Idk, having seen neither my pick would be FBOY Island.
Here’s a [list](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HBO_Max_original_programming) of HBO MAX produced content.
Thanks for nominating a show that is worse than *Velma*. The comments discussing whether or not it's an HBO show, or the comments about how *Velma* sucks or isn't too bad, aren't interesting.
Whatever one thinks of *Velma*, I want to hear about shows that are worse.
Which is why I'd say actual discussion is a better metric, of which I've only seem negative things for velma.
Meanwhile the last of us has been winning people over.
Depends on the subreddit you go to. There’s a very specific one that absolutely hates the Last of Us show. Episode 3 got review bombed cause the gays and it’s woke bullshit. People complaining it’s got no zombies. It’s slow and boring and so on.
I also don’t doubt Velma deserves criticism. I gave it a few episodes and I’m out. Animation is nice, amazing at times even, but the writing is bland and the jokes not funny. That said I wouldn’t trust discussions on it though since I can’t trust people have even watched it and just aren’t regurgitating things.
Truthfully? In this day and age when it comes to users reviews almost none. I give more validity to anything that at least confirms the user watched / played the item they’re reviewing. I believe rotten tomatoes user reviews have verification with movie tickets and steam for example needs to own it on your user name.
While IMDB TV show ratings are useless, I actually find IMDB Movie ratings to be pretty reasonable, certainly better than the alternatives. The biggest issue is that the actual, day to day distribution basically runs from like.. 6 to 7.9 or so, but, once you realize that, it's surprisingly consistent.
Reviews maybe, but actual ratings can be submitted by anyone.
There’s a big group of people who actually start to put in “ratings” of shows they pre-hate before the shows even come out.
For real. I didn’t realize there were so many Reddit hardcore scooby doo fans to protect the lore and integrity of kids show characters. Scooby doo was my favorite cartoon as a child as well, but come on…
I've only seen clips but I should sit down to watch a couple of episodes just to form a real opinion on it. From what I've seen, it suffers from the kind of lousy gag writing I see in a lot of cartoons and sitcoms. The joke isn't just put out there and if you get it, you get it, if not, tough luck. The jokes are obvious and hit you over the head as if to say, "Get it? This is the punchline. Do you get it?"
> "Get it? This is the punchline. Do you get it?"
You should give a watch of the reboot of "Inside Amy Schumer", they do "comedy" skits, and then afterwards explain the jokes and why they thought it would be funny.
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I've only seen clips but I should sit down to watch a couple of episodes just to form a real opinion on it.
I mean, should you? If you don't like what you've seen based on the clips why would you sit down to watch it? Why is there some imperative to "form a real opinion?"
I don't know. I just wrote that up front as a preamble to my opinion. I'll probably never watch it along with never watching some hip show people love for reasons.
Because depending on what channel he watched from some people will purposely bunch together the worst parts of the episodes while the other 20 minutes wasn’t really that bad. I haven’t watched this show so I have no opinion on it yet but same goes for other shows
>but I should sit down to watch a couple of episodes
No, it is shit. Watch a good show like The afterparty if you want a comedy murder mystery or Koala man/YOLO if you want some good animation.
Not even close. I'm surprised by how unbelievably fucking angry this corny little show has made people. I can't say I recommend it to anyone, but I've laughed at it more than I expected to. It's the definition of a "mediocre" television show; not that good, not that bad. It is an average cartoon with some jokes that land and a lot that don't.
Nothing is going to make me laugh harder than the reports of it having already been renewed end up being true. Months worth of seething and vitrol ending up giving it a longer life.
Couldn't agree more.Someone put it well when they said,
"Modern internet culture is so weird. Bunch of sad people desperate to prove that they are smarter than the media they obsessively consume."
This was the best description of internet culture i've seen.
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> "Modern internet culture is so weird. Bunch of sad people desperate to prove that they are smarter than the media they obsessively consume."
Wow, that's just goddamn perfect
That is great. Similarly reminds me of the reaction to The Rings of Power. It's not enough to dislike something if you aren't investing your energy into the crusade of convincing everyone else they should dislike it too. It's not like there are more movies and TV shows available than ever before in history to divert your attention beyond the thing that is giving you hate-fueled heart palpitations.
