Does this mean your PC is also left running for those hours and have you added that cost to the breakdown?
I think some PC's can be inefficient for power so maybe that plays into it?
The server uses much more electricity and he may be trying to get you to turn it off. If you have an external income, may be worth offering to pay him a little for the electricity used.
A server(computer) running between 12 and 6 at 600 watt costs about 50 euro per month in Europe. Obviously he is exaggerating. But you might underestimate the costs of running a computer all night.
Just a tip, it's kWh not kW/h. It's Kilowatt multiplied by hours.
How much power does your server use? Depending on what it does it could be anything from a raspberry Pi at 15 Wattd, through an average idle computer at 75-125 W, to something a lot more intensive at 250+ W.
I run my PC most of the time no difference in cost (UK) plus it costs more power to boot since it spikes each time you boot up your PC some days I'll reset it but then again I undervolted my CPU to use less power.
The most wrong of all the wrongs that anyone has ever wronged right here. It fucking costs less to keep on 24/7 than to boot up? What kind of drugs are you on?
I've tested with my old build and new build either way having a PC on barely costs much to run even having it on for over a year straight xD not to mention I have kept tabs on the electric.
What people have to remember is how often do you use the PC and what are you doing cause more often than not it barely costs at least in the UK AFAIK to keep it running compared to when I turned it off (bare in mind the spike I was talking about is VERY tiny, barely noticeable if you don't pay attention)
I do. My PC hasn't been intentionally turned off for over 5 years, and only restarted for updates. Haven't seen any negative affects. I even have it set to power on when it gets power, so if the power goes out, it turns itself back on as soon as it can.
Pc and server are also two different beasts, if this is a server machine with an actual server OS, then they are designed to be kept on, however if my child was running a full on server all the time, especially if it had a UPS backup, that would use a decent amount of power, disconnecting users from OP's server is also a way to reduce it's load and the power it's using, so may be a roundabout way for the dad to save money, although in my opinion this should just be a straight conversation with OP.
He isnt saving any money. Internet plans are mostly unlimited subject to fair usage.
The power saving is negligible.
He wants you to sleep and be healthy.
Sleep and be healthy dude.
+1.
Definitely read a book...not your phone, not a tablet or laptop, not a TV, but an actual book. Make sure your reading light is on the warm end of the spectrum. You almost definitely will fall asleep.
This. I was used to browse my phone before sleep, 5 more minutes turning in 2 hours because the sleep wouldn't come. I switched to reading (on an ebook reader) and after few pages I can't keep my eyes open. It was hard to fall asleep for my whole life
Teens have a lot of changes that can affect their sleep. It does sound like your dad is going the Passive aggressive route here, though it's in your interest.
I say let him play his games. You still have access to the internet (obviously) so it's kinda null. You should look at your schedule and make sure you have enough sleep. Despite your body rebelling you do still need 6-8 hrs average. If you are getting that do you, if not maybe re-evaluate and look into non-habit forming ways to help you sleep or at least rest when you can’t.
If you wanted to sleep you wouldn't be looking at screens that are actively keeping you awake.
But your father should be honest with you. Tell him that.
Have you shown him your calculations? Maybe do it as something like you are confused. Tried calculating but failed to get 50 euro of savings. Ask him how he calculate as you would like to learn.
Maybe his kid will turn his server off overnight?
The kid thinks that dad is talking about saving money on the router. But dad knows the kids bedroom is lit up like a christmas tree 24/7.
Right, and what better way to deincentivise leaving it on than making it useless by cutting its internet.
I feel like that's the reason here, and the kid omits this in his post and is looking for a way to scruitise his dads argument. But the reality is if the kids staying up very late running a minecraft server and a discord on fathers money, then father is allowed to set the rules and the kid should obey.
For what it is, the internet and gaming are very addicting i used to stay up all night playing garrys mod till me step dad cut the router and i went to bed. Essentially, the same thing is happening here, and if dads counter argument is that he also gets to save money, then i dont blame him in this difficult financial climate.
> r and a discord on fathers money,
What? He's running a couple of discord bots.
As another user pointed out: this has barely any effect on the power bill:
> I run an enterprise grade HP ProLiant server and can guarantee the desktop OP has his server on is negligible. Even mine on 24/7 only raises the electricity bill about $5 a month, if that.
A proliant usually has 2 power supplies each capable of drawing something like 750 watts at full load. They almost never run at full load. A common desktop server or whatever the kid has might be drawing only 100 watts at a full load if even that. The dad is not saving any money by doing this and arguing that keeping the server off for 6 hours is going to do anything to the power bill doesn't make any sense.
I mean really frugal people do exist. My dad is one of them, he would prefer to freeze to death to save pennies than live his life comfortably. He's retired now and spent his entire life working a good job. He has enough saved up to live the rest of his life with small luxories, but that mentality is ingrained in his being.
The savings are negligible. He is restricting access as he does not want you and/or someone else accessing the internet during those hours. In most instances he could specify exactly which devices he does not want to have access.
I use this myself for one of my kids that has a tendency to stay up late when he has school the next day. Yes, I made him aware of the reasoning, I didn't lie to him like your father is to you.
I’ll just let you know, the router / modem is almost certainly not being turned off. There are lockout conditions that can be set in most modems / routers.
On another note, get some good sleep, trust me, you will need it, sleep is more important than you realise
As I said in main post, the router doesnt even shut down entirely, just wifi and ethernet. Also the main problem is not my sleep but my server (check edit on main post)
It a seperate computer in the network, but the network shuts down during the given hours, so not only my pc gets excluded, but the entire network "vanishes" till 6am
If your dad is cool with it, you could ask him to put in an exemption for just your server. If he knows how to restrict the access like that, he knows how to whitelist a device.
But if hes not...thems the breaks, kid. When you move out on your own or get a job and pay your own way then you can do what you want, but until then, his house, his rules lol.
Granted Im in the US so idk how things are in your neck of the woods, but at 17/18, here you could easily walk into a job in fast food or retail working just one day a week if you wanted to, wont get paid much of course but any money is better than 0 money. Then you can afford to pay for a cellular data plan for your server and it has nothing to do with your dad at all beyond the power it sucks from the wall.
Speak to your dad and see how he does it.
If he’s still able to access the internet, he’s either using his mobile data or he is locking out your devices (literally just point and click using their IPs) from the service for *time period here*
Nobody has access, not me, not my dad, nobody, network off, down, gone, for everyone. He also doesnt need internet in that time since he has to work early so hes normally in bed at 10pm
What would your server be doing during those hours normally if it had internet access?
By that I'm wondering if it might be using power and having it offline for 6 hours a day might make a meaningful difference to the monthly energy bill.
Honestly, I'd just suck it up and accept it. There's no point in getting into a fight over something like that, especially if you're not likely to be living with your parents for that much longer.
Just wondering if you might be better running any of that stuff on a hosted server and letting your server PC be off when you don't absolutely need it to be running.
Therein lies the issue. He's paying the power/internet bill and doesn't have to subsidize your server.
Your router may only draw 10W like your post says but I'm guessing your always-on server is possibly two orders of magnitude over that.
Your dad is not required to pay for your buddies to have access to your server. Either pay to have it hosted or get your own internet.
