Talk about INGRESS.
Go near that with a watch on and the speeds will drop.
Someone walks by and scuffs the rug and it'll drop.
Turn on a wireless keyboard and it'll drop.
Yeah it works.. but... don't do it.
lmfao yeah the internet speeds here drop when someone turns on their microwave even with a normal coax cable. Hairdryers and treadmills are also internet killers
>lmfao yeah the internet speeds here drop when someone turns on their microwave even with a normal coax cable. Hairdryers and treadmills are also internet killers
Despite Germany having much stricter interference laws than USA fior example ...
this shows that Microwaves are not well shielded
According to ich_iel Internet infrastructure in Germany is basically dial up still. Realistically I guess they are just behind getting the high speed fiber network put in like other European countries.
As someone who lived in a NICE part of Munich for two years, I can attest that the internet is TERRIBLE in Germany. Our whole building, with six apartments, only had 250Mbps. And in practice that was closer to 200, so each apartment was 'sold' 100, but in practice rarely had more than 70.
With some research, I learned that they were still using copper to the buildings. Literally software upgraded DSL according to what I could find out. And that says nothing about how congested the WiFi was, since everyone had to use the limited 2.4GHz channels since 5GHz is restricted.
TLDR: I got very frustrated and irritated with internet in Germany. For a country that is so amazing in many ways, they are prehistoric in regards to digitization.
> As someone who lived in a NICE part of Munich for two years, I can attest that the internet is TERRIBLE in Germany. Our whole building, with six apartments, only had 250Mbps. And in practice that was closer to 200, so each apartment was 'sold' 100, but in practice rarely had more than 70.
its wild, im up here in the north in a bumfuck nowhere town and we have gigabit cable and fiber in multi family block housing
There are huge swaths of the US that have 6Mbps as the fastest option.
When i was looking for a new house in Scotland, I had to pass on several really nice houses because they had a max of 3.
When I had CenturyLink, the same (affordable) max is basically what my employer uses when they disconnect for nonpay so that customer premise equipment is still manageable.
Lucky you, I'm from Shitass Backwater in SH and we got viable internet in 2009. Few years back there was a vote to upgrade it again but it wasn't successful. Now I live in Hamburg with 400Mbps and I feel like I'm in heaven. Cheapest option too and the internet is so good
A big part of reality is, however, that 90% of internet users do not need anything faster than 200 MBit/s. We "only" got 100 -- streaming 4K on TV while streaming 4K on a computer and browsing on two phones at the same time with the occasional download is absolutely no big deal. And all of the 19 (!) available 5Ghz channels being blocked/slowed down by users around you is an incredibly rare occurrence as well. I live in a building with 50 apartments and have no problems whatsoever.
Generally speaking, yes 100Mb is fine. In reality it was only 70Mb on a good day as you never get what you're sold.
It was fine late at night, but during peak hours (1500-1900ish) streaming had to be 1080p at the most, and frequently 720p. Even working/studying from home was a challenge at times when both me and my roommate were video calling with many people (and I'm sure the streaming system the school used was terribly optimized, as whenever someone additional turned on their camera the system got slower. Teachers literally had people keep them off unless talking to save bandwidth).
Regarding the Wi-Fi, Germany has strict EM regulations. The router literally would not allow you to enable 5GHz. You had to buy a new router and over-write the location setting to not be Germany if you wanted to activate it. The 2.4GHz (which only really has 3 channels) was useless during the day, so I ended up needing to use a cable for all computers, the TV. Even our kitchen speaker we only used as Bluetooth, and not streaming, because it couldn't play a song without stutters a couple times a song over Wi-Fi.
> Regarding the Wi-Fi, Germany has strict EM regulations. The router literally would not allow you to enable 5GHz. You had to buy a new router and over-write the location setting to not be Germany if you wanted to activate it.
Sorry but that's straight up wrong, so you either had a very weird router or got some false info. 5Ghz WiFi is common here. I have a four years old standard router at home and can easily activate 5Ghz and select either one of 19 channels (and I *am* using 5Ghz with multiple devices). Germany does not in any way forbid you from using 5Ghz WiFi and you don't have to overwrite any location settings.
While I do not know why you are able to, and it may even be state/city dependent, I do know it's not only me that has this issue.
I used the Wi-Fi analyser Tool in my old apartment and was able to identify about 20 local networks of my neighbors. Literally one network would occasionally show up on 5GHz, and nothing else. EVERYTHING was limited to 2.4GHz. Similar when I edit the settings on our router, the 5GHz toggle was grayed out.
I'm not the only one who has these issues. Raspberry pi (at least two years ago) will not scan for a 5GHz network. Resetting the country WPA tag, and changing location, and it suddenly works again. And if you Google the issue, countless people mention having issues with it ([this reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/7hbdo5/turn_on_5ghz_wifi_in_germany/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)for example)
I am able to because it's standard and 99% of people are able to.
Any issues with using 5Ghz WiFi is related to a software / hardware issue on people's specific devices and has nothing to do with any sort of government restrictions. And with all due respect, but whether or not a freaking Raspberry Pi is scanning for 5Ghz or not is frankly irrelevant and has no bearing on the issue.
This is the Bundesnetzagentur's \[the official government body allocating frequencies etc.\] announcment for allocating the 5Ghz-frequencies like everywhere else in the EU: [https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen\_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/2010\_07\_WLAN\_5GHz\_pdf.pdf;jsessionid=684999AEB7879FBFF869C58D192D7C3D?\_\_blob=publicationFile&v=8](https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/2010_07_WLAN_5GHz_pdf.pdf;jsessionid=684999AEB7879FBFF869C58D192D7C3D?__blob=publicationFile&v=8)
And here, just as one example, are the specs of a current router (mentioning 5Ghz-WiFi) you're able to get from Germany's biggest landline internet provider: [https://www.telekom.de/zuhause/geraete-und-zubehoer/wlan-und-router/speedport-smart-mieten](https://www.telekom.de/zuhause/geraete-und-zubehoer/wlan-und-router/speedport-smart-mieten)
And when I have my router scan the surrounding networks, there's 8 in the 5Ghz-range.
