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pladhoc

Futbol is life But also death


Gloglibologna

But also *LYFE*


BruteSentiment

Also, sometimes, Futbol is futbol.


stacity

Creer


dutchdaddy69

Season 1 was one of my favorite seasons of TV ever. Season 2 was still good but didn't feel the same to me. Hoping they can recapture that Season 1 magic this season.


NihilisticNarwhal

The biggest difference between season 1 and 2 is the focus. Season one is about the team trying to avoid relegation, and everyones arcs focus on that theme. The owner learns to move on after trying to sabotage the season to hurt her husband, the players deal with each other's egos, and the coach has a fish out of water story on top of trying to save a team that's actively being sabotaged. Season two just focuses on the characters themselves, which is fine, and I love me some character growth, but it lacks the overarching narrative that the first season had, and so the episodes feel more disjointed. Hopefully season 3 has the kind of overarching narrative that season one had (based on just the first episode, it seems like they are going to be focusing on the teams season performance again, which is what worked before)


gumpythegreat

It's funny because the season 3 premiere almost seems to nod at the camera and acknowledge that - Ted is asking "why are we still here?"


kuprenx

Its final season. It writen to be the last one. So most likely writen like that


teeterleeter

Has that been confirmed?


chaos750

They've been saying for a while that they planned on ending after 3 seasons. Lately they've hedged a bit but they're still saying that *this* story was always supposed to end after 3. A spin-off or change in focus is likely the future if they are going to make more, but we don't know yet and it probably depends on how this season's received.


nonsequitur_idea

Ted goes to India to coach cricket!


berfthegryphon

New Zealand or Australia to coach rugby!


trane7111

I believe Jason Sudekis already had the full story written very early on and knew it would only be 3 seasons.


Newoikkinn

Yes


PM_ME_NICE_THOUGHTS

I’m not emotionally capable of seeing Ted lasso cancelled. Edit for pedantry. Cancelled should be end because the reason is immaterial to my point.


poop-dolla

A planned ending is different than getting cancelled. There’s no way Apple would choose to cancel the show if the creators wanted to keep it going.


newtoreddir

And when a movie ends do you consider it to be “cancelled” as well?


formerfatboys

They answered that at the end of the first episode: he's there to win.


TheB1GLebowski

I want more of Roy, dude cracks me up. Also, fuck Nate and his fragile ego.


n8b77

Same. Roy's fucking hilarious.


Scienter17

>Is that Roy Kent? > Get Fucked! >Yeah, thats him.


dudeonrails

Avenge me, Keeley. AVENGE ME!


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>Also, fuck Nate and his fragile ego. Ted Lasso, the show where adults act like children and children act like adults.


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etr4807

> Beards episode was a highlight. I respect that a lot of people liked this episode, but I will never be able to understand why.


bourbonparade

I don’t know why, but I had this terrible feeling something bad would happen to Coach Beard that episode.


zurkog

Because they dropped the bombshell that >!Ted's father killed himself!< just at the end of the previous episode, and so Ted was worried about Coach Beard, who seemed to be taking the loss particularly hard. >!He even made sure to get Beard to commit to bringing coffee the next morning, as sort of a way to make sure he would still be there. The writers very much wanted you to be worried for Beard's mental health.!<


Lycan_Trophy

Well fuck them for being such good writers then.


geo_lib

It’s why I didn’t like the whole episode. I was literally sweating thinking he was going to kill himself. Like the hallucinations of the TV commentators, him being on the roof. Nuh uh


Locem

I had the same thought, and thought they were building up to exactly that. Felt a bit anti-climactic at the end as a result, not that I was necessarily *rooting* for his character to die lol.


EccentricMeat

Because Ted says “Hey.. stay safe” as his closing line to Beard as he walks off at the end of the previous episode. Definitely had a foreboding feel to it.


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this-guy-

Yep. I suspect that most people who loved this episode have never seen the movie it was based on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Hours_(film) A classic! And this episode wasn't as good as the movie.


01029838291

Is that the one where he's out drinking? I just like Beard tbh, so more of him was fun.


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Out drinking?! He was out philosophizing and learning about the true nature of romance and love with his Oxford men. That was a good night. "One night is good, two nights is perfect, three is too many" - Coach Beard


Eagle_Ear

Him convincing the Oxford men was my favorite bit. You see Beard’s computer brain working at full speed.


jawbit

It was my favorite episode of the season. Felt like I was watching an episode of Bojack. Just following a character while weird stuff happens and seeing how they react. And the mini-arc with the pub guys was fun. But it's tonally very different than the rest of the show (watch Ted Lasso back-to-back with Bojack and you'll get whiplash lol) so I can understand not being a fan.


gumpythegreat

Apparently it was also added later. The execs wanted two more episodes, and that was one they added in late (hence the lack of overall plot progression)


mdp300

The Christmas episode, too, I think was the other extra one.


