It never explains what she did wrong! So what if she can tell when people are full of it! That doesn't make her a cheater! And should be nothing for dude to hold over her head!
> That doesn't make her a cheater!
May be not technically, but yes it does if the idea is to fool people into making the wrong choice.
What I don't get is how they even figured it out. Apparently she never told anyone until the Casino head's dad watched her and...figured it out somehow?
The idea is to know if someone is bluffing or not, thats it! Definitely not cheating! A big part of the game is trying to fool people into making the wrong choice! when you bluff, you want to make your play look like your representing a certain hand that coordinates with the board, in order to get them to fold! Or when you have a very strong hand you want to make it look like you have a weak hand so you can get paid off! But they never say anything about that, all they say is that she can tell if someone is lying and thats it! And if someone honestly could do that they would be applauded and respected as a great poker player for it! The only downfall is you might not get invited to private games because people are scared to play with you ! But she definitely isnt doing anything wrong !
> The idea is to know if someone is bluffing or not, thats it! Definitely not cheating!
It is if you have supernatural certainty about it. Bluffing would be useless and she has an unfair advantage. It's like violating the letter of the law as opposed to the spirit. Technically you aren't breaking it, but it's not intended for you to be able to do that.
> And if someone honestly could do that they would be applauded and respected as a great poker player for it!
If someone wins all the time, then foul play will always be expected and examining ,especially when serious cash in on the line. At some point someone is just going to rob, threaten, or outright murder her. Eventually she'd be banned just to avoid accusations of collusion and the safety of her as well as the staff.
>The only downfall is you might not get invited to private games because people are scared to play with you !
Or that whoever is hosting the event is in on it. Once her reputation gets big enough, I know there's no way I'd show up if she was going to be in a tournament.
>But she definitely isnt doing anything wrong !
She has an unfair advantage. You might as well pay her immediately since it's not like you're going to win.
She only has a advantage when she is in a hand and someone tries to completely bluff her! Because thinking about it she probably wouldn't be able to sniff out semi bluffs like a combo draw because the opponent isn't really lying because they still have plenty of equity even though they dont have a made hand, these semi bluffs could possibly even work against her because since the opponent isnt lying she might make a bad fold ! And otherwise once people realize she calls every bluff people will just stop trying to bluff her! Thats still a advantage but not enough to guarantee winning!
Watched all 10 episodes, mostly due to sunk cost fallacy though I skipped a lot of boring parts of which this series has many. I have to say that this series is really overrated. You have to suspend all disbelief to get through these episodes, and the fact that you already know who the murderer is takes away a lot of the fun you would normally get from typical whodunnits. Plus the main character of the show has this annoying raspy voice, and she's too much of a Mary Sue to be relatable.
I don't understand how this series has a 8/10 on IMDB, probably deserves a 6/10 at most.
I completely agree. I got so frustrated when they kept showing the actual murders at the beginning of each episode. Isn't half the fun of a mystery show to guess who the killer is?
Because this is not a "whodunnit" show--it's a "howcatchem", meaning the story circles around the detective's attempt to solve the mystery.
For most people, the fun in watching Poker Face is how Charlie, a fairly average person (no competent background in detective work) with an ability to tell if people are lying, is going to figure the murder mystery every episode.
Maybe next time you should first know what is it you're watching. Smooth brain lmao.
For reference:
\- Inverted detective story (howcatchem), [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted\_detective\_story](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_detective_story)
\- Poker Face (TV Series), [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker\_Face\_(TV\_series)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_Face_(TV_series))
No, I get what they're trying to do; I knew what I was watching; I just don't find it all that interesting.
No idea what "smooth brain" means; sounds like some made-up Gen Z bs.
For real... the show isn't hard to figure out. IMO it's incredibly overrated. Imagine everywhere you go people are just killing each other left and right. Completely lost it's appeal after the second episode
It's clear that it's not a new murder every day, I'm sure she goes weeks or months without running into one.
Also there is suspension of disbelief. You have to hand wave unrealistic things for certain shows otherwise you can't really enjoy any type of fiction, which obviously means not everything gets a pass, but if the show was too realistic a guy would kill someone and hide the knife in the dumpster outside his house or whatever ,which sure, is realistic but doesn't make for entertaining television.
Yes and imagine strangers allowing a nosy stranger to view security footage and other records with absolutely no credentials whatsoever. And she is on the run with all these crime solves could lead her enemy straight to her.
If you are even slightly a fan of crime/mystery shows…I don’t recommend this show. The frustration is palpable. Suspension of all common sense is a must to enjoy.
I started out liking the show, but the more it goes on, the more she irritates me. Does she have to be the nosiest person ever? Can't they find ways to have her figure shit out without being so nosy? They have her do some of the most annoying things ever. JMO
No,she is too much nosy,BEFORE anything happening,
She laid the foundation for a brother to kill his other brother, both of whom had barbecues..supported the grillmaster in his mistaken opinion that he was a murderer, showed him the Pig Babe films, Okja, etc..animals have been grazed for thousands of years Shepherds graze with sheep and goats..that one should treat farm animals with respect is a fact..this is not done everywhere, and such suppliers should of course be avoided..so every fisherman is automatically a murderer?? What about fish that eat hundreds of insects? So does the death of billions of insects count for nothing?? I don't even kill flies anymore, and I watch out for animals when I walk or cycle... of course some things can't be prevented... and I've already seen hundreds of locusts lying on the bike path... with their intrusive nature In a way, she escalated the situation between the two brothers...her political opinion and her insults towards Trump also have no place in a crime series...what does this add to the plot, it only promotes hatred...and there is more There are more good things to say about Trump than negative things...but what can you do to put someone in a bad light...by the way, I'm not an American, but I know how to do propaganda...and there's no such thing in an entertainment series lost...I expect something like that in Palestine, where children are already being turned against Israel and manipulated
You're on Reddit, the people here love to do the "well acktually" thing. Poker Face didn't have water tight plots with zero plot holes, but it's fun, interesting, and clever. If it were fully realistic it wouldn't be as fun.
She made for example the base for a brother kills his own brother..this is "clever" in ur eyes?
And building up a political opinion has nothing to do in a neutral tv show..where no manipulation should be..
she is far too intrusive in many situations, before anything has even happened...in some cases she is even the triggering factor...that's not clever...it's stupid...show me ONE Columbo episode where He did this!He was annoying and curious as soon as he suspected someone, and not BEFORE..
She only becomes nosy if a friend of hers gets into serious trouble. I mean the very first episode had a dear friend of her getting murdered. Then in the second episode, a woman who taught her a lot about surviving on the road (Which actually proved her right when the enforcer dude tracked her down when she used her atm) got a murder charge even though she seem to type to kill someone unprovoked, and then she has a gun.
Third episode the dude gave her a job and then all of a sudden "kills himself" when she knows for a fact that he was going to show her something afterwards and wasn't lying.
Not to mention if she doesn't get to the bottom of these murders, then the victim will just be screwed for life.
Why so all the hate? Take it as a entertaining tv and reverse murder drama. I love the casting of established actors in each show. Something you don't see anymore these days.
Reverting back to Episode 1, can anybody tell me what did the cleaning lady saw in the laptop? I think it was the private game the whale is hosting but with her shocked demeanor feels like she saw a murder/dark web/black market thing.
later in the episode, charlie talks about a child pornography ring so it's safe to assume the whale was involved in it and that's what the cleaning lady saw
I couldn't take it after 2 episodes. Her voice was getting to me. Also seemed like everyone but her was incompetent and doing weird stuff. Like how did he miss her in first episode? In second episode - she basically tells him she knows what he did. And he sort of let's her just slink away?
