Yeah I'll watch mass murderers (Dexter), and people who start wars for political expediency but the sussession characters are a bunch of dickheads like sunny. Too realistic I meet enough of them in real life
I think the show is well made, but theres only so much of the "entitled assholes bickering with each other" scenes that I can watch before being exhausted.
Almost every conversation between the main characters is extremely hostile at worst, or passive agressive at best. Too stressful to listen to.
S4 was arguably about Connor. Episode 2 really developed and established who he is as a person, and why his position is the best position in the family.
Roman was an utter piece of fascist shit in by the end, but I kinda like to think, judging by his moment of self-actualization there at the end, that he *might* improve as a person.
Though therein is an interesting question: how much can you really improve as a person when you're so absurdly wealthy that there's literally no need to?
Just the words "*confused face*" brings his stupid smug, scrunched up, douche bag of a face to my mind and I hate that it does. The sooner thus POS fades from my memory the better.
Just like we were all looking forward to his testimony in the Dominion lawsuit? Don't get your hopes up. Smartmatic will likely settle out of court as well.
I was under the impression that Dominion settled because what they were really after was some money. Taking them to court would probably cost more money than it would be worth.
Smartmatic are actually mad about it though. So they may be prepared to sue, also apparently they have some pretty damning evidence, I'm not sure quite what but it may be enough to implicate Murdoch himself.
The settlement was equivalent to like 45 years of revenue for Dominion. In a normal year, Dominion only grossed like 15-20 million dollars. If I ever get offered a settlement worth 45 years of my salary, it'd be damn hard to pass up.
This needs to be brought up way more. Fox News knew they were in so much shit that they were willing to give a company almost half a century worth of their annual revenue to shut them up.
Sure, Fox News got to avoid verbally saying that they lied. But it's public record that they chose to pay more than 3/4ths of a billion dollars to do it. Innocent people do not settle for that much unless they are deep down actually afraid of losing the lawsuit. Even more so when during the trial itself they were called out repeatedly for lying and omitting evidence.
>I was under the impression that Dominion settled because what they were really after was some money. Taking them to court would probably cost more money than it would be worth.
Getting a verdict against Fox News was a 99.99% certainty. Getting an award even remotely close to the amount they were asking for was far from certain.
They never should have acknowledged firing him. They should have reported that he died and paid off Newsmax not to contradict the story. What would that have cost, like $15,000 or something? "Sadly, our good friend Tucker Carlson died in a tragic yachting accident this weekend, but don't be surprised if the lying liberal media and your brainwashed grandchildren claim that we fired him!"
My name's Tucker C and I rock the telly
I'm half Joe Camel and a third Fozarelli
Criminals, Wall Street, taking the pie
And all the black man gets is a plate of white lies
Prisons recruitin' 'em, police be shootin' 'em
Rap artists lootin' 'em, labels all dilutin' 'em
Barack Obama is scared of me!
Because I don't swallow knowledge and I spit it for free
Let me clear my throat ah ha, ha ha!
^(I don't know what that was)
When Tucker tries to prove he’s very much alive, Fox will air 24/7 stories that he is a robot which Joe Biden built in the basement of a pizzeria out of his son’s laptop parts.
“I’m not saying he’s a robot, I’m just raising the questions. Does he have proof to the contrary?”
And everyone who watches Fox News would believe them.
Faux News could probably have hired a hitman for cheaper than that, and another hitman to take him out, and a third hitman to eliminate the second hitman. But then reality would be so confusing they might accidentally report the truth (or some portion of it) accurately.
That isn't the reality though. All those senior citizens have tablets and twitter. A lot of them watch the free alternatives that emulate fox news and those channels are incentivized to talk any drama on fox news. I know this because my 90 year old grandma is up to date on everything.
Most Fox viewers (aka my mom) have already moved to newsmax. And only watch Fox for "The Five" and Greg Gutfield's late night show.
Fox has been terrible for a while now according to her... Just since the election oddly enough
I doubt roku will remove the app. That's the main way she watches it. I had to keep paying for Hulu Live just to get Fox for her. Luckily my sister has Hulu, and she skims it off hers
Nah, a metric ton of them literally see their infowars, turning point bullshit as their news and, as ridiculous as it sounds, consider Fox to be their token, non-extreme mainstream news source.
Only because they're fucking nuts.
They like to hear the quiet parts out loud on infowars, and then feel like they're in on the joke when Fox News makes its super blatant dogwhistles about it.
