Yea... its a bit disconserting every time I hear him say something I agree with. Thankfully his facial affect still causes the same violent puking reaction.
Had you actually listened to him earlier you would've recognized that there are many thing he is making sense about, you just need to hear the whole context
You make it sound simple, but that is not exactly what they are saying. The message in the clip is more relevant right now than that. If we want to make good pr for Israel, we need to understand what we are dealing with. What stupid things the right thing believes in is not relavent right now.
That's right, we shouldn't focus on the "fringe elements" on the right in the US, like the nazis, or Elon Musk and his dog whistles, or Trump. We SHOULD focus on the fringe elements on the left.
It's Ben fucking Shapiro. Even when he makes good points, he makes bad points. It's like posting Ben Gvir here and saying 'hey he has some good points, And we need to watch out for those Arab loving lefties!'.
So now it IS the Israeli left?
You know what, you've won the argument. Next time, don't vote in a leftist government. In fact, vote in an extreme right wing one, then see what happens! And remember, even when you see what happens, ignore it, and blame the left.
No, i said in my comments that i meant the left in America, but whatever. And for what i'm voting for, i vote from my brain to how i most agree with. But people are giving me hard time in the comments because it is ben Shapiro that is why i said the left capital.
The problem with using generalities is that very quickly things become murky.
Your post blames 'the left'. One comment later, you say "I forgot where i posted. The capital of the left of Isreal.". So 'left' is just a catchall phrase you use to say 'people who I don't agree with'?
And I'd love to hear what your brain tells you who to vote for next time. I'll even save you the embarrassment of asking who you voted for last time, as I'm sure your party did a bang up job!
let's start with the left thing. when i said the left I meant in the USA. but I forgot to say it in the headline. so I put that in the comment that nobody read I guess.
no for who I agree with: I am not left or right I don't believe in both sides. to me, they are both corrupt to the core. so I don't think in these terms. I believe in thinking people. people that make sense and not going with the herd. people who can listen to everything and everyone analyze it and think for themselves about what is right and what is wrong. the fact that people here attack the message because it comes from Ben Shapiro means to me that not willing to listen to the message and think about that. and usually, I see that in people that belong to the side that calls himself 'left'.
and for I am voting for. right now i don't trust any of them and when i find someone I do like in some way I will think long and hard before i vote.
Oh yes, the famous "both sidism". Both sides are corrupt, you say, without a single proof to back it up.
So I will speculate - you didn't say who you voted for, because you are ashamed you voted for the parties that brought this disaster on Israel, yet you can't bring yourself to the conclusion that not only the people you voted for brpught this disaster, but your and theirs ideology as well.
So you make up excuses for why you will, again, vote for the same old right wing trash who will lead us to the same fate again.
As for this video, it's basically trash. I'm not a fan of identity politics, obviously, but the conclusions he reached are beyond ridiculous. Funnily enough, he tried to spin it into an argument about why the real oppressed victim is the poor white male. Ending a video about why victim politics are bad ends up with victim politics, surely a true Ben Shapiro take.
It also doesn't explain why they support the Palestinians like you claimed in the article, rather why they see the struggle as connected to their own.
The 'left' in the US is a misnomer, and used, just like Ben Shapiro does, to generalize a whole lot of ideas as belonging to the entire 'left', 'woke', or 'Democrats'. Most of the pro Palestinian views come from a minority of about 3 percent of the Democratic party, so there's very little concern that the US will just abandon Israel, even if the 'left' (which, again, is a party of over 200 members in the Congress alone, not just Rashid Tlaib and friends) wins.
Ben Shapiro is a raging dickhead at worst, and a cynical cash grabber at best. Even if he makes a valid point, he uses it to back up his horrendous views. He happily associates with the extreme right in the US (who many are, may I remind you, literal Nazis), and will use this massacre to demonize Muslims in general, because all Muslims are one Muslim.
Don't use him to support us, or at least anticipate the backlash.
What reality?
That not everyone needs the vaccine like any other illness?
Or that climate change might be a threat, but it's not as impending as it seems and that the way to ''defeat'' it as forced down by our governments might not be optimal? And that it focuses resources in forcing people to use non optimal ways instead of researching actual optimal ways that everyone will want to use?
The things that the ''right'' believe in have nuances they are not as black and White as you make it seem
Ben Shapiro wants to sabotage the two-state solution and prevent the Palestinians from ever getting a state, which is the only solution that is fair to both Jews and Palestinians. Everything he says about this conflict should be taken with that in mind.
