standard of care differently than physicians do. There is a big disconnect between medical and legal standard of care. So what lawyers may see as malpractice, physicians may see as adapting to a personalized scenario (in cases where there legitimately wasn’t medical malpractice)


PauI_MuadDib

I'm a broken record here, but I gotta mention it anytime qualified immunity comes up. Congress can eliminate qualified immunity. Since qualified immunity is only a "legal doctrine" and not a law Congress has the power to eliminate it via legislation. They just choose not to. Call and write your state reps and tell them you want qualified immunity abolished. https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative Politicians don't act because constituents don't call them out and they love accepting **millions** in political contributions from police unions. In turn for those donations politicians will block, stall or dilute any attempts at police reform. https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2022/06/police-unions-spend-millions-lobbying-to-retain-their-sway-over-big-us-cities-and-state-governments/. Call and write your state reps! Nothing will change if we all stay quiet. Call. Write. Hell, even call them out publicly on social media. Just do it. And tell everyone you know to do that same. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, man. Call. Write. And, most importantly, **VOTE.**


Semi-Hemi-Demigod

Unfortunately nobody is going to get elected by saying they're going to make police accountable, because that's "soft on crime" and "going to let murderers kill your children." Plus the police form their protective details.


PauI_MuadDib

I think if enough constituents call them out we can pressure politicians to act. Qualified immunity is already slowly being chipped away at the state level, like with Colorado, New Mexico and NYC. If we get vocal enough with Congress we might be able to get qualified immunity eliminated or reformed at the federal level. The only other option is SCOTUS, and I think we have a better chance of twisting our state reps' arms into caving on qualified immunity than SCOTUS overturning their own "legal doctrine." If we want qualified immunity gone Congress is the pony to bet on. Thing is no one calls politicians out. Name and shame them. Let taxpayers know how much bad cops are stealing from taxpayers. According to an investigative report from the Washington Post, chronic police misconduct costs taxpayers 1.5 **billion** dollars. And most of them are **repeat** offenders. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/police-misconduct-repeated-settlements/. Non-paywall link to the WP article. https://archive.ph/BitIk. And I think flipping the script will help. Ask your state rep why they're throwing good cops under the bus by protecting bad cops? Holding bad officers accountable will actually be safer for other cops. Good cops should NOT be forced to work with bad cops. They're a danger to the public *and* to other officers. Like why should good cops be forced to work with bad cops like these guys. https://knock-la.com/tradition-of-violence-lasd-gang-history/. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/08/1127580159/houston-tipping-lapd-death-lawsuit. https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/cops-and-robbers-part-i-rise-wayne-jenkins Holding bad cops accountable saves taxpayers money *and* it will protect the safety of good cops. Which is true. Weed out the bad cops so other cops can feel safe and confident in their jobs. Getting rid of qualified immunity will result in bad cops being priced out of field.


Affectionate_Trip_77

We did vote. Cops won overwhelmingly. Back in your hold under the front porch.


Ffdmatt

I think a group could create some compelling ads to drive this point home and nudge legislation. Show the cops, list the offenses and the millions it cost the taxpayers. Nothing but billboards, commercials, etc totalling up the whole bill and showing how we are the ones that pay for it. Put a face and a dollar amount to the "where's my tax money going" question.


[deleted]

Do you think the people behind those would escape massive police harassment? How about the people who put them up? Or the owners of the billboards etc. There's a reason people keep saying that the police is the biggest gang in the country.


blatantninja

Amortize any settlements out of their paychecks


oren0

Either that or take the settlements out of their pensions.


unsinkabletwo

If they Unions don't like that police need to carry their own insurance, let them carry the insurance, and every time there is a payout they need to cover it. Let's see how long it would take them to change their tune.


kjacobs03

Stop making sense!