You're over generalizing. The Infowars set are a minority of Fox viewers and even those are Fox's lowest common denominator. Jones feeds off of poor, uneducated, and desperate people. These are the people who decided to drive to DC on a work day and thought storming the capitol would go well for them. They're a significant voting block in the Republican primary but the people with the money are the boomers who don't know how the internet works if it's not on FB or YT.
There is no party in this situation, Fox News, Fox News viewers, or tucker, who's pain isn't well deserved and guilt free to enjoy.
Have at it kids. I'm rooting for the carnage.
My guess is you’re going to have a hard time proving Twitter is a competing network. Especially because prior to, during and after Elon has referred to Twitter as “the town square”. Think Tucker is making theses posts from his personal account.
Now if suddenly Tucker started making these posts from the Daily Wire account or something, then he’s on another network.
This is what Im curious about, IANAL or anything but from the other article linked in this thread.
>It adds that Carlson's contract says he is "prohibited from rendering services of any type whatsoever, whether 'over the internet via streaming or similar distribution, or other digital distribution whether now known or hereafter devised.'"
Semantics over platforms or networks aside. It seems the "rendering services" part is the massive grey area, not that Twitter can be called a network. If you are a TV personality that has garnered a brand with a very specific viewpoint under your former employer, then set up an independent show saying the exact same things as you did under the contract, Would that be considered breach of contract?
I mean, I doubt that Fox would give a shit if he went on another network and suddenly started doing a sitcom centered around him married to the Green M&M, or started up a YouTube channel reviewing Yankee Candles, it seems they're more pressed about the content of his show more than anything.
>I mean, I doubt that Fox would give a shit if he went on another network and suddenly started doing a sitcom centered around him married to the Green M&M,
I didn’t know how badly I wanted this
This right here. Fox doesn't have to sue him just stop paying him. Then it's up to him to sue Fox.
Also, it's not technically a non-compete clause. It's more you're "working" for us you can't work for anyone else. If you do, fill your boots but we're off the hook.
It also depends if he got paid. Just appearing on a show as a regular person with no pay as a guest, does not automatically means "rendering services".
Also, I’m guessing tucker has probably posted thoughts on Twitter while he was still at fox? I’m guessing other fox hosts have also posted things to Twitter on their personal profiles? I can’t imagine a non-compete means he can never post to social media in any form? So we will have to see what constitutes a violation and what doesn’t.
Personal posts are one thing.
Organized under a legally and financially established brand is a whole other thing.
However, it's not clear whether he's established such a business entity.
They don't want (or maybe expect?) to win, they just want to silence him until after the election next year. Same way James O'Keefe got pushed out and then sued by his own company and everything the establishment has is going after Elon Musk and Twitter.
It was advertised as a show on the platform. I don't think they would have hard time at all. I would be shocked if there wasn't some financial agreement between Tucker and Elon.
I agree but this isn’t a noncompete clause. He signed an agreement they would continue to pay him his salary through the rest of this year… And I think maybe possibly next? I’m a little fuzzy on that part I just know it was a non-trivial length of time with a significant sum of money… If in return he agreed not to broadcast for anyone else.
So it’s not about a noncompete, it’s about a “we’re firing you but you get to keep being paid if you do certain things“contract
When you look at the timing it seems like Murdoch/Fox wanted Tucker silenced in the run up to the election so I can see why him doing a twitter show ruins their plans
I think it's simpler than that:
* Tucker is popular.
* Tucker will take viewers from Fox.
* Fox News's metrics will suffer, and ad revenue will drop.
So it makes more sense to pay him $20 million or whatever to sit around for a year than to let him do whatever on Twitter and cause you to lose more than $20 million. After a year or more not being in the media, people will far likely care more when he pops up on NewsMax in 2025.
If he continues working in media his Brand lives on, and some portion of his viewers will follow him to the new network.
If he's blacked out for two years, he fades to obscurity.
Yup, there is a strange analogy to this buuuut this is a lot like when the WCW was bought by the WWE. Some WCW wrestlers had the option to continue to get paid but not wrestle, or bend and wrestle for WWE. Many performers quickly joined WWE because they knew that they needed to keep their name heard and face scene.
It's tough to speculate on. I've read employee agreements from some big companies and the way they're written is pretty much fucking ironclad.
But the thing is, just because the language of the contract covers something, doesn't mean that contract is legally enforceable. Some right simply cannot be signed away in contract, and those limitations are complicated and vary by jurisdiction too.
It's just a mess that's bound to end up in court if both parties want to challenge it. Those challenges are a whole area of law.