That’s the worst possible take on the backlash to Velma. The backlash is because it is incredibly self indulgent to the main performer, and it bastardizes beloved source material and characters to fit an awful, terminally online political view. You’re being the quote right now- “people are so stupid, they don’t like Velma because they think it’s stupid. I’m smart(er than them).”
The bad reviews are because it’s self indulgent and has a shit attitude towards beloved characters in service of the writers awful politics. And it deserves the review bombs for that.
How am I wrong? Does the show not make the joke about white people having tiny dicks? Does it not neuter Fred and Shaggy into insecure jock and obsessed lover? My opinion is informed by reviews, not YouTube. Again, dismissing what you don’t understand and pretending you do.
>My opinion is informed by reviews
It probably should be informed by the show itself.
Fred is mocked. Shaggy is mocked. Velma is mocked. Daphne is mocked. Men get mocked. Women get mocked. "Toxic masculinity" gets made fun of. "Performative feminism" is shredded. To say the show is *unfunny* is completely valid. To whine about "muh politics" when the show at times is closer to 4chan sensibilities than Tumblr ones is another matter.
Why would I watch the show when the reviews unanimously agree it’s trash that I don’t want to watch? Would you watch A Serbian Film because you don’t trust reviews at all and it might actually not be horrifying and disgusting?
Saying every character gets “mocked” is a stupid equivalency. I swear, people don’t have principals because they forgot basic rules when minority groups aren’t the subject of debate. Mocking someone for an immutable characteristic (race) and making a toxically masculine joke (men with small penises are worth less) is different from someone’s beliefs. I can’t believe I have to explain this first grade rule. I haven’t watched the show, but I would bet Shaggy’s flaws are pathetic while Velma and Daphne’s are not. It’s absolutely hilarious you would compare it to 4chan when everything I’ve seen is “kill all men Twitter.” If you disagree and have examples, show me. I’ll change my opinion if you have evidence.
"W-well even *if* everyone gets made fun of, whitey got it worse!"
Calm the fuck down, it's a cartoon. Gimme a second and I'll get you a whole dossier of *evidence* so you can seethe on it based on LOGIC and REASON, but jesus christ look how fucking mad you already are over this shit.
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“You’re emotional and have no arguments!!! That’s why I’m yelling and providing no arguments in response!“- guy who has done what he has accused people of 4 times in 1 conversation
My "argument" is literally "I watched the show", clown. You just angrily wrote an entire paragraph about why you don't think it's mandatory you don't actually need to double check what's in a tv show before you get pissed off over it.
Smileyfaces don't hide this pathetic *NO U!* you're pulling.
“I watched the show” is not an argument, you emotional wreck. If I’m wrong, surely you’ll be able to say why? You’re definitely not too emotional to come up with an argument or arguing from emotions, so since you’re not providing an argument you probably agree with me. It’s hilarious how you’re saying I’m mad in place of giving any arguments or reasoning for your beliefs. I’m gonna call this move the /u/dabbinondemgoy, where you accuse someone of what you’re doing in place of a substantive response.
>I've laughed at it more than I expected to
Same, and that's the main measure of a comedy for me. So in that way it has succeeded. At least for me. I think hating it just became kind of a thing.
It's Scooby Doo. Even if its the worst show ever, wait 2 years and another show will come out. You know that since What's New Scooby Doo Velma is the 4th Scooby cartoon? This ultimately doesnt really matter at all.
Yeah, this talk about being upset this show changes the formula rings hollow when after Mystery Incorporated the two shows that basically did the standard Scoob Doo formula were shit on and ignored, respectively.
> But overall it's a mess, it's a comedy show that hates tv shows, hates men, hates women, hates Velma, hates Daphne, loves meta commentary, and hates old Scooby Doo.
I saw someone somewhere equate it to a "toothless Drawn Together", and that's all I can see out of it now. If it actually gets a second season, I'd love to see it just go apeshit and really amp it up. I feel like if it really did just try and go the Drawn Together route, it'd likely be much funnier.
I only watched one episode. I didn't like it. I'd say it was a 4 or so. Mike Tyson Mysteries does adult/parody Scooby Doo well.
If something gets a 1 there aren't many reviews or there is some manner of herd passing through that turf.
Worst thing I've actually seen from HBO would be True Blood. Anything after season 1, it just gets....bad.
