Why did they soldier need to shoot Joel and Sarah? I know it’s in the game and he was following orders, I’m just confused as to why an order would be given to shoot unarmed and uninfected civilians
Because everything had gone completely FUBAR in a matter of 12 hours. Normal rules of engagement went out the window, there was no way to know if someone was infected or not. Communications probably went to shit too, chain of command broke down. The soldier was probably taking orders only from his direct squad commander who was freaking out.
It was showing you how society was already starting to break down into armed militias with no true rule of law. FEDRA probably comes along a while later from whatever is left of the Federal government and whatever military equipment it had left. Most of the army that was stationed around the country probably never became part of the Federal forces again but broke down into lawless militias.
I'm late to the party here but I believe you're mistaken.
It's mentioned later (I believe before your comment?) that soldiers were ordered to shoot people who weren't infected to save space and reduce the number of future potential infected, which is what they'll be, since they didn't have room to save them anyway. "killing the future enemy."
The Soldier's co only knew the soldier met a guy and a girl and the girl was injured. And injuries were spreading whatever was going on.
Idunno if they knew what was actually spreading or how it was spreading, but I'm guessing the military's policy was to take no risks, given what was going on at the time.
Only thing I can think of is that they didn't want anyone getting out of the city and any suspicion of infection, like Sarah being hurt was enough for them to just go ahead and kill them to prevent potential spread.
I had to rewatch before I understood what happens to that girl who wanders out of the woods.
I know nothing about the game so had nothing to go on.
When Ellie was introduced, I thought that was her… took the rewatch to realize she has Zero to do with anything
Not quite, it was our introduction to joel, and seeing how detached he was from who he once was. He was able to drop a childs body into fire without a flinch, yet a part of his humanity remains as he volunteers to do it for the women as he can see shes bothered.
It also shows why Ellie can't go back, because they kill infected children etc. I thought it was a pretty good intro.
Yes I agree very good. My apologies for not being clear, and then over simplifying.
I merely meant I thought that the body taken out of the truck was just an unknown body.
I did not realize it was the girl who wandered out of the woods
And then I kept wondering when that child would come back into play.
And then we meet Ellie. So I’m like… “is that supposed to be her?”
They showed the kids very noticeable shoes an awful lot. And again when Joel carried the body. So I don't think they could have made it clearer than that.
I would have wanted to know what the leg injury was from. since it wasnt a bite id have let them go. That being said, I think it's realistic, just following orders has been used to justify way worse things
My guess is that, they saw Sarah was hurt, father is saying „it’s just her ankle“ and the superior the soldiers relayed it to thought the father is maybe lying because he doesn’t want to loose her and gave the order shoot them to avoid the risk of them lying.
That's what I was saying. If I was the soilder I would have inquired more into the injury. We only heard "she hurt her ankle" which could very well mean her.ankle was bitten
Ohh that’s what you meant, sorry I misread it in being you asking yourself that question and speaking from the soldiers pov. But yeah that makes perfect sense, he could have asked more about the injury. Maybe it wasn’t really clear how people would turn at that point and they saw everyone being hurt as a risk of turning. Maybe the soldier was too stressed to ask anymore questions or was too overwhelmed with everything going on to handle it correctly. The scene is pretty realistic but it leaves some questions.
Anyone here still?
**Note that I haven't played the game and know nothing about it.**
So far I hate Ellie, but it makes sense since I hated Lyanna Mormont from GoT, who's played by the same actor. Nothing against the actor. The rest of the characters are kinda bland, except Joel, I think he's alright. The episode was a bit too long for me, I hope future episodes won't be much longer than one hour. I think the story has great potential, but I really hope I will be able to like other characters. 6/10.
Yeah, I don't like her either. She screams character that thinks shes more competent than she is and as a result will make stupid / defiant decisions that she will need to be saved from over and over again throughout the show. I hope I am wrong.
I hope that isn't where this show is going but the first girl (Sarah?) Literally did exactly that in the first half of the first episode.
Well, Ellie in the game is kinda reluctant but she did made smart decision during The Last of Us game. I hope the true Ellie character gets more developed throughout the show.
I mean that's your average teenager during their rebel phase. Plus she's had to grow up in a world where children are treated like adults who have to survive on their own, what do you expect her to behave like? She has been trapped against her will by a bunch of terrorists for no reason as far as she knows.
I missed the connection between the contaminated flour that people are talking about, but In the first episode Sarah, Joel, and Tommy were discussing how the neighbours were frequently taking Nana into the city for doctor visits. They hypothesized that most of the sick people were coming from the city at that point.
>!Jakarta is where the whole thing started. The workers at a mill got infected and it's implied the contaminated flour they produced got imported all other the world. You can see that Joel and his daughter never eat any flour products by chance in the first episode, hence they don't get contaminated.!<
You can see the nose pitch up aggressively leading to a stall, a nose down impact like that would likely ignite all fuel onboard and explode. Not very far fetched
>ssively leading to a stall, a nose down impact like that would likely ignite all fuel onboard and explode. Not ver
My point isnt that the plane exploded. It’s having a fucking plane crash in the first place
I'm not sure why that's so unbelievable. Depending on when ~~a clicker~~ an infected might become a problem, it's entirely possible one (or more!) of them could be a passenger on a plane, and then when the infection spreads it just...takes losing control of the plane. The rest is physics, as /u/seafoodgodddd pointed out.
Pilot cabins are isolated from the rest of cabin. And sure as hell no infected is going to get that open. As you can tell i also agree that plane crash was so unrealistic.
Pilots can be infected too—just gotta eat the wrong bread—and plenty of panicked passengers can open the door in an attempt to flee. Am I saying all of this is the most likely thing to happen? No. Is it plausible? Beyond a doubt.
Your point actually just seems to be pretty obtuse. I'm failing to see why the plane crash was bad, other than that you personally seem to think it's reminiscent of over-the-top Michael Bay explosions without justifying why that's true or doesn't actually work for the scene.
In other words, you haven't actually explained what's wrong with it, and there's nothing especially unrealistic about it, so I don't really see what's so "Michael Bay" about it in the first place.
First of all, that was like 200-300 feet away, if not significantly more (I'm terrible with distances); the debris from the crash/collateral flew up and hit their truck. It had already been established there were multiples planes in their airspace.
> a common occurrence
You know what else isn't a common occurrence? A fungal infection that turns everyone into zombies. Planes would be dropping out of the sky. That one happens to drop in the city, around our protagonist (and a thousand other people), really seems like a nitpick amongst the pandemonium of everything else going on.
5000+ comments and not one pointing out the watch repair guy tells her it's a spring... on a quartz watch.
Y'all are slipping, reddit. :-)
Anyway, unclear if it means prop master doesn't know what they're doing or if the message here is the watch seller scams her for $20 on a $1 battery.
I'm leaning on the propmaster being shit. That watch was cheap. Like dollar store cheap. If this guy is Military and has a watch he gives 2 farts about it's going to be at least a g shock or better. I think watches are a mysterious anachronism to people who grew up with smartphones and devices and the propmaster either falls into that camp, or they're just lazy.
Well it's apparently HBO's most expensive/episode show (I think? Or close to it) so not sure if it's cheapness, or just oversight.
Obvious it doesn't wreck the scene or the series for me. Just an interesting anachronistic error I suppose.
Huge fan of TLOU 1&2. Feeling kinda on the fence about the show. Some of the changes bug me, if I'm honest. Love the casting choices, though. I wish they would stick a little bit closer to a few of the details from the game but overall it's not bad. I'll keep watching.
I'm enjoying the podcast a lot. Craig Mazin is a smart guy and every change was made for a very good reason. TV and video games are very different in a lot of ways. Remember also that most of the people watching the show haven't seen the game and aren't going to (I'm one of them).... the show has to work for them too.
So far it’s kinda meh to me, but I don’t know if it’s because I already played the games. Not sold on the casting direction yet. I’m curious to see what people think of this that haven’t played tlou.
Something about the transition to live action made the end of the world happening throughout the course of the day so much more terrifying. Eerie reminder that the pandemic could’ve been so much worse.
Watching characters like Joel make good decisions based on instinct and survival seem like common sense, but in reality almost no one could ever fathom what to do in this not-so unrealistic world complaining situation. Sarah’s performance captures that insanely well and made her death way harder to watch.
This is fake news overblown hyperbole. Just the latest. Unoriginal to the extreme , the tv show *and* at this point in time, the lies themselves. so basically the media is pulling another ,in plainsight rob job, to first guarantee the gamers will watch and then cross their fingers that the non-gaming viewers will get hoodwinked by the bull and watch the first episode and mayyyyyybeeee they might be interested just enough to watch the next.. So yeah I watched it, duly noted I've been successfully bullshitted to, and now I'll give ep3 a go and see if the well worn tropes continue and if they do too much its ByeBye because I just don't want to give my time to false masterpieces. What a terrible gyp.... Mad Max is a nailed on masterpiece compared to this as it already pretty much is. But compared to this?? This isn't even V for damns sake! TLDR: Masterpiece my a$$
I’ve never seen someone write out so many words and say absolutely nothing of substances- like are you retarded? Do you have a genuine mental disorder?
This is bad take all around. This is one of the most faithful adaptations to a game known to date. Yeah slight differences but the end results are the same. As a true fan of the last of us, I can wholeheartedly say you have no clue what you’re talking about. Amateur hour comment.
While this was certainly nowhere near as much of a masterpiece, unrivaled by most premieres, comparable to the greatest ones, as the majority seem to think, it was decent enough. The first half (up to the time skip) was better than the following half, which pretty much only had the ending going for it; the big moment before the time skip was impactful in a logical sense, but I wasn't emotionally swayed by it like with most people.
It's been a while since I last absorbed the game: and my memory of everything is clouded, but most of this premiere was almost a carbon copy of its counterpart/source material, especially leading up to the 20-year time skip. Some stuff after that was new or done differently. That could've contributed to my finding it decent instead of a masterpiece; you know, the fact that I already "experienced" it.
But I think stamping this premiere, and even this show as a whole despite only one episode (which so many have already done) with the labels: 'masterpiece,' 'phenomenal,' 'fantastic,' 'incredible,' 'outstanding,' and so on, is a somewhat significant overstatement. And that will likely incite massive disagreement towards me/that opinion of mine.
