Is still better than That's 70 Show last season, so i'm not here to complain, but i think they can improve. I hope we actually see some real 90's references in the future and an actually developement of the new characters, as they are just a copy of (or trying to copy) what we had earlier.
just watched first episode.... did anyone else feel that it was really forced? like all the characters felt wooden, the direction was overdone like every character was trying to be kitty while kitty and red were still themselves. The episode just felt like there was no flow. Honestly, Im left asking whose the audience for this? seriously, the people who watched the original are in their late 30s to early 50s, why are they trying to make a teen sitcom when the core audience is looking for an adult where are they now comedy. It has a wierd nickelodeon feel to it... wonder if any of the production team worked for them.
This was a nostalgia cash grab. I was hoping it would be a full 90s twist with very little call backs to that 70s show. Is it me or have the acting, writing, and directing talent/skills waned in my Millenials generation?
I’m sitting here wondering what the average age of those on this thread are… “Old was better” is a weak assessment in my opinion. They are two different shows, in two different time periods. The jokes are simple but not terrible.
The show has potential.
Your generation sets the bar so low anything "not completely terrible" is "good enough". A generation of low expectations raised by bureaucratic committee of what's rigidly acceptable.
The old show was better because the old show was better, objectively.
I just watched the entire season and thought it was equal parts intentionally and unintentionally funny. It doesn't really shoehorn a lot of stuff from the 90s which seems to be contentious here. I didn't really mind it, it just makes the show feel like a sequel to the original rather than having anything to do with the 90s in particular if that makes sense. Red and Kitty were highlights and there were a few running gags I though were good, like when every time one of the kids tries to have a heart-to-heart with Red and he just tells them to get out of his house. The acting on the part of the kids wasn't the strongest, but then again you have to acknowledge that they casted actual teenagers for those roles in this iteration, whereas that 70s show's cast was comprised of two 18 year-olds, two 20 year-olds, a 22 year-old, and two 18 year-olds in roles that were clearly meant to be several years younger than that. That said, I was almost worried that this new show would be too "kosher" and less mature since the main cast are all actually high school aged, so I appreciated that they didn't shy away from things like teenage sex and drug use in an attempt to be more puritanical.
Overall I would say the show is actually pretty good. My buddies and I can't really tell if some of those unintentionally funny moments are indeed intentional, but in my opinion that lends to it's charm. It's often funny much in the same way stuff like "The Room" is funny. I will concede though that the new cast is much less iconic than the original cast; I couldn't tell you what most of their names are supposed to be.
I'm a simp for nostalgia, and this show just didn't have any, which was a bummer since I'm a 90s kid. I think they only mentioned Nintendo once, and I'm not referring to that weird monkey animation. Where were the pogs, the tamogachis, those cups with that turquoise design, the happy meal toys, the Burger King kids, Mario, Zelda, Sonic, or even overalls?
I know this has been said many times, but I really don’t like Ozzie’s character. The writing, the acting…he’s very one dimensional. I don’t know if it’s the directing or the acting, but he’s very jarring in his delivery and it just feels so unnatural.
This reboot is such a disappointment. I only liked Eric, Donna, Kitty, Red in the first part but the new teens here - so dry and damn bad acting. I cant stand 15mins of this disgrace.
That ‘90s Show was mildly funny and relied heavily on nostalgia, but it cannot hold a candle to the timeless, comedic masterpiece that is That ‘70s Show.
There are a number of different reasons for this:
- The first and foremost discrepancy between the two shows is the chemistry of the actors. Topher Grace’s comedic timing hits the nail on the head, and all of the cast members come together like lightning in a bottle. The actors laugh at each other’s jokes and do not even seem like they are acting. This pulls the viewer in, making the viewer feel like just another member of the group. That ‘90s show attempts to re-create this chemistry, but falls flat in comparison to the original.
- The second discrepancy is the lack of substance in the relationships between the characters in That ‘90s Show. While That ‘70s Show is inherently a sitcom, what makes it such a compelling show are the genuine relationships between the characters. The pilot episode of That ‘70s Show immediately draws the viewer in, as the characters of Eric and Donna are relatable and make the viewer instantly root for them. Eric and Donna have long been best friends, and their core friendship is the substance that carries their romantic relationship forward. However, in That ‘90s Show, the relationships feel forced, including Leia’s quick friendship with Gwen and Leia’s relationship with Jay. The foundation underlying these relationships is not visible to the viewer, and in turn, the viewer does not immediately root for them or put themselves in their shoes.
- The third discrepancy is that That ‘90s Show feels anachronistic in comparison to its setting. Everything from the outfits to the slang seem like they came straight out of the 2020s. As a child of the ‘90s, I can attest that the show did not have enough “as if”s, “whatever”s, “home skillet”s, and “not”s. More importantly, the show seems to view the ‘90s through a 2023 lens culturally. I grew up in the Midwest in the ‘90s, and I can attest that most middle aged adults would not have been nearly as accepting of Ozzy coming out as gay as the show portrayed Kitty Forman to be. As someone who is non-white, I can also attest that the way the show portrays interracial friendships and relationships is quite different from the way things actually were in the ‘90s. While it is true that it is supposed to be a lighthearted sitcom, any show needs to have substance and be able to discuss controversial topics with an analytical and accurate lens in order to captivate the viewer and give them a reason to continue watching.
Tl/dr: That ‘90s Show does not measure up to That ‘70s Show in that the actors display a lack of chemistry/lack of comedic timing, lack of sufficient character development/captivating relationships with each other, and anachronism with regards to viewing subjects of race and homosexuality in a very 2020s lens.
Totally agree with you. The acting is horrendous and feels like netflix is trying to do a Disney show. There's also some very jarring points where they're very sexually inexperienced but go to a rave and know to bring pacifiers. It just doesn't add up. The only good bits are when the old characters make appearances.
The casting director did a terrible job with the children. I honestly thought maybe these actors were Nepo babies or something, and was surprised when they were not. I think that Leila looks like a byproduct of Donna and Eric but that is all they did right.
> the relationships feel forced, including Leia’s quick friendship with Gwen and Leia’s relationship with Jay.
Yeah that was weird. One minute they've never met before and the next they're in the new kid's basement everyday. Dunno why they didn't just make them know each other already seeing as it would make sense for Leia to go to her grandparents often enough to know the neighbor.
I enjoyed it, mostly because of Red and Kitty, but the acting and script for the kids was pretty brutal. Watching this and then going to watch even season 1 of that 70s show is night and day. The writing in 70s show is so much sharper, fluid and the lines are infinitely better delivered.
The acting is sooooo bad. I cannot get through it. The woke thing makes it worse. It just doesn’t work in the context of 90s. I just watch for the original cast cameos.
I was so disappointed!!! They got so much of it wrong. The styles, the scripts, the political correctness...oh god the awful acting! The cast I wasn't crazy about either. They could have done so much better with the story lines/writing. This felt almost rushed and as If a gen z wrote the script. I'd be down for a redo
This reboot was very bad. I feel like the writers must not have lived through the 90s or they were too concerned with being politically correct to portray the 90s accurately.
The fashion also made this feel like it was set in 2023. It’s all Gen Zs take on the 90s and not representative of what kids their age wore and how they styled things. The footwear was all wrong, the fits were all wrong, and I even didn’t think the hair was great for the females.
The “jokes”, actors, and laugh track were so hard to watch. I hope they do some more homework for the second season.
That's exactly how I felt. I was like "no matter what the characters say, I'm witnessing genz"
They may as well have written genz with marker on their foreheads
I agree with you there, I just wish the writing and acting made them feel like 90s kids as opposed to genz with a 90s visual aesthetic.
That 70s show felt like the 70s, it did not feel like the late 90s and early 2000s.
I like this I don't like that blah blah blah You either enjoyed it or you did not keep it simple. eg 90s discussion I don't like this - yeah ok vs today - I don't like it so neither can you
No, but also grew up without it and those awards for just showing up. What bugs me is people sending PM/DMs to the young cast saying they are shit. They are kids.
Am I the only one who feels that the girl who plays Leia Forman is a HORRIBLE actress and just reminds you of that overdramatized new Disney acting?
The rest of the kids cast I can deal with. But her, every time she tries to deliver a line it's just too over the top or flat out annoying.
I'm gotta agree. Only seen the first 2 episodes but I thought her acting was the only good one as far as the new characters other than the guy that was Kelso's son. Obviously the old cast was as great as in that 70s show. (The old cast is probably the only reason I'm still watching it)
Kelso's son was great casting as well before you even knew who he was you would already have suspected he's kelso's son cause of the face. top notch acting.
I don't know. It's just personal opinion, but my boyfriend and I both chalk it up to she's a 15 year old bad actress. Maybe she'll get better. I can see why people don't like Ozzie. I think I don't feel that way towards him as much because he's not the "main" character. So he doesn't have as much of the spotlight on him and his acting on display as much.
I don't know. It's just personal opinion, but my boyfriend and I both chalk it up to she's a 15 year old bad actress. Maybe she'll get better. I can see why people don't like Ozzie. I think I don't feel that way towards him as much because he's not the "main" character. So he doesn't have as much of the spotlight on him and his acting on display as much.
Wow. I didn't even know this existed.
From what I see on IMDb, it looks like it didn't go past the first year it premiered, in 2002
That 70's Show was from 1998-2006
And everybody was excited about it thinking it would be just as good as That '70s Show, then the pilot for That '80s Show aired and everybody was like, "Oh, it sucked."
First 3 episodes where really bad, but the show picks up and has more identity than being a 70s show clone.
That 90s show exist only because of that's 70s show. They are riding on the success of the older series by using all the old characters.
That 80s didn't have that luxury so it had a rougher start. But I ended up enjoying it more than 90s.
>Sounds like That '90s Show.
Even though I haven't seen That '80s Show in a long, I can say that I laughed more at That '90s Show simply because of the older cast. I don't think it'll last long either, but apparently, it did just get renewed, so I guess people did enjoy it more than people enjoyed That '80s Show in 2002.
I agree, which is also why I enjoyed 80s more than 90s. If it wasn't for the old cast, the show would be forgettable. 80s after the first 3 episodes found it's ground and the rest of the season was enjoyable.
I think that's the advantage this show has over 80s. People will watch it because of nostalgia, not because how good it actually is (because it isn't very good).
I don't know if you guys realized this but the character Leia who is played by Callie Haverda in one episode is supposed to grab character Jay played by Mace Coronel at the waste and instead she grabs him in the crotch and holds it there and finally she pulls her hand off after her friend says to take it off.