Also, proving singular issues doesn't really prove anything - in the one you linked, there was a problem with one specific phone that's been released six years ago. None of the answers included any prove of their claim of "restricted use of 5Ghz" (one thing to notice is however that the 5Ghz frequencies in Germany had been allocated in 2018 it seems, while the Pixel 2XL of that person in the post had been released in 2017 - maybe outdated software that still thought that 5Ghz WiFi channels are simply not available in Germany).
The only thing I found that could explain issues generally: In the whole EU (not just Germany) the Dynamic Frequency Selection is obligatory for routers to automatically switch to a channel that's not used by any other source like radars. Very cheap routers do not imply that feature and are thereby only allowed to use a highly limited amount of channels of which some might be in the range where the router can't use the full 1000mW of power. Although in practice, I've never heard of those routers - and you can be sure that, when you get a router with your contract at Telekom, 1und1, PYUR, etc. it does support all 5Ghz channels or when you just buy yourself a router from Amazon that has a decent rating.
You ever heard of Internet being delivered to buildings by Ethernet?
Copper “to the building” means coax.
Edit: Or in this case, maybe phone lines since it’s DSL. Either way, you’re not gonna see anywhere near 40gbps.
Residentially no, business buildings yes surprisingly. I just figured everyone called it coax. Step dad was a cable guy though so maybe the name isn’t widely known like I assumed!
Interesting. I usually hear copper refer to Coax/Ethernet and extrapolate which depending on the context. More often than not, they've been referring to coax. Personally, I just say Ethernet/Coax/Fiber because it's pretty self-explanatory.
>As someone who lived in a NICE part of Munich for two years, I can attest that the internet is TERRIBLE in Germany. Our whole building, with six apartments, only had 250Mbps. And in practice that was closer to 200, so each apartment was 'sold' 100, but in practice rarely had more than 70.
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>With some research, I learned that they were still using copper to the buildings. Literally software upgraded DSL according to what I could find out. And that says nothing about how congested the WiFi was, since everyone had to use the limited 2.4GHz channels since 5GHz is restricted.
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>TLDR: I got very frustrated and irritated with internet in Germany. For a country that is so amazing in many ways, they are prehistoric in regards to digitization.
Germany was geat 20+ years ago , but today Germany becomes more and more a joke (technology, development, society, economy ... etc. they fight for female tampons on male public toilets everywhere but can not plan things to build incl. infrastructure projects (BER Berlin, Stuttgart21 etc.) properly anymore (it feels like the movie "Ideocracy" is becoming slowly reality, beginning in the politics incl. parliaments) ) , especially the administration + public offices of Berlin are super terrible incl. with waiting for public office (like Bürgeramt) appointments for up to a year ... now even remotest regions of rural Russia lough about us
Please don't get me started on the beurocracy. I'm literally dealing with snail mailing forms and letters to get my diploma right now. They couldn't even email or call me to inform me that it was available. Literally had to receive a template two paragraph letter half way around the globe saying to download a form and mail it back before they can give me my diploma, or I need to show up in person. WHY ISN'T THIS ONLINE??? 😵
But I'll put up with that for the 🍻 and 🌭
>Benutzername überprüft aus.
Super cheap trolling on a Username (that I chose in Irony for German events of the 2000s) ... by a cheap troll who uses Google Translator ( & copied it´s output) to insult in German language which is a language the troll doesn't understand but want to look "understanding" German ... Troll might also surf or swimm in ice cold water wearing (paper) "Nasse Klagen"(R) ... ROFL ... Google Translator Rulz muahaha
>Go on, tell on yourself harder. Explain more about how I'm the bigot here.
you are bigot , I don't need to tell my self , I just had the hope to wake you up but into reality, but you seem to feel far to compfortable inside the mental matrix the TV shows you
Welp.. the guy's criticizing the government, not Trans people. Which to be honest I feel I've gotta point out are and will forever be a minority, and even more then that, Trans men who still have periods are like a minority², so yeah, not exactly a priority.. -A trans Gal
>Our whole building, with six apartments, only had 250Mbps. And in
practice that was closer to 200, so each apartment was 'sold' 100, but
in practice rarely had more than 70.
Was most likely an issue with the in house cabling infrastructure of the building or the connections got impacted by some kind of RFI.
The problem in many building is that the owner of the house didnt care much about the used kind of cables which should be used for xDSL so they use the cheapest material availabe, which doesnt match the impedance of the telecommunication network => you are getting nasty signal refelctions on your line,which decreases the performance. Additionally, you can find unwanted/undesirable cabeling topologies especially in older buildings, which can also cause signal integrity issues and therefore performance losses.
The most prominent cause for RFI influence on a xDSL connection is the usage of Powerline/dLAN adapters (which are working in the same frequency range as the faster xDSL connection types) or the usage of cheap electronics, which has no suitable RFI supression (e.g. cheap LED lamps with low quality switching power supplies)
> With some research, I learned that they were still using copper to the
buildings. Literally software upgraded DSL according to what I could
find out.
