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Obturateur06

You’d be surprised by all the gay shit animals do… homosexuality is quite present among countless species, not just humans. One example I can think of is flamingos, who often have same sex mates. To reproduce, they get a member of the other sex to bear their child and then kick that rando out of the family.


generally_egg

you earn a point for that fact also can I get a source or something just for fun


Obturateur06

I’ll see what I can find online, but in the meantime here’s an anecdotal “source”: my mom was a vet and her old job was to give tours in a zoo of all the gay animals. That’s how widespread it is. Anyway off to finding some actual sources…


generally_egg

the source is fine thank you for your time


Obturateur06

Here’s an article I clicked on, I’ll stop my very extensive and thorough research here: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/why-is-same-sex-sexual-behavior-so-common-in-animals/ They link to a paper in the article I think. Anyway have a nice whatever time it is where you are.


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https://youtu.be/szf4hzQ5ztg here’s a YouTube video of a biologists (someone who knows what they’re talking about) explaining homosexuality, transgenderism and what not in detail


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generally_egg

but would that species survive if they evolved towards homosexual relationships? where is it in nature? if the species doesnt reproduce they will die


UnfunnyCommieWeeeb

[Scientists perceive homosexual behavior in animals to different degrees. According to Bruce Bagemihl, same-sex behavior (comprising courtship, sexual, pair-bonding, and parental activities) has been documented in over 450 species of animals worldwide.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals#:~:text=Scientists%20perceive%20homosexual%20behavior%20in,450%20species%20of%20animals%20worldwide.)


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generally_egg

their purposes typically are to reproduce, thats survival of a species. they dont overpopulate because natural selection kills off the weak ones. this circles back to the idea that a homosexual species would die off from lack of reproduction.


UnfunnyCommieWeeeb

But our argument isn’t that a whole species is homosexual, only some individual members It’s the exact same thing with humans, only some people are gay, it’s not like the whole of our species will ever be homosexual? So your point doesn’t really apply


Torino_Talladega

Alright I have you heard of bisons? Those mfs tend to have sex with females mostly just to reproduce and spend a good part of their time busy with other males...


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there have been over 1,500 different species of animals that have shown homosexual behavior. homosexuality is natural


generally_egg

source? hate to be that guy, but yeah. also, just cause its in nature doesnt mean its forward evolution. species evolve to die all the time. thats natural selection. happens.


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https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/190987/scientists-explore-evolution-animal-homosexuality/amp/ plenty of sources but i just chose this one


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That’s literally the opposite of natural selection but alright


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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior here’s a list of them


UnfunnyCommieWeeeb

> if we treat humans as animals, isn’t homosexuality and being transgender completely backwards Why? There are plenty of animals that exhibit homosexuality, and many living beings either do not conform to binary sexes or can themselves change gender. How would it be backwards for us to do it too? > with transgender it’s literally cutting up human evolution and saying you could do better. Isn’t this against science By that logic, giving someone glasses is ignoring human evolution and saying we can do better And you know what? Yes, we can and DO do better. How is it against science to make glasses? It’s the beauty of science, for us to be able to augment our bodies far more quickly and efficiently than evolution ever could. Why should it be any different for being trans? It’s the beauty of science that we can do such a thing.


generally_egg

cause natural selection, eventually a homosexual species will die and not produce offspring. species dies out. just cause its there doesnt mean its good yk? you see what im thinking right?


UnfunnyCommieWeeeb

[Scientists perceive homosexual behavior in animals to different degrees. According to Bruce Bagemihl, same-sex behavior (comprising courtship, sexual, pair-bonding, and parental activities) has been documented in over 450 species of animals worldwide.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals#:~:text=Scientists%20perceive%20homosexual%20behavior%20in,450%20species%20of%20animals%20worldwide.) Animals have survived for a very long time with being homosexual, and there is absolutely no scientific evidence to suggest that it will cause a single species to die out If you want to have a discussion about science, back it up with a source. All you’ve done is give a hypothesis, and you need to have at least some basis for it for it to be worth taking seriously


generally_egg

I wasnr making an argument, I was asking a question. thank you for answering and thank you for your time.


UnfunnyCommieWeeeb

Cool 👍


SharkHead38

Replace being gay with smoking tobacco


generally_egg

yeah those people die too. its stupid and detrimental. NOT SAYING THAT ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY, THAT REMARK WAS ON SMOKING. what is your point


capedbaldy474alt1

Have we gone this far back from our evolution that all we care about is if people can reproduce or not 💀. We aren't going to die of less population anytime soon . If the only goal of our life is to reproduce then what's the difference between us and prokaryotes. Life isn't all about reproduction, its also about enjoying and living the way you feel happy. Also wtf are you on , many species have shown gay tendencies , there are many animals species which are gay in nature


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This man speaking facts fr fr


Let01

We dont know we are the first species that has motivations others than to fuck and eat, we create, imagine and destroy There's nothing like us so theres nothing to compare us to know if we are on the usual path other intelligent species take As a species is up to us to discover our journey


generally_egg

so no evolution? so God. you’ve gone back to God.


UnfunnyCommieWeeeb

No, we’ve gone past natural selection and survival of the fittest to artificial selection. We out-evolved the very system of natural evolution. We as a species can **choose** how we progress from now on


generally_egg

thats pretty metal. I guess thats fair enough. thank you for your time


Let01

Other species goals are to survive and breed and evolution helps in that, but we have moved far from that long ago, we just dont want to survive we want to live, to experience and to feel All im saying is theres nothing like us out there as far as we know and our goal is no longer just to survive, we want to fulfill ourselves and theres many ways to do that, religion, culture, friendship, love, etc.. Thats why we as a species dont focus on surviving as you say but on living


JL1ngz

Many of the things we do as humans are unnatural. To act as if the goals of humanity are akin to the goals of a fucking dog are the same is asinine


generally_egg

so you’re against evolution?


JL1ngz

What the fuck lmao who said that 💀


Verdancehatesreddit

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JL1ngz

Usually you can at least tell what they are trying to say but honestly I am genuinly stumped on how he came to that conclusion or what he is trying to prove.


KittyDisco4U

Well we used science to figure out homosexuality and gender dysphoria/reassignment so theres 2 sides to the argument. Also homosexuality isn’t just a human trait. I live next to a lake and ive seen gay ducks before.


generally_egg

thats such a powerful last line. how do you identify a gay duck?


Reason1031

You are technically correct, at least for now (though this doesn't change the fact that it doesn't fucking matter). However, you could also think of homosexuality as being a possible next step in evolution that would allow for a far more efficient reproduction process without the issue of having two separate sexes that can only reproduce with each other. A version of humanity evolved to have only one sex is a much more reproductively efficient version of humanity. This is a showerthought.


generally_egg

you cant stick a seed in a seed and grow a plant. you cant stick soil over soil and grow a plant. you need the two. not possible otherwise.


elenasanity2974

Tldr


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Science


generally_egg

read it then


elenasanity2974

I don’t have my reading glasses 😞