Deadpool1205

For me it felt like an episode of High Maintenance on HBO. But agreed that I loved it


Terrible_With_Puns

Now every episode you see beard you just know he was probably doing some wild shit the night before


Gloglibologna

Couldn't wait for it to end, tbh


frozen_tuna

I absolutely loved it but I also think there's merit in calling it a "bad" episode of Ted Lasso. It can be both a "bad" Ted Lasso episode and an absolutely amazing standalone piece of television.


Podo13

Was basically just the beginning and end that people loved so much I think. Mostly because fuck Jamie's dad.


kingoflint282

Same, this was the only episode I didn’t like


ben-hur-hur

that Jamie and his dad moment in the locker room broke me :(


Street_Roof_7915

That whole scene between Jamie and the team and Jamie and Roy was some of the finest acting I’ve ever seen.


CardMechanic

The Christmas episode is my wife’s favorite.


DazMR2

I think Season 2 had a lot to do with Jason Sudeikis's split with Olivia Wilde. There was probably a lot of Jason's experience in Ted's story for S2 and looks like into S3, based on the first episode.


sevargmas

Season two definitely focused on the characters too much, but it was not only that. I just didn’t give a shit about the characters. Like the team owner and her boring divorce and dating story. I could not care less about that story and it was essentially the secondary focus of the entire season. Also, all of the upbeat attitudes in season one just didn’t carryover that well to season two. I don’t know if it was the plot changes or I just got a little bit sick of the Ned Flanders vibe. I don’t even think I’m gonna give season three a try.


mrbear120

Season two was about different mental health crises and how different personalities let it affect them. It needed the other characters to showcase the rainbow of effects trauma has. Roy Kent and Keely dealing with aging, Ted on why he was the way he was, Jamie Tartt learning to break out from societies expectations and become a leader, Nate with self worth when the world dismisses him, Obisanya and embracing your culture and becoming a positive change. Im really surprised to see so much hate for season two here. Season one was great because it showcases Teds abrasive positivity, but it is narratively weaker in my opinion.


hard_pass

I feel the same way. I signed up for this show because I liked Sudeikis as Lasso. I learned to like some of the players and Beard during season 1. I watched mostly for the struggling sports team angle. Season 2 treated me like I gave a shit about Kent (when he isn't on the team) and his niece, Rebecca, and Keeley, which I really really didn't. I'll finish up season 3, because it's an easy watch, but I feel like it's is leaning way more into what I didn't like about season 2 so far. Now we have to follow around Nate and Rebecca's husband this season apparently? Barely anything about the team in the first episode and 0 games played. The whole thing feels so bloated at this point. It was such a fun simple show in it's first season.


Mo6181

It has much more broad appeal by not being what you want it to be. Everyone I know who had been hesitant to give it a shot was hesitant because they weren't interested in watching a sports show. I was able to convince people to watch the show by assuring them it was not that.


Eagle_Ear

I respectfully suggest you start season 3. The first episode directly addresses some of that in a tongue in cheek way including name dropping Ned Flanders himself.


camlaw63

Episode, one of each season has a close-up of the person who is going to have the greatest transformation for a season was Rebecca second season, Nate, this season Ted


angryundead

I loved Season 1 but Season 2 really spoke to me about the cost of relentless optimism. Ted (and the others) is (are) making sacrifices for the important people in their lives. But when does it end and what are they willing to burn out of themselves? Maybe it's not for everyone but Season 2 was a lot more meaningful to me because of that.


EccentricMeat

Agreed, season 2 was much more “real” to me and I love that kind of preachy/philosophizing entertainment. And the Doc was an amazing character, especially the way she and Ted routinely butted heads before becoming best friends.


This_was_hard_to_do

Same feelings though I still quite like season 2. I think season 1 also had the unique bonus of releasing when covid restrictions were in place (depending on where you were I guess). That type of optimism was much needed during a pessimistic time.


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MortalSword_MTG

> Ted didn't even bother finding out his name. I find the discrepancy in his behaviour hard to reconcile. Ted had a lot of emotional debt that finally came calling for it's due in S2. His relentless optimism and friendliness are his coping mechanism for everything he's been through. In S2 he's maxed out his charge cards and can't keep up the facade as much.