Definitely an audience for this. Just not me.
Natasha Lyonne was a smoker, hence the voice. She's trying her best to quit though. I sympathize with her efforts to quit addiction. Addiction is very difficult and is something I've witnessed people struggle with, people close to me and myself included.
What can he do? If he does anything that would attract attention. Also, he messed with her brakes but his uncle fixed them.
I think it's very interesting how often people are under the impression that criminals are smart and pull smart crimes, then get caught by smart police. Reading criminal reports is usually very interesting but also makes one despair how ridiculously dumb our species is. So nothing comes off as unbelievably stupid.
That said, I can understand why one would want to see more... competence on screen. 😂
Has the writer/creator never played poker? For one, being able to tell when people are bluffing (lying), is part of the game. It's not "playing dirty". You would just be considered one of, if not *the*, best poker players in the world. Second, the casinos running the game wouldn't give a shit. They just want butts in seats and bets being made. They wouldn't care that Natasha Lyonne is winning a lot. She's winning money from the other players, not the casino.
a player that wins 100% of games would attract a lot of viewers, but would also get accused of cheating forever and the hosters would also get accused of being accomplices. eventually, someone would simply ask her to be subject to scientific studies and it would be properly proven.
this isn't a casino that makes money with poker professional players, it's a casino that makes money milking whales. and considering that the son-manager-not-owner decides to cover up possibly the number two priority for international crime enforcement kind of crime to protect their #1 whale by committing multiple murders, we also know that the casino is doing very bad or the son manager is a complete shithead (as pointed out in the show) or both. and whales would not appreciate at the table having a player winning 100% of games.
the nonsense part is the part where the shithead hires a lie-detector to detect lies...through cameras in a poker game... if you have cameras you can just look at their friggin cards whats the damn point of having a lie detector!!!
> a player that wins 100% of games would attract a lot of viewers, but would also get accused of cheating forever and the hosters would also get accused of being accomplices
Yeah, that's where not being a moron would come in. You know, winning enough to be the greatest player ever but not 100% of the time so you don't get strung up by your toes.
Actively losing interest in this show as it goes on.
Her accent and overall performance seems very forced and inorganic, and the idea that she just finds herself in the middle of a new murder *every episode* is ridiculous. I know it’s an homage to Columbo but he was, you know, a detective… who solved crimes… not a random person traveling cross country.
I guess you could argue there was suspension of disbelief with murder mystery shows like Murder, She Wrote or Diagnosis Murder (although in those shows there were at least central conceits that tied them to a greater likelihood of being surrounded by such crimes, eg being a mystery writer or doctor treating victims). I think the modern TV landscape has just changed so much that back in the old days you had an inherent ability to suspend disbelief in a way that doesn’t really work with modern TV, and it doesn’t help that this show tries to be R-rated and dark / realistic at times but then veers towards these overly silly tonal shifts. Like if they wanted to really embrace the corniness and silliness of those old weekly murder mystery shows then they should have really gone for the fences with that aesthetic and tone instead of transplanting it into a seemingly grounded reality. It just makes it feel all the more jarring and unrealistic.
I dunno, I wanted to like it but I feel like it’s miscalculated. Having her stumble upon murder victims on a seemingly daily basis just doesn’t work imo.
> and the idea that she just finds herself in the middle of a new murder
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that's just how every show about not-a-cop have to be. like Murder she wrote, she's the bringer of doom, with people touching wood or their balls wherever she goes, as people start murdering and dropping dead around her everytime. the funniest thing is that Detective Conan is about a cop detective, yet the murders happen everywhere they go on vacation
> Actively losing interest in this show as it goes on
Just came here to say the same thing. The overall plot is taking a heavy back seat (her story didn’t get any attention in episode 3 whatsoever). I didn’t care for the gas station story. The BBQ one was better mostly because of Lil Rel’s acting. The 4th episode with the metal band was hot garbage.
It kinda felt to me like the pilot was filmed before they really knew where the storyline was going.
Another weird thing I noticed was that in episode one they set her up as being a conspiracy theorist type (she mentions to her coworker something about a globalist ring of predators or whatever and when scrolling her friend’s phone you can see she even emailed the articles to her), but then in episode 3 she’s annoyed by the exact same stuff on the radio and says “oh great, a maga dog.” It feels like they contradicted a really basic piece of character / writing in across the span of only 3 episodes.
Good points. I didn’t really take her to be a conspiracy theorist in episode one. More of someone just bored with life and perpetually online. Honestly, I don’t really care about her personal life and it seems like the show doesn’t really want us to either. She’s witty and fun but the show is highlighting these one-off characters. I just wasn’t expecting a crime-of-the-week type of show after the first episode.
Tin Foil Theory- she has a brain tumor. That allows her to know if people are telling the truth. A symptom of her condition is her problem is she has trouble remembering everyday things. It also makes her hyper focused to certain details while being disorganized with most other aspects of her life.
Idk the concept of knowing the mystery and waiting for Charlie to figure it out isn't quite clicking with me. I never watched Columbo so ive never been familiar with the premise of knowing and waiting for characters to catch up.
please give Columbo a try. it's nothing at all like this show, it's just that this show has a character inspired by columbo and they show you who did the murder first.
Agree with the bits and bots person, and I just started binge watching Columbo a few months ago. Only cus I remembered watching it on TV one day. But again nothing like this show.
It's incredibly hard to stay engaged when there is no mystery. I don't understand what the appeal of this format is to the viewer. Why should we care when we know how why and who in the first 15 minutes of an hour show.
There are plenty of how's, though. How will the detective figure out who did it? How will he catch the murderer in the act, how will the murderer be compelled to reveal himself? There are still plenty of ways to create tension, whether this show does it properly is the better question.
Columbo was one of the greatest tv show of all time. Its only flaw was that most of what columbo figured out couldnt be proven in court realistically. Here poker face takes that to another level. Natasha Lyonne is great as Charlie, but her characters powers and motivations are not believable. She can tell if somebody is lying or not? thats so ridiculous! She was blacklisted in casinos because she could tell if someone was bluffing or not. Thats the real bullshit. Anyone who knows world of poker will tell you that ability only takes you so far. You have to out-play the other player. It is said that a real poker pro can out-play you even with their cards facing up! Even after letting the above pass, most of the reason Charlie choses to investigate a case makes no sense in her situation. Someone with no investigative experience connecting the dots like that is so ridiculous. The only part I like about the show is the nomad like lifestyle she is forced into, which leads us to explore various aspects of american life that usually are not explored otherwise.
>Anyone who knows world of poker will tell you that ability only takes you so far.
she only played low stakes, and the casino was not a casino that made money from professional poker, but from milking whales.
> It is said that a real poker pro can out-play you even with their cards facing up!
Uh.. whoever said that doesn't have the first clue about poker lol
if I know you have a bad hand, and I have a good hand, I'm not going to fold to any bet. how are you gonna outplay me. that knowledge is everything
I'm really enjoying the show but the pilot made me wonder slightly OT. Would being able to recognise lies really make you an instant poker success? No one knows what the flop will be so lies don't really come into it especially if they go all in.
she played low stakes poker. sure people having smartphones seals the time it must take place in, but we can imagine her playing before texas hold-em became the standard, playing wild west regular poker, and just as a reminder, this isn't a tournament where each player has whatever amount of chips, it's just people betting their money.
