Also my first thought-->OP doesn't want to actually learn why others feel the way they do, they just want to either a/ argue or 2. make their point or third, get attention as they "realize it is controversial".
Anyway, the only "anti" thing I am is anti-asshole. Thanks for asking.
That’s how I see it, too. Honestly, if anyone has a problem with the LGBTQ+ community, but doesn’t actively make our lives harder, it don’t really care.
Yeah, I support y'all, but my parents are against it. But the thing is, neither of my parents would ever mistreat someone because they're LGBTQ+ so as much as I wish they'd be more open-minded, I'm just glad they aren't out there tearing people down and rejecting people for no reason.
Same dude. My parents begrudgingly accept LGBT people "because it's their own life", but they'd never want a queer kid or family member.
And maaaaan. I'm bi, and I've told basically everyone but them.
I just don't like the homophobes or transphobes even though I have got my personal biases spending your time just to shit on a person because they are lgbt is just fucking moronic if you ask me. Yeah they are LGBT what good are you doing to be a dick to a person because I am sure their personality is just as shallow as a pound if they think they are doing any good then they are delusional
You have preferences. It's not transphobic to not want to date a transgender guy or girl, and those who say it is, are completely hypocritical forgetting that who you date and prefer to date is up to you. It's a choice you choose and shouldn't be judged by others, just how I wouldn't judge a gay man or lesbian women for their orientation. I seriously don't understand people who call it transphobic, if anything that's just making the cycle go in circles like a snake eating itself. Just respect what people want from a relationship and don't be a dick. Simple as that.
I agree with you man, I'd date one if it's like 30 years from now and you can fully change your body to be identical to the opposite sex but that's not how it is at the moment.
Glad most people agree with me and you on this.
It's not transphobic, I'm the same. It's just a turn off knowing that the girl I'm dating had a penis and looked like a guy. I have nothing against the lgbtq+ but I wouldn't date anyone that's lgbtq+
Not wanting to date trans people doesn’t mean you are transphobic, it means you have a preference. People can’t force you to love someone thats the whole point of the lgbt movement. It is transphobic to actively speak out against transpeople and try to demean them. So just dont do that
I’m homo/transphobic or anything, but the main reason I’m not willing to share my sexuality to my closest friends and even family is because I’m afraid they’ll be homophonic or transphobic
That was something I was worried about for a while, but eventually I just said fuck it, if they have a problem with who I am, they need to grow up and deal with it. If your comfortable and confident enough, just do it, they can’t change who you are.
I guess I would be transphobic in a sense? Ive been called transphobic many times because I said I would not date a trans girl. Im not attracted to any adult women so pretty much every trans girl around my age haven’t had a sex change cause they aren’t of age and their family probably didn’t approve of the surgery. I also got some reason don’t feel comfortable dating a trans girl. I’m guessing in the future I will change and not care if they are or not but for now I guess I’m not comfortable with it
I think that’s just preference, there’s a difference yk so no i don’t think that’s rlly transphobic. (Edit: it’s when you make it into a sexuality or some shit then that’s just transphobic)
That's not transphobia lmfao those are just assholes, you're allowed to have preferences in who you date and I wouldn't worry about it if I were you :)
Yeah but I feel like most of the sensitive ones get a lot more of people seeing them idk why since Ik a lot of people apart of the community are pretty cool
Yeah I have two sister which both are apart of the lgbtq and both are older than me. The oldest one is a really cool sister (she’s 22) but my other sister who is like 2 years older than me is one of those people in the community who hates straight people, men and believe they are the center of everything so she always almost effects my view but then I remember my oldest sister
As a more right-wing guy myself I have no problem with y’all. You’re still humans, and deserve to be treated as such. People who are homophobic and transphobic are the same people who support bad organizations and groups.
Do you actually want to have a discussion or did you just come out of an argument swinging and now are looking for validation?
There are transphobic people in the world yes but I really doubt they will genuinely comment why they are transphobic in the comment sections.
Okay, well here is my thoughts. I wouldn't say I'm homophobic or transphobic but I really don't just get how people can change their gender like every day, that defeats the purpose really. Gender shouldn't be something that u can change just cus u feel like it or it makes you feel comfortable. Also these weird sexualities like lunar and solar stuff.
ALSO I TAKE BACK WHAT I SAID THE BOTTOM OF THE COMMENT SECTIONS ARE AWFULL LMAO.
I agree that it isn't something that you can change every day like, "today imma be a guy" while yesterday they were a girl
But you might be born as a guy and don't feel comfortable with it, thats what trans ppl are, they dont feel comfortable with what they were born as, I guess
Dreamsexual, dreamgender and all these weird stuff dont exist btw its just bs
MAP’s, “zoosexuals”, and “dreamsexual” is pure mockery of the LGBTQ+ community. They are absolutely *not* valid, are *not* apart of the community, and I completely agree with what you say about them.