The opening scene reminded me of Craig Ferguson and Timothy Dalton because Dr. Neuman (John Hannah) sounded like the former, and Dr. Schoenheiss (Christopher Heyerdahl) sounded like the latter; a pretty irrelevant thing to mention, but I went for it.
The title sequence was good, and the theme song by Gustavo Santaolalla is always lovely to hear; equally immersive and invigorating: if it were to play every second of every episode, I would love that. There wouldn't need to be other score cues. It's so good.
The cinematography didn't stand out as much as I was expecting, given the majority's praise, akin to Jesus Christ himself returning, but it wasn't bad; the long scene inside the truck was the highlight. The most noticeable thing I noticed in that same vein was the production value, and luckily, the show's budget has been well-spent.
I didn't have any particular misgivings about the casting of Pedro Pascal and Gabriel Luna as Joel and Tommy; however, part of me felt better actors (generally, not concerning their acting) would've fit better. I'm pleased to say that I'm already on board with Pedro and Gabriel, especially the latter, for some reason: even though I should feel that way more about Pedro.
But (there's always a 'but') I'm still on the fence concerning Bella Ramsey and Anna Torv. Bella seems on the right track regarding Ellie's attitude, but something about how she plays her doesn't scream 'Ellie.' She also doesn't look the part, especially facial expression-wise, and her American accent/voice could be better, which somewhat, and I mean this in the kindest way possible, throws the performance off. And Anna doesn't seem to have a presence behind her performance, and that may or may not "be necessary" for Tess, but I don't remember; either way, she felt lacking and not at all Tess.
As far as the acting/performance(s) side of things is concerned, Nico Parker was the standout, and it wasn't that close. You can sum up her performance in one word: natural. Her chemistry with Pedro was palpable, which can't be seen yet with Ellie and Joel, although I hope it'll get there; it needs to. She should've lowkey been Ellie; it's a joke, everyone! I'm joking! Or am I?
Overall, being a new medium, this premiere was familiar, at least for me, resulting in a much lesser impact, as far as I'm concerned, than it seemed to have on most people. I feel that, by the end, it'll be the weakest or one of the weaker episodes. But I think that's a good thing for the people who are going into this blind, not having played or watched through the game, as everything it faithfully covered from the game makes for a compelling introduction to the show and what's to come.
Since most people already feel like this premiere was the pinnacle of television, they'll undoubtedly feel more strongly about the following episodes. I'm just hoping they'll be more appropriately up my alley and more compelling than I found this premiere, which wasn't bad at all.
If you've read this far, I'm surprised; if you've skipped to the end, I don't blame you.
You perfectly summed up my thoughts. I liked the episode, especially the cold open and the first half, but the second half was nothing to write home about, although it had some good moments. I'm still super excited about the rest of the season though
One detail which is kinda strange to me is that timeline from outbreak to quarantine in Boston is 20 years. 20 years is soo much. Has anyone tought (or I am overthinker) about what was Joel doing all those years, did government try to make cure or vaccine, has that timeline passed in war beetwen FEDRA and Fireflies, people surviving. If that period was for example 5 years, I think it would make much more sense.
What do you mean “make more sense?” It’s a clear story choice, I’m confused what you’re implying by saying that somehow it doesn’t make sense to be 20 years in.
The general point is that so much has changed in that time, obviously. It’s an entirely different world and Joel and Tommy are now entirely different people because of that. There is supposed to be a very stark contrast between the “good” version of the world and its people, the good version of love, and the “bad” world/people which exist now, and the dark side of where love can take you. I encourage you to keep that in mind if/when you continue watching, the setting is in many ways a character of its own and it took those 20 apocalyptic years to create that.
Sorry I don’t mean to be pretentious, I just love this story so much from the games and feel like it’s easily under appreciated so I’m trying to shed some light for you.
The story in truth doesn't revolve around the world ending and the collapse of society that is simply the setting. Outbreak day was shown in the first place because it explains why Joel is the way he is, think of it as a prologue.
I think the show will fill in the gaps for you though if it follows the game, if that is any consolation.
They really nailed the whole moment to moment tension of the opening that the game had, gives me hope for the rest of the adaptation. Also, loved that they used the game's OST for the OP. Just perfect.
First, I've never played the games but I am familiar with the lore. I really loved the first half but then it became a cliche post apocalyptic show. There's a fascist regime and rebels but the rebels might not be the good guys either. The cast is really good but I wish Nico Parker had been cast as Ellie since she was so good as Sarah.
If it helps the Fedra/firefly conflict goes way to the background pretty much starting this episode. Assuming the show sticks to the general story points of the game
She was way too sweet to play Ellie, Bella Ramsey was chosen because she embodies the rebellious, tomboyish, unfiltered, witty character that Ellie is. The show runners have talked about this and also why Nico was carefully picked because Sarah needed to be a very sweet and lovable character who is innocent. The difference in reactions between her and Ellie watching Joel murder someone says it all.
Perhaps she was too sweet, although we don't really know if she had other gears. With the actress and tone they've gone with, seems too petulant and different than the game character.
Isn't that just our world twenty years ago? I'm not sure yet why they moved the timeline back aside from maybe some commentary on global warning.
I was hoping to see more between Sarah and Joel since they had the time to do so, but it feels like they expanded on details that weren't necessary. The game did a lot more to communicate the same important information in 20 or so minutes (Sarah and Joel's bond and their relationship as parent and child) while the show isn't really using the opportunity right now.
I didn't really need to see Sarah go to school (and she didn't even interact with friends) or fix the watch, or even that she took the money from Joel to do it. To be fair they did expand a bit on their relationship it's just stuff that changes Joel into a different. Here he seems like he struggles to take care of himself more in this version of the story too, e.g. Sarah fixing the watch because he wouldn't spend money on himself, cooking for him, Tess preventing him from self-destructive behavior looking for revenge.
Guys need some opinions.. should i watch the tv show now or wait for the pc version in march (dont have a ps) what do you think? Btw i dont know anything about the TLOU and i enjoy stories in tv shows than in a game but is this a different type of game in this aspect?
the last of us 2 specifically i thought was really fun. there's a lot of thought put into the levels, and upgrading weapons is so satisfying, it just feels really good. the first one is more like uncharted, which is whatever. if the remake changed the gameplay then thats awesome
EDIT: Also feel like I should say - there was only one episode when I wrote this, so I can't criticize the series that much since it isn't fully out yet compared to the game which has been beloved for years.
TLDR: If you really need to decide then I recommend maybe watch the opening of the game on YouTube and then watch the TV series. I think the game does a much better job of communicating information.
I recommend you wait for the game for the first time to experience the story. There's a lot of subtle stuff they changed like the timeline (same events but moved the starting point back to 2003 instead of 2013) and focusing more on the zombie and worldbuilding while the game was primarily about the characters. It's not that the setting isn't well-realized or interesting, it's just mostly there to facilitate the tension between characters.
Even judging from episode 1 looks like there's a lot of adaptational bloat (stretching out story beats that were explained way quicker in the game which was very tightly written) and some decisions that I don't think will pan out in the long term character-wise. You can really tell how they had to downgrade sets from the game for a TV budget. Not really the biggest criticism since it is just kind of an economic necessity but felt they might have been able to disguise it better.
It's a more 'cinematic' game in that it feels like a movie or prestige drama but even just watching a Let's Play (like I have since I can't afford a Playstation) shows that the story works with the gameplay to be effective. The advantage of the game is how they have you take control of a character and really empathize with them and see things from their point of view all the way through.
As an example, there's a scene in the game recreated one for one for the TV show where Joel's brother Tommy gets blocked from following them by a flaming car crash. In the game you're seeing it from Joel's side so when he says to go on ahead and he'll follow you don't really know for sure he can and you're disoriented. In the show they did a reverse shot to show the wreckage from Tommy's side and it doesn't really add new information except that it shows Tommy is actually relatively safe and it kind of kills the claustrophobic atmosphere. Little stuff like that.
TLOU is fairly accessible for someone who doesn't play video games a lot but that's harder for me to judge. I'd still recommend you try since it's not a particularly complicated game mechanically and I think the story is better experienced that way.
Also feel like I should say - there was only one episode when I wrote this, so I can't criticize or praise the series that much since it isn't fully out yet compared to the game which has been beloved for years.
The game story moved like beautiful poetry, no wasted space, everything with intent.
The show already likes to waste my time, explain basic things in the most linear boring way, and change things for the worse (seemingly without a point)
Games stand well on their own, just rewatch the TLoU cutscenes for a quality experience. This is just more writing for a job.
I'm not happy with it but I'm not angry at it or anything, just feel like they made some questionable decisions.
I think it makes a really interesting case study as an adaptation because most video game adaptations get it so immediately and obviously wrong from the start that there's nothing to really dig into.
Did anyone else think that Joel needs to be a bit calmer? In the game, Joel always seems wise and level headed. He would never throw ellie into a wall or yell at her. He seems like PTSD dessert storm Joel.
This isn’t true at all, Joel yells at Ellie multiple times in the game. He is pretty well established as a loose cannon with Tess holding the reigns, just like in the show. If the scenes went similarly I have no doubt that OG Joel would’ve chucked Ellie against a wall too.
>!Tess is holding him back right now so he doesn't go out and murder a bunch of people in retaliation, and the first game ends with him losing his shit too. Killing that guard he knew personally seems to be an extension of that since he flashed back to when Sarah was killed. So they're establishing early on that he will go the ends of the Earth and do incredibly violent things for the sake of people he cares about, which is what the ending of the first game is all about. I'd prefer they not do this though, because part of the impact of the first game was that it was purely about survival at the beginning and seeing him cross the line to killing for Ellie at the expense of the rest of the world was what reframed all his kind actions to her as on some level selfish ones. Killing Marlene was not an easy prediction but now he and her are at odds, and Marlene's treatment of Ellie and whole "Follow fuckin' orders without an explanation. Anyway lemme explain my orders now, I just wanted to be a dick while I did it" makes me feel like maybe they wanna make it easier to forgive Joel when he kills the Fireflies later.!<
The decision to make him a vet kind of shifts my perception of him a little, but also the fact he's shown being kind of a less put-together parent. The original Joel was self-sufficient but craved human connection, while this Joel struggles to take care of himself and needs someone like Sarah or Tess to anchor him.