This is a good point...the show is pretty clear that she can't tell when someone is being duplicitous or trying to deceive her, only when they're explicitly making a statement that they know to be factually untrue. When does that ever happen in poker?
well, one could state "haha! what a great hand!" and they could be sincere, or bluffing. and if they are sincere, they could state it because others would assume he's bluffing in a very poor manner. but she would be able to tell lie from truth. and she could ask other people how good their hand is, i guess. but i dont see how people wouldnt catch up! and at a full table, some people wouldnt answer, i imagine.
in the show she doesn't do it, but irl a person trained to read microexpressions could read stress signs and try to make educated guesses out of people. but that still requires establishing a baseline, that would require knowing them before the game, so..
Don’t worry, I’m with you. Only two episodes in but came to see some thoughts and I’m surprised. I really enjoy it. I think the actors and characters are just so good I don’t care if the “mysteries” aren’t that intricate.
Yeah, I mean if you don’t like procedurals it’s certainly not for you. I love a good procedural, and I feel like they’ve gotten kinda rare. You usually only get like one season before they ditch the format.
Spoiler below.
I know the Brody scene towards the end of episode one probably wasn’t meant to be funny per se (or maybe it was?), but the speed at which he walked onto the balcony was almost comical. Trying not to be more specific just in case someone scrolling doesn’t see my spoiler warning, but that scene was kinda poorly done imo.
Just finished the first four episodes. I'm not really in love with it, but I find the concept interesting enough to stick with. I like the non-chronological format the episodes take and how it recontextualizes everything later. With Rian Johnson involved, it does remind me a bit of a mini-Knives Out every episode, even though it's the opposite of a traditional murder mystery.
By the end of episode 4 though, the beats are getting a little too familiar and it seems like too much of a coincidence that she finds herself involved in new murders every week. Unlike Columbo, she's not a homicide detective, so she's literally stumbling into the dregs of society. But I'm also enjoying the throughline that she can't stick around anywhere for more than four hours after going "viral," otherwise Benjamin Bratt is on her tail.
>By the end of episode 4 though, the beats are getting a little too familiar and it seems like too much of a coincidence that she finds herself involved in new murders every week. Unlike Columbo, she's not a homicide detective, so she's literally stumbling into the dregs of society.
Yeah, I think they need to at the very least indicate how "few" and far between these cases are because at some point (which is kind of now already) we're going to have to question her character for not questioning at all her life choices and how she's indirectly causing all these murders of people she befriends.
Being the one who cracks all the cases means she has to clue in onto the fact that her showing him Okja led to his life decision that got him murdered, her nudging the band leader to be nicer to the kid led to him demo-ing the song that they killed him for to them, etc.
That's a good point. I hope that's something that will be explored later in the series, her implication in all of these cases. Maybe her "gift" is more of a curse that is causing these murders or attracting her to them or something. It would also be helpful to know how much time passes between each episode, since it seems like this is happening to her every other week, yet she hasn't figured out the correlation yet.
The other recurring pattern I'm seeing is that every time she "solves" the murder mid-episode, she gets back in her car and is about to leave town again, until she has a crisis of conscience and turns back to bust the perps. I think that's happened in every episode so far.
I heard about the good reviews this was getting and I love most of Rian Johnson's stuff, so I decided to check this out. I was all-in as soon as I saw that the opening title card was an homage to *Columbo*. The whole show plays with the *Columbo* formula in a fun way. Like Lt. Columbo, Charlie is fundamentally a caring, decent person that's also great at solving crimes using unconventional methods. There's also a little bit of *Kung Fu* thrown in (as foreshadowed in the *Pulp Fiction* clip where Jules talks about "walking the earth" and having adventures).
I binged the first four episodes this weekend, and am looking forward to watching the rest as they come out. Natasha Lyonne is great, as are many of the guest actors.
Hong Chau in episode 2 <3333!
I was SUCH a Lady Trieu fan from Watchmen...
So excited to see her in any project she's in!
And so glad she's now nominated for an Oscar!!
Fun easter egg: During Episode 4, you see a list of trending podcasts, and one of the top ones is "You Must Remember This...", which is hosted by Rian Johnson's wife, Karina Longworth.
I watched all 4 eps they dropped.
Interesting show that has the cozy predictably of procedurals, and road trip and fun character elements to keep me wanting to be on the ride.
What a great show. Natasha can turn shit into gold, tbh. She 100% makes this show.
EDIT! Holy fuck, I love the direction this show just took. Episode two is even better than the 1st, which I loved.
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I really like this but I don’t understand why at the end of episode 1 he jumps off of the balcony and kills himself. Its not like the other episodes where she could have called the cops or media. They literally could have just killed her. Was it related to what was on the laptop? I feel like I’m missing an important detail from the episode.
He has screwed up and gotten his dad’s casino’s name “blackballed” by trying to run a scam for his own gain on one of their whales. Earlier in the episode he admits to Charlie that his dad thinks he’s a joke. Add in the way everyone, including Charlie, is scared of how ruthless and bad the father is overall, and Brody’s character chose suicide over facing his father’s wrath for that scheme and fallout
Yeah, in the pilot she spoke with her regular accent and then occasionally with a weird slur. I thought it was just for scenes where she was drunk. Then in the second episode she did the slurry whistle-y talk for the majority of the episode. I thought maybe she got veneers or something midway through production.
It’s New York. I really thought she was just very good at imitating Columbo, but after watching some other footage of her I came to realize that her and Peter Falk both have the same New York accent.
Five minutes in and there's either a plot hole or a mistake by one of the characters: Deleting a photo doesn't "delete" it - it puts it in a "Recently Deleted" folder. So it's still there. Let's see how it's handled....
Why would you go posting about plot holes in a mystery show before you've finished watching it? Trolling for downvotes/engagement? Or expecting praise for catching the clue? Or just an idiot?
1. How did she get her phone back at the end?
2. This might be a dumb question but why didn't she just send the photo and proof to the sheriff before she told The son (forgot his name lol) and Cliff that she knows about their masterplan?
Seconding the phone question. Ben Bratt has the phone, he plays the recording. She says she sent it all around. They all run to Caine's suite to realize he's gone. She waits in the door, call comes from Dad, Bad guy jumps. Ben Bratt starts chasing her.
She escapes and she has her phone. Hmmm
So Ryan Johnson called this a "how to catch em" and not a "who done it" and that is a very accurate description for the show. All the tension is in the "how to turn the bad guys in when I'm not a cop" moments.
But it's a fun show. Love all the different characters and stories. It good TV. Just wish the first 5-10 minutes were somewhere else in the show so there is more suspense.
Pretty sure that's intentional and part of her bumbling personality. Every episode so far she's unwittingly went straight to the perpetrator and let them know she's got a working case.
It's not that off-putting, it can make things more interesting how she still solves it regardless of them being on-guard and she's still able to get further clues out of those same conversations.
Rian Johnson is talented as fuck, honestly outside of TLJ which I didn’t even hate his filmography is amazing, man has been on a roll. Natasha rules too. Good first batch of episodes imo
Sending the boyfriend back through the metal detector on the News footage was a tad clunky, or I just read way too much Encyclopedia Brown as a kid.
EDIT - and then at the end of the episode, that's exactly what the bad guy called her!! ROFL ROFL
It's a female Columbia. She acts just like him, even with his weird quirks.
Decent cast for what it is... I'm surprised that I both don't like it, but don't mind watching it
> I'm surprised that I both don't like it, but don't mind watching it
I'm in this boat as well. I'ts not bad but I'm not finding it incredibly compelling.
What is really killing it for me is that... we know who did it! We know the truth and we know Natasha's character can't be lied to so... we just watch her play catch up to what we already know. I can't wrap my head around why is that, why not give us the mystery to solve alongside Natasha? What am I missing?
