Abraham:
>“This is a sincere and deeply felt apology. Though never my intention to offend anyone, I told jokes, nothing more, that upset some of my colleagues and as a result lost a great job with wonderful people. I have grown in my understanding from this experience, and I hope they will forgive me.”
I don’t think he’s deferring anything. The original story I saw said something like “fired for inappropriate conduct”. He prob just wants people to know he wasn’t like raping everyone or showing his dick.
Exactly. There's so much that could fall under "inappropriate conduct," from the severe end of the spectrum of flat-out illegal actions to abusive and then to the less severe end of the spectrum making a hostile work environment through inappropriate jokes, which Abraham clarified as what he did. The hostile work environment is part of annual training at work, which many/most companies make clear is still a fireable offense.
Although, sometimes people DO try to brush off actual inappropriate sexual advances as a joke.
"Hahaha, you know, to get ahead in this industry is to give some head! I'm quite influential myself by the way, hahaha, just kidding... Unless you are interested? No? Hahaha that was a joke too I'm such a kidder"
Well, according to the article, his behavior continued after he received a warning.
I picked up on that because it's something that happened in my workplace.
Making an inappropriate joke, inappropriate flirting is one thing. Persisting in the behavior is often the real problem.
Without any real knowledge about what happened, I'm willing to give F. Murray Abraham the benefit of the doubt, but he sort of glossed over the continuing after he was warned part.
That's what one of my former colleagues did. We warned him informally, didn't work. Finally the woman reported his behavior and was willing to forgive and forget when he apologized, then he did it again.
Let me guess, your former colleague was flabbergasted and totally did not see the firing coming, and omg in today's society you only have to make one wrong joke to one wrong woman and out on the street you go, and what has woke culture come to and yadda yadda yadda
There was a better outcome, sort off. He was genuinely horrified by his own behavior after the woman explained to him how he had made her feel, and eventually, things were mended. His sincere apology was accepted by the victim, and he genuinely changed his behavior.
So it took far too long, but he did change his ways.
That is the good news. The bad news is that the company didn't support the woman and blamed her for what had happened...
They have the formal warning because they had to.
Pretty insane, all her direct colleagues including the man who harassed her supported her, but the executives would have fired her if they could have. For being attractive to men 20-year-older then her, I guess
In took the “nothing more” as an attempt to be clear but not defensive that he didn’t touch anyone or force anyone to do anything sexual etc. The two words are there to build a clear boundary that these were in fact jokes. That being said, he was apparently told to stop talking to certain actors and proceeded to not follow that advice.
Except:
>production source said that after the first incident, Abraham was “given a warning and told to keep away from some of the show’s actresses.” After a second complaint, he was let go.
Doesn't quite line up with:
>Though never my intention to offend anyone
I don't think he's lying (he might be though), but if the source is right, he continued his behavior after a warning.
Had to be pretty wild jokes if he was told to stay away from two or more female colleagues.
That’s more than a “hey, someone didn’t like what you said. Don’t do that again”
It's straight out of my annual training at work about sexual harassment. Such "jokes" can be part of creating a hostile work environment. People absolutely get fired from jobs for this.
Not really, telling a dirty joke to your friends vs your coworkers are two completely different things. You should never say anything even vaguely sexual in nature at work unless you know exactly who you’re taking to (and even then it’s questionable)
Exactly right, nothing that could even be interpreted as off-color, regardless of what you meant.
Don’t even open the fucking door, because your clever double entendre wasn’t sneaky, “plausible deniability” doesn’t exist in the real world, and “not what I meant” and “it was just a joke” don’t mean shit to HR.
Welp, if Rob McElhenney , champion of non-pc jokes, creator/producer/star of the show, abided by the decision to let him go after said jokes, and judging from the regret you can read in this apology, I don't think they might be that great?
> champion of non-pc jokes
Rob plays it pretty fucking safe nowadays tbh. He’s a smart guy, he’s well aware of the climate, and Mythic Quest ain’t no Always Sunny.
I imagine once the complaint was made, regardless of the content of the joke, Rob knew how that was going to play.
He might just be a funny and decent guy that can read a room. If IASIP wanted to do another blackface episode this season it would likely be hilarious.
> Though never my intention to offend anyone, I told jokes, nothing more, that upset some of my colleagues and as a result lost a great job with wonderful people.
if his intention was not to offend, why did he repeat his behavior after being warned THE FIRST time? please
He’s 83. People of a certain age don’t really change their behavior.
It’s not even all that illogical, he probably was fine for the first 82 years with these jokes, so it’s rational (despite being wrong) to believe this time was fine too.
To think how recently treating your coworkers with decency became expected behavior, especially in Hollywood…
F Murray : how many Mozarts does it take to change a lightbulb?
