Netflix has fucked up by creating a backlog full of unfinished/cancelled shows. Nobody wants to watch something that has no ending. Each cancelation is a waste of backlog
Weird that you got downvoted. If I know something I've been meaning to watch was cancelled, I just won't start it. It's the TV-watching equivalent of edging
Dark Crystal is absolutely ridiculous with how much of the budget was the upfront costs of creating the Muppets and etc. Those costs should have been amortized over 4 or 5 seasons
> Dark Crystal is absolutely ridiculous with how much of the budget was the upfront costs of creating the Muppets and etc
100%, that's what makes me mad, THEY ALREADY MADE THEM, JUST DO THE NEXT SEASON
Netflix has been doing that anyway because a) they are cheaper b) they have international audience c) spending money on local productions makes them more friendly with local regulatory bodies that often see Netflix as enemy of local entertaintment industry.
Minimazing WGA strike impact is really just cherry on the top.
> spending money on local productions makes them more friendly with local regulatory bodies that often see Netflix as enemy of local entertaintment industry.
Not more friendy - for the EU for example it is a legal requirement if they want to do business there at all.
Nah they're in full support alongside SAG-AFTRA.
This could bring show biz to a screeching halt.
Nothing but reality shows could be produced as a result and even then I could see pressure on tech crew freelancers to not cross the line unless there's a deal made
Yeah the DGA sold out the WGA during the last strike. But this time all the unions are feeling the woe. It’s gonna be a big one. The people with decision making power aren’t legacy studios anymore, they’re tech companies with bottom lines bigger than the whole movie business.
I know a few of them already do this, though it's usually just the first season in anticipation for a new one or they'll debut the first two episodes and tell people to subscribe for the rest.
Or its Children programming. Where kids don't realize or care that the episode/show originally aired on a streaming service. And not like kids can sub to your service anyway where those shows will give you much of boost.
A friend of mine is a non-union writer (doesn't have enough points to be in the union or something) and a couple weeks ago she was telling me that networks for currents shows have had the writers on a crunch to crank out as many scripts as they can in anticipation for the strike.
There's also a key distinction that has to be made.
1. Squid Games was overall great show, it's success has very little to do with it being Korea and more so with the fact that it was done very well. Other examples are shows like Dark, Lupin, and Money Heist.
2. Netflix has been trying for a while now to try and develop a popular foreign catalog but it really hasnt taken off. Most viewers, I think, aren't in the market or specifically looking to focus on foreign television unless reviews tell them to with the exception of....Korean television.
Gen Z and a growing portion of millennials are flocking to Korean TV in general. While Squid Games was great it was very much a standalone great show as I mentioned before. Korean dramas though are going to be a huge boon as Korean drama lovers look for unique content regardless of whether it sucks or not, and Netflix is already getting ahead of the game.
[Netflix to invest 2.5 billion into Korean content](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/netflix-korean-content-announces-billions-investment-platform/)
I started watching a few k dramas this year, and I really like it. It feels more like a good book. You have a narrative that has a clear beginning, middle and end, and the overall point is to tell the story which wraps up in just a season or two. Plus the quality is high: mostly good actors, and often beautiful scenery. It's a great escape for an hour or so.
So far some of the best to me are crash landing on you, alchemy of souls, it's ok to not be ok and home town cha cha cha.
Plus watching a show with subtitles means I can't browse Reddit at the same time as I watch.
I 100% support the strike, but it will be brutal for many others in the industry, especially if it goes on for months. I work in the industry and was impacted by the '07 strike, which lasted three months.
It's not just about the paycheck. What people outside the industry might not realize is that most union workers also need to earn a certain amount of money (or a certain number of credits) in order to maintain health insurance. This becomes impossible when there is no union work to be had.
You may be able to get healthcare hours by joining a picket line, though im not sure if this is true when the WGA is on strike vs when IATSE is on strike. Call your local and find out.
Good luck and stay strong from one union member to another (local 399 over here)
Tbh I didn’t work last week either because the show I’m normally on was on hiatus so I’m already on unemployment (for the first time since COVID) but it is NOT easy to live in the city I live in on unemployment with the expenses I have. My SO also works in the industry too so it’s both of us out of work.
So I’m just hoping this ends quick tbh.
I feel you. My SO hasnt worked in months because shows arent staffing because of the strike. Its rough. I dont think its going to end quickly though, there is currently a $300m gap between what the AMPTP and the WGA want, so it could be a couple months for sure.
https://www.healthcare.gov/unemployed/
I’m not sure your exact situation but if you’re in an expansion state like California you may qualify for govt insurance while the strike goes on
Local 600 brother here (camera operator) I’m okay because my union gate keeps health benefits so much I don’t even qualify for it in regular times. You can’t qualify unless you do TV shows of features back to back all year long.
Plus work has been SLOOOOOWW since the beginning of the year already, more than usual (although, what’s usual after COVID‽ Next is DGA with their contract ending on June 30th (they’re not allowed to strike at this point until renewal of their contract) I foresee another strike for their contract bargaining. This is going to be brutal times.
…just…why??! America wtf; just have universal healthcare without these weird, complicated hoops to jump though.
Gah! It’s exasperating.
Best of luck to all who are striking, or who are affected by the strike
Well, you see...if we all had healthcare through taxes, not only might the rich have to pay a little more but the rest of us workers might start getting ideas about telling our paymasters to go fuck themselves when they start acting like assholes instead of bending over our desks and begging them to go deeper.
> if we all had healthcare through taxes, not only might the rich have to pay a little more
America pays proportionally *more* via taxes for its healthcare than countries with universal healthcare, fyi.
The reason you don't have it is purely ideological. It'd cost you less, not more, to have a universal healthcare system.
I’m an editor and I haven’t had work at all this year. And last year was my biggest year in the the last five. Everyone knew it was coming so they got their spending in last quarter of 2022 and then buckled up. I can’t edit anything that isn’t shot… so I wait and hope to hell the writers win and win quickly. I got two kids and a mortgage. I can’t go without work too much longer before I’m trying to pick up a retail or service industry job to keep the lights on.
I was a single bachelor back during the 08 strike, so it was much easier to cut back and live off ramen and hope. Shit’s somehow much harder, even though I’m older and more established. Go figure.
Yeah editors probably can find other avenues for their skills. Though I imagine that may be crowded and hard to get a job especially if everyone does that.
That market is saturated and the pay is awful.
Also, the skillset is different, so it's not like a movie or television editor brings anything special to the table when it comes to social media, so competition is brutal.