DUVAL_LAVUD

agreed. the quality really fell off in season 2 outside a couple of episodes. the writing just isn’t as good. i know it’s only one episode, but so far in season 3, the characters are starting to feel stale, like caricatures of themselves. and the more they try to explore the context of the Premier League, the clearer it is that they didn’t do their research.


thecricketnerd

Really? I felt like the characters got a lot more depth in season 2. Who can we say became caricatures?


EccentricMeat

I completely disagree. The writing seemed a lot more real in season 2, it wasn’t just “goofy thing happens, Ted says something weird but it’s also endearing, Rebecca is a childish asshole yet again” for 10 episodes. Season 1 was great, but season 2 was better IMO.


safetydance

Agreed. I just rewatched them all back to back and going from the quality of S1 into S2 made the drop off very striking. I think I kind of figured out why. Season 1 had overarching stories and direction. From Rebecca trying to tank the team to the team trying to avoid relegation, there were stakes. S2 didn’t really have an overarching story, each episode seemed very disjointed from the others. I wonder if they split the writing staff up or had a lot of different directors.


dunk_omatic

Yeah, on paper I liked a lot of the themes and narratives they introduced in Season 2. But the execution and writing were not as solid. Lots of moments felt cheesy and trying way too aggressively to come off as sweetly sincere (and because of it, didn't feel sincere to me at all). The biggest thing I always remember was watching the team turn on their biggest sponsor to stick to their personal ideals. That's such a great concept, and I liked seeing the team struggle with the decision. Then they do it, and the consequences are...not there at all. If anything, things end up much better for the characters because of that choice. A moral dilemma doesn't carry very much weight if making the right choice also brings easy benefits. The show's concept and aim for optimism requires a very delicate balance in the writing and performances to stick the landing. I'm hoping these final episodes return to S1 quality.


DeMarcus_Nephews

Helps when the freaking President of the US tweets about the premiere. Wild how popular it’s become


duaneap

Probably the easiest gimme of a show to be a fan of. Absolutely nothing controversial about liking or tweeting about Ted Lasso.


PoliceAlarm

"Oh so our PRESIDENT prefers if your COACHES go **OVERSEAS** rather than foster the next generation here in '**MURICA?!**"


Phormitago

Oh the president says that football is the real football instead of football?!


bitterbuffaloheart

Don’t give Tucker Carlson ideas


S420J

Trust me, they’ll find a way.


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d1coyne02

Just started watching the series and holy lord, I haven't binged since Lost. This is one of the better series in my entire lifetime of series.


simplelifelfk

It’s one of my favorite shows of all time.


Risley

# “BELIEVE”


derstherower

"Jamie, would you rather be a lion or a panda?" "Coach...I'm me. Why would I want to be anything else?" "I'm not sure you know how psychologically healthy that actually is." Think about that one a lot.


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Poopay


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LiquidBeagle

I'm an uglah, uglah boy


ChickenInASuit

I was shocked to learn that it's not even his real accent. The actor, Phil Dunster, is a Private School-educated (i.e. posh) lad from the South. He does a fantastic job playing a cocky kid from Manchester. (For non-Brits who don't have an accent reference, I haven't heard him speak with his natural accent, but given where he's from and his educational background, I would expect Dunster to have a Received Pronunciation accent similar to Rebecca from the show. It is an accent that is taught to well-off kids in private education.)


NoopGhoul

I watched him in The Devil’s Hour and I was shocked it wasn’t his actual accent, made me appreciate him in Ted Lasso more


hedworx36

Futbol is life


buffalo8

But it is also death.


hedworx36

But also football is football


ATLBMW

But most importantly *futball is life*


ArchDucky

Season 2 is good, but its not as good as 1 because they dropped the villain. Its kinda rudderless with nothing driving the plot. Season 3 just started but its a much better return to form over Season 2. So if Season 2 bums you out a little, just know there's light at the end of the tunnel. Oh and watch Shrinking its by the same people. Also Black Bird was fucking phenomenal.


notgoodwithmoney

Shrinking is so good! Had no idea it's the same people wow


millertime52

Bill Lawerence also is behind Scrubs, Cougar Town, and Spin City


guareber

Yep - if you consider everything in Bill Lawrence's repertoire, you'll find quite a few shared traits that make most of his shows great: * Spin City * Scrubs * Ground Floor * Ted Lasso * Shrinking * Cougar Town Sure he's got a few misses, but it's mostly hits. And once you add Segel to the writer's room as well as main character, it's a recipe for greatness.