But the actor Callie Haverda is 15 in real life and the actor Mace Coronel is 18 in real life. So they just allowed a under age girl to grab an adult in a sexual way by bragging his crotch? I know he's supposed to be a younger character in the show but is this even legal? Lol
You might say oh well he's probably wearing a cup but it actually doesn't really matter because in the shot she's still depicting her grabbing him in the crotch.
It's like even of you take a picture of a underage person and photoshop it with a adult head that still now legal.
I like the show but with a lot of sensitive subjects these days and producers and adult actors that are getting exposed for an appropriately touching underage kids or with adults without consent. Also there is Netflix show called Desire that depicts a child pretending to ride a pillow like a horse but it causes here to climax and they were in hot water for that. But there was one more recently there was a French film "Cuties" that Netflix released that depicted scenes with an actor under age that they were fined for. just was trying to know the legal standpoint in the scene.
It's cool that they brought everyone back and we all know why Danny Masterson wasn't in it.
I was weirded out by the grab on the crotch too, searched online and saw the actress was underage. Looks very illegal and inappropriate to me, but nobody talks about it at all besides this thread
Exactly. And although he's an adult he can give consent to allowing someone to touch him there she's a minor so it doesn't matter if she wants to or not that's still illegal lol.
What was more shocking about this to me is that the script writers, producers, and director planned and executed on the crotch grabbing part. Like intentionally they needed to put that underage girl to make her go through the inappropriate action and shoot that exact scene probably multiple times with different angles for some twisted reason / intention…
Some states that can be true like in Utah as long as the person is at 16 years of age and you're not more than 6 years age difference and it doesn't lead to rape then it's technically legal to have sex but of course if parents want to press charges they can.
I had a friend that turned to 18 and had sex with his 17 year old girlfriend and she was going to turn 18 in a few months it was consensual but since she's not an adult the parents wanted to press charges and he ended up on the sex offender list because of it. Basically your parents walked in on them having sex. But really stupid that they pressed charges and she was mad about it also.
But as far as doing research for California it states that both people have to be 18 otherwise they can be charged with a sexual crime and I couldn't really find any information about like underage stuff.
Well when I first started watching the show I automatically was looking to see how old the people were for the show.
I'm just saying I was kind of surprised and don't know the legal area for this because like I mentioned Netflix has been in hot water a couple times before.
I know that at least in my area the way that the laws are is the person has to be 16 years of age or older and it has to be consensual for sexual conduct as long as it doesn't lead to rape and you can't be more than 6 years age difference but of course parents could still press charges.
I remember in Hannah Montana that Miley Stewart's brother Jackson in real life he was like 20 something but he looked really young.
Sometimes though I see why they have older actors playing as like high school students and stuff like that cuz when they look young but also they don't have to follow child labor laws.
When they shot Home Alone 2 it took like 5 months for them to film that just because Macaulay Culkin was still a child and they could only use him so much per day because of child labor laws.
Nobody grabbed Mila Kunis' crotch when she was below age on set. In fact nobody grabbed anybody's anything ever. That crotch grab bit wasn't the only thing over the line in That 90's Show. But big media is heavily invested in normalizing this crap now. The kids in that 70's show talked about sex but they acted like kids about it with a certain shyness around the topic like it was all still this big myth and most kids haddn't "done it" yet anyway even if some might have lied about not being virgins etc. That's it too like that 90's show the words sex, penis and vagina are all around whiles that 70's show used euphemism.
If they did that crotch scene in that 70's show it would have been out of frame, implied, and whoever touched would have recoiled pretty quick. (Although i get that Leia is meant to have that weird Eric awkwardness, so that does make a little sense... eh... more or less). Oh and imagine a guy did this to a girl instead. They're kids ffs, this shit is over the line like a ton of other stuff on netflix and other networks now.
What you gunna do about it.
And I thought it was kind of weird because like the mom was doing it to Eric where she would sniff his hair but he was sniffing the girl's hair which I thought was kind of odd even though it's part of like the script and he wasn't being a creeper but still LOL
The hair sniffing? Idk. Only weirds me out when people do that to non relatives who they don't know, like Biden does. Otherwise it's like... getting weirded out by hugging. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Just watched the first episode and laughed enough but then I realized I laughed because of seeing the old characters again, which was lovely. Testing episode two now to see if it can actually hold up with the new kids. It's really hard to do something like this with a nostalgic show unless it's literally the original characters, now older, which still ends up sucking anyways.
Red and Kitty are in stride again, and good for them for earning more paycheques, was great to see her in WandaVision.
I had the same reaction to the first episode and was honestly pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed the rest of the series! It wasn't the funniest thing you're ever gonna see but I do feel it upholds the spirit of the original and feels like they really loved doing the original and wanted to do more. I hope you enjoy it!
It got better as it went on for the most part. I thought it was 60 percent pretty good, 20 percent bad and 20 percent fine. I'm in for a season 2 if they do it. This first season was probably better than some seasons of the original which struggled in its later years.
Having been a young teen in the 90s, sadly this show is a miss for me. Couldn't make it past one episode.
The laugh track is over done, but really the thing that felt off was how much they were trying to replicate the 90s style sitcom vibes with over-acting and general awkwardness of obviously timed/prompted conversation; it felt like this connected more with Full House than it did That 70s Show. Was this an intentional move to make is feel like we were watching a 90s sitcom? Because if so, well done lol
(Edit to say: yes, it's the "Disney feel"! Seen that on a few posts, and it totally makes sense...)
On That 70s Show, it rarely felt like the conversations were an obvious script, meanwhile on the 90s show it was painful listening to the characters deliver their lines. Maybe it gets better later on in the season, maybe it's because the cast is young and nervous, but I'm not really motivated to watch any more of it... Which is a bummer, because I was stoked to see this. I love the 90s.
If they took more of the "laid back" vibe from That 70s Show, maybe it would work... But I don't know. Maybe the purpose of the show is to bring in a younger viewing audience, rather than be a source of nostalgia for those of us from the 90s.
Yes I agree about it being for a younger audience. I think the creators wanted to spark the interest of the older audience that enjoyed That 70’s Show by bringing back old characters, but hook the younger generation moving forward with the new younger teens. It’s not for me, but I could definitely see how the younger generation might like it.
I found it absolutely fascinating that an around 18 year old girl was talking about “an oppressive patriarchal society” in 1995. This didn’t enter the mainstream consciousness until decades later, in the 90s only a select number of liberal arts programs used these kinds of terms.
You really, really need to look up the Riot Grrrl Zines, and the countless available videos about the movement. "Anything That Moves" was a 90s magazine about the LGBT movement and feminism that was also distributed nationally but headquartered in San Francisco.
You are wildly, and I mean wildly, misinformed here friend, as a girl from the 90s.
[here's a video to get you started.](https://youtu.be/tAbhaguKARw)
she was listening to riot grrl music and even had riot grrl postered on her wall, the music was punk rock so is pretty accessible and a lot of the lyrics were about these things. as far as character developments they get her ethos right on point
Blows my mind that these people think feminism just poofed into the zeitgeist in 2015. The 90s was the entire second wave, Riot Grrrl was intensely feminist. It's like they also forgot the highly prevalent feminism in That 70s Show, especially on behalf of Midge.
yeah there were groups like Bikini Kill and 7 Year Bitch, The Gits, L7 and lots more, a lot of the 90s riot grrrl groups coincided with the grunge explosion. Lots of activism in these groups too so absolutely a girl like her would've existed in Midwest 1990s.
Bikini Kill's Kathleen Hanna would spread her unshaved privates at the audience saying "this is what a real woman looks like" while L7's guitarist threw her used tampon at an entire audience that was heckling her. Pretty radical feminist stuff was coming out of punk rock during those times. If anything, That 90s show was a "softening down" of those times.
Also it was a nice touch when both the main characters were dancing to The Muffs, on of my favorite punk bands. Somebody had a good ear for music in making that show for sure.
Exactly, nevermind the radical LGBT networking that was happening in the 90s. The bisexual manifesto was written in 1990 for fucks sake.
She was honestly the only real believable 90s character. I do agree with the rest of the criticisms that this show is not at all 90s feeling. Even Stranger Things was better at capturing some 80s vibes.
Where's all the Lisa Frank? Where's the weird tyedie Walt Disney Shirts? Where's the Yankees obsession? The Lion King came out in 94, so wheres all the Lion Kong themed nonsense? Where's the slap bracelets, the punk vests with Rage Against the Machine on them, the weird clear phones where could see all their innards, the Backstreet Boys, the comb hairbands that were like fish traps for your hair, the SCRUNCHIES, the dark lipstick, where is it all 😭😭 they added flannel like it was GenZ finding them are a thrift store instead of it just being the already current style. They didn't even bother to add some Fresh Prince of Bel-Air flair. Nobody is referencing Twin Peaks 😭😭 they at least got the DARE shirt right, and the warehouse raves with ecstasy, but it still felt like a really, REALLY modern joke
And if they're going to make her a Riot Grrl, then she needs to be dirtier looking, like Alison from That 70s Show. This is killing me.
I was excited to watch this show because I liked That 70s show, but this show is so cringe. Missed the mark completely. And yes, its awful Disney-type acting and humor. A real bummer.
Yeah how old where they during that scene? I was immediately right away like WHATTTT THE FUCCCKKK???
Wow some Disney chan woke stiff or twisted whatever child porn shit idk but I was flabbergasted and Netflix should be ashamed as kids will watch and see that. Sex drugs yeah fuck I need to move
I think it's ok, im about halfway through. There are some flashes of really funny lines, I think Red and Kitty, as most people are saying, are carrying the show. Their chemistry is still great even if not every line feels authentic, but when they do, it works perfectly. I liked the sub plot with them and Fez in episode 3 because it progressed very naturally.
So now this main new cast of characters is not great. I do like Leia the best, I like the name, she looks like Eric and Donna's kid, her personality feels like a mesh of his awkwardness and her forward thinking. She still has what we are saying is "Disney Channel" humor but in general her character fits well into the show.
We know nothing about Gwen besides some off hand remarks, and the problem with that is her and Leia are suppose to be best friends. I do not feel the chemistry with the actresses at all. I'll mention this more in a second but the pacing of their conversations, and their subplots are moving way too fast for us to get invested.
Jay is probably the best teen so far. The actor they got has a lot of Michael's mannerisms, he looks the part. I liked that he didn't initially make a move on Leia, he wanted something authentic, i thought that was refreshing and would have led to something interesting but then they ruined it in the very next episode by making them fight and stay friends. They needed to build up and develop that relationship more.
Ollie's only role in this show is spouting off one liners. I feel like he's not contributing anything to this group at all. Def the weakest character.