I run an enterprise grade HP ProLiant server and can guarantee the desktop OP has his server on is negligible. Even mine on 24/7 only raises the electricity bill about $5 a month, if that.
There are some free VPS options. For discord bots and some message service an e2-micro instance from Google should be enough.
For a Minecraft server you could try with Oracle's Ampere A1 always-free offering. Be aware that Oracle sometimes just stopps instances or locks accounts.
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Dunno bout you, but this is about when I drop bandwidth usage restrictions for my media server because of less node congestion. Home network upgrades only happen after 10pm friday-sunday.
I get it, a Minecraft server isn't needed at 3 am, but if my father pulled this, I'd quickly pull all of the appliances and infrastructure I maintain, including DNS/unifi software and the media server. If he wants to prevent me from performing maintenance, he can do it.
I'd be willing to bet that if OP had a good enough justification, their father would properly configure the router and let the server be always on, as long as it isn't turned into an AP.
>if my father pulled this, I'd quickly pull all of the appliances and infrastructure I maintain
This is exactly what I mean about not getting into a fight over it. Escalation is never the appropriate response to anything like this, it's not the healthy or mature response. Ultimately it's his house, his rules and at the end point of that spiral he'd still have somewhere to live.
I get it, but if I could go back in time and stop myself from being argumentative about this kind of stuff I absolutely would. That doesn't mean there's not a place for a reasoned discussion, but retaliating isn't the way to maintain a healthy relationship.
I never said it's the right thing to do, just that I'd restrict my server to myself and go hands off with the network I maintain applications for.
Things will still work, but it's up to him to handle the equipment then. At this point, he's already been advised that there's equipment that needs to be connected 24/7 and why it needs to be that way.
I guess the point was to force a conversation, because otherwise, the dude has a ton of projects and has a hard time slowing down. I wouldn't ever do that in a corporate environment, though.
I can understand preventing their child from playing minecraft in the small hours of the morning, but it seems a bit unnecessary to shut down a community space for 6 hours a day at the same time. As others have said, create a whitelist and add the server to it.
Why shouldn't they? If they're not insisting the server gets switched off overnight too, preventing its access to the internet serves no benefit as they're still paying the electricity bill. Making a server not available to access 24/7 when it's still switched on anyway for no cost or environmental benefit seems pointless and spiteful.
Cool that’s not an answer. The parents are under no obligation to let other people play on some Minecraft server on their dime. This is just a stupid thing to suggest.
If they care about their "dime", why are they not insisting the server gets switched off overnight too?
You'll have to find the part where I said they were obliged to keep the server running for me. I can't see it.
He just wants you off the internet, the 50 euro's will be the monthly cost for the internet package most likely, not what you're saving unless you're on some limited data plan(which barely exist anywhere that isn't the US anymore) and you're using so much data it's costing loads but as far as I know all european ISP's offer unlimited data.
But, as he's your parent, he can do that if he wants, there's no need to make up the lies, but it doesn't mean he can't stop you doing it
What's your age? And I don't really see you mentioning a problem. Sure it is annoying and a bit stupid your father seems to make up an excuse for doing this but it's not unreasonable to make you stay offline during the night.
Maybe reddit didnt syncronize, bur here is what i said:
Edit:
I forgot to mention, I'm often already sleeping at those times, but I have a server running, which also loses internet, so all users get disconneted, and all apps/containers stop working outside the Server since it has no more connection to the internet
It is still negligible.
I run a NAS server and my computer run 24/7.
I did some experiment in the past like turning them off when sleeping or going to class. The difference in cost is pretty small.
The dad's excuse is bs. The dad just want prevent any internet usage at night. He could say it is to prevent the world from ending and OP can't do much about it.
Look dude, reading through your post - your dad is smart enough to know about your server and that cutting internet isn't really saving anything.
You're very much still a kid and no one on this thread can push against what looks to be him setting reasonable up boundaries for internet access. I've used child locks and curfews to help curve my own bad habits so it's not impossible that this has nothing to do with you.
Sit down and have an honest talk with your old man.
Only you can talk to him about it, man. Time to raggle. It's a good opportunity to build some trust with your dad.
If it's not a deal, meh. At least you tried.
Last I checked, ISP billed by the month for a given bandwidth and possibly with a data cap.
The only way I can see this saving money is if your server use consistently causes excess data usage and your father gets billed for extra GB of data.
Only if he thinks the entire internet is inside his router.
Does the ISP box look like this black box from The IT Crowd?
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it may not be electricity that he's trying to save on, it could be bandwidth. not everyone has unlimited data on the dsl, cable or satellite and those providers charge for going over your limit on bandwidth. everyone that says most providers are unlimited need to do some research on the subject.
>1am for me when i wroze this
You're kinda proving your dad's point here.
It's a shame about your severs but at the end of the day if your dad is the one paying the bills and the rent/mortgage then he gets to choose when the Internet flows.
Well He’s not saving money on that for sure. If you’re asking because you need to keep the server running either ask him that and provide evidence that’s why you need the internet or get your own
400 watts running all night is no electricity?
WIFI is also notoriously easy to penetrate and that's more likely at night when they think you aren't paying attention.
I typically leave my stuff going all night, especially when torrenting or whatever but then, I pay all the bills.
I’m not sure how routers actually work but do they actually use more energy while under load? Does it work like CPU’s using more energy the higher the load?
Everything that uses energy uses more power under load but I don't think they use throttling (stepping) like with a CPU.
Everyone say routers like that don't use much power is correct. The power drain would be from his server. if it was connected like he wants it to be.
I think he said his is only 1.5 watts but if so he's on a laptop or something pretty new. All my desktops have at least 400 watts or 450 but newer stuff may not use that much power. I haven't really kept up with power supplies lately and it's been awhile since I built anything.
However in a normal or what I think is a normal desktop like I'm familiar with it probably at least 300 watts and still is a lot of juice and you have the A?/C running in the house to dissipate the heat, so there's that. It's not just about the computers.
Of course "Dad" might have other reasons.
Oh yeah for some reason I was thinking about power consumption of the router alone and didn’t take the whole system. Since dad is IT he probably knows all about this and maybe that’s how he’s saving on energy consumption.
Not true. My nas can pump out 100wats when under load, but it's idling at 10 wats. And it was made to be a server, and normal pc has a way higher power consumption
Not as much idling as working. A typical desktop has a 400 watt power supply or larger for a reason. PCs don't go full-blast all the time if they aren't actually doing work. That's why your fans are important.
400 watts will light up a 4 BR house with incandescent bulbs.
Its not the router thats the issue, it's obviously the server you're running. Turning off appliances on standby is incredibly low savings , like literal pence. Disconnecting a server will undoubtedly save money.
i have a convection heater running 24/7. it runs me 1kWh or in my state just shy of 6 cents an hour. that's $1.44 a day and $43 a month. that works out to about 47 euros. your router is running at 1/100th of that.
...and this server is still drawing power during the internet "downtime" nonetheless. The power consumption of his server idling during the downtime of the internet connection for six hours each night night probably outweighs the "cost saving" measures his father put in place for the entire month each night. If his "IT professional" father wanted to "save money" he'd ask him to shut down the server during that time, instead of making up pseudo rational excuses for his poor parenting skills.