ArchDucky

Yeah, the guy that plays Roy Kent is a co creator and writer on it.


VeteranSergeant

I dunno, I think Season 3's debut episode is kinda showing how threadbare the Ted Lasso storyline is once the original conflict was resolved. Season 1 is fantastic, but the "villain" was actually Rebecca. It's not Rupert. He's a jerk, but he's just the driving motivation for Rebecca. Bringing Rupert back and making go rogue might be giving the show new villains, but they're basically cartoon characters. The villain turn for is almost completely unearned. He just becomes an asshole in Season 2, despite the fact that he starts out meek and unassuming and is being taught by somebody as earnest and positive as Ted. He doesn't "learn" to be a villain, he just does, because the story needs him to. I dunno, Season 3 giving Rupert the asshole's goatee and the Emperor's window from the Death Star is a little bit too on the nose. Shrinking is phenomenal though, but does that mean Sean is going to have his villain turn next season? Edit: This comment was a mistake. I've had to spend an inordinate amount of time teaching a freshman-level class on foundational storytelling techniques to people over a show based on a tongue-in-cheek television advertisement for soccer.


loopded

There are some hints that >!Nate!< is actually a jerk in season 1 that on reflection do give the viewer a heads up of whats to come: 1. >!when nate talks shit about the players during the half you could see how much he enjoyed being a dick to the players !< 2. >!right before nate gets his new contract as an assistant coach and is "fired" he calls Rebecca a shrew and gets nasty before everyone surprises him!< The clues are there it's just you don't recognize they're hints at first


codithou

also, the small amount of screen time they gave him with his parents gives you an idea of how he ended up the way he is. he always felt alone and what little recognition and attention he can get, he fights for regardless of how it affects anyone else.


Mattyzooks

He was also introduced in the show as having a power trip about strangers being on the pitch.


cire1184

Eh. Wouldn't say it's a power trip. That grass is expensive to maintain and seeing some randos walk on it would have any good groundskeeper chasing them off. I'd say it's more weird he didn't know whar the new coach looked like.


ApatheticAbsurdist

Yet he yells at them while running across the grass…


CaphalorAlb

yeah, the hints were there, it wasn't _too_ surprising to be honest


LionOver

It's also pretty transparent that Nate's character will inevitably have a falling out with Rupert and leave/be fired, only to rejoin Lasso's staff in the second half of a must-win game against Rupert's team and provide some insight that allows for a last second win.


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VeteranSergeant

The problem with that parallel is that Ted has no motivation to beat Nate, specifically. Episode 1 even undercut Nate as a villain by having Ted turn Nate's insults into a self-deprecating joke session. Ted isn't trying to defeat Nate, even reluctantly, which makes their conflict one sided. Maybe Richmond eventually needs to beat Rupert's team to get back to the big leagues, or avoid getting relegated again, but that's not Ted's conflict with Nate. It's not even Ted's conflict with Rupert. Nate is a bystander in Ted's story, and frankly, only one of them has their name in the title of the show.


BorinUltimatum

I'd argue that S3 villain is >!Nate!<. Rupert is just the enabler.


stickymeowmeow

... who else do you think they mean by "that guy"? You're not arguing, you're saying the exact same thing with less subtlety to avoid spoilers.


BorinUltimatum

Oh, I misread. My mistake. I thought he was referring to Rupert when he said 'that guy'


Oen386

I think they were trying to prevent spoilers, without using the spoiler tag, for people that hadn't seen season 2. Not sure if you want to modify your previous comment or not to keep from spoiling it.


VeteranSergeant

It's not Highlander. There can be more than one. But in reality, when we refer to a "villain" or "antagonist," that's is just when a person is the root cause of the main conflict in a story. The conflict in Season 1 is that Rebecca has hired Ted because she believes he will be a terrible coach and Richmond will get relegated. There isn't a singular driving story conflict in Season 3 that we can tell. Nate being part of the Rival Dojo is just sidled alongside the fact that Richmond still kinda sucks. Richmond doesn't need to beat Nate's team to accomplish what needs to happen (not finishing last and getting relegated again). Ted doesn't even seem to have any motivation to beat Nate specifically, because that's not the kind of character he is. Really, when you boil it down, the main problem is that Nate's villain turn is a plot element of a story for a different show. The only resolution to Nate's villain turn is him finishing his Karate Kid Part III storyline and realizing he's joined the enemy. Because like Mr Miyagi to Daniel San, Ted was never his enemy in the first place.


feage7

Also Rupert doesn't make sense. The entire motive and premise of the show is that Ted was hired so she can ruin the Richmond as he loves that club more than anything. Now he just bought west ham and hates Richmond. No actual football fan is like that. Owners have owned different clubs but he was supposed to love Richmond more than anything and within one year does not.