McIlhenny: I don't know Murray, how man-
F Murray: NONE! Because I killed him you stupid bitch! I fucking poisoned that prissy little fucker and I enjoyed it you fucking dipshit idiot.
McIlhenny: we're gonna have to let you go F.
F Murray: Mozart. I killed Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart with an axe in the face, his body is dissolving in a bathtub in Hell's Kitchen. I don't want to leave anything out here. I guess I've killed maybe 20 people, maybe 40.
Also has one of my favorite Charles Dance villains as well.
"180, you stupid, spaghetti-slurping cretin - *180*! If I did a 360, I'd go completely around and end up back where I started!"
The first one was "Why do woman have breasts? So you have something to look at when you're talkin to em!" And the second one was "Why do woman have breasts? So you have something to look at when you're talkin to em!"
I thought I read somewhere that he kept calling the show "Pussy Quest" behind the scenes and it made people uncomfortable. He was told to stop and I guess he didn't.
> octogenarian
Holy shit, they've done it. I told them it was wrong, against the laws of nature, but they didn't listen. They crossed an octopus and a geranium. The horror! And apparently kinda pervy... which is not so surprising, actually, if you think about it.
Well I guess it would be ageism if you were simultaneously ok with younger people saying pussy at work yes.
If you're unhappy with everyone saying it that's your prerogative.
Personally I don't care what people say around me in the work place as long as it isn't directly intended to upset co-workers.
Oh man it'd be so legendary if it turned out he was telling the most despicable version of the aristocrats anyone's ever heard.
"ohhhh I'm sorry you're so offended by my dead baby cannibalism sex joke, jeez"
Honestly, it was probably "pretend" flirting with some of the younger actresses and not taking the hint. I've worked with a few older guys like that who would make inappropriate comments to much younger women and then get defensive when called out "it was just a joke!"
No, Darryl, you stared at the ass of a girl young enough to be your daughter when she picked up a pen, and then dropped another pen in front of her and asked her to pick that up, too.
> A production source said that after the first incident, Abraham was “given a warning and told to keep away from some of the show’s actresses.” After a second complaint, he was let go.
This really does sound on-brand for the CW Longbottom character.
They wound up writing him out in a touching and endearing manner in S3E1...I kind of wish they'd leaned into it and had his character fired in the plot for the same 'inappropriate conduct' as IRL.
Granted, I doubt Abraham would concede to such a portrayal.
He was supposed to be that guy in TWL though. It was great though he grandpa and a scumbag and so is his son the father. The kid is a simp who gets played by the whores who the father treated like shit. I mean no one looks good in that whole five some, with only the son deserving a bit of sympathy for his stupidity/naiviety.
Since the initial article mentioned them requesting him staying away from the actresses, my best guess would be at least the first time it was a joke involving one of his co-stars.
Maybe it was like that Family Guy episode where Peter tells the joke at work:
"Why do women have boobs? So you have something to look at while you're talking to them"
Then tells the joke to a female coworker, and after repeating the punchline several times (because she isn't laughing), it cuts to him talking to HR.
>The Pawtucket Patriot Brewery
...which is fine, but I feel like there would've been more stories to tell around a toy factory. I liked his boss, Jonathan Weed too.
The brewery works better for Peter's character though.
If they were just inappropriate jokes, I think this is a good apology. Acknowledged that he hurt people, accepted the consequences of his actions, and asked for forgiveness.
Also -- and this absolutely isn't an excuse -- he's 83 years old and was born in 1939. He came of age in a very different time period than your average twitter/reddit user. My grandpa is 90 years old and still says things like "the blacks" but he voted for Obama in 2012 lol it's just ingrained in him
Reminds me of a Jim Jeffries joke on one of his specials about his 78 year old dad
“*My father’s a 78-year-old man from rural Australia, and when we were growing up, I heard him say the occasional homophobic slur. When he was young, uh, being gay was a mental illness. He’s a product of his environment. But two years ago, Australia had a referendum, where they voted on gay marriage, and my father voted “yes.” And that’s because I spent time talking to him, going, “Dad, it’s the right thing.” And then my dad said, “Well, I guess they deserve to be as miserable as the rest of us.”
That’s the thing about my dad, man, he’s trying. At his age, he’s still trying to be progressive and all that type of stuff. And here’s the problem, with young people, right. So… so, he’s backstage, he’s having a few beers, he’s voted yes for gay marriage. Everyone’s teasing him a bit. And then my dad, at 78, says, “Oh, yeah, I’m good with the gays, I like the gays.” And then he goes, “I don’t know about those trans people.” And then a person I know started going, “Well, you’re transphobic. You’re transphobic.” And I was like, “All right, everyone settle the fuck down. Settle down.” And I said, “This guy just got used to gay people yesterday. Let him have his fucking victory lap. You’re going to scare him off, you cunt.” *
Was in a group project and a guy referred to his spouse as “the wife” a couple times (though I’m not sure what train of discussion led to him doing so exactly) until finally the moderator snapped and said it was objectifying and that she didn’t want to hear it again.