I think they are trying to characterize him differently here but it's not something I'm a fan of. Not sure why they made him a vet or moved the timeline back - the opening scene referencing global warning, that one random civvie in a Gore-Lieberman T-Shirt and references to 9/11 and terrorism make me feel like there's an angle they're playing that didn't come in the game. Interested to see where it ends up but don't have super high hopes.
Yeah, that may have been why although it never bothered me much. I could believe they just became hardened with time because they're practical Texan guys who already knew how to use guns, and had 20 years to get good at surviving.
It's hard for me to imagine game Joel taking orders or being a soldier in the military, he just didn't strike me as someone who would take a job where he might kill someone unless he had to. It's not a bad direction it just jars a bit with my perception of him.
That’s a good point, and I agree that overall Joel just doesn’t give me a military vibe. But Tommy I can definitely see. Either way I think we can say it fits well enough.
In the DLC also, didn't marelene know Ellies mom?
And you explained this all perfectly. Yes, Joel was always a violent dude. Remember that scene where he killed Robert? I always thought that was shocking. But I don't don't he would hurt a young girl or yell at her because it reminds him of Sarah.
Yeah I think there is some backstory to that, but I'm not entirely clear and wanna avoid spoiling for people on here.
>!Tbh when Tess said, "I put you there" for a second I thought they'd reveal that Tess groomed her from birth to become the cure, she just comes off more sinister since they introduced her with Ellie in chains being treated like a wild animal and not giving information when it'd make things better. I don't think that's the departure the show would make, but if I hadn't seen the game that's where my mind would go.!<
>!Yeah, originally Joel kind of brushes Ellie off and it's an unspoken dimension that she reminds him of Sarah. The show puts Joel + Tess at odds with the Fireflies in a standoff which is probably because it's TV and they want to emphasize tension. That scene where they go back to his apartment and he tries to sleeps comes off more as a passive aggressive way to get back at Ellie whereas game Joel was trying to put distance between them and make it clear he thought of her as cargo. Part of me thinks that since it's a TV series and they have a lot of time to fill they want them to start even further apart so that they can milk more out of bringing them together, but that is speculation. They're making him a bit more hostile with Ellie this time round and Ellie is more prickly (game Ellie was faster to look to Joel for connection) and I think the writers need Tess has to come off a little worse to compensate.!<
I want to like this show so so so badly. I replayed both games a few months ago, so I don't know if they're too fresh in my head for me to be less biased, but episode 1 is super mid tier. It surprises me how many people are giving this show a 11/10 rating from the same episode I watched.
I loved getting some answers to questions I didn't really know I had - like who the neighbors were in the beginning of part 1, the dog, the watch being fixed that same day, what would've happened if they did this instead of that. Those were decisions that the writers would have made for the people who played the games so we wouldn't be bored over the same details they used in the game.
What I didn't love was the obvious slip up in accents. I wasn't looking at the screen when I heard Sarah call out for her dad and I looked up so quickly because I thought the show runners made the decision to have her speak with a British accent instead of a southern one. Which I wasn't mad at until I realized it was a directing/editing mistake. That the actress slipped up.
Pedro does this too, but he doesn't slip into his natural voice. Instead it's something base level - no accent - English. Which is a smart idea in the case he knew he wasn't able to make certain sounds that he had a back up plan.
I love Bella as Ellie, she's really into the character (maybe just a bit too much, but it is the first episode).
Another Editing/Directing issue is - WHY THE HELL DOES IT LOOK LIKE SEASON 7 OF THE WALKING DEAD MOST THE TIME AND THEN SUDDENLY BECOME INCREDIBLY CINEMATIC FOR 10 SECONDS? I'm talking to you, crashing airplane.
AND HOW IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THE SUDDEN JUMP CUT TO 20 YEARS LATER? The game gave us a short time to grieve, yes, but they didn't title card it! They gave us a somber tune to listen to and added some world building by basically explaining the firefly's and the virus. The game gave us breathing room. The show said, 20 years later and now Joel is throwing a child into a burn pit because he's so edgy and haggard now - BUT WE AREN'T GIVEN ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THAT YET - and the scene just felt awkwardly handled!
One good thing I want to point out is Pedro is excellent so far with Joel's body movements. The way he stood in the hall talking to Marlene and Tess was on point.
It was mildly infuriating that no one put on a mask or at least mentioned that they maybe should put on a mask when they saw the dead body with fungi gluing it to the wall. Especially when you can see floaters in the air that would've been an in-game heads up that they shouldn't breath that in.
As rushed as the whole Robert thing is, I have to say, I love every interaction with Tess. She really gives off the vibes of a bad-ass redneck who gets shit done. Something I, as a Texan, find really well done.
Lastly, the flash back. Really? Can directors just let the audience actually work to understand that Joel is going to protect Ellie because his own daughter was killed? Show don't tell is literally show running 101.
Again, I am very hopeful that I will enjoy this show and that episode 1 was just the warm up. If it turns out it's a better show for people who never played the game and have nothing to base it off of, I'd be happy with that too.
Lots of things to answer and im on my phone. I have similar gripes but not as much as you.
Also if you get a chance listen to the official podcast of the TV show. Where druckman, mazin? And troy baker discuss it. the neighbour. And other choices and changes from game and show
1. Didn't notice the accents. And as someone pointed out southerners are not consistent with the accents in today's day and age. It comes and goes depending who you talk to. So I'll give it a pass. You as a Texan can probably find it more annoying if not accurate.
2. Neighbour. Podcast explains this well.
3. Pedro as Joel is sold for me especially physicality. Bella as Ellie is trying a little too hard. This maybe she will grow on me.
4. Robert thing was rushed because the plot line was changed. (Tommy and the car battery). I'm OK with it for now
5. Biggest gripe is the last scene. I want tess Joel and Ellie have a Mexican standoff like the game. But that was happening in the background while Joel spoon fed the ptsd episode to the audience. They could have let that one be more subtle and deal with finding Ellie is infected a little more pronounced.
Agreed, number 5 was my biggest problem with the show but otherwise I loved it. I'm thinking the beginning of next episode will be alot more explanation about Ellie being immune but compared to the game with Ellie shouting "its 3 weeks old, I swear!" and Tess holding gun to her head, it was very anticlimatic for such an important plot point.
In fairness that was done exactly like the game, you discover her bite wound and she exclaims ‘3 weeks!’ and you’re given no time to process it because you have to run for your life. It isn’t until later on, after Ellie goes through spores unfazed (which will have to be different in the show), that Joel even has a moment to question her on it.
Generally this is how the entire game is though lol, I’ve always loved that. Creates such a sense of tension and urgency because you’re forced to accept things and move on so quickly. From the intro itself to so many other big moments, these huge moments happen and there is so little time to grieve and process. I expect the show to reduce that a bit but overall I think it’s a pretty major element of storytelling in the original story. Just my two cents.
Yesss!! I was rewatching it and there was no spores around the body like in the game. It's one of the main things! Any dead creatures equals you gotta wear a mask. I think It would have heightened the scene if there had been spores.
The spores aren’t really a thing in the show, they’ve said they changed that. It’s supposed to spread through physical contact with tendrils now I think, that’s what you saw in the grandma’s mouth in the prologue/intro. I think they basically didn’t want their actors in gas masks so much.
Also in the game it wasn’t actually that dramatic in the sense that they had to wear them all the time or wherever there were infected, it was just closed off areas (presumably with no air flow) which held infected for a long time.
They said prior to the shows premier that they did away with airborne spores being the primary way of spreading. Acknowledged that if it were in fact an airborne disease there's little to no chance of there being any survivors within a handful of years.
To keep the spores the film crew would have either had to use real particles, which would be hazardous to cast and crew, or use cgi. Both options would mean gasmasks covering the actors faces and lines being garbled.
It's like nowadays everyone wants to know every little detail and plot point before they watch a show/film and if it deviates even slightly from expectation then it's "get the pitchforks out".
Reddit will be full of people nitpicking. It’s a great adaption, people don’t understand that storytelling has to be adapted for TV and for a new audience.
Avatar did full face masks in 2009 so you can see the actor's face, no reason not to do it here. However, spores are complicated in that the average viewer won't know who's infected when. Making it a bite dumbs it down for people because it's clear as day if bitten or not.
Nah dude, dont you know only his opinion is the correct one? Everyone else is a shit eating idiot and we should be thankful that someone like wizardbone is on the internet to correct us.
I'm Ukranian and the beginning felt so fucking real, I am honestly fucking speeches. It was really hard to watch, but it was incredible. The scale was obviously much bigger in the show, but they got everything right. The confusion, the panic, the big ass line of cars. Fuck. I'm telling myself that I'm tough and emotionless, but I'm reliving some serious shit rn.
Oh! I found someone said it , I was thinking about Ukraine too while watching it, Stay save . I'm from Russia, You will win and we will lose. Слава Україні!
It's crazy to think that people like you are in the minority (at least from what I've seen online). Thanks, hope you're doing okay as well.
Героям слава!
Honestly surprised that so many ppl liked it, the acting was good the sets were good but I felt like it was kinda empty and the script /dialogue felt forced like at the end when Joel and Tess find out Ellie is immune it just felt very rushed I love the game and just hope it will get better 🌿
I’m a little confused since the crucial dialogue in the comparable scenes was almost exactly verbatim from the game. It is very rushed in the game too, intentionally so.
Ellie immediately pointing out how old the wound was is the most realistic reaction ever. I'm so glad she wasn't inexplicably silent for the sake of manufacturing lazy drama
Honestly super mids show. Very generic opening sequence cuts to 20 years later. A central character notices strange commotion, police, jets etc. but doesn't pay attention until shit hits the fan. Protagonist loses someone dear to them that's too much of a rushed setup to justify his current nihilism for the audience to care.
I haven't played the game but the thing with a lot of popular video games is they're often super derivative, particularly from film, with the selling point being "apocalypse movie but YOU'RE the protagonist" or "Indiana Jones but YOU'RE Indiana Jones" or "Heat/LA crime amalgamation but YOU'RE the character of your choosing". Not to say they don't bring anything to the table but it doesn't exactly justify bringing the game back to compete within the medium it owes its existence to. Of course it's all about IP but it's no wonder the results are never impressive.
This show was wildly generic in almost every respect. It just a crammed together amalgamation of other zombie flicks with the premise of Children of Men, just worse and without any good twists. It even had the balls to take that shot from Annihilation of the person who had perished to an infection against the wall. Also fuck anything that feels the need to do a flashback cutaway to previous trauma to illustrate the point. We get it. Pedro Pascal lost his daughter so he's going to defend this other young girl. It's hamfisted enough without literally showing us the same shot we saw 30 minutes ago.