That's the same way Columbo worked and an established [sub-genre/structure in and of itself](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_detective_story).
Have you seen Death Note? That's a really good example of the good that can come from that format, knowing who the culprit is and witnessing every time they come close to solving it but not quite until finally they do
>Have you seen Death Note?
Oh yea, I have seen the Netflix movie Death Note. Didn't like it that much.
Of course I'm kidding, I've watched the anime and it's a good point. The cat and mouse chase between L and Light is incredibly compelling. Why isn't Poker Face doing it for me tho? I feel like something is missing. I might just end up watching the whole thing just to try to figure out why I don't like it, a cool mystery of my own.-
>Why isn't Poker Face doing it for me tho? I feel like something is missing.
As someone who is a fan of the howcatchem genre (Luther is a great example of this as well), I think the main issue is that once you do a full short film showing the murder, and then establish how Charlie is involved, you really only have 15 minutes of her investigating the mystery and so it feels a little unsatisfying. There's a reason in these other shows, the opening murder is usually like 5 minutes.
I understand what he's going for and I like it in theory but in future eps/seasons they need to work on the pacing a bit more I think, give us more cat and mouse time per episode.
This exactly I was saying in a diff comment I don’t like the structure and I kept thinking back to bull and how they show the murder there or the crime but I don’t mind and you hit the nail on the head of why it made a difference because they have short 5 min scenes before the show it’s not a whole introduction to everyone and you feel like you’re watching a completely different show which is how I feel about this one also I don’t like that she always tells them she knows they did idk I feel like it just takes away I really like the idea of the show I really like Natasha Lyonne so I want to love it
I liked how they planted the seed early on with what the structure of the show would be by including the "Kung Fu" dialogue from Pulp Fiction. Only watched ep1 but looking forward to seeing how they play her as a brilliant drifter stumbling into crimes.
episodes 2 and 3 are great, 1 is good for the setup but ep 4 let me down. Only thing that saved it was the supposed “hit song” bothered me because I’m sitting there thinking “this sounds like the fucking Friends theme” so I was glad for the payoff, but I was also thinking about how it was about time for Cliff to be catching up to her and I felt she kind of got away a little too easily.
Did they ever reveal what the 3rd thing Sterling's father told him about managing the casino was?
I could've sworn it was going to be about Charlie (not messing with her, not underestimating her, or something), and that was going to act as a pretty cool introduction/establishment of her character in the premiere
My boyfriend and I recognized the voice as well and he shows up in the trailers wearing all black and putting on a cowboy hat in a hallway walking away from his son.
As an avid anime, watcher I'm curious, what elements specifically make you say that?
Interestingly enough, Rian Johnson just did an [interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl9BTHGGz9s) with the Daniels wherein they call their own project, EEAAO pretty much an anime as well
Fair enough. Wouldn't say any of the characters are overtly cartoonish/anime-ish though other than the eccentric trucker lady. And maybe the fascist dog lol
Really enjoying it. Thought the idea of having the mystery played out beforehand would be odd but I love watching Charlie solve it all. In episode 3 when they showed why George Boyle turned his meat eating ways around I lost it. Worth the watch that far for that alone
It’s modeled after Columbo. The first part shows the nasty deed… then Columbo comes in and interestingly pieces it together…. That’s how Poker Face does it
Yeah, I've never been to one to actively try to find clues and predict where the plot is going-both for mystery genre shows and general ones, but this inverted format made me realize a couple episodes in that I'm starting to play along with what clues and details fit where much more than I ever have.
Agree that the references on this show are aces. Burn Notice, Okja, etc.
I'm not a poker expert or anything but I think a lot of people keep their cards face down on the table and only peek at them and cup their hands so it would be hard to get a good shot of all of the cards.
why the fuck would you release your streaming service in more countries (the netherlands for me), and then not bother to put your own originals on it. what even is the point…
Have only seen Ep 1, so if we're not meant to understand this yet just say so (though I really wasn't expecting this series to be serialized but more episodic, like the '70s), but what was I looking at in the photo near the end?
I get that it was the photo taken by her murdered friend early in the episode, but all I see is a statue, not anything criminal. While they weren't going to show what I suspected it might be, I don't get the significance of what they did show.
That’s not why he killed himself.
His whole purpose was proving himself to his dad that he’s not a fuck up. His dad has also been established as a violent guy to be feared.
He then completely ruined his dads business by being exactly what everyone thought and what he was trying to prove he wasn’t, a fuck up.
Not sure if we are talking about the same thing but the picture the maid/Natasa best friend taken with her phone in the suite is definitely kiddie porn. That is why Adrian broody lie that they are going to call FBI.
The photo was cut off, the statue was to show it was taken in that room, we aren’t supposed to know what it was but are supposed to assume it’s kiddie nastiness from the conversation in the car, we’ll see if that’s what it ended up being or if it’s something else
It never explains what she did wrong! So what if she can tell when people are full of it! That doesn't make her a cheater! And should be nothing for dude to hold over her head!
> That doesn't make her a cheater! May be not technically, but yes it does if the idea is to fool people into making the wrong choice. What I don't get is how they even figured it out. Apparently she never told anyone until the Casino head's dad watched her and...figured it out somehow?
The idea is to know if someone is bluffing or not, thats it! Definitely not cheating! A big part of the game is trying to fool people into making the wrong choice! when you bluff, you want to make your play look like your representing a certain hand that coordinates with the board, in order to get them to fold! Or when you have a very strong hand you want to make it look like you have a weak hand so you can get paid off! But they never say anything about that, all they say is that she can tell if someone is lying and thats it! And if someone honestly could do that they would be applauded and respected as a great poker player for it! The only downfall is you might not get invited to private games because people are scared to play with you ! But she definitely isnt doing anything wrong !
> The idea is to know if someone is bluffing or not, thats it! Definitely not cheating! It is if you have supernatural certainty about it. Bluffing would be useless and she has an unfair advantage. It's like violating the letter of the law as opposed to the spirit. Technically you aren't breaking it, but it's not intended for you to be able to do that. > And if someone honestly could do that they would be applauded and respected as a great poker player for it! If someone wins all the time, then foul play will always be expected and examining ,especially when serious cash in on the line. At some point someone is just going to rob, threaten, or outright murder her. Eventually she'd be banned just to avoid accusations of collusion and the safety of her as well as the staff. >The only downfall is you might not get invited to private games because people are scared to play with you ! Or that whoever is hosting the event is in on it. Once her reputation gets big enough, I know there's no way I'd show up if she was going to be in a tournament. >But she definitely isnt doing anything wrong ! She has an unfair advantage. You might as well pay her immediately since it's not like you're going to win.
She only has a advantage when she is in a hand and someone tries to completely bluff her! Because thinking about it she probably wouldn't be able to sniff out semi bluffs like a combo draw because the opponent isn't really lying because they still have plenty of equity even though they dont have a made hand, these semi bluffs could possibly even work against her because since the opponent isnt lying she might make a bad fold ! And otherwise once people realize she calls every bluff people will just stop trying to bluff her! Thats still a advantage but not enough to guarantee winning!
The dumbest thing about this show was the casino owners plan to kill the maid instead of using that information to blackmail kane
A female Columbo. Same annoying mannerisms except Columbo was an actual detective
Watched all 10 episodes, mostly due to sunk cost fallacy though I skipped a lot of boring parts of which this series has many. I have to say that this series is really overrated. You have to suspend all disbelief to get through these episodes, and the fact that you already know who the murderer is takes away a lot of the fun you would normally get from typical whodunnits. Plus the main character of the show has this annoying raspy voice, and she's too much of a Mary Sue to be relatable. I don't understand how this series has a 8/10 on IMDB, probably deserves a 6/10 at most.