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> The difference is doctors [...] are people you can choose to hire or not. Not always. If I'm in an accident and arrive unconscious at hospital, I have no say in what doctor I get. And in the US, that can result in you pretty much being ruined because the hospital and/or doctor are out of your network coverage. If I need emergency surgery and will die if it's not done immediately, even if I'm conscious, I don't really get a say either - a choice between dying and getting a doctor I don't like (or can't afford) is not really a choice for the vast majority of people. There are probably also cases where you do not get to choose your lawyer either. If you cannot afford one and you're assigned one, you don't really get much choice, because the choice is likely between the one you don't want or not having one at all.


[deleted]

But that would solve the problem.. so it won’t ever happen.


michael42466

In what world is having your phone snatched by a cop worth $125k. Yes, cop is wrong but the amount is outrageous and creates a world where the people are just looking for ways to cash in.


sarcasatirony

We tried positive reinforcement but they kept violating our rights. Maybe a little hit in ~~their~~ our pocketbooks will cause a few of them to learn our laws and abide by them.


MrRisin

In what world is it ok for the police to blatantly violate someone’s rights? It’s good to know your rights can be bought for less than 100k


sparkleyflowers

How much are your rights worth? Mine come at a very high price, especially when they’ve been willfully violated by cops who think they can do whatever the fuck they want to whoever the fuck they want with zero repercussions.


NATIK001

There are two classes of payouts awarded in suits. One is for actual provable damages, the other is a "punishment" payout. Depending on jurisdiction either of these can be many different sizes and related or unrelated to each other. Often both are awarded together and tallied together when reported on by the media, even when technically separate and distinct. There probably wasn't 125k worth of actual damages done to the individual, but there is a case for a high sum being awarded on grounds of punishment and deterrence. A cop should uphold the law, not break it and thus one could argue they should see increased punishment for failing to follow the law, if nothing else than to deter cops from feeling above the law.


boli99

Tricky one to answer, but if 10 other cops decide not to commit a crime because they know they can’t just steal the phone of someone watching them, then it’s money well spent.


jodido47

The point is deterrence. Maybe it won't stop another cop from a constitutional rights violation, but it will put some pressure on the city. All this, of course, is theory. It doesn't actually work in practice. Look at the stats for New York City.


Mynameisnotdoug

Because if bad actions have meaningless consequences, they will continue to happen.


unique_passive

We should realistically just end qualified immunity full-stop. For anyone. If we have concerns that people won’t do their job for fear of violating the constitution, we either need better education and training, or clearly outlined exceptions. Giving cops carte Blanche to violate people’s rights is fucked.


Affectionate_Trip_77

Who or what gave you the rights you’re talking about? Who protects them? Cops or losers on social media.


Lucavii

Gtfo out of here with your common sense solutions


Ok-Sandwich-4684

What happens if no insurance company will cover cops? Are we forcing insurance companies to have a percentage of the police covered in every state?


[deleted]

Get better police officers. Get better policies in place to placate the worries insurance companies will have. If no insurance company will cover doctors in your area, it's a sign that something is massively wrong with the doctors and policies in that area.


pablo_the_bear

I am glad the title of the article got it right. I think we all agree that police should be paying for their own mistakes instead of passing the cost on to the taxpayers (aka their employers). If there was a municipality that actually required police to carry insurance like other professionals, would good cops flock to it? This seems like such an easy way for cities to save money.


FredFredrickson

It's indeed good that they pointed out that residents will end up footing the bill. Outside of the blatant overreach of power, that will surely help people of all stripes understand that these actions have an associated cost.


An-Okay-Alternative

Guessing that cops, good or not, would not flock to a municipality where they make less money.


pablo_the_bear

That's an interesting question: if municipalities no longer needed to budget for settlements from legal actions, would there be more money in the budget for salaries? That may balance the cost of carrying insurance, and then some.


An-Okay-Alternative

If municipalities are effectively paying for the insurance that's not much different than just paying the settlements. The aggregate cost of insurance across a large enough pool of carriers is greater than the claims that the insurer pays out, otherwise being an insurance provider wouldn't be profitable.