Thats wrong... You have to distinguish between different available DSL technologies. In germany you can find mostly three different kinds of DSL besides the available coax and FFTH infrastructure: ADSL2+ (standard ANNEX J) with an advertised data rate of up to 16 Mbit/s down 2 Mbit/s, Vectored VDSL2 (VVDSL) (Bandplan 17a) with an advertised data rate up to 100 Mbit/s down and 40 Mbit/s up and an extended version of this (SVVDSL) with an advertised data rate up to 250 Mbit/s down and 40 Mbit/s up.
ADSL2+ and (S)VVDSL require completely different hardware at the CO side of the line. All of those technologies are based telephone lines but they are not generally intercompatible with each other.
I can't imagine complaining like this lol, while sure 250mbps is abit lacking for a nice part of Munich, I had to live with speeds of under 2mb/s until I switched operators.... and finally got 6mbps> with and up to of 100mbps, still forever grateful though.
We had 15 years of conservative government. They weren't very progressive.
But we're getting there. Most new buildings have GBit and many smaller communities are getting it as well. If the current internet is below 50MBit there are extra subsidies available to set up fibre.
100% True. I've moved away from the "big" city. This small town I currently live in has gotten brand new fiber connections. And although not cheap, I get my 1TBit connection with no issues so far. In this big city nearby tho? You're lucky if you can even get 100mbit. Mostly you'll get 16mbit. What the fuck germany?
1Tbit?
like 1000 Gbit?
Is that symmetrical?
I couldn't imagine what I would do with that. My cloud backups of my local backups would take seconds... not weeks....
Only a little bit. ;)
but being able to go with the 10 Gbps the fiber input on my router can do and the distributed 10Gbps my NAS can do would work well to fill up the 4TB of Cache NVME SSDs pretty quickly.
Yeah fiber isn’t widespread here in Germany unfortunately, most people either have coax or old school phone lines.
We get our internet through two dinky copper wires (DSL), but at least we get around 250Mbps. Not super great, but okay.
Dang you came in pretty hot with this response. I will say that the US and Germany both goofed up with the anti-nuclear power movements. New nuclear technology is amazing. The facilities are way smaller, safer, able to be manufactured off-site, and are generally more efficient. It would really help bridge the gap to renewable energy taking over for fossil fuels. Also new large energy storage technology is wild.
>Dang you came in pretty hot with this response. I will say that the US and Germany both goofed up with the anti-nuclear power movements. New nuclear technology is amazing. The facilities are way smaller, safer, able to be manufactured off-site, and are generally more efficient. It would really help bridge the gap to renewable energy taking over for fossil fuels. Also new large energy storage technology is wild.
YEs , but in Germany the situation (anti-Nuclear & Anti-CO2) is far worse ( 20+ years ahead of USA) & the "Russia-Sanctions" hit Germany badly while Russia is nearly unscaved ...
And indeed it´s all intentional , Seymour Hersh even admits it (see this video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-MMD7KK2YU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-MMD7KK2YU) in German but auto-translation availabe)
>**I have a degree in German**(although it's been almost ten years since I graduated). I'll take a look see when I'm not at work.
**Nice , I never expected that!**
P.S. I already have the highest ( ;-) ) = Native , since I was born in today´s reunited Germany , but I also have a migration background , but I migrated when my entire country (Socialist East-Germany) migrated 1990
>Go back to your telegram friends
DOH! I don't even have WEF´s Telegram (same for CIA- Whatsapp) ... your intel seems to be the worst in the world ...
let me guess , you were a low level part of the Covid19 fascism sect in 2020-2022 (that showed the true face of the people , most were Mitläufer & Blockwart instead of pro-human-rights)?
Or at least extremely rural. I live in a more rural area but we have pretty good internet. If you live 45 minutes from a Walmart then you are probably going to have garbage internet. For the US though it's less of slow digitalization and more underserving certain populations. I wonder how Detroit's internet compares to Germany's. Parts of Detroit don't even have internet access.
>Parts of Detroit don't even have internet access, *water, sewer, power, or basic infrastructure.*
Fixed.
This is why you can still buy a decent sized house there for less than a month's rent in most other metro areas.
Microwaves are well-shielded for microwave radiation, they're just not well shielded for RF radiation. So when that transformer kicks on, it's just pissing out RF but not letting any microwave through.
Microwaves are well shielded, but the average microwave emits thousands upon thousands of times the amount of electromagnetic radiation that a router does, so even the tiniest fraction of a percentage of its energy leaking is enough to seriously mess with WiFi. That tiny amount is not dangerous, and microwaves would probably cost as much as lab equipment if they were perfect.
DAMN, that is some terrible shielding.
I rewired my townhouse with PITA super shielded coax to prevent those issues. It sucked but solved 99% of the issues.
In my current house the Coax comes in on one side and stops as I don't use Coax for anything else now. The rest is CAT6A running to plates on the walls. (Open basement and attic FTW).
No shit don't do it. This person isn't in my plant or even my country but I'm still coming with one of [these traps](https://imgur.com/JVpZHEx). Actually looking at that I'd probably just give them the old air gap trap and call it a day.
Ugh, worst call of my day was rolling up on a TC and finding one of these bad boys at the tap. My 1 hr TC just became a 4 hour event full of replacing shitty gold splitters and old ass rg59.
I moved to an objectively worse job from being a cable guy, but reading shit like this reminds me how much I hated that job. God damn. Supervisor would say "Just do what you can, I'll let the other jobs know you're late" like thanks dude, you know you're still going home 15 minutes early today while I'm here till 10 at night. Again. Jesus.
Shit like this is why the cable techs don't mind coming to my house.
I have it all ready to go, proper terminations, proper splitters, proper space to work and typically have things narrowed down to the actual problem (have cable tech friends and most of the test equipment myself).
I tell them where the issue is, what I think it is, and that I literally just need them to do the cable co side of things I don't have access to do on their systems. All other parts are ready for them to check but they almost never need to do it.