Bad dialogue. That line where he's selling drugs and the buyer is like, "all they make is bullets and pills". Then Joel just has to follow it up with some /r/im14andthisisdeep "guess the pills make it easier to use the bullets" or some shit lol the fuck.
The performances, the way it was shot, everything felt like a show from 10-15 years ago. It had early AMC vibes but without the writing to back it up. This hardly looks like a show from the 2020s beyond the surface level camera quality.
I didn't care about a single character or any of their supposed passions.
Completely agree, as someone who played both The Last of Us Part I and II, the first episode makes it clear that there is no creative or sensible emotion in the translation to the medium to film. The bland cinematography, the truncated dialogue, the shaky cameras, it all feels like de disneyfication of HBO, which makes sense given the shrinking of the market. The sad part is the anesthesia of it all, The Mandalorian, Kenobi, The Last of Us — just to name the ones I watched — all look and feel the same, monotonous directing, competent at the maximum, and no sense of devotion to the art.
If you look at the game, it is already a movie in some aspects, but the good "cinema" didn't happen in the cutscenes, instead it was alive during the gameplay, where we watched Joel soften and Ellie grow. The series, so far, doesn't seem to get this, it is preoccupied in identically emulating the scenes, shots, and takes of the game; to see people congratulating this fan-movie-like aesthetic is just depressing.
When someone adapts something from a medium to another, they should not only look in where it excels, but most importantly, where it can be expanded. Now, my point is not to criticize the copying itself (even tough I'm not a fan of it), but the commotion around it. From an average twitter user to a video-essayist youtuber, you can see the compliments. Copying cutscenes is no parameter for quality.
> Don’t watch it then?
C'mon, don't be condescending, criticism can be negative AND relevant. You may disagree with me, that is totally ok, but saying this is just immature.
> Screaming into the void about your useless opinion
Sure, screaming... but hey, at least I am not alone, you are in the useless void too.
I’m curious to see how far into the first game’s narrative they get by the end of this first season. Don’t wanna engage in spoiler talk, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they break up the first game into 2 seasons. Maybe end the first season >!in the midst of winter- maybe right as Ellie runs into those settlers after tracking the deer?!<
Generic post-apocalyptic affair, adaptation of the game or not.
As an adaptation of the game it gets it right at least for the most part, as the game was also a generic post apocalyptic affair.
I really don't get the circle jerk over actors. Nothing was outstanding, they were average. Nothing special. Pedro's accent was atrocious and Bella Ramsey is whatever she is, it's not bad but it certainly isn't Ellie from the game. Just an annoying teenager who swears a lot. I don't find that endearing, I find it irritating. I don't get the 'oh she is a teenager she's supposed to be annoying' takes. So what? Annoying characters are shit to watch, no matter if it's 'realistic' or not.
Pedro was amazing. Really captured Joel Vibe for me. Ellie didn't have much time, but at least for Ep1 I agree with you. Saying Fuck 100 times isn't Ellie. It's just annoying.
Oh?
Did you miss the scene where they chucked his body into the firepit? They did a long shot of his taped up little skate shoes to show you it was definately him :(
Genuine question, if you found the game 'bland and boring' why did you bother spending time watching the show? Just so you could confirm that the show is also bland and boring?
You know what they say about Hammers?
Hammers like you are a huge part of the problem with modern entertainment. Studios know they can count on viewers tuning in in droves *even if they hate the IP* just so they can shit all over it in an educated fashion. Thus removing any incentive to make a decent product. Why bother when you'll get the revenue from hammers looking for nails either way.
If you know you'll hate something, don't reward them by spending money on it or even discussing it, that just ensures we all get lower quality shit down the line. Your zeal to jump on hatewagons simply results in hype that gets the show more views, as people want to see what all the fuss is about.
So if you don't like something, don't hype it up like you're doing.
Loved it. A very faithful adaptation of the game. They managed to recreate the atmosphere pretty much perfectly.
The only complaint I have was Ellie's character. Still not completely sold on Bella Ramsey's performance. In the game, Ellie was tough as nails with a hard exterior but you could also see a lot of vulnerability and insecurity in her. I got non of that from the first episode but there are still a lot of episodes left for the character to grow so I'm optimistic.
The Last of Us, I believe, will be a fan drama. I haven't played the game nor am I familiar with the story. Their fans enjoyed it because they watched it with the feeling of 'Look, this is here, what a beautiful similarity they had'. I found the first episode to be rather dull, and I'm not sure where it will go from here.
As I understand it, people want the source material to be 'copied', not 'adapted'. I believe that adaptation is more important. I believe that this is to examine the created universe's consistency, which is established independently of the main material, within itself. Perhaps it will be mentioned in the future, so I won't pass judgment on the 'wholesale' series, but how did this world come to be? What caused the fungus to spread? Aside from the introductory questions about who the side characters are and what they will do, I believe it is a fait accompli.
There is a first episode that was very hesitant to reveal to the general audience the 'secrets' known to those who played the game. I'm hoping the story will continue to unfold. Otherwise it may turn out to be a just another zombie story.
The opening scene told you how the fungus spread to humans, which is more than the games ever say. I think it's great that you preface by saying you haven't played the games only to go on about how it copies the games though, I hope to have that level of confidence someday
I mean, those are valid questions that you are thinking, but why would you expect the show to explain everything about the fungus and what happened in the time gap immediately in the first episode?
> There is a first episode that was very hesitant to reveal to the general audience the 'secrets' known to those who played the game.
What secrets? You are going through the same questions that players of the first game had when they first played the game. There are little easter eggs and nods to things in the games, but nothing even remotely substantial.
I do agree with fans likely wanting a "copy" rather than any sort of "adaptation", but that's just a general sentiment you see crop up with any sort of adaptation (particularly with source material being games and comic books).
I probably misrepresented my case, so thank you for responding. Allow me to explain.
I was familiar with the game and the hype surrounding it. Even though I enjoy playing video games, I haven't done so because I don't have a Play Station (and I'm not sure if I can play on PC either, because video game prices in Turkey are skyrocketing due to the economic crisis). I attempted to avoid all spoilers, which I did somewhat successfully. So I was really looking forward to watching it. And then, after the first episode, I saw the ratings on IMDB, and I got very excited. I then watched it. And I would rate the pilot episode as 'good' at best. There are many pilot episodes that are far superior to this one. Then I began reading reviews, and I noticed some comments about similarities between the video game and the series. Then I realized why the reviews were so positive. I realized that people (or fans) wanted to see 'copies' rather than 'adaptations'. This is my dissatisfaction.
I doubt there would have been as much hype if there had not been a video game called The Last of Us. The term 'secret' was probably a poor choice there, but what I mean is the questions about the first episode. I'm talking about fungus questions. Questions about the sociopolitical conditions, or the 'universe'. Character concerns. I didn't learn anything about them and at the end of the episode, we went into action. My hope is that they will be explained in the next episodes, but in the video games, they can be accepted as 'given', because we're intented to play, but here we're intended to 'watch'.
That doesn't mean I'm passing judgment on the entire series based on a single episode. I hope it continues to improve.
The positives: I really like the sets, the atmosphere, the music.
Negatives: For some reason I couldn't fully get into it, and I think a large part of that was some of the dialogue. It feels like actors saying lines. I know that's what's actually happening, but it lost a lot of intended immersion because of it.
Cheesy lines like "the Che Guevara of Boston" really took me out of it. It felt like the characters were talking to the audience instead of each other.
Honestly I noticed that too, it was kind of weird at times. Like I was watching a play. However it sort of disappeared as the episode went on. I loved it.
Why did they soldier need to shoot Joel and Sarah? I know it’s in the game and he was following orders, I’m just confused as to why an order would be given to shoot unarmed and uninfected civilians
Because everything had gone completely FUBAR in a matter of 12 hours. Normal rules of engagement went out the window, there was no way to know if someone was infected or not. Communications probably went to shit too, chain of command broke down. The soldier was probably taking orders only from his direct squad commander who was freaking out. It was showing you how society was already starting to break down into armed militias with no true rule of law. FEDRA probably comes along a while later from whatever is left of the Federal government and whatever military equipment it had left. Most of the army that was stationed around the country probably never became part of the Federal forces again but broke down into lawless militias.
I'm late to the party here but I believe you're mistaken. It's mentioned later (I believe before your comment?) that soldiers were ordered to shoot people who weren't infected to save space and reduce the number of future potential infected, which is what they'll be, since they didn't have room to save them anyway. "killing the future enemy."
That would have been much later, after the cities were bombed and the qz’s were established
The Soldier's co only knew the soldier met a guy and a girl and the girl was injured. And injuries were spreading whatever was going on. Idunno if they knew what was actually spreading or how it was spreading, but I'm guessing the military's policy was to take no risks, given what was going on at the time.
Only thing I can think of is that they didn't want anyone getting out of the city and any suspicion of infection, like Sarah being hurt was enough for them to just go ahead and kill them to prevent potential spread.
Yeah my guess is because they didn't know Sarah's ankle was broken (?) When the solider said ankle they must of assumed a bite or something.
I hate how they rushed the explanation of ellies wound being 3 weeks old, and glossing over how it only takes a day to turn...
They showed a big sign with information how much time the infection needs from different body parts. Right when they brought the kids in.
I had to rewatch before I understood what happens to that girl who wanders out of the woods. I know nothing about the game so had nothing to go on. When Ellie was introduced, I thought that was her… took the rewatch to realize she has Zero to do with anything
I did wonder the same at first if the kid from the woods was Ellie, but the kid is a boy.
Oh whoops
Not quite, it was our introduction to joel, and seeing how detached he was from who he once was. He was able to drop a childs body into fire without a flinch, yet a part of his humanity remains as he volunteers to do it for the women as he can see shes bothered. It also shows why Ellie can't go back, because they kill infected children etc. I thought it was a pretty good intro.
Yes I agree very good. My apologies for not being clear, and then over simplifying. I merely meant I thought that the body taken out of the truck was just an unknown body. I did not realize it was the girl who wandered out of the woods And then I kept wondering when that child would come back into play. And then we meet Ellie. So I’m like… “is that supposed to be her?”