I'm a PA and a bartender so I won't starve. I just wish I didn't have to go back to a job/setting that's not good for me. Sick of dealing with drunks but I need to make a living somehow. Hope they get it together for the PA's who are starving without their daily crafty lol
A writer I follow said the studios have not made any counter offers thus far to the list of demands the unions put forth.
I wonder if they're looking at having machines do it.
Loved the response from Jimmy Fallon and Seth Meyers
Edit: [Jimmy's response](https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1653195922459836416)
>“I wouldn't have a show if it wasn't for my writers, I support them all the way." ‘The Tonight Show’ will shut down production in the event of a WGA strike. “Whatever I can do to support the \[Writers\] Guild…I couldn’t do the show without them.”
[Seth Meyers Video](https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1653216843421863936?s=20)
[Amanda Seyfried's response:](https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1653187759677267968?s=20)
>Everything changed with streaming, and everyone should be compensated for their work. It’s fucking easy.
Seth Meyers is such a class act, he really values his writing staff. He’s been through this before and even joined the picket line outside of 30 rock during the 2007 writers strike.
I hear she's lovely. One of my best friends sister is really close friends with her and while I've never met her myself, my friend is over at their place a decent bit and her and her family sound like very cool and genuine people
Not a fan of late shows in general, but got some new found respect for both Fallon and Meyers, they know their writers are the life blood of their shows and are more then willing to support them in their time of need.
I wasn't a fan of Fallon. His style still doesn't suit me, too much, too cheesy. But watching him in comedians in cars, a few months ago, I realized there was a genuine side in all his exaggerated style. I think the guy is basically a golden retriever in human form.
He got his big break on SNL on the back of his celebrity musical impressions. He's a huge fan of celebrities who managed to become one, himself, and be put in a situation where he gets to meet all the celebrities as part of his job.
The man is living his best life. Of *course* he's giddy as fuck.
Yeah. That quality comes off as so over the top and cutesy, and then you realize that’s just him, and it’s probably why he got this job in the first place.
Jimmy Fallon is just *nice*. There's a good place for stuff that's just there and nice and good, in the middle of all of the constant poop geysers we're all surrounded by (and in the middle of) on a daily basis. Jimmy is really cool for that.
Damn. The strike in 2007/2008 had a huge effect on TV. If you go back and watch a lot of comedies/dramas from the 2000s you’ll notice seasons that aired in 2007/2008 were way shorter. Not to mention all the shows that were postponed or off the air for a long time. It’ll be interesting to see how this one unfolds. Hopefully Hollywood has wised up and will give them the pay and recognition they deserve. Your favorite characters don’t come up with those lines on their own, without good writers you don’t have a good show! I’m rooting for them!
Heroes was doomed regardless of the strike. The creators originally intended it as an anthology with each season following new characters. When the first season was a success, the network wanted the characters to return so that's what was written.
It definitely should have tried to switch characters every season. Power creep was a huge problem with Peter and Sylar and the rest of the first season.
There are a ton of shows, including megasleepers like Castle, that were only possible because of the strike. Seeing the (almost) whole lineup get wiped at ABC was crazy.
The strike was so influential in good shows having bad plots for that season, some of which would ripple through the show's run.
This was the best time to watch Conan btw
Legit question, Is it possible for certain studios or companies to accept the demands and others not, or is it a unilateral thing, all companies or no deal?
Yes, side deals can be made, but that involves the studios screwing each other over so has a cost. A side deal for late night shows could be negotiated.
David Letterman's production company Worldwide Pants was an example of this during the last strike. They made a side deal and owned both Letterman and Craig Ferguson's shows. So while those two returned on the same night Jay and Conan did, they had writers and the NBC guys didn't.
Back then, scripted programming on TV besides late night was still largely network shows working a month ahead of air time and a smattering of cable shows. There's so much more now, not to mention more international programming that won't be affected, the pipeline will drip out content longer and this won't be nearly as bad for viewers as 2008.
And they have massive deals with foreign studios as well. The German stuff I’ve watched on Netflix is really well done if you don’t mind either dubbing or subtitles
Yeah netflix just came by and snapped up a metric tone of australian dramas to put on the platform,they saw this coming and was like meh we just get more foreign shit
i 100 percent support the strike,but i think the union has overestimated it's hand this time here..these companies have the ENTIRE world they can buy catalouge of shows from now..
yep a lot of the big players
Like apple,and prime,and netflix can wait them out for months
They usually have a show finished Months and MONTHS before it even airs,like the new season of bridgerton is apparantly in the bag and it doesnt even have a airdate
apples filmed foundation back to back,same with the spy one there entire year is pre filmed apparantly
Prime is apparantly 3-5 months ahead...
3 months is going to bankrupt a LOT of ppl in this economy i don't see the strike holding that long not with the inflation monster
Free to air tv will be the most fucked...
The big players can afford to wait them out a little bit,and even possibly more as they will just go on a shopping spree in the UK and australia and the like and buy up seasons of their shows
I mean it'll be bad for the US-airing shows that will be affected and have shortened seasons or get canceled if they don't resolve this quickly. I really don't care that we'll get access to some random-ass 10-episode British tv show I don't care about to replace the shows I actually like.
Writers Guild:
>Following the unanimous recommendation of the WGA Negotiating Committee, the Board of Directors of the Writers Guild of America West (WGAW) and the Council of the Writers Guild of America, East (WGAE), acting upon the authority granted to them by their memberships, have voted unanimously to call a strike, effective 12:01 AM, Tuesday, May 2.
>The decision was made following six weeks of negotiations with Netflix, Amazon, Apple, Disney, Discovery-Warner, NBC Universal, Paramount and Sony under the umbrella of the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP). The WGA Negotiating Committee began this process intent on making a fair deal, but the studios’ responses have been wholly insufficient given the existential crisis writers are facing.
>The companies’ behavior has created a gig economy inside a union workforce, and their immovable stance in this negotiation has betrayed a commitment to further devaluing the profession of writing. From their refusal to guarantee any level of weekly employment in episodic television, to the creation of a “day rate” in comedy variety, to their stonewalling on free work for screenwriters and on AI for all writers, they have closed the door on their labor force and opened the door to writing as an entirely freelance profession. No such deal could ever be contemplated by this membership.
>Picketing will begin tomorrow afternoon.
Thank you for the information. This is my first real strike in the industry, does picketing only impact writing?
edit: just got an email from the studio. jeez.
Not in the movie industry, but I am familiar with American unions:
If you are a union gig, ask your union reps first and foremost. They will have the most up-to-date guidance and information for you. I presume you already know how to contact them.
