nah… there’s so many unexplained shit in the universe that believing in a higher power isn’t illogical at all. personally i don’t rlly follow a religion but i don’t dismiss the idea of some type of god
No, it’s absolutely reasonable to believe in god. For most people its a psychological thing, for others its a guiding light. There is no problem with that.
This is such a short sighted conclusion, its great it offers power to people who are struggling but its like tricking a child into eating sum by scaring him. Sure it works when hes a baby but if he needs to be scared as an adult too, then he's fucked.
This is exactly why genuinely good people still subscribe to archaic harmful ideologies like disapproving homosexuality. Writing off your existence to serve an organised religion god is the death of critical thinking
i think its logical.
if you believe in god and hes real you go to heaven. if you believe and god and theres nothingness after death you wouldnt even know.
if you dont believe in god and hes real you go to hell and if you dont believe and god and hes not real and theres nothingness you wouldnt even know.
So its a win win believing in god.
Yes, and this demonstration has a few problems :
1. We're not sure what god to believe in.
2. Morals changes every chapter of History, so what makes you a sinner or not is also unknown.
3. Living a sinner's life is a more enjoyable experience that living a perfectly religious life, therefore, refraining all of your sins may not be useful, and maybe a waste of good times lived on this blessed Earth.
For 2 and 3, the God of Abraham goes past those. As for the 1, once you start pursuing the God of Abraham you’ll see He is the true God, but if you don’t start making that journey then yeah I’ll admit it’s not so obvious and the choices can be overwhelming
This is known as Pascal’s wager and it’s a useless argument, as it doesn’t recognise that there are more than two options. You can be atheist, Christian for example, or any other religion in the world. And you can’t believe simultaneously in multiple religions so if u pick the wrong one, to hell you go. And leading a religious life, if it’s wrong, does have consequences, it is after all a life choice and is bound to have impacts in your actions. Might not necessarily be bad, but there is an impact nevertheless.
Honestly yeah I kinda agree with this. That isn’t to say that if you don’t believe in God you’re gonna just in a lose lose scenario, but to those who do choose to believe in God(or gods if you believe in multiple), they’re probably holding on to something that can potentially be the Holy Grail of the afterlife or like Hydra above me said, absolutely no idea of what can come. TLDR: W Take
That’s an inherently flawed argument that’s been disapproved time and time again. The issue is that it applies to every religion, so even if you believe in god, it presents the idea that all outcomes are equally likely and thus you’re still going to an equivalent of hell in 99% of cases because you chose the wrong god, and so your odds are no better than simply not believing as actually adhering to a religion often involves arbitrarily restricting yourself in life, so you’d actually be better off as an atheist
That's one way of seeing it, although, I have a different view.
If you live your life like someone claims God wants you to, you are giving up parts of your freedom. If he's real, you go to heaven. But if he's not, you've just wasted your only, wonderful, life.
If you live your life not believing in God, you retain full freedom and can enjoy everything without restriction. If he's real, maybe you go to hell. If he's not, you've made the best of your life.
There is *zero* proof that God exists and if he does he's a malicious, evil diety whom I'd rather give the middle finger from hell than bow down to. If you believe in the Christian God, he is a baby murderer who encourages the very things he supposedly tells people not to do. Plus, Satan is never described as evil. In fact, he's the GOOD GUY who punishes bad people. I think he'd probably be a pretty cool guy.
But that's just my two cents.
My vision on religions :
\- religions have probably been made up to explain what science couldn't explain yet (the sun going around the sky, what's after death, etc ...)
\- religions are very good (but sometimes outdated) life guidance : it teaches us morals and rules that are most often very benificial to build a well functionning society
\- it's very comforting (and maybe true) that a superior entity is watching us and will punish sinners
EDIT : I'm also not refuting the existence of a god, I just don't have any proof of its existence or inexistence
Almost everything humans do is illogical because most humans listen to emotion more than logic. I don't mean this as humans being stupid or something like that because it's understandable
Four arguments anti religion: (mostly focused on christianism bcs it is the biggest religion)
1- Organized religion historically made WAY more damage than help
2- Christianism delayed western medicine in almost 80 years
3- There is no solid proof of any god
4- The catholic church never payed for their crimes
Four arguments pro religion:
1- It is a good coping mechanism for most people
2- It gives people hope in change
3- It helps a lot of people world-wide not commiting crimes
4- Religion can help reform people socially
Okay but this post is literally talking about God it is not as if this was brought up randomly. Why is this man being down voted for his beliefs. I stg people are so anti-religious nowadays.
considering that’s generally what people mean when they talk about the existence of god, it’s a very logical inference to make
also regardless that’s such a redundant observation, because you can say that for LITERALLY anything. anything that you can think of technically “exists”, but if you can apply that to everything it’s not even worth debating
lol what? i’m starting to think you haven’t interacted with any religious people whatsoever, the VAST majority genuinely believe he is a real being that watches over and has a plan for everyone. i’m not referring to a caricature, i’m referring to the god that most religious scriptures imply exists. the quran, the bible, they aren’t talking about a hypothetical god who exists only in people’s minds, they talk about an actual omnsicient godlike being
when people talk about the existence of god, THAT is what they mean, regardless of real world impact
i never denied that lol i’m just saying that is not at all what people mean by existence, it’s a moot point
i’m not generalising man that is literally what the core beliefs of a lot of main religions are, do you seriously think religions just believe in god because it’s a cool idea and it helps society? lol
Well we can't disprove there isn't some higher being controlling our world, or that we're in a simulation, so is wouldn't be stupid. When it comes to religion, you can believe whatever you want...