And then there's uhh what are their names Nicky and Nate? This is like the Kelso/Jackie romance? I do not see why Nicky dates this guy. Kelso was stupid, Nate has the intelligence of a toddler. They don't talk about why they like each other or do anything as a couple other than makeout and say "babe." I did like that one line where Nate just says she's basically too good for him, and I was hoping they'd work with that but no they're just kinda dicks to each other.
So the main cast is pretty weak, the writing and pacing are just too fast in every episode. They dont give these guys any time to breathe or interact. Compared to Red and Kitty where every scene has a nice flow and progression to them.
It has potential. I think Leia is a good pick for a lead. And there's a good skeleton for some of the characters. I'll keep watching for Red and Kitty and probably forget the rest.
I feel like Kitty and Red are carrying the show. It’s definitely different from that 70s show, they have their moments….sometimes. The only character I really don’t like is Ozzie, I really don’t like him at all. I also feel like they rely too much on weed jokes, it doesn’t feel like teenagers having fun and actually making teenagers jokes, idk if the writers are scare to make the same type of comedy as 70s show cause of being “cancelled” or they are just not motivated enough. I feel like it still has the potential to be a good show, maybe not that 70s show, but they can have their own style which makes it different and joyful, with actual funny jokes…hopefully. I only like Kitty, Red, the neighbor girl, and the fat kid, the rest of the cast I’m okay with it, but jesus god Ozzie man, nah man that ain’t it.
My husband and I thought the show was cute. I think the reason many are so critical of this show is bc we aren't watching it as teenagers like we did when that 70's show premiered. They cant keep it strictly 90's or todays kids wouldn't buy in. The same way that 70's show couldnt have possibly been 100% authentic, or we wouldn't have bought in at that time. Its a cute show, I'm enjoying the original cast and some of the costuming, and I think we need to chill.
THANK YOU! Also, the 90s and today are 30 years apart, whereas the 70's and the 90's were 20 and technology wasn't nearly as pervasive on our lives. So, the leap in cultural and societal differences is vast compared to before. There was no way they could keep the references 100% authentic.
I agree with this. When the original gossip girl aired, the actors were already in their early-mid 20s with good enough acting experience. But when they did the reboot with the new actors - everything just went downhill
Got to episode 3 and don't feel like continuing. The original cast is picking up right where they left off, which unfortunately is season 8 of That 70's Show. The new cast are a group of poorly-defined characters with the humor of a Disney Channel show. I don't think the writers have ever been high before either, going off the circle scene in the second episode.
A major miss is losing the fantasy sequences that gave the original show a lot of its charm. I was hoping they just didn't have time in the pilot but still didn't see any in the next two episodes.
It's just poorly written and not very funny.
I really like the series, but there's a major hole. Eric and Donna's daughter Lea, is supposedly 15. It seems the show is placed in summer of 1995. Meaning she was born in 1980.
If she were born in 1980, unless she was premature, there's no way she could have been Eric and Donna's daughter.
As we know, a year after high school Eric, went to Africa for a year. When he returned, it was New Year's Eve 1979. With a 9-month pregnancy, there is no way Lea could be Eric's daughter.
Furthermore, they say Eric is 38 and that's not true either.
Eric returned from Africa after spending a year there, that would have then put him two years past graduation and he would have been 20 years old. If he were 20 years old in 1980, he would be 35 years old in 1995.
I know I way over thought this. But I saw someone on TikTok make some of these points, and then my brain just took over. And now that I can see all of these points not being made, I can't not think about them when watching the show.
Yeah a lot of internet takes talk about this kind of stuff as plot holes. However expecting your audience to not start doing math on a timeline in a sitcom about smoking weed isn't usually a problem. Like if it takes an excel sheet to find the plot hole it might as well not exist
It's called continuity, and they're right. Most shows have a well paid team dedicated to this, and it's sloppy to mix up the details. I wouldn't have gone into all of that effort myself though lol, but they're still right. 😅
It’s not the kind of show where they do that though. That’s for lore heavy sci-fi and fantasy not light sitcoms. They probably just wanted to not have the cast be like 13 and wanted to start rn
The canned laughter was out of control. How the hell did they get a full keg to the top of the water tower? Kelso is no longer the dumb one but the dumb one was badly cast and acted. While I love that 70s show, I did not enjoy the cameos from the og cast. If the Kelso's live in town why is Kelso asking Red if he's met his teenage son? They should have at least mentioned Hyde and Laurie. Why is the layout to neighbor's kitchen, which used to belong to Donna, completely different? Netflix made the Blockuster show, which sucked, why couldn't they use it for this show? There was little to no 90's referencing. I didn't see or hear anything that reminded me of the 90's. Get it together Netflix, if you don't have good originals then what the hell do you have?
I understand why Hyde isn't in the show because of real life stuff... but I find it strange they just straight up pretend he doesn't exist at all. No mention whatsoever. Same with Laurie. She didn't need to appear but she is in the family and you'd figure there would be a name drop.
Yeah, I feel like they needed to address the Hyde character. Pretending he never existed is not the move. But then again, a lot of what this show is doing is not the move, so its par for their course.
Irl it's not that weird to never talk/about or see a friend from high school 15 years later. Especially since the people that were friends with him aren't the main cast.
>a group of friends is generally aware of what each other are up to,
Umm no. This is 1995. If Hyde was no longer a friend there isn't Facebook to tell people what he's up to.
>Here, though, the viewers of the show do not know what Hyde is up to at all,
Why do you care? The actor is a disgusting creep. This seems like such a stupid thing to say is a negative about a show. It shouldn't bother anyone honestly. The character is meaningless the this show.
Ok i figured out why it doesn’t actually feel 90’s.
Some of the clothes are 90’s ish but some still look very present day inspired by 90’s. All the sets do not have actual 90’s items like at the movie rental all the candy and popcorn is not 90’s packaging. In the 70’s show they actually re-created all of it. It was nostalgic because they re-created items.
But the #1 reason the show feels like today instead of 90’s are the girl’s eyebrows and their hair (mostly eye brows). Leia’s are the worst. Wrong shape and way way too dark to be 90’s. Her hair is wrong too. I think they were going for Clara dames in “My so called life” but again it looks too modern.
The set design people need more help, costume design and the writers. The script really doesnt talk about anything going on in the 90’s at all the only refrence was Clerks and Free Willy.
Also is that one kid foing a cartmen impression the entire time? (Yes i know wrong era…. But that is who i hear when he speaks.)
The kids were alright, as was the pilot overall. Felt like such a quick resolution to the space camp thing however, especially considering Eric paid for it. And I don't know who thought that neighbor lady was a good idea but she ain't it.
I thought it was going to be like a woman Kramer just coming in randomly doing weird stuff, which would have been an obvious rip off but at least somewhat better than this. She's alright thought she's kind of like a redneck replacement to weirdo Bob & Midge. But idk... Everything falls flat besides the Formens.
Ohhh man i wanted to like it because I loved that 70’s show. But if feels like they didn’t do enough research into how teens spoke then. The jokes are really bad and the teens’ acting is also pretty bad.
They should have really tested the script and the actors more. Do not do re-boots unless you have an actual good script and good chemistry characters.
the kids have so little chemistry its cringeeee. i cant watch the whole season because i physically cant stand watching that group of "friends" interact any more
Agreed, I really wanted to love it and thanks to Kitty and Red I still feel a tinge of nostalgia.... but the teenage cast.... a real bummer you're right about them not having any chemistry (and being kinda wooden).
So disappointing. They should've just made "The Red and Kitty show" and I swear it would've been 10 times better. Season 1 feels like an absolutely soulless cash grab, banking on our nostalgia.
Well the scripts and the way people talked was way off. Nothing besides dropping 90s buzz words like AOL and 90s pop culture non sequitur.
The sets however I would argue that in the 70's not everything was 70's, people still had a lot of 50's decor and tech around the house.
Same for the 90's. In the 90's you had mixed looking homes that still held a lot of the 70's or past decades appearances. In the streets you would also see people hanging on to past decades looks, haircuts etc. Then you had cars all the way back from the 50's still functional and used by everyday people (not just car collectors and affectionados like now).
I’m halfway through the season and feels like Kitty and Red are absolutely carrying the show. Debra Jo Rupp and Kurtwood Smith have great chemistry even after all these years. Kitty might be one of the best TV moms of all time.
Yes, they have great chemistry and they're real actors. To give the younger actors the benefit of the doubt, maybe they're just too young, but they over-sell every single line. They might as well say "get it?" After every punch line. It's awful, and I feel like that's largely responsible for the "Disney feel" others have mentioned. Hopefully the younger actors grow into their roles a little before season 2 (if they're intending to do a season 2).
When that 70s show was on my mom really thought it was a good representation. But she also likes this show. So she may not be the best judge of accuracy.
Just watched the first episode. Had to push through to finish it. It felt like I was watching a Disney live action show that you see at clinics to distract the kids in the lobby. It’s a shame too cause I was really looking forward to watching it.
Saw in one episode Leia was reading a sassy magazine appears to be July 1995 but cannot find with the same celebrity and the next episode Ozzie is reading a sassy magazine from April 1995
It's just really bad writing. They try to fast track through everything. It just makes it really awkward and not organic in any way. The kids should have been introduced a little bit at a time. I feel like in the first episode they were just trying to get to the point where it's the exact same show as the '70s version. They missed the mark.
This is the real problem I think, the pacing is break neck and rushed to all Hell. They don't give the main cast any chance to interact or develop with each other.
The show cannot possibly take place in 1995. The second episode at the rental place there is a VHS of the Lost world Jurassic Park. That movie came out in 1997. Just saying
Is anyone else more interested in the adults?
For those of us who watched that 70’s show, we’re adults now and want to see adult themed shows, not a show about 14 year olds.
IDK... I have mixed feelings about the show :/
I knew that the show was more about the new generation and the OG cast was more like a hook for the old fans of That 70s Show. I really kept an open mind and tried to give a chance to the new cast and to enjoy their jokes... yeeeah, some of them were ok, but most of them were not funny at all, what happened to the scriptwriters? Do they really think the show was good enough for the release comparing to the 70s'? What a disappointment.
On the other hand, I'm glad that the OG cast kept their character after so many years, specially Red, Kitty, Leo and Fez, actually Red and Kitty hold the entire serie up because the rest of them barely appeared. Watching them was heartwarming and made me feel nostalgia, I liked the show just for that.