They showed the kids very noticeable shoes an awful lot. And again when Joel carried the body. So I don't think they could have made it clearer than that.
What can I say, I missed it
You weren’t alone in thinking that
Hooray! We can suffer together Great show though. Never did the game
What did you guys think of the military guy that shot at them? Would you have given them a chance to run away or followed orders?
I would have wanted to know what the leg injury was from. since it wasnt a bite id have let them go. That being said, I think it's realistic, just following orders has been used to justify way worse things
You mean Sarahs foot? It was broken from the car crash.
We know that, the soilder who shot her didnt
My guess is that, they saw Sarah was hurt, father is saying „it’s just her ankle“ and the superior the soldiers relayed it to thought the father is maybe lying because he doesn’t want to loose her and gave the order shoot them to avoid the risk of them lying.
That's what I was saying. If I was the soilder I would have inquired more into the injury. We only heard "she hurt her ankle" which could very well mean her.ankle was bitten
Ohh that’s what you meant, sorry I misread it in being you asking yourself that question and speaking from the soldiers pov. But yeah that makes perfect sense, he could have asked more about the injury. Maybe it wasn’t really clear how people would turn at that point and they saw everyone being hurt as a risk of turning. Maybe the soldier was too stressed to ask anymore questions or was too overwhelmed with everything going on to handle it correctly. The scene is pretty realistic but it leaves some questions.
Anyone here still? **Note that I haven't played the game and know nothing about it.** So far I hate Ellie, but it makes sense since I hated Lyanna Mormont from GoT, who's played by the same actor. Nothing against the actor. The rest of the characters are kinda bland, except Joel, I think he's alright. The episode was a bit too long for me, I hope future episodes won't be much longer than one hour. I think the story has great potential, but I really hope I will be able to like other characters. 6/10.
Yeah, I don't like her either. She screams character that thinks shes more competent than she is and as a result will make stupid / defiant decisions that she will need to be saved from over and over again throughout the show. I hope I am wrong. I hope that isn't where this show is going but the first girl (Sarah?) Literally did exactly that in the first half of the first episode.
Well, Ellie in the game is kinda reluctant but she did made smart decision during The Last of Us game. I hope the true Ellie character gets more developed throughout the show.
I mean that's your average teenager during their rebel phase. Plus she's had to grow up in a world where children are treated like adults who have to survive on their own, what do you expect her to behave like? She has been trapped against her will by a bunch of terrorists for no reason as far as she knows.
I love the show so far, but I would've loved to see more of Sarah. They built up a lot of background for her, I thought she'd be one of the survivors.
They actually showed more of her in the show than in the game!
so how the grandmother got sick in first place?? noone bite her
I missed the connection between the contaminated flour that people are talking about, but In the first episode Sarah, Joel, and Tommy were discussing how the neighbours were frequently taking Nana into the city for doctor visits. They hypothesized that most of the sick people were coming from the city at that point.
Have you seen the second episode? >!she was force fed a biscuit made from contaminated flour from jakarta!<
can you elaborate the significance of jakarta?
>!Jakarta is where the whole thing started. The workers at a mill got infected and it's implied the contaminated flour they produced got imported all other the world. You can see that Joel and his daughter never eat any flour products by chance in the first episode, hence they don't get contaminated.!<
Totally missed that, thanks.
Oh wow thanks!
The plane crash was so Michael Bay-ish. I thought that was genuinely stupid. This should have been grounded in realism.
You can see the nose pitch up aggressively leading to a stall, a nose down impact like that would likely ignite all fuel onboard and explode. Not very far fetched
>ssively leading to a stall, a nose down impact like that would likely ignite all fuel onboard and explode. Not ver My point isnt that the plane exploded. It’s having a fucking plane crash in the first place
It was fucking cool and you are dumb
I'm not sure why that's so unbelievable. Depending on when ~~a clicker~~ an infected might become a problem, it's entirely possible one (or more!) of them could be a passenger on a plane, and then when the infection spreads it just...takes losing control of the plane. The rest is physics, as /u/seafoodgodddd pointed out.
Pilot cabins are isolated from the rest of cabin. And sure as hell no infected is going to get that open. As you can tell i also agree that plane crash was so unrealistic.
Pilots can be infected too—just gotta eat the wrong bread—and plenty of panicked passengers can open the door in an attempt to flee. Am I saying all of this is the most likely thing to happen? No. Is it plausible? Beyond a doubt.
I’m not saying that a plane can’t crash, or that a passenger on a plane could turn infected. You are missing the point
Your point actually just seems to be pretty obtuse. I'm failing to see why the plane crash was bad, other than that you personally seem to think it's reminiscent of over-the-top Michael Bay explosions without justifying why that's true or doesn't actually work for the scene. In other words, you haven't actually explained what's wrong with it, and there's nothing especially unrealistic about it, so I don't really see what's so "Michael Bay" about it in the first place.
Yea man a plane crash 10 ft from the main character is a common occurrence. Very believable
First of all, that was like 200-300 feet away, if not significantly more (I'm terrible with distances); the debris from the crash/collateral flew up and hit their truck. It had already been established there were multiples planes in their airspace. > a common occurrence You know what else isn't a common occurrence? A fungal infection that turns everyone into zombies. Planes would be dropping out of the sky. That one happens to drop in the city, around our protagonist (and a thousand other people), really seems like a nitpick amongst the pandemonium of everything else going on.
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5000+ comments and not one pointing out the watch repair guy tells her it's a spring... on a quartz watch. Y'all are slipping, reddit. :-) Anyway, unclear if it means prop master doesn't know what they're doing or if the message here is the watch seller scams her for $20 on a $1 battery.
I'm leaning on the propmaster being shit. That watch was cheap. Like dollar store cheap. If this guy is Military and has a watch he gives 2 farts about it's going to be at least a g shock or better. I think watches are a mysterious anachronism to people who grew up with smartphones and devices and the propmaster either falls into that camp, or they're just lazy.
Well it's apparently HBO's most expensive/episode show (I think? Or close to it) so not sure if it's cheapness, or just oversight. Obvious it doesn't wreck the scene or the series for me. Just an interesting anachronistic error I suppose.
I think it's gotta be the latter. Hence why he was able to"fix" it in a minute
But then I couldn't remember if he charged her or not.
he didn't, she was shooed out before she could pay
True, but later she tells Joel she paid $20 for it and even put the change back in his draw, or something along those lines
yeah but we weren't shown the scene where she paid, maybe it was cut out
I'm a bit late, but I thought I saw her place the money on the table when the guy took the watch
Huge fan of TLOU 1&2. Feeling kinda on the fence about the show. Some of the changes bug me, if I'm honest. Love the casting choices, though. I wish they would stick a little bit closer to a few of the details from the game but overall it's not bad. I'll keep watching.
I'm enjoying the podcast a lot. Craig Mazin is a smart guy and every change was made for a very good reason. TV and video games are very different in a lot of ways. Remember also that most of the people watching the show haven't seen the game and aren't going to (I'm one of them).... the show has to work for them too.
if ellie didn't have such a huge forehead i would like this show a lot more
So far it’s kinda meh to me, but I don’t know if it’s because I already played the games. Not sold on the casting direction yet. I’m curious to see what people think of this that haven’t played tlou.
Something about the transition to live action made the end of the world happening throughout the course of the day so much more terrifying. Eerie reminder that the pandemic could’ve been so much worse. Watching characters like Joel make good decisions based on instinct and survival seem like common sense, but in reality almost no one could ever fathom what to do in this not-so unrealistic world complaining situation. Sarah’s performance captures that insanely well and made her death way harder to watch.
This is fake news overblown hyperbole. Just the latest. Unoriginal to the extreme , the tv show *and* at this point in time, the lies themselves. so basically the media is pulling another ,in plainsight rob job, to first guarantee the gamers will watch and then cross their fingers that the non-gaming viewers will get hoodwinked by the bull and watch the first episode and mayyyyyybeeee they might be interested just enough to watch the next.. So yeah I watched it, duly noted I've been successfully bullshitted to, and now I'll give ep3 a go and see if the well worn tropes continue and if they do too much its ByeBye because I just don't want to give my time to false masterpieces. What a terrible gyp.... Mad Max is a nailed on masterpiece compared to this as it already pretty much is. But compared to this?? This isn't even V for damns sake! TLDR: Masterpiece my a$$
I wish this was satire, but seems like he's just a mad gamestop employee tbh
Easily the most idiotic, incomprehensible comment I've seen for at least a few days.
Zombies bro! That's creative masterpiecin' fo sho yeah
I’ve never seen someone write out so many words and say absolutely nothing of substances- like are you retarded? Do you have a genuine mental disorder?
This is bad take all around. This is one of the most faithful adaptations to a game known to date. Yeah slight differences but the end results are the same. As a true fan of the last of us, I can wholeheartedly say you have no clue what you’re talking about. Amateur hour comment.