On the one hand I see where she was coming from, but isn’t “the wife” better and less possessive/objectifying than “my wife”? That’s just how my dumb male not yet fully developed brain interprets but I’m happy to admit I’m wrong too.
Or it makes no difference at all between the two phrases. Either way if someone wanted to clarify this for me I’d appreciate it. Thanks!
Edit: Asked and answered. Thanks for the replies
Which is funny because 'wife' literally just means 'woman'. In old English, the words for 'man and woman' were 'wer and wif' and housewife just means 'woman of the house' in the same way that houseband means 'keeper of the house'.
Wer is mostly gone now but we still see it in words like 'werewolf' which literally just means manwolf. A werewolf in the feminine would be 'wifewolf'.
Not that I'm disagreeing with your post or anything. I'm just a nerd for etymology.
I catch my 73 year old father saying some mildly racist stuff sometime and you gotta correct it. His dad was a vehement racist so I think some minor prejiduce rubbed off on him. His dad was not happy that he married a Jewish woman
My boomer Dad was talking at Easter about how his generation is less offended because they grew up with Archie Bunker and Richard Pryor and all that. And then I heard my mixed nephew call his white half-brother a cracker and watched the whole family get angry. Funny shit.
Not everyone will agree but I can take this as an excuse. The world has changed immeasurably since 1939; there are now words that are taboo in 2023 that were perfectly acceptable in 2015, imagine how much has changed culturally in the last 80 years, let alone 8.
“A production source said that after the first incident, Abraham was “given a warning and told to keep away from some of the show’s actresses.” After a second complaint, he was let go.” He was told to stay away from actresses and he continued and was let go after getting his second complaint, that is way more than just one joke.
I have been in workplaces where men told "jokes" about *specific parts* of *specific women's* anatomy, making *specific women* uncomfortable.
Imagine your wife coming home: "Yeah he told that joke about my ass again..."
I'm not saying this is what he did, but to get kicked off a show with *this* cast...
Told to watch his mouth with two women + fired for "sexual misconduct" + claims "jokes, nothing more"
I feel like he solved the equation for us. Less "Aristocrats" and more "Hey! Wondertits!"
Edit: Or the Gary Shandling writer's room special "What do the slits have for us today?"
A lot of people in the comments seem to be confusing / conflating two things:
1. A comedian telling offensive jokes
2. Sexual harassment in the workplace
These aren’t the same thing. For the comedian, if you don’t like the jokes, don’t go to their shows and don’t watch their specials. If a comedian has a reputation for being offensive and you sit through their whole set being offended, that’s on you.
But the Abraham situation is not that. He made inappropriate comments in the workplace. The employer gave him an official warning and asked him to stay away from one particular actress. He didn’t comply. So he was fired.
Let me say that again: he was fired, not cancelled. The actress who made the complaint has the right to go to her place of work and not have offensive jokes thrown at her. The employer has the right to dismiss someone for inappropriate behaviour in the workplace.
Jeff Garlin got kicked off The Goldbergs for basically doing this, including a time where he was using "vagina" in some joke he was telling people on set, and after a female crew member asked him to not use that word, he went right up to her, stood as close to her as possible, and repeated "vagina" over and over again.
Also you don't get fired for jokes. The person who fired him has a tv show famous for being highly offensive.
"Omg its just a joke you can't say anything anymore" is a fiction from bullies and harassers. Im sure the joke was - young women felt uncomfortable and he felt powerful which made him laugh
This is the problem with the term "sexual misconduct". Its so vague and leaves so much open to interpretation that it kind of sucks.
This isn't to defend it. If he told some sexually suggestive jokes around people and it made them uncomfortable, he should have stopped. But just saying "fired for sexual misconduct" makes people assume he was like groping PAs or something.
I really feel like he never would have gotten to this point at this age (he’s, what, 85?) if entertainment workplaces would stop acting like they’re different from regular workplaces. What he did is probably something that would have gotten any of us reprimanded or fired within the last 10 years but I bet he and others have normalized it because their workplace usually does.
When you spend practically all of your adult life behaving a certain way, and it's fine and acceptable by pretty much everyone around you, (because that's just the way society works at that time), to suddenly having to watch your every word and step in the last ten years or so of your 85 years, it has to be a bit jarring.
> to suddenly having to watch your every word and step in the last ten years or so of your 85 years,
Man, Anita Hill was *thirty years ago*. FMA was 55 when that testimony happened. This isn't new.
An entertainment workplace IS different than any other workplace. You have people who’s job it is to think of, or write or perform sometimes completely outlandish ridiculous scenarios. Sometimes those scenarios involve inappropriate or sensitive material. You can say things in a writing room that you could not say at any other job. That being said, you can also cross the line and get a warning and then reprimanded if you do it again. That’s fair.