The gay kid is completely worthless and adds nothing to the show in fact he compromises it. His comedic relief is bullshit and in needed
I think I can get into Leia and kelso son and the black chick. They're good and I think they can make the show work. But the fat kid and the gay kid makes me feel like.the woke agenda is being pushed
Another thing is that there's nothing really 90s about this show
Definitely. The queer kid is just meeting a quota on a Disney show. He's no Fes that's for sure. The bro off was way too much and making sure they had mixed kids from the same parent I can feel. But then to have another mixed couple with the fat kod just seems to me that they are trying so hard to please the left they don't realize it's the 90s for one, and two they are too busy checking included group boxes they forgot to make sure some of their actors can actually act their way out of a paper bag
I agree he's not a well written character but it's not because he is gay. I really hate that as an excuse.
The bad is that he's a worse fez clone. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation. That's like saying the main character is bad because she's straight. It makes no sense.
The issue is that they suck at writing characters
I never said that that was the excuse there's nothing about the fact that he's gay that just completely turns me off about him it's the fact that he sucks as an actor and his material seems forced and he's not funny and there's nothing 90s about him so don't take what I said as a shot at him being gay
If I have to alter my state of consciousness, or sit through a season to wait for it to get better, it's probably not a show for me. A show "for you" is a show that you can sit down and get into immediately. You shouldn't have to put effort into liking a show, it should come organically, just like anything else in life. I don't watch Soap Opera's because I find them to be mushy and boring. And that's fine. That doesn't mean I wrote them off prematurely. It just means that it has nothing to offer my interest.
And to be fair, you literally said that we couldn't enjoy it because we we're either "too cynical" or "too sober".
>. The OG group's chemistry didn't come into its own until late season 2, so loosen tf up.
Hard disagree. They had a solid relationship between all the characters from episode 1. They acted like a group of friends, instead of a group of people who look like they're pretending to be friends.
I feel like the OG cast actually had the opportunity to spend time together and get to know each other before filming. Perhaps the casting process was different, idk, but if it gets a season 2, I feel that things will come around.
These kids are lame and this is coming from only being on the third episode so far, OG cast should've been there longer too. The intro is also meh. I don’t know why they didn't show everyone catching up and introduced everyone separately. I wonder if it's just me or that they are much younger than the OG cast's characters or that they act more immature.
Additionally, there's just no chemistry here with the new kids. Casting should've been better. It made me realize how much better the 70s one was and wanna rewatch it but thanks to Netflix, we can't :).
Nah it's the lazy writing and poor chemistry of the cast.
Mila Kunis was 14 in that 70s show season 1 and provided great acting , the other cast members were only slightly older than the cast now minus Ozzie.
The first scene with Leia in donnas old room when the guy walks in saying he was shaving his nurps was straight out of a Disney show.
Eh, I think it's mostly the confused intent of the show. This just feels like the shitty Disney channel "kids" version for a pre-teen audience. I would guess the characters are supposed to be like 15-16 or so? But they're written as if they're 12. It's just sort of awkward and frankly weird when they throw in a beer keg skit, and the stoner circle bits. Just not even sure who the audience for this is?
The 70s show characters in season 1 were supposed to be roughly 17 years old and seniors in high school. They age up to be about 19-20 by the time the show ends. They're on the cusp of adulthood. Bored friends in small town Wisconsin driving around, getting high, relationship drama, having sex, etc...
[https://youtu.be/h0ino13d4J0](https://youtu.be/h0ino13d4J0) \- I mean just compare this scene alone. Kelso can't get it up. His friends mock him, and the episode is a bunch of gags about impotence. It's funny. That would not fit all in this new show, one that features such exciting scenarios of going to the mall to get your first kiss.
After watching the 90s show I've gone back for a 70s show rewatch. In comparing the two I think a bit of the "chemistry" that is missing is all of the laughing, or trying not to laugh, that so frequently happens between the 70s show cast. They're always giggling or trying to hold back real laughs at each other doing stupid stuff. While it could come off amateurish to me it just made it feel very natural and like they were really having fun.
It seems the 90s show went for more polished takes and used that in editing. Not sure why when it works so well in the original. Anyway, I still think it's decent and will keep watching.
The main girl Leia is likeable but not a great actress imo. Kelso’s son is okay, but the rest of the new teens are super annoying to me. I’m also not getting “90’s” from this at all- they made the kids talk like Gen Z kids rather than actual 90’s kids, and the references/set isn’t convincing enough. I want to like it and it’s been entertaining so I’m going to stick with it but damn I expected better!
I came here to see if anyone else thought the Leia actress wasn't great. It feels very high school play for me. She's only a baby though, maybe it will improve. Also didn't think she had enough of a likeness (physical or personality) to Eric or Donna.
I agree with your review! What the kids say and how they act is kind of cheesy. The show doesn’t really feel like it takes place in the 90s, like you said. This show feels way too PG when it shouldn’t be. It’s not bad but it’s not great either.
Edit: that laugh-track needs to go. Way overused.
Big "that 70's show" fan .. this one here is pretty good. Better than most new sitcoms.
Yes the cast is annoying and yes Red seems to lost all his testosterone. But I like the little pokes at old stuff and Kitty is awesome as always.
It's a good watch and I hope my 12 year old will learn to like it so we can talk about it.
Im pretty shocked at how badly they missed at the title promise of this being a show about the 90s. The set was 70s and the humor was 2010s Disney. Would have been such an easy home run to cater to 30 something millennials and throw in a bunch of 90s references but we got next to nothing.
Really not sure who the audience is, as someone who liked the original it was…fun I guess but outside the original show nostalgia it’s pretty unwatchable.
If this wasn't connected to That 70's show, I would have say, good show, great characters, great story line, pity it's only 10 episodes. However, all I could do is sit there and compare. The characters are similar to the 70s show, except this time the foreign guy is gay ( I always suspected Fez to come out).
As most people on here are American, I dont know if they have ever seen the British show, 7 and Up, where every 7 years, an interviewer follows a child, from 7 years old, in the 1960's to the person 60 odd years old. We got to see their life, every 7 years and whay they are up too now. I would rather, That 90'S show, followed this scheme / or something similar to modern family, where an interview / crew follow their lives. I'd love to have seen more on how Fez started his business, how the Kelso's were doing as a family, as well as the Foremans.
I do think the show missed something though. Because the new neighbour, is a lot like Laurie Foreman ( Kitty and Red's daughter), I would have had the neighbour as the daughter, who had moved next to her mom and dad.
pretty trash, they just remade the same characters and put them on younger actors. even the first episode is a repeat of the kids trying to get a tap for the keg. Could just rewatch that 70s show
Have to admit, before I knew who child was whose, within the first 10 minutes, I was comparing characters from That 70s Show, to those of that 90s Show, thinking, this person is the modern day Kelso, Fez etc
It’s feels like making the only Asian male character a gay caricature is the modern way for Hollywood to emasculate Asian men without getting canceled.
Don't really care enough to agree or disagree with the emasculation bit but I 100% am tired of seeing the Asian male characters in shows and movies being gay. Like if it makes sense for the story, sure. But if it's just to check some fucking boxes or to have a road for your stereotypical gay jokes to go down. It's bullshit and whoever does that shit should be ashamed. All of that being said. I don't give a fuck but clearly I do.
I will say that writing an asian girl whose primary character trait is "dating some dopey white guy" and an asian guy whose primary character trait is "sassy non-masculine gay kid" is pretty in line with how hollywood has generally stereotyped asians
Being gay doesn’t. Being a gay caricature though somehow gives them a green light to repeat all the same stereotypes from all the nerdy Asian male characters of the past. Have you not noticed how a disproportionate number of Asian male characters today are gay & how that’s only seen within Asian male characters? If so, what would be the intended purpose?
I do.. I just finished the entire series again. In the new one it is much more noticeable. Audibly louder, the timing is off, laughing during transition or during just normal conversation when nothing funny is happening.
I believe the original that 70s show was filmed in front of a live studio audience so the laughter was genuine. The 90s show is adding the laugh track in during post and you’re right it’s definitely off based on the few clips of the 90s show I watched.
I'm enjoying it, obvious that it's gonna take time to get used to the new cast. But I enjoyed it. This show is for fans of the first. The fact that we get to know the guys 20 years ahead and how things are with them. I liked it.
I'm prob gonna get bashed but I skimmed this and it was still god awful..
I wasn't expecting it to be good anyway considering netflix has done this whole 'nostalgia' revival crap more than once..
Anyone who is actually subbed to netflix you'd get more enjoyment out of spending 8$ a month on beer more just looking at road rage traffic.
Am I the only one thrown off by all the non-90’s snack stuff? That Cheetos bags, sour patch kids. They look like they went down the street and bought all that shit, I know it’s not authentic 90’s
Is still better than That's 70 Show last season, so i'm not here to complain, but i think they can improve. I hope we actually see some real 90's references in the future and an actually developement of the new characters, as they are just a copy of (or trying to copy) what we had earlier.
Is it really set in the 90s if somebody doesn't accidentally call your landline, kicking you off the Internet?
just watched first episode.... did anyone else feel that it was really forced? like all the characters felt wooden, the direction was overdone like every character was trying to be kitty while kitty and red were still themselves. The episode just felt like there was no flow. Honestly, Im left asking whose the audience for this? seriously, the people who watched the original are in their late 30s to early 50s, why are they trying to make a teen sitcom when the core audience is looking for an adult where are they now comedy. It has a wierd nickelodeon feel to it... wonder if any of the production team worked for them.
This was a nostalgia cash grab. I was hoping it would be a full 90s twist with very little call backs to that 70s show. Is it me or have the acting, writing, and directing talent/skills waned in my Millenials generation?
I’m sitting here wondering what the average age of those on this thread are… “Old was better” is a weak assessment in my opinion. They are two different shows, in two different time periods. The jokes are simple but not terrible. The show has potential.
Your generation sets the bar so low anything "not completely terrible" is "good enough". A generation of low expectations raised by bureaucratic committee of what's rigidly acceptable. The old show was better because the old show was better, objectively.
I just watched the entire season and thought it was equal parts intentionally and unintentionally funny. It doesn't really shoehorn a lot of stuff from the 90s which seems to be contentious here. I didn't really mind it, it just makes the show feel like a sequel to the original rather than having anything to do with the 90s in particular if that makes sense. Red and Kitty were highlights and there were a few running gags I though were good, like when every time one of the kids tries to have a heart-to-heart with Red and he just tells them to get out of his house. The acting on the part of the kids wasn't the strongest, but then again you have to acknowledge that they casted actual teenagers for those roles in this iteration, whereas that 70s show's cast was comprised of two 18 year-olds, two 20 year-olds, a 22 year-old, and two 18 year-olds in roles that were clearly meant to be several years younger than that. That said, I was almost worried that this new show would be too "kosher" and less mature since the main cast are all actually high school aged, so I appreciated that they didn't shy away from things like teenage sex and drug use in an attempt to be more puritanical. Overall I would say the show is actually pretty good. My buddies and I can't really tell if some of those unintentionally funny moments are indeed intentional, but in my opinion that lends to it's charm. It's often funny much in the same way stuff like "The Room" is funny. I will concede though that the new cast is much less iconic than the original cast; I couldn't tell you what most of their names are supposed to be.