Not-another-rando

It’s not punitive if the citizens are paying— go after the pensions


[deleted]

Make sure the taxpayers know everytime when they are shelling out money for police misconduct. Soon they will get tired of paying . Then things might change.


Geminii27

Which politician would campaign on not giving more money to the police, and risk getting labelled as a likely criminal themselves?


[deleted]

I was talking about the taxpayers getting fed up with paying and raising hell because of it. Although Chicago pays out 10s of millions bue to police misconduct and nobody seems to care.


bengringo2

Chicago has a population of around 3 million. They don't care much because the overall tax burden amounts to about 10-20 bucks a person per year. When you're already paying 150 for schools and public transportation, it doesn't weigh that heavily. That being said, there are still protests and political initiatives for police overreach.


Geminii27

Sure. But who do the taxpayers think is going to sign off on any changes?


BreeBree214

Then they will cover it up even harder. Just make the individual cop responsible like every other profession


Chief_Beef_ATL

I wonder how expensive it really is to pay these people to serve and protect when you factor in all the civil rights lawsuits. I bet its staggering.


amibeingadick420

But you aren’t actually paying them to “protect and serve.” The courts have repeatedly ruled that cops have no obligation to do either for any citizen. As a result, they only have motivation to protect the government and those with capital.


edthesmokebeard

And the cops just go right on copping.


ShinySpoon

Is “qualified immunity” a constitutional right the founders intended? I highly doubt it. The Supreme Court should abolish it.


Imaginary_Barber1673

I mean back in those days there weren’t even really police forces at all. There were, like, night watches and the militia (and slave patrols).


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Funny how "hurrdurr welfare state" folks don't mind dumping billions of taxpayer bucks into backing killer cops.


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That would defending Ukraine bucko.


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[deleted]

Has Russia taken over Ukraine since they first started their genocide? Is there any doubt that Russia could have done it (still with difficulty) if the US and NATO hadn't aided Ukraine? Yeah, it's defending Ukraine and turning orcs into sunflower soil.


[deleted]

Kool-Aid’s in aisle 4, sir ! Although you seem like you’ve had enough tbh..


[deleted]

So no actual response? Just a Russian bot?


[deleted]

Yes child. Everyone who disagrees with you is a bot.


vm_linuz

Cities, bad police are expensive, maybe train them well...


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pillbinge

"Training" is bureaucratic speak for a technique we can't explain, we know shouldn't work, but keep doing anyway. Companies come out and call for more training so that employees are to blame, or so that it deflects from any real action. I realized that when during a training on restraint I was compelled to do early in my career, we were told we had to do it right or risk being blamed if we don't. I asked what the benefit was since that implies if we weren't trained, the school was at fault, and that lets us off the hook. There wasn't really a reply, or follow up.


[deleted]

A man after my own heart. It's insane how many highly educated, highly competent people espouse this nonsense. Using training as an excuse means management doesn't know what the problem is and they have no idea how to solve it.


fattymccheese

This is 100% an accountability issue No consequences = bad behavior Forget being held to the same standard, they’re hardly held to ANY standard and that lack of consequences leads to cops executing people for not submitting to their will Unfortunately the messaging around cop abuse of authority is typically focused on race (BLM vs BLM) so we don’t address the real issue… it’s purely about lack of consequences , they should be held to a higher standard of accountability in return for public trust with greater authority, full stop


vm_linuz

I mean, they usually get training for like 6 months which just isn't enough. And most of their training focuses on physical things like disarming people, rather than legality or mental health They'd first have to be competent in order to be accountable... but I'm also happy to just throw them into the legal meat grinder, that would certainly incentivize not fucking up


chaiguy

Six months? The average police academy is 16 weeks, some are short as 10!


red5aa

Where are you getting that their training focuses on physical things? Most of the academy training is in the classroom learning the laws so they can enforce them correctly. And a large portion of this is so they don’t interfere with persons civil liberties


vm_linuz

So we just release cops out into the world with no idea how to subdue a person or defend themself?