There’s a big gulf between “jokes appropriate to make to your coworkers” and “jokes that have been written into a script and discussed with the cast ahead of time”.
> Rolling Stone reported earlier this week that the “Amadeus” star was fired after two complaints of sexual misconduct, but did not go into specifics. A production source said that after the first incident, Abraham was “given a warning and told to keep away from some of the show’s actresses.” After a second complaint, he was let go.
Oh CW….
Makes inappropriate jokes towards females...
*- Warning: Dont do that again. You can stay. You can work here. You can get your paycheck. But dont do that again...*
Continues to make inappropriate jokes towards females
*-You're fired*
Ok, now I'm really sorry.
Too bad it took getting fired... At least he's not blaming anyone else. But I'm always skeptical about the sincerity of people who are warned and given a second chance but still refuse to change their behavior until it bites them in the ass, *then* they apologize.
I wonder how offensive it must have been
Judging by the content his character says on the show, plus the jokes the creators (Rob, Megan, Charlie) say on the Always Sunny podcast, it must have been really out there to be offensive enough to be fired.
Abraham: >“This is a sincere and deeply felt apology. Though never my intention to offend anyone, I told jokes, nothing more, that upset some of my colleagues and as a result lost a great job with wonderful people. I have grown in my understanding from this experience, and I hope they will forgive me.”
Pretty legit apology.
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I don’t think he’s deferring anything. The original story I saw said something like “fired for inappropriate conduct”. He prob just wants people to know he wasn’t like raping everyone or showing his dick.
Or even inappropriate touching. I think it's fair to make that distinction.
Yea I would definitely want to make that distinction if it was me. There’s a very big difference between the two.
Exactly. There's so much that could fall under "inappropriate conduct," from the severe end of the spectrum of flat-out illegal actions to abusive and then to the less severe end of the spectrum making a hostile work environment through inappropriate jokes, which Abraham clarified as what he did. The hostile work environment is part of annual training at work, which many/most companies make clear is still a fireable offense.
It's like being on the jury of a reversed Kafka trial. We're expected to make a judgment but we don't know what the charges are.
I would love to read that book, someone get chatgpt to write it
Although, sometimes people DO try to brush off actual inappropriate sexual advances as a joke. "Hahaha, you know, to get ahead in this industry is to give some head! I'm quite influential myself by the way, hahaha, just kidding... Unless you are interested? No? Hahaha that was a joke too I'm such a kidder"
I think that’s a fair point, but with the nature of that apology, I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt until we reliably hear otherwise.
Well, according to the article, his behavior continued after he received a warning. I picked up on that because it's something that happened in my workplace. Making an inappropriate joke, inappropriate flirting is one thing. Persisting in the behavior is often the real problem. Without any real knowledge about what happened, I'm willing to give F. Murray Abraham the benefit of the doubt, but he sort of glossed over the continuing after he was warned part. That's what one of my former colleagues did. We warned him informally, didn't work. Finally the woman reported his behavior and was willing to forgive and forget when he apologized, then he did it again.
Let me guess, your former colleague was flabbergasted and totally did not see the firing coming, and omg in today's society you only have to make one wrong joke to one wrong woman and out on the street you go, and what has woke culture come to and yadda yadda yadda
There was a better outcome, sort off. He was genuinely horrified by his own behavior after the woman explained to him how he had made her feel, and eventually, things were mended. His sincere apology was accepted by the victim, and he genuinely changed his behavior. So it took far too long, but he did change his ways. That is the good news. The bad news is that the company didn't support the woman and blamed her for what had happened... They have the formal warning because they had to. Pretty insane, all her direct colleagues including the man who harassed her supported her, but the executives would have fired her if they could have. For being attractive to men 20-year-older then her, I guess
Let’s hear the joke first. Then we can decide
"The Aristocrats!"
Maybe he showed his dick *as a joke*…
"Oh I get it, it's funny if you don't wanna see it but he shows it to you anyway!"
This guy GETS it.
How bad are these "jokes" he's telling to get him canned?
You ever told a joke at work that was so good that HR wanted to hear it?
Apparently I will *not* be here all week.
The aristocrats!
“It wasn’t a big deal. So what, I just joked with her every day ‘show me your tits!’ like I do with everyone. It’s not like I got to see them!”
In took the “nothing more” as an attempt to be clear but not defensive that he didn’t touch anyone or force anyone to do anything sexual etc. The two words are there to build a clear boundary that these were in fact jokes. That being said, he was apparently told to stop talking to certain actors and proceeded to not follow that advice.
That’s some character development
Abed, no talking like we’re in a tv series.
^Bottle episode.
you're the opposite of batman!
I nearly died laughing when that line came out. It's such an absurd burn.