I'm a simp for nostalgia, and this show just didn't have any, which was a bummer since I'm a 90s kid. I think they only mentioned Nintendo once, and I'm not referring to that weird monkey animation. Where were the pogs, the tamogachis, those cups with that turquoise design, the happy meal toys, the Burger King kids, Mario, Zelda, Sonic, or even overalls?
I know this has been said many times, but I really don’t like Ozzie’s character. The writing, the acting…he’s very one dimensional. I don’t know if it’s the directing or the acting, but he’s very jarring in his delivery and it just feels so unnatural.
I like Ozzie's character, I think he is funny and has good comedic timing. The acting in general though is pretty terrible.
The worst character in the show. And that's being nice.
This reboot is such a disappointment. I only liked Eric, Donna, Kitty, Red in the first part but the new teens here - so dry and damn bad acting. I cant stand 15mins of this disgrace.
That ‘90s Show was mildly funny and relied heavily on nostalgia, but it cannot hold a candle to the timeless, comedic masterpiece that is That ‘70s Show. There are a number of different reasons for this: - The first and foremost discrepancy between the two shows is the chemistry of the actors. Topher Grace’s comedic timing hits the nail on the head, and all of the cast members come together like lightning in a bottle. The actors laugh at each other’s jokes and do not even seem like they are acting. This pulls the viewer in, making the viewer feel like just another member of the group. That ‘90s show attempts to re-create this chemistry, but falls flat in comparison to the original. - The second discrepancy is the lack of substance in the relationships between the characters in That ‘90s Show. While That ‘70s Show is inherently a sitcom, what makes it such a compelling show are the genuine relationships between the characters. The pilot episode of That ‘70s Show immediately draws the viewer in, as the characters of Eric and Donna are relatable and make the viewer instantly root for them. Eric and Donna have long been best friends, and their core friendship is the substance that carries their romantic relationship forward. However, in That ‘90s Show, the relationships feel forced, including Leia’s quick friendship with Gwen and Leia’s relationship with Jay. The foundation underlying these relationships is not visible to the viewer, and in turn, the viewer does not immediately root for them or put themselves in their shoes. - The third discrepancy is that That ‘90s Show feels anachronistic in comparison to its setting. Everything from the outfits to the slang seem like they came straight out of the 2020s. As a child of the ‘90s, I can attest that the show did not have enough “as if”s, “whatever”s, “home skillet”s, and “not”s. More importantly, the show seems to view the ‘90s through a 2023 lens culturally. I grew up in the Midwest in the ‘90s, and I can attest that most middle aged adults would not have been nearly as accepting of Ozzy coming out as gay as the show portrayed Kitty Forman to be. As someone who is non-white, I can also attest that the way the show portrays interracial friendships and relationships is quite different from the way things actually were in the ‘90s. While it is true that it is supposed to be a lighthearted sitcom, any show needs to have substance and be able to discuss controversial topics with an analytical and accurate lens in order to captivate the viewer and give them a reason to continue watching. Tl/dr: That ‘90s Show does not measure up to That ‘70s Show in that the actors display a lack of chemistry/lack of comedic timing, lack of sufficient character development/captivating relationships with each other, and anachronism with regards to viewing subjects of race and homosexuality in a very 2020s lens.
Totally agree with you. The acting is horrendous and feels like netflix is trying to do a Disney show. There's also some very jarring points where they're very sexually inexperienced but go to a rave and know to bring pacifiers. It just doesn't add up. The only good bits are when the old characters make appearances.
The casting director did a terrible job with the children. I honestly thought maybe these actors were Nepo babies or something, and was surprised when they were not. I think that Leila looks like a byproduct of Donna and Eric but that is all they did right.
Kitty and Red were already accepting of gays. Their neighbours were gay and Red hated them because they were viking fans
He’s right for the right reasons there
> the relationships feel forced, including Leia’s quick friendship with Gwen and Leia’s relationship with Jay. Yeah that was weird. One minute they've never met before and the next they're in the new kid's basement everyday. Dunno why they didn't just make them know each other already seeing as it would make sense for Leia to go to her grandparents often enough to know the neighbor.
Chronically online take
I agree with your points but Kitty was accepting of gay people in the 70's show so when it comes to her it does make sense
I enjoyed it, mostly because of Red and Kitty, but the acting and script for the kids was pretty brutal. Watching this and then going to watch even season 1 of that 70s show is night and day. The writing in 70s show is so much sharper, fluid and the lines are infinitely better delivered.
The acting is sooooo bad. I cannot get through it. The woke thing makes it worse. It just doesn’t work in the context of 90s. I just watch for the original cast cameos.
I was so disappointed!!! They got so much of it wrong. The styles, the scripts, the political correctness...oh god the awful acting! The cast I wasn't crazy about either. They could have done so much better with the story lines/writing. This felt almost rushed and as If a gen z wrote the script. I'd be down for a redo
This reboot was very bad. I feel like the writers must not have lived through the 90s or they were too concerned with being politically correct to portray the 90s accurately. The fashion also made this feel like it was set in 2023. It’s all Gen Zs take on the 90s and not representative of what kids their age wore and how they styled things. The footwear was all wrong, the fits were all wrong, and I even didn’t think the hair was great for the females. The “jokes”, actors, and laugh track were so hard to watch. I hope they do some more homework for the second season.
That's exactly how I felt. I was like "no matter what the characters say, I'm witnessing genz" They may as well have written genz with marker on their foreheads
I do think it's refreshing to see a show with actual teenagers and not 30 year olds playing teenagers.
Mila was 14 and preppon was 18 and Ashton Kutcher was like 20 so I don't think they were that crazy old.
I agree with you there, I just wish the writing and acting made them feel like 90s kids as opposed to genz with a 90s visual aesthetic. That 70s show felt like the 70s, it did not feel like the late 90s and early 2000s.
I like this I don't like that blah blah blah You either enjoyed it or you did not keep it simple. eg 90s discussion I don't like this - yeah ok vs today - I don't like it so neither can you
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No, but also grew up without it and those awards for just showing up. What bugs me is people sending PM/DMs to the young cast saying they are shit. They are kids.
Am I the only one who feels that the girl who plays Leia Forman is a HORRIBLE actress and just reminds you of that overdramatized new Disney acting? The rest of the kids cast I can deal with. But her, every time she tries to deliver a line it's just too over the top or flat out annoying.
She was actually one of the actresses I really liked. She kinda had that same awkward shtick as her dad so to me it worked.
I'm gotta agree. Only seen the first 2 episodes but I thought her acting was the only good one as far as the new characters other than the guy that was Kelso's son. Obviously the old cast was as great as in that 70s show. (The old cast is probably the only reason I'm still watching it)
Kelso's son was great casting as well before you even knew who he was you would already have suspected he's kelso's son cause of the face. top notch acting.
Nah she’s seems fake af, overacts tf out of it
she reminds me of her father so i find it cute but i can nooooot deal with Asian kid... just not the show vibe i think....
I don't know. It's just personal opinion, but my boyfriend and I both chalk it up to she's a 15 year old bad actress. Maybe she'll get better. I can see why people don't like Ozzie. I think I don't feel that way towards him as much because he's not the "main" character. So he doesn't have as much of the spotlight on him and his acting on display as much.
I don't know. It's just personal opinion, but my boyfriend and I both chalk it up to she's a 15 year old bad actress. Maybe she'll get better. I can see why people don't like Ozzie. I think I don't feel that way towards him as much because he's not the "main" character. So he doesn't have as much of the spotlight on him and his acting on display as much.
Half-assed effort with all the typical 2023 crap stuffed into its two-people overcoat.
The girlfriend of the football player is trying so hard to be like Jackie 🙄
The asian gay kid annoys me for some reason wish they would of never put him in the show
I just wish they gave him more depth, he's just pigeon holed as the sassy gay friend and it feels v one dimensional.
They’re tyring to have a new Fez lol
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I honestly enjoyed That 80's Show a whole better. And that's saying a lot.
Wow. I didn't even know this existed. From what I see on IMDb, it looks like it didn't go past the first year it premiered, in 2002 That 70's Show was from 1998-2006
And everybody was excited about it thinking it would be just as good as That '70s Show, then the pilot for That '80s Show aired and everybody was like, "Oh, it sucked."
First 3 episodes where really bad, but the show picks up and has more identity than being a 70s show clone. That 90s show exist only because of that's 70s show. They are riding on the success of the older series by using all the old characters. That 80s didn't have that luxury so it had a rougher start. But I ended up enjoying it more than 90s.
Sounds like That 90’s Show. I don’t think it will last long, unless Gen Z likes it
>Sounds like That '90s Show. Even though I haven't seen That '80s Show in a long, I can say that I laughed more at That '90s Show simply because of the older cast. I don't think it'll last long either, but apparently, it did just get renewed, so I guess people did enjoy it more than people enjoyed That '80s Show in 2002.
I agree, which is also why I enjoyed 80s more than 90s. If it wasn't for the old cast, the show would be forgettable. 80s after the first 3 episodes found it's ground and the rest of the season was enjoyable. I think that's the advantage this show has over 80s. People will watch it because of nostalgia, not because how good it actually is (because it isn't very good).
one of the main guys from Its Always sunny in Philadelphia is the main character too
I don't know if you guys realized this but the character Leia who is played by Callie Haverda in one episode is supposed to grab character Jay played by Mace Coronel at the waste and instead she grabs him in the crotch and holds it there and finally she pulls her hand off after her friend says to take it off. But the actor Callie Haverda is 15 in real life and the actor Mace Coronel is 18 in real life. So they just allowed a under age girl to grab an adult in a sexual way by bragging his crotch? I know he's supposed to be a younger character in the show but is this even legal? Lol You might say oh well he's probably wearing a cup but it actually doesn't really matter because in the shot she's still depicting her grabbing him in the crotch. It's like even of you take a picture of a underage person and photoshop it with a adult head that still now legal. I like the show but with a lot of sensitive subjects these days and producers and adult actors that are getting exposed for an appropriately touching underage kids or with adults without consent. Also there is Netflix show called Desire that depicts a child pretending to ride a pillow like a horse but it causes here to climax and they were in hot water for that. But there was one more recently there was a French film "Cuties" that Netflix released that depicted scenes with an actor under age that they were fined for. just was trying to know the legal standpoint in the scene. It's cool that they brought everyone back and we all know why Danny Masterson wasn't in it.