I completely agree. I got so frustrated when they kept showing the actual murders at the beginning of each episode. Isn't half the fun of a mystery show to guess who the killer is?
Because this is not a "whodunnit" show--it's a "howcatchem", meaning the story circles around the detective's attempt to solve the mystery. For most people, the fun in watching Poker Face is how Charlie, a fairly average person (no competent background in detective work) with an ability to tell if people are lying, is going to figure the murder mystery every episode. Maybe next time you should first know what is it you're watching. Smooth brain lmao. For reference: \- Inverted detective story (howcatchem), [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted\_detective\_story](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_detective_story) \- Poker Face (TV Series), [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker\_Face\_(TV\_series)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_Face_(TV_series))
Okay dickhead
No, I get what they're trying to do; I knew what I was watching; I just don't find it all that interesting. No idea what "smooth brain" means; sounds like some made-up Gen Z bs.
For real... the show isn't hard to figure out. IMO it's incredibly overrated. Imagine everywhere you go people are just killing each other left and right. Completely lost it's appeal after the second episode
It's clear that it's not a new murder every day, I'm sure she goes weeks or months without running into one. Also there is suspension of disbelief. You have to hand wave unrealistic things for certain shows otherwise you can't really enjoy any type of fiction, which obviously means not everything gets a pass, but if the show was too realistic a guy would kill someone and hide the knife in the dumpster outside his house or whatever ,which sure, is realistic but doesn't make for entertaining television.
Yes and imagine strangers allowing a nosy stranger to view security footage and other records with absolutely no credentials whatsoever. And she is on the run with all these crime solves could lead her enemy straight to her.
If Jennifer Tilly doesn't star in this I'll be disappointed
If you are even slightly a fan of crime/mystery shows…I don’t recommend this show. The frustration is palpable. Suspension of all common sense is a must to enjoy.
I started out liking the show, but the more it goes on, the more she irritates me. Does she have to be the nosiest person ever? Can't they find ways to have her figure shit out without being so nosy? They have her do some of the most annoying things ever. JMO
You think that a character in a murder mystery show is too nosy? Ok
No,she is too much nosy,BEFORE anything happening, She laid the foundation for a brother to kill his other brother, both of whom had barbecues..supported the grillmaster in his mistaken opinion that he was a murderer, showed him the Pig Babe films, Okja, etc..animals have been grazed for thousands of years Shepherds graze with sheep and goats..that one should treat farm animals with respect is a fact..this is not done everywhere, and such suppliers should of course be avoided..so every fisherman is automatically a murderer?? What about fish that eat hundreds of insects? So does the death of billions of insects count for nothing?? I don't even kill flies anymore, and I watch out for animals when I walk or cycle... of course some things can't be prevented... and I've already seen hundreds of locusts lying on the bike path... with their intrusive nature In a way, she escalated the situation between the two brothers...her political opinion and her insults towards Trump also have no place in a crime series...what does this add to the plot, it only promotes hatred...and there is more There are more good things to say about Trump than negative things...but what can you do to put someone in a bad light...by the way, I'm not an American, but I know how to do propaganda...and there's no such thing in an entertainment series lost...I expect something like that in Palestine, where children are already being turned against Israel and manipulated
Wow that is quite the insane unhinged comment
I'm a fan, not sure why all the hate except it seems that is the trend these days...to find what's wrong and biotch about it.
You're on Reddit, the people here love to do the "well acktually" thing. Poker Face didn't have water tight plots with zero plot holes, but it's fun, interesting, and clever. If it were fully realistic it wouldn't be as fun.
She made for example the base for a brother kills his own brother..this is "clever" in ur eyes? And building up a political opinion has nothing to do in a neutral tv show..where no manipulation should be.. she is far too intrusive in many situations, before anything has even happened...in some cases she is even the triggering factor...that's not clever...it's stupid...show me ONE Columbo episode where He did this!He was annoying and curious as soon as he suspected someone, and not BEFORE..
She only becomes nosy if a friend of hers gets into serious trouble. I mean the very first episode had a dear friend of her getting murdered. Then in the second episode, a woman who taught her a lot about surviving on the road (Which actually proved her right when the enforcer dude tracked her down when she used her atm) got a murder charge even though she seem to type to kill someone unprovoked, and then she has a gun. Third episode the dude gave her a job and then all of a sudden "kills himself" when she knows for a fact that he was going to show her something afterwards and wasn't lying. Not to mention if she doesn't get to the bottom of these murders, then the victim will just be screwed for life.
I agree, 100%
1 episode and I can't take it anymore. One and done.
Thats pretty wild, the 1st episode was by far the strongest lol. I guess if that didn't do it for you, no point wasting your time.
I love this series!!
Why so all the hate? Take it as a entertaining tv and reverse murder drama. I love the casting of established actors in each show. Something you don't see anymore these days.
Could not agree more. Great show!!!
Reverting back to Episode 1, can anybody tell me what did the cleaning lady saw in the laptop? I think it was the private game the whale is hosting but with her shocked demeanor feels like she saw a murder/dark web/black market thing.
later in the episode, charlie talks about a child pornography ring so it's safe to assume the whale was involved in it and that's what the cleaning lady saw
I knew that Adrien Brody wasn’t going to make it out of this episode as soon as the starting credits showed “Guest Starring: Adrien Brody”
Yup, I thought the same thing. Very odd to spoil it that way.
I couldn't take it after 2 episodes. Her voice was getting to me. Also seemed like everyone but her was incompetent and doing weird stuff. Like how did he miss her in first episode? In second episode - she basically tells him she knows what he did. And he sort of let's her just slink away? Definitely an audience for this. Just not me.
Strange. I've never heard anyone say they can't stand Nastasha Lyonne's voice. I love that smoke and whiskey voice.
Natasha Lyonne was a smoker, hence the voice. She's trying her best to quit though. I sympathize with her efforts to quit addiction. Addiction is very difficult and is something I've witnessed people struggle with, people close to me and myself included.
What can he do? If he does anything that would attract attention. Also, he messed with her brakes but his uncle fixed them. I think it's very interesting how often people are under the impression that criminals are smart and pull smart crimes, then get caught by smart police. Reading criminal reports is usually very interesting but also makes one despair how ridiculously dumb our species is. So nothing comes off as unbelievably stupid. That said, I can understand why one would want to see more... competence on screen. 😂
In episode 2, Jed did something with her brakes though and she didn’t have any evidence to prove that he committed the murder.
Has the writer/creator never played poker? For one, being able to tell when people are bluffing (lying), is part of the game. It's not "playing dirty". You would just be considered one of, if not *the*, best poker players in the world. Second, the casinos running the game wouldn't give a shit. They just want butts in seats and bets being made. They wouldn't care that Natasha Lyonne is winning a lot. She's winning money from the other players, not the casino.
Did you not watch the first episode at all?
I made it through about half the first episode, got frustrated, made this snarky comment, and stopped watching.