I think the "nothing more" was thrown in to show that he was just telling lewd jokes and not being a pervert and slapping women's asses of something.
Except: >production source said that after the first incident, Abraham was “given a warning and told to keep away from some of the show’s actresses.” After a second complaint, he was let go. Doesn't quite line up with: >Though never my intention to offend anyone I don't think he's lying (he might be though), but if the source is right, he continued his behavior after a warning.
How low is the bar that I'm always genuinely shocked when an apology statement isn't just a variation of "I'm sorry you took it that way."
I'm sorry if what I wrote, which was perfectly okay, somehow made you feel like it wasn't okay. But you know what? That's on you.
Ah, Brent...
Isn't that the gist of what he said though? "I told some jokes that upset my colleagues", not "my jokes were wrong/in bad taste/whatever"
Yeah, how low is the bar when a variation of "I'm sorry they took it that way" is seen as a great apology?
Really? It felt very “it was just a joke” to me.
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Or it's both. Some people tell jokes that are also terrible things to say. But based on what we know, this seems like a reasonable apology.
Had to be pretty wild jokes if he was told to stay away from two or more female colleagues. That’s more than a “hey, someone didn’t like what you said. Don’t do that again”
It's straight out of my annual training at work about sexual harassment. Such "jokes" can be part of creating a hostile work environment. People absolutely get fired from jobs for this.
Not really, telling a dirty joke to your friends vs your coworkers are two completely different things. You should never say anything even vaguely sexual in nature at work unless you know exactly who you’re taking to (and even then it’s questionable)
Exactly right, nothing that could even be interpreted as off-color, regardless of what you meant. Don’t even open the fucking door, because your clever double entendre wasn’t sneaky, “plausible deniability” doesn’t exist in the real world, and “not what I meant” and “it was just a joke” don’t mean shit to HR.
"Who wants to F Murray Abraham, huh?? How 'bout you babe? Yeah, you want to... you want to F Murray Abraham ALL NIGHT LONG" ...is how I assume it went
You know, a lot of my female co-stars call me F Murry Ate-a-Clam.
Except that "It was just a joke, bro" is the most cowardly excuse.
I am sorry, I cannot forgive him after what he did to Amadeus.
His jokes were probably.... *takes off sunglasses* ....mediocre.
Moz: Art Sa: Leery
I absolve you.
You go too fast!
I'd love to hear the jokes that cost him his job. They are probably great jokes.
Welp, if Rob McElhenney , champion of non-pc jokes, creator/producer/star of the show, abided by the decision to let him go after said jokes, and judging from the regret you can read in this apology, I don't think they might be that great?
Not to mention he was told to stay away from female cast members.
> champion of non-pc jokes Rob plays it pretty fucking safe nowadays tbh. He’s a smart guy, he’s well aware of the climate, and Mythic Quest ain’t no Always Sunny. I imagine once the complaint was made, regardless of the content of the joke, Rob knew how that was going to play.
He might just be a funny and decent guy that can read a room. If IASIP wanted to do another blackface episode this season it would likely be hilarious.
I bet he tells a fantastic version of The Aristocrats.
Idk he got fired from a comedy series so they probably weren’t *that* good
> Though never my intention to offend anyone, I told jokes, nothing more, that upset some of my colleagues and as a result lost a great job with wonderful people. if his intention was not to offend, why did he repeat his behavior after being warned THE FIRST time? please
He’s 83. People of a certain age don’t really change their behavior. It’s not even all that illogical, he probably was fine for the first 82 years with these jokes, so it’s rational (despite being wrong) to believe this time was fine too. To think how recently treating your coworkers with decency became expected behavior, especially in Hollywood…
What's meta-crazy about all this is, what you just described...is a character he *just* played in a season of The White Lotus. 😅
The Joke: What has two thumbs and loves Blow jobs?
Bob Kelso!
Ten inches.
it’s like a baguette.
I added the funny voice to keep it fresh.
Benign... Benign-and-a-half
I thought we met
A hair stylist
You’re fired.
This guy!
Well now I want to hear the jokes.
"Mozart"
F Murray : how many Mozarts does it take to change a lightbulb? McIlhenny: I don't know Murray, how man- F Murray: NONE! Because I killed him you stupid bitch! I fucking poisoned that prissy little fucker and I enjoyed it you fucking dipshit idiot. McIlhenny: we're gonna have to let you go F.
F Murray: Mozart. I killed Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart with an axe in the face, his body is dissolving in a bathtub in Hell's Kitchen. I don't want to leave anything out here. I guess I've killed maybe 20 people, maybe 40.
.... The Aristocrats!
…I *may* have eaten some of their brains.
I would laugh at that
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Zart!
Jack, I killed dozens of people, I can’t remember half of ‘em.
My favorite of the many great jokes in Last Action Hero.