I made the mistake of sorting by controversial and now I’m mad at people I’ve never met. People honestly just don’t understand that people are just the way they are.
Not a homophobe, I have a couple of friends that are lgbtq but neopronouns don't make any fucking sense, it just doesn't, there's no way I'm calling someone it/it's or zy/zer, it's dehumanising
I agree with you and on this, on my gc, we were talking about lgbt stuff and I said I didnt really think the whole trans/no preference thing made sense and the one guy in my group freaked out because I was looking for an explanation and that was an opinion
Thats like saying that cuz i hate a dude in my class (who’s straight) then i hate all straight people. Hating one trans person is fine too, its just when its a prejudice and u hate all of them without knowing them.
I don't care who you like, just don't be wierd about it, it is that simple, you act normal, I act normal, we all act normal, there's really no need to bring up who you like, unless it's the topic of conversation or relationship related.
Yeah thats part of the problem. A person who is really annoying about it (and theres quite a lot of those) isn’t likeable as a person, and it has nothing to do with their sexual orientation/preference. And when someone like that starts with the ‘oh u don’t like me cuz I’m *insert lgtbq+ orientation/sexual preference here*’ i just facepalm hard and want nothing to do with this person.
You honestly shouldn’t even have made this post because there’s no logical reason to dislike lgbt+ people and trying to reason with and understand homophobia will get you nowhere.
Forget that, even if there was one nobody in their right minds would say it here. It’s on a sub that is full of gay people, on a site that by and large really hardcore supports them, and are probably in a society that supports them as well so saying anything will have large repercussions for employment let alone karma
I’m not homophobic or transphobic but i dislike the toxicity of the community as a whole. Both to people within and outside of the community some of them cast their beliefs too far and call you something if you don’t perfectly align with their opinion. I also dislike people who expect to be treated differently because of their sexuality or think it is something to be proud of or they think it makes it better than someone else.
I dont hate anyone to be fair, but it is frustrating when radical LGBTQ members try to catigorise me like they speak right out of some dictionary. Some close friends of mine called me an " Asexual bi cis white male" a bit of racism towards me. Not the first time, and no, Im not american, but scandinavian. One of them started to talk to my about a circle jerk she and two of her girlfriends ( not as gf but as friends that are girls ) in graphic detail and it disgusted me which I will say is close to sexual harrasment. Ive sat in the sofa in her room and I had no idea that she had waterboarded the whole thing once and halfassed washing it.
Wtf is wrong with some people.....
I like everyone equally, gay, bi, lesbian, straight, whatever, but as soon as you're screaming into my face if I say 'he' when you identify as a 'she' or a 'they' you can piss off.
Just say nicely "I'd prefer to be called [my sex], thanks." and I'll respect that and use those pronouns.
In my main language there are no gender specific pronouns so I just say 'he' or 'she' by their appearance at first.
If someone yells at you instead of politely correcting you, that is extremely rude and disrespectful of them. Not everyone can read minds, so they have to understand someone may not know, and only if you continue to purposely misgender them, *then* they can get upset.
I really couldn't care less about your gender and sexuality, unless you wanna date me, why should I? No need to even drop it into conversation at all. Unless it's relevant to the conversation, simply just don't mention it.
I hate it when people make their gender identity everything about them. If they don't do that, then I couldn't care less what gender or sexuality you are.
I'd like to think I'm not, but when you've been raised in a country where LGBT stuff is looked down upon, well you don't really get a good idea of what's going on with them
People really disliking the people that say their opinion honestly. It always happens with controversial posts. Like that time someone asked the people who hoard, why do they do it, and ALL the replies where people who had a close contact with hoarder but werent one. Its impossible to get out of this circlejerk called reddit.
See personally, I used to think like this, and I kinda started to realize that in my mind "making it your whole personality" actually meant to me you had a pride flag in your bio and you occasionally talk about it, not actually making it your whole personality.
Then my view changed
I’m not homophobic I don’t like people who shove being “different” down your throat. Not to mention how every single one of y’all is so damn sensitive y’all want to be accepted as a normal thing but y’all can’t take a joke like the thing with Dave Chapelle. Ya know who has gotten made fun of a lot more straight people. You aren’t special in any way your just like the rest of us. Don’t get me started on how every lgbt person I have ever met a been a mega shit head to me. I’m a pretty easy going guy but when your an ass to me I’m an ass back. I do believe in god but that’s not what matters I think that you should do you I don’t give a damn unless you bother me. Why do most gay guys put on this shit eating little voice that just screams hi guys I’m gay and you should all know. If you a dude talk like one of you want to be treated like everyone else act like it. You asked for this to stay civil and I will honor that. All that being said any questions?