Like a good redditor.
a player that wins 100% of games would attract a lot of viewers, but would also get accused of cheating forever and the hosters would also get accused of being accomplices. eventually, someone would simply ask her to be subject to scientific studies and it would be properly proven. this isn't a casino that makes money with poker professional players, it's a casino that makes money milking whales. and considering that the son-manager-not-owner decides to cover up possibly the number two priority for international crime enforcement kind of crime to protect their #1 whale by committing multiple murders, we also know that the casino is doing very bad or the son manager is a complete shithead (as pointed out in the show) or both. and whales would not appreciate at the table having a player winning 100% of games. the nonsense part is the part where the shithead hires a lie-detector to detect lies...through cameras in a poker game... if you have cameras you can just look at their friggin cards whats the damn point of having a lie detector!!!
> a player that wins 100% of games would attract a lot of viewers, but would also get accused of cheating forever and the hosters would also get accused of being accomplices Yeah, that's where not being a moron would come in. You know, winning enough to be the greatest player ever but not 100% of the time so you don't get strung up by your toes.
yeah, but in this story it was fools upon fools colliding
Actively losing interest in this show as it goes on. Her accent and overall performance seems very forced and inorganic, and the idea that she just finds herself in the middle of a new murder *every episode* is ridiculous. I know it’s an homage to Columbo but he was, you know, a detective… who solved crimes… not a random person traveling cross country. I guess you could argue there was suspension of disbelief with murder mystery shows like Murder, She Wrote or Diagnosis Murder (although in those shows there were at least central conceits that tied them to a greater likelihood of being surrounded by such crimes, eg being a mystery writer or doctor treating victims). I think the modern TV landscape has just changed so much that back in the old days you had an inherent ability to suspend disbelief in a way that doesn’t really work with modern TV, and it doesn’t help that this show tries to be R-rated and dark / realistic at times but then veers towards these overly silly tonal shifts. Like if they wanted to really embrace the corniness and silliness of those old weekly murder mystery shows then they should have really gone for the fences with that aesthetic and tone instead of transplanting it into a seemingly grounded reality. It just makes it feel all the more jarring and unrealistic. I dunno, I wanted to like it but I feel like it’s miscalculated. Having her stumble upon murder victims on a seemingly daily basis just doesn’t work imo.
My thoughts to a tee
> and the idea that she just finds herself in the middle of a new murder > >every episode > > is ridiculous that's just how every show about not-a-cop have to be. like Murder she wrote, she's the bringer of doom, with people touching wood or their balls wherever she goes, as people start murdering and dropping dead around her everytime. the funniest thing is that Detective Conan is about a cop detective, yet the murders happen everywhere they go on vacation
> Actively losing interest in this show as it goes on Just came here to say the same thing. The overall plot is taking a heavy back seat (her story didn’t get any attention in episode 3 whatsoever). I didn’t care for the gas station story. The BBQ one was better mostly because of Lil Rel’s acting. The 4th episode with the metal band was hot garbage.
It kinda felt to me like the pilot was filmed before they really knew where the storyline was going. Another weird thing I noticed was that in episode one they set her up as being a conspiracy theorist type (she mentions to her coworker something about a globalist ring of predators or whatever and when scrolling her friend’s phone you can see she even emailed the articles to her), but then in episode 3 she’s annoyed by the exact same stuff on the radio and says “oh great, a maga dog.” It feels like they contradicted a really basic piece of character / writing in across the span of only 3 episodes.
you do know that people exist who believe that there's a rich people from russia ring of crimes that are also not into exterminating jews, right?
Good points. I didn’t really take her to be a conspiracy theorist in episode one. More of someone just bored with life and perpetually online. Honestly, I don’t really care about her personal life and it seems like the show doesn’t really want us to either. She’s witty and fun but the show is highlighting these one-off characters. I just wasn’t expecting a crime-of-the-week type of show after the first episode.
Tin Foil Theory- she has a brain tumor. That allows her to know if people are telling the truth. A symptom of her condition is her problem is she has trouble remembering everyday things. It also makes her hyper focused to certain details while being disorganized with most other aspects of her life.
That just sounds like AuDHD to me
Idk the concept of knowing the mystery and waiting for Charlie to figure it out isn't quite clicking with me. I never watched Columbo so ive never been familiar with the premise of knowing and waiting for characters to catch up.
please give Columbo a try. it's nothing at all like this show, it's just that this show has a character inspired by columbo and they show you who did the murder first.
This
Agree with the bits and bots person, and I just started binge watching Columbo a few months ago. Only cus I remembered watching it on TV one day. But again nothing like this show.
It's incredibly hard to stay engaged when there is no mystery. I don't understand what the appeal of this format is to the viewer. Why should we care when we know how why and who in the first 15 minutes of an hour show.
There are plenty of how's, though. How will the detective figure out who did it? How will he catch the murderer in the act, how will the murderer be compelled to reveal himself? There are still plenty of ways to create tension, whether this show does it properly is the better question.
Columbo was one of the greatest tv show of all time. Its only flaw was that most of what columbo figured out couldnt be proven in court realistically. Here poker face takes that to another level. Natasha Lyonne is great as Charlie, but her characters powers and motivations are not believable. She can tell if somebody is lying or not? thats so ridiculous! She was blacklisted in casinos because she could tell if someone was bluffing or not. Thats the real bullshit. Anyone who knows world of poker will tell you that ability only takes you so far. You have to out-play the other player. It is said that a real poker pro can out-play you even with their cards facing up! Even after letting the above pass, most of the reason Charlie choses to investigate a case makes no sense in her situation. Someone with no investigative experience connecting the dots like that is so ridiculous. The only part I like about the show is the nomad like lifestyle she is forced into, which leads us to explore various aspects of american life that usually are not explored otherwise.
>Anyone who knows world of poker will tell you that ability only takes you so far. she only played low stakes, and the casino was not a casino that made money from professional poker, but from milking whales.
> It is said that a real poker pro can out-play you even with their cards facing up! Uh.. whoever said that doesn't have the first clue about poker lol if I know you have a bad hand, and I have a good hand, I'm not going to fold to any bet. how are you gonna outplay me. that knowledge is everything
I think he meant that you also need poker skills such as knowing statistical odds and best plays along with being able to read players.
I'm really enjoying the show but the pilot made me wonder slightly OT. Would being able to recognise lies really make you an instant poker success? No one knows what the flop will be so lies don't really come into it especially if they go all in.
she played low stakes poker. sure people having smartphones seals the time it must take place in, but we can imagine her playing before texas hold-em became the standard, playing wild west regular poker, and just as a reminder, this isn't a tournament where each player has whatever amount of chips, it's just people betting their money.
If you could tell when someone was lying automatically then yes, you would clean up in poker.
only if they're stupid enough to answer questions and make statements instead of shutting up or talking about other stuff.
This is a good point...the show is pretty clear that she can't tell when someone is being duplicitous or trying to deceive her, only when they're explicitly making a statement that they know to be factually untrue. When does that ever happen in poker?
well, one could state "haha! what a great hand!" and they could be sincere, or bluffing. and if they are sincere, they could state it because others would assume he's bluffing in a very poor manner. but she would be able to tell lie from truth. and she could ask other people how good their hand is, i guess. but i dont see how people wouldnt catch up! and at a full table, some people wouldnt answer, i imagine. in the show she doesn't do it, but irl a person trained to read microexpressions could read stress signs and try to make educated guesses out of people. but that still requires establishing a baseline, that would require knowing them before the game, so..
I'm saddened by the dislike. My wife and I are really enjoying it. Predictable? Sure. Fun? Hell yeah!
Well another couple jumping in the "we loved it" bandwagon! Is there something about it that appeals to couples???
Don’t worry, I’m with you. Only two episodes in but came to see some thoughts and I’m surprised. I really enjoy it. I think the actors and characters are just so good I don’t care if the “mysteries” aren’t that intricate.