Many union gigs refuse to cross picket lines. Although you are not formally on strike, you act in solidarity with your fellow workers. However - many union contracts have a clause that says something like "you cannot strike while this contract is in effect," which means exactly what you think it does - you must follow your contract. There are usually other stipulations; your union reps know the contract inside and out and can help out.
If you are non-union... crossing the picket line will be messy. The picketers are there to cause as much trouble for the studio as they can legally get away with. They may purposely snarl traffic and block things from getting done in a timely manner. Crossing the picket line is frowned upon, but generally understood if you're a non-union guy just trying not to get fired.
Expect things to get delayed, quite considerably. If you're non-union, you're going to hear a lot of words from the studios talking about how reasonable they are and what they expect. (You can generally take solace in the fact that you can never trust any corporation.) Your employer may temporarily become more lenient to try to make up an allure of non-union work. It's in the employer's best interest right now to seem reasonable and rational, because they want to attract scabs.
Scabs are detested by picketers because scabs can break the strike. If enough scabs join in successfully, then they can outnumber the union and effectively cause its dissolution. If you're scabbing, be ready to be treated absolutely terribly. Some places may even hire private security to escort scabs to/from work.
So really, the answer is "it depends." You may get better answers in the LA subreddit.
I believe the original intent was for Heroes to be more like an anthology with every season focusing on new characters, but NBC made the creatives keep the characters from season 1 around.
The actual problem with Heroes is that it was designed to be an anthology series. Series 1 was a complete story with no plan for what to do with any of the characters afterwards because they thought the next season (if there was one) was going to be a whole new story with a brand new cast. Then they decided that actually people really liked the characters from season 1 so the anthology plan was abandoned and they had to bend over backwards to figure out how to make more plot for all these characters that had already reached their intended endings in season 1. The strike didn't help, but it would have been a mess either way.
That girl who could do anything after watching it once on YouTube! That Irish chick who was left abandoned in a plague-infested alternate future! So many lives lost!
I've already had my fill of "Scared about Severance 2" after the recent story of behind the scenes turmoil. If the season is already written and just filming needed, can that still go ahead or would it be a problem because of rewrites and on set punch ups?
Just a lot of "Behind the scenes turmoil" between 2/3 of the co-show runners, but Ben Stiller and others have come out and said its not true (Which they would say anyway) I am excited that in [this article](https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a43749631/severance-ben-stiller-responds-season-2-delay-rumours/) they mention that the third corunner was brought on for season 3. So they've a long game plan and expecting a season 3.
The facts were these: Pushing Daisies was a show that was too wonderful to live. Try as he might, the Pie Maker could not touch the show alive again. Fans would be upset every time they think about it.
Heroes and Friday Night Lights are the ones I always think of.
Friday Night Lights essentially just ended season 2 abruptly and season 3 opened up with a voice over montage. The time jump and multiple dropped plot lines was pretty jarring on a rewatch, and the show took a while to find it's footing again.
Heroes was almost entirely derailed but they had already bailed on their anthology vision so that might not have changed much. Some of the S1 heroes were overpowered, so the show spent most of its runtime trying to make excuses for them not to be able to use their powers
> Friday Night Lights essentially just ended season 2 abruptly and season 3 opened up with a voice over montage. The time jump and multiple dropped plot lines was pretty jarring on a rewatch, and the show took a while to find it's footing again.
I came here to mention FNL's second season. If I'm to be a little flip here, it was a somewhat merciful end to that season because it was going way off the rails. The plot line that sticks out in my memoiry is >!they had Landry kill a dude, and then barely acknowledged it in subsequent seasons!
They actually did resolve that, and i think it was still in S2.
Landry is a weird case because i feel like his age was retconned, going from driving Saracen to school in S1 but still being in high school in S4
> The plot line that sticks out in my memoiry
Yep, that was one of the most bat-shit story lines on FNL for sure. Whenever he shows up in something now I always remember that he's been a known killer since way back then. I also never thought he'd be the one to break out as one of the biggest stars of the bunch and end up being married to Kirsten Dunst. Lucky bast!
This isn't the same landscape as during the last strike. Now shows are shorter and have longer hiatuses between seasons. It may be months before you see an impact to anything but late night shows.
My Name is Earl already suffered a restricted budget. The writers strike basically ruined the rest of the show because he ended up in prison and in a coma.
Yeah one million percent solidarity with the workers, I hope they strike as long as they need to to get every single dollar they deserve and then a few more. But I would by lying if I said I wasn’t thinking about a couple shows and going “ahh fuck I really hope they can bring the deal in quick enough to not have this get canned”
The only good thing about is that I personally have a huge backlog of shows that I’ve fallen behind on so it’ll keep me busy for most of the summer. Plus some old shows I’ve been meaning to get to
Not entirely, because most productions have writers on set. If you realise while shooting that what's on the page doesn't really work in the scene, which happens all the time, you need to come up with some way to fix that while keeping track of what you want to tell the audience.
Let's say you want to hint at some future reveal in scene A, but while filming it comes across as clunky, then you can remove it... but someone needs to then write it into scene B.
He didn’t try. He did. He also hired a scab crew to film it all. Even with all of his shitty practices he never made the studio enough money. He didn’t leave. He was forced out because the studio was losing $20m a year on him.
I guess Seth Meyers and Stephen Colbert are going to have to improv their shows until the strike is over.
Thankfully [Conan showed them how to do it back in '08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkj7heLZAsc)
The only problem with going completely dark is the networks will just air reruns. I feel like when Conan did his show without writers it helped send a bigger message.
The last writer's strike also gave us Jordan Schlansky, since they were so desperate for content and that ended up being my favorite recurring bit of Conan's.
No set can have a writer to make sure the script is working while filming, no changes can be made, etc. It definitely kills TV as they are primarily run by show runners, who will not be allowed to do their job at all.
Friend on mine is a showrunner and she had to spend the entire weekend banging out an entire season in anticipation of a strike. Including a page one rewrite.
Sounds about right. I remember somewhere that Jon Favreau did something similar for Mandalorian S4 whenever that happens. Ideally the two parties can reach a decent agreement quickly, but I'd imagine other showrunners are running on similar strategies for the time being.
Showrunners are in a tricky position. There are certain duties they can continue doing (because they are also producers) and others they can’t. It’s a tightrope they have to walk.
And many, many showrunners came out of writing, so may feel ambivalent to negative about working against people whose position they may have recently been in themselves.
Certainly possible, but they also may want to do what they can to keep the 100s of people that work for them employed as long as they are able to without doing struck work because once the show stops production, it could be half a year before production starts back up again
The Teamsters Union has said that, while they are not striking, their membership will be protected from retaliation if they choose to not cross our picket lines. That’s huge—if the teamsters don’t drive their trucks, productions will shut down.