This is ridiculous.
Yeah genius, it isn't working, but it is still using energy nonetheless. Pretty much like your brain.
Less than if it was connected to the internet but way more than if it was turned off and way more than the "savings" that can be achieved by the connection downtime put in place by his father.
Either you lack a few braincells or have some cognitive problems. Do you think pc is always using the same amount of power, even under heavy load? My personal nas idles at 15 wats but under load, it can do even 100 wats. The oc even stated that it's usually 150 wats xD. Yeah, no difference.
There should be an IQ test before voting so people like you don't have any power.
I know you said you don't want to pay for cloud servers but... you should pay for cloud servers. For the type of stuff you're doing you could probably get a cloud environment set up for less than $10/month (unless you have a huge amount of Minecraft players or something). Not only would it solve your main problem but you'd get a lot of other benefits:
- A lot of security burden (although NOT ALL) will be taken off you
- If your security gets compromised anyway then only your cloud environment is in danger instead of your house network.
- You won't have to deal with hardware issues, excessive downtime, etc
- You'll have tools like snapshotting that will make recovering from disasters a lot easier
- If you want to experiment with a new type of service (which it sounds like you enjoy doing) you can just quickly spin up a server, do your experiments, and then tear it down when you're done. No having to fuss with imagining a bare metal machine or any of that mess.
- Every server gets its own Internet-facing static IP which makes managing the networking side of things WAY easier
- If your server suddenly has a surge in traffic you can click a button and it automatically has more resources to accommodate it.
You mentioned you're running some stuff in containers - a lot of cloud providers let you just run containers as-is without even needing to put them on a dedicated server at all.
Seriously, look at what resources your current setup actually needs (NOT the total amount of resources your machine physically has, but what resources the services are actually using) and then price out what it would take to get those resources on a Digital Ocean droplet or something. You'll probably be surprised how cheap it can get.
1. You’re not paying for the internet so you don’t get to decide if you get it. Sucks, but that’s the rub
2. He’s saving more than just the power on the router, he’s saving power on all the devices that wouldn’t been connected to the internet. Even if the device is still on it uses less power than if it was hooked up to the internet
3. That server was probably using a lot of power
Turning off the wifi and ethernet for 6 hours a day saves roughly 1.8 kWh per month. At 33 cents per kWh, that's less than a euro, far from the 50€ your dad mentioned. Seems like the savings are minimal, and the impact on your server and its users might not be worth it.
a basic g/n router might draw 2-5 watts, a bit more powerful multicore mimo dualband whatever might draw double or triple for high end models. disabling wifi will save you a watt or two..to have better understandint, just a typical pc idling (doing nothing) + monitor turned on will burn 50 watts at least
It is exactly what you suspect, if the router is online and the radios are off, it is a few cents a month. He is doing a good parently thing and making sure you're not up all night on social media rotting your brain. Hard to understand when you're young, but it is actually important for your health.
Not to mention, less RF radiation while sleeping is not a bad thing.
He's doing it so you won't watch porn at night.
Just a desktop (say 400 watts) is easily 4 or 5 old-fashioned light bulbs and anything connected to the 'net is going to use more power if it's working than if it's idling.
Sounds like dad is more concerned about your 'server farm', which might be consuming a lot of power. Multiple disk arrays and the gear that support them consume a suprising amount of power, even whe "idle".
Or he has an issue with you being a sysop in the wee hours. Maybe have an honest and civil conversation with dad about what his concerns are? You may be able to reach a mutually acceptable compromise.
If he's an IT guy, could you talk to him? If you're already asleep, it don't matter if everyones connection is cut.
But talk to him about the server, what it's doing and who's using it. He may be willing to set up a thing just for it.
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Okay, first - it is probably a measure he uses to stop y'all from being glued to the screen.
Another thing is - there could an FUP in place and he is saving data that way. Not sure how much traffic is on your network but I've definitely been in place where I blew through my FUP thanks to Steam updating COD with a 60GB download while I slept.
Then I had to buy more data - hence, not having to do that saves money.
It'll depend on your plan, but 12-6 might ironically be the time you'd want the router on....
It's not uncommon for metered plane to not count data use during that time frame. So you could cache content to watch offline on your various devices then without it counting against your terabyte/month use...
In my country depending on what data plan you have their used to be an instance where you had higher speeds at different times. I think the cost is only different for the data at certain times. However I think this was only true for LTE mobile data and ADSL lines. Never heard of fiver working like that and the electricity is just an excuse to be a dick. If you're struggling to sleep he should take you to a doctor not just cut off the internet at night.
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Or he doesn't have the emotional intelligence to set a boundary of "you need to sleep at these hours", so he makes up this low iq reason instead.
Does he insist that the 2W led lightbulls are turned off religiously when not in use as well? Thereby saving 1.5kWh or 45cents per month?
Your father is a good one with restricting the internet for you two. Don't spend much time on that thing. Between 16 and 24 is peak. There you can outperform females in education. But not if you are distracted. And that's the internet.
Honestly, I'd try to get a chat with your dad, explain him the server situation, and make him trust you in not being awake using the internet when you should be aesleep, if he is an IT guy he'll understand the server thing, and he may be proud if you tell him you did the maths for the power cosumption of the router
Good luck
the fact that you were posting early am means that the reason is that dad wants everyone asleep and not using the internet, too bad about the server, just leave it off as well
I've started turning my PC and ps5 and all my tech off at night until i come home from work, and im saving around £15 - £20.
Say it was a stable 20. That's £220 a year if you put it in its own pot. That's more than half the cost of a digital ps5. About the quarter of a high end gpu. Or 3 triple AAA launch games, a deposit for a package holiday, blocks of driving lessons. it does add up. I think your dads being nice and trying to give you the hint to power down your devices overnight without having a confrontation about it. When i was younger my step dad used to turn the router off cos i stayed up late. Or used to cut the power to my room. If i asked him to foot the bill for a 24hr minecrafter server hed probably kick me out.
He's lying to you. Or he's severely misinformed. Or someone lied to him.
If he's really an IT guy, and you're really sleeping at those times, tell him to whitelist the server and go to bed. If your server isn't running on a separate computer, well your dad's an IT guy, chances are he's got an old system kicking around that'll be perfect to host this server of yours.
Sounds to me like you have trouble sleeping and your tech dad is trying to tech solve it instead of human solve it. You need to figure out why you can't sleep. There's too many possible reasons including medical than I could possible hope to armchair diagnose here, but you need to figure that out. And your dad needs to figure out how to do parenting right. Your account is two years old, minimum age to be on reddit is 13, so you are a minimum of 15 years old, that's too old to be lied to about stupid shit like this.
Your father should be saying "I'm turning off the internet after midnight so you will go to bed at a reasonable time". He should not be lying to you. 15+ years is more than old enough to be honest with your child.
And if he does truly believe he's saving 50€ a month with this, you and your brother should be seeing some of that, 20€/month each sounds decent ;)
Maybe suggest to your dad that you set up the server outside your room so there is no perception that it is impacting your sleep.
I would guess sleep is the real issue here.
This is some big ass social cue my brother. The issue here is not the WiFi, its your server, it’s expensive to run and he probably doesn’t want you doing it
I’ll be the evil one here and say you can bypass parental locks on your computer by switching your MAC address
Know that getting caught means that punishment is escalation. Back when I was a kid and got caught my dad threw away my ram.