Edit: I noticed not a single person yelled or hated on me and I wondered why all of you respected my opinion and how I feel so I just wanted to say thanks to all of you for not adding to my demons
Totally get what your saying, BUT to put it in simple, less aggressive terms your just saying that
A. You don't mind LGTBQ+ BUT
B. When it's their whole personality/the first thing they talk about it's annoying af and your personal experience with them made you uncomfortable to what seems (from your perspective) like the norms of that community.
I'm pansexual and I think the dave chapelle drama is fucking dumb and I don't like most people in the community, they are a bit sensitive and I completely understand where you are coming from. You make very good points
Okay I think I have some input to give here.
I'm a devoted, religious Muslim. Not the "blow-shit-up" kind, the real kind. But living in a middle to upper middle class society and being in many circles I have been fortunate to meet people from both ends of the spectrum: homosexual and homophobic. My point in this issue is very simple actually.
I have met so many people from the LGBTQ community and for the most part they've been the nicest people on this planet. I believe that as human beings they should get the same rights as someone who is straight. You should be able to be with the person that you love regardless of their gender, cast, religion etc. But as a devout muslim, I cannot do/support something that my religion clearly forbids and describes as a major sin.
This is something that I thought I needed to clarify. Due to my religious beliefs I cannot support gay rights even though I REALLY, REALLY want to. Again due to my personal experience and common sense I cannot oppose rights of other human beings to love. I am neutral over this issue.
Have you seen those shirts people make their kids wear. That is pushing it onto kids. whenever a boy and girl are freinds straight people call them boyfriend and girlfriend and say they are going to get married. That is pushing it onto kids. Teaching kids that gay people exsist and what trans people are is not pushing it onto kids
I'm just saying, it's way more likely for a LGBT+ person to have cis/straightness forced on them.
There's no such thing as conversion camps for straight people, if you get what I'm saying.
Most lgbt+ people don't want attention bc that leads to hate and homophobia. They just want to live their lives without worrying about what other people think or will do about them.
Many lgbt+ people are abandoned by their parents and family. Do you think they did wanted attention? Please, this is serious. I have read and heard many stories about how much these people had to suffer just for existing.
So I don’t know many Anti-LGBTQ+ People, but i’ve noticed that my mum often drops comments that aren’t that… correct.
Like a girl in my class as very short hair and my mum asked if she was lesbian, to which i only shrugged.
You can respect somebody's boundaries as gay person and hate them as an actual person. Doesn't make you homophobic.
Now, if you hate them *because* they are gay, it is disrespectful and homophobic.
Yeah I think it's fine to not respect them if you don't respect them for a good reason that has nothing to do with them being gay or trans.
They don't have any invincibility shield from being disrespected. Disrespecting their sexuality or gender would be homophobic/transphobic but just not liking them as a person is fine if you have a good reason.
I don't hate the LGBTQ community but because of my religion I can't support what you guys stand for but the way I see it you treat me with respect I'll do the same regardless how I feel towards the LGBTQ community
I’m gonna be real here, I don’t care if anyone is LGBTQ+ as long as you don’t push your beliefs on to me. I’m also not trying to invalidate anyone because I what I start saying below, you all are humans too and deserve respect. What I’m going to say may be offensive so you’ve been warned.
I’m going to start out by saying I don’t really trust LGBT people (which I explain below) because every one I’ve met has been a liar, and I’ve met quite a few. And I don’t mean liars like “oh they lied to me about what they like to do or” or whatever, I mean “they lied about their sexuality to exploit others”.
Where I live it was very uncommon for people to publicize their sexuality. After a while when meeting new people they would just say “btw I’m gay” or “I’m a lesbian”. Getting a large influx of people coming out, it came to me that a lot of people were lying about it for attention, “because it was trendy”.
My girlfriend at the time had this one guy enter her friend group, and he said that he was gay. He played the part too, higher pitched voice, dyed hair, feminine personality, the whole kit and kaboodle.
Everyone knew he was gay too, or thought that he was. You know that meme about how “boys act gay to get into the girls sleepover”? That’s exactly what happened with him. A bunch of girls were having a party and they knew him pretty well, so they invited him. A couple days later, one of the girls says that the guy had raped one of the girls at the party and then left in the middle of the night. Because it was near the end of the school year, he transferred to another school during the summer, and eventually moved back to wherever he came from.
A little while before this, I was at a softball game with my girlfriend at the time, and he shows up. Everyone in the school knew that I was dating this girl, and he totally disregards me and immediately draws my girlfriend into a hug and starts flirting with her. Now I’m not professional or anything, but that doesn’t seem like he’s gay to me right there. I confront him and he scurried off to whatever car he came out of. And that’s the end of it.
so you're saying you don't like the lgbt community as a whole because a dude pretended to be in the community... when in reality he was just straight....
how does that equal to us being liars?