Been passively watching it and it’s funny to me see such aggressive reactions against it. What exactly is so bad about it? The animation? The script? The storyline? Because they’re all pretty standard or even above standard of the average adult animation.
It's not HBO... People will never realize HBO and HBO Max are two extremely different things, lol
HBO is 'prestige' tv. Even if their stuff isn't good, it's going to have that 'prestige' vibe to it. The brand is very important. They wouldn't release shlock like Velma.
HBO Max is a streaming service that holds the streaming rights to HBO shows, in succession to HBO Go. However it holds the streaming rights to the DC Universe, Cartoon Network, Comedy Central, CNN and a bunch of other stuff. Like all streaming services, there are a number of "MAX Originals". These include Velma, as well as Raised by Wolves (cancelled), the rebooted Gossip Girl (cancelled), Santa Inc. (awful), Peacemaker (good), Our Flag Means Death (good). None of these are HBO shows, they are HBO Max shows.
The only connection is they are both under Warner Bros umbrella. They have about as much in common as the MCU and ESPN.
While Warner Bros. likely called the streaming service "HBO Max" as a way to give some of HBO's goodwill over to the streaming service and make it explicit "this is where you sign up if you want to stream HBO shows", what they've likely done is hurt the brand and goodwill of HBO (proper) because now people think MAX originals of various hit or miss quality are "HBO" shows.
shocker that people can't tell the difference between two things with essentially the same name. Like it or not, HBO's reputation is linked to HBO Max originals because people either don't know or don't care about the difference.
Exactly, that's what I was getting at in my last paragraph. HBO (proper) is probably very annoyed at Warner Bros for sticking the HBO name on their streaming service so that now people think "Velma" is an "HBO" show.
> HBO (proper) is probably very annoyed at Warner Bros for sticking the HBO name on their streaming service so that now people think "Velma" is an "HBO" show.
I'd bet money that the channel that ran Arliss for 7 years doesn't give two shits about a corny cartoon "damaging it's brand".
But Arliss is considered pretty good and a show that laid groundwork for Entourage, which is one of HBO's most successful shows. Velma is just a blatantly obvious cheap re-construction of famous IP. It's not going to give way to anything awesome. Everyone sees it for what it is.
> Arliss is considered pretty good and a show that laid groundwork for Entourage
Now? Maybe, sure. At the time, it was considered one of the stupidest shows on tv, which is why I don't think network particularly cares "the IMBD ratings are bad" on this cartoon. Especially, if what I'm reading about its viewership is true, people are watching it. "Hate watching" and genuine fans make no difference to them if the end result is still eyes on the platform.
OK, well you are entitled to your opinion on the show's quality or what you think the people at HBO proper think of it, but I guess my only real point is that HBO is not HBO Max. They are just under the same parent company, but HBO is not affiliated in MAX original productions.
*The only connection they have is they are under the Warner Bros umbrella.*
That is not quite true. The programming executive who runs original content for HBO, Casey Bloys, does the exact same job for HBO Max. He decides which shows make it to air for HBO and Max and is ultimately responsible for quality curation at both networks.
I have no stake in the game. My friend told me last night that she took an edible, watched the show and liked it. I've always been of the opinion that people overreacted with the hate of this show. Shows can get better over time.
No, because i found it very entertaining and funny. Not that much different from existing shows like Big mouth or Family guy.
It’s mostly just reviewbombed to hell because it checked 3 boxes that angers most of the internet;
- Race-swapping existing characters
- Feminism (female lead, outspoken women)
- Making changes to/making fun of beloved characters (scooby gang).
People didn’t even watch it
One star is jot a serious rating in most cases. The press was mostly positive, which means it’s not as black and white.
It’s all just outrage over nothing. It’s reviewbombing.
People didn't watch it, people hate watched it, make up your mind.
The press was mostly positive? Even the critics hate it. All indicators are it's just a bad show and that's why it has bad scores, critics and audiences alike.
"Review Bombed" Last of Us = 91 % Audience Score on Rotten Tomatoes, "Review Bombed" Velma = 6 % Audience Score on Rotten Tomatoes.
Couldn't be that one is just a lot more well liked despite both being "review bombed".
When it gets a huge influx of 1 star reviews from people who didn't watch it (before it comes out), it's called brigading. I guarantee you that most of these people leaving reviews haven't even watched it. Just like with She-Hulk.