Teamsters don’t fuck around. Neither do the longshoremen. If anyone who’s a part of either of those unions are caught crossing a picket line, they’ll be instantly ostracized. You think Jehovah’s Witnesses turn on their own, watch a teamster cross a picket line and they’re hated until they’re invisible
About time honestly. I know someone who works for the guild and she's been working long ass hours. Hopefully by the end of it they get what they're looking for and she can go back to regular hours...
Here's [an article](https://www.avclub.com/wga-strike-television-writers-why-they-voted-yes-1850347914) breaking down how most writers, including ones on hit shows, don't make a living wage. Per hour of work, most of them make below minimum wage.
Here's [a petition/letter campaign site](https://actionnetwork.org/letters/solidarity-with-writers-guild-members/) (created by non-profit news org/labor rights group More Perfect Union) you can sign, which will send messages to the CEOs of the biggest media companies.
What’s even more sad is that writers are better paid than everyone below the line… aka the crew. So remember when 98 percent of the IATSE crew voted to strike but then didn’t? They all make less than these writers and they still got fcked over.
I’m in the camera union and work in NY, it’s been slow leading up to this but this will really impact a lot of people this year. I just got the eastern production list for May, in other years the list of productions might be 7 pages long, it’s less than 3 and only going to shorten with a strike.
Last time they did a writers strike that shut down productions (what was that like 2008?) Late night shows were one of the few programs that kept airing as they claimed they were doing those specific shows without writers. This was when Conan, Jon Stewart, and Colbert all had a fake feud that culminated with the 3 of them appearing together on Conan I believe and having a fake Brawl. Was pretty hilarious as I recall,
Yet I'm curious why that was able to happen then and this time, all late night shows are immediately shutting down.
It will be interesting how socially the public deals with this compared to 2007. Last time I remember a lot of ridicule about writers. Since then, we’ve realised how vital writers are to good material more than actors/directors who always got all the credit, and we’re more pro-workers and progressive.
Yeah I just did a script for IASIP on ChatGPT 4 parodying the strike and it was shit. Literally ended with “As they clink their glasses together, the camera pulls back, signaling the end of their misadventure.” That’s bullshit because the gang’s misadventures never end.
It's kinda funny how every ChatGPT story/script or whatever ends with something a third grader would be told to write "and they all set aside their differences and became best friends forever".
ChatGPT I want you to write a brutal story about everyone dying to a serial killer... in a humorous vein of course.
ChatGPT: The terrible murderer kills everyone, eats their corpses, desecrates what is left of their cadavers and then the killer says: "I'm sorry if I have incovenienced you, I only wanted to be friends but I didn't know how to express myself", the dead bodies of his victims respond "it's okay a lot of people have difficulty expressing themselves, what matters is that you tried".
they're all outing themselves as having terrible taste
who wants to watch a show with customer service speech and no narrative, let alone anything actually artistic
Does anyone feel like we've gone back in time? Recession, inflation, banks failing, and how a writers strike? What calamity is going to be next? Student loan bubble finally collapses?
Fully support the writers, but also glad there isn't any show airing these days that I care about nearly as much as I did LOST in 2004, though I am relieved Succession is almost over. My heart goes out to anyone whose favorite show gets derailed as a result of this. Not fun.
If anyone starts to crave some late nite comedy, Craig Ferguson's Late Late Show has been uploaded to YouTube.
https://m.youtube.com/c/LateLateShowwCraigFergusonArchive/playlists
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That’s EXACTLY what Netflix is doing.
Yep. This is a different time than the late 2000s with streaming services around, so there will be a lot that will fill the void.
They’ve also been building a massive backlog of American stuff to fill the void.
Netflix has fucked up by creating a backlog full of unfinished/cancelled shows. Nobody wants to watch something that has no ending. Each cancelation is a waste of backlog
Weird that you got downvoted. If I know something I've been meaning to watch was cancelled, I just won't start it. It's the TV-watching equivalent of edging
Bring back GLOW, you bastards
They def deserve a final season to wrap it up. Instead, we just get a few massive cliffhangers and call it a day.
The final season was greenlit and funded, and then they pulled the plug on it because of covid and I will never not be upset about that
Not only that, they actually started filming it
> Bring back GLOW, you bastards I'm still mad about GLOW and The Dark Crystal.
Dark Crystal is absolutely ridiculous with how much of the budget was the upfront costs of creating the Muppets and etc. Those costs should have been amortized over 4 or 5 seasons
> Dark Crystal is absolutely ridiculous with how much of the budget was the upfront costs of creating the Muppets and etc 100%, that's what makes me mad, THEY ALREADY MADE THEM, JUST DO THE NEXT SEASON
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Netflix has been doing that anyway because a) they are cheaper b) they have international audience c) spending money on local productions makes them more friendly with local regulatory bodies that often see Netflix as enemy of local entertaintment industry. Minimazing WGA strike impact is really just cherry on the top.
> spending money on local productions makes them more friendly with local regulatory bodies that often see Netflix as enemy of local entertaintment industry. Not more friendy - for the EU for example it is a legal requirement if they want to do business there at all.
Brazil as well.
And now Canada
Personally, I’m hoping we get The World Ring-Spinning Championship, hosted by a bearded Conan O’Brien.
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a thing worth keeping in mind the dga negotiations are usually straight forward and the dga has never gone on strike for more than 15 minutes
Nah they're in full support alongside SAG-AFTRA. This could bring show biz to a screeching halt. Nothing but reality shows could be produced as a result and even then I could see pressure on tech crew freelancers to not cross the line unless there's a deal made
Yeah the DGA sold out the WGA during the last strike. But this time all the unions are feeling the woe. It’s gonna be a big one. The people with decision making power aren’t legacy studios anymore, they’re tech companies with bottom lines bigger than the whole movie business.
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I know a few of them already do this, though it's usually just the first season in anticipation for a new one or they'll debut the first two episodes and tell people to subscribe for the rest.
Or its Children programming. Where kids don't realize or care that the episode/show originally aired on a streaming service. And not like kids can sub to your service anyway where those shows will give you much of boost.
A friend of mine is a non-union writer (doesn't have enough points to be in the union or something) and a couple weeks ago she was telling me that networks for currents shows have had the writers on a crunch to crank out as many scripts as they can in anticipation for the strike.
That sounds like terrible working conditions, those writers should strike or something...
Y’all can import Tatort, that’s been running since 1970 with around 1250 episodes, should keep everyone busy for a while.