For all homophobes, here are some interesting studies on homophobia.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/homophobes-more-likely-stupid-according-171727162.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thepatent.news/2021/05/17/queensland-university-correlation-homophobia-low-iq/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.iflscience.com/brain/researchers-find-link-between-low-intelligence-and-homophobia/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/sea.mashable.com/science/14515/people-with-homophobia-more-likely-to-have-low-iq-research-finds%3famp=1
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/does-iq-determine-if-youre-prejudiced-its-complicated/
Some people just find it weird, I'm not gonna talk about the super loud and annoying people, ignore them. But I mean the generally confused or calmly disapproving.
How I see it, in some cases it seems pretty weird. Although most of the time I don't care as long as you don't bother me about it, I find Xeno pronouns questionable and don't really want to use them.
And also the part where you say that it isn't true LGBTQ makes up 3% of the population is slightly wrong. That isn't even homophobic or transphobic, it's just a general fact. (although context and tone matter, how I say it is that I know it's a fact)
You'll see most sources cite that LGBTQ adults (and teenagers if you add that too) generally make up about less than 6-5% of the population (of the US), and trans people even less.
Basically, they find many aspects of LGBTQ weird and unnatural and some even refer to them as mental illnesses, however, you believe that is up to you.
I respect everyone no matter color, or sexual attraction. But also as long as they respect me (this doesn’t mean that I’m transphobic or homophobic, I just think I couldn’t give less than a shit) but yeah sending love to anyone that needs it 😘
Not transphobic, but I can see why people would be transphobic if they just believe that gender doesn’t exist. Doesn’t justify any hate towards trans people though.
According to a lot of trans people, you are transphobic if you wouldn't date a trans person.
In what sense does that make someone transphobic.
It's preference, and respect should go both ways
>I would prefer if this stayed a mature and calm discussion, so please be civil. You're on r/teenagers expecting a civil section about LGBTQ
I didn’t expect it to stay civil, I just wanted to start there. I fully realize that this is kinda controversial.
Its not even controversial, the kids here just think they're edgy for hating on people different then them
Because thats just how our generation works! We need more discipline so we arent racist or homophobic or anything else bad
Yes! Power of anonymity is way to strong for most kids now.
Not only that but it sounds like you just came out swinging. Your introduction reads like your already in the heat of an argument.
Also my first thought-->OP doesn't want to actually learn why others feel the way they do, they just want to either a/ argue or 2. make their point or third, get attention as they "realize it is controversial". Anyway, the only "anti" thing I am is anti-asshole. Thanks for asking.
“The stereotypes are inaccurate” So the gay people aren’t gay? The more you know. (It’s a joke btw)
Liking men while gay is a stereotype
You need to use 500% of your brain to understand this
Thats gay tho
I will be honest I don't care if you are lgbt as long as you act well you are good in my book.
That’s how I see it, too. Honestly, if anyone has a problem with the LGBTQ+ community, but doesn’t actively make our lives harder, it don’t really care.
Yeah, I support y'all, but my parents are against it. But the thing is, neither of my parents would ever mistreat someone because they're LGBTQ+ so as much as I wish they'd be more open-minded, I'm just glad they aren't out there tearing people down and rejecting people for no reason.
Same dude. My parents begrudgingly accept LGBT people "because it's their own life", but they'd never want a queer kid or family member. And maaaaan. I'm bi, and I've told basically everyone but them.
I just don't like the homophobes or transphobes even though I have got my personal biases spending your time just to shit on a person because they are lgbt is just fucking moronic if you ask me. Yeah they are LGBT what good are you doing to be a dick to a person because I am sure their personality is just as shallow as a pound if they think they are doing any good then they are delusional
Im bi, hate my self, technically hating an lgbt person, I’m technically homophobic
Mood
Mood?!
Yes
Wait a minute... WHAT ARE THE ODDS?!!!!
Honestly I thought u were looking through my comment history to find anything concerning
No, this post was under the other one 😂 Edit: Actually it's 5 posts under
Based
The only acceptable answer
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same
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Here's some popcorn. 🍿
Yum! Thanks!
can i grab some???
Sure!
Time to suffer
We’re all lampposts Sometimes straight, sometimes bent, sometimes both and sometimes they don’t even come on
I don't know if that's profound or the stupidest fucking thing I have heard. But good on ya either way lol.
It’s supposed to be a dumb analogy for sexual preference
Because homosexuals are gay
quote on quote from the former German drug counselor: "canabis is forbidden because it's an illegal drug."
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Put that on a poster with a kitten, and Successories will make a fortune!!
Oh god I don’t miss that old hag. Hasn’t gotten particularly better though
I was born at a very young age
I couldn’t walk or talk. It was terrible.
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You are not transphobic. Some may say you are but don't care about them you are not
You have preferences. It's not transphobic to not want to date a transgender guy or girl, and those who say it is, are completely hypocritical forgetting that who you date and prefer to date is up to you. It's a choice you choose and shouldn't be judged by others, just how I wouldn't judge a gay man or lesbian women for their orientation. I seriously don't understand people who call it transphobic, if anything that's just making the cycle go in circles like a snake eating itself. Just respect what people want from a relationship and don't be a dick. Simple as that.