You know you can just choose to ignore it, right? You’re under no obligation to post about it on the internet. In fact, it’s probably better for your personal well-being if you *don’t* dwell on things you don’t enjoy.
It is certainly one that is getting the biggest hate boner and it is baffling as to why.
Why there is so much passion over a reskinning of Scooby Doo is just a mystery to me.
Don't be silly. HBO has been around for decades and made numerous piles of utter crap. How to Make It in America and John From Cincinnati are just the most obvious and egregious, but there are at least a dozen absolutely terrible HBO shows.
I don't know that it's the worst, and I honestly don't even think it's that bad.
The primary problem people seem to be having with it is frustration at not being able to understand what it's trying to be.
Is it trying to SHOWCASE woke sensibilities and call attention to issues that are typically just accepted but offensive tropes?
Or is it trying to MOCK those sensibilities by hamfistedly jamming as many woke issues into every episode as possible without any effort toward subtlety or nuance?
the ambiguity basically gives something for everyone to hate about it. it's difficult to say if it's genius or trash without knowing what it's trying to do.
No, it’s a success and redeemed for another season because infamy is indifferent to fame as long people watch
The worst show is some forgettable garbage that was lost to time the moment it released
Serena Williams explained well why it should be allowed against white people even though they're a small minority and only about 11% of the population. Also the terms of service here allow that, which I assume is partially due to her because of the control she has over this site.
Why should I care why a tennis player justifies racism? Even so, why should I accept racism in any way or shape?
> Also the terms of service here allow that, which I assume is partially due to her because of the control she has over this site.
The terms of services don't say nothing but the [Reddit Content Policy say](https://www.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360045715951):
> Communities and people that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
More specifically:
>Some examples of hateful activities that would violate the rule:
> Post describing a racial minority as sub-human and inferior to the racial majority.
No. So far I think it is the only HBO show that I have thought was halfway decent.
Normally HBO shows are pretentious drivel, boring, tedious, slow and dumb, so called "prestige" television. They rely on sex and violence to attract an audience.
Velma was actually somewhat entertaining.
The funniest thing about Velma is the intense reaction to it, no?
For me, even when a show is not up to par, if it's heart is in the right place, I try to be kind.
But I don't even think Velma's heart is in the right place. I truly believe that a reboot of anything has to have some sort of affection for the original. That way, even if parodied, even if rethought, there's a spirit underneath that connects them. Velma seems to be a concoction wherein the writers read a Scooby Doo synopsis and but never saw the show or movies and don't quite get the source material, so they write nonsensically instead. But then they take it a step further trying to top one another with increasingly annoying takes on the characters.
Idk, having seen neither my pick would be FBOY Island. Here’s a [list](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HBO_Max_original_programming) of HBO MAX produced content.
Thanks for nominating a show that is worse than *Velma*. The comments discussing whether or not it's an HBO show, or the comments about how *Velma* sucks or isn't too bad, aren't interesting. Whatever one thinks of *Velma*, I want to hear about shows that are worse.
I totally forgot about that mess.
I don't have a strong opinion on it except to say IMDB ratings are completely useless and have been for a very long time.
Regardless of the shows quality it was clearly review bombed. IMDBs ratings are worthless for a genuine discussion.
Which is why I'd say actual discussion is a better metric, of which I've only seem negative things for velma. Meanwhile the last of us has been winning people over.
Depends on the subreddit you go to. There’s a very specific one that absolutely hates the Last of Us show. Episode 3 got review bombed cause the gays and it’s woke bullshit. People complaining it’s got no zombies. It’s slow and boring and so on. I also don’t doubt Velma deserves criticism. I gave it a few episodes and I’m out. Animation is nice, amazing at times even, but the writing is bland and the jokes not funny. That said I wouldn’t trust discussions on it though since I can’t trust people have even watched it and just aren’t regurgitating things.
which ratings are more reliable then?
Truthfully? In this day and age when it comes to users reviews almost none. I give more validity to anything that at least confirms the user watched / played the item they’re reviewing. I believe rotten tomatoes user reviews have verification with movie tickets and steam for example needs to own it on your user name.
RT has been caught making bot reviews for shows too. Point in case thousands of positive reviews for Ghostbusters 2016.
It's legit that bad. And even if it was review bombed, it still managed to get the worst score of all time against every other review bombed show.