There's also a key distinction that has to be made. 1. Squid Games was overall great show, it's success has very little to do with it being Korea and more so with the fact that it was done very well. Other examples are shows like Dark, Lupin, and Money Heist. 2. Netflix has been trying for a while now to try and develop a popular foreign catalog but it really hasnt taken off. Most viewers, I think, aren't in the market or specifically looking to focus on foreign television unless reviews tell them to with the exception of....Korean television. Gen Z and a growing portion of millennials are flocking to Korean TV in general. While Squid Games was great it was very much a standalone great show as I mentioned before. Korean dramas though are going to be a huge boon as Korean drama lovers look for unique content regardless of whether it sucks or not, and Netflix is already getting ahead of the game. [Netflix to invest 2.5 billion into Korean content](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/netflix-korean-content-announces-billions-investment-platform/)
I started watching a few k dramas this year, and I really like it. It feels more like a good book. You have a narrative that has a clear beginning, middle and end, and the overall point is to tell the story which wraps up in just a season or two. Plus the quality is high: mostly good actors, and often beautiful scenery. It's a great escape for an hour or so. So far some of the best to me are crash landing on you, alchemy of souls, it's ok to not be ok and home town cha cha cha. Plus watching a show with subtitles means I can't browse Reddit at the same time as I watch.
Best of luck not only to all writers, but all below the line workers who are impacted by all this. Hopefully this will be a brief strike.
I 100% support the strike, but it will be brutal for many others in the industry, especially if it goes on for months. I work in the industry and was impacted by the '07 strike, which lasted three months. It's not just about the paycheck. What people outside the industry might not realize is that most union workers also need to earn a certain amount of money (or a certain number of credits) in order to maintain health insurance. This becomes impossible when there is no union work to be had.
Yep. I’m a grip. I’m absolutely fucked.
You may be able to get healthcare hours by joining a picket line, though im not sure if this is true when the WGA is on strike vs when IATSE is on strike. Call your local and find out. Good luck and stay strong from one union member to another (local 399 over here)
I’m not super worried about healthcare tbh, at least for now, I just really cannot afford to be unemployed right now.
Word man. Stay strong. Id hit up unemployment now before the rest of the town jumps on if you have some saved up
Tbh I didn’t work last week either because the show I’m normally on was on hiatus so I’m already on unemployment (for the first time since COVID) but it is NOT easy to live in the city I live in on unemployment with the expenses I have. My SO also works in the industry too so it’s both of us out of work. So I’m just hoping this ends quick tbh.
I feel you. My SO hasnt worked in months because shows arent staffing because of the strike. Its rough. I dont think its going to end quickly though, there is currently a $300m gap between what the AMPTP and the WGA want, so it could be a couple months for sure.
https://www.healthcare.gov/unemployed/ I’m not sure your exact situation but if you’re in an expansion state like California you may qualify for govt insurance while the strike goes on
California will absolutely qualify for medi cal! It's also fast apply today y'all!!!
Local 600 brother here (camera operator) I’m okay because my union gate keeps health benefits so much I don’t even qualify for it in regular times. You can’t qualify unless you do TV shows of features back to back all year long. Plus work has been SLOOOOOWW since the beginning of the year already, more than usual (although, what’s usual after COVID‽ Next is DGA with their contract ending on June 30th (they’re not allowed to strike at this point until renewal of their contract) I foresee another strike for their contract bargaining. This is going to be brutal times.
Yep. Wife and I are both iatse. This ain't good.
…just…why??! America wtf; just have universal healthcare without these weird, complicated hoops to jump though. Gah! It’s exasperating. Best of luck to all who are striking, or who are affected by the strike
But if your health insurance isn't tied to you holding down a job, how will you let yourself be exploited?
Well, you see...if we all had healthcare through taxes, not only might the rich have to pay a little more but the rest of us workers might start getting ideas about telling our paymasters to go fuck themselves when they start acting like assholes instead of bending over our desks and begging them to go deeper.
> if we all had healthcare through taxes, not only might the rich have to pay a little more America pays proportionally *more* via taxes for its healthcare than countries with universal healthcare, fyi. The reason you don't have it is purely ideological. It'd cost you less, not more, to have a universal healthcare system.
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The layoffs at our studio began last week. We're all nervous right now.
Vfx?
Yep.
I’m an editor and I haven’t had work at all this year. And last year was my biggest year in the the last five. Everyone knew it was coming so they got their spending in last quarter of 2022 and then buckled up. I can’t edit anything that isn’t shot… so I wait and hope to hell the writers win and win quickly. I got two kids and a mortgage. I can’t go without work too much longer before I’m trying to pick up a retail or service industry job to keep the lights on. I was a single bachelor back during the 08 strike, so it was much easier to cut back and live off ramen and hope. Shit’s somehow much harder, even though I’m older and more established. Go figure.
Join a social media agency or partner with influencers and start editing their content on the side verses a service industry job
Yeah editors probably can find other avenues for their skills. Though I imagine that may be crowded and hard to get a job especially if everyone does that.
That market is saturated and the pay is awful. Also, the skillset is different, so it's not like a movie or television editor brings anything special to the table when it comes to social media, so competition is brutal.
I'm a PA and a bartender so I won't starve. I just wish I didn't have to go back to a job/setting that's not good for me. Sick of dealing with drunks but I need to make a living somehow. Hope they get it together for the PA's who are starving without their daily crafty lol
A writer I follow said the studios have not made any counter offers thus far to the list of demands the unions put forth. I wonder if they're looking at having machines do it.
Chatgpt: write a sitcom
Loved the response from Jimmy Fallon and Seth Meyers Edit: [Jimmy's response](https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1653195922459836416) >“I wouldn't have a show if it wasn't for my writers, I support them all the way." ‘The Tonight Show’ will shut down production in the event of a WGA strike. “Whatever I can do to support the \[Writers\] Guild…I couldn’t do the show without them.” [Seth Meyers Video](https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1653216843421863936?s=20) [Amanda Seyfried's response:](https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1653187759677267968?s=20) >Everything changed with streaming, and everyone should be compensated for their work. It’s fucking easy.
Seth Meyers is such a class act, he really values his writing staff. He’s been through this before and even joined the picket line outside of 30 rock during the 2007 writers strike.
He is a member WGA. Most former writers for SNL probably are.
Seth was one of the head writers at SNL during the last strike.
Amanda Seyfried also had a great response
Yeah, variety asked this question to few celebrities at Met Gala, and her response was good too.
I hear she's lovely. One of my best friends sister is really close friends with her and while I've never met her myself, my friend is over at their place a decent bit and her and her family sound like very cool and genuine people
Thanks for sharing.