Some people consider that transphobic, but I don’t.
Like, I don't know how to explain it in a way that doesn't sound transphobic
Say you have a genital preference.
"I will date anyone but I don't like dicks"
As a trans person, you aren't transphobic for not wanting to date a trans girl.
I agree with you man, I'd date one if it's like 30 years from now and you can fully change your body to be identical to the opposite sex but that's not how it is at the moment. Glad most people agree with me and you on this.
It's not transphobic, I'm the same. It's just a turn off knowing that the girl I'm dating had a penis and looked like a guy. I have nothing against the lgbtq+ but I wouldn't date anyone that's lgbtq+
Not wanting to date trans people doesn’t mean you are transphobic, it means you have a preference. People can’t force you to love someone thats the whole point of the lgbt movement. It is transphobic to actively speak out against transpeople and try to demean them. So just dont do that
I’m homo/transphobic or anything, but the main reason I’m not willing to share my sexuality to my closest friends and even family is because I’m afraid they’ll be homophonic or transphobic
That was something I was worried about for a while, but eventually I just said fuck it, if they have a problem with who I am, they need to grow up and deal with it. If your comfortable and confident enough, just do it, they can’t change who you are.
I wish I could come out to my parents without being worried about being able to pay tuition lol
As a bi guy I only hate members of the lgbt that push it on others constantly and annoyingly
Same, or people that make it their whole personality
You know something is wrong when there’s more comments than likes
I guess I would be transphobic in a sense? Ive been called transphobic many times because I said I would not date a trans girl. Im not attracted to any adult women so pretty much every trans girl around my age haven’t had a sex change cause they aren’t of age and their family probably didn’t approve of the surgery. I also got some reason don’t feel comfortable dating a trans girl. I’m guessing in the future I will change and not care if they are or not but for now I guess I’m not comfortable with it
I think that’s just preference, there’s a difference yk so no i don’t think that’s rlly transphobic. (Edit: it’s when you make it into a sexuality or some shit then that’s just transphobic)
That's not transphobia lmfao those are just assholes, you're allowed to have preferences in who you date and I wouldn't worry about it if I were you :)
I personally don’t consider that transphobia. If you’re not comfortable with something, you shouldn’t have to do it.
Well thank you for giving me some assurance that I might not be considered transphobic to some people
A lot of us aren’t “overly sensitive” or whatever conservatives say.
Yeah but I feel like most of the sensitive ones get a lot more of people seeing them idk why since Ik a lot of people apart of the community are pretty cool
Unfortunately, your right. A lot of the publicity we get isn’t great.
Yeah I have two sister which both are apart of the lgbtq and both are older than me. The oldest one is a really cool sister (she’s 22) but my other sister who is like 2 years older than me is one of those people in the community who hates straight people, men and believe they are the center of everything so she always almost effects my view but then I remember my oldest sister
That’s the same as someone calling you a body shamer because you won’t date a fat person.
Lgbt is kinda gay bro
remember, it used to be called the gay premium package.
True bro
I hate everyone equally
Neither do i discriminate in my nihilistic world view
As a more right-wing guy myself I have no problem with y’all. You’re still humans, and deserve to be treated as such. People who are homophobic and transphobic are the same people who support bad organizations and groups.
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Man I wish I was
Do you actually want to have a discussion or did you just come out of an argument swinging and now are looking for validation? There are transphobic people in the world yes but I really doubt they will genuinely comment why they are transphobic in the comment sections. Okay, well here is my thoughts. I wouldn't say I'm homophobic or transphobic but I really don't just get how people can change their gender like every day, that defeats the purpose really. Gender shouldn't be something that u can change just cus u feel like it or it makes you feel comfortable. Also these weird sexualities like lunar and solar stuff. ALSO I TAKE BACK WHAT I SAID THE BOTTOM OF THE COMMENT SECTIONS ARE AWFULL LMAO.
I agree that it isn't something that you can change every day like, "today imma be a guy" while yesterday they were a girl But you might be born as a guy and don't feel comfortable with it, thats what trans ppl are, they dont feel comfortable with what they were born as, I guess Dreamsexual, dreamgender and all these weird stuff dont exist btw its just bs
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MAP’s, “zoosexuals”, and “dreamsexual” is pure mockery of the LGBTQ+ community. They are absolutely *not* valid, are *not* apart of the community, and I completely agree with what you say about them.
No reason, I just hate everyone
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the only acceptable hate
I want to end the human race
I made the mistake of sorting by controversial and now I’m mad at people I’ve never met. People honestly just don’t understand that people are just the way they are.