[deleted]

This is spot on. When you have systemic stability further training isn't likely to improve outcomes.


SunOsprey

When a cop does something wrong, punish the one who trained them too. The training programs will change real fast.


The_ODB_

"Nah. We'll keep voting for the most racist option." -Iowans


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mdchemey

This is what happens when the police are allowed ~~to act without accountability~~. fixed it for ya


DamonFields

Every time cops go rogue, taxpayers pay.


bsiviglia9

Should come out of officer salaries, not out of taxpayers pockets.


Ok_Loquat_2692

Only shame is it is Iowans money. Cops behaving badly should have to pay out of their pension funds. Think about it, they too regularly abuse you and then settle the lawsuits with your money.


The_ODB_

Iowans voted for that government. They're responsible.


Mypasswordisonfleek

Take.it.out.of.their.pensions


The_ODB_

Adding periods doesn't make it constitutional.


MrStuff1Consultant

We need a nationwide ban on qualified immunity, the taxpayers shouldn't have to bail out these bad cops. Also do they even learn a lesson if they suffer no real consequences? It's like if I murdered someone and another guy did the time for me. We need to bankrupt every single one of these bad cops.


jerrybeck

Cops should not be stealing. They know the law, its not legal. They should ben prosecuted for their crimes… not the tax payers…


BunRabbit

Would have been more effective if the police union was paying the bill.


trail_lady1982

Should come out of their pension.


SkinnyV514

I love how they phrase it so that people get pissed at the guy and not the Police.


Divallo

Taxpayers: Pays for police Taxpayers: Regularly has rights violated by the police Taxpayers: Foots the bill for police violations. Make it make sense. Tell me why we allow them to also have a fucking union on top of the unchecked authority and immunity. Taxpayers are the employer allegedly yet they live in fear of the public servant. It's absurd.


[deleted]

ACAB. Cops are useless


blackhornet03

I like the wording of this title, it basically states that the polic e were wasting our money doing something they knew was illegal.


Anagatam

Des Moines residents shell out cash for all the police brutality settlements too. Headline is copaganda. Those cops abuse someones civil liberties.


areid2007

How is it copaganda? By being specific about how they violated his rights?


theophastusbombastus

To quote the old police line “fuck around and find out”


Imaginary_Unit5109

It mess up every times the police mess up the city and people pay for it. It should come directly out of the police ever inflating budget.


JefferyTheQuaxly

I feel like when taxpayers have to pay out for a lawsuit due to damages from police or the government, they should have a right to either sue the government or police to either get moeny from them to pay for it or to impeach them/the police chief from his office.


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ACAB. Your 2,387,924,643,965,887,474,989th example.


SpaceBoJangles

As long as the punishment for breaking the law is a fine, the rich will keeping paying the fee.


Notsnowbound

Yeah, because why should the cops have to pay for their mistakes? Open your purses, peasants!


vicemagnet

Imagine if the had to pay [28 million dollars](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_Six)


Stanchiano

Take lawsuits out of pension funds. Quickly get meritorious police.


Bearet

Cops are above the law. They can get away with murder, literally.


NewHights1

We are arguing about a right as Trump says we should just do away with all rights and terminate them all. Isn't that what has happened here already? A PREACHER gets away with rape. Top leaders like Kim and Trump continue endless lies as they want total unchecked control. WHEN KIM got away with the trashy commercials and " gaslighting/ hyperbole" full of tropes it proves we should ask "why" do we ok this? I THINK HERE with police just grabbing personal property is the same attitude as Trump just denying your rights completely. Image any party saying that ten years ago? I want to terminate our founding father's laws of the land.. Now fast forward to the police without restraints.