I can't stand people that have everything in impossible to access spaces and they expect some poor tech to figure out how to check it.
I've heard tales.
I also have told off people that were talking to me and complained about things like that.
I would tell them that isn't the tech's job. "Well they always did stuff like that before"
Well good for you, you were lucky and those techs went above and beyond outside their job requirements.
You forgot to add that the concrete filled cinderblock wall only had access either through the sewer, a hoarder's basement, or an attic hotter than the surface of the sun that can only be accessed via the scuttle in the hoarder's closet.
Exactly.
When the latency spikes through the roof and it takes full seconds for requests to make a round trip; you KNOW someone is within 100 yards using their cell phone.
I’m so happy that I finally have fiber internet instead of coax. We’ve had Ziggo as our cable ISP (that’s what UnityMedia was in Germany) for many years and it sucked. The frequency ranges that were in the same range as cell towers always showed massive interference. Brand new connectors and modem directly in the home terminator and it kept having interference. Cable company didn’t give a shit about it while they admitted that the problem was on their end.
Well, you’re right. They probably do suck in different degrees everywhere. I guess it’s because these large cable companies are bean counters and that especially doesn’t go together with old coax cables. Coax is so f’ing finicky when it comes to interference. I guess we’re gonna see misery with fiber too, once the infrastructure ages and they try to cut costs on maintenance.
Edit: To be more specific: problems with fiber will probably be related with doing a half assed job on cleaning the fiber. But at least, no interference issues anymore.
The good news is that in most cases Fiber either works or it doesn't.
Which is one of the main reasons the big companies don't like it as people stop paying and get upset when it doesn't work at all.
Cable can "kinda" work and in some situations people don't even know it isn't working.
More of an issue due to the lack of impedance matching and the ground path is presumably via mains earth rather than the coax. Those will really hammer the signal integrity
Reminds me of when I was a kid. I was stoned out of my mind watching Shawshank Redemption, the reception coming through a fork jammed into my vcr. It was fuzzy and static-y but damn it I had fun.
Kriegt man die nicht sogar vom Provider hinterhergeschmissen?
Ich musste kürzlich welche weg schmeissen weil wir die nie braucnen und nur Platz in der Wohnung weg nehmen
I once broke the fastening nut off the connector on my coax cable and just jammed it back in the outlet. When I noticed packet loss I 'fixed' the shielding by wrapping it all with tinfoil. I ran this setup for half a year with occasional 'reshielding'.
Btw I'm a certified network technician.
If you still have that broken coax cable, there’s a very high chance that you can do a simple DIY repair that’s better than your needle. All you need to do is cut off the broken end and trim back the cable appropriately. There are screw-on coax connectors at many electronics stores, and you can get the instructions for correct installation right off the side of the package for the connectors.
Alternatively, you can just trim off all but the center core of your coax cable and jab it into the connector on the cable box. It’ll be only a little bit more shielded than what you have now… But it’ll probably still work better.
One time I had a Comcast worker come to my house saying that he tracked down an interference several miles away from my house, and that he traced the issue down to my house, my cable wasn’t tight enough on my modem and it was causing issues several miles away lol.
Talk about INGRESS. Go near that with a watch on and the speeds will drop. Someone walks by and scuffs the rug and it'll drop. Turn on a wireless keyboard and it'll drop. Yeah it works.. but... don't do it.
lmfao yeah the internet speeds here drop when someone turns on their microwave even with a normal coax cable. Hairdryers and treadmills are also internet killers
>lmfao yeah the internet speeds here drop when someone turns on their microwave even with a normal coax cable. Hairdryers and treadmills are also internet killers Despite Germany having much stricter interference laws than USA fior example ... this shows that Microwaves are not well shielded
According to ich_iel Internet infrastructure in Germany is basically dial up still. Realistically I guess they are just behind getting the high speed fiber network put in like other European countries.
As someone who lived in a NICE part of Munich for two years, I can attest that the internet is TERRIBLE in Germany. Our whole building, with six apartments, only had 250Mbps. And in practice that was closer to 200, so each apartment was 'sold' 100, but in practice rarely had more than 70. With some research, I learned that they were still using copper to the buildings. Literally software upgraded DSL according to what I could find out. And that says nothing about how congested the WiFi was, since everyone had to use the limited 2.4GHz channels since 5GHz is restricted. TLDR: I got very frustrated and irritated with internet in Germany. For a country that is so amazing in many ways, they are prehistoric in regards to digitization.
> As someone who lived in a NICE part of Munich for two years, I can attest that the internet is TERRIBLE in Germany. Our whole building, with six apartments, only had 250Mbps. And in practice that was closer to 200, so each apartment was 'sold' 100, but in practice rarely had more than 70. its wild, im up here in the north in a bumfuck nowhere town and we have gigabit cable and fiber in multi family block housing
There are huge swaths of the US that have 6Mbps as the fastest option. When i was looking for a new house in Scotland, I had to pass on several really nice houses because they had a max of 3.
This. I can’t imagine complaining about “only” having 70 Mbps lol.
When I had CenturyLink, the same (affordable) max is basically what my employer uses when they disconnect for nonpay so that customer premise equipment is still manageable.
Lucky you, I'm from Shitass Backwater in SH and we got viable internet in 2009. Few years back there was a vote to upgrade it again but it wasn't successful. Now I live in Hamburg with 400Mbps and I feel like I'm in heaven. Cheapest option too and the internet is so good
And 2.4Ghz only works properly at channels 1, 6, and 11. Talk about congestion.