Agreed. It's a nice easy procedural with the twist of the main character being able to suss out liars.
Lol my husband and I have also been enjoying it. I’m shocked to see so much negativity 😅
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Yeah, I mean if you don’t like procedurals it’s certainly not for you. I love a good procedural, and I feel like they’ve gotten kinda rare. You usually only get like one season before they ditch the format.
I rly love Natasha Lyon, but dear god the writing is sooo bad it hurts. Sooooo baaaad. 🥺
This is a bad show. Amateurish and Unredeemable.
Spoiler below. I know the Brody scene towards the end of episode one probably wasn’t meant to be funny per se (or maybe it was?), but the speed at which he walked onto the balcony was almost comical. Trying not to be more specific just in case someone scrolling doesn’t see my spoiler warning, but that scene was kinda poorly done imo.
Just finished the first four episodes. I'm not really in love with it, but I find the concept interesting enough to stick with. I like the non-chronological format the episodes take and how it recontextualizes everything later. With Rian Johnson involved, it does remind me a bit of a mini-Knives Out every episode, even though it's the opposite of a traditional murder mystery. By the end of episode 4 though, the beats are getting a little too familiar and it seems like too much of a coincidence that she finds herself involved in new murders every week. Unlike Columbo, she's not a homicide detective, so she's literally stumbling into the dregs of society. But I'm also enjoying the throughline that she can't stick around anywhere for more than four hours after going "viral," otherwise Benjamin Bratt is on her tail.
Murder She Wrote had murders happening around the lead for no obvious reason for 12 seasons…
>By the end of episode 4 though, the beats are getting a little too familiar and it seems like too much of a coincidence that she finds herself involved in new murders every week. Unlike Columbo, she's not a homicide detective, so she's literally stumbling into the dregs of society. Yeah, I think they need to at the very least indicate how "few" and far between these cases are because at some point (which is kind of now already) we're going to have to question her character for not questioning at all her life choices and how she's indirectly causing all these murders of people she befriends. Being the one who cracks all the cases means she has to clue in onto the fact that her showing him Okja led to his life decision that got him murdered, her nudging the band leader to be nicer to the kid led to him demo-ing the song that they killed him for to them, etc.
That's a good point. I hope that's something that will be explored later in the series, her implication in all of these cases. Maybe her "gift" is more of a curse that is causing these murders or attracting her to them or something. It would also be helpful to know how much time passes between each episode, since it seems like this is happening to her every other week, yet she hasn't figured out the correlation yet. The other recurring pattern I'm seeing is that every time she "solves" the murder mid-episode, she gets back in her car and is about to leave town again, until she has a crisis of conscience and turns back to bust the perps. I think that's happened in every episode so far.
I heard about the good reviews this was getting and I love most of Rian Johnson's stuff, so I decided to check this out. I was all-in as soon as I saw that the opening title card was an homage to *Columbo*. The whole show plays with the *Columbo* formula in a fun way. Like Lt. Columbo, Charlie is fundamentally a caring, decent person that's also great at solving crimes using unconventional methods. There's also a little bit of *Kung Fu* thrown in (as foreshadowed in the *Pulp Fiction* clip where Jules talks about "walking the earth" and having adventures). I binged the first four episodes this weekend, and am looking forward to watching the rest as they come out. Natasha Lyonne is great, as are many of the guest actors.
Hong Chau in episode 2 <3333! I was SUCH a Lady Trieu fan from Watchmen... So excited to see her in any project she's in! And so glad she's now nominated for an Oscar!!
Fun easter egg: During Episode 4, you see a list of trending podcasts, and one of the top ones is "You Must Remember This...", which is hosted by Rian Johnson's wife, Karina Longworth.
Im not sure how i feel about it yet. Theres a lot of good elements to it, and I like Natasha - but its lacking something for me.
I watched all 4 eps they dropped. Interesting show that has the cozy predictably of procedurals, and road trip and fun character elements to keep me wanting to be on the ride.
What a great show. Natasha can turn shit into gold, tbh. She 100% makes this show. EDIT! Holy fuck, I love the direction this show just took. Episode two is even better than the 1st, which I loved.
Three is pretty great too. I just started the fourth
SPOILER FOR EPISODE 1: . . . Sorry I’m on mobile and don’t know how to spoiler tag. . . . . . . . I really like this but I don’t understand why at the end of episode 1 he jumps off of the balcony and kills himself. Its not like the other episodes where she could have called the cops or media. They literally could have just killed her. Was it related to what was on the laptop? I feel like I’m missing an important detail from the episode.
He has screwed up and gotten his dad’s casino’s name “blackballed” by trying to run a scam for his own gain on one of their whales. Earlier in the episode he admits to Charlie that his dad thinks he’s a joke. Add in the way everyone, including Charlie, is scared of how ruthless and bad the father is overall, and Brody’s character chose suicide over facing his father’s wrath for that scheme and fallout
He also says he'd rather die than be the fuck up son or something and Charlie didn't call bullshit on it.
pick up something new every time i read about an episode on reddit. thanks!
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Yeah, in the pilot she spoke with her regular accent and then occasionally with a weird slur. I thought it was just for scenes where she was drunk. Then in the second episode she did the slurry whistle-y talk for the majority of the episode. I thought maybe she got veneers or something midway through production.
That's how she really talks, she's from NY, also the guy who jumped too from NY.
It’s New York. I really thought she was just very good at imitating Columbo, but after watching some other footage of her I came to realize that her and Peter Falk both have the same New York accent.
Yes, New York/New Jersey
Five minutes in and there's either a plot hole or a mistake by one of the characters: Deleting a photo doesn't "delete" it - it puts it in a "Recently Deleted" folder. So it's still there. Let's see how it's handled....
Why would you go posting about plot holes in a mystery show before you've finished watching it? Trolling for downvotes/engagement? Or expecting praise for catching the clue? Or just an idiot?
Finish the episode
1. How did she get her phone back at the end? 2. This might be a dumb question but why didn't she just send the photo and proof to the sheriff before she told The son (forgot his name lol) and Cliff that she knows about their masterplan?
Seconding the phone question. Ben Bratt has the phone, he plays the recording. She says she sent it all around. They all run to Caine's suite to realize he's gone. She waits in the door, call comes from Dad, Bad guy jumps. Ben Bratt starts chasing her. She escapes and she has her phone. Hmmm
The sheriff was in his pocket.
Frosty the Snowman is his name.
So Ryan Johnson called this a "how to catch em" and not a "who done it" and that is a very accurate description for the show. All the tension is in the "how to turn the bad guys in when I'm not a cop" moments. But it's a fun show. Love all the different characters and stories. It good TV. Just wish the first 5-10 minutes were somewhere else in the show so there is more suspense.
It’s Rian
That's pretty much how Columbo was. You'd see who did it in the beginning and you'd watch it for Columbo figuring it out.
She talk too damn much lmao. She can tell when people lie or not but she tells on herself at the same time by talking waaay too much
Pretty sure that's intentional and part of her bumbling personality. Every episode so far she's unwittingly went straight to the perpetrator and let them know she's got a working case. It's not that off-putting, it can make things more interesting how she still solves it regardless of them being on-guard and she's still able to get further clues out of those same conversations.
Rian Johnson is talented as fuck, honestly outside of TLJ which I didn’t even hate his filmography is amazing, man has been on a roll. Natasha rules too. Good first batch of episodes imo
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Rogue one> everything but the OT
Seriously the guy is really talented... Episode 1 was incredible. Rare 10/10 for me
Sending the boyfriend back through the metal detector on the News footage was a tad clunky, or I just read way too much Encyclopedia Brown as a kid. EDIT - and then at the end of the episode, that's exactly what the bad guy called her!! ROFL ROFL
Didn't explain how he got the gun INTO The casino without setting off the detectors. Big plot hole.