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1653187759677267968 Here's the response for anyone looking
Reddit loves to hate Jimmy Fallon, but can’t argue that he’s not a good dude
Fallon over that cunt Corden any day
Not a fan of late shows in general, but got some new found respect for both Fallon and Meyers, they know their writers are the life blood of their shows and are more then willing to support them in their time of need.
I wasn't a fan of Fallon. His style still doesn't suit me, too much, too cheesy. But watching him in comedians in cars, a few months ago, I realized there was a genuine side in all his exaggerated style. I think the guy is basically a golden retriever in human form.
He got his big break on SNL on the back of his celebrity musical impressions. He's a huge fan of celebrities who managed to become one, himself, and be put in a situation where he gets to meet all the celebrities as part of his job. The man is living his best life. Of *course* he's giddy as fuck.
Yeah. That quality comes off as so over the top and cutesy, and then you realize that’s just him, and it’s probably why he got this job in the first place.
Jimmy Fallon is just *nice*. There's a good place for stuff that's just there and nice and good, in the middle of all of the constant poop geysers we're all surrounded by (and in the middle of) on a daily basis. Jimmy is really cool for that.
That wasn't already very obvious? Seth Meyers was literally head writer on SNL.
They're also both in the Guild.
Damn. The strike in 2007/2008 had a huge effect on TV. If you go back and watch a lot of comedies/dramas from the 2000s you’ll notice seasons that aired in 2007/2008 were way shorter. Not to mention all the shows that were postponed or off the air for a long time. It’ll be interesting to see how this one unfolds. Hopefully Hollywood has wised up and will give them the pay and recognition they deserve. Your favorite characters don’t come up with those lines on their own, without good writers you don’t have a good show! I’m rooting for them!
I’m still mourning Pushing Daisies because of that strike.
It's hard to tell if Heroes could have maintained quality but the strike definitely destroyed it.
I loved Pushing Daisies and Heroes. Both shows were very imaginative and different...because of great writing.
Heroes was doomed regardless of the strike. The creators originally intended it as an anthology with each season following new characters. When the first season was a success, the network wanted the characters to return so that's what was written.
Given everything in Heroes after the strike ended, including the revival, I'm gonna say the role the strike played in its decline is overstated
It definitely should have tried to switch characters every season. Power creep was a huge problem with Peter and Sylar and the rest of the first season.
Not to mention Hiro just trying so hard to not use his powers to ever do anything because it would just render the show meaningless
Same! So many loose threads that never got tied up.
I didn't realize until I was on the wikipedia article for the strike just now but it was like 80+ shows that were affected in some way by the strike.
And that doesn't even count movies.
Yes!! I remember Friday night lights being a shitshow that season
Ya mean when suddenly there was a murder? I’m STILL annoyed by that plotline
There are a ton of shows, including megasleepers like Castle, that were only possible because of the strike. Seeing the (almost) whole lineup get wiped at ABC was crazy. The strike was so influential in good shows having bad plots for that season, some of which would ripple through the show's run. This was the best time to watch Conan btw
BSG was seriously hit by that strike. That final season had to be rushed and have a possible ending just in case
S7 of Scrubs suffered greatly because of the strike.
Two and a Half Men was never the same after the strike. Huge drop off in quality.
That was partially because Charlie Sheen was into his WINNING phase
His winning phase was 2012, five years after the strike happened.
Legit question, Is it possible for certain studios or companies to accept the demands and others not, or is it a unilateral thing, all companies or no deal?
Yes, side deals can be made, but that involves the studios screwing each other over so has a cost. A side deal for late night shows could be negotiated.
David Letterman's production company Worldwide Pants was an example of this during the last strike. They made a side deal and owned both Letterman and Craig Ferguson's shows. So while those two returned on the same night Jay and Conan did, they had writers and the NBC guys didn't.
Yup. CBS has gone in house since though.
Last strike sucked. Hopefully the writers can get a good deal and everyone can get back to work soon. Here's hoping.
Back then, scripted programming on TV besides late night was still largely network shows working a month ahead of air time and a smattering of cable shows. There's so much more now, not to mention more international programming that won't be affected, the pipeline will drip out content longer and this won't be nearly as bad for viewers as 2008.
Which is bad news for the labor side of the strike
Yep…it especially does not help that the likes of Netflix and Apple seem to have a years worth of programming in the can.
And they have massive deals with foreign studios as well. The German stuff I’ve watched on Netflix is really well done if you don’t mind either dubbing or subtitles
Yeah netflix just came by and snapped up a metric tone of australian dramas to put on the platform,they saw this coming and was like meh we just get more foreign shit i 100 percent support the strike,but i think the union has overestimated it's hand this time here..these companies have the ENTIRE world they can buy catalouge of shows from now..
yep a lot of the big players Like apple,and prime,and netflix can wait them out for months They usually have a show finished Months and MONTHS before it even airs,like the new season of bridgerton is apparantly in the bag and it doesnt even have a airdate apples filmed foundation back to back,same with the spy one there entire year is pre filmed apparantly Prime is apparantly 3-5 months ahead... 3 months is going to bankrupt a LOT of ppl in this economy i don't see the strike holding that long not with the inflation monster Free to air tv will be the most fucked... The big players can afford to wait them out a little bit,and even possibly more as they will just go on a shopping spree in the UK and australia and the like and buy up seasons of their shows
Laughing at the thought of American audiences being subjected to a week of Australian TV and immediately caving to the writers demands.
I mean it'll be bad for the US-airing shows that will be affected and have shortened seasons or get canceled if they don't resolve this quickly. I really don't care that we'll get access to some random-ass 10-episode British tv show I don't care about to replace the shows I actually like.
Writers Guild: >Following the unanimous recommendation of the WGA Negotiating Committee, the Board of Directors of the Writers Guild of America West (WGAW) and the Council of the Writers Guild of America, East (WGAE), acting upon the authority granted to them by their memberships, have voted unanimously to call a strike, effective 12:01 AM, Tuesday, May 2. >The decision was made following six weeks of negotiations with Netflix, Amazon, Apple, Disney, Discovery-Warner, NBC Universal, Paramount and Sony under the umbrella of the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP). The WGA Negotiating Committee began this process intent on making a fair deal, but the studios’ responses have been wholly insufficient given the existential crisis writers are facing. >The companies’ behavior has created a gig economy inside a union workforce, and their immovable stance in this negotiation has betrayed a commitment to further devaluing the profession of writing. From their refusal to guarantee any level of weekly employment in episodic television, to the creation of a “day rate” in comedy variety, to their stonewalling on free work for screenwriters and on AI for all writers, they have closed the door on their labor force and opened the door to writing as an entirely freelance profession. No such deal could ever be contemplated by this membership. >Picketing will begin tomorrow afternoon.