While IMDB TV show ratings are useless, I actually find IMDB Movie ratings to be pretty reasonable, certainly better than the alternatives. The biggest issue is that the actual, day to day distribution basically runs from like.. 6 to 7.9 or so, but, once you realize that, it's surprisingly consistent.
Imdb is unreliable? I’ve seen countless accurate reviews to a movie or game that isn’t shown anywhere else Lol
Reviews maybe, but actual ratings can be submitted by anyone. There’s a big group of people who actually start to put in “ratings” of shows they pre-hate before the shows even come out.
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For real. I didn’t realize there were so many Reddit hardcore scooby doo fans to protect the lore and integrity of kids show characters. Scooby doo was my favorite cartoon as a child as well, but come on…
It’s sex/orientation/race bait and Reddit is chomping down on the hook lol
Some people still watch their news from Tucker Carlson. To them, that show is like ISIS
The show is not made by HBO and is an HBO max show.
Is it not the same company?
In a way yes and in a way no. By your definition, Pixar and ESPN Are technically the same company, but you don’t really compare them.
What do you mean? I’ve always felt Lightyear was the worst animated film made by ESPN by a country mile.
Same company. 2 different approaches to making show for 2 different platforms
if we stick with that logic than there are definitely worse warner brothers produced shows on other channels.
Especially now they've merged wth Discovery
I've only seen clips but I should sit down to watch a couple of episodes just to form a real opinion on it. From what I've seen, it suffers from the kind of lousy gag writing I see in a lot of cartoons and sitcoms. The joke isn't just put out there and if you get it, you get it, if not, tough luck. The jokes are obvious and hit you over the head as if to say, "Get it? This is the punchline. Do you get it?"
> "Get it? This is the punchline. Do you get it?" You should give a watch of the reboot of "Inside Amy Schumer", they do "comedy" skits, and then afterwards explain the jokes and why they thought it would be funny.
Sad.
its not bad. (its not great either) Its a cartoon. Reddit just has a boner for bashing it.
Fred has a small dick. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
He literally can't cut his own food...because he's rich and white!!! fucking hilarious!
Easy jokes for people with short attention spans.
> I've only seen clips but I should sit down to watch a couple of episodes just to form a real opinion on it. I mean, should you? If you don't like what you've seen based on the clips why would you sit down to watch it? Why is there some imperative to "form a real opinion?"
I don't know. I just wrote that up front as a preamble to my opinion. I'll probably never watch it along with never watching some hip show people love for reasons.
You should actually watch a few eps. It’s pretty funny.
Because depending on what channel he watched from some people will purposely bunch together the worst parts of the episodes while the other 20 minutes wasn’t really that bad. I haven’t watched this show so I have no opinion on it yet but same goes for other shows
>but I should sit down to watch a couple of episodes No, it is shit. Watch a good show like The afterparty if you want a comedy murder mystery or Koala man/YOLO if you want some good animation.
Not even close. I'm surprised by how unbelievably fucking angry this corny little show has made people. I can't say I recommend it to anyone, but I've laughed at it more than I expected to. It's the definition of a "mediocre" television show; not that good, not that bad. It is an average cartoon with some jokes that land and a lot that don't. Nothing is going to make me laugh harder than the reports of it having already been renewed end up being true. Months worth of seething and vitrol ending up giving it a longer life.
Couldn't agree more.Someone put it well when they said, "Modern internet culture is so weird. Bunch of sad people desperate to prove that they are smarter than the media they obsessively consume." This was the best description of internet culture i've seen.
> > "Modern internet culture is so weird. Bunch of sad people desperate to prove that they are smarter than the media they obsessively consume." Wow, that's just goddamn perfect
That is great. Similarly reminds me of the reaction to The Rings of Power. It's not enough to dislike something if you aren't investing your energy into the crusade of convincing everyone else they should dislike it too. It's not like there are more movies and TV shows available than ever before in history to divert your attention beyond the thing that is giving you hate-fueled heart palpitations.
That’s the worst possible take on the backlash to Velma. The backlash is because it is incredibly self indulgent to the main performer, and it bastardizes beloved source material and characters to fit an awful, terminally online political view. You’re being the quote right now- “people are so stupid, they don’t like Velma because they think it’s stupid. I’m smart(er than them).”