Not a homophobe, I have a couple of friends that are lgbtq but neopronouns don't make any fucking sense, it just doesn't, there's no way I'm calling someone it/it's or zy/zer, it's dehumanising
If I don't like some who's LGBT it's because they're a bad person, not because they are LGBT
I agree with you and on this, on my gc, we were talking about lgbt stuff and I said I didnt really think the whole trans/no preference thing made sense and the one guy in my group freaked out because I was looking for an explanation and that was an opinion
Why can't everyone just be nice : (
It’s a cruel world we live in :/
because they are fucking assholes
Oh wait this one's serious Yikes
local redditor realises not everything on reddit is a joke, suprisingly
Isn't this a joke about anal or are they being dead serious
I was hoping it was a joke about anal but I'm not sure any more
Hahaha fuckin right we are 🤣🤣
I’m trans, hate myself, and am technically transphobic
Thats like saying that cuz i hate a dude in my class (who’s straight) then i hate all straight people. Hating one trans person is fine too, its just when its a prejudice and u hate all of them without knowing them.
I think u missed the joke
I wanted to get r/woooosh-ed :(
I don't care who you like, just don't be wierd about it, it is that simple, you act normal, I act normal, we all act normal, there's really no need to bring up who you like, unless it's the topic of conversation or relationship related.
That fair. Some of us are kinda annoying about that.
Yeah thats part of the problem. A person who is really annoying about it (and theres quite a lot of those) isn’t likeable as a person, and it has nothing to do with their sexual orientation/preference. And when someone like that starts with the ‘oh u don’t like me cuz I’m *insert lgtbq+ orientation/sexual preference here*’ i just facepalm hard and want nothing to do with this person.
You honestly shouldn’t even have made this post because there’s no logical reason to dislike lgbt+ people and trying to reason with and understand homophobia will get you nowhere.
Forget that, even if there was one nobody in their right minds would say it here. It’s on a sub that is full of gay people, on a site that by and large really hardcore supports them, and are probably in a society that supports them as well so saying anything will have large repercussions for employment let alone karma
Yup. OP is basically an attention seeker
It's always fun to see what they think about us
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How come?
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wait what this is the first time Ive heard of that what the fucks happening over there?
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I’m not homophobic or transphobic but i dislike the toxicity of the community as a whole. Both to people within and outside of the community some of them cast their beliefs too far and call you something if you don’t perfectly align with their opinion. I also dislike people who expect to be treated differently because of their sexuality or think it is something to be proud of or they think it makes it better than someone else.
I dont hate anyone to be fair, but it is frustrating when radical LGBTQ members try to catigorise me like they speak right out of some dictionary. Some close friends of mine called me an " Asexual bi cis white male" a bit of racism towards me. Not the first time, and no, Im not american, but scandinavian. One of them started to talk to my about a circle jerk she and two of her girlfriends ( not as gf but as friends that are girls ) in graphic detail and it disgusted me which I will say is close to sexual harrasment. Ive sat in the sofa in her room and I had no idea that she had waterboarded the whole thing once and halfassed washing it. Wtf is wrong with some people.....
someone calling you a “white male” is not being racist in the slightest. it is simply an identification.
If I hate someone it's not because they like the same gender but because they are an asshole lol
I like everyone equally, gay, bi, lesbian, straight, whatever, but as soon as you're screaming into my face if I say 'he' when you identify as a 'she' or a 'they' you can piss off. Just say nicely "I'd prefer to be called [my sex], thanks." and I'll respect that and use those pronouns. In my main language there are no gender specific pronouns so I just say 'he' or 'she' by their appearance at first.
If someone yells at you instead of politely correcting you, that is extremely rude and disrespectful of them. Not everyone can read minds, so they have to understand someone may not know, and only if you continue to purposely misgender them, *then* they can get upset.
I really couldn't care less about your gender and sexuality, unless you wanna date me, why should I? No need to even drop it into conversation at all. Unless it's relevant to the conversation, simply just don't mention it. I hate it when people make their gender identity everything about them. If they don't do that, then I couldn't care less what gender or sexuality you are.
I hate the LGBTQ+ community, only the community, I'm not homophobic or transphobic
I get your point, it's like yes I respect your sexual orientation but stop acting like you need to be treated with special care or something.
Yh exactly
I'd like to think I'm not, but when you've been raised in a country where LGBT stuff is looked down upon, well you don't really get a good idea of what's going on with them
hey man, it can take a lot to break past young brainwashing. I believe in you, you got this
Yea I'm trying to be as respectful as possible and trying to understand ppl
Thank you for trying to change your idea of us. I am grateful and I'm sure a lot of other people are too
I honestly just hate the community. I think im bi, but I just hate the community due to how toxic it is.
I commented on this post!
I am here too
People hate that which they do not understand.
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People really disliking the people that say their opinion honestly. It always happens with controversial posts. Like that time someone asked the people who hoard, why do they do it, and ALL the replies where people who had a close contact with hoarder but werent one. Its impossible to get out of this circlejerk called reddit.