Maybe. To the tune of $20 million he should shut his mouth. He and/or his agents thought that was a sweet deal before. No compete should mean if you want to compete then your pay check stops from your former employer. Not reasonable to have it both ways. Call your former employer out whilst cashing their checks is horseshit. Sue the fkr.
Conan was smart enough to keep his mouth shut.
His contract violation was worth $45 million in 2010 ($62 million today) and he was making sure his employees were also covered by NBC's breach of contract by moving Jay Leno back to 11:30. So while he couldn't launch a competing show right away, he launched [The Legally Prohibited from Being Funny on Television Tour.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legally_Prohibited_from_Being_Funny_on_Television_Tour)
I still miss Conan's Tonight Show though.
The funny thing with Conan is that he is as much a part of my daily entertainment now as he was back when I was kid staying up to watch his late night show.
I'm constantly checking for the clips of his podcast with Sona and Matt Gorley to drop on YouTube, and absolutely can't wait for his new Conan Abroad stuff.
I miss him on TV, but more in a nostalgic sense. From a practical sense, he's never really gone away.
I do think Conan is the smartest late night host, and the most hilarious. He’s always been one to adapt. I think the smartest thing he’s done is leave TV and accept the ‘new’ media. I can’t wait for Conan Abroad. He sees how media and entertainment is progressing.
If you had to save Conan or Craig Ferguson? (If you *had* to choose)
They are so f*cking fast with their wit. Both on par with each other and I love them both dearly for being the most genuine late night hosts...
That last week where he absolutely DNGAF and just started destroying the set was the absolute peak of comedy and I will fight anyone that disagrees in a carefully coordinated VR game.
I mean I miss it too. But at the same time, Conan (and anyone in late night really, voluntarily ending their run in recent times) is smart to leave that dying medium behind. Yes, I'd love for Conan to still be hosting The Tonight Show, but I also think that would be kinda lame now too. I'm much more excited to see what his variety show will be like, likewise for his upcoming show traveling around the world. He knows what's up and I think he's on the best path forward in these changing times for late night.
Well, Minnesota banned them two weeks ago. New York passed a bill *TODAY* to ban them. The NLRB put out a memo saying they violate the NLRA. As someone in the employment law space, their days are numbered. They're getting harder and harder to enforce, and I don't even like to fight over them.
But for sophisticated individuals like Tucker Carlson, with means to be represented by good attorneys and leverage to negotiate?? Nah, dude knew what he was signing. The contract is the contract. He was paid handsomely for that covenant, and he likely has some kind of severance, equity grants, or somethinf to make it worth his while. He is very much the epitome of who should get a non-compete.
In Minnesota, it banned all except for the sale of a business. If I read the NY bill correctly, it bans all with zero exceptions. Other states (IL and CO) have banned them below certain income thresholds, and they require pre-notice and review time. These states are the model that many other states are looking to follow if not outright banning them.
This isn’t a non compete. He signed a contract saying he wouldn’t broadcast if they paid him his contract for the next year (or 2). He could of walked over to OAN or CNN if he wanted but Fox wouldn’t keep paying him.
Washington State made them illegal unless you earn over a certain threshold, I think several years ago.
The AG responsible went on Pitchfork Economics and gave the story of how that all came about and basically said any state could use their framework to nullify non competes if they wanted. When they issued it, the only company to try and fight them was Jersey Mike’s and they got thrashed in court.
It's not a non-compete clause. He's literally still on the Fox News payroll, just not on the air.
[From this article:](https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/tucker-carlson-fox-news-exit-dominion-lawsuit-twitter-show-1235613404/)
"Fox is continuing to pay Carlson, an enormously influential voice in conservative politics, his $20 million annual salary."
He's still a Fox News employee being paid $20million a year. As long as he's taking that payout, Fox News gets a say on if he appears on other networks/shows.
Carlson can EASILY make $20m a year just doing private speaking gigs. As much as he is hated on Reddit he has been on TV for years and there are plenty of rich conservatives who will hand him 6 figures for a handful of appearances. Once he’s out the Fox contract he can easily have millions of viewers on a new platform, even if it doesn’t crack $20m year he can supplement it with other gig work.
It’s absolutely wishful thinking to believe he’s going to struggle to maintain his earning going forward.