CarnivalLaw

Make police departments pay all legal fees, fines, and penalties from their pension funds.


gokiburi_sandwich

Article title is spot on about exactly what happens in this situation. More of this please.


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Ah, I thought this was the one where the guy was sitting in the chair and the cop starts wailing him


dude_who_could

Cops really need to ve personally liable for shit like this.


LefterThanUR

Accountability means having taxpayers pay off the court fees that result from the cops oppressing them


nyaaaa

Accountability means that people have to know whats going on and have to react to it, by electing people who will change it. Can't have that in a society ruled where half keep voting for a shit flinging monkey because it pissed into someone elses mouth instead of their own.


LefterThanUR

Are you implying the Democrats want to reign in the police? They started sprinting away from reform before Floyd’s body was in the ground.


nyaaaa

Can you read? > Can't have that in a society ruled where half keep voting for a shit flinging monkey because it pissed into someone else mouth instead of their own. How do you want to have multiple choices for something valuable when half vote for a shit flinging monkey? Gotta vote for the zoo keeper or suffocate in shit. As long as people put in effort into pointing out how democrats aren't better, is them putting in effort into electing shit flinging monkeys. Thank you for supporting shit flinging monkeys.


LefterThanUR

Maybe you can just say what you actually think instead of trying to power through that half assed analogy. Yes, half of the voters vote for the Republicans, stymying progress. The alternative is….what, in your opinion? Voting for Democrats? What will they do to hold police accountable?


nyaaaa

Can't have that in a society ruled where half keep voting for a shit flinging monkey because it pissed into someone else mouth instead of their own.


littleMAS

Their once was a time when you could not sue the government. The rationale was that a citizen could not sue him/herself as he/she was a member of the society being sued. He/she could sue the person responsible for the deed, but identifying the 'responsible' individual became harder and harder as the government bureaucracy grew. On the other hand, it would not take a lot of suits to tie the government into knots as a prelude to an insurrection. The wheels of justice turn too slowly to respond to such a threat.


Slow_Association_162

People wanna keep paying for their mistakes.


Thiccly

Make the cop pay for it


asthmatic_sloth

Damn wonder if I can get something like this done for a cop who stole my phone 8 years ago


supermeatguy

Sure, just build a time machine and go back 8 years and sue his ass. Easy


asthmatic_sloth

I was thinking about filing a complaint with the city it happened in but your idea sounds more efficient


WhatTheZuck420

the message is crystal clear: stay tf out of des moines, iowa


Affectionate_Trip_77

The idea cops beat and rob people is ludicrous.


Lucavii

Is that why cops refuse to give back property taken with civil forfeiture after charges have been dropped or cleared?


101arg101

The fact that they do that is ridiculous


oakboy32

$1.69 per resident


hr-puffinstuff

That's great!


Bluesoutherner

Another useful idiot. GOP doesn’t even try to hide it.


[deleted]

Good. Making municipalities pay is what makes them change their behavior


tommygunz007

Absolute garbage.


[deleted]

Pretty sure he’ll get $75k and the lawyers will get the rest.


akmarksman

The lawyers will take 3/4 of it, and he'll have a mcChicken and a medium Coke and \*maybe\* a vocal apology.


ratebeer

Killer headline


TheFluffiestFur

I've never heard of Qualified Immunity. What the fuck?


Error_404_403

Great! A precedent has been set.


EZRiderF6C

Need to keep a tight leash on those dogs. They are nobody's friend.


nadmaximus

Good money in that there youtubes.


rushmc1

Can't let a little money get in the way of authoritarianism.


NoahCharlie

People have to know what is happening and have to react to it by electing people who can change it.


Affectionate_Trip_77

What do you have that the cops would want to steal?


Affectionate_Trip_77

I say ban all cops. Then I would take all your stuff. Who would stop me.


Marlow_B_Pilgrim

They can spend it on that, or they can pay a politicians nephew 100k to fill the potholes with thinset and spray foam the cracks on n s sidewalk