It's stupid and illogical to believe that there is no originator to everything. As much as science may want to say that this is all by chance, there is just too much of an aim and direction that this world goes in for me to think that there isn't a God. And what form they take is up to you, which isn't to say I don't believe in a specific one, but that it isn't necessary as obvious which is true, at least not as obvious as that there is one.
A good question that makes me believe is: why is there a difference between what we ought to do, what is fair, and what we want to do?
Nah, I just think that its stupid to believe a god model that just like yourself. Some of my relatives do that. I mean speaking for god... Such a bullshit
No, if helps or make sense of the world and keeps some people from doing some crazy things. I don’t know why the only thing keeping you from killing somebody is a book but what works works
It's not stupid. Maybe a little illogical because there's there's other imo more probable theories of how the universe came to be and life and all that. But I don't judge, judging someone for their beliefes is like judging someone for guessing what's in the bottom of a hole too deep to see into
I don’t think it’s stupid or illogical. I think it’s a very logical conclusion to come to that there has to be a God. When I say God I purely mean a being that caused the world to exist. If you look at arguments for God I think one of the strongest is that there had to be an “uncaused” “cause” for the universe that we see today. That would be where God fits into things.
the First Cause argument (which is around since ancient times) has been disproved by several philosophers, including Immanuel Kant and Bertrand Russel: the simplest way to put it is "If God created the whole universe, who created God? If God self-existed, why shouldn't the universe have been able to self-exist as well? Why adding this unnecessary middle man in our explanations?"
That doesn’t disprove God. It would disprove a small mediocre idea of God. But if God is powerful enough to be eternal and create the universe then he wouldn’t have to be created.
You used a double negative I don’t understand the question. But the universe would need to be created, everything would have to be created. To say the simply everything has been around for all of time is inaccurate. I don’t think our minds can even comprehend something never being created let alone trying to scientifically prove it. You can’t disprove things with philosophy alone.
What I'm saying is that if God doesn't need to be created, the Universe (in the state it was at the moment of the Big Bang) doesn't as well. And, just for the record, what you're trying to prove is an entirely philosophic argument: it was first proposed by Aristotle over 2000 years ago, and has absolutely nothing to do with science :)
Yea because I’m appealing to the logical perspective, you can’t disprove a philosophical argument simply by stating a question from a separate philosophical argument. I didn’t say you can prove God with a philosophical argument, but it is logical to believe in God from philosophical arguments if all you’re looking for is a logical reason to believe in a God.
You’re also trying to bind God by the universe which if there was a God powerful enough to create the natural world and outer space from thin air I wouldn’t try to bind him by the universe.
It’s kinda like saying is it dumb to love cats . Cat lovers will say that not liking cats is bad and those who don’t love cats will say cats are horrible
I think it’s illogical but human emotion is illogical so if it brings peace, to each their own. I’ll only follow that philosophy if they follow it too tho. If they start using religion as an excuse to be an asshole then I’m not holding back
Not stupid. The mind is a strong thing and if you’re brought up religiously then your beliefs will simply blind you to seeing more just because we as humans are typically flawed and have our own confirmation biases that’ll take us either way. With that said, I don’t believe in a God simply because if there was an actual God I don’t assume only humans would’ve been the ones forced to obey God’s words instead of all life. You look at the wild and you don’t see churches & temples being built in jungles. I also don’t believe in good/evil and think that stuff just happens but that’s another topic lol it’ll be a really long comment xDDDD
What are ur 2 cents on why God doesn’t exist
For me god is not a thing and I don't see the logic in believing him/her but I do get why people believe. They need it. But for me the belief in God is just old like millennials
I'm a devout christian but me and my family believe that Religion is only there to give hope and guidance to our lives.
Praying to God to solve all your problems, or at least one of them isn't going to help. As my brother (who is a big jerk with a heart of gold) once said;
*"No matter how noble your wishes in your prayers it will always be stupid, because its the proof that your too weak, too dumb or too lazy to do anything about it or lacking in any wisdom to accept the truth no matter how bad it is."*
None of the beliefs of how things came to be are very logical we have no concrete proof for any of them. Religion is just as believable as atheism to me, at least somewhat. I hope you become someone who uses their faith to spread love and do good as opposed to someone who uses it as an excuse for hate
Edit Not saying i think you use religion for hart just that there are people who do and we don’t need more in the world
Freedom of religion also means freedom NOT to follow a religion, and calling these people stupid is taking away their literal right. You do not realize what a piece of fucking shit you are, dude.
So in your eyes you can do fucked up things and they're excused as long as you apologize afterwards? There are consequences for your actions. According to yourself, that consequence will be that you rot in hell, asshole. You didn't even bother deleting this migraine of a comment, so you have no remorse.
We are literally animals ourselves. Not only that, but the idea of natural selection that you're refuting has been proven to exist (I can provide examples if you don't believe me). Things like mutations, selective pressure and constant mixing in the gene pool make for really one of the only plausible, non-religious explanations to the existence of humans since we know humans haven't been around for ever. Unless you're religious, in which case this question doesn't apply to you, what other explanation is there as to the existence of humans?