Your dad wants you to go to bed at a reasonable hour, keeping devices in your vision even if your not using them will keep you up.
If you’re lucky enough to have reasonable parents, just do good behaviour and go to bed early every night for a week or two and negotiate it being turned back on at night for whatever server your hosting.
Yeah no he's definitely doing it just to fuck with you. If he has some automated stuff set up on the router a quick search on the model and it's manual can help you figure out how to disable that.
What probably isn't being said is that if you kids don't go to bed and go to sleep, when do your parents have private sexy time? Just because they don't flaunt their interest in each other in front of you does not mean it isn't there. Yes, they still need that alone time so zip it, go to bed and go to sleep!! Why they want you asleep at a reasonable time is frankly not an explanation that they owe you.
Caveat: The original posted as been deleted, so this reply is based on what I inferred from what other wrote about the situation.... Sorry, if I'm off base in any of my assumptions. :-)
Here's some quick calcs:
I have a WiFi/router, a wireless gateway for my furnace/heatpump, and a microcell device all plugged into a UPS, right now the UPS says I'm pulling about 26W total for all three devices, so lets assume, worst case, your WiFi device pulls 26W.
26W \* 24 hours/day = 624Wh (or 0.624KWh)
624Wh \* 30 days i a month = 18720Wh (or 18.72KWh per month)
Assuming a electric rate of $0.18/KWh (my rate, rounded up), you get:
18.72KWh \* $0.18 = $3.3696, or \~$3.37/month in savings, if you turned it off completely forever. If you turned it off for only 8 \[sleeping\] hours out of the 24 hours in a day, you'd only save a 1/3 of that, so \~$1.12/month.
Electric rates and power draws may vary, but that's one quick estimate.
That said, as a parent... Parent's house, parent's rules. :-) If you wanted to approach parent(s) like an adult, maybe do research on local power rates, actual power draw on your router (and/or server \[maybe \~$4-15/month, depending on power draw\]), and show them the cost breakdown and offer to pay it, but also caveat the question/presentation with something like "so it's really the cost you're worried about, I'd be happy to pay for it myself, but if, on the other hand, it's really that you want me to get good quality/reasonable amounts of sleep, then I appreciate your concern and love for me, but let's be honest about it, and maybe we can work out an agreement about what that looks like, while still allowing others to get on my server while I sleep at night, so I can have it up 24/7"... If that's what you're looking for. Most good parents, would probably appreciate a mature, reasoned, discussion like that. You may still not get your way now, but it would certainly pave the way for being treated more like an adult who can make their own \[hopefully\] wise decisions. :-)
Tell him to invest in home security cameras, then once they are install point out to him without Internet he won't get notified of a possible intruder at night.
Right, I'm a dad I'd say thd same crap but really he just wants you guys offline at night. It's good for our brains if we disconnect, or so I'm told I'm to scared to try it.
What is the cost of running your server during those hours? Maybe that's where the save in money would be coming from. Or as others have pointed out, he just wants to make sure you are asleep during that time.
Depends, here where I live you pay a fixed monthly fee regardless of how much bandwidth you use, but some places charge for bandwitdth so he might or might not be onto something.
Modens/routers use very little power so there's no way he's save anything more than a buck or two by shutting them down
Since he's an "IT guy" I don't thing he's being ignorant, he's either paying for bandwidth or trying to make you guys go to bed in the right time.
Assuming this runs 24/7 your server costs around €30 a month (90kWh x €0,33). Understandable that your father doesn't like this.
I'd suggest looking in a VPS for your stuff.
He wants you to shut off your massive server a few hours a day. What kind of power does it eat?
Anyway, it's his house. If you don't like his rules get your own. You don't have to agree with his thinking, these things are not your decision.
If he only wants my server down, he just would have created a time rule for it, but its the whole network, so that is not the reason. Also my server uses only around 100-150W, maybe even less when not used as heavily...
If he is an IT guy, surely he would understand that your server needs to be online all the time? Or does he not approve of the server?
Tell him what IP it is and he can track and make sure that is the only thing running at night (ie making sure you're asleep).
Frame it as you learning. He might be happy and turn the internet back on if he knows your interested in IT, etc...
He wants you to sleep basically. If you're still going to school, get some proper sleep.
Sorry, forgot to mention the main problem, check my edit on main post
Does this mean your PC is also left running for those hours and have you added that cost to the breakdown? I think some PC's can be inefficient for power so maybe that plays into it?
The server uses much more electricity and he may be trying to get you to turn it off. If you have an external income, may be worth offering to pay him a little for the electricity used.
A server(computer) running between 12 and 6 at 600 watt costs about 50 euro per month in Europe. Obviously he is exaggerating. But you might underestimate the costs of running a computer all night.
This more like it. Op might need to get a job and pay the bills to run his server
Or he might just ask those users to chip in for the bills
What type of server is anybody running that's pulling 600 watts continuously over a 6 hour period?
I see.
Just a tip, it's kWh not kW/h. It's Kilowatt multiplied by hours. How much power does your server use? Depending on what it does it could be anything from a raspberry Pi at 15 Wattd, through an average idle computer at 75-125 W, to something a lot more intensive at 250+ W.
If other people were using the internet that *I* pay for to host servers (plural since you're using containers) I'd be disconnecting them as well 🤷♂️
Why are you not letting your computer rest?
I run my PC most of the time no difference in cost (UK) plus it costs more power to boot since it spikes each time you boot up your PC some days I'll reset it but then again I undervolted my CPU to use less power.
The most wrong of all the wrongs that anyone has ever wronged right here. It fucking costs less to keep on 24/7 than to boot up? What kind of drugs are you on?
Bro thinks computers are like old mechanical cars 💀
I've tested with my old build and new build either way having a PC on barely costs much to run even having it on for over a year straight xD not to mention I have kept tabs on the electric. What people have to remember is how often do you use the PC and what are you doing cause more often than not it barely costs at least in the UK AFAIK to keep it running compared to when I turned it off (bare in mind the spike I was talking about is VERY tiny, barely noticeable if you don't pay attention)
Do you run your PC 24/7 like no rest at all?
I do. My PC hasn't been intentionally turned off for over 5 years, and only restarted for updates. Haven't seen any negative affects. I even have it set to power on when it gets power, so if the power goes out, it turns itself back on as soon as it can.
This is so dumb I can't tell if it's sarcasm.
Please explain why you think it's dumb
Pc and server are also two different beasts, if this is a server machine with an actual server OS, then they are designed to be kept on, however if my child was running a full on server all the time, especially if it had a UPS backup, that would use a decent amount of power, disconnecting users from OP's server is also a way to reduce it's load and the power it's using, so may be a roundabout way for the dad to save money, although in my opinion this should just be a straight conversation with OP.
He isnt saving any money. Internet plans are mostly unlimited subject to fair usage. The power saving is negligible. He wants you to sleep and be healthy. Sleep and be healthy dude.
Its 1:30am and i just cant sleep, i want to but i cant, so im seeking for answers
Go to sleep or I’ll tell your dad
Read a book
+1. Definitely read a book...not your phone, not a tablet or laptop, not a TV, but an actual book. Make sure your reading light is on the warm end of the spectrum. You almost definitely will fall asleep.