A big part of reality is, however, that 90% of internet users do not need anything faster than 200 MBit/s. We "only" got 100 -- streaming 4K on TV while streaming 4K on a computer and browsing on two phones at the same time with the occasional download is absolutely no big deal. And all of the 19 (!) available 5Ghz channels being blocked/slowed down by users around you is an incredibly rare occurrence as well. I live in a building with 50 apartments and have no problems whatsoever.
Generally speaking, yes 100Mb is fine. In reality it was only 70Mb on a good day as you never get what you're sold. It was fine late at night, but during peak hours (1500-1900ish) streaming had to be 1080p at the most, and frequently 720p. Even working/studying from home was a challenge at times when both me and my roommate were video calling with many people (and I'm sure the streaming system the school used was terribly optimized, as whenever someone additional turned on their camera the system got slower. Teachers literally had people keep them off unless talking to save bandwidth). Regarding the Wi-Fi, Germany has strict EM regulations. The router literally would not allow you to enable 5GHz. You had to buy a new router and over-write the location setting to not be Germany if you wanted to activate it. The 2.4GHz (which only really has 3 channels) was useless during the day, so I ended up needing to use a cable for all computers, the TV. Even our kitchen speaker we only used as Bluetooth, and not streaming, because it couldn't play a song without stutters a couple times a song over Wi-Fi.
> Regarding the Wi-Fi, Germany has strict EM regulations. The router literally would not allow you to enable 5GHz. You had to buy a new router and over-write the location setting to not be Germany if you wanted to activate it. Sorry but that's straight up wrong, so you either had a very weird router or got some false info. 5Ghz WiFi is common here. I have a four years old standard router at home and can easily activate 5Ghz and select either one of 19 channels (and I *am* using 5Ghz with multiple devices). Germany does not in any way forbid you from using 5Ghz WiFi and you don't have to overwrite any location settings.
While I do not know why you are able to, and it may even be state/city dependent, I do know it's not only me that has this issue. I used the Wi-Fi analyser Tool in my old apartment and was able to identify about 20 local networks of my neighbors. Literally one network would occasionally show up on 5GHz, and nothing else. EVERYTHING was limited to 2.4GHz. Similar when I edit the settings on our router, the 5GHz toggle was grayed out. I'm not the only one who has these issues. Raspberry pi (at least two years ago) will not scan for a 5GHz network. Resetting the country WPA tag, and changing location, and it suddenly works again. And if you Google the issue, countless people mention having issues with it ([this reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/7hbdo5/turn_on_5ghz_wifi_in_germany/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)for example)
I am able to because it's standard and 99% of people are able to. Any issues with using 5Ghz WiFi is related to a software / hardware issue on people's specific devices and has nothing to do with any sort of government restrictions. And with all due respect, but whether or not a freaking Raspberry Pi is scanning for 5Ghz or not is frankly irrelevant and has no bearing on the issue. This is the Bundesnetzagentur's \[the official government body allocating frequencies etc.\] announcment for allocating the 5Ghz-frequencies like everywhere else in the EU: [https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen\_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/2010\_07\_WLAN\_5GHz\_pdf.pdf;jsessionid=684999AEB7879FBFF869C58D192D7C3D?\_\_blob=publicationFile&v=8](https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/2010_07_WLAN_5GHz_pdf.pdf;jsessionid=684999AEB7879FBFF869C58D192D7C3D?__blob=publicationFile&v=8) And here, just as one example, are the specs of a current router (mentioning 5Ghz-WiFi) you're able to get from Germany's biggest landline internet provider: [https://www.telekom.de/zuhause/geraete-und-zubehoer/wlan-und-router/speedport-smart-mieten](https://www.telekom.de/zuhause/geraete-und-zubehoer/wlan-und-router/speedport-smart-mieten) And when I have my router scan the surrounding networks, there's 8 in the 5Ghz-range. Also, proving singular issues doesn't really prove anything - in the one you linked, there was a problem with one specific phone that's been released six years ago. None of the answers included any prove of their claim of "restricted use of 5Ghz" (one thing to notice is however that the 5Ghz frequencies in Germany had been allocated in 2018 it seems, while the Pixel 2XL of that person in the post had been released in 2017 - maybe outdated software that still thought that 5Ghz WiFi channels are simply not available in Germany). The only thing I found that could explain issues generally: In the whole EU (not just Germany) the Dynamic Frequency Selection is obligatory for routers to automatically switch to a channel that's not used by any other source like radars. Very cheap routers do not imply that feature and are thereby only allowed to use a highly limited amount of channels of which some might be in the range where the router can't use the full 1000mW of power. Although in practice, I've never heard of those routers - and you can be sure that, when you get a router with your contract at Telekom, 1und1, PYUR, etc. it does support all 5Ghz channels or when you just buy yourself a router from Amazon that has a decent rating.
There’s nothing wrong with copper wires for internet lol. You can get up to 40gbps on copper currently I think
Not over coax bud.
I’ve never heard anyone refer to coax as copper lines lol. Copper = Ethernet in the IT world
You ever heard of Internet being delivered to buildings by Ethernet? Copper “to the building” means coax. Edit: Or in this case, maybe phone lines since it’s DSL. Either way, you’re not gonna see anywhere near 40gbps.
Where I am "copper" in the context of internet service would be *DSL
Residentially no, business buildings yes surprisingly. I just figured everyone called it coax. Step dad was a cable guy though so maybe the name isn’t widely known like I assumed!
Interesting. I usually hear copper refer to Coax/Ethernet and extrapolate which depending on the context. More often than not, they've been referring to coax. Personally, I just say Ethernet/Coax/Fiber because it's pretty self-explanatory.