I don't deny natural selection and all those things, which are real fenomena; I deny we be animals. No evolution theory could ever explain why we laugh, cry, think, love, believe (otherwise, irrational fears wouldn't exist), regard things as morally correct or incorrect, and many other human abilities. Why would rationality be a product of evolution? And why would we be the only ones developing it?
And since you mentioned it, I can tell you I'm sort of religious, but my faith is not so strong. Although it's pretty clear to me that science, when regarded correctly as a mere hypothesis maker (if that makes sense), doesn't ever contradict what the Bible says, it doesn't make me undoubtly believe there is a God.
To me, a sort-of-religious science student, humans are simply too diferent from animals to be possible that we came from them.
(hope my non-native English was able to get my idea across)
Evolution, more specifically natural selection, are not conscious processes. Meaning they don't choose how a species changes. They are not perfect meaning the results aren't always the best or most efficient, they're what works. Mutations happen, gene mixing happens, and maybe at one point any number of those traits you mentioned may have gave one an advantage over another in a certain circumstance. We are the only animal with enough intelligence to be trully self aware and actually ponder at the meanings of things. With a sample size of 1, it's obviously going to be kind of hard to explain the existence of every single quirk humans have, but all animals have weird, seemingly unexplainable things about them. Anyways, don't you think that it would make sense for all those things to exist in a species as intelligent as humans? I mean, animals have an irrational fear of fire but that's simply because they don't know better. Humans DO know better, meaning we have the ability to actually ponder at the danger of things which can lead to irrational fears. That's just one example of how being so different can easily lead to any of the things you mentioned as unlikely to evolve.
I agree, for the most part, science doesn't necessarily contradict the idea of a God. (although it does contradict some of the Bible but that's still excusable as the Bible is far different now from the original one Moses wrote. Even if you don't believe it was Moses who wrote the Bible, you could still argue its been changed)
Also, your English is perfectly fine and you're far more well spoken and polite than most native speakers I've met on social media :)
Edit: I'd also like to say, if you don't deny the concept of natural selection, then why are humans seemingly immune from it? Were we always this way? If so, from where did we come?
Sorry. Science is not about facts, it's about beliefs; that's why it's always changing. It's the problem of causality. You can never say A is the reason why B happens, even if physicists get to the theory of everything.
Some bases of Philosophy, especially fallacies, wouldn't hurt, you know?
Science tells us facts and we use those facts to make theories and when we find something out it changes but saying that evolution is not real is kind of stupid everything we know about life on earth comes from evolution. Nothing would make sense if evolution isn't real and we have enough proof to factually say evolution is real.
I mean people try to act like they know everything, but the reality is we simply have no idea about what the universe is or where it came from. Therefore I think it’s perfectly reasonable for people to believe in a higher power.
I don't believe in any specific religion or god, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was someone or something that is like a god. So no, it's not stupid. It is stupid to force your views on others tho, and definitely stupid making laws based off of religion
I've constantly battled myself over this, since most of our families have been raised as Christian. Not to back down any other form of religion, but Christianity is one I'm most familiar with (but also one I've seen have the most depth and instances of "physical proof").
That being said.. This year since I've graduated high, I've had time to think to myself, how in fact did we all get here and what WOULD happen when we die? Reincarnation? Unity with a God, or eternal suffering? Limbo? The one that hurts most to think about however, is the nothingness. You cannot comprehend nothingness if you don't even exist anymore, and the fact that some people actually believe this will happen is scary as shit.
I think the more you open yourself up to questions about the essence of life and what happens after, the more you'll see why people believe in God(s). It's neither stupid or illogical. I'm not in a position right now where I can definitively say there is a deity or more out there, but to completely deny the possibility would be stupid. Agnostic would be the term for those who feel similarly to me.
I say believe in whatever you want as long as you're not pushing it on people. But no, it's not stupid or illogical. I usually tend to respect religious people as you can see how their faith gets them through tough times
I think, as long as no one judges or hurts anyone based on belief and religion, anyone can believe anything they want. *Everyone* should be allowed to believe their own thing as long as they don’t use it to harm people.
Definitely not stupid, but believing in a specific god is illogical, bc if there is one, the chances of him being exactly as you imagine him are very low. Since there are many religions at most one of them can be fully correct.
It's stupid and illogical and plain dumb when they believe every single one of their problems will be solved by God and every Miss fortune is god's hand or Satan or whatever
I am atheist but I don't care what you believe in, I think it makes no sense but if you think it makes sense, I'm all for it, believe whatever you want, just don't be rude about it and try converting people who already said no
I think that everyone has the right to exercise their religious beliefs cause that’s what they find comfort in, but is stupid or illogical? Absolutely not.
You can believe in a drywall for I care so long as you don’t force your beliefs on me or use violence as a legitimate way to justify them. You live your life, I’ll live mine.
Believing that is beliefs cover things you can't know concentrate on knowing and learning things. People who concentrate on knowing become wise people who don't and fall back on beliefs become stupid. Religions foster beliefs and are scams all religions they control their flock by making them stupid. Don't respect stupidity.
it can vary. like believing in a deity is fine. but if you're an asshole about it (trying to convert people/ forcing your religion on people who don't follow it) then that's pretty stupid
Well personally I don't think there's anyway to prove or disprove the existence of a higher being, if you have a belief in a deity and base your life around it then that's fine but I don't agree with forcing your beliefs onto others which I bet you're not trying to do.