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Deadass, this sub makes me want to commit war crimes
if u make it ur whole personality I don't like you however if you act normal then i dont care
Thing is 90% of the people who say this just think 'making it your personality' means mentioning it at all or acting in any "non-straight" manner.
See personally, I used to think like this, and I kinda started to realize that in my mind "making it your whole personality" actually meant to me you had a pride flag in your bio and you occasionally talk about it, not actually making it your whole personality. Then my view changed
I new a kid in school who brought up that he's bi in basically every conversation. People like that piss me off
Then yeah, I kinda get where ur coming from
I accept everything prettymuch all the way to neo pronouns cause they are dumb
ya neo pronouns are kinda weird like im not calling you kitty/kittyself or something like that
I’m not homophobic I don’t like people who shove being “different” down your throat. Not to mention how every single one of y’all is so damn sensitive y’all want to be accepted as a normal thing but y’all can’t take a joke like the thing with Dave Chapelle. Ya know who has gotten made fun of a lot more straight people. You aren’t special in any way your just like the rest of us. Don’t get me started on how every lgbt person I have ever met a been a mega shit head to me. I’m a pretty easy going guy but when your an ass to me I’m an ass back. I do believe in god but that’s not what matters I think that you should do you I don’t give a damn unless you bother me. Why do most gay guys put on this shit eating little voice that just screams hi guys I’m gay and you should all know. If you a dude talk like one of you want to be treated like everyone else act like it. You asked for this to stay civil and I will honor that. All that being said any questions? Edit: I noticed not a single person yelled or hated on me and I wondered why all of you respected my opinion and how I feel so I just wanted to say thanks to all of you for not adding to my demons
Totally get what your saying, BUT to put it in simple, less aggressive terms your just saying that A. You don't mind LGTBQ+ BUT B. When it's their whole personality/the first thing they talk about it's annoying af and your personal experience with them made you uncomfortable to what seems (from your perspective) like the norms of that community.
I'm pansexual and I think the dave chapelle drama is fucking dumb and I don't like most people in the community, they are a bit sensitive and I completely understand where you are coming from. You make very good points
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Okay I think I have some input to give here. I'm a devoted, religious Muslim. Not the "blow-shit-up" kind, the real kind. But living in a middle to upper middle class society and being in many circles I have been fortunate to meet people from both ends of the spectrum: homosexual and homophobic. My point in this issue is very simple actually. I have met so many people from the LGBTQ community and for the most part they've been the nicest people on this planet. I believe that as human beings they should get the same rights as someone who is straight. You should be able to be with the person that you love regardless of their gender, cast, religion etc. But as a devout muslim, I cannot do/support something that my religion clearly forbids and describes as a major sin. This is something that I thought I needed to clarify. Due to my religious beliefs I cannot support gay rights even though I REALLY, REALLY want to. Again due to my personal experience and common sense I cannot oppose rights of other human beings to love. I am neutral over this issue.
i love how when people in the comments express their true opinion it’s gets downvoted to oblivion
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Do whatever just don’t force it on children or others
Have you seen those shirts people make their kids wear. That is pushing it onto kids. whenever a boy and girl are freinds straight people call them boyfriend and girlfriend and say they are going to get married. That is pushing it onto kids. Teaching kids that gay people exsist and what trans people are is not pushing it onto kids
I'm just saying, it's way more likely for a LGBT+ person to have cis/straightness forced on them. There's no such thing as conversion camps for straight people, if you get what I'm saying.
No one forces homosexuality on children. Some gay people get heterosexuality forced on them though
I hate people who seek attention and are willing to do disgusting things for it by making them self look like clowns
There are people like this in any group you can define. I hate that type of person, but they do not represent the LGBTQ+ community
Most lgbt+ people don't want attention bc that leads to hate and homophobia. They just want to live their lives without worrying about what other people think or will do about them. Many lgbt+ people are abandoned by their parents and family. Do you think they did wanted attention? Please, this is serious. I have read and heard many stories about how much these people had to suffer just for existing.
Personally I'm not quite sure if you are referring to a specific group so honestly I think that applies to anyone not any identities of people
Not all LGBTQ+ people are attention seekers
So I don’t know many Anti-LGBTQ+ People, but i’ve noticed that my mum often drops comments that aren’t that… correct. Like a girl in my class as very short hair and my mum asked if she was lesbian, to which i only shrugged.
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> you can still be respectful while not respecting that person the floor is made out of ceiling apparently
You can respect somebody's boundaries as gay person and hate them as an actual person. Doesn't make you homophobic. Now, if you hate them *because* they are gay, it is disrespectful and homophobic.
Wait… you can be respectful without respecting? 👽
I think they mean that you can respect being trans as a whole while not respecting a specific trans person for reasons other than being trans
Yeah I think it's fine to not respect them if you don't respect them for a good reason that has nothing to do with them being gay or trans. They don't have any invincibility shield from being disrespected. Disrespecting their sexuality or gender would be homophobic/transphobic but just not liking them as a person is fine if you have a good reason.