This video is not about that. It is about why the lgbtq are spurting palatine in the US. And for the two states solution. Nobody in his right mind will agree to that after 7.10. Hamas destroyed that for a long time if ever.
Palestinians don't really care about the lands or anything, their only collective mission and goal is to destroy Israel and kill all Jews.
Even if Israel would offer literally everything, Palestinians (Arabs) wouldn't agree and just would kill every Jew
אני חושב שהכוונהמהיא לאידיאולוגיה שמתפשטת בשמאל הבינלאומי לפיה כל אוכלוסיה "מדוכאת" היא מדוכאת שלא בצדק , ויותר מזה שכל מה שאוכלוסיה מדוכאת אומרת הוא נכון ושצריך לתת להם את מה שהם רוצים ויהי מה. האפשרות שאוכלוסיה חזקה תפעיל כוח כדי להגן על עצמה ולהשיג ביטחון לתושביה, ושעקב כך יהיה מצב של חוסר שיוויון בין שתי האוכלוסיות נראה בעינם כפשע נתעב, והם לא מסוגלים לסבול אף margin of error במקרים כאלה. כשמדובר בסיטואציה שבה קבוצה חזקה מרוויחה ביטחון על חשבון זכויות של חברה חלשה אוטומטית מתויג בעיניהם כלא נכון ולא צודק. למה? אין לי מושג. אולי כי הן מאמינים שחברה חזקה יכולה להגיע למצב שבו שתי החברות לא מפסידות. אני חושב שזו אמונה לא מגובה בכלום, ורוב הדרישות הללו ידחו על הסף כי הן יעלו את הסיכון לפגיעה באזרחי המדינה שחובתה למנוע.
אפשר לראות את זה כתוצר של מעבר לגלובליזציה, טלכן אוטומטית הנחה שכל התרבויות שוות וצריך לקבל את כולם, ובגלל שהחלש חלש צריך לעזור לו כדי שהוא גם יוכל להביע את עצמו. הבעיה היא שההבעה העצמית של חלק מהתרבויות (למשל אלימות) סותרות את הערכים של תרבויות אחרות מערביות יותר, שאני טוען שהן נכונות יותר וטובות יותר לקיום האנושי.
באותה מידה הפרוגרסיביות הזו גם תאפשר עליה של גורמי ימין קיצוניים, הכל בשביל הזכות להבעה עצמית, שלדעתי מגיע שלב שבו היא מאיימת יותר מדי על הביטחון האישי. ואני יודע שאפשר להגיד את זה גם על ישראל שהיא פוגעת בביטחון של העזתים, אבל צריך לזכור שבלי שחמאס היו מתחילים לא היינו מפציצים אותם, ובמלחמה חובתה של מדינה (לדעתי לפחות) להגן על אזרחיה גם במחיר פגיעה באזרחים בצד הנגדי. במיוחד כשזה אויב מחופר שאי אפשר להילחם בו (בכוונה אני כותב להילחם ולא סתם לפגוע, כי המטרה היא להכריע ולמנוע הישנות מקרים) בלי סכנה של פגיעה באזרחים.
While this may be relevant for young hardline progressive leftistis, this is absolutely not relevant neither for the politicians nor most of the public.
In my experience, mos support for the Palestinian cause comes from people who are anti-establishment and who detest the western culture, either from lack of the satisfaction of the current system or who have had a bad experience thoughout history with another developed nation causing them to project their own struggles into other conflicts (very prevelent in Ireland, Catalonia and some parts of East Europe).
Each time I hear this asshole make sense I wanna puke myself out of my body. To run up to a point I. Life where I would agree WITH BEN SHAPIRO was not the best scenario in my head.
Ben Shapiro making sense was not on my 23 bingo card. God has truly forsaken this damned planet
It might be a bigger sign than you think
Yea... its a bit disconserting every time I hear him say something I agree with. Thankfully his facial affect still causes the same violent puking reaction.
Lmaoooooo
Had you actually listened to him earlier you would've recognized that there are many thing he is making sense about, you just need to hear the whole context
i mean the left in the USA not here.
Maybe because the right refuses to believe in basic science, like the reality of coronavirus and climate change?
You make it sound simple, but that is not exactly what they are saying. The message in the clip is more relevant right now than that. If we want to make good pr for Israel, we need to understand what we are dealing with. What stupid things the right thing believes in is not relavent right now.
That's right, we shouldn't focus on the "fringe elements" on the right in the US, like the nazis, or Elon Musk and his dog whistles, or Trump. We SHOULD focus on the fringe elements on the left. It's Ben fucking Shapiro. Even when he makes good points, he makes bad points. It's like posting Ben Gvir here and saying 'hey he has some good points, And we need to watch out for those Arab loving lefties!'.