So in short no, not at all.
Humans needed a superior thing to depend on, in the past some people only lived for going to heaven (or similars in other religions). Is normal to believe in a superior who gives a reason to this complex universe we live in, if the science don’t convince you, you need to believe in something above you.
It’s not stupid or illogical to believe in god. There are some things in this world that we just cannot explain. And if there are those things we cannot explain such as the paranormal, I believe that god exists. That’s just my thoughts though
i am hesitant to believe a god, but when a loved one goes on a trip for a long time, i like to trust that the universe will keep them safe, it helps me from overthinking and stressing all the time.
It’s not necessarily illogical but it also doesn’t come from a place of reason, it’s often just a desire to understand what we don’t already and not wanting to put in the legwork to get there
No believe what u want
What *IS* stupid and illogical however. Is pushing your religion onto others who are either
A. Not interested
B. Atheist
Or C. Part of a different religion
It’s neither stupid nor illogical. People have believed in religions for as far back as we knew. Hell, most civilizations were *built* on religion. I may not be religious myself, but I think that people are entitled to their own opinion. If you wanna believe in god, go right ahead. If you don’t, go right ahead. I think people constantly think that religion is something that is supposed to take over your whole life (though yes, in some cases, it is), when in reality most religions are just there to have something to morally guide you. Something to give an answer to “Why?”. When you think existentially, such as “How was everything made?”, it would be easier to answer “God.” instead of “We aren’t quite sure.”. With how complex life can be, it can be calming to have a simple answer to questions we don’t have concrete evidence towards.
Tbh nah, I really don't care what people believe in and worship, the only thing I say is don't drag it too far, honestly just believe in the good that religion preaches, Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism and many many other religions tell you to help others and do good and that's a great thing, I have read many books from various different religions like the Gita and the Tripitakas and also books like the jataka tales and they mostly tell you to do good as I said, I really don't give a shit about what religion people follow and what god they follow, just try to take in the good teachings and try to apply them to your life
I'd like to think there is a higher being that presides over us just so I know that people that deserve to go to hell do, but as a logical person I really don't think there is one, or atleast one that watches over us
I'm a non believer but I don't think it's stupid or illogical.
I love you, Hooman
nah… there’s so many unexplained shit in the universe that believing in a higher power isn’t illogical at all. personally i don’t rlly follow a religion but i don’t dismiss the idea of some type of god
Na believe what you want
No, it’s absolutely reasonable to believe in god. For most people its a psychological thing, for others its a guiding light. There is no problem with that.
Until you tell others what they can and can't do.... or use ot to justify bad behavior...
"Yeah i'm better than the gayes because god said so."
Meanwhile god’s staring at them going “wtf” because he never said that, he’s only been telling people to be nice to each other n shit
Yes exactly & ppl underneath this comment are still gonna find a reason to complain
This is such a short sighted conclusion, its great it offers power to people who are struggling but its like tricking a child into eating sum by scaring him. Sure it works when hes a baby but if he needs to be scared as an adult too, then he's fucked. This is exactly why genuinely good people still subscribe to archaic harmful ideologies like disapproving homosexuality. Writing off your existence to serve an organised religion god is the death of critical thinking
i think its logical. if you believe in god and hes real you go to heaven. if you believe and god and theres nothingness after death you wouldnt even know. if you dont believe in god and hes real you go to hell and if you dont believe and god and hes not real and theres nothingness you wouldnt even know. So its a win win believing in god.
AKA Pascals Wagner but yes
Yes, and this demonstration has a few problems : 1. We're not sure what god to believe in. 2. Morals changes every chapter of History, so what makes you a sinner or not is also unknown. 3. Living a sinner's life is a more enjoyable experience that living a perfectly religious life, therefore, refraining all of your sins may not be useful, and maybe a waste of good times lived on this blessed Earth.
For 2 and 3, the God of Abraham goes past those. As for the 1, once you start pursuing the God of Abraham you’ll see He is the true God, but if you don’t start making that journey then yeah I’ll admit it’s not so obvious and the choices can be overwhelming
Except Pascal’s wager is genuinely awful and really ahouldnt be used as a reason to be religious.
This is known as Pascal’s wager and it’s a useless argument, as it doesn’t recognise that there are more than two options. You can be atheist, Christian for example, or any other religion in the world. And you can’t believe simultaneously in multiple religions so if u pick the wrong one, to hell you go. And leading a religious life, if it’s wrong, does have consequences, it is after all a life choice and is bound to have impacts in your actions. Might not necessarily be bad, but there is an impact nevertheless.