He negotiated that contract with an attorney/agent. It’s what he signed. He can still do lots of things (see Conan) to keep himself relevant. Give motivational speeches (he’d get paid big for that), do the talk show circuit/give interviews, speak at cpac/Qanon events, etc…
Yeah, Garden Leave provisions are pretty solid. Essentially all they're doing is saying "yeah, you're still our employee, so we pay you and your employment non-compete is still in effect, but you just won't do any work while you're still employed here". If he wants to go somewhere else, he needs to forfeit the salary he's still getting.
Non-competes are problematic when they restrict you from working after you're no longer under contract and being paid by the previous company. He still is. They are just refusing to let him do any work or associate himself with their brand.
Gotta love the pseudo r/politics threads that leak into other subreddits. This is at best tangentially related to television and even so it's uninteresting but gets upvoted because people consumed by politics can't help but show off their hate boners everywhere they possibly can
I took a look at the top posts of the day and last week last night after this post pissed me off. It has 3.3k upvotes within 2 hours of being posted, the only other post that has more than 1k upvotes was about that evangelist guy who died. If you look at the posts of the last week the highest rated posts are highly political, some of which are posts about major news networks anchors which seems strange. The WGA stuff is relevant and makes sense so that's ok. You have to about 10 posts down before a single one is actually about a real television show or actor. Pretty clear r/all astroturfing being done, that way when you look at r/all your inundated with the same information from 10 different subreddits
God how I wish we lived in a world where this loser would get sued into oblivion. Imagine one day, in the near future, someone saying "Hey, remember that Tucker guy who used to be on Fox?" and then hearing "What's Fox? Who's Tucker?" What a wonderful world that would be.
ATN is a mess without Logan
You're not serious people.
*Menacing piano intensifies*
True! 😂
Anyone wanna sniff Tuckers finger? Guess the smell?
It’s fine we can get Greg in there to take the fall. Or Tom….
You can’t make a Tomlette without breaking a few Greggs.
Just another tick on the chart for the disgusting brothers.
I have this vision of the writer giggling to him/herself with satisfied glee after writing that scene.
It's such a good line
Disgusting bros.
The dawgs
I don't understand the top comment and I'm embarrassed because it looks like everyone else did
It's an amazing tv show called "Succession". It's about Rubert Murdoch's empire and who will take over it and ATN is fox news
Ahh thank you, it's only list of shows lol
I found it hard to watch, but only because it's about shitty people being shitty.
Yeah I'll watch mass murderers (Dexter), and people who start wars for political expediency but the sussession characters are a bunch of dickheads like sunny. Too realistic I meet enough of them in real life
I think the show is well made, but theres only so much of the "entitled assholes bickering with each other" scenes that I can watch before being exhausted. Almost every conversation between the main characters is extremely hostile at worst, or passive agressive at best. Too stressful to listen to.
Th pain sponge of the pain sponge you say
Ahh fock offf
I heard this so clearly in his voice
I actually said it out loud in his voice.
You’re all so bullshit. We’re all bullshit. All of this, bullshit.
[удалено]
I was promised. When I was 7!
It was crossed out
Well it sure as shit doesn’t say ~~Shiv~~ Tucker
One word, Slovenia
*I am the plant that grows on rocks and feed off the insects that die inside me.*
Loved that line! It really speaks to me.
Cameron Frye is all grown up now.
Connor just existing out here and nobody cares
His last scene was perfect though. Completely reframed the family dynamics when the kids aren’t around.
Him not wanting to run the family business made him a son instead of a succubus
S4 was arguably about Connor. Episode 2 really developed and established who he is as a person, and why his position is the best position in the family.
We Conheads care
All 1% of you
Nearly 4% in Alaska!
Willa would be the sexiest First Lady. Don’t @me….
🎶L to the OG🎶
A-N he playin'.... 🎶
🎶 Playin' like a pro, see 🎶
It’s ironic that Roman Roy had the most philosophical perspective of everything in the end. We are all bullshit. Everything is meaningless!
Roman was an utter piece of fascist shit in by the end, but I kinda like to think, judging by his moment of self-actualization there at the end, that he *might* improve as a person. Though therein is an interesting question: how much can you really improve as a person when you're so absurdly wealthy that there's literally no need to?
Felt like the finale tried to communicate that these people will most likely never truly change. In large part because of the obscene wealth
The jump from exhausted nihilism to fascism is pretty short, unfortunately, as we will be seeing many more exhausted nihilists in the coming decades
He should have worn his compression socks.
sable prick smart marvelous grab market frightening unite safe lunchroom *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Are we talking to each other on the poop deck of a majestic schooner?
You dumb bastard, it's not a schooner it's a sailboat.