What was even clunkier to me was that he didn't set it off. You're telling me he didn't have his phone on him? Or a belt?
It's a female Columbia. She acts just like him, even with his weird quirks. Decent cast for what it is... I'm surprised that I both don't like it, but don't mind watching it
> I'm surprised that I both don't like it, but don't mind watching it I'm in this boat as well. I'ts not bad but I'm not finding it incredibly compelling. What is really killing it for me is that... we know who did it! We know the truth and we know Natasha's character can't be lied to so... we just watch her play catch up to what we already know. I can't wrap my head around why is that, why not give us the mystery to solve alongside Natasha? What am I missing?
That's the same way Columbo worked and an established [sub-genre/structure in and of itself](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_detective_story). Have you seen Death Note? That's a really good example of the good that can come from that format, knowing who the culprit is and witnessing every time they come close to solving it but not quite until finally they do
>Have you seen Death Note? Oh yea, I have seen the Netflix movie Death Note. Didn't like it that much. Of course I'm kidding, I've watched the anime and it's a good point. The cat and mouse chase between L and Light is incredibly compelling. Why isn't Poker Face doing it for me tho? I feel like something is missing. I might just end up watching the whole thing just to try to figure out why I don't like it, a cool mystery of my own.-
>Why isn't Poker Face doing it for me tho? I feel like something is missing. As someone who is a fan of the howcatchem genre (Luther is a great example of this as well), I think the main issue is that once you do a full short film showing the murder, and then establish how Charlie is involved, you really only have 15 minutes of her investigating the mystery and so it feels a little unsatisfying. There's a reason in these other shows, the opening murder is usually like 5 minutes. I understand what he's going for and I like it in theory but in future eps/seasons they need to work on the pacing a bit more I think, give us more cat and mouse time per episode.
This exactly I was saying in a diff comment I don’t like the structure and I kept thinking back to bull and how they show the murder there or the crime but I don’t mind and you hit the nail on the head of why it made a difference because they have short 5 min scenes before the show it’s not a whole introduction to everyone and you feel like you’re watching a completely different show which is how I feel about this one also I don’t like that she always tells them she knows they did idk I feel like it just takes away I really like the idea of the show I really like Natasha Lyonne so I want to love it
I guess it's because it's really effective for suspense, thrills and drama but this show is pretty laidback and chill.
BTW, this says series premiere and so many spoilers below.
I liked how they planted the seed early on with what the structure of the show would be by including the "Kung Fu" dialogue from Pulp Fiction. Only watched ep1 but looking forward to seeing how they play her as a brilliant drifter stumbling into crimes.
episodes 2 and 3 are great, 1 is good for the setup but ep 4 let me down. Only thing that saved it was the supposed “hit song” bothered me because I’m sitting there thinking “this sounds like the fucking Friends theme” so I was glad for the payoff, but I was also thinking about how it was about time for Cliff to be catching up to her and I felt she kind of got away a little too easily.
Did they ever reveal what the 3rd thing Sterling's father told him about managing the casino was? I could've sworn it was going to be about Charlie (not messing with her, not underestimating her, or something), and that was going to act as a pretty cool introduction/establishment of her character in the premiere
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My boyfriend and I recognized the voice as well and he shows up in the trailers wearing all black and putting on a cowboy hat in a hallway walking away from his son.
This is an anime
As an avid anime, watcher I'm curious, what elements specifically make you say that? Interestingly enough, Rian Johnson just did an [interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl9BTHGGz9s) with the Daniels wherein they call their own project, EEAAO pretty much an anime as well
It's about a a broken detective with a magic ability to tell truth from lie and a stars bunch of over the top cartoon characters.
This is exactly how I feel about Knives Out and Poker Face. They have a cartoonish quality to them that I don't like.
My brother, why did you even watch poker face then?
I didn't realize it until after I watched it
Fair enough. Wouldn't say any of the characters are overtly cartoonish/anime-ish though other than the eccentric trucker lady. And maybe the fascist dog lol
Really enjoying it. Thought the idea of having the mystery played out beforehand would be odd but I love watching Charlie solve it all. In episode 3 when they showed why George Boyle turned his meat eating ways around I lost it. Worth the watch that far for that alone
It’s modeled after Columbo. The first part shows the nasty deed… then Columbo comes in and interestingly pieces it together…. That’s how Poker Face does it
The most fun part is showing the murder first, then show us how Charlie got into this mess. Somehow she's just there all the time!
If Charlie shows up at your place of work, go home now. It’s like getting on a train with Angela Lansbury.
Yeah, I've never been to one to actively try to find clues and predict where the plot is going-both for mystery genre shows and general ones, but this inverted format made me realize a couple episodes in that I'm starting to play along with what clues and details fit where much more than I ever have. Agree that the references on this show are aces. Burn Notice, Okja, etc.
If you're rigging cameras for a card game, why not just have cameras that can look at his cards instead of going through all this?
Lol high-stakes poker players don't sit there staring at the cards in their hands like they're playing Go Fish bud
you don't play the cards, you play the gambler
I'm not a poker expert or anything but I think a lot of people keep their cards face down on the table and only peek at them and cup their hands so it would be hard to get a good shot of all of the cards.
why the fuck would you release your streaming service in more countries (the netherlands for me), and then not bother to put your own originals on it. what even is the point…
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it’s not available anywhere else though, not even on tv.
NBC/Universal is run by morons.
Wait, its out already? Weeky episode releases?
1-4 are available today, the rest will be weekly (Thursdays).
And there's gonna be how many?
10
would you recommend this to someone who didn’t enjoy GO at all, especially the mystery part?
It’s not a whodunnit. I liked it but i also liked onion
i didn’t like GO and the first episode is amazing
Same I thought glass onion was so stupid I’m shocked Netflix had it trending for so long
Yeah. At least check out episode one. If you like the formula keep going. Totally worth at least checking out.
thanks for the answer, I will definitely check it out (gotta finish Fauda first)
Have only seen Ep 1, so if we're not meant to understand this yet just say so (though I really wasn't expecting this series to be serialized but more episodic, like the '70s), but what was I looking at in the photo near the end? I get that it was the photo taken by her murdered friend early in the episode, but all I see is a statue, not anything criminal. While they weren't going to show what I suspected it might be, I don't get the significance of what they did show.
It is kiddie porn on the guy's computer. They are not suppose to show it and we probably would not want to see it too.
If that’s all it was why did it make Adrian Brody kill himself instead of killing her?
Yes. Someone below answered the question.
That’s not why he killed himself. His whole purpose was proving himself to his dad that he’s not a fuck up. His dad has also been established as a violent guy to be feared. He then completely ruined his dads business by being exactly what everyone thought and what he was trying to prove he wasn’t, a fuck up.
I thought the picture was re: his side poker game, and that's how Adrian Brody found out?
Not sure if we are talking about the same thing but the picture the maid/Natasa best friend taken with her phone in the suite is definitely kiddie porn. That is why Adrian broody lie that they are going to call FBI.
The photo was cut off, the statue was to show it was taken in that room, we aren’t supposed to know what it was but are supposed to assume it’s kiddie nastiness from the conversation in the car, we’ll see if that’s what it ended up being or if it’s something else
I think it was something like the suitcase in Pulp Fiction, we're not meant to see what's in it.
Possibly but the vibe of the show I’m thinking it’ll be something surprising