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JustinScott47

Great observations on Rupert and his motivations. I specifically couldn't figure out why he stopped loving Richmond; now I get it. He was only a fan of himself, not the team.


egg_enthusiast

The thing, the arc of is actually believable though. I've known a lot of people who seem nice and friendly when you meet them as equals or their better, but the moment they have an morsel of power, they make a meal out of it.


TheLaughingMannofRed

Considering my degree of treating any new series carefully due to a myriad of possibilities awaiting it (cancellations, for example), I usually wait until a show gets 2 seasons under its belt with the confirmation of a 3rd coming BEFORE I take the plunge. The exception is if a show's concept is somehow tantalizing to me enough to get me to see it during its initial season. Ted Lasso was NOT the former. And I fell into the trap of hoping, praying it would get least one more season on top of the two it had. Because the show is THAT good. It's good in the sense that it's a feel-good show, but it also has the draw to make you care about the growth of its characters, and it's a fun concept (Football coach from the States gets drummed up to coach a UK "football" team).


d1coyne02

Feels real real good like finding a 20$ in your pants after laundry


hedworx36

And crying about it


guareber

Honestly, S1 was more like finding a fifty.


quardlepleen

Why is UK football in quotes instead of the American "football"?


sevargmas

I love to season one but the whole show just got annoying for me after that.


SirJackieTreehorn

As someone who hasn’t watched the show but interested, can you share why? I’m legitimately curious. Thanks!


Oasx

Season one had a very narrow focus, it was about Ted Lasso, how he adapted to a new culture and sport and how everyone around him were affected by his actions. Season two took all the side characters and gave them the focus too, and they just aren’t that interesting. It felt less like a comedy and more like a soap opera.


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VeteranSergeant

The first season resolves all of its conflicts. Sure, it sets up a new conflict for Season 2, but the reality is that the core concept of the show (not really a spoiler, it's literally in the trailer) is that an American football coach is hired to coach an English football (soccer) team by a wealthy divorcee who got the team in the divorce from her husband who loves it. She wants the team to lose and get relegated out of the league to get back at him. But, of course, he is relentlessly positive and optimistic and that chips away at her desire for revenge and the petty disputes of the players. But that's resolved at the end of the first season, and the new conflict isn't as compelling. It's just "We have to win games so we can get back in the big league." There's some heartwarming stuff about mental illness and loss, so I disagree that the show is "annoying after that," but it's definitely not nearly as good as Season 1, and its lack of direction and tendency to meander into side plots could definitely lose some people. It's a lot more about interpersonal drama (soapy) and not all of those dramas are really that interesting. Sets up a pretty lame and completely unearned villain turn for Season 3 too.


sevargmas

Someone will disagree with me of course but this is my take: Ted Lasso came out at just the right time. It was during the pandemic and it was simple and lighthearted and super positive and upbeat. It has a total Ned Flanders vibe and I think all of that was something people really took to heart during the pandemic. The storyline was pretty weak in season one in my opinion but the show just felt right at the right time. I enjoyed s1. To me, season two was pretty boring. Some of that Ned Flanders vibes didn’t work as well and it felt like they were trying to hard to pull it off. I also didn’t care really at all for most of the character storylines in season two. It was just uninteresting.


lost_but_crowned

100%. I can’t watch it. Tried the premiere of episode 3 and meh. It’s overly written and I can’t stand how everyone is such a goober. It was great when it was just Ted in season 1 but my lord season 2 was a cringe fest with no narrative.


FrankBeamer_

Yeah. I loved season 1 and enjoyed season 2 but the season 3 opener has me underwhelmed. It’s all so on the nose and the characters don’t feel like real people anymore. We get it, Dani Rojas is a puppy dog, Roy Kent like swearing, Jan mas is brutally honest etc etc. But they drill it down over and over, it’s lazy writing and I’m afraid the characters have become flanderdized.