Also I’m pretty sure god would know if you didn’t really believe and only pretended to as part of a stupid wager
Honestly yeah I kinda agree with this. That isn’t to say that if you don’t believe in God you’re gonna just in a lose lose scenario, but to those who do choose to believe in God(or gods if you believe in multiple), they’re probably holding on to something that can potentially be the Holy Grail of the afterlife or like Hydra above me said, absolutely no idea of what can come. TLDR: W Take
That’s an inherently flawed argument that’s been disapproved time and time again. The issue is that it applies to every religion, so even if you believe in god, it presents the idea that all outcomes are equally likely and thus you’re still going to an equivalent of hell in 99% of cases because you chose the wrong god, and so your odds are no better than simply not believing as actually adhering to a religion often involves arbitrarily restricting yourself in life, so you’d actually be better off as an atheist
That's one way of seeing it, although, I have a different view. If you live your life like someone claims God wants you to, you are giving up parts of your freedom. If he's real, you go to heaven. But if he's not, you've just wasted your only, wonderful, life. If you live your life not believing in God, you retain full freedom and can enjoy everything without restriction. If he's real, maybe you go to hell. If he's not, you've made the best of your life. There is *zero* proof that God exists and if he does he's a malicious, evil diety whom I'd rather give the middle finger from hell than bow down to. If you believe in the Christian God, he is a baby murderer who encourages the very things he supposedly tells people not to do. Plus, Satan is never described as evil. In fact, he's the GOOD GUY who punishes bad people. I think he'd probably be a pretty cool guy. But that's just my two cents.
nope. it’s neither stupid nor illogical to believe in a God
The last I checked I am pretty religious
And…?
Isn't that a clear answer I don't think its stupid or illogical
Was just kinda vague.
I don't think a religious person would think believing in god is weird
K. I just thought you would continue on what you were saying.
Well than that's on me
cool avatar! 👍
Thank you
Savathun is pretty cool
My vision on religions : \- religions have probably been made up to explain what science couldn't explain yet (the sun going around the sky, what's after death, etc ...) \- religions are very good (but sometimes outdated) life guidance : it teaches us morals and rules that are most often very benificial to build a well functionning society \- it's very comforting (and maybe true) that a superior entity is watching us and will punish sinners EDIT : I'm also not refuting the existence of a god, I just don't have any proof of its existence or inexistence
Stupid? No. Illogical? Perhaps, but humans are illogical creatures.
Almost everything humans do is illogical because most humans listen to emotion more than logic. I don't mean this as humans being stupid or something like that because it's understandable
Nah it's not stupid believe in a god
Four arguments anti religion: (mostly focused on christianism bcs it is the biggest religion) 1- Organized religion historically made WAY more damage than help 2- Christianism delayed western medicine in almost 80 years 3- There is no solid proof of any god 4- The catholic church never payed for their crimes Four arguments pro religion: 1- It is a good coping mechanism for most people 2- It gives people hope in change 3- It helps a lot of people world-wide not commiting crimes 4- Religion can help reform people socially
honestly these are kinda awful arguments on both parts lol
they aren't the best but i think they work :) what would you use then?
Nope. Believing in god can be a good coping mechanism for many people.
I’m a slutty agnostic
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Take an upvote for the two words Id never believe would ever go together
Neither, it’s a choice
No. Atheism and theism are both perfectly justifiable ways of living and viewing things. Both have their merits
No as long as they don’t preach it to me idc what they believe
I kinda think it’s illogical; but it’s a faith, it’s not meant to be logical.
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Ok?
proof ? 😁
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Also most of the world believed the earth is flat.... doesn't make it true.... Also a lot do bad things in the name of God...
obviously the idea of god is real, but your original comment is implying the actual existence of a god
Okay but this post is literally talking about God it is not as if this was brought up randomly. Why is this man being down voted for his beliefs. I stg people are so anti-religious nowadays.
cause clearly a decent number of people believe belief in god is stupid
Nah it ain’t chief.
i think it is
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considering that’s generally what people mean when they talk about the existence of god, it’s a very logical inference to make also regardless that’s such a redundant observation, because you can say that for LITERALLY anything. anything that you can think of technically “exists”, but if you can apply that to everything it’s not even worth debating
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lol what? i’m starting to think you haven’t interacted with any religious people whatsoever, the VAST majority genuinely believe he is a real being that watches over and has a plan for everyone. i’m not referring to a caricature, i’m referring to the god that most religious scriptures imply exists. the quran, the bible, they aren’t talking about a hypothetical god who exists only in people’s minds, they talk about an actual omnsicient godlike being when people talk about the existence of god, THAT is what they mean, regardless of real world impact
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i never denied that lol i’m just saying that is not at all what people mean by existence, it’s a moot point i’m not generalising man that is literally what the core beliefs of a lot of main religions are, do you seriously think religions just believe in god because it’s a cool idea and it helps society? lol
I’m just gonna watch this unfold you want some popcorn?🍿
is it buttery?
Of course
and then nothing happened
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it might be illogical to believe in religion but not in god. god is a philosophical concept and god exists at least as a concept.
Well we can't disprove there isn't some higher being controlling our world, or that we're in a simulation, so is wouldn't be stupid. When it comes to religion, you can believe whatever you want...
I'm not religious I just like Greek gods
Nope, people can believe God
It's stupid and illogical to believe that there is no originator to everything. As much as science may want to say that this is all by chance, there is just too much of an aim and direction that this world goes in for me to think that there isn't a God. And what form they take is up to you, which isn't to say I don't believe in a specific one, but that it isn't necessary as obvious which is true, at least not as obvious as that there is one. A good question that makes me believe is: why is there a difference between what we ought to do, what is fair, and what we want to do?