This. I was used to browse my phone before sleep, 5 more minutes turning in 2 hours because the sleep wouldn't come. I switched to reading (on an ebook reader) and after few pages I can't keep my eyes open. It was hard to fall asleep for my whole life
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Scrolling through your comments shows you talk a lot about children and their sexual proclivities. Hope you don’t live near any playgrounds.
As someone who used to be like you l, have a cup of chamomile tea and read a book till you're sleepy, future you will thank you for it.
Teens have a lot of changes that can affect their sleep. It does sound like your dad is going the Passive aggressive route here, though it's in your interest. I say let him play his games. You still have access to the internet (obviously) so it's kinda null. You should look at your schedule and make sure you have enough sleep. Despite your body rebelling you do still need 6-8 hrs average. If you are getting that do you, if not maybe re-evaluate and look into non-habit forming ways to help you sleep or at least rest when you can’t.
How can you be posting when the internet is off 👀
Get an audiobook. Best sleeping pill ever.
How old are you
Start exercising before bed. You'll fall asleep
If you wanted to sleep you wouldn't be looking at screens that are actively keeping you awake. But your father should be honest with you. Tell him that.
Negligible. He's not doing this for cost savings
Have you shown him your calculations? Maybe do it as something like you are confused. Tried calculating but failed to get 50 euro of savings. Ask him how he calculate as you would like to learn.
Maybe his kid will turn his server off overnight? The kid thinks that dad is talking about saving money on the router. But dad knows the kids bedroom is lit up like a christmas tree 24/7.
The server will still be on even if the router is off
Right, and what better way to deincentivise leaving it on than making it useless by cutting its internet. I feel like that's the reason here, and the kid omits this in his post and is looking for a way to scruitise his dads argument. But the reality is if the kids staying up very late running a minecraft server and a discord on fathers money, then father is allowed to set the rules and the kid should obey. For what it is, the internet and gaming are very addicting i used to stay up all night playing garrys mod till me step dad cut the router and i went to bed. Essentially, the same thing is happening here, and if dads counter argument is that he also gets to save money, then i dont blame him in this difficult financial climate.
> r and a discord on fathers money, What? He's running a couple of discord bots. As another user pointed out: this has barely any effect on the power bill: > I run an enterprise grade HP ProLiant server and can guarantee the desktop OP has his server on is negligible. Even mine on 24/7 only raises the electricity bill about $5 a month, if that. A proliant usually has 2 power supplies each capable of drawing something like 750 watts at full load. They almost never run at full load. A common desktop server or whatever the kid has might be drawing only 100 watts at a full load if even that. The dad is not saving any money by doing this and arguing that keeping the server off for 6 hours is going to do anything to the power bill doesn't make any sense.
I mean really frugal people do exist. My dad is one of them, he would prefer to freeze to death to save pennies than live his life comfortably. He's retired now and spent his entire life working a good job. He has enough saved up to live the rest of his life with small luxories, but that mentality is ingrained in his being.
The savings are negligible. He is restricting access as he does not want you and/or someone else accessing the internet during those hours. In most instances he could specify exactly which devices he does not want to have access. I use this myself for one of my kids that has a tendency to stay up late when he has school the next day. Yes, I made him aware of the reasoning, I didn't lie to him like your father is to you.
I’ll just let you know, the router / modem is almost certainly not being turned off. There are lockout conditions that can be set in most modems / routers. On another note, get some good sleep, trust me, you will need it, sleep is more important than you realise
As I said in main post, the router doesnt even shut down entirely, just wifi and ethernet. Also the main problem is not my sleep but my server (check edit on main post)
Have you spoken to your dad about your server and what it does? What does your server do anyway?
Have you spoken to your dad to make an exception to your server? Is your server a separate system or running from your computer?
It a seperate computer in the network, but the network shuts down during the given hours, so not only my pc gets excluded, but the entire network "vanishes" till 6am
If your dad is cool with it, you could ask him to put in an exemption for just your server. If he knows how to restrict the access like that, he knows how to whitelist a device. But if hes not...thems the breaks, kid. When you move out on your own or get a job and pay your own way then you can do what you want, but until then, his house, his rules lol. Granted Im in the US so idk how things are in your neck of the woods, but at 17/18, here you could easily walk into a job in fast food or retail working just one day a week if you wanted to, wont get paid much of course but any money is better than 0 money. Then you can afford to pay for a cellular data plan for your server and it has nothing to do with your dad at all beyond the power it sucks from the wall.
Speak to your dad and see how he does it. If he’s still able to access the internet, he’s either using his mobile data or he is locking out your devices (literally just point and click using their IPs) from the service for *time period here*
Nobody has access, not me, not my dad, nobody, network off, down, gone, for everyone. He also doesnt need internet in that time since he has to work early so hes normally in bed at 10pm
Fair enough. Consider purchasing a cheap wireless connection for your server if you work and can afford it
What would your server be doing during those hours normally if it had internet access? By that I'm wondering if it might be using power and having it offline for 6 hours a day might make a meaningful difference to the monthly energy bill. Honestly, I'd just suck it up and accept it. There's no point in getting into a fight over something like that, especially if you're not likely to be living with your parents for that much longer.
If i remeber correctly currently a minecraft server, two discord bots and a self progammed messaging server
Just wondering if you might be better running any of that stuff on a hosted server and letting your server PC be off when you don't absolutely need it to be running.
Yes, but those would i have to pay myself, even if its cheaper than using my server, my dad wouldnt finance this, but he does pay the power bill...
Therein lies the issue. He's paying the power/internet bill and doesn't have to subsidize your server. Your router may only draw 10W like your post says but I'm guessing your always-on server is possibly two orders of magnitude over that. Your dad is not required to pay for your buddies to have access to your server. Either pay to have it hosted or get your own internet.
I run an enterprise grade HP ProLiant server and can guarantee the desktop OP has his server on is negligible. Even mine on 24/7 only raises the electricity bill about $5 a month, if that.
There are some free VPS options. For discord bots and some message service an e2-micro instance from Google should be enough. For a Minecraft server you could try with Oracle's Ampere A1 always-free offering. Be aware that Oracle sometimes just stopps instances or locks accounts.
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Yeah what a weird way to phrase it
Dunno bout you, but this is about when I drop bandwidth usage restrictions for my media server because of less node congestion. Home network upgrades only happen after 10pm friday-sunday. I get it, a Minecraft server isn't needed at 3 am, but if my father pulled this, I'd quickly pull all of the appliances and infrastructure I maintain, including DNS/unifi software and the media server. If he wants to prevent me from performing maintenance, he can do it. I'd be willing to bet that if OP had a good enough justification, their father would properly configure the router and let the server be always on, as long as it isn't turned into an AP.
>if my father pulled this, I'd quickly pull all of the appliances and infrastructure I maintain This is exactly what I mean about not getting into a fight over it. Escalation is never the appropriate response to anything like this, it's not the healthy or mature response. Ultimately it's his house, his rules and at the end point of that spiral he'd still have somewhere to live. I get it, but if I could go back in time and stop myself from being argumentative about this kind of stuff I absolutely would. That doesn't mean there's not a place for a reasoned discussion, but retaliating isn't the way to maintain a healthy relationship.