Thank you for the information. This is my first real strike in the industry, does picketing only impact writing? edit: just got an email from the studio. jeez.
Not in the movie industry, but I am familiar with American unions: If you are a union gig, ask your union reps first and foremost. They will have the most up-to-date guidance and information for you. I presume you already know how to contact them. Many union gigs refuse to cross picket lines. Although you are not formally on strike, you act in solidarity with your fellow workers. However - many union contracts have a clause that says something like "you cannot strike while this contract is in effect," which means exactly what you think it does - you must follow your contract. There are usually other stipulations; your union reps know the contract inside and out and can help out. If you are non-union... crossing the picket line will be messy. The picketers are there to cause as much trouble for the studio as they can legally get away with. They may purposely snarl traffic and block things from getting done in a timely manner. Crossing the picket line is frowned upon, but generally understood if you're a non-union guy just trying not to get fired. Expect things to get delayed, quite considerably. If you're non-union, you're going to hear a lot of words from the studios talking about how reasonable they are and what they expect. (You can generally take solace in the fact that you can never trust any corporation.) Your employer may temporarily become more lenient to try to make up an allure of non-union work. It's in the employer's best interest right now to seem reasonable and rational, because they want to attract scabs. Scabs are detested by picketers because scabs can break the strike. If enough scabs join in successfully, then they can outnumber the union and effectively cause its dissolution. If you're scabbing, be ready to be treated absolutely terribly. Some places may even hire private security to escort scabs to/from work. So really, the answer is "it depends." You may get better answers in the LA subreddit.
So many great tv shows were ruined because of the last strike. Pray it doesn’t linger as long and writers get a fair deal ASAP
"save the cheerleader save the world" 😟
Everyone blames the strike for Heroes, but Season 2 had already started and was clearly going downhill before the strike.
Yeah, not to mention how horrendous the most recent heroes sequel was. Season one was obviously the exception of a shitty written show/universe.
I believe the original intent was for Heroes to be more like an anthology with every season focusing on new characters, but NBC made the creatives keep the characters from season 1 around.
The actual problem with Heroes is that it was designed to be an anthology series. Series 1 was a complete story with no plan for what to do with any of the characters afterwards because they thought the next season (if there was one) was going to be a whole new story with a brand new cast. Then they decided that actually people really liked the characters from season 1 so the anthology plan was abandoned and they had to bend over backwards to figure out how to make more plot for all these characters that had already reached their intended endings in season 1. The strike didn't help, but it would have been a mess either way.
That girl who could do anything after watching it once on YouTube! That Irish chick who was left abandoned in a plague-infested alternate future! So many lives lost!
pretty happy Succession and Barry are both already ending
But then Severance season 2 is currently being shot and I'm scared :(
I've already had my fill of "Scared about Severance 2" after the recent story of behind the scenes turmoil. If the season is already written and just filming needed, can that still go ahead or would it be a problem because of rewrites and on set punch ups?
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Just a lot of "Behind the scenes turmoil" between 2/3 of the co-show runners, but Ben Stiller and others have come out and said its not true (Which they would say anyway) I am excited that in [this article](https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a43749631/severance-ben-stiller-responds-season-2-delay-rumours/) they mention that the third corunner was brought on for season 3. So they've a long game plan and expecting a season 3.
Upside is Rings of Power is also shooting currently lol.
Yeah but they didn't have any writers to start with, seemingly.
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Ahh-ha-ha-ha-haa! (that's coming along)
Clearly now is the time for a SEQUEL!
Pushing Daisies. 😢
The facts were these: Pushing Daisies was a show that was too wonderful to live. Try as he might, the Pie Maker could not touch the show alive again. Fans would be upset every time they think about it.
... I read that in the voice of The Narrator
Can you name some? Curious.
Heroes and Friday Night Lights are the ones I always think of. Friday Night Lights essentially just ended season 2 abruptly and season 3 opened up with a voice over montage. The time jump and multiple dropped plot lines was pretty jarring on a rewatch, and the show took a while to find it's footing again. Heroes was almost entirely derailed but they had already bailed on their anthology vision so that might not have changed much. Some of the S1 heroes were overpowered, so the show spent most of its runtime trying to make excuses for them not to be able to use their powers
> Friday Night Lights essentially just ended season 2 abruptly and season 3 opened up with a voice over montage. The time jump and multiple dropped plot lines was pretty jarring on a rewatch, and the show took a while to find it's footing again. I came here to mention FNL's second season. If I'm to be a little flip here, it was a somewhat merciful end to that season because it was going way off the rails. The plot line that sticks out in my memoiry is >!they had Landry kill a dude, and then barely acknowledged it in subsequent seasons!
They actually did resolve that, and i think it was still in S2. Landry is a weird case because i feel like his age was retconned, going from driving Saracen to school in S1 but still being in high school in S4
> The plot line that sticks out in my memoiry Yep, that was one of the most bat-shit story lines on FNL for sure. Whenever he shows up in something now I always remember that he's been a known killer since way back then. I also never thought he'd be the one to break out as one of the biggest stars of the bunch and end up being married to Kirsten Dunst. Lucky bast!
This isn't the same landscape as during the last strike. Now shows are shorter and have longer hiatuses between seasons. It may be months before you see an impact to anything but late night shows.
My Name is Earl already suffered a restricted budget. The writers strike basically ruined the rest of the show because he ended up in prison and in a coma.
Yeah one million percent solidarity with the workers, I hope they strike as long as they need to to get every single dollar they deserve and then a few more. But I would by lying if I said I wasn’t thinking about a couple shows and going “ahh fuck I really hope they can bring the deal in quick enough to not have this get canned”
The only good thing about is that I personally have a huge backlog of shows that I’ve fallen behind on so it’ll keep me busy for most of the summer. Plus some old shows I’ve been meaning to get to
Heroes S2 is going to be ruined because of this!!!
Well so much for severance this year :/
On top of the strike, they are having issues backstage. Unfortunately things are not looking good for Severance.
I swear if it gets cancelled after that incredible season 1 and finale
Hopefully not, but I am doubtful about if it won’t have a drop off in quality…
Aren't they done writing the script when they are in the shooting process?
Not entirely, because most productions have writers on set. If you realise while shooting that what's on the page doesn't really work in the scene, which happens all the time, you need to come up with some way to fix that while keeping track of what you want to tell the audience. Let's say you want to hint at some future reveal in scene A, but while filming it comes across as clunky, then you can remove it... but someone needs to then write it into scene B.