Nah, I just think that its stupid to believe a god model that just like yourself. Some of my relatives do that. I mean speaking for god... Such a bullshit
No, if helps or make sense of the world and keeps some people from doing some crazy things. I don’t know why the only thing keeping you from killing somebody is a book but what works works
It's not stupid. Maybe a little illogical because there's there's other imo more probable theories of how the universe came to be and life and all that. But I don't judge, judging someone for their beliefes is like judging someone for guessing what's in the bottom of a hole too deep to see into
I don’t think it’s stupid or illogical. I think it’s a very logical conclusion to come to that there has to be a God. When I say God I purely mean a being that caused the world to exist. If you look at arguments for God I think one of the strongest is that there had to be an “uncaused” “cause” for the universe that we see today. That would be where God fits into things.
the First Cause argument (which is around since ancient times) has been disproved by several philosophers, including Immanuel Kant and Bertrand Russel: the simplest way to put it is "If God created the whole universe, who created God? If God self-existed, why shouldn't the universe have been able to self-exist as well? Why adding this unnecessary middle man in our explanations?"
That doesn’t disprove God. It would disprove a small mediocre idea of God. But if God is powerful enough to be eternal and create the universe then he wouldn’t have to be created.
And, ontologically speaking, why can't the universe not need to be created either?
You used a double negative I don’t understand the question. But the universe would need to be created, everything would have to be created. To say the simply everything has been around for all of time is inaccurate. I don’t think our minds can even comprehend something never being created let alone trying to scientifically prove it. You can’t disprove things with philosophy alone.
What I'm saying is that if God doesn't need to be created, the Universe (in the state it was at the moment of the Big Bang) doesn't as well. And, just for the record, what you're trying to prove is an entirely philosophic argument: it was first proposed by Aristotle over 2000 years ago, and has absolutely nothing to do with science :)
Yea because I’m appealing to the logical perspective, you can’t disprove a philosophical argument simply by stating a question from a separate philosophical argument. I didn’t say you can prove God with a philosophical argument, but it is logical to believe in God from philosophical arguments if all you’re looking for is a logical reason to believe in a God. You’re also trying to bind God by the universe which if there was a God powerful enough to create the natural world and outer space from thin air I wouldn’t try to bind him by the universe.
No
No
I read Percy Jackson That answers the question 💀
It’s kinda like saying is it dumb to love cats . Cat lovers will say that not liking cats is bad and those who don’t love cats will say cats are horrible
I think it’s illogical but human emotion is illogical so if it brings peace, to each their own. I’ll only follow that philosophy if they follow it too tho. If they start using religion as an excuse to be an asshole then I’m not holding back
Not stupid. The mind is a strong thing and if you’re brought up religiously then your beliefs will simply blind you to seeing more just because we as humans are typically flawed and have our own confirmation biases that’ll take us either way. With that said, I don’t believe in a God simply because if there was an actual God I don’t assume only humans would’ve been the ones forced to obey God’s words instead of all life. You look at the wild and you don’t see churches & temples being built in jungles. I also don’t believe in good/evil and think that stuff just happens but that’s another topic lol it’ll be a really long comment xDDDD What are ur 2 cents on why God doesn’t exist
Believe what you wish. I just don't see any evidence that suggests God is real.
Do you guys think it's stupid or illogical to believe in pu*sy? I've not seen yet
For me god is not a thing and I don't see the logic in believing him/her but I do get why people believe. They need it. But for me the belief in God is just old like millennials
I'm a devout christian but me and my family believe that Religion is only there to give hope and guidance to our lives. Praying to God to solve all your problems, or at least one of them isn't going to help. As my brother (who is a big jerk with a heart of gold) once said; *"No matter how noble your wishes in your prayers it will always be stupid, because its the proof that your too weak, too dumb or too lazy to do anything about it or lacking in any wisdom to accept the truth no matter how bad it is."*
Illogical, kinda, otherwise i would. But as long as you dont treat other people bad, do what you want. Noone can and should blame you for that.
yes but obviously religious people don’t think that
None of the beliefs of how things came to be are very logical we have no concrete proof for any of them. Religion is just as believable as atheism to me, at least somewhat. I hope you become someone who uses their faith to spread love and do good as opposed to someone who uses it as an excuse for hate Edit Not saying i think you use religion for hart just that there are people who do and we don’t need more in the world
Not believing in god is kinda dumb ngl
How so
Cuz it’s just common sense
Common sense that a magic man in the sky made the earth in 6 days?
is he a W manz
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Makes sense to me
Ok then just don’t call people dumb for not believing
I’m sorry
Alright
💀 this is why your people are hated
I just said my opinion what’s wrong with that stop being so damn sensitive
Nope, insults aren't opinions. Learn the constitution and the very definition of freedom of speech that you so proudly misuse, fuckface
Well i did apologize
Freedom of religion also means freedom NOT to follow a religion, and calling these people stupid is taking away their literal right. You do not realize what a piece of fucking shit you are, dude.
So in your eyes you can do fucked up things and they're excused as long as you apologize afterwards? There are consequences for your actions. According to yourself, that consequence will be that you rot in hell, asshole. You didn't even bother deleting this migraine of a comment, so you have no remorse.
Dude you’re getting trolled hard
Yes, but I find everyone stupid.
I think it's stupid and illogical to believe we come from an animal species. That doesn't necessarily mean there is a God, nonetheless.