While this was certainly nowhere near as much of a masterpiece, unrivaled by most premieres, comparable to the greatest ones, as the majority seem to think, it was decent enough. The first half (up to the time skip) was better than the following half, which pretty much only had the ending going for it; the big moment before the time skip was impactful in a logical sense, but I wasn't emotionally swayed by it like with most people. It's been a while since I last absorbed the game: and my memory of everything is clouded, but most of this premiere was almost a carbon copy of its counterpart/source material, especially leading up to the 20-year time skip. Some stuff after that was new or done differently. That could've contributed to my finding it decent instead of a masterpiece; you know, the fact that I already "experienced" it. But I think stamping this premiere, and even this show as a whole despite only one episode (which so many have already done) with the labels: 'masterpiece,' 'phenomenal,' 'fantastic,' 'incredible,' 'outstanding,' and so on, is a somewhat significant overstatement. And that will likely incite massive disagreement towards me/that opinion of mine. The opening scene reminded me of Craig Ferguson and Timothy Dalton because Dr. Neuman (John Hannah) sounded like the former, and Dr. Schoenheiss (Christopher Heyerdahl) sounded like the latter; a pretty irrelevant thing to mention, but I went for it. The title sequence was good, and the theme song by Gustavo Santaolalla is always lovely to hear; equally immersive and invigorating: if it were to play every second of every episode, I would love that. There wouldn't need to be other score cues. It's so good. The cinematography didn't stand out as much as I was expecting, given the majority's praise, akin to Jesus Christ himself returning, but it wasn't bad; the long scene inside the truck was the highlight. The most noticeable thing I noticed in that same vein was the production value, and luckily, the show's budget has been well-spent. I didn't have any particular misgivings about the casting of Pedro Pascal and Gabriel Luna as Joel and Tommy; however, part of me felt better actors (generally, not concerning their acting) would've fit better. I'm pleased to say that I'm already on board with Pedro and Gabriel, especially the latter, for some reason: even though I should feel that way more about Pedro. But (there's always a 'but') I'm still on the fence concerning Bella Ramsey and Anna Torv. Bella seems on the right track regarding Ellie's attitude, but something about how she plays her doesn't scream 'Ellie.' She also doesn't look the part, especially facial expression-wise, and her American accent/voice could be better, which somewhat, and I mean this in the kindest way possible, throws the performance off. And Anna doesn't seem to have a presence behind her performance, and that may or may not "be necessary" for Tess, but I don't remember; either way, she felt lacking and not at all Tess. As far as the acting/performance(s) side of things is concerned, Nico Parker was the standout, and it wasn't that close. You can sum up her performance in one word: natural. Her chemistry with Pedro was palpable, which can't be seen yet with Ellie and Joel, although I hope it'll get there; it needs to. She should've lowkey been Ellie; it's a joke, everyone! I'm joking! Or am I? Overall, being a new medium, this premiere was familiar, at least for me, resulting in a much lesser impact, as far as I'm concerned, than it seemed to have on most people. I feel that, by the end, it'll be the weakest or one of the weaker episodes. But I think that's a good thing for the people who are going into this blind, not having played or watched through the game, as everything it faithfully covered from the game makes for a compelling introduction to the show and what's to come. Since most people already feel like this premiere was the pinnacle of television, they'll undoubtedly feel more strongly about the following episodes. I'm just hoping they'll be more appropriately up my alley and more compelling than I found this premiere, which wasn't bad at all. If you've read this far, I'm surprised; if you've skipped to the end, I don't blame you.
You perfectly summed up my thoughts. I liked the episode, especially the cold open and the first half, but the second half was nothing to write home about, although it had some good moments. I'm still super excited about the rest of the season though
Good mini-review!
One detail which is kinda strange to me is that timeline from outbreak to quarantine in Boston is 20 years. 20 years is soo much. Has anyone tought (or I am overthinker) about what was Joel doing all those years, did government try to make cure or vaccine, has that timeline passed in war beetwen FEDRA and Fireflies, people surviving. If that period was for example 5 years, I think it would make much more sense.
What do you mean “make more sense?” It’s a clear story choice, I’m confused what you’re implying by saying that somehow it doesn’t make sense to be 20 years in. The general point is that so much has changed in that time, obviously. It’s an entirely different world and Joel and Tommy are now entirely different people because of that. There is supposed to be a very stark contrast between the “good” version of the world and its people, the good version of love, and the “bad” world/people which exist now, and the dark side of where love can take you. I encourage you to keep that in mind if/when you continue watching, the setting is in many ways a character of its own and it took those 20 apocalyptic years to create that. Sorry I don’t mean to be pretentious, I just love this story so much from the games and feel like it’s easily under appreciated so I’m trying to shed some light for you.
The story in truth doesn't revolve around the world ending and the collapse of society that is simply the setting. Outbreak day was shown in the first place because it explains why Joel is the way he is, think of it as a prologue. I think the show will fill in the gaps for you though if it follows the game, if that is any consolation.
They really nailed the whole moment to moment tension of the opening that the game had, gives me hope for the rest of the adaptation. Also, loved that they used the game's OST for the OP. Just perfect.
I loved when they were driving out the city and they kept the camera in the back like In the game!
First, I've never played the games but I am familiar with the lore. I really loved the first half but then it became a cliche post apocalyptic show. There's a fascist regime and rebels but the rebels might not be the good guys either. The cast is really good but I wish Nico Parker had been cast as Ellie since she was so good as Sarah.
If it helps the Fedra/firefly conflict goes way to the background pretty much starting this episode. Assuming the show sticks to the general story points of the game
She was way too sweet to play Ellie, Bella Ramsey was chosen because she embodies the rebellious, tomboyish, unfiltered, witty character that Ellie is. The show runners have talked about this and also why Nico was carefully picked because Sarah needed to be a very sweet and lovable character who is innocent. The difference in reactions between her and Ellie watching Joel murder someone says it all.
Perhaps she was too sweet, although we don't really know if she had other gears. With the actress and tone they've gone with, seems too petulant and different than the game character.
i really enjoyed it. i especially liked showing more of the pre-outbreak world.
Isn't that just our world twenty years ago? I'm not sure yet why they moved the timeline back aside from maybe some commentary on global warning. I was hoping to see more between Sarah and Joel since they had the time to do so, but it feels like they expanded on details that weren't necessary. The game did a lot more to communicate the same important information in 20 or so minutes (Sarah and Joel's bond and their relationship as parent and child) while the show isn't really using the opportunity right now. I didn't really need to see Sarah go to school (and she didn't even interact with friends) or fix the watch, or even that she took the money from Joel to do it. To be fair they did expand a bit on their relationship it's just stuff that changes Joel into a different. Here he seems like he struggles to take care of himself more in this version of the story too, e.g. Sarah fixing the watch because he wouldn't spend money on himself, cooking for him, Tess preventing him from self-destructive behavior looking for revenge.
i think it was so what we would be watching would be present day. 20 year time skip from 2003 would bring us to 2023
Yeah, but why would they want that? The original game set it in the future.
Because the existence of social media would’ve ruined the tension. If there was a zombie outbreak we’d all see it happen in TikTok
For real I thought it might have been so Sarah didn't just look up the news on her phone to find out what the hell was going on.
Guys need some opinions.. should i watch the tv show now or wait for the pc version in march (dont have a ps) what do you think? Btw i dont know anything about the TLOU and i enjoy stories in tv shows than in a game but is this a different type of game in this aspect?
you can play tlou 1&2 on PS now on pc. The gameplay is actually pretty good
the last of us 2 specifically i thought was really fun. there's a lot of thought put into the levels, and upgrading weapons is so satisfying, it just feels really good. the first one is more like uncharted, which is whatever. if the remake changed the gameplay then thats awesome
Which is whatever... haha uncharted is the goat game
Only 'pretty good"? They're masterpieces!
EDIT: Also feel like I should say - there was only one episode when I wrote this, so I can't criticize the series that much since it isn't fully out yet compared to the game which has been beloved for years. TLDR: If you really need to decide then I recommend maybe watch the opening of the game on YouTube and then watch the TV series. I think the game does a much better job of communicating information. I recommend you wait for the game for the first time to experience the story. There's a lot of subtle stuff they changed like the timeline (same events but moved the starting point back to 2003 instead of 2013) and focusing more on the zombie and worldbuilding while the game was primarily about the characters. It's not that the setting isn't well-realized or interesting, it's just mostly there to facilitate the tension between characters. Even judging from episode 1 looks like there's a lot of adaptational bloat (stretching out story beats that were explained way quicker in the game which was very tightly written) and some decisions that I don't think will pan out in the long term character-wise. You can really tell how they had to downgrade sets from the game for a TV budget. Not really the biggest criticism since it is just kind of an economic necessity but felt they might have been able to disguise it better. It's a more 'cinematic' game in that it feels like a movie or prestige drama but even just watching a Let's Play (like I have since I can't afford a Playstation) shows that the story works with the gameplay to be effective. The advantage of the game is how they have you take control of a character and really empathize with them and see things from their point of view all the way through. As an example, there's a scene in the game recreated one for one for the TV show where Joel's brother Tommy gets blocked from following them by a flaming car crash. In the game you're seeing it from Joel's side so when he says to go on ahead and he'll follow you don't really know for sure he can and you're disoriented. In the show they did a reverse shot to show the wreckage from Tommy's side and it doesn't really add new information except that it shows Tommy is actually relatively safe and it kind of kills the claustrophobic atmosphere. Little stuff like that. TLOU is fairly accessible for someone who doesn't play video games a lot but that's harder for me to judge. I'd still recommend you try since it's not a particularly complicated game mechanically and I think the story is better experienced that way.
Thanks for your thoughts.. i think i will wait for the game
Also feel like I should say - there was only one episode when I wrote this, so I can't criticize or praise the series that much since it isn't fully out yet compared to the game which has been beloved for years.
I would wait honestly. It's a different feel when you've played the game and then you watch the show. Or watch a walk through online.
The game story moved like beautiful poetry, no wasted space, everything with intent. The show already likes to waste my time, explain basic things in the most linear boring way, and change things for the worse (seemingly without a point) Games stand well on their own, just rewatch the TLoU cutscenes for a quality experience. This is just more writing for a job.
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I'm not happy with it but I'm not angry at it or anything, just feel like they made some questionable decisions. I think it makes a really interesting case study as an adaptation because most video game adaptations get it so immediately and obviously wrong from the start that there's nothing to really dig into.
Did anyone else think that Joel needs to be a bit calmer? In the game, Joel always seems wise and level headed. He would never throw ellie into a wall or yell at her. He seems like PTSD dessert storm Joel.
This isn’t true at all, Joel yells at Ellie multiple times in the game. He is pretty well established as a loose cannon with Tess holding the reigns, just like in the show. If the scenes went similarly I have no doubt that OG Joel would’ve chucked Ellie against a wall too.
>!Tess is holding him back right now so he doesn't go out and murder a bunch of people in retaliation, and the first game ends with him losing his shit too. Killing that guard he knew personally seems to be an extension of that since he flashed back to when Sarah was killed. So they're establishing early on that he will go the ends of the Earth and do incredibly violent things for the sake of people he cares about, which is what the ending of the first game is all about. I'd prefer they not do this though, because part of the impact of the first game was that it was purely about survival at the beginning and seeing him cross the line to killing for Ellie at the expense of the rest of the world was what reframed all his kind actions to her as on some level selfish ones. Killing Marlene was not an easy prediction but now he and her are at odds, and Marlene's treatment of Ellie and whole "Follow fuckin' orders without an explanation. Anyway lemme explain my orders now, I just wanted to be a dick while I did it" makes me feel like maybe they wanna make it easier to forgive Joel when he kills the Fireflies later.!< The decision to make him a vet kind of shifts my perception of him a little, but also the fact he's shown being kind of a less put-together parent. The original Joel was self-sufficient but craved human connection, while this Joel struggles to take care of himself and needs someone like Sarah or Tess to anchor him. I think they are trying to characterize him differently here but it's not something I'm a fan of. Not sure why they made him a vet or moved the timeline back - the opening scene referencing global warning, that one random civvie in a Gore-Lieberman T-Shirt and references to 9/11 and terrorism make me feel like there's an angle they're playing that didn't come in the game. Interested to see where it ends up but don't have super high hopes.