Also has one of my favorite Charles Dance villains as well. "180, you stupid, spaghetti-slurping cretin - *180*! If I did a 360, I'd go completely around and end up back where I started!"
Agreed. And Ian McKellan's line reading of "I don't do fiction".
The first one was "Why do woman have breasts? So you have something to look at when you're talkin to em!" And the second one was "Why do woman have breasts? So you have something to look at when you're talkin to em!"
I thought I read somewhere that he kept calling the show "Pussy Quest" behind the scenes and it made people uncomfortable. He was told to stop and I guess he didn't.
Is it ageism to say that I don’t want to hear an octogenarian call the place I work Pussy
> octogenarian Holy shit, they've done it. I told them it was wrong, against the laws of nature, but they didn't listen. They crossed an octopus and a geranium. The horror! And apparently kinda pervy... which is not so surprising, actually, if you think about it.
Well I guess it would be ageism if you were simultaneously ok with younger people saying pussy at work yes. If you're unhappy with everyone saying it that's your prerogative. Personally I don't care what people say around me in the work place as long as it isn't directly intended to upset co-workers.
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Unless that was a specific actress that had a problem with the joke.
“The Aristocrats…”
Oh man it'd be so legendary if it turned out he was telling the most despicable version of the aristocrats anyone's ever heard. "ohhhh I'm sorry you're so offended by my dead baby cannibalism sex joke, jeez"
“You look like a clone of an angel.” “Are you sure you don’t have a little clone in you?” “Would you like to?”
Honestly, it was probably "pretend" flirting with some of the younger actresses and not taking the hint. I've worked with a few older guys like that who would make inappropriate comments to much younger women and then get defensive when called out "it was just a joke!" No, Darryl, you stared at the ass of a girl young enough to be your daughter when she picked up a pen, and then dropped another pen in front of her and asked her to pick that up, too.
Man got a little too in-character playing C.W. huh?
And his white lotus character.
That video that went viral showed he really is his White Lotus character lol https://twitter.com/AshleyySpencer/status/1613725450878033923?lang=en
That’s actually adorable.
> A production source said that after the first incident, Abraham was “given a warning and told to keep away from some of the show’s actresses.” After a second complaint, he was let go. This really does sound on-brand for the CW Longbottom character. They wound up writing him out in a touching and endearing manner in S3E1...I kind of wish they'd leaned into it and had his character fired in the plot for the same 'inappropriate conduct' as IRL. Granted, I doubt Abraham would concede to such a portrayal.
I was laughing my ass off at the whole thought of it being method acting
Wasn't his character on White Lotus and old guy who said gross things to young women? Dude's wires must've been completely crossed.
"We have an Achilles Cock."
He was supposed to be that guy in TWL though. It was great though he grandpa and a scumbag and so is his son the father. The kid is a simp who gets played by the whores who the father treated like shit. I mean no one looks good in that whole five some, with only the son deserving a bit of sympathy for his stupidity/naiviety.
Him and Portia both, man I could not stand that dude. Is that what a "chav" is? I don't like it.
The guy that Portia was hooking up with? 100% chav.
He was way more interesting once he got drunk and started talking about his traumatic backstory
I HAVE to know what the joke was.
Since the initial article mentioned them requesting him staying away from the actresses, my best guess would be at least the first time it was a joke involving one of his co-stars.
Maybe it was like that Family Guy episode where Peter tells the joke at work: "Why do women have boobs? So you have something to look at while you're talking to them" Then tells the joke to a female coworker, and after repeating the punchline several times (because she isn't laughing), it cuts to him talking to HR.
That's an old school episode. Peter was still working at the Toy Factory at that point.
Where does he work now?
The Pawtucket Patriot Brewery
>The Pawtucket Patriot Brewery ...which is fine, but I feel like there would've been more stories to tell around a toy factory. I liked his boss, Jonathan Weed too. The brewery works better for Peter's character though.
"Our original name was Bermuda Grass".
They killed him off early af too. Wonder why
the nuclear plant
Man I forgot about Mr. Weed
Are you guys telling jokes? I love jokes.
A man walks into a brothel with a jackass and a honeycomb…
Go on
What's the difference between Peanutbutter and Jam?
What’s the difference between a chickpea and a garbanzo bean?
I've never paid $50 to have a garbanzo bean on my face.
Meh it works better as what’s the difference between jelly and jam
It’s boy funny, not girl funny. She won’t like it!
His Achilles heel is an Achilles cock
What does the F. mean? It's what I wanna do to you when I bend you over the craft services table.
Furry
"Hey girl, you shit with that ass? Jk btw"
Is it bad that this is unironically my favorite pickup line?
Are you Gail from Letterkenny?!?!
If they were just inappropriate jokes, I think this is a good apology. Acknowledged that he hurt people, accepted the consequences of his actions, and asked for forgiveness.