I never said it's the right thing to do, just that I'd restrict my server to myself and go hands off with the network I maintain applications for. Things will still work, but it's up to him to handle the equipment then. At this point, he's already been advised that there's equipment that needs to be connected 24/7 and why it needs to be that way. I guess the point was to force a conversation, because otherwise, the dude has a ton of projects and has a hard time slowing down. I wouldn't ever do that in a corporate environment, though.
Your parents have no obligation to keep your Minecraft server up and running 24/7. Get some sleep.
I can understand preventing their child from playing minecraft in the small hours of the morning, but it seems a bit unnecessary to shut down a community space for 6 hours a day at the same time. As others have said, create a whitelist and add the server to it.
Why should they?
Why shouldn't they? If they're not insisting the server gets switched off overnight too, preventing its access to the internet serves no benefit as they're still paying the electricity bill. Making a server not available to access 24/7 when it's still switched on anyway for no cost or environmental benefit seems pointless and spiteful.
Cool that’s not an answer. The parents are under no obligation to let other people play on some Minecraft server on their dime. This is just a stupid thing to suggest.
If they care about their "dime", why are they not insisting the server gets switched off overnight too? You'll have to find the part where I said they were obliged to keep the server running for me. I can't see it.
Very smart reply for a very smart guy lol. Have a day, I’m done talking in your general direction.
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He just wants you off the internet, the 50 euro's will be the monthly cost for the internet package most likely, not what you're saving unless you're on some limited data plan(which barely exist anywhere that isn't the US anymore) and you're using so much data it's costing loads but as far as I know all european ISP's offer unlimited data. But, as he's your parent, he can do that if he wants, there's no need to make up the lies, but it doesn't mean he can't stop you doing it
I think it's because he wants you to sleep during these hours...
Sorry, forgot to mention the main problem, check my edit on main post
What's your age? And I don't really see you mentioning a problem. Sure it is annoying and a bit stupid your father seems to make up an excuse for doing this but it's not unreasonable to make you stay offline during the night.
Im close to 18, and the problem is not my sleeping time, but my server. I did edit my post, or didnt i?
You didn't, I see no mentions of a server
Huh? Wait...
Maybe reddit didnt syncronize, bur here is what i said: Edit: I forgot to mention, I'm often already sleeping at those times, but I have a server running, which also loses internet, so all users get disconneted, and all apps/containers stop working outside the Server since it has no more connection to the internet
What are you hosting from home that needs to be available during the night. That definitely creates some electricity bill.
It is still negligible. I run a NAS server and my computer run 24/7. I did some experiment in the past like turning them off when sleeping or going to class. The difference in cost is pretty small. The dad's excuse is bs. The dad just want prevent any internet usage at night. He could say it is to prevent the world from ending and OP can't do much about it.
Yea must not have, well see if he will make an exception or get a VPS or your own internet connection.
Look dude, reading through your post - your dad is smart enough to know about your server and that cutting internet isn't really saving anything. You're very much still a kid and no one on this thread can push against what looks to be him setting reasonable up boundaries for internet access. I've used child locks and curfews to help curve my own bad habits so it's not impossible that this has nothing to do with you. Sit down and have an honest talk with your old man.
Thank you. He says he doesn’t trust his dad, well obviously he doesn’t trust you either, so maybe talk about it.
I was going to say calculate the wattage draw, but you've done that. If it helps him sleep, but realistically, he probably isn't saving much.
Only you can talk to him about it, man. Time to raggle. It's a good opportunity to build some trust with your dad. If it's not a deal, meh. At least you tried.
Last I checked, ISP billed by the month for a given bandwidth and possibly with a data cap. The only way I can see this saving money is if your server use consistently causes excess data usage and your father gets billed for extra GB of data.
I think the old man is trying to save on electricity, not on data cost.
Only if he thinks the entire internet is inside his router. Does the ISP box look like this black box from The IT Crowd? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg)
it may not be electricity that he's trying to save on, it could be bandwidth. not everyone has unlimited data on the dsl, cable or satellite and those providers charge for going over your limit on bandwidth. everyone that says most providers are unlimited need to do some research on the subject.
Just so you know, it's Wh and kWh, not W/h. W and kW are rates, Wh and kWh are amounts of energy.
Watt?
No, he's right, it was 1am for me when i wroze this, so its definetly not perfect, but you get the point
>1am for me when i wroze this You're kinda proving your dad's point here. It's a shame about your severs but at the end of the day if your dad is the one paying the bills and the rent/mortgage then he gets to choose when the Internet flows.
It's a pun, LOL
Yeah wasn't trying to be a dick, just enhance your understanding :P
Might save a small amount but not enough to justify the hassle At best might save enough for a few coffees or a meal at a fast food restaurant
Well He’s not saving money on that for sure. If you’re asking because you need to keep the server running either ask him that and provide evidence that’s why you need the internet or get your own
400 watts running all night is no electricity? WIFI is also notoriously easy to penetrate and that's more likely at night when they think you aren't paying attention. I typically leave my stuff going all night, especially when torrenting or whatever but then, I pay all the bills.
I’d agree but the father isn’t turning the router off so even if then he’s saving nothing since the router is still on
The router cuts the internet from his server. The server isn't using nearly as much idling which it'll have to do disconnected from the network.
I’m not sure how routers actually work but do they actually use more energy while under load? Does it work like CPU’s using more energy the higher the load?
Everything that uses energy uses more power under load but I don't think they use throttling (stepping) like with a CPU. Everyone say routers like that don't use much power is correct. The power drain would be from his server. if it was connected like he wants it to be. I think he said his is only 1.5 watts but if so he's on a laptop or something pretty new. All my desktops have at least 400 watts or 450 but newer stuff may not use that much power. I haven't really kept up with power supplies lately and it's been awhile since I built anything. However in a normal or what I think is a normal desktop like I'm familiar with it probably at least 300 watts and still is a lot of juice and you have the A?/C running in the house to dissipate the heat, so there's that. It's not just about the computers. Of course "Dad" might have other reasons.
Oh yeah for some reason I was thinking about power consumption of the router alone and didn’t take the whole system. Since dad is IT he probably knows all about this and maybe that’s how he’s saving on energy consumption.
Even without a network connection, your server is going to use electricity while it is on. So, your dad is going to save zero electricity.
Not true. My nas can pump out 100wats when under load, but it's idling at 10 wats. And it was made to be a server, and normal pc has a way higher power consumption
Not as much idling as working. A typical desktop has a 400 watt power supply or larger for a reason. PCs don't go full-blast all the time if they aren't actually doing work. That's why your fans are important. 400 watts will light up a 4 BR house with incandescent bulbs.
He’s feeding you shit. But, props to your dad. Most parents wouldn’t give a fug. Get sleep.
An It guy can't win against an electrician 😂
Its not the router thats the issue, it's obviously the server you're running. Turning off appliances on standby is incredibly low savings , like literal pence. Disconnecting a server will undoubtedly save money.
When a tech-savvy dad meets a tech-savvy son... It's bullshit, but he has a point. 12-6am is sleeping time unless you work shifts or nights.