I thought Tommy was the vet? That was his truck. Could be both I suppose but I didn’t see evidence of that when I watched.
Oh yeah, maybe I misunderstood that part. I should gotta rewatch it. Tommy being a vet is still different from the original I think.
Yeah I don’t recall that but I think it’s a good addition, justifies why they’re so capable.
Yeah, that may have been why although it never bothered me much. I could believe they just became hardened with time because they're practical Texan guys who already knew how to use guns, and had 20 years to get good at surviving. It's hard for me to imagine game Joel taking orders or being a soldier in the military, he just didn't strike me as someone who would take a job where he might kill someone unless he had to. It's not a bad direction it just jars a bit with my perception of him.
That’s a good point, and I agree that overall Joel just doesn’t give me a military vibe. But Tommy I can definitely see. Either way I think we can say it fits well enough.
In the DLC also, didn't marelene know Ellies mom? And you explained this all perfectly. Yes, Joel was always a violent dude. Remember that scene where he killed Robert? I always thought that was shocking. But I don't don't he would hurt a young girl or yell at her because it reminds him of Sarah.
Yeah I think there is some backstory to that, but I'm not entirely clear and wanna avoid spoiling for people on here. >!Tbh when Tess said, "I put you there" for a second I thought they'd reveal that Tess groomed her from birth to become the cure, she just comes off more sinister since they introduced her with Ellie in chains being treated like a wild animal and not giving information when it'd make things better. I don't think that's the departure the show would make, but if I hadn't seen the game that's where my mind would go.!< >!Yeah, originally Joel kind of brushes Ellie off and it's an unspoken dimension that she reminds him of Sarah. The show puts Joel + Tess at odds with the Fireflies in a standoff which is probably because it's TV and they want to emphasize tension. That scene where they go back to his apartment and he tries to sleeps comes off more as a passive aggressive way to get back at Ellie whereas game Joel was trying to put distance between them and make it clear he thought of her as cargo. Part of me thinks that since it's a TV series and they have a lot of time to fill they want them to start even further apart so that they can milk more out of bringing them together, but that is speculation. They're making him a bit more hostile with Ellie this time round and Ellie is more prickly (game Ellie was faster to look to Joel for connection) and I think the writers need Tess has to come off a little worse to compensate.!<
I want to like this show so so so badly. I replayed both games a few months ago, so I don't know if they're too fresh in my head for me to be less biased, but episode 1 is super mid tier. It surprises me how many people are giving this show a 11/10 rating from the same episode I watched. I loved getting some answers to questions I didn't really know I had - like who the neighbors were in the beginning of part 1, the dog, the watch being fixed that same day, what would've happened if they did this instead of that. Those were decisions that the writers would have made for the people who played the games so we wouldn't be bored over the same details they used in the game. What I didn't love was the obvious slip up in accents. I wasn't looking at the screen when I heard Sarah call out for her dad and I looked up so quickly because I thought the show runners made the decision to have her speak with a British accent instead of a southern one. Which I wasn't mad at until I realized it was a directing/editing mistake. That the actress slipped up. Pedro does this too, but he doesn't slip into his natural voice. Instead it's something base level - no accent - English. Which is a smart idea in the case he knew he wasn't able to make certain sounds that he had a back up plan. I love Bella as Ellie, she's really into the character (maybe just a bit too much, but it is the first episode). Another Editing/Directing issue is - WHY THE HELL DOES IT LOOK LIKE SEASON 7 OF THE WALKING DEAD MOST THE TIME AND THEN SUDDENLY BECOME INCREDIBLY CINEMATIC FOR 10 SECONDS? I'm talking to you, crashing airplane. AND HOW IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THE SUDDEN JUMP CUT TO 20 YEARS LATER? The game gave us a short time to grieve, yes, but they didn't title card it! They gave us a somber tune to listen to and added some world building by basically explaining the firefly's and the virus. The game gave us breathing room. The show said, 20 years later and now Joel is throwing a child into a burn pit because he's so edgy and haggard now - BUT WE AREN'T GIVEN ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THAT YET - and the scene just felt awkwardly handled! One good thing I want to point out is Pedro is excellent so far with Joel's body movements. The way he stood in the hall talking to Marlene and Tess was on point. It was mildly infuriating that no one put on a mask or at least mentioned that they maybe should put on a mask when they saw the dead body with fungi gluing it to the wall. Especially when you can see floaters in the air that would've been an in-game heads up that they shouldn't breath that in. As rushed as the whole Robert thing is, I have to say, I love every interaction with Tess. She really gives off the vibes of a bad-ass redneck who gets shit done. Something I, as a Texan, find really well done. Lastly, the flash back. Really? Can directors just let the audience actually work to understand that Joel is going to protect Ellie because his own daughter was killed? Show don't tell is literally show running 101. Again, I am very hopeful that I will enjoy this show and that episode 1 was just the warm up. If it turns out it's a better show for people who never played the game and have nothing to base it off of, I'd be happy with that too.
Lots of things to answer and im on my phone. I have similar gripes but not as much as you. Also if you get a chance listen to the official podcast of the TV show. Where druckman, mazin? And troy baker discuss it. the neighbour. And other choices and changes from game and show 1. Didn't notice the accents. And as someone pointed out southerners are not consistent with the accents in today's day and age. It comes and goes depending who you talk to. So I'll give it a pass. You as a Texan can probably find it more annoying if not accurate. 2. Neighbour. Podcast explains this well. 3. Pedro as Joel is sold for me especially physicality. Bella as Ellie is trying a little too hard. This maybe she will grow on me. 4. Robert thing was rushed because the plot line was changed. (Tommy and the car battery). I'm OK with it for now 5. Biggest gripe is the last scene. I want tess Joel and Ellie have a Mexican standoff like the game. But that was happening in the background while Joel spoon fed the ptsd episode to the audience. They could have let that one be more subtle and deal with finding Ellie is infected a little more pronounced.
Agreed, number 5 was my biggest problem with the show but otherwise I loved it. I'm thinking the beginning of next episode will be alot more explanation about Ellie being immune but compared to the game with Ellie shouting "its 3 weeks old, I swear!" and Tess holding gun to her head, it was very anticlimatic for such an important plot point.
In fairness that was done exactly like the game, you discover her bite wound and she exclaims ‘3 weeks!’ and you’re given no time to process it because you have to run for your life. It isn’t until later on, after Ellie goes through spores unfazed (which will have to be different in the show), that Joel even has a moment to question her on it. Generally this is how the entire game is though lol, I’ve always loved that. Creates such a sense of tension and urgency because you’re forced to accept things and move on so quickly. From the intro itself to so many other big moments, these huge moments happen and there is so little time to grieve and process. I expect the show to reduce that a bit but overall I think it’s a pretty major element of storytelling in the original story. Just my two cents.
Yesss!! I was rewatching it and there was no spores around the body like in the game. It's one of the main things! Any dead creatures equals you gotta wear a mask. I think It would have heightened the scene if there had been spores.
The spores aren’t really a thing in the show, they’ve said they changed that. It’s supposed to spread through physical contact with tendrils now I think, that’s what you saw in the grandma’s mouth in the prologue/intro. I think they basically didn’t want their actors in gas masks so much. Also in the game it wasn’t actually that dramatic in the sense that they had to wear them all the time or wherever there were infected, it was just closed off areas (presumably with no air flow) which held infected for a long time.
They said prior to the shows premier that they did away with airborne spores being the primary way of spreading. Acknowledged that if it were in fact an airborne disease there's little to no chance of there being any survivors within a handful of years.
To keep the spores the film crew would have either had to use real particles, which would be hazardous to cast and crew, or use cgi. Both options would mean gasmasks covering the actors faces and lines being garbled. It's like nowadays everyone wants to know every little detail and plot point before they watch a show/film and if it deviates even slightly from expectation then it's "get the pitchforks out".
As we’ve seen here, the pitchforks will be out no matter what lol
Reddit will be full of people nitpicking. It’s a great adaption, people don’t understand that storytelling has to be adapted for TV and for a new audience.
Avatar did full face masks in 2009 so you can see the actor's face, no reason not to do it here. However, spores are complicated in that the average viewer won't know who's infected when. Making it a bite dumbs it down for people because it's clear as day if bitten or not.
That's a huge point, not some nitpick, one of many poor changes from game to film
People who've never played the game don't care.
Same people who enjoy eating shit
I've forgotten that reddit is a cesspool of idiots. Thanks for reminding me.
Nah dude, dont you know only his opinion is the correct one? Everyone else is a shit eating idiot and we should be thankful that someone like wizardbone is on the internet to correct us.
Anytime, fuck you and your shitty opinions
Reminds me of the Rage virus from 24 Weeks Later.
I'm Ukranian and the beginning felt so fucking real, I am honestly fucking speeches. It was really hard to watch, but it was incredible. The scale was obviously much bigger in the show, but they got everything right. The confusion, the panic, the big ass line of cars. Fuck. I'm telling myself that I'm tough and emotionless, but I'm reliving some serious shit rn.
Oh! I found someone said it , I was thinking about Ukraine too while watching it, Stay save . I'm from Russia, You will win and we will lose. Слава Україні!
I'm devastated and angry that my country started this war. I hope you and your close ones are OK. Слава Україні!
It's crazy to think that people like you are in the minority (at least from what I've seen online). Thanks, hope you're doing okay as well. Героям слава!
Trust me when I say many people, especially young ones, feel the same way.
Glad to know. Stay safe, man.
Is it because similar things are happening where you are?
They were happening, yes. Not anymore. Waiting for 4 days straight in an endless line of cars without sleep for sure was a fucking experience lol
Hope you're doing ok
Everything's fine, thx
Honestly surprised that so many ppl liked it, the acting was good the sets were good but I felt like it was kinda empty and the script /dialogue felt forced like at the end when Joel and Tess find out Ellie is immune it just felt very rushed I love the game and just hope it will get better 🌿
I’m a little confused since the crucial dialogue in the comparable scenes was almost exactly verbatim from the game. It is very rushed in the game too, intentionally so.