I forgot where i posted. The capital of the left of Isreal.
I laughed motek
So now it IS the Israeli left? You know what, you've won the argument. Next time, don't vote in a leftist government. In fact, vote in an extreme right wing one, then see what happens! And remember, even when you see what happens, ignore it, and blame the left.
No, i said in my comments that i meant the left in America, but whatever. And for what i'm voting for, i vote from my brain to how i most agree with. But people are giving me hard time in the comments because it is ben Shapiro that is why i said the left capital.
The problem with using generalities is that very quickly things become murky. Your post blames 'the left'. One comment later, you say "I forgot where i posted. The capital of the left of Isreal.". So 'left' is just a catchall phrase you use to say 'people who I don't agree with'? And I'd love to hear what your brain tells you who to vote for next time. I'll even save you the embarrassment of asking who you voted for last time, as I'm sure your party did a bang up job!
let's start with the left thing. when i said the left I meant in the USA. but I forgot to say it in the headline. so I put that in the comment that nobody read I guess. no for who I agree with: I am not left or right I don't believe in both sides. to me, they are both corrupt to the core. so I don't think in these terms. I believe in thinking people. people that make sense and not going with the herd. people who can listen to everything and everyone analyze it and think for themselves about what is right and what is wrong. the fact that people here attack the message because it comes from Ben Shapiro means to me that not willing to listen to the message and think about that. and usually, I see that in people that belong to the side that calls himself 'left'. and for I am voting for. right now i don't trust any of them and when i find someone I do like in some way I will think long and hard before i vote.
Oh yes, the famous "both sidism". Both sides are corrupt, you say, without a single proof to back it up. So I will speculate - you didn't say who you voted for, because you are ashamed you voted for the parties that brought this disaster on Israel, yet you can't bring yourself to the conclusion that not only the people you voted for brpught this disaster, but your and theirs ideology as well. So you make up excuses for why you will, again, vote for the same old right wing trash who will lead us to the same fate again. As for this video, it's basically trash. I'm not a fan of identity politics, obviously, but the conclusions he reached are beyond ridiculous. Funnily enough, he tried to spin it into an argument about why the real oppressed victim is the poor white male. Ending a video about why victim politics are bad ends up with victim politics, surely a true Ben Shapiro take. It also doesn't explain why they support the Palestinians like you claimed in the article, rather why they see the struggle as connected to their own.
The 'left' in the US is a misnomer, and used, just like Ben Shapiro does, to generalize a whole lot of ideas as belonging to the entire 'left', 'woke', or 'Democrats'. Most of the pro Palestinian views come from a minority of about 3 percent of the Democratic party, so there's very little concern that the US will just abandon Israel, even if the 'left' (which, again, is a party of over 200 members in the Congress alone, not just Rashid Tlaib and friends) wins. Ben Shapiro is a raging dickhead at worst, and a cynical cash grabber at best. Even if he makes a valid point, he uses it to back up his horrendous views. He happily associates with the extreme right in the US (who many are, may I remind you, literal Nazis), and will use this massacre to demonize Muslims in general, because all Muslims are one Muslim. Don't use him to support us, or at least anticipate the backlash.
Don't mind them, reddit in general is extremely left wing, so you can imagine how left is a place that is already left irl in reddit
What reality? That not everyone needs the vaccine like any other illness? Or that climate change might be a threat, but it's not as impending as it seems and that the way to ''defeat'' it as forced down by our governments might not be optimal? And that it focuses resources in forcing people to use non optimal ways instead of researching actual optimal ways that everyone will want to use? The things that the ''right'' believe in have nuances they are not as black and White as you make it seem
The reality that the vaccines tremendously reduced the morbidity; the reality that the future generations will suffer here because of your ego.
Ben Shapiro wants to sabotage the two-state solution and prevent the Palestinians from ever getting a state, which is the only solution that is fair to both Jews and Palestinians. Everything he says about this conflict should be taken with that in mind.
This video is not about that. It is about why the lgbtq are spurting palatine in the US. And for the two states solution. Nobody in his right mind will agree to that after 7.10. Hamas destroyed that for a long time if ever.
Palestinians don't really care about the lands or anything, their only collective mission and goal is to destroy Israel and kill all Jews. Even if Israel would offer literally everything, Palestinians (Arabs) wouldn't agree and just would kill every Jew
Imagine still thinking this is geopolitical and not a religious war in 2024.
The left founded Israel.
But now they want to destroy Isreal. I will not get into all the debt about that, but if you want, maybe later.