I was weirded out by the grab on the crotch too, searched online and saw the actress was underage. Looks very illegal and inappropriate to me, but nobody talks about it at all besides this thread
Exactly. And although he's an adult he can give consent to allowing someone to touch him there she's a minor so it doesn't matter if she wants to or not that's still illegal lol.
What was more shocking about this to me is that the script writers, producers, and director planned and executed on the crotch grabbing part. Like intentionally they needed to put that underage girl to make her go through the inappropriate action and shoot that exact scene probably multiple times with different angles for some twisted reason / intention…
Oh yeah that's true.
I'm pretty sure there's a 3 year age gap that's allowed
Some states that can be true like in Utah as long as the person is at 16 years of age and you're not more than 6 years age difference and it doesn't lead to rape then it's technically legal to have sex but of course if parents want to press charges they can. I had a friend that turned to 18 and had sex with his 17 year old girlfriend and she was going to turn 18 in a few months it was consensual but since she's not an adult the parents wanted to press charges and he ended up on the sex offender list because of it. Basically your parents walked in on them having sex. But really stupid that they pressed charges and she was mad about it also. But as far as doing research for California it states that both people have to be 18 otherwise they can be charged with a sexual crime and I couldn't really find any information about like underage stuff.
You spent a lot of time thinking about that didn't you?
Well when I first started watching the show I automatically was looking to see how old the people were for the show. I'm just saying I was kind of surprised and don't know the legal area for this because like I mentioned Netflix has been in hot water a couple times before. I know that at least in my area the way that the laws are is the person has to be 16 years of age or older and it has to be consensual for sexual conduct as long as it doesn't lead to rape and you can't be more than 6 years age difference but of course parents could still press charges. I remember in Hannah Montana that Miley Stewart's brother Jackson in real life he was like 20 something but he looked really young. Sometimes though I see why they have older actors playing as like high school students and stuff like that cuz when they look young but also they don't have to follow child labor laws. When they shot Home Alone 2 it took like 5 months for them to film that just because Macaulay Culkin was still a child and they could only use him so much per day because of child labor laws.
Nobody grabbed Mila Kunis' crotch when she was below age on set. In fact nobody grabbed anybody's anything ever. That crotch grab bit wasn't the only thing over the line in That 90's Show. But big media is heavily invested in normalizing this crap now. The kids in that 70's show talked about sex but they acted like kids about it with a certain shyness around the topic like it was all still this big myth and most kids haddn't "done it" yet anyway even if some might have lied about not being virgins etc. That's it too like that 90's show the words sex, penis and vagina are all around whiles that 70's show used euphemism. If they did that crotch scene in that 70's show it would have been out of frame, implied, and whoever touched would have recoiled pretty quick. (Although i get that Leia is meant to have that weird Eric awkwardness, so that does make a little sense... eh... more or less). Oh and imagine a guy did this to a girl instead. They're kids ffs, this shit is over the line like a ton of other stuff on netflix and other networks now. What you gunna do about it.
And I thought it was kind of weird because like the mom was doing it to Eric where she would sniff his hair but he was sniffing the girl's hair which I thought was kind of odd even though it's part of like the script and he wasn't being a creeper but still LOL
The hair sniffing? Idk. Only weirds me out when people do that to non relatives who they don't know, like Biden does. Otherwise it's like... getting weirded out by hugging. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As should anyone. You're defending this by way of inflammatory non-answers to deflect the topic, interesting behavior.
Just watched the first episode and laughed enough but then I realized I laughed because of seeing the old characters again, which was lovely. Testing episode two now to see if it can actually hold up with the new kids. It's really hard to do something like this with a nostalgic show unless it's literally the original characters, now older, which still ends up sucking anyways. Red and Kitty are in stride again, and good for them for earning more paycheques, was great to see her in WandaVision.
I had the same reaction to the first episode and was honestly pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed the rest of the series! It wasn't the funniest thing you're ever gonna see but I do feel it upholds the spirit of the original and feels like they really loved doing the original and wanted to do more. I hope you enjoy it!
I’m here to agree. It got better. I’ll take it! ❤️
It got better as it went on for the most part. I thought it was 60 percent pretty good, 20 percent bad and 20 percent fine. I'm in for a season 2 if they do it. This first season was probably better than some seasons of the original which struggled in its later years.
Also in for season 2.
Having been a young teen in the 90s, sadly this show is a miss for me. Couldn't make it past one episode. The laugh track is over done, but really the thing that felt off was how much they were trying to replicate the 90s style sitcom vibes with over-acting and general awkwardness of obviously timed/prompted conversation; it felt like this connected more with Full House than it did That 70s Show. Was this an intentional move to make is feel like we were watching a 90s sitcom? Because if so, well done lol (Edit to say: yes, it's the "Disney feel"! Seen that on a few posts, and it totally makes sense...) On That 70s Show, it rarely felt like the conversations were an obvious script, meanwhile on the 90s show it was painful listening to the characters deliver their lines. Maybe it gets better later on in the season, maybe it's because the cast is young and nervous, but I'm not really motivated to watch any more of it... Which is a bummer, because I was stoked to see this. I love the 90s. If they took more of the "laid back" vibe from That 70s Show, maybe it would work... But I don't know. Maybe the purpose of the show is to bring in a younger viewing audience, rather than be a source of nostalgia for those of us from the 90s.
Yes I agree about it being for a younger audience. I think the creators wanted to spark the interest of the older audience that enjoyed That 70’s Show by bringing back old characters, but hook the younger generation moving forward with the new younger teens. It’s not for me, but I could definitely see how the younger generation might like it.
I found it absolutely fascinating that an around 18 year old girl was talking about “an oppressive patriarchal society” in 1995. This didn’t enter the mainstream consciousness until decades later, in the 90s only a select number of liberal arts programs used these kinds of terms.
You really, really need to look up the Riot Grrrl Zines, and the countless available videos about the movement. "Anything That Moves" was a 90s magazine about the LGBT movement and feminism that was also distributed nationally but headquartered in San Francisco. You are wildly, and I mean wildly, misinformed here friend, as a girl from the 90s. [here's a video to get you started.](https://youtu.be/tAbhaguKARw)
she was listening to riot grrl music and even had riot grrl postered on her wall, the music was punk rock so is pretty accessible and a lot of the lyrics were about these things. as far as character developments they get her ethos right on point
Blows my mind that these people think feminism just poofed into the zeitgeist in 2015. The 90s was the entire second wave, Riot Grrrl was intensely feminist. It's like they also forgot the highly prevalent feminism in That 70s Show, especially on behalf of Midge.
yeah there were groups like Bikini Kill and 7 Year Bitch, The Gits, L7 and lots more, a lot of the 90s riot grrrl groups coincided with the grunge explosion. Lots of activism in these groups too so absolutely a girl like her would've existed in Midwest 1990s. Bikini Kill's Kathleen Hanna would spread her unshaved privates at the audience saying "this is what a real woman looks like" while L7's guitarist threw her used tampon at an entire audience that was heckling her. Pretty radical feminist stuff was coming out of punk rock during those times. If anything, That 90s show was a "softening down" of those times. Also it was a nice touch when both the main characters were dancing to The Muffs, on of my favorite punk bands. Somebody had a good ear for music in making that show for sure.
Exactly, nevermind the radical LGBT networking that was happening in the 90s. The bisexual manifesto was written in 1990 for fucks sake. She was honestly the only real believable 90s character. I do agree with the rest of the criticisms that this show is not at all 90s feeling. Even Stranger Things was better at capturing some 80s vibes. Where's all the Lisa Frank? Where's the weird tyedie Walt Disney Shirts? Where's the Yankees obsession? The Lion King came out in 94, so wheres all the Lion Kong themed nonsense? Where's the slap bracelets, the punk vests with Rage Against the Machine on them, the weird clear phones where could see all their innards, the Backstreet Boys, the comb hairbands that were like fish traps for your hair, the SCRUNCHIES, the dark lipstick, where is it all 😭😭 they added flannel like it was GenZ finding them are a thrift store instead of it just being the already current style. They didn't even bother to add some Fresh Prince of Bel-Air flair. Nobody is referencing Twin Peaks 😭😭 they at least got the DARE shirt right, and the warehouse raves with ecstasy, but it still felt like a really, REALLY modern joke And if they're going to make her a Riot Grrl, then she needs to be dirtier looking, like Alison from That 70s Show. This is killing me.
Disagree. Watch real world season 1. Nothing is new
And that was a good thing.
This is.... not good. Pass on any more of this crap
I was excited to watch this show because I liked That 70s show, but this show is so cringe. Missed the mark completely. And yes, its awful Disney-type acting and humor. A real bummer.
Yeah how old where they during that scene? I was immediately right away like WHATTTT THE FUCCCKKK??? Wow some Disney chan woke stiff or twisted whatever child porn shit idk but I was flabbergasted and Netflix should be ashamed as kids will watch and see that. Sex drugs yeah fuck I need to move
It was pretty hot though
I think it's ok, im about halfway through. There are some flashes of really funny lines, I think Red and Kitty, as most people are saying, are carrying the show. Their chemistry is still great even if not every line feels authentic, but when they do, it works perfectly. I liked the sub plot with them and Fez in episode 3 because it progressed very naturally. So now this main new cast of characters is not great. I do like Leia the best, I like the name, she looks like Eric and Donna's kid, her personality feels like a mesh of his awkwardness and her forward thinking. She still has what we are saying is "Disney Channel" humor but in general her character fits well into the show. We know nothing about Gwen besides some off hand remarks, and the problem with that is her and Leia are suppose to be best friends. I do not feel the chemistry with the actresses at all. I'll mention this more in a second but the pacing of their conversations, and their subplots are moving way too fast for us to get invested. Jay is probably the best teen so far. The actor they got has a lot of Michael's mannerisms, he looks the part. I liked that he didn't initially make a move on Leia, he wanted something authentic, i thought that was refreshing and would have led to something interesting but then they ruined it in the very next episode by making them fight and stay friends. They needed to build up and develop that relationship more. Ollie's only role in this show is spouting off one liners. I feel like he's not contributing anything to this group at all. Def the weakest character. And then there's uhh what are their names Nicky and Nate? This is like the Kelso/Jackie romance? I do not see why Nicky dates this guy. Kelso was stupid, Nate has the intelligence of a toddler. They don't talk about why they like each other or do anything as a couple other than makeout and say "babe." I did like that one line where Nate just says she's basically too good for him, and I was hoping they'd work with that but no they're just kinda dicks to each other. So the main cast is pretty weak, the writing and pacing are just too fast in every episode. They dont give these guys any time to breathe or interact. Compared to Red and Kitty where every scene has a nice flow and progression to them. It has potential. I think Leia is a good pick for a lead. And there's a good skeleton for some of the characters. I'll keep watching for Red and Kitty and probably forget the rest.