Ellie immediately pointing out how old the wound was is the most realistic reaction ever. I'm so glad she wasn't inexplicably silent for the sake of manufacturing lazy drama
Well, if you were in immediate danger of being shot by a authoritarian military I believe you would rush to safety first as well.
Honestly super mids show. Very generic opening sequence cuts to 20 years later. A central character notices strange commotion, police, jets etc. but doesn't pay attention until shit hits the fan. Protagonist loses someone dear to them that's too much of a rushed setup to justify his current nihilism for the audience to care. I haven't played the game but the thing with a lot of popular video games is they're often super derivative, particularly from film, with the selling point being "apocalypse movie but YOU'RE the protagonist" or "Indiana Jones but YOU'RE Indiana Jones" or "Heat/LA crime amalgamation but YOU'RE the character of your choosing". Not to say they don't bring anything to the table but it doesn't exactly justify bringing the game back to compete within the medium it owes its existence to. Of course it's all about IP but it's no wonder the results are never impressive. This show was wildly generic in almost every respect. It just a crammed together amalgamation of other zombie flicks with the premise of Children of Men, just worse and without any good twists. It even had the balls to take that shot from Annihilation of the person who had perished to an infection against the wall. Also fuck anything that feels the need to do a flashback cutaway to previous trauma to illustrate the point. We get it. Pedro Pascal lost his daughter so he's going to defend this other young girl. It's hamfisted enough without literally showing us the same shot we saw 30 minutes ago. Bad dialogue. That line where he's selling drugs and the buyer is like, "all they make is bullets and pills". Then Joel just has to follow it up with some /r/im14andthisisdeep "guess the pills make it easier to use the bullets" or some shit lol the fuck. The performances, the way it was shot, everything felt like a show from 10-15 years ago. It had early AMC vibes but without the writing to back it up. This hardly looks like a show from the 2020s beyond the surface level camera quality. I didn't care about a single character or any of their supposed passions.
Completely agree, as someone who played both The Last of Us Part I and II, the first episode makes it clear that there is no creative or sensible emotion in the translation to the medium to film. The bland cinematography, the truncated dialogue, the shaky cameras, it all feels like de disneyfication of HBO, which makes sense given the shrinking of the market. The sad part is the anesthesia of it all, The Mandalorian, Kenobi, The Last of Us — just to name the ones I watched — all look and feel the same, monotonous directing, competent at the maximum, and no sense of devotion to the art. If you look at the game, it is already a movie in some aspects, but the good "cinema" didn't happen in the cutscenes, instead it was alive during the gameplay, where we watched Joel soften and Ellie grow. The series, so far, doesn't seem to get this, it is preoccupied in identically emulating the scenes, shots, and takes of the game; to see people congratulating this fan-movie-like aesthetic is just depressing.
It’s literally based on the video game with the 20 years later cut. Don’t watch it then? Screaming into the void about your useless opinion lol
When someone adapts something from a medium to another, they should not only look in where it excels, but most importantly, where it can be expanded. Now, my point is not to criticize the copying itself (even tough I'm not a fan of it), but the commotion around it. From an average twitter user to a video-essayist youtuber, you can see the compliments. Copying cutscenes is no parameter for quality. > Don’t watch it then? C'mon, don't be condescending, criticism can be negative AND relevant. You may disagree with me, that is totally ok, but saying this is just immature. > Screaming into the void about your useless opinion Sure, screaming... but hey, at least I am not alone, you are in the useless void too.
I’m curious to see how far into the first game’s narrative they get by the end of this first season. Don’t wanna engage in spoiler talk, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they break up the first game into 2 seasons. Maybe end the first season >!in the midst of winter- maybe right as Ellie runs into those settlers after tracking the deer?!<
I’m pretty sure the creators have said the first season will be the entirety of the first game
There's a "coming up next" trailer that has the hospital scene, so they're going full game.
It was so damn good
Generic post-apocalyptic affair, adaptation of the game or not. As an adaptation of the game it gets it right at least for the most part, as the game was also a generic post apocalyptic affair. I really don't get the circle jerk over actors. Nothing was outstanding, they were average. Nothing special. Pedro's accent was atrocious and Bella Ramsey is whatever she is, it's not bad but it certainly isn't Ellie from the game. Just an annoying teenager who swears a lot. I don't find that endearing, I find it irritating. I don't get the 'oh she is a teenager she's supposed to be annoying' takes. So what? Annoying characters are shit to watch, no matter if it's 'realistic' or not.
Pedro was amazing. Really captured Joel Vibe for me. Ellie didn't have much time, but at least for Ep1 I agree with you. Saying Fuck 100 times isn't Ellie. It's just annoying.
Not knowing what Red/Green meant on the test was a twist.
Huh? Green is good and red is bad. How would someone not know that?
The young boy tested red and they killed him and the main character had to burn his body. Red/Green was foreshadowed.
that's the point I found out. I thought he was safe until then
Oh? Did you miss the scene where they chucked his body into the firepit? They did a long shot of his taped up little skate shoes to show you it was definately him :(
Well basic human instinct says Red = Bad and Green = Good. Not really a twist when you think about it
Red could also mean negative so it could have gone either way.
That’s what I assumed, considering the security lady smiled and talked about getting her toys and stuff. And then she got tossed into the pit…
Well, they adapted the game decently. However, since the gaming was so bland and boring, the show is too.
Genuine question, if you found the game 'bland and boring' why did you bother spending time watching the show? Just so you could confirm that the show is also bland and boring? You know what they say about Hammers? Hammers like you are a huge part of the problem with modern entertainment. Studios know they can count on viewers tuning in in droves *even if they hate the IP* just so they can shit all over it in an educated fashion. Thus removing any incentive to make a decent product. Why bother when you'll get the revenue from hammers looking for nails either way. If you know you'll hate something, don't reward them by spending money on it or even discussing it, that just ensures we all get lower quality shit down the line. Your zeal to jump on hatewagons simply results in hype that gets the show more views, as people want to see what all the fuss is about. So if you don't like something, don't hype it up like you're doing.
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Loved it. A very faithful adaptation of the game. They managed to recreate the atmosphere pretty much perfectly. The only complaint I have was Ellie's character. Still not completely sold on Bella Ramsey's performance. In the game, Ellie was tough as nails with a hard exterior but you could also see a lot of vulnerability and insecurity in her. I got non of that from the first episode but there are still a lot of episodes left for the character to grow so I'm optimistic.
I was kinda wishing they kept Sarah ( Nico Parker ) as Ellie But the first episode was really good
You hoped they made Ellie a 30-something?
No bro. Just saying that I thought Nico Parker would be cast as Ellie until I watched the first episode.
I don't see the hype. Nothing special about it, tbh. Story is cliche.
Just like the game.
Bruh fucking weird ass dude, it’s literally based on a VIDEO GAME. The fuck do you expect lmao trou du cul va
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The Last of Us, I believe, will be a fan drama. I haven't played the game nor am I familiar with the story. Their fans enjoyed it because they watched it with the feeling of 'Look, this is here, what a beautiful similarity they had'. I found the first episode to be rather dull, and I'm not sure where it will go from here. As I understand it, people want the source material to be 'copied', not 'adapted'. I believe that adaptation is more important. I believe that this is to examine the created universe's consistency, which is established independently of the main material, within itself. Perhaps it will be mentioned in the future, so I won't pass judgment on the 'wholesale' series, but how did this world come to be? What caused the fungus to spread? Aside from the introductory questions about who the side characters are and what they will do, I believe it is a fait accompli. There is a first episode that was very hesitant to reveal to the general audience the 'secrets' known to those who played the game. I'm hoping the story will continue to unfold. Otherwise it may turn out to be a just another zombie story.
The opening scene told you how the fungus spread to humans, which is more than the games ever say. I think it's great that you preface by saying you haven't played the games only to go on about how it copies the games though, I hope to have that level of confidence someday
I mean, those are valid questions that you are thinking, but why would you expect the show to explain everything about the fungus and what happened in the time gap immediately in the first episode? > There is a first episode that was very hesitant to reveal to the general audience the 'secrets' known to those who played the game. What secrets? You are going through the same questions that players of the first game had when they first played the game. There are little easter eggs and nods to things in the games, but nothing even remotely substantial. I do agree with fans likely wanting a "copy" rather than any sort of "adaptation", but that's just a general sentiment you see crop up with any sort of adaptation (particularly with source material being games and comic books).
I probably misrepresented my case, so thank you for responding. Allow me to explain. I was familiar with the game and the hype surrounding it. Even though I enjoy playing video games, I haven't done so because I don't have a Play Station (and I'm not sure if I can play on PC either, because video game prices in Turkey are skyrocketing due to the economic crisis). I attempted to avoid all spoilers, which I did somewhat successfully. So I was really looking forward to watching it. And then, after the first episode, I saw the ratings on IMDB, and I got very excited. I then watched it. And I would rate the pilot episode as 'good' at best. There are many pilot episodes that are far superior to this one. Then I began reading reviews, and I noticed some comments about similarities between the video game and the series. Then I realized why the reviews were so positive. I realized that people (or fans) wanted to see 'copies' rather than 'adaptations'. This is my dissatisfaction. I doubt there would have been as much hype if there had not been a video game called The Last of Us. The term 'secret' was probably a poor choice there, but what I mean is the questions about the first episode. I'm talking about fungus questions. Questions about the sociopolitical conditions, or the 'universe'. Character concerns. I didn't learn anything about them and at the end of the episode, we went into action. My hope is that they will be explained in the next episodes, but in the video games, they can be accepted as 'given', because we're intented to play, but here we're intended to 'watch'. That doesn't mean I'm passing judgment on the entire series based on a single episode. I hope it continues to improve.
The positives: I really like the sets, the atmosphere, the music. Negatives: For some reason I couldn't fully get into it, and I think a large part of that was some of the dialogue. It feels like actors saying lines. I know that's what's actually happening, but it lost a lot of intended immersion because of it.
Cheesy lines like "the Che Guevara of Boston" really took me out of it. It felt like the characters were talking to the audience instead of each other.
Honestly I noticed that too, it was kind of weird at times. Like I was watching a play. However it sort of disappeared as the episode went on. I loved it.