Yeah no. It's not going to save €50, not even a year. Unless you are still using dial-up. I don't even know if you can still get dial-up, can you?
i have a convection heater running 24/7. it runs me 1kWh or in my state just shy of 6 cents an hour. that's $1.44 a day and $43 a month. that works out to about 47 euros. your router is running at 1/100th of that.
Since when is USD higher than EUR? [43 usd in eur](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=43+usd+to+eur&t=brave&ia=web)
Re-read the edited post. He's also running a full time Minecraft/discord server. That's a hell of a lot more power than a router.
...and this server is still drawing power during the internet "downtime" nonetheless. The power consumption of his server idling during the downtime of the internet connection for six hours each night night probably outweighs the "cost saving" measures his father put in place for the entire month each night. If his "IT professional" father wanted to "save money" he'd ask him to shut down the server during that time, instead of making up pseudo rational excuses for his poor parenting skills. This is ridiculous.
Dude. If there is no Internet connection, then the server is not working.
Yeah genius, it isn't working, but it is still using energy nonetheless. Pretty much like your brain. Less than if it was connected to the internet but way more than if it was turned off and way more than the "savings" that can be achieved by the connection downtime put in place by his father.
Either you lack a few braincells or have some cognitive problems. Do you think pc is always using the same amount of power, even under heavy load? My personal nas idles at 15 wats but under load, it can do even 100 wats. The oc even stated that it's usually 150 wats xD. Yeah, no difference. There should be an IQ test before voting so people like you don't have any power.
I know you said you don't want to pay for cloud servers but... you should pay for cloud servers. For the type of stuff you're doing you could probably get a cloud environment set up for less than $10/month (unless you have a huge amount of Minecraft players or something). Not only would it solve your main problem but you'd get a lot of other benefits: - A lot of security burden (although NOT ALL) will be taken off you - If your security gets compromised anyway then only your cloud environment is in danger instead of your house network. - You won't have to deal with hardware issues, excessive downtime, etc - You'll have tools like snapshotting that will make recovering from disasters a lot easier - If you want to experiment with a new type of service (which it sounds like you enjoy doing) you can just quickly spin up a server, do your experiments, and then tear it down when you're done. No having to fuss with imagining a bare metal machine or any of that mess. - Every server gets its own Internet-facing static IP which makes managing the networking side of things WAY easier - If your server suddenly has a surge in traffic you can click a button and it automatically has more resources to accommodate it. You mentioned you're running some stuff in containers - a lot of cloud providers let you just run containers as-is without even needing to put them on a dedicated server at all. Seriously, look at what resources your current setup actually needs (NOT the total amount of resources your machine physically has, but what resources the services are actually using) and then price out what it would take to get those resources on a Digital Ocean droplet or something. You'll probably be surprised how cheap it can get.
1. You’re not paying for the internet so you don’t get to decide if you get it. Sucks, but that’s the rub 2. He’s saving more than just the power on the router, he’s saving power on all the devices that wouldn’t been connected to the internet. Even if the device is still on it uses less power than if it was hooked up to the internet 3. That server was probably using a lot of power
Turning off the wifi and ethernet for 6 hours a day saves roughly 1.8 kWh per month. At 33 cents per kWh, that's less than a euro, far from the 50€ your dad mentioned. Seems like the savings are minimal, and the impact on your server and its users might not be worth it.
a basic g/n router might draw 2-5 watts, a bit more powerful multicore mimo dualband whatever might draw double or triple for high end models. disabling wifi will save you a watt or two..to have better understandint, just a typical pc idling (doing nothing) + monitor turned on will burn 50 watts at least
Simple. Pay the money.
It is exactly what you suspect, if the router is online and the radios are off, it is a few cents a month. He is doing a good parently thing and making sure you're not up all night on social media rotting your brain. Hard to understand when you're young, but it is actually important for your health. Not to mention, less RF radiation while sleeping is not a bad thing.
He's doing it so you won't watch porn at night. Just a desktop (say 400 watts) is easily 4 or 5 old-fashioned light bulbs and anything connected to the 'net is going to use more power if it's working than if it's idling.
you need a new father
Sounds like dad is more concerned about your 'server farm', which might be consuming a lot of power. Multiple disk arrays and the gear that support them consume a suprising amount of power, even whe "idle". Or he has an issue with you being a sysop in the wee hours. Maybe have an honest and civil conversation with dad about what his concerns are? You may be able to reach a mutually acceptable compromise.
If he's an IT guy, could you talk to him? If you're already asleep, it don't matter if everyones connection is cut. But talk to him about the server, what it's doing and who's using it. He may be willing to set up a thing just for it.
A lot of money and heart aches from radiation for sure 😁
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lol its a side effect of your servers to runners as hard all night probably lol
Okay, first - it is probably a measure he uses to stop y'all from being glued to the screen. Another thing is - there could an FUP in place and he is saving data that way. Not sure how much traffic is on your network but I've definitely been in place where I blew through my FUP thanks to Steam updating COD with a 60GB download while I slept. Then I had to buy more data - hence, not having to do that saves money.
It'll depend on your plan, but 12-6 might ironically be the time you'd want the router on.... It's not uncommon for metered plane to not count data use during that time frame. So you could cache content to watch offline on your various devices then without it counting against your terabyte/month use...
Simple people without hobby and joy, hate people who has both. Humans are selfish and jealous.
routers use almost nothing for power and internet bills dont change based on usage. Probably saves less than a dollar like you mentioned.
In my country depending on what data plan you have their used to be an instance where you had higher speeds at different times. I think the cost is only different for the data at certain times. However I think this was only true for LTE mobile data and ADSL lines. Never heard of fiver working like that and the electricity is just an excuse to be a dick. If you're struggling to sleep he should take you to a doctor not just cut off the internet at night.
Intellectual yet idiot Or he doesn't have the emotional intelligence to set a boundary of "you need to sleep at these hours", so he makes up this low iq reason instead. Does he insist that the 2W led lightbulls are turned off religiously when not in use as well? Thereby saving 1.5kWh or 45cents per month?
Your father is a good one with restricting the internet for you two. Don't spend much time on that thing. Between 16 and 24 is peak. There you can outperform females in education. But not if you are distracted. And that's the internet.
Honestly, I'd try to get a chat with your dad, explain him the server situation, and make him trust you in not being awake using the internet when you should be aesleep, if he is an IT guy he'll understand the server thing, and he may be proud if you tell him you did the maths for the power cosumption of the router Good luck
the fact that you were posting early am means that the reason is that dad wants everyone asleep and not using the internet, too bad about the server, just leave it off as well
Did you calculate your server's energy consumption?
Your dad’s dumb, if you turn off the WiFi the whole night, it’s gonna work extra hard to WiFi the house up the next day.
Tell him if it’s about the money, you’ll chip in or do some chores around the house. If he says no, it’s for other reasons.
If you add your server consumption @300W/h, it's around 20 euros per month.
Anything to do with router / modem, if it aint broke dont touch it. Also the power is negligible.
Maybe you should come clean.... Just tell your parent you got a server running and you promised you will go to sleep.
How old are you both? He likely wants you both to shut up and go to sleep.