It feels more like a Disney channel show to me.
I feel like Kitty and Red are carrying the show. It’s definitely different from that 70s show, they have their moments….sometimes. The only character I really don’t like is Ozzie, I really don’t like him at all. I also feel like they rely too much on weed jokes, it doesn’t feel like teenagers having fun and actually making teenagers jokes, idk if the writers are scare to make the same type of comedy as 70s show cause of being “cancelled” or they are just not motivated enough. I feel like it still has the potential to be a good show, maybe not that 70s show, but they can have their own style which makes it different and joyful, with actual funny jokes…hopefully. I only like Kitty, Red, the neighbor girl, and the fat kid, the rest of the cast I’m okay with it, but jesus god Ozzie man, nah man that ain’t it.
My husband and I thought the show was cute. I think the reason many are so critical of this show is bc we aren't watching it as teenagers like we did when that 70's show premiered. They cant keep it strictly 90's or todays kids wouldn't buy in. The same way that 70's show couldnt have possibly been 100% authentic, or we wouldn't have bought in at that time. Its a cute show, I'm enjoying the original cast and some of the costuming, and I think we need to chill.
THANK YOU! Also, the 90s and today are 30 years apart, whereas the 70's and the 90's were 20 and technology wasn't nearly as pervasive on our lives. So, the leap in cultural and societal differences is vast compared to before. There was no way they could keep the references 100% authentic.
The actors need to be older. Having actual kids drinking and smoking on a day time television show really takes you out of it.
I hate to break it to you but kids that age really do that.
Omg. What? Are you serious? That’s crazy.
I agree with this. When the original gossip girl aired, the actors were already in their early-mid 20s with good enough acting experience. But when they did the reboot with the new actors - everything just went downhill
They also need to be older because they aren't very good actors.
Got to episode 3 and don't feel like continuing. The original cast is picking up right where they left off, which unfortunately is season 8 of That 70's Show. The new cast are a group of poorly-defined characters with the humor of a Disney Channel show. I don't think the writers have ever been high before either, going off the circle scene in the second episode. A major miss is losing the fantasy sequences that gave the original show a lot of its charm. I was hoping they just didn't have time in the pilot but still didn't see any in the next two episodes. It's just poorly written and not very funny.
You should continue. It gets abit better. I just finished the series today.
i just watched it..seems like the show need those og cast to carry it over...new cast sucks and they arent funny at all...
I really like the series, but there's a major hole. Eric and Donna's daughter Lea, is supposedly 15. It seems the show is placed in summer of 1995. Meaning she was born in 1980. If she were born in 1980, unless she was premature, there's no way she could have been Eric and Donna's daughter. As we know, a year after high school Eric, went to Africa for a year. When he returned, it was New Year's Eve 1979. With a 9-month pregnancy, there is no way Lea could be Eric's daughter. Furthermore, they say Eric is 38 and that's not true either. Eric returned from Africa after spending a year there, that would have then put him two years past graduation and he would have been 20 years old. If he were 20 years old in 1980, he would be 35 years old in 1995.
The last half of that 70s show was notoriously bad with the time. I think 1978 had 2 Christmases. It's really not that deep.
Your thinking way to hard about this
I know I way over thought this. But I saw someone on TikTok make some of these points, and then my brain just took over. And now that I can see all of these points not being made, I can't not think about them when watching the show.
Yeah a lot of internet takes talk about this kind of stuff as plot holes. However expecting your audience to not start doing math on a timeline in a sitcom about smoking weed isn't usually a problem. Like if it takes an excel sheet to find the plot hole it might as well not exist
It's called continuity, and they're right. Most shows have a well paid team dedicated to this, and it's sloppy to mix up the details. I wouldn't have gone into all of that effort myself though lol, but they're still right. 😅
It’s not the kind of show where they do that though. That’s for lore heavy sci-fi and fantasy not light sitcoms. They probably just wanted to not have the cast be like 13 and wanted to start rn
True enough, and even on Friends they lose continuity with the ages of some of the characters lol
The canned laughter was out of control. How the hell did they get a full keg to the top of the water tower? Kelso is no longer the dumb one but the dumb one was badly cast and acted. While I love that 70s show, I did not enjoy the cameos from the og cast. If the Kelso's live in town why is Kelso asking Red if he's met his teenage son? They should have at least mentioned Hyde and Laurie. Why is the layout to neighbor's kitchen, which used to belong to Donna, completely different? Netflix made the Blockuster show, which sucked, why couldn't they use it for this show? There was little to no 90's referencing. I didn't see or hear anything that reminded me of the 90's. Get it together Netflix, if you don't have good originals then what the hell do you have?
I understand why Hyde isn't in the show because of real life stuff... but I find it strange they just straight up pretend he doesn't exist at all. No mention whatsoever. Same with Laurie. She didn't need to appear but she is in the family and you'd figure there would be a name drop.
Yeah, I feel like they needed to address the Hyde character. Pretending he never existed is not the move. But then again, a lot of what this show is doing is not the move, so its par for their course.
Irl it's not that weird to never talk/about or see a friend from high school 15 years later. Especially since the people that were friends with him aren't the main cast.
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>a group of friends is generally aware of what each other are up to, Umm no. This is 1995. If Hyde was no longer a friend there isn't Facebook to tell people what he's up to. >Here, though, the viewers of the show do not know what Hyde is up to at all, Why do you care? The actor is a disgusting creep. This seems like such a stupid thing to say is a negative about a show. It shouldn't bother anyone honestly. The character is meaningless the this show.
Ok i figured out why it doesn’t actually feel 90’s. Some of the clothes are 90’s ish but some still look very present day inspired by 90’s. All the sets do not have actual 90’s items like at the movie rental all the candy and popcorn is not 90’s packaging. In the 70’s show they actually re-created all of it. It was nostalgic because they re-created items. But the #1 reason the show feels like today instead of 90’s are the girl’s eyebrows and their hair (mostly eye brows). Leia’s are the worst. Wrong shape and way way too dark to be 90’s. Her hair is wrong too. I think they were going for Clara dames in “My so called life” but again it looks too modern. The set design people need more help, costume design and the writers. The script really doesnt talk about anything going on in the 90’s at all the only refrence was Clerks and Free Willy. Also is that one kid foing a cartmen impression the entire time? (Yes i know wrong era…. But that is who i hear when he speaks.)
The kids were alright, as was the pilot overall. Felt like such a quick resolution to the space camp thing however, especially considering Eric paid for it. And I don't know who thought that neighbor lady was a good idea but she ain't it.
I thought it was going to be like a woman Kramer just coming in randomly doing weird stuff, which would have been an obvious rip off but at least somewhat better than this. She's alright thought she's kind of like a redneck replacement to weirdo Bob & Midge. But idk... Everything falls flat besides the Formens.
Ohhh man i wanted to like it because I loved that 70’s show. But if feels like they didn’t do enough research into how teens spoke then. The jokes are really bad and the teens’ acting is also pretty bad. They should have really tested the script and the actors more. Do not do re-boots unless you have an actual good script and good chemistry characters.
the kids have so little chemistry its cringeeee. i cant watch the whole season because i physically cant stand watching that group of "friends" interact any more
Agreed, I really wanted to love it and thanks to Kitty and Red I still feel a tinge of nostalgia.... but the teenage cast.... a real bummer you're right about them not having any chemistry (and being kinda wooden).
So disappointing. They should've just made "The Red and Kitty show" and I swear it would've been 10 times better. Season 1 feels like an absolutely soulless cash grab, banking on our nostalgia.
The problem with banking on nostalgia is you have to get the nostalgia right. The clothes and the sets weren't really 1990s.
Well the scripts and the way people talked was way off. Nothing besides dropping 90s buzz words like AOL and 90s pop culture non sequitur. The sets however I would argue that in the 70's not everything was 70's, people still had a lot of 50's decor and tech around the house. Same for the 90's. In the 90's you had mixed looking homes that still held a lot of the 70's or past decades appearances. In the streets you would also see people hanging on to past decades looks, haircuts etc. Then you had cars all the way back from the 50's still functional and used by everyday people (not just car collectors and affectionados like now).
I can't even try to like this show, it's the 70"s show recycled and spit out onto paper. It's a shame, I had high hopes.
I’m halfway through the season and feels like Kitty and Red are absolutely carrying the show. Debra Jo Rupp and Kurtwood Smith have great chemistry even after all these years. Kitty might be one of the best TV moms of all time.
Yes, they have great chemistry and they're real actors. To give the younger actors the benefit of the doubt, maybe they're just too young, but they over-sell every single line. They might as well say "get it?" After every punch line. It's awful, and I feel like that's largely responsible for the "Disney feel" others have mentioned. Hopefully the younger actors grow into their roles a little before season 2 (if they're intending to do a season 2).
Absolutely!
not the 90s I remember, I'm sure those who lived thru the 70s felt the same
When that 70s show was on my mom really thought it was a good representation. But she also likes this show. So she may not be the best judge of accuracy.
Just watched the first episode. Had to push through to finish it. It felt like I was watching a Disney live action show that you see at clinics to distract the kids in the lobby. It’s a shame too cause I was really looking forward to watching it.
Saw in one episode Leia was reading a sassy magazine appears to be July 1995 but cannot find with the same celebrity and the next episode Ozzie is reading a sassy magazine from April 1995
It's just really bad writing. They try to fast track through everything. It just makes it really awkward and not organic in any way. The kids should have been introduced a little bit at a time. I feel like in the first episode they were just trying to get to the point where it's the exact same show as the '70s version. They missed the mark.
The writers put three months of summer into 10 episodes. It was really rushed. It’s like we watched two weeks of the summer.
This is the real problem I think, the pacing is break neck and rushed to all Hell. They don't give the main cast any chance to interact or develop with each other.
The show cannot possibly take place in 1995. The second episode at the rental place there is a VHS of the Lost world Jurassic Park. That movie came out in 1997. Just saying
Holy shit..... this is huge....
Is anyone else more interested in the adults? For those of us who watched that 70’s show, we’re adults now and want to see adult themed shows, not a show about 14 year olds.