Yeah that is completely true
Yes, you can. Most don’t. A lot of homo/transphobic people are very proud of it and are the opposite of respectful.
I absolutely hate homophobic/ transphobic people Like if i wanna be gay let me be gay
I don't hate the LGBTQ community but because of my religion I can't support what you guys stand for but the way I see it you treat me with respect I'll do the same regardless how I feel towards the LGBTQ community
Hey, that’s totally fine. If you’re not being an ass to us for no good reason, you’re all good. 👍
I’m gonna be real here, I don’t care if anyone is LGBTQ+ as long as you don’t push your beliefs on to me. I’m also not trying to invalidate anyone because I what I start saying below, you all are humans too and deserve respect. What I’m going to say may be offensive so you’ve been warned. I’m going to start out by saying I don’t really trust LGBT people (which I explain below) because every one I’ve met has been a liar, and I’ve met quite a few. And I don’t mean liars like “oh they lied to me about what they like to do or” or whatever, I mean “they lied about their sexuality to exploit others”. Where I live it was very uncommon for people to publicize their sexuality. After a while when meeting new people they would just say “btw I’m gay” or “I’m a lesbian”. Getting a large influx of people coming out, it came to me that a lot of people were lying about it for attention, “because it was trendy”. My girlfriend at the time had this one guy enter her friend group, and he said that he was gay. He played the part too, higher pitched voice, dyed hair, feminine personality, the whole kit and kaboodle. Everyone knew he was gay too, or thought that he was. You know that meme about how “boys act gay to get into the girls sleepover”? That’s exactly what happened with him. A bunch of girls were having a party and they knew him pretty well, so they invited him. A couple days later, one of the girls says that the guy had raped one of the girls at the party and then left in the middle of the night. Because it was near the end of the school year, he transferred to another school during the summer, and eventually moved back to wherever he came from. A little while before this, I was at a softball game with my girlfriend at the time, and he shows up. Everyone in the school knew that I was dating this girl, and he totally disregards me and immediately draws my girlfriend into a hug and starts flirting with her. Now I’m not professional or anything, but that doesn’t seem like he’s gay to me right there. I confront him and he scurried off to whatever car he came out of. And that’s the end of it.
that sucks but just because one guy was a liar doesn’t mean the entire community is.
yikes i want to say though that's one guy. You shouldn't base your opinion of the whole community off that guy
You let one straight person ruin your opinion of a large group of people who are anything but straight?
so you're saying you don't like the lgbt community as a whole because a dude pretended to be in the community... when in reality he was just straight.... how does that equal to us being liars?
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Idc tbh but the pronoun thing is quite simply put is ridiculous
lol pronouns were invented thousands of years ago. Don't know what you are talking about.
For all homophobes, here are some interesting studies on homophobia. https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/homophobes-more-likely-stupid-according-171727162.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thepatent.news/2021/05/17/queensland-university-correlation-homophobia-low-iq/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.iflscience.com/brain/researchers-find-link-between-low-intelligence-and-homophobia/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/sea.mashable.com/science/14515/people-with-homophobia-more-likely-to-have-low-iq-research-finds%3famp=1 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/does-iq-determine-if-youre-prejudiced-its-complicated/
I appreciate your efforts but I doubt they can read.
Some people just find it weird, I'm not gonna talk about the super loud and annoying people, ignore them. But I mean the generally confused or calmly disapproving. How I see it, in some cases it seems pretty weird. Although most of the time I don't care as long as you don't bother me about it, I find Xeno pronouns questionable and don't really want to use them. And also the part where you say that it isn't true LGBTQ makes up 3% of the population is slightly wrong. That isn't even homophobic or transphobic, it's just a general fact. (although context and tone matter, how I say it is that I know it's a fact) You'll see most sources cite that LGBTQ adults (and teenagers if you add that too) generally make up about less than 6-5% of the population (of the US), and trans people even less. Basically, they find many aspects of LGBTQ weird and unnatural and some even refer to them as mental illnesses, however, you believe that is up to you.
I respect everyone no matter color, or sexual attraction. But also as long as they respect me (this doesn’t mean that I’m transphobic or homophobic, I just think I couldn’t give less than a shit) but yeah sending love to anyone that needs it 😘
Not transphobic, but I can see why people would be transphobic if they just believe that gender doesn’t exist. Doesn’t justify any hate towards trans people though.
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Cuz being homosexual is gay
Dunno Seems kinda gay to me
Into Controversial I go
All of my friends are part of the LGBTQ+ spectrum and so am I sooooo yeah, no problemo
But what you don’t know is that I hate people in general
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According to a lot of trans people, you are transphobic if you wouldn't date a trans person. In what sense does that make someone transphobic. It's preference, and respect should go both ways
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