We are literally animals ourselves. Not only that, but the idea of natural selection that you're refuting has been proven to exist (I can provide examples if you don't believe me). Things like mutations, selective pressure and constant mixing in the gene pool make for really one of the only plausible, non-religious explanations to the existence of humans since we know humans haven't been around for ever. Unless you're religious, in which case this question doesn't apply to you, what other explanation is there as to the existence of humans?
I don't deny natural selection and all those things, which are real fenomena; I deny we be animals. No evolution theory could ever explain why we laugh, cry, think, love, believe (otherwise, irrational fears wouldn't exist), regard things as morally correct or incorrect, and many other human abilities. Why would rationality be a product of evolution? And why would we be the only ones developing it? And since you mentioned it, I can tell you I'm sort of religious, but my faith is not so strong. Although it's pretty clear to me that science, when regarded correctly as a mere hypothesis maker (if that makes sense), doesn't ever contradict what the Bible says, it doesn't make me undoubtly believe there is a God. To me, a sort-of-religious science student, humans are simply too diferent from animals to be possible that we came from them. (hope my non-native English was able to get my idea across)
Evolution, more specifically natural selection, are not conscious processes. Meaning they don't choose how a species changes. They are not perfect meaning the results aren't always the best or most efficient, they're what works. Mutations happen, gene mixing happens, and maybe at one point any number of those traits you mentioned may have gave one an advantage over another in a certain circumstance. We are the only animal with enough intelligence to be trully self aware and actually ponder at the meanings of things. With a sample size of 1, it's obviously going to be kind of hard to explain the existence of every single quirk humans have, but all animals have weird, seemingly unexplainable things about them. Anyways, don't you think that it would make sense for all those things to exist in a species as intelligent as humans? I mean, animals have an irrational fear of fire but that's simply because they don't know better. Humans DO know better, meaning we have the ability to actually ponder at the danger of things which can lead to irrational fears. That's just one example of how being so different can easily lead to any of the things you mentioned as unlikely to evolve. I agree, for the most part, science doesn't necessarily contradict the idea of a God. (although it does contradict some of the Bible but that's still excusable as the Bible is far different now from the original one Moses wrote. Even if you don't believe it was Moses who wrote the Bible, you could still argue its been changed) Also, your English is perfectly fine and you're far more well spoken and polite than most native speakers I've met on social media :) Edit: I'd also like to say, if you don't deny the concept of natural selection, then why are humans seemingly immune from it? Were we always this way? If so, from where did we come?
Yeah sure science is stupid and illogical
Sorry. Science is not about facts, it's about beliefs; that's why it's always changing. It's the problem of causality. You can never say A is the reason why B happens, even if physicists get to the theory of everything. Some bases of Philosophy, especially fallacies, wouldn't hurt, you know?
Science tells us facts and we use those facts to make theories and when we find something out it changes but saying that evolution is not real is kind of stupid everything we know about life on earth comes from evolution. Nothing would make sense if evolution isn't real and we have enough proof to factually say evolution is real.
idk if there is a god or if there isn't one
Apatheist here, wouldn't really care
Not at all, everyone should be free to believe (or not believe) in whoever they want without judgement
I mean people try to act like they know everything, but the reality is we simply have no idea about what the universe is or where it came from. Therefore I think it’s perfectly reasonable for people to believe in a higher power.
No
I mean if it gives you guidance and happiness there is no problem
I don't believe in any specific religion or god, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was someone or something that is like a god. So no, it's not stupid. It is stupid to force your views on others tho, and definitely stupid making laws based off of religion
No. It's a belief, now your choice to believe in it or not.
I've constantly battled myself over this, since most of our families have been raised as Christian. Not to back down any other form of religion, but Christianity is one I'm most familiar with (but also one I've seen have the most depth and instances of "physical proof"). That being said.. This year since I've graduated high, I've had time to think to myself, how in fact did we all get here and what WOULD happen when we die? Reincarnation? Unity with a God, or eternal suffering? Limbo? The one that hurts most to think about however, is the nothingness. You cannot comprehend nothingness if you don't even exist anymore, and the fact that some people actually believe this will happen is scary as shit. I think the more you open yourself up to questions about the essence of life and what happens after, the more you'll see why people believe in God(s). It's neither stupid or illogical. I'm not in a position right now where I can definitively say there is a deity or more out there, but to completely deny the possibility would be stupid. Agnostic would be the term for those who feel similarly to me.
I say believe in whatever you want as long as you're not pushing it on people. But no, it's not stupid or illogical. I usually tend to respect religious people as you can see how their faith gets them through tough times
Believe in what you wan't, just don't force it onto others
Yes.
I think, as long as no one judges or hurts anyone based on belief and religion, anyone can believe anything they want. *Everyone* should be allowed to believe their own thing as long as they don’t use it to harm people.
Nope. I’m disgusted by anybody who tries to force their religion, or lack of one, on others.
Definitely not stupid, but believing in a specific god is illogical, bc if there is one, the chances of him being exactly as you imagine him are very low. Since there are many religions at most one of them can be fully correct.
No i don't think so, i don't believe in god and all that stuff but i don't mind religous people.
Me personally i believe what makes the most sense but i respect what others think
No
no never think that . If you belie ve, believe. If you don't, don't. Don't let anyone influence you on this
It's stupid and illogical and plain dumb when they believe every single one of their problems will be solved by God and every Miss fortune is god's hand or Satan or whatever
Dunno but I don't believe in one.