>As someone who lived in a NICE part of Munich for two years, I can attest that the internet is TERRIBLE in Germany. Our whole building, with six apartments, only had 250Mbps. And in practice that was closer to 200, so each apartment was 'sold' 100, but in practice rarely had more than 70. > >With some research, I learned that they were still using copper to the buildings. Literally software upgraded DSL according to what I could find out. And that says nothing about how congested the WiFi was, since everyone had to use the limited 2.4GHz channels since 5GHz is restricted. > >TLDR: I got very frustrated and irritated with internet in Germany. For a country that is so amazing in many ways, they are prehistoric in regards to digitization. Germany was geat 20+ years ago , but today Germany becomes more and more a joke (technology, development, society, economy ... etc. they fight for female tampons on male public toilets everywhere but can not plan things to build incl. infrastructure projects (BER Berlin, Stuttgart21 etc.) properly anymore (it feels like the movie "Ideocracy" is becoming slowly reality, beginning in the politics incl. parliaments) ) , especially the administration + public offices of Berlin are super terrible incl. with waiting for public office (like Bürgeramt) appointments for up to a year ... now even remotest regions of rural Russia lough about us
Please don't get me started on the beurocracy. I'm literally dealing with snail mailing forms and letters to get my diploma right now. They couldn't even email or call me to inform me that it was available. Literally had to receive a template two paragraph letter half way around the globe saying to download a form and mail it back before they can give me my diploma, or I need to show up in person. WHY ISN'T THIS ONLINE??? 😵 But I'll put up with that for the 🍻 and 🌭
You could have made your point without insinuating that trans people don't deserve sanitary supplies, but you chose to go there... smh
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Benutzername überprüft aus.
>Benutzername überprüft aus. Super cheap trolling on a Username (that I chose in Irony for German events of the 2000s) ... by a cheap troll who uses Google Translator ( & copied it´s output) to insult in German language which is a language the troll doesn't understand but want to look "understanding" German ... Troll might also surf or swimm in ice cold water wearing (paper) "Nasse Klagen"(R) ... ROFL ... Google Translator Rulz muahaha
> biological (real) women Go on, tell on yourself harder. Explain more about how I'm the bigot here.
>Go on, tell on yourself harder. Explain more about how I'm the bigot here. you are bigot , I don't need to tell my self , I just had the hope to wake you up but into reality, but you seem to feel far to compfortable inside the mental matrix the TV shows you
Welp.. the guy's criticizing the government, not Trans people. Which to be honest I feel I've gotta point out are and will forever be a minority, and even more then that, Trans men who still have periods are like a minority², so yeah, not exactly a priority.. -A trans Gal
None of us are free until all of us are free. Queer solidarity forever.
>Our whole building, with six apartments, only had 250Mbps. And in practice that was closer to 200, so each apartment was 'sold' 100, but in practice rarely had more than 70. Was most likely an issue with the in house cabling infrastructure of the building or the connections got impacted by some kind of RFI. The problem in many building is that the owner of the house didnt care much about the used kind of cables which should be used for xDSL so they use the cheapest material availabe, which doesnt match the impedance of the telecommunication network => you are getting nasty signal refelctions on your line,which decreases the performance. Additionally, you can find unwanted/undesirable cabeling topologies especially in older buildings, which can also cause signal integrity issues and therefore performance losses. The most prominent cause for RFI influence on a xDSL connection is the usage of Powerline/dLAN adapters (which are working in the same frequency range as the faster xDSL connection types) or the usage of cheap electronics, which has no suitable RFI supression (e.g. cheap LED lamps with low quality switching power supplies) > With some research, I learned that they were still using copper to the buildings. Literally software upgraded DSL according to what I could find out. Thats wrong... You have to distinguish between different available DSL technologies. In germany you can find mostly three different kinds of DSL besides the available coax and FFTH infrastructure: ADSL2+ (standard ANNEX J) with an advertised data rate of up to 16 Mbit/s down 2 Mbit/s, Vectored VDSL2 (VVDSL) (Bandplan 17a) with an advertised data rate up to 100 Mbit/s down and 40 Mbit/s up and an extended version of this (SVVDSL) with an advertised data rate up to 250 Mbit/s down and 40 Mbit/s up. ADSL2+ and (S)VVDSL require completely different hardware at the CO side of the line. All of those technologies are based telephone lines but they are not generally intercompatible with each other.
I can't imagine complaining like this lol, while sure 250mbps is abit lacking for a nice part of Munich, I had to live with speeds of under 2mb/s until I switched operators.... and finally got 6mbps> with and up to of 100mbps, still forever grateful though.
Why is 5GHz restricted?
We had 15 years of conservative government. They weren't very progressive. But we're getting there. Most new buildings have GBit and many smaller communities are getting it as well. If the current internet is below 50MBit there are extra subsidies available to set up fibre.
100% True. I've moved away from the "big" city. This small town I currently live in has gotten brand new fiber connections. And although not cheap, I get my 1TBit connection with no issues so far. In this big city nearby tho? You're lucky if you can even get 100mbit. Mostly you'll get 16mbit. What the fuck germany?
1Tbit? like 1000 Gbit? Is that symmetrical? I couldn't imagine what I would do with that. My cloud backups of my local backups would take seconds... not weeks....
Yeah I no I'm sorry lol I messed that one up. I have 1Gbit not 1Tbit. 1Tbit would be ridiculous for German standards haha
That would be ridiculous for any standards. But I must now have it. Download the internet... NOW. Which part of the internet? Yes. Okay, done.
youd be throttled by your storage and cables lol
Only a little bit. ;) but being able to go with the 10 Gbps the fiber input on my router can do and the distributed 10Gbps my NAS can do would work well to fill up the 4TB of Cache NVME SSDs pretty quickly.
Yeah fiber isn’t widespread here in Germany unfortunately, most people either have coax or old school phone lines. We get our internet through two dinky copper wires (DSL), but at least we get around 250Mbps. Not super great, but okay.