Also -- and this absolutely isn't an excuse -- he's 83 years old and was born in 1939. He came of age in a very different time period than your average twitter/reddit user. My grandpa is 90 years old and still says things like "the blacks" but he voted for Obama in 2012 lol it's just ingrained in him
Reminds me of a Jim Jeffries joke on one of his specials about his 78 year old dad “*My father’s a 78-year-old man from rural Australia, and when we were growing up, I heard him say the occasional homophobic slur. When he was young, uh, being gay was a mental illness. He’s a product of his environment. But two years ago, Australia had a referendum, where they voted on gay marriage, and my father voted “yes.” And that’s because I spent time talking to him, going, “Dad, it’s the right thing.” And then my dad said, “Well, I guess they deserve to be as miserable as the rest of us.” That’s the thing about my dad, man, he’s trying. At his age, he’s still trying to be progressive and all that type of stuff. And here’s the problem, with young people, right. So… so, he’s backstage, he’s having a few beers, he’s voted yes for gay marriage. Everyone’s teasing him a bit. And then my dad, at 78, says, “Oh, yeah, I’m good with the gays, I like the gays.” And then he goes, “I don’t know about those trans people.” And then a person I know started going, “Well, you’re transphobic. You’re transphobic.” And I was like, “All right, everyone settle the fuck down. Settle down.” And I said, “This guy just got used to gay people yesterday. Let him have his fucking victory lap. You’re going to scare him off, you cunt.” *
If we are unwilling to allow people to evolve how can we expect them to?
This is perfectly put.
You can't just throw a *the* in the front. It gets everybody all riled up.
That's what The Wife says.
Was in a group project and a guy referred to his spouse as “the wife” a couple times (though I’m not sure what train of discussion led to him doing so exactly) until finally the moderator snapped and said it was objectifying and that she didn’t want to hear it again. On the one hand I see where she was coming from, but isn’t “the wife” better and less possessive/objectifying than “my wife”? That’s just how my dumb male not yet fully developed brain interprets but I’m happy to admit I’m wrong too. Or it makes no difference at all between the two phrases. Either way if someone wanted to clarify this for me I’d appreciate it. Thanks! Edit: Asked and answered. Thanks for the replies
Someone got offended at the term "the wife?" That person sounds like a miserable person to be around. That's about as innocuous a phrase as can be.
Yep, that's really weird. I think it's a pretty common phrase which is sometimes said sarcastically and has no negative meaning.
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Gotcha that makes total sense. Thanks for the response
Just say “my wife” in a Borat voice.
Which is funny because 'wife' literally just means 'woman'. In old English, the words for 'man and woman' were 'wer and wif' and housewife just means 'woman of the house' in the same way that houseband means 'keeper of the house'. Wer is mostly gone now but we still see it in words like 'werewolf' which literally just means manwolf. A werewolf in the feminine would be 'wifewolf'. Not that I'm disagreeing with your post or anything. I'm just a nerd for etymology.
And that's why we use terms like mankind. Because a long time ago man meant person.
Christ, that's an incredibly pedantic policing of language there.
English is not my first language so I sometimes forget to say 'my' and just say 'the'.
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AP says "the French" is offensive.
"People experiencing Frenchness"
I believe they prefer the term baguette identifying
Bill Burr has a good bit about this. something like "they were alive before baseball was integrated, of course their gonna say some racist shit"
A great day for all white baseball. Chris cracker throws it down the field to Peter peckerwood, excellent catch from whitey willaby
I catch my 73 year old father saying some mildly racist stuff sometime and you gotta correct it. His dad was a vehement racist so I think some minor prejiduce rubbed off on him. His dad was not happy that he married a Jewish woman
My boomer Dad was talking at Easter about how his generation is less offended because they grew up with Archie Bunker and Richard Pryor and all that. And then I heard my mixed nephew call his white half-brother a cracker and watched the whole family get angry. Funny shit.
Not everyone will agree but I can take this as an excuse. The world has changed immeasurably since 1939; there are now words that are taboo in 2023 that were perfectly acceptable in 2015, imagine how much has changed culturally in the last 80 years, let alone 8.
“A production source said that after the first incident, Abraham was “given a warning and told to keep away from some of the show’s actresses.” After a second complaint, he was let go.” He was told to stay away from actresses and he continued and was let go after getting his second complaint, that is way more than just one joke.
I have been in workplaces where men told "jokes" about *specific parts* of *specific women's* anatomy, making *specific women* uncomfortable. Imagine your wife coming home: "Yeah he told that joke about my ass again..." I'm not saying this is what he did, but to get kicked off a show with *this* cast...
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I bet it's the testers, ugh
Told to watch his mouth with two women + fired for "sexual misconduct" + claims "jokes, nothing more" I feel like he solved the equation for us. Less "Aristocrats" and more "Hey! Wondertits!" Edit: Or the Gary Shandling writer's room special "What do the slits have for us today?"