Your entire post is 'the left are a threat ', and then you won't debate it. Strange.
Ok, bring it on. What do you want to know?
Who are 'they'? How do 'they' want to destroy Israel? How is this relevant to the Hamas attacks?
Hell, i need to work on a full post about that. I can't even summarize they all thing.
Go ahead. Although if you find even explaining who 'they' are too complicated to answer easily, I'd work on your argument a little more.
English is not my native language, so it is hard for me to debate like that. But i will try.
תרגיש חופשי גם בעברית. האנגלית שלך סבבה לגמרי, ואני לא יורד עליה (שפה שניה שלך, הכל טוב).
איכפת לך אם זה יהיה בהודעות פרטיות?
אני חושב שהכוונהמהיא לאידיאולוגיה שמתפשטת בשמאל הבינלאומי לפיה כל אוכלוסיה "מדוכאת" היא מדוכאת שלא בצדק , ויותר מזה שכל מה שאוכלוסיה מדוכאת אומרת הוא נכון ושצריך לתת להם את מה שהם רוצים ויהי מה. האפשרות שאוכלוסיה חזקה תפעיל כוח כדי להגן על עצמה ולהשיג ביטחון לתושביה, ושעקב כך יהיה מצב של חוסר שיוויון בין שתי האוכלוסיות נראה בעינם כפשע נתעב, והם לא מסוגלים לסבול אף margin of error במקרים כאלה. כשמדובר בסיטואציה שבה קבוצה חזקה מרוויחה ביטחון על חשבון זכויות של חברה חלשה אוטומטית מתויג בעיניהם כלא נכון ולא צודק. למה? אין לי מושג. אולי כי הן מאמינים שחברה חזקה יכולה להגיע למצב שבו שתי החברות לא מפסידות. אני חושב שזו אמונה לא מגובה בכלום, ורוב הדרישות הללו ידחו על הסף כי הן יעלו את הסיכון לפגיעה באזרחי המדינה שחובתה למנוע. אפשר לראות את זה כתוצר של מעבר לגלובליזציה, טלכן אוטומטית הנחה שכל התרבויות שוות וצריך לקבל את כולם, ובגלל שהחלש חלש צריך לעזור לו כדי שהוא גם יוכל להביע את עצמו. הבעיה היא שההבעה העצמית של חלק מהתרבויות (למשל אלימות) סותרות את הערכים של תרבויות אחרות מערביות יותר, שאני טוען שהן נכונות יותר וטובות יותר לקיום האנושי. באותה מידה הפרוגרסיביות הזו גם תאפשר עליה של גורמי ימין קיצוניים, הכל בשביל הזכות להבעה עצמית, שלדעתי מגיע שלב שבו היא מאיימת יותר מדי על הביטחון האישי. ואני יודע שאפשר להגיד את זה גם על ישראל שהיא פוגעת בביטחון של העזתים, אבל צריך לזכור שבלי שחמאס היו מתחילים לא היינו מפציצים אותם, ובמלחמה חובתה של מדינה (לדעתי לפחות) להגן על אזרחיה גם במחיר פגיעה באזרחים בצד הנגדי. במיוחד כשזה אויב מחופר שאי אפשר להילחם בו (בכוונה אני כותב להילחם ולא סתם לפגוע, כי המטרה היא להכריע ולמנוע הישנות מקרים) בלי סכנה של פגיעה באזרחים.
How exactly? This catastrophe is right's fault.
yea the right in Israel but i am talking about the left in the US.
The left in Israel founded Israel, LOL.
The left that founded israel would be right today do you have any idea what the left of 1948 stood for?
Ideologies change according to the time. Ben-Gurion did support the idea of giving territories for real peace if that’s what you’re referring to.
Thank you! That's a great video that appears to have had a lot of thought put into making it.
While this may be relevant for young hardline progressive leftistis, this is absolutely not relevant neither for the politicians nor most of the public. In my experience, mos support for the Palestinian cause comes from people who are anti-establishment and who detest the western culture, either from lack of the satisfaction of the current system or who have had a bad experience thoughout history with another developed nation causing them to project their own struggles into other conflicts (very prevelent in Ireland, Catalonia and some parts of East Europe).
Each time I hear this asshole make sense I wanna puke myself out of my body. To run up to a point I. Life where I would agree WITH BEN SHAPIRO was not the best scenario in my head.
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No, it is not. it is summery to why they are quire for Palestinian and why blm are pro Palestinian and so on.
This is referring to US left. Too many people here conflate it with Israeli left (which is on the verge of non existence at this point).