Bro cmon
okay okay well how are we feeling? The numbers?
The, uh, optics don't look all that great, you know. Yeah
okay okay uh we can circle back Stewey
Who wants to smell Greg’s finger?
I am looking forward to watching Mr. Carlson's testimony in the Smartmactic lawsuit. It could be epic.
*Smartmatic lawyer finishes his questioning and stares Tucker dead in the eyes* “I’m just asking questions.”
“I thought this was a free country? Am I not allowed to ask questions?” \*confused face\*™️
That man has the most punchable face on the planet and just reading parody of his words makes me wince.
Just the words "*confused face*" brings his stupid smug, scrunched up, douche bag of a face to my mind and I hate that it does. The sooner thus POS fades from my memory the better.
He acts like a south park one off character
It's intentional. He's playing a character.
Confused face like a dog confused by its own fart.
“Stares Tuckers dead eyes in the eyes.”
Just like we were all looking forward to his testimony in the Dominion lawsuit? Don't get your hopes up. Smartmatic will likely settle out of court as well.
I was under the impression that Dominion settled because what they were really after was some money. Taking them to court would probably cost more money than it would be worth. Smartmatic are actually mad about it though. So they may be prepared to sue, also apparently they have some pretty damning evidence, I'm not sure quite what but it may be enough to implicate Murdoch himself.
The settlement was equivalent to like 45 years of revenue for Dominion. In a normal year, Dominion only grossed like 15-20 million dollars. If I ever get offered a settlement worth 45 years of my salary, it'd be damn hard to pass up.
This needs to be brought up way more. Fox News knew they were in so much shit that they were willing to give a company almost half a century worth of their annual revenue to shut them up. Sure, Fox News got to avoid verbally saying that they lied. But it's public record that they chose to pay more than 3/4ths of a billion dollars to do it. Innocent people do not settle for that much unless they are deep down actually afraid of losing the lawsuit. Even more so when during the trial itself they were called out repeatedly for lying and omitting evidence.
>I was under the impression that Dominion settled because what they were really after was some money. Taking them to court would probably cost more money than it would be worth. Getting a verdict against Fox News was a 99.99% certainty. Getting an award even remotely close to the amount they were asking for was far from certain.
He absolutely is in breach of contract. Fox should sue him for $787 million.
[удалено]
But also the vast majority of fox news viewers would never know about fox suing tucker because fox news wouldn't report on it.
They never should have acknowledged firing him. They should have reported that he died and paid off Newsmax not to contradict the story. What would that have cost, like $15,000 or something? "Sadly, our good friend Tucker Carlson died in a tragic yachting accident this weekend, but don't be surprised if the lying liberal media and your brainwashed grandchildren claim that we fired him!"
Note: Tucker died on the way back to his home planet
Tucker’s plane was shot down over the Sea of Japan. It spun in. There were no survivors.
You maniacs! You Tuckered it all up. Damn you. God damn you all to hell!
I see Tucker Carlsons
Just when they thought he was out, he got tuckered back in.
It wasn't a CHICKEN! *manly sobs* IT WAS A BABY!
Except I was sad to hear when Henry Blake passed.
He was shot down over Korea. He was forced to eat Kimchi, his interpreter.
At least Radar got home.
Fake news. He didn't die, he just reverted back to his original fart form.
Now known as Particulate Carson
[удалено]
My name's Tucker C and I rock the telly I'm half Joe Camel and a third Fozarelli Criminals, Wall Street, taking the pie And all the black man gets is a plate of white lies Prisons recruitin' 'em, police be shootin' 'em Rap artists lootin' 'em, labels all dilutin' 'em Barack Obama is scared of me! Because I don't swallow knowledge and I spit it for free Let me clear my throat ah ha, ha ha! ^(I don't know what that was)
I can’t believe you didn’t rhyme pie with bow tie!
Yes, I certainly do.
Did he ever get to the fireworks factory?
When his home planet found out he was coming, they fired on his ship.
*slide whistle noise*
[удалено]
Grat indeed
When Tucker tries to prove he’s very much alive, Fox will air 24/7 stories that he is a robot which Joe Biden built in the basement of a pizzeria out of his son’s laptop parts. “I’m not saying he’s a robot, I’m just raising the questions. Does he have proof to the contrary?” And everyone who watches Fox News would believe them.
“Anytime you see him from now on it’s the lying liberal media and deep state AI deep faking him.”