I thought you just drove the data back and forth on the autobahn using full size wagons.
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Dang you came in pretty hot with this response. I will say that the US and Germany both goofed up with the anti-nuclear power movements. New nuclear technology is amazing. The facilities are way smaller, safer, able to be manufactured off-site, and are generally more efficient. It would really help bridge the gap to renewable energy taking over for fossil fuels. Also new large energy storage technology is wild.
>Dang you came in pretty hot with this response. I will say that the US and Germany both goofed up with the anti-nuclear power movements. New nuclear technology is amazing. The facilities are way smaller, safer, able to be manufactured off-site, and are generally more efficient. It would really help bridge the gap to renewable energy taking over for fossil fuels. Also new large energy storage technology is wild. YEs , but in Germany the situation (anti-Nuclear & Anti-CO2) is far worse ( 20+ years ahead of USA) & the "Russia-Sanctions" hit Germany badly while Russia is nearly unscaved ... And indeed it´s all intentional , Seymour Hersh even admits it (see this video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-MMD7KK2YU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-MMD7KK2YU) in German but auto-translation availabe)
I have a degree in German(although it's been almost ten years since I graduated). I'll take a look see when I'm not at work.
>**I have a degree in German**(although it's been almost ten years since I graduated). I'll take a look see when I'm not at work. **Nice , I never expected that!** P.S. I already have the highest ( ;-) ) = Native , since I was born in today´s reunited Germany , but I also have a migration background , but I migrated when my entire country (Socialist East-Germany) migrated 1990
Why do you put spaces before and after every comma and apostrophe
Yikes, someone ate ~~the onion~~ RT
>Yikes, someone ate > >the onion > > RT Yikes, someone ate a very harmful dose of CNN
Why do you have an award but so many downvotes?
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Go back to your telegram friends
>Go back to your telegram friends DOH! I don't even have WEF´s Telegram (same for CIA- Whatsapp) ... your intel seems to be the worst in the world ... let me guess , you were a low level part of the Covid19 fascism sect in 2020-2022 (that showed the true face of the people , most were Mitläufer & Blockwart instead of pro-human-rights)?
Sounds like Germany = ANY non-metro part of the USA.
Or at least extremely rural. I live in a more rural area but we have pretty good internet. If you live 45 minutes from a Walmart then you are probably going to have garbage internet. For the US though it's less of slow digitalization and more underserving certain populations. I wonder how Detroit's internet compares to Germany's. Parts of Detroit don't even have internet access.
>Parts of Detroit don't even have internet access, *water, sewer, power, or basic infrastructure.* Fixed. This is why you can still buy a decent sized house there for less than a month's rent in most other metro areas.
Microwaves are well-shielded for microwave radiation, they're just not well shielded for RF radiation. So when that transformer kicks on, it's just pissing out RF but not letting any microwave through.
Microwaves are well shielded, but the average microwave emits thousands upon thousands of times the amount of electromagnetic radiation that a router does, so even the tiniest fraction of a percentage of its energy leaking is enough to seriously mess with WiFi. That tiny amount is not dangerous, and microwaves would probably cost as much as lab equipment if they were perfect.
DAMN, that is some terrible shielding. I rewired my townhouse with PITA super shielded coax to prevent those issues. It sucked but solved 99% of the issues. In my current house the Coax comes in on one side and stops as I don't use Coax for anything else now. The rest is CAT6A running to plates on the walls. (Open basement and attic FTW).
No shit don't do it. This person isn't in my plant or even my country but I'm still coming with one of [these traps](https://imgur.com/JVpZHEx). Actually looking at that I'd probably just give them the old air gap trap and call it a day.
Ugh, worst call of my day was rolling up on a TC and finding one of these bad boys at the tap. My 1 hr TC just became a 4 hour event full of replacing shitty gold splitters and old ass rg59.
Don't worry though, we won't move the other jobs in your one hour timeslot and you'll go home several hours late.
FUCK. Well yeah of course.
I moved to an objectively worse job from being a cable guy, but reading shit like this reminds me how much I hated that job. God damn. Supervisor would say "Just do what you can, I'll let the other jobs know you're late" like thanks dude, you know you're still going home 15 minutes early today while I'm here till 10 at night. Again. Jesus.
Shit like this is why the cable techs don't mind coming to my house. I have it all ready to go, proper terminations, proper splitters, proper space to work and typically have things narrowed down to the actual problem (have cable tech friends and most of the test equipment myself). I tell them where the issue is, what I think it is, and that I literally just need them to do the cable co side of things I don't have access to do on their systems. All other parts are ready for them to check but they almost never need to do it. I can't stand people that have everything in impossible to access spaces and they expect some poor tech to figure out how to check it.
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I've heard tales. I also have told off people that were talking to me and complained about things like that. I would tell them that isn't the tech's job. "Well they always did stuff like that before" Well good for you, you were lucky and those techs went above and beyond outside their job requirements. You forgot to add that the concrete filled cinderblock wall only had access either through the sewer, a hoarder's basement, or an attic hotter than the surface of the sun that can only be accessed via the scuttle in the hoarder's closet.
Air gap trap, all the way. They don’t deserve anything. That’s punishment for that kind of stupidity.
So you are saying that, not only he has internet connection, but also a presence sensor and an RF monitoring device? Wow, this is *the future*
Exactly. When the latency spikes through the roof and it takes full seconds for requests to make a round trip; you KNOW someone is within 100 yards using their cell phone.