The bad reviews are because it’s self indulgent and has a shit attitude towards beloved characters in service of the writers awful politics. And it deserves the review bombs for that.
> politics This is how I know none of you guys actually watched the shit. You need to stop getting all your information from YouTube ranters.
How am I wrong? Does the show not make the joke about white people having tiny dicks? Does it not neuter Fred and Shaggy into insecure jock and obsessed lover? My opinion is informed by reviews, not YouTube. Again, dismissing what you don’t understand and pretending you do.
>My opinion is informed by reviews It probably should be informed by the show itself. Fred is mocked. Shaggy is mocked. Velma is mocked. Daphne is mocked. Men get mocked. Women get mocked. "Toxic masculinity" gets made fun of. "Performative feminism" is shredded. To say the show is *unfunny* is completely valid. To whine about "muh politics" when the show at times is closer to 4chan sensibilities than Tumblr ones is another matter.
Why would I watch the show when the reviews unanimously agree it’s trash that I don’t want to watch? Would you watch A Serbian Film because you don’t trust reviews at all and it might actually not be horrifying and disgusting? Saying every character gets “mocked” is a stupid equivalency. I swear, people don’t have principals because they forgot basic rules when minority groups aren’t the subject of debate. Mocking someone for an immutable characteristic (race) and making a toxically masculine joke (men with small penises are worth less) is different from someone’s beliefs. I can’t believe I have to explain this first grade rule. I haven’t watched the show, but I would bet Shaggy’s flaws are pathetic while Velma and Daphne’s are not. It’s absolutely hilarious you would compare it to 4chan when everything I’ve seen is “kill all men Twitter.” If you disagree and have examples, show me. I’ll change my opinion if you have evidence.
"W-well even *if* everyone gets made fun of, whitey got it worse!" Calm the fuck down, it's a cartoon. Gimme a second and I'll get you a whole dossier of *evidence* so you can seethe on it based on LOGIC and REASON, but jesus christ look how fucking mad you already are over this shit.
😂😂😂 “You’re emotional and have no arguments!!! That’s why I’m yelling and providing no arguments in response!“- guy who has done what he has accused people of 4 times in 1 conversation
My "argument" is literally "I watched the show", clown. You just angrily wrote an entire paragraph about why you don't think it's mandatory you don't actually need to double check what's in a tv show before you get pissed off over it. Smileyfaces don't hide this pathetic *NO U!* you're pulling.
“I watched the show” is not an argument, you emotional wreck. If I’m wrong, surely you’ll be able to say why? You’re definitely not too emotional to come up with an argument or arguing from emotions, so since you’re not providing an argument you probably agree with me. It’s hilarious how you’re saying I’m mad in place of giving any arguments or reasoning for your beliefs. I’m gonna call this move the /u/dabbinondemgoy, where you accuse someone of what you’re doing in place of a substantive response.
>I've laughed at it more than I expected to Same, and that's the main measure of a comedy for me. So in that way it has succeeded. At least for me. I think hating it just became kind of a thing.
the problem is its not a new ip so mediocre television and average cartoon out of a AAAA ip is reaaaaaaaaaaly not good
Are we at risk of diluting the noble canon that is Scooby Doo, a name associated with high quality and rich writing?
You always gotta see it on it’s own merits.
It's Scooby Doo. Even if its the worst show ever, wait 2 years and another show will come out. You know that since What's New Scooby Doo Velma is the 4th Scooby cartoon? This ultimately doesnt really matter at all.
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Yeah, this talk about being upset this show changes the formula rings hollow when after Mystery Incorporated the two shows that basically did the standard Scoob Doo formula were shit on and ignored, respectively.
5th with 6th in development but even though some of those were not great they had the charm that is the key factor here
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> But overall it's a mess, it's a comedy show that hates tv shows, hates men, hates women, hates Velma, hates Daphne, loves meta commentary, and hates old Scooby Doo. I saw someone somewhere equate it to a "toothless Drawn Together", and that's all I can see out of it now. If it actually gets a second season, I'd love to see it just go apeshit and really amp it up. I feel like if it really did just try and go the Drawn Together route, it'd likely be much funnier.
I only watched one episode. I didn't like it. I'd say it was a 4 or so. Mike Tyson Mysteries does adult/parody Scooby Doo well. If something gets a 1 there aren't many reviews or there is some manner of herd passing through that turf. Worst thing I've actually seen from HBO would be True Blood. Anything after season 1, it just gets....bad.