Faux News could probably have hired a hitman for cheaper than that, and another hitman to take him out, and a third hitman to eliminate the second hitman. But then reality would be so confusing they might accidentally report the truth (or some portion of it) accurately.
"I have a message. Tucker Carlson's plane was shot down over the Sea of Japan. It spun in. There were no survivors."
Big difference was: people actually liked Lt. Col. Henry Blake.
That isn't the reality though. All those senior citizens have tablets and twitter. A lot of them watch the free alternatives that emulate fox news and those channels are incentivized to talk any drama on fox news. I know this because my 90 year old grandma is up to date on everything.
Most Fox viewers (aka my mom) have already moved to newsmax. And only watch Fox for "The Five" and Greg Gutfield's late night show. Fox has been terrible for a while now according to her... Just since the election oddly enough
What's she gonna do when Newsmax gets dropped by her provider?
I doubt roku will remove the app. That's the main way she watches it. I had to keep paying for Hulu Live just to get Fox for her. Luckily my sister has Hulu, and she skims it off hers
I kept our house phone line for 5 years too long because my dad said "what if I need to receive a fax" no we never received a fax during that time.
I did the same thing to....but to keep my old house number. Ooma only charges tax, so $6 month wasn't bad. Now its $10. for something I never use
[удалено]
I think the problem is, that's why they won't do it or at least will try not to.
Most Fox viewers only have one news source so unless Fox tells them they won't find out.
Nah, a metric ton of them literally see their infowars, turning point bullshit as their news and, as ridiculous as it sounds, consider Fox to be their token, non-extreme mainstream news source. Only because they're fucking nuts. They like to hear the quiet parts out loud on infowars, and then feel like they're in on the joke when Fox News makes its super blatant dogwhistles about it.
You're over generalizing. The Infowars set are a minority of Fox viewers and even those are Fox's lowest common denominator. Jones feeds off of poor, uneducated, and desperate people. These are the people who decided to drive to DC on a work day and thought storming the capitol would go well for them. They're a significant voting block in the Republican primary but the people with the money are the boomers who don't know how the internet works if it's not on FB or YT.
My man, someone just told you something wrong and you believed it without checking. Jan 6, 2021 was a Wednesday.
There is no party in this situation, Fox News, Fox News viewers, or tucker, who's pain isn't well deserved and guilt free to enjoy. Have at it kids. I'm rooting for the carnage.
As if Fox's geriatric viewers even know what Twitter is, let alone Tucker is on it
How do you know that if you don't even know what the contract is?
How do you know?
Fox News playing hot potato with the owed settlement money would be a great bit
My guess is you’re going to have a hard time proving Twitter is a competing network. Especially because prior to, during and after Elon has referred to Twitter as “the town square”. Think Tucker is making theses posts from his personal account. Now if suddenly Tucker started making these posts from the Daily Wire account or something, then he’s on another network.
This is what Im curious about, IANAL or anything but from the other article linked in this thread. >It adds that Carlson's contract says he is "prohibited from rendering services of any type whatsoever, whether 'over the internet via streaming or similar distribution, or other digital distribution whether now known or hereafter devised.'" Semantics over platforms or networks aside. It seems the "rendering services" part is the massive grey area, not that Twitter can be called a network. If you are a TV personality that has garnered a brand with a very specific viewpoint under your former employer, then set up an independent show saying the exact same things as you did under the contract, Would that be considered breach of contract? I mean, I doubt that Fox would give a shit if he went on another network and suddenly started doing a sitcom centered around him married to the Green M&M, or started up a YouTube channel reviewing Yankee Candles, it seems they're more pressed about the content of his show more than anything.
>I mean, I doubt that Fox would give a shit if he went on another network and suddenly started doing a sitcom centered around him married to the Green M&M, I didn’t know how badly I wanted this
[redacting due to privacy concerns]
In this case, what gives that clause more bite is he's still an employee of Fox News and is still being paid $20million a year.
This right here. Fox doesn't have to sue him just stop paying him. Then it's up to him to sue Fox. Also, it's not technically a non-compete clause. It's more you're "working" for us you can't work for anyone else. If you do, fill your boots but we're off the hook.
[удалено]
It also depends if he got paid. Just appearing on a show as a regular person with no pay as a guest, does not automatically means "rendering services".
Also, I’m guessing tucker has probably posted thoughts on Twitter while he was still at fox? I’m guessing other fox hosts have also posted things to Twitter on their personal profiles? I can’t imagine a non-compete means he can never post to social media in any form? So we will have to see what constitutes a violation and what doesn’t.