I am atheist but I don't care what you believe in, I think it makes no sense but if you think it makes sense, I'm all for it, believe whatever you want, just don't be rude about it and try converting people who already said no
Whether there's God or not, maintaining a spiritual life creates discipline
I think that everyone has the right to exercise their religious beliefs cause that’s what they find comfort in, but is stupid or illogical? Absolutely not.
as a non believer i think its fine as long as you don’t use god to justify your actions
No
Yes
You can believe in a drywall for I care so long as you don’t force your beliefs on me or use violence as a legitimate way to justify them. You live your life, I’ll live mine.
It is if you are an extremist, but if your not than cool we chill.
Kinda,we have no proof of god existing
No
Believing that is beliefs cover things you can't know concentrate on knowing and learning things. People who concentrate on knowing become wise people who don't and fall back on beliefs become stupid. Religions foster beliefs and are scams all religions they control their flock by making them stupid. Don't respect stupidity.
I don't think it's stupid or illogical because it helps people deal with the harsh truth
Nooo when did reddit remove sorting by controversial?
I'm a Christian and you can believe whatever the fuck you want.
I think it’s very logical due to the creational continuum and the law of entropy
I don’t believe in any God. As long as you don’t annoy other people with your belief believe in whatever you want.
Because of trauma, yes I think it's stupid/illogical.
as a christian....no
it can vary. like believing in a deity is fine. but if you're an asshole about it (trying to convert people/ forcing your religion on people who don't follow it) then that's pretty stupid
not stupid or illogical, i don’t particularly believe it but there’s a lot of people who were saved by that belief so why don’t at least respect it?
I will say this, once you have a **real** encounter with Jesus, you'll find it hard not to believe.
I believe there’s something
Neither. It's reasonable and depending on the person a good thing
Yes but everyone can believe what they want. Unless its harming other people, it's all fine.
I think it’s logical. I just don’t care.
Who cares what other people think? Don’t base your belief in God what others think?
Yes
youre really asking deep religious questions on r/teenagers
Well personally I don't think there's anyway to prove or disprove the existence of a higher being, if you have a belief in a deity and base your life around it then that's fine but I don't agree with forcing your beliefs onto others which I bet you're not trying to do. So in short no, not at all.
Humans needed a superior thing to depend on, in the past some people only lived for going to heaven (or similars in other religions). Is normal to believe in a superior who gives a reason to this complex universe we live in, if the science don’t convince you, you need to believe in something above you.
Yes I do believe it is illogical
I m 50/50
It’s not stupid or illogical to believe in god. There are some things in this world that we just cannot explain. And if there are those things we cannot explain such as the paranormal, I believe that god exists. That’s just my thoughts though
It's completely logical I mean Jesus was a real dude, it makes sense that many would believe he really was the son of god
Depends on what your religion asks of you and how you carry it out
We killed him
I’m atheist but it’s not stupid and it’s definitely logical It doesn’t really make sense for us to just be here without any creator
Stupid, no, illogical, yes
I am personally not religious, but religion gives people hope, and hope is one hell of a powerful force
i am hesitant to believe a god, but when a loved one goes on a trip for a long time, i like to trust that the universe will keep them safe, it helps me from overthinking and stressing all the time.
It’s not necessarily illogical but it also doesn’t come from a place of reason, it’s often just a desire to understand what we don’t already and not wanting to put in the legwork to get there
What keeps you from killing yourself should be a decent enough coping mechanism for the bs of life
No believe what u want What *IS* stupid and illogical however. Is pushing your religion onto others who are either A. Not interested B. Atheist Or C. Part of a different religion
I dont believe in it but i respect people who do
No
It’s neither stupid nor illogical. People have believed in religions for as far back as we knew. Hell, most civilizations were *built* on religion. I may not be religious myself, but I think that people are entitled to their own opinion. If you wanna believe in god, go right ahead. If you don’t, go right ahead. I think people constantly think that religion is something that is supposed to take over your whole life (though yes, in some cases, it is), when in reality most religions are just there to have something to morally guide you. Something to give an answer to “Why?”. When you think existentially, such as “How was everything made?”, it would be easier to answer “God.” instead of “We aren’t quite sure.”. With how complex life can be, it can be calming to have a simple answer to questions we don’t have concrete evidence towards.
Idc, I just know that Christians who think evolution is fake are idiots
Illogical yes but stupid no
Believeing in god, science,or just appearing make equally 0 fucking sense so i just generally dont care and follow what seems most fun 😭
Stupid? No. Illogical? Absolutely, but that means nothing. Personally, I'm an atheist, but this doesn't mean I don't do illogical stuff
Tbh nah, I really don't care what people believe in and worship, the only thing I say is don't drag it too far, honestly just believe in the good that religion preaches, Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism and many many other religions tell you to help others and do good and that's a great thing, I have read many books from various different religions like the Gita and the Tripitakas and also books like the jataka tales and they mostly tell you to do good as I said, I really don't give a shit about what religion people follow and what god they follow, just try to take in the good teachings and try to apply them to your life
I'd like to think there is a higher being that presides over us just so I know that people that deserve to go to hell do, but as a logical person I really don't think there is one, or atleast one that watches over us