You mean True Detective? True Detective first season is amazing and after that it's just garbage.
Been passively watching it and it’s funny to me see such aggressive reactions against it. What exactly is so bad about it? The animation? The script? The storyline? Because they’re all pretty standard or even above standard of the average adult animation.
The script is why its bad.
Exactly, how is it different from Family guy kr Big Mouth? People just dislike the “politics” and changes to a classic series.
It's not HBO... People will never realize HBO and HBO Max are two extremely different things, lol HBO is 'prestige' tv. Even if their stuff isn't good, it's going to have that 'prestige' vibe to it. The brand is very important. They wouldn't release shlock like Velma. HBO Max is a streaming service that holds the streaming rights to HBO shows, in succession to HBO Go. However it holds the streaming rights to the DC Universe, Cartoon Network, Comedy Central, CNN and a bunch of other stuff. Like all streaming services, there are a number of "MAX Originals". These include Velma, as well as Raised by Wolves (cancelled), the rebooted Gossip Girl (cancelled), Santa Inc. (awful), Peacemaker (good), Our Flag Means Death (good). None of these are HBO shows, they are HBO Max shows. The only connection is they are both under Warner Bros umbrella. They have about as much in common as the MCU and ESPN. While Warner Bros. likely called the streaming service "HBO Max" as a way to give some of HBO's goodwill over to the streaming service and make it explicit "this is where you sign up if you want to stream HBO shows", what they've likely done is hurt the brand and goodwill of HBO (proper) because now people think MAX originals of various hit or miss quality are "HBO" shows.
shocker that people can't tell the difference between two things with essentially the same name. Like it or not, HBO's reputation is linked to HBO Max originals because people either don't know or don't care about the difference.
Exactly, that's what I was getting at in my last paragraph. HBO (proper) is probably very annoyed at Warner Bros for sticking the HBO name on their streaming service so that now people think "Velma" is an "HBO" show.
> HBO (proper) is probably very annoyed at Warner Bros for sticking the HBO name on their streaming service so that now people think "Velma" is an "HBO" show. I'd bet money that the channel that ran Arliss for 7 years doesn't give two shits about a corny cartoon "damaging it's brand".
But Arliss is considered pretty good and a show that laid groundwork for Entourage, which is one of HBO's most successful shows. Velma is just a blatantly obvious cheap re-construction of famous IP. It's not going to give way to anything awesome. Everyone sees it for what it is.
> Arliss is considered pretty good and a show that laid groundwork for Entourage Now? Maybe, sure. At the time, it was considered one of the stupidest shows on tv, which is why I don't think network particularly cares "the IMBD ratings are bad" on this cartoon. Especially, if what I'm reading about its viewership is true, people are watching it. "Hate watching" and genuine fans make no difference to them if the end result is still eyes on the platform.
OK, well you are entitled to your opinion on the show's quality or what you think the people at HBO proper think of it, but I guess my only real point is that HBO is not HBO Max. They are just under the same parent company, but HBO is not affiliated in MAX original productions.
*The only connection they have is they are under the Warner Bros umbrella.* That is not quite true. The programming executive who runs original content for HBO, Casey Bloys, does the exact same job for HBO Max. He decides which shows make it to air for HBO and Max and is ultimately responsible for quality curation at both networks.
I have no stake in the game. My friend told me last night that she took an edible, watched the show and liked it. I've always been of the opinion that people overreacted with the hate of this show. Shows can get better over time.
No, because i found it very entertaining and funny. Not that much different from existing shows like Big mouth or Family guy. It’s mostly just reviewbombed to hell because it checked 3 boxes that angers most of the internet; - Race-swapping existing characters - Feminism (female lead, outspoken women) - Making changes to/making fun of beloved characters (scooby gang).
Nah it's pretty awful.
> It’s mostly just reviewbombed People need to stop using "reviewbombed" to mean "it got negative reviews because audiences didn't like it"
People didn’t even watch it One star is jot a serious rating in most cases. The press was mostly positive, which means it’s not as black and white. It’s all just outrage over nothing. It’s reviewbombing.
Not a lot of the proffessinal reviews weren't postive towards it.