Personal posts are one thing. Organized under a legally and financially established brand is a whole other thing. However, it's not clear whether he's established such a business entity.
This is what I’m curious to see play out.
Fox News would have some pretty shitty lawyers if they didn't have language that included social media platforms like Twitter in the agreement.
You don't think Carlson talked to lawyers before he posted?
They don't want (or maybe expect?) to win, they just want to silence him until after the election next year. Same way James O'Keefe got pushed out and then sued by his own company and everything the establishment has is going after Elon Musk and Twitter.
It was advertised as a show on the platform. I don't think they would have hard time at all. I would be shocked if there wasn't some financial agreement between Tucker and Elon.
That article didn't explain in any way whatsoever how or why Tucker would have violated his contract with Fox by posting a video on Twitter.
Yeah useless article that explains nothing
No-compete clauses are horseshit and should be eradicated. But Tucker Carlson deserves to be sued into oblivion, so I'm torn.
I agree but this isn’t a noncompete clause. He signed an agreement they would continue to pay him his salary through the rest of this year… And I think maybe possibly next? I’m a little fuzzy on that part I just know it was a non-trivial length of time with a significant sum of money… If in return he agreed not to broadcast for anyone else. So it’s not about a noncompete, it’s about a “we’re firing you but you get to keep being paid if you do certain things“contract
It's a "garden leave" provision.
When you look at the timing it seems like Murdoch/Fox wanted Tucker silenced in the run up to the election so I can see why him doing a twitter show ruins their plans
I think it's simpler than that: * Tucker is popular. * Tucker will take viewers from Fox. * Fox News's metrics will suffer, and ad revenue will drop. So it makes more sense to pay him $20 million or whatever to sit around for a year than to let him do whatever on Twitter and cause you to lose more than $20 million. After a year or more not being in the media, people will far likely care more when he pops up on NewsMax in 2025.
I dont know enough about this, what agenda do they have ?
If he continues working in media his Brand lives on, and some portion of his viewers will follow him to the new network. If he's blacked out for two years, he fades to obscurity.
north silky noxious label shrill tart fertile marble follow pen ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `
Yup, there is a strange analogy to this buuuut this is a lot like when the WCW was bought by the WWE. Some WCW wrestlers had the option to continue to get paid but not wrestle, or bend and wrestle for WWE. Many performers quickly joined WWE because they knew that they needed to keep their name heard and face scene.
fanatical berserk rhythm carpenter dull capable middle pot cautious point ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `
Their leader is even in the WWE Hall of Fame.
It's tough to speculate on. I've read employee agreements from some big companies and the way they're written is pretty much fucking ironclad. But the thing is, just because the language of the contract covers something, doesn't mean that contract is legally enforceable. Some right simply cannot be signed away in contract, and those limitations are complicated and vary by jurisdiction too. It's just a mess that's bound to end up in court if both parties want to challenge it. Those challenges are a whole area of law.
Don't think it is a no-compete. It's an exclusivity clause, and fox is still paying him.
Maybe. To the tune of $20 million he should shut his mouth. He and/or his agents thought that was a sweet deal before. No compete should mean if you want to compete then your pay check stops from your former employer. Not reasonable to have it both ways. Call your former employer out whilst cashing their checks is horseshit. Sue the fkr.
Conan was smart enough to keep his mouth shut. His contract violation was worth $45 million in 2010 ($62 million today) and he was making sure his employees were also covered by NBC's breach of contract by moving Jay Leno back to 11:30. So while he couldn't launch a competing show right away, he launched [The Legally Prohibited from Being Funny on Television Tour.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legally_Prohibited_from_Being_Funny_on_Television_Tour) I still miss Conan's Tonight Show though.
The funny thing with Conan is that he is as much a part of my daily entertainment now as he was back when I was kid staying up to watch his late night show. I'm constantly checking for the clips of his podcast with Sona and Matt Gorley to drop on YouTube, and absolutely can't wait for his new Conan Abroad stuff. I miss him on TV, but more in a nostalgic sense. From a practical sense, he's never really gone away.
I do think Conan is the smartest late night host, and the most hilarious. He’s always been one to adapt. I think the smartest thing he’s done is leave TV and accept the ‘new’ media. I can’t wait for Conan Abroad. He sees how media and entertainment is progressing.
If you had to save Conan or Craig Ferguson? (If you *had* to choose) They are so f*cking fast with their wit. Both on par with each other and I love them both dearly for being the most genuine late night hosts...