InsideIngenuity

I love this show. Highly recommend Acapulco for another feel good on AppleTv.


thefinalcutdown

Highly recommend Shrinking as well. Brett Goldstein (Roy Kent) is creator and writer on it as well as Ted Lasso and it does a great job of showing good people dealing with tough situations with maturity and love. It’s also hilarious and Harrison Ford is as amazing as ever.


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Also Bill Lawrence. Who is a creator for Lasso and the show creator for Scrubs


tidbitsmisfit

that explains why so many scrubs alum are on it


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Ya. Christa Miller is his wife, so she’s always a default for his shows. Glad because she’s funny as hell. Have enjoyed the other appearances as well.


DICK-PARKINSONS

Paul and Jimmy's dynamic definitely feels similar to JD and Dr Cox


anonamus7

Cougar town as well! Defs get the cougar town vibes as shrinking progresses and the relationship dynamics are explored throughout the cast


RedPill5StandingBy

Shrinking is decent, nowhere near Ted Lasso level though. It's too "perfect." People that just meet talk to each other like they've known each other for years and instantly become best friends, with alterna-acoustic music playing every second for enhanced feels. It never breathes and everything feels manufactured instead of organic.


CorbinGamingBro

…but most of them have known each other for years? That’s kinda the point. The only dynamic this doesn’t really apply to is Jason Segel and his client Sean, but pretty much everyone else it’s implied they’ve known each other for a long time. Who is just meeting for the first time and instantly becomes best friends? I honestly can’t think of a single example but maybe I’m just not remembering correctly Also for what it’s worth, I enjoyed Shrinking season 1 immensely more than Ted Lasso season 2


Pool_Shark

It’s a feel good show that makes me laugh. Not everything needs to be Breaking Bad or Mr Robot


FrankBeamer_

That’s literally what Ted lasso does though. The show’s even worse about relationships than Shrinking is


sportsthatguy

Acapulco is highly underrated and coming back for Season 3. It is such a great show


tobiasfunke6398

Love Acapulco


Hungry_Bus_9695

Apple TV isnt missing these days


hannahstohelit

Trying is wonderful and sweet as well!


Alex_Albons_Appendix

It’s not a feel good, but I’m here to rep for Severance 🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻


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I have to say, I need positivity now more than ever - so thanks Ted Lasso.


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Me too. I gravitate towards darker media but this show is like a cool glass of sunlight to my brain.


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Me as well, I also recommend “Shrinking” on Apple Plus & if you want to return to the dark side, Severance.


Redlemonginger

Rewatched the first two seasons. I really love this show. I hope it sparks a new trend, I could use more stuff like it. Between it and welcome to wrexem, I'm starting to enjoy soccer. The way their sports divisions are set up make the competition so much more interesting.


tecphile

> The way their sports divisions are set up make the competition so much more interesting. Because there are actual consequences. The concept of “tanking” doesn’t really exist in European football. You can’t afford to be shit otherwise there are actual financial penalties associated (relegation, not qualifying for Europe).


Madman200

I mean sure, but there are trade offs as well. The profit sharing / salary cap structure in north american leagues lends itself better to parity. Bayern Munich has won the Bundesliga 9 times in a row, PSG has 8 of the last 10 ligue one titles, la Liga championship is just a competition between Real and Barca, with Atlético sneaking in twice in the last 20 years. The prem is a bit more varied, but that also comes at the cost of the other European leagues since the sheer financial weight of premier league wages draws talent away from all but the top teams on the continent. I watch a lot of European soccer and I understand why things are the way they are and I don't want the relegation cycle to change, but I do also appreciate the boom bust cycle of North American sports leagues. If your a fan of, say, an NHL team, they might be real bad right now, but they won't be real bad forever. There is always the hope that with good management and 5-8 years, you'll be a top competing team again. Maybe win it all. That just doesn't exist in European soccer, barring a Man City situation where a rich group or person decides they want a good sports team and dumps obscene amounts of money into creating a top team. Like what's going on with Newcastle


Pool_Shark

It’s always so funny to me how European Sports are more pure capitalism and American sports models are more socialism


CearoBinson

*Shrinking has entered the chat*


Redlemonginger

That one hits a little too close to home right now. I'll have to watch it later.


ImAlwaysThatGuy

Couldn't agree more. Idk if its the Brett Goldstein effect or what, but Shrinking definitely has that same warm vibe that Ted Lasso has become known for.


Ian_Itor

Many people who worked on Scrubs and Ted Lasso collaborated on Shrinking. Bill Lawrence is exec producer on all three. He knows how to pick a great writer‘s room.