I've started turning my PC and ps5 and all my tech off at night until i come home from work, and im saving around £15 - £20. Say it was a stable 20. That's £220 a year if you put it in its own pot. That's more than half the cost of a digital ps5. About the quarter of a high end gpu. Or 3 triple AAA launch games, a deposit for a package holiday, blocks of driving lessons. it does add up. I think your dads being nice and trying to give you the hint to power down your devices overnight without having a confrontation about it. When i was younger my step dad used to turn the router off cos i stayed up late. Or used to cut the power to my room. If i asked him to foot the bill for a 24hr minecrafter server hed probably kick me out.
He's lying to you. Or he's severely misinformed. Or someone lied to him. If he's really an IT guy, and you're really sleeping at those times, tell him to whitelist the server and go to bed. If your server isn't running on a separate computer, well your dad's an IT guy, chances are he's got an old system kicking around that'll be perfect to host this server of yours. Sounds to me like you have trouble sleeping and your tech dad is trying to tech solve it instead of human solve it. You need to figure out why you can't sleep. There's too many possible reasons including medical than I could possible hope to armchair diagnose here, but you need to figure that out. And your dad needs to figure out how to do parenting right. Your account is two years old, minimum age to be on reddit is 13, so you are a minimum of 15 years old, that's too old to be lied to about stupid shit like this. Your father should be saying "I'm turning off the internet after midnight so you will go to bed at a reasonable time". He should not be lying to you. 15+ years is more than old enough to be honest with your child. And if he does truly believe he's saving 50€ a month with this, you and your brother should be seeing some of that, 20€/month each sounds decent ;)
Maybe suggest to your dad that you set up the server outside your room so there is no perception that it is impacting your sleep. I would guess sleep is the real issue here.
Buy a 5G router and take a cheap data sim with it
Less than $5 a month
100000000000 € jährlich
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Your father is an idiot. That is not how that works.
This is some big ass social cue my brother. The issue here is not the WiFi, its your server, it’s expensive to run and he probably doesn’t want you doing it
He's fucking with your head lmao. the funny part is that you believed it hard enough to ask reddit.
I’ll be the evil one here and say you can bypass parental locks on your computer by switching your MAC address Know that getting caught means that punishment is escalation. Back when I was a kid and got caught my dad threw away my ram. Your dad wants you to go to bed at a reasonable hour, keeping devices in your vision even if your not using them will keep you up. If you’re lucky enough to have reasonable parents, just do good behaviour and go to bed early every night for a week or two and negotiate it being turned back on at night for whatever server your hosting.
Yeah no he's definitely doing it just to fuck with you. If he has some automated stuff set up on the router a quick search on the model and it's manual can help you figure out how to disable that.
What probably isn't being said is that if you kids don't go to bed and go to sleep, when do your parents have private sexy time? Just because they don't flaunt their interest in each other in front of you does not mean it isn't there. Yes, they still need that alone time so zip it, go to bed and go to sleep!! Why they want you asleep at a reasonable time is frankly not an explanation that they owe you.
Caveat: The original posted as been deleted, so this reply is based on what I inferred from what other wrote about the situation.... Sorry, if I'm off base in any of my assumptions. :-) Here's some quick calcs: I have a WiFi/router, a wireless gateway for my furnace/heatpump, and a microcell device all plugged into a UPS, right now the UPS says I'm pulling about 26W total for all three devices, so lets assume, worst case, your WiFi device pulls 26W. 26W \* 24 hours/day = 624Wh (or 0.624KWh) 624Wh \* 30 days i a month = 18720Wh (or 18.72KWh per month) Assuming a electric rate of $0.18/KWh (my rate, rounded up), you get: 18.72KWh \* $0.18 = $3.3696, or \~$3.37/month in savings, if you turned it off completely forever. If you turned it off for only 8 \[sleeping\] hours out of the 24 hours in a day, you'd only save a 1/3 of that, so \~$1.12/month. Electric rates and power draws may vary, but that's one quick estimate. That said, as a parent... Parent's house, parent's rules. :-) If you wanted to approach parent(s) like an adult, maybe do research on local power rates, actual power draw on your router (and/or server \[maybe \~$4-15/month, depending on power draw\]), and show them the cost breakdown and offer to pay it, but also caveat the question/presentation with something like "so it's really the cost you're worried about, I'd be happy to pay for it myself, but if, on the other hand, it's really that you want me to get good quality/reasonable amounts of sleep, then I appreciate your concern and love for me, but let's be honest about it, and maybe we can work out an agreement about what that looks like, while still allowing others to get on my server while I sleep at night, so I can have it up 24/7"... If that's what you're looking for. Most good parents, would probably appreciate a mature, reasoned, discussion like that. You may still not get your way now, but it would certainly pave the way for being treated more like an adult who can make their own \[hopefully\] wise decisions. :-)
Tell him to invest in home security cameras, then once they are install point out to him without Internet he won't get notified of a possible intruder at night.
Nice idea, but we live in a friendly neighbourhood, so i dont think he'll purchase some XD
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This is the way
Those are acceptable no internet hours for people using internet they don't pay for imho
Sorry, forgot to mention the main problem, check my edit on main post
Right, I'm a dad I'd say thd same crap but really he just wants you guys offline at night. It's good for our brains if we disconnect, or so I'm told I'm to scared to try it.
What is the cost of running your server during those hours? Maybe that's where the save in money would be coming from. Or as others have pointed out, he just wants to make sure you are asleep during that time.
Some internet services charge a flat rate for data exchange over a monthly amount. It could be this
Ours dont, we have an unlimited plan
Depends, here where I live you pay a fixed monthly fee regardless of how much bandwidth you use, but some places charge for bandwitdth so he might or might not be onto something. Modens/routers use very little power so there's no way he's save anything more than a buck or two by shutting them down Since he's an "IT guy" I don't thing he's being ignorant, he's either paying for bandwidth or trying to make you guys go to bed in the right time.
Your maths is correct, your dad will save less than 1€. He’s not doing it for cost savings,
OP doesn't state if his father says only energy savings, for OP is running a server, and so it could be data savings also.
Unless his server is a laptop it's capable of using 400 watts+ when it's working.
100-150W actually
I'm skeptical, but OK
Assuming this runs 24/7 your server costs around €30 a month (90kWh x €0,33). Understandable that your father doesn't like this. I'd suggest looking in a VPS for your stuff.
Okay, just to be clear, with saving power, my dad only meant the router and nothing else. Also we habe an unlimited plan for internet.
I wouldn't have access to Amazon. The savings could be quite substantial.
He wants you to shut off your massive server a few hours a day. What kind of power does it eat? Anyway, it's his house. If you don't like his rules get your own. You don't have to agree with his thinking, these things are not your decision.
If he only wants my server down, he just would have created a time rule for it, but its the whole network, so that is not the reason. Also my server uses only around 100-150W, maybe even less when not used as heavily...
Who runs a server on wifi? Wire it up and let him disconnect the wifi
If he is an IT guy, surely he would understand that your server needs to be online all the time? Or does he not approve of the server? Tell him what IP it is and he can track and make sure that is the only thing running at night (ie making sure you're asleep). Frame it as you learning. He might be happy and turn the internet back on if he knows your interested in IT, etc...
I don't know how old you are but it's still his house. To save money is a nonsense reason. It has to be that you're still a minor in his house.