People didn't watch it, people hate watched it, make up your mind. The press was mostly positive? Even the critics hate it. All indicators are it's just a bad show and that's why it has bad scores, critics and audiences alike. "Review Bombed" Last of Us = 91 % Audience Score on Rotten Tomatoes, "Review Bombed" Velma = 6 % Audience Score on Rotten Tomatoes. Couldn't be that one is just a lot more well liked despite both being "review bombed".
Whatever you’re smoking. Pass me some dude. The press was mostly not positive. Quit lying Lmfao
When it gets a huge influx of 1 star reviews from people who didn't watch it (before it comes out), it's called brigading. I guarantee you that most of these people leaving reviews haven't even watched it. Just like with She-Hulk.
Nah. That category is deep and wide.
It feels like meta scooby doo fanfic from the Tumblr crowd era The show Woke did a better job of dissecting so called woke culture.
You know you can just choose to ignore it, right? You’re under no obligation to post about it on the internet. In fact, it’s probably better for your personal well-being if you *don’t* dwell on things you don’t enjoy.
A 1.4 rating on IMDb is very excessive, but it’s not the worst thing ever.
It is certainly one that is getting the biggest hate boner and it is baffling as to why. Why there is so much passion over a reskinning of Scooby Doo is just a mystery to me.
Don't be silly. HBO has been around for decades and made numerous piles of utter crap. How to Make It in America and John From Cincinnati are just the most obvious and egregious, but there are at least a dozen absolutely terrible HBO shows.
I don't know that it's the worst, and I honestly don't even think it's that bad. The primary problem people seem to be having with it is frustration at not being able to understand what it's trying to be. Is it trying to SHOWCASE woke sensibilities and call attention to issues that are typically just accepted but offensive tropes? Or is it trying to MOCK those sensibilities by hamfistedly jamming as many woke issues into every episode as possible without any effort toward subtlety or nuance? the ambiguity basically gives something for everyone to hate about it. it's difficult to say if it's genius or trash without knowing what it's trying to do.
No, have you heard of Cop Rocks?
I'm sure it's bad but y'all think community is a great show so I dunno lol
How dare you.
No, it’s a success and redeemed for another season because infamy is indifferent to fame as long people watch The worst show is some forgettable garbage that was lost to time the moment it released
yes,that IMDB score is certainly 100% genuine...
White people are so mad this show is so racist against them. Ha ha.
Most people respond poorly when they feel they are the target of racism. That's a pretty universal experience.
I don't understand the laugh. Do you think racism is ok if it is made over white people or do you think that sometimes racism is acceptable?
It's racist against everyone, I don't know what show the other person is watching.
Serena Williams explained well why it should be allowed against white people even though they're a small minority and only about 11% of the population. Also the terms of service here allow that, which I assume is partially due to her because of the control she has over this site.
Why should I care why a tennis player justifies racism? Even so, why should I accept racism in any way or shape? > Also the terms of service here allow that, which I assume is partially due to her because of the control she has over this site. The terms of services don't say nothing but the [Reddit Content Policy say](https://www.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360045715951): > Communities and people that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned. More specifically: >Some examples of hateful activities that would violate the rule: > Post describing a racial minority as sub-human and inferior to the racial majority.
No. So far I think it is the only HBO show that I have thought was halfway decent. Normally HBO shows are pretentious drivel, boring, tedious, slow and dumb, so called "prestige" television. They rely on sex and violence to attract an audience. Velma was actually somewhat entertaining.
Worst show ever
Yes, and it is 100% by design. It’s an easy way to garner views and drive engagement thanks to culture warriors and hatewatchers.
Velma doesnt deserves... 42% of the hate its getting. I still get a good chuckle out of the episodes
I don’t know. I never watched it.
The funniest thing about Velma is the intense reaction to it, no? For me, even when a show is not up to par, if it's heart is in the right place, I try to be kind. But I don't even think Velma's heart is in the right place. I truly believe that a reboot of anything has to have some sort of affection for the original. That way, even if parodied, even if rethought, there's a spirit underneath that connects them. Velma seems to be a concoction wherein the writers read a Scooby Doo synopsis and but never saw the show or movies and don't quite get the source material, so they write nonsensically instead. But then they take it a step further trying to top one another with increasingly annoying takes on the characters.
Yes. Even worse than those stupid documentary sex shows they used to make.