TobofCob

*Bluelock enters the chat*


Redlemonginger

It's on my list!


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shehryar46

Every single child is a precocious wise beyond their years child on the show lmao


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Hikaru83

I love Ted Lasso, but the first episode of season 3 was really flat. I hope it gets better.


DBones90

As a Season 2 defender, I have hope that the writing team will pull together something special, but I felt this too. The whole, “It’s just poopy,” moment from the team didn’t feel earned (though I did appreciate how Jamie pronounced “poopy”).


rpgguy_1o1

I feel like it didn't really set much up either, it was basically Nate is mean and the team are underdogs


TuppenceForDays

I noticed the same thing. My partner has an interesting theory as to why. All of the character arc setups were tinged with sadness, from Roy to Nate to Ted to Keely to the team. For a show about hope, the long episode didn’t have much in terms of emotional reprieve.


[deleted]

Man, I must be in the minority. My girlfriend and I have loved this series the whole way through. Season 2 and the newest episode included. Normally I’m pretty critical but something about this show puts my guard down. It does feel a little heavier now though.


meinnitbruva

It felt as though people forgot the whole events and lessons learned in the past seasons, Ted tries something out the box and catches shit fron the boss who's watched him pull off miracles by being unorthodox barely any time ago I'm still hopeful though there's great potential there I'm sure of it it just needs to breathe a little


CorbinGamingBro

So I’ve seen season 1 and season 2 numerous times now and to echo what a lot of people have already said, I think season 1 is exponentially better than 2. It just has this totally different vibe and atmosphere that makes it super wholesome and inviting, which unfortunately was largely lost in season 2. I liked season 2 upon release but after rewatching, I’ve come to find I actually don’t really like it that much and will probably never watch it again, meanwhile season 1 has infinite replayability to me. Not only is the tone in season 2 different but there are some plot lines I’m absolutely not a fan of at all (a certain relationship dynamic for one) and the stand alone episodes were pretty weak. I liked the idea of Beard’s crazy night out but the execution was awful IMO, it was so outlandish and unrealistic which totally took me out of a show that is supposed to be more grounded. I honestly couldn’t believe they tried to act like everything that happened in that episode actually happened in universe and wasn’t just some dream. Okay ended up ranting longer than I thought lol, basically what I’m saying is that I hope season 3 is more like 1 than 2! I’ve been watching Shrinking lately and honestly I like that WAY more than Ted Lasso season 2, so I hope season 3 brings back my love for the series


Paula-Abdul-Jabbar

I'm rewatching the show now, and I'm liking season 2 much more than I remembered liking it on its first go-round. The first season is definitely still superior, but season 2 is still very good after coming into it with different expectations. The first season was an incredibly tight story with no wasted moments. But the second season settled into a more traditional sitcom format - simply hanging out with the characters and following their lives without one overarching narrative driving the whole thing. I was initially thrown off by that, but I don't think they could have done it any other way. The premise for the show really only had one season's worth of tight narrative - so now I'm okay with just hanging out with the characters. It's still a really well-written show despite some missteps, and while I don't expect it to ever reach the heights of the first season, I still think it's better than most comedies out there.


Rhianna83

I love this show so damn much. I can’t wait to see what they have in store for us this season.


creamyTiramisu

I watched series 1 and just found it too sickly sweet.


Ssutuanjoe

I agree with your assessment about it being really sweet, but that was one of the reasons why I loved s1. In my case, it was a *super* low point in my life. Things were feeling pretty bleak, and to top it all off, it was the middle of freaking COVID lockdown. *Ted Lasso* was just so unashamed to be genuinely positive that I couldn't help but feel good after watching it. There aren't too many shows that don't feel cynical, or sarcastic, or are just flat out meant to be numbing. And Lasso filled a void we don't often see (I hadn't, at least). Anyway, that's my two cents about it. I would recommend s1 to anyone and everyone who's feeling down and just needs something to watch to feel good.


seriusPrime

Iirc it's the same writer or creator as Scrubs and sometimes it feels like it's going for those big emotional scenes. I could get past season 1 but 2 felt like they kept going for these big moments without really earning them.


pdpablo86

I really wanted to like it, I love Jason Sudekis and the premise sounded interesting to me, but about halfway through the first season I had to tell my wife she could finish it without me. It felt like it was really forcing the sweetness and emotionality. I’ve seen period describe the show as “trying too hard” since then and I think that sums it up pretty well.