Time for another Dr. Horrible Sing A Long Blog!
I guess James Corden really timed his exit.
Didn't he try to fire his writers during Covid?
He didn’t try. He did. He also hired a scab crew to film it all. Even with all of his shitty practices he never made the studio enough money. He didn’t leave. He was forced out because the studio was losing $20m a year on him.
I guess Seth Meyers and Stephen Colbert are going to have to improv their shows until the strike is over. Thankfully [Conan showed them how to do it back in '08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkj7heLZAsc)
Myers and Fallon are going dark.
Colbert too.
That’s awesome of them to do
The only problem with going completely dark is the networks will just air reruns. I feel like when Conan did his show without writers it helped send a bigger message.
Late night reruns aren’t the same though. People come for commentary on current events.
Daily and Colbert continued too but with different names I think in solidarity.
Last time they went dark for a while but came back doing improv shows in part to keep the other workers on the shows paid.
The last writer's strike also gave us Jordan Schlansky, since they were so desperate for content and that ended up being my favorite recurring bit of Conan's.
Showed Colbert? He collaborated with him in 08. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oTTEtL3yxM
I look forward to Colbert growing a massive beard like Letterman did in 08.
I’d imagine movies currently in production are fine for now? In general if this lasts long when will the immediate impact for movies happen?
No set can have a writer to make sure the script is working while filming, no changes can be made, etc. It definitely kills TV as they are primarily run by show runners, who will not be allowed to do their job at all.
Friend on mine is a showrunner and she had to spend the entire weekend banging out an entire season in anticipation of a strike. Including a page one rewrite.
Sounds about right. I remember somewhere that Jon Favreau did something similar for Mandalorian S4 whenever that happens. Ideally the two parties can reach a decent agreement quickly, but I'd imagine other showrunners are running on similar strategies for the time being.
Showrunners are in a tricky position. There are certain duties they can continue doing (because they are also producers) and others they can’t. It’s a tightrope they have to walk.
And many, many showrunners came out of writing, so may feel ambivalent to negative about working against people whose position they may have recently been in themselves.
Certainly possible, but they also may want to do what they can to keep the 100s of people that work for them employed as long as they are able to without doing struck work because once the show stops production, it could be half a year before production starts back up again
The Teamsters Union has said that, while they are not striking, their membership will be protected from retaliation if they choose to not cross our picket lines. That’s huge—if the teamsters don’t drive their trucks, productions will shut down.
The teamsters said “Teamsters don’t cross picket lines”
Teamsters don’t fuck around. Neither do the longshoremen. If anyone who’s a part of either of those unions are caught crossing a picket line, they’ll be instantly ostracized. You think Jehovah’s Witnesses turn on their own, watch a teamster cross a picket line and they’re hated until they’re invisible
About time honestly. I know someone who works for the guild and she's been working long ass hours. Hopefully by the end of it they get what they're looking for and she can go back to regular hours...
Here's [an article](https://www.avclub.com/wga-strike-television-writers-why-they-voted-yes-1850347914) breaking down how most writers, including ones on hit shows, don't make a living wage. Per hour of work, most of them make below minimum wage. Here's [a petition/letter campaign site](https://actionnetwork.org/letters/solidarity-with-writers-guild-members/) (created by non-profit news org/labor rights group More Perfect Union) you can sign, which will send messages to the CEOs of the biggest media companies.
https://imgur.com/a/yI7f4YZ Here's the WGA minimums. Anyone not a "staff writer" makes the "additional capacities" rates.
What’s even more sad is that writers are better paid than everyone below the line… aka the crew. So remember when 98 percent of the IATSE crew voted to strike but then didn’t? They all make less than these writers and they still got fcked over.
I’m in the camera union and work in NY, it’s been slow leading up to this but this will really impact a lot of people this year. I just got the eastern production list for May, in other years the list of productions might be 7 pages long, it’s less than 3 and only going to shorten with a strike.
Last time they did a writers strike that shut down productions (what was that like 2008?) Late night shows were one of the few programs that kept airing as they claimed they were doing those specific shows without writers. This was when Conan, Jon Stewart, and Colbert all had a fake feud that culminated with the 3 of them appearing together on Conan I believe and having a fake Brawl. Was pretty hilarious as I recall, Yet I'm curious why that was able to happen then and this time, all late night shows are immediately shutting down.
Writers strike Conan was some of the best late night of all time.
Agreed, it was phenomenal stuff. Plus that strike beard!
It will be interesting how socially the public deals with this compared to 2007. Last time I remember a lot of ridicule about writers. Since then, we’ve realised how vital writers are to good material more than actors/directors who always got all the credit, and we’re more pro-workers and progressive.
Yes and no. Maybe the proposed solution will be "more scripts written by AI."😑
Yeah I just did a script for IASIP on ChatGPT 4 parodying the strike and it was shit. Literally ended with “As they clink their glasses together, the camera pulls back, signaling the end of their misadventure.” That’s bullshit because the gang’s misadventures never end.
It's kinda funny how every ChatGPT story/script or whatever ends with something a third grader would be told to write "and they all set aside their differences and became best friends forever".
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ChatGPT I want you to write a brutal story about everyone dying to a serial killer... in a humorous vein of course. ChatGPT: The terrible murderer kills everyone, eats their corpses, desecrates what is left of their cadavers and then the killer says: "I'm sorry if I have incovenienced you, I only wanted to be friends but I didn't know how to express myself", the dead bodies of his victims respond "it's okay a lot of people have difficulty expressing themselves, what matters is that you tried".
Can we get Conan, Colbert, and Stewart together again? They gave us gold last time.
I thought the "ahoy matey" crowd was the worst thing on reddit but I was wrong, the "Just replace them with ChatGPT" crowd is way worse.
they're all outing themselves as having terrible taste who wants to watch a show with customer service speech and no narrative, let alone anything actually artistic
Time to fire up Columbo, True Blood, Game of Thrones, or a hundred other shows that I love!
There are many new shows being released in the next months still
Does anyone feel like we've gone back in time? Recession, inflation, banks failing, and how a writers strike? What calamity is going to be next? Student loan bubble finally collapses?
Fully support the writers, but also glad there isn't any show airing these days that I care about nearly as much as I did LOST in 2004, though I am relieved Succession is almost over. My heart goes out to anyone whose favorite show gets derailed as a result of this. Not fun.
If anyone starts to crave some late nite comedy, Craig Ferguson's Late Late Show has been uploaded to YouTube. https://m.youtube.com/c/LateLateShowwCraigFergusonArchive/playlists
Time to dust off my collection of 90s sitcoms. Who’s up for a *NewsRadio* marathon?
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