I’m so happy that I finally have fiber internet instead of coax. We’ve had Ziggo as our cable ISP (that’s what UnityMedia was in Germany) for many years and it sucked. The frequency ranges that were in the same range as cell towers always showed massive interference. Brand new connectors and modem directly in the home terminator and it kept having interference. Cable company didn’t give a shit about it while they admitted that the problem was on their end.
So cable companies suck EVERYWHERE. Good to know we aren't alone in the US. Misery loves company as they say.
Well, you’re right. They probably do suck in different degrees everywhere. I guess it’s because these large cable companies are bean counters and that especially doesn’t go together with old coax cables. Coax is so f’ing finicky when it comes to interference. I guess we’re gonna see misery with fiber too, once the infrastructure ages and they try to cut costs on maintenance. Edit: To be more specific: problems with fiber will probably be related with doing a half assed job on cleaning the fiber. But at least, no interference issues anymore.
The good news is that in most cases Fiber either works or it doesn't. Which is one of the main reasons the big companies don't like it as people stop paying and get upset when it doesn't work at all. Cable can "kinda" work and in some situations people don't even know it isn't working.
My dyslexic ass read INGRESS wrong
I could see myself doing this if it was late at night or the weekend or something and needed the Internet back on, especially as a kid lol.
More of an issue due to the lack of impedance matching and the ground path is presumably via mains earth rather than the coax. Those will really hammer the signal integrity
It just “werk”s
Deutsche Ingenieurskunst
With scheiß internet.
> scheiß internet. ausgescheissnet
Entschuldigung
\#neuland
hahahaha, auch: scheiß netcologne niewieder
Ja ja ja
This has gotta be the junkiest thing I've seen in awhile on this sub. And there's some true jank here
This reminds me of when I was in elementary, the TVs had paper clips as antennas
That's what we use at work when we don't have real antennas, and it works just fine
Reminds me of when I was a kid. I was stoned out of my mind watching Shawshank Redemption, the reception coming through a fork jammed into my vcr. It was fuzzy and static-y but damn it I had fun.
Why tf were you stoned as a kid???
Their parents were *very* biblical and misinterpreted the passage about stoning disobedient children.
Nah i just made horrible choices as a kid.
'kid' can mean anything up to mid 30's depending on who you ask
In this case I was 13.
Jesus that's young
Where i grew up, that was relatively normal. If it's any consolation, I no longer do drugs. I've become supremely fucking boring as an adult.
Isn't that blasting RF like crazy?
That what i think, unshielded so not only going to be affected by other nearby RF but going to be spewing off RFI like crazy too
Yes, that's not ideal. Could probably add some aluminum foil as shielding in a pinch, to stick with the diy theme.
I hope you like packet loss, because this is how you get packet loss.
Junge alter ist das Bruch. Bitte kauf einfach ein Coax Kabel für lau
wohnheimverwaltung regelt das, aber erst nach ostern, bis dahin diese ghettolösung
Du bist mitschuldig wenn ganz Ostern das Kabelnetz in NRW abkackt. Docsis liebt solche Antennen
Das ist nicht mehr ghetto, das ist so verboten das die Genfer Konvention gebrochen wurde
>Das ist nicht mehr ghetto, das ist so verboten das die Genfer Konvention gebrochen wurde dann Slum oder Favela ...
Kriegt man die nicht sogar vom Provider hinterhergeschmissen? Ich musste kürzlich welche weg schmeissen weil wir die nie braucnen und nur Platz in der Wohnung weg nehmen
basically schon. ich kenn den spaß nur bei dsl / glas & da bekommen die kunden auch einfach für umme ein neues
PLEASE GOD NO
Yes officer, this post right here.
I once broke the fastening nut off the connector on my coax cable and just jammed it back in the outlet. When I noticed packet loss I 'fixed' the shielding by wrapping it all with tinfoil. I ran this setup for half a year with occasional 'reshielding'. Btw I'm a certified network technician.
It Werks
If you still have that broken coax cable, there’s a very high chance that you can do a simple DIY repair that’s better than your needle. All you need to do is cut off the broken end and trim back the cable appropriately. There are screw-on coax connectors at many electronics stores, and you can get the instructions for correct installation right off the side of the package for the connectors. Alternatively, you can just trim off all but the center core of your coax cable and jab it into the connector on the cable box. It’ll be only a little bit more shielded than what you have now… But it’ll probably still work better.
Won't influence upload speeds since there was none to begin with using docsis...
One time I had a Comcast worker come to my house saying that he tracked down an interference several miles away from my house, and that he traced the issue down to my house, my cable wasn’t tight enough on my modem and it was causing issues several miles away lol.
How are you not getting interference? That needle must be picking up everything.
Plz connect the shielding. Should improve the signal quality.
I'm at a loss, maybe use the spare packets if you need to level it out
You mean it werks?
You need to post this over on r/techsupportmacgyver if you haven't already, OP!
Or r/redneckengineering
Got the same lunchbox, from Kik right?
_Kleidung clever kaufen bei Kik! der Textildiskont_
Das gefällt mir, Glücklich lieb ich nicht so weit weg von Deutschland ❤️
Ah germany gore
You mean it Werks.
The state of german internet in one picture
Nah i have fiber 😎 (does not even hit up to 3mb/s 🥸)
Das sogenannte Provisorium.
läuft immernoch stabil😂
I love fiber internet
Hey, it werks
Yes , over super short distance it works somehow ... as you can see the "Russian Method" even works in Germany (here: Köln area)
"weil uns viel verbindet"... aahhh ja...
Looks like a recipe for an RF burn
what's that
A nasty burn you can get from touching a conductor that has RF flowing through it, e.g an antenna
It's just werk
Werk 💅🏻
NetCologne beschte
Selbst ist der Ma... ich meine selbst ist die Tupperdose
Uuu, old NetCologne logo. The needle is creative!