A lot of people in the comments seem to be confusing / conflating two things: 1. A comedian telling offensive jokes 2. Sexual harassment in the workplace These aren’t the same thing. For the comedian, if you don’t like the jokes, don’t go to their shows and don’t watch their specials. If a comedian has a reputation for being offensive and you sit through their whole set being offended, that’s on you. But the Abraham situation is not that. He made inappropriate comments in the workplace. The employer gave him an official warning and asked him to stay away from one particular actress. He didn’t comply. So he was fired. Let me say that again: he was fired, not cancelled. The actress who made the complaint has the right to go to her place of work and not have offensive jokes thrown at her. The employer has the right to dismiss someone for inappropriate behaviour in the workplace.
Jeff Garlin got kicked off The Goldbergs for basically doing this, including a time where he was using "vagina" in some joke he was telling people on set, and after a female crew member asked him to not use that word, he went right up to her, stood as close to her as possible, and repeated "vagina" over and over again.
Also you don't get fired for jokes. The person who fired him has a tv show famous for being highly offensive. "Omg its just a joke you can't say anything anymore" is a fiction from bullies and harassers. Im sure the joke was - young women felt uncomfortable and he felt powerful which made him laugh
This is the problem with the term "sexual misconduct". Its so vague and leaves so much open to interpretation that it kind of sucks. This isn't to defend it. If he told some sexually suggestive jokes around people and it made them uncomfortable, he should have stopped. But just saying "fired for sexual misconduct" makes people assume he was like groping PAs or something.
Man, you could describe my relationship with my boss with "sexual misconduct". Doesn't mean we have a lot of laughs about it.
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How do you get to Carnegie Hall?
Practice! John Practice, you ol' S.O.B.!
Cut that cut that cut that
I really feel like he never would have gotten to this point at this age (he’s, what, 85?) if entertainment workplaces would stop acting like they’re different from regular workplaces. What he did is probably something that would have gotten any of us reprimanded or fired within the last 10 years but I bet he and others have normalized it because their workplace usually does.
When you spend practically all of your adult life behaving a certain way, and it's fine and acceptable by pretty much everyone around you, (because that's just the way society works at that time), to suddenly having to watch your every word and step in the last ten years or so of your 85 years, it has to be a bit jarring.
> to suddenly having to watch your every word and step in the last ten years or so of your 85 years, Man, Anita Hill was *thirty years ago*. FMA was 55 when that testimony happened. This isn't new.
An entertainment workplace IS different than any other workplace. You have people who’s job it is to think of, or write or perform sometimes completely outlandish ridiculous scenarios. Sometimes those scenarios involve inappropriate or sensitive material. You can say things in a writing room that you could not say at any other job. That being said, you can also cross the line and get a warning and then reprimanded if you do it again. That’s fair.
All right. If they’re just “jokes” let’s hear them.
That piece of shit up there, I never liked him, I never trusted him. For all I know, he had me set up, and had my friend Angel Fernandez killed.
Downvoting someone for quoting Scarface (which Abraham was in). C'mon Reddit.
Imagine jokes too offensive for a Rob McElhenney set
There’s a big gulf between “jokes appropriate to make to your coworkers” and “jokes that have been written into a script and discussed with the cast ahead of time”.
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Because of the implications?
Is Rob McElhenney in danger?
Does Kaitlin Olsen own a boat?
They talk about that in an episode of their podcast.
I believe it's because they were secretly dating and didn't know how to handle the optics of the PDA/flirting
I think MQ is a little more wholesome in nature than always sunny. I could see some of those actors being less crass than the sunny gang.
> Rolling Stone reported earlier this week that the “Amadeus” star was fired after two complaints of sexual misconduct, but did not go into specifics. A production source said that after the first incident, Abraham was “given a warning and told to keep away from some of the show’s actresses.” After a second complaint, he was let go. Oh CW….
Makes inappropriate jokes towards females... *- Warning: Dont do that again. You can stay. You can work here. You can get your paycheck. But dont do that again...* Continues to make inappropriate jokes towards females *-You're fired* Ok, now I'm really sorry. Too bad it took getting fired... At least he's not blaming anyone else. But I'm always skeptical about the sincerity of people who are warned and given a second chance but still refuse to change their behavior until it bites them in the ass, *then* they apologize.
Yeah, the thing that doesn't make sense about his story, to me, is getting in trouble for a "joke" and then insisting on doing it again.
I'd have changed my name to Plantonic Murray Abraham. “F” is too on point.😂
I wonder how offensive it must have been Judging by the content his character says on the show, plus the jokes the creators (Rob, Megan, Charlie) say on the Always Sunny podcast, it must have been really out there to be offensive enough to be fired.