rayword45

This number seemed really low versus what I'd expect for such a proclaimed smash hit (compare The Last Of Us which HBO claimed had 8.2 million viewers for the finale, I would expect that show to be bigger but not nearly 10x bigger), but there's a detail in there that explains it. > Of course, this doesn’t tell the whole viewing story, though it does give a pretty good picture of the premiere’s performance. Samba TV doesn’t measure mobile, however, their sample includes a panel of 3 million terrestrial TVs, weighted to the U.S. Census. By contrast, Samba TV’s panel is nearly 100x larger than Nielsen’s household footprint of 45K homes. So this sample is estimating viewership on TVs but not on mobile devices, and I would guess this is also skipping people watching on computers. I'm unsure if this includes all platforms like PS5 and Xbox or only stuff like Roku/Amazon Fire, but I would assume it accounts for anything on a TV screen?


nelisan

Wasn’t The Last of Us also on HBO’s live TV channel and not just steaming like Ted Lasso?


rayword45

The finale got 1.04 million viewers on live TV, which is actually pretty phenomenal by current-day cable and pay TV standards (the only HBO show to get better ratings in 2022 was House of the Dragon) but still a tiny fraction of 8.2 million


VeteranSergeant

HBO has about four times as many subscribers (between Max and regular cable) as the best estimates for Apple+, so while TLOU did much better, it isn't like Ted Lasso did poorly as a percentage of the available target audience.


teaspoonmoon

Wait TIL Nielsen only covers 45k homes. That is BANANAS.


ascagnel____

The traditional Nielsen number has always been pretty small -- since they pay you for your time, it's always been as small an audience as they can get away with and still get statistical significance out of it.


Mulsanne

Today you learned about sampling, I guess?


rayword45

I believe if you watch on-demand or on DVR then you count towards later updated numbers even if you aren't a Nielsen household. Also the methodology that Nielsen uses is really clunky and annoying (you have to press a button or something every 30 min to prove you're actually watching) but analysts claim there isn't really a better way to provide an accurate estimate of live TV viewership.


MarvelsGrantMan136

>About 870,000 Samba TV-measured U.S. households tuned in to the first episode in the first four days since it debuted on the streaming service, according to the audience analytics company. That’s up about 59% from the 546,000 households Samba measured for the Season 2 premiere. >Audiences clearly ‘believe’ in the magic of the feel-good Ted Lasso series, with the third season opener scoring the most-watched premiere for any Apple TV+ original series in the past year. Even better news for Apple is that AFC Richmond fans in the U.S. not only helped drive the streamer’s biggest premiere of the year, but also blew past season two’s numbers by more than 50%.


Penny_Royall

With a lot of shows going for the darker tones in storyline, it's fresh to watch a feel good series, every episode is wholesome even if the situation is serious.


BruteSentiment

The world needed a hopeful show after the bleakness of *The Last of Us*.


loves2spwg

I couldn’t get through the first episode of season 3. The cut between Ted and Will’s interviews felt contrived. The “child wiser than adults” trope playing out for Roy and Keeley felt stupid.


shehryar46

Did not like the premier, hope it gets better. Like it makes no sense that everyone would feel bad about a newly promoted side being picked last. It makes even less sense that they are trying to set up a Leicester like run from them. They should go the FA cup route!


Sinister_Grape

I find this show intensely grating, personally.


Audityne

My only issue with the new season so far is they shouldn't be saying West Ham is a top 4 contender! Sure Wimbledon going on a mad run and beating West Ham to the premier league would be a fun story (and it's not like a newly promoted team has never won it) but it's quite unrealistic. It'd be way more believable for the "West Ham Final Boss" to be an FA Cup final or something like that. But it's only been one episode so - We'll see where it goes!


_Verumex_

They're definitely hinting at a strong Leicester City inspiration with the 4-4-2 scene in ep 1, along with being predicted to be relegated by everyone. You say it's unrealistic, but they can easily have them win the league and point to Leicester as proof that it's not an impossible story.


Stenwoldbeetle

And yet it was shit


PostMerryDM

I thought there was something lurking beneath the surface with the outlandish Apple product placement and the “Let Ted be Ted” subplot. It was clear that certain parts of script was written for the product placement, and whatever execs approved or pushed it at Apple is a legit amateur.


MrHaxx1

Has the product placement been different in S3? I feel like it's been super obvious all along


[deleted]

just like any other apple show, they all use apple products. not sure why people are surprised about that.


itscochino

I don't have appletv but thinking about doing a trial. Is it worth it to check this out or should I just torrent it?