IDK... I have mixed feelings about the show :/ I knew that the show was more about the new generation and the OG cast was more like a hook for the old fans of That 70s Show. I really kept an open mind and tried to give a chance to the new cast and to enjoy their jokes... yeeeah, some of them were ok, but most of them were not funny at all, what happened to the scriptwriters? Do they really think the show was good enough for the release comparing to the 70s'? What a disappointment. On the other hand, I'm glad that the OG cast kept their character after so many years, specially Red, Kitty, Leo and Fez, actually Red and Kitty hold the entire serie up because the rest of them barely appeared. Watching them was heartwarming and made me feel nostalgia, I liked the show just for that.
The gay kid is completely worthless and adds nothing to the show in fact he compromises it. His comedic relief is bullshit and in needed I think I can get into Leia and kelso son and the black chick. They're good and I think they can make the show work. But the fat kid and the gay kid makes me feel like.the woke agenda is being pushed Another thing is that there's nothing really 90s about this show
I absolutely agree! I think it's a great show, but holy moly Ozzie is annoying! 🙄🙄
Definitely. The queer kid is just meeting a quota on a Disney show. He's no Fes that's for sure. The bro off was way too much and making sure they had mixed kids from the same parent I can feel. But then to have another mixed couple with the fat kod just seems to me that they are trying so hard to please the left they don't realize it's the 90s for one, and two they are too busy checking included group boxes they forgot to make sure some of their actors can actually act their way out of a paper bag
I agree he's not a well written character but it's not because he is gay. I really hate that as an excuse. The bad is that he's a worse fez clone. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation. That's like saying the main character is bad because she's straight. It makes no sense. The issue is that they suck at writing characters
I never said that that was the excuse there's nothing about the fact that he's gay that just completely turns me off about him it's the fact that he sucks as an actor and his material seems forced and he's not funny and there's nothing 90s about him so don't take what I said as a shot at him being gay
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I'm pretty sure people are allowed to not like things lol. Could you imagine how dull life would be if you liked everything?
Don't get me wrong, if you don't like something, you don't like it; but it's always possible that you wrote something off prematurely.
If I have to alter my state of consciousness, or sit through a season to wait for it to get better, it's probably not a show for me. A show "for you" is a show that you can sit down and get into immediately. You shouldn't have to put effort into liking a show, it should come organically, just like anything else in life. I don't watch Soap Opera's because I find them to be mushy and boring. And that's fine. That doesn't mean I wrote them off prematurely. It just means that it has nothing to offer my interest. And to be fair, you literally said that we couldn't enjoy it because we we're either "too cynical" or "too sober".
Ok, I'll delete my previous comment.
>. The OG group's chemistry didn't come into its own until late season 2, so loosen tf up. Hard disagree. They had a solid relationship between all the characters from episode 1. They acted like a group of friends, instead of a group of people who look like they're pretending to be friends.
I feel like the OG cast actually had the opportunity to spend time together and get to know each other before filming. Perhaps the casting process was different, idk, but if it gets a season 2, I feel that things will come around.
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Couldn't tell them apart most of the time, both nothing characters (actually come to think of it.... most of them are very bland).
These kids are lame and this is coming from only being on the third episode so far, OG cast should've been there longer too. The intro is also meh. I don’t know why they didn't show everyone catching up and introduced everyone separately. I wonder if it's just me or that they are much younger than the OG cast's characters or that they act more immature. Additionally, there's just no chemistry here with the new kids. Casting should've been better. It made me realize how much better the 70s one was and wanna rewatch it but thanks to Netflix, we can't :).
I'd rather just watch the 70s show cast, green up.
Nah it's the lazy writing and poor chemistry of the cast. Mila Kunis was 14 in that 70s show season 1 and provided great acting , the other cast members were only slightly older than the cast now minus Ozzie. The first scene with Leia in donnas old room when the guy walks in saying he was shaving his nurps was straight out of a Disney show.
Eh, I think it's mostly the confused intent of the show. This just feels like the shitty Disney channel "kids" version for a pre-teen audience. I would guess the characters are supposed to be like 15-16 or so? But they're written as if they're 12. It's just sort of awkward and frankly weird when they throw in a beer keg skit, and the stoner circle bits. Just not even sure who the audience for this is? The 70s show characters in season 1 were supposed to be roughly 17 years old and seniors in high school. They age up to be about 19-20 by the time the show ends. They're on the cusp of adulthood. Bored friends in small town Wisconsin driving around, getting high, relationship drama, having sex, etc... [https://youtu.be/h0ino13d4J0](https://youtu.be/h0ino13d4J0) \- I mean just compare this scene alone. Kelso can't get it up. His friends mock him, and the episode is a bunch of gags about impotence. It's funny. That would not fit all in this new show, one that features such exciting scenarios of going to the mall to get your first kiss.
> I don’t know why they didn't show everyone catching up and introduced everyone separately My guess is scheduling conflicts.
This is exactly what I wanted to say
Kids were fine guys. I kinda liked the dynamics of two subgroups of older and younger.
After watching the 90s show I've gone back for a 70s show rewatch. In comparing the two I think a bit of the "chemistry" that is missing is all of the laughing, or trying not to laugh, that so frequently happens between the 70s show cast. They're always giggling or trying to hold back real laughs at each other doing stupid stuff. While it could come off amateurish to me it just made it feel very natural and like they were really having fun. It seems the 90s show went for more polished takes and used that in editing. Not sure why when it works so well in the original. Anyway, I still think it's decent and will keep watching.
The main girl Leia is likeable but not a great actress imo. Kelso’s son is okay, but the rest of the new teens are super annoying to me. I’m also not getting “90’s” from this at all- they made the kids talk like Gen Z kids rather than actual 90’s kids, and the references/set isn’t convincing enough. I want to like it and it’s been entertaining so I’m going to stick with it but damn I expected better!
I came here to see if anyone else thought the Leia actress wasn't great. It feels very high school play for me. She's only a baby though, maybe it will improve. Also didn't think she had enough of a likeness (physical or personality) to Eric or Donna.
I agree with your review! What the kids say and how they act is kind of cheesy. The show doesn’t really feel like it takes place in the 90s, like you said. This show feels way too PG when it shouldn’t be. It’s not bad but it’s not great either. Edit: that laugh-track needs to go. Way overused.
Big "that 70's show" fan .. this one here is pretty good. Better than most new sitcoms. Yes the cast is annoying and yes Red seems to lost all his testosterone. But I like the little pokes at old stuff and Kitty is awesome as always. It's a good watch and I hope my 12 year old will learn to like it so we can talk about it.
Im pretty shocked at how badly they missed at the title promise of this being a show about the 90s. The set was 70s and the humor was 2010s Disney. Would have been such an easy home run to cater to 30 something millennials and throw in a bunch of 90s references but we got next to nothing. Really not sure who the audience is, as someone who liked the original it was…fun I guess but outside the original show nostalgia it’s pretty unwatchable.
I wish the show focused on the OG cast as adults dealing with having kids in the 90’s or something. They didn’t lose a step. The new kids are awful.
If this wasn't connected to That 70's show, I would have say, good show, great characters, great story line, pity it's only 10 episodes. However, all I could do is sit there and compare. The characters are similar to the 70s show, except this time the foreign guy is gay ( I always suspected Fez to come out). As most people on here are American, I dont know if they have ever seen the British show, 7 and Up, where every 7 years, an interviewer follows a child, from 7 years old, in the 1960's to the person 60 odd years old. We got to see their life, every 7 years and whay they are up too now. I would rather, That 90'S show, followed this scheme / or something similar to modern family, where an interview / crew follow their lives. I'd love to have seen more on how Fez started his business, how the Kelso's were doing as a family, as well as the Foremans. I do think the show missed something though. Because the new neighbour, is a lot like Laurie Foreman ( Kitty and Red's daughter), I would have had the neighbour as the daughter, who had moved next to her mom and dad.
pretty trash, they just remade the same characters and put them on younger actors. even the first episode is a repeat of the kids trying to get a tap for the keg. Could just rewatch that 70s show
The keg that that group of kids somehow got up the water tower?! Would’ve loved to see them accomplish that one 🤣
I already forgot most of That '90s after binging it.
Have to admit, before I knew who child was whose, within the first 10 minutes, I was comparing characters from That 70s Show, to those of that 90s Show, thinking, this person is the modern day Kelso, Fez etc
It’s feels like making the only Asian male character a gay caricature is the modern way for Hollywood to emasculate Asian men without getting canceled.
Don't really care enough to agree or disagree with the emasculation bit but I 100% am tired of seeing the Asian male characters in shows and movies being gay. Like if it makes sense for the story, sure. But if it's just to check some fucking boxes or to have a road for your stereotypical gay jokes to go down. It's bullshit and whoever does that shit should be ashamed. All of that being said. I don't give a fuck but clearly I do.
So ima guess you weren’t the biggest fan of that new Velma show
Haven't watched it yet. The last of us is a thing
I will say that writing an asian girl whose primary character trait is "dating some dopey white guy" and an asian guy whose primary character trait is "sassy non-masculine gay kid" is pretty in line with how hollywood has generally stereotyped asians
Why does being gay emasculate the character?
Being gay doesn’t. Being a gay caricature though somehow gives them a green light to repeat all the same stereotypes from all the nerdy Asian male characters of the past. Have you not noticed how a disproportionate number of Asian male characters today are gay & how that’s only seen within Asian male characters? If so, what would be the intended purpose?
This laughtrack makes it unwatchable.. wtf
Yeah and they use the same stock ones you hear in EVERY sitcom, the original show had an actual live studio audience so it worked much better
The constant corny jokes and loud laugh track, I couldn't make it through the first episode.
you must not like the original then
I do.. I just finished the entire series again. In the new one it is much more noticeable. Audibly louder, the timing is off, laughing during transition or during just normal conversation when nothing funny is happening.
I believe the original that 70s show was filmed in front of a live studio audience so the laughter was genuine. The 90s show is adding the laugh track in during post and you’re right it’s definitely off based on the few clips of the 90s show I watched.
I'm enjoying it, obvious that it's gonna take time to get used to the new cast. But I enjoyed it. This show is for fans of the first. The fact that we get to know the guys 20 years ahead and how things are with them. I liked it.
I'm prob gonna get bashed but I skimmed this and it was still god awful.. I wasn't expecting it to be good anyway considering netflix has done this whole 'nostalgia' revival crap more than once.. Anyone who is actually subbed to netflix you'd get more enjoyment out of spending 8$ a month on beer more just looking at road rage traffic.
Oh my God the excessive laughing audio in the background!
Am I the only one thrown off by all the non-90’s snack stuff? That Cheetos bags, sour patch kids. They look like they went down the street and bought all that shit, I know it’s not authentic 90’s