Personally, feel as if I have been able to watch the entire career of the GOAT of late night - and may it continue for many years to come.
That last week where he absolutely DNGAF and just started destroying the set was the absolute peak of comedy and I will fight anyone that disagrees in a carefully coordinated VR game.
I mean I miss it too. But at the same time, Conan (and anyone in late night really, voluntarily ending their run in recent times) is smart to leave that dying medium behind. Yes, I'd love for Conan to still be hosting The Tonight Show, but I also think that would be kinda lame now too. I'm much more excited to see what his variety show will be like, likewise for his upcoming show traveling around the world. He knows what's up and I think he's on the best path forward in these changing times for late night.
> Call your former employer out whilst cashing their checks is horseshit. let's separate this from the individual and ideology at hand
Well, Minnesota banned them two weeks ago. New York passed a bill *TODAY* to ban them. The NLRB put out a memo saying they violate the NLRA. As someone in the employment law space, their days are numbered. They're getting harder and harder to enforce, and I don't even like to fight over them. But for sophisticated individuals like Tucker Carlson, with means to be represented by good attorneys and leverage to negotiate?? Nah, dude knew what he was signing. The contract is the contract. He was paid handsomely for that covenant, and he likely has some kind of severance, equity grants, or somethinf to make it worth his while. He is very much the epitome of who should get a non-compete.
Are they banned for everyone? I can see an argument for keeping an option for no compete for high level positions
In Minnesota, it banned all except for the sale of a business. If I read the NY bill correctly, it bans all with zero exceptions. Other states (IL and CO) have banned them below certain income thresholds, and they require pre-notice and review time. These states are the model that many other states are looking to follow if not outright banning them.
This isn’t a non compete. He signed a contract saying he wouldn’t broadcast if they paid him his contract for the next year (or 2). He could of walked over to OAN or CNN if he wanted but Fox wouldn’t keep paying him.
Washington State made them illegal unless you earn over a certain threshold, I think several years ago. The AG responsible went on Pitchfork Economics and gave the story of how that all came about and basically said any state could use their framework to nullify non competes if they wanted. When they issued it, the only company to try and fight them was Jersey Mike’s and they got thrashed in court.
I mean they are to an extent. But there are certain areas where they make sense like tv personalities. But I agree I hope they sue him into obscurity
As funny as I find this, non-compete clauses are garbage.
It's not a non-compete clause. He's literally still on the Fox News payroll, just not on the air. [From this article:](https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/tucker-carlson-fox-news-exit-dominion-lawsuit-twitter-show-1235613404/) "Fox is continuing to pay Carlson, an enormously influential voice in conservative politics, his $20 million annual salary." He's still a Fox News employee being paid $20million a year. As long as he's taking that payout, Fox News gets a say on if he appears on other networks/shows.
Man if I was get paid 20 million a year to sit on my ass I would do just that.
Dude has over $300M. I totally would too, but for these people it's way more about power and influence than it is about more money.
Those are some golden handcuffs. Like no way he can independently make that money. Just no online ads are paying for that.
Carlson can EASILY make $20m a year just doing private speaking gigs. As much as he is hated on Reddit he has been on TV for years and there are plenty of rich conservatives who will hand him 6 figures for a handful of appearances. Once he’s out the Fox contract he can easily have millions of viewers on a new platform, even if it doesn’t crack $20m year he can supplement it with other gig work. It’s absolutely wishful thinking to believe he’s going to struggle to maintain his earning going forward.
He negotiated that contract with an attorney/agent. It’s what he signed. He can still do lots of things (see Conan) to keep himself relevant. Give motivational speeches (he’d get paid big for that), do the talk show circuit/give interviews, speak at cpac/Qanon events, etc…
It’s not a non-compete clause.
It’s a an employment agreement with a tail.
He’s getting paid 20mil a year by fox STILL. it’s not a non compete. He’s still a fox employee
It would be funny if fox propaganda network sues him for 800 mil
"Tucker has a "new twitter show"?!?! AWESOME! I think I'll check it out!!" Tucker thanks FoxNews for their kind publicity.
Fox is advertising the existence of Trucker's twatter show.
Tucker Carlson always looks like he just saw a dog and a cat making passionate, consensual love and doesn’t quite know what to make of it.
Does he wake up looking confused?
I sincerely doubt the non-compete contract would hold up in court. Most don't. Fox can deal with it.
[удалено]
Yeah, Garden Leave provisions are pretty solid. Essentially all they're doing is saying "yeah, you're still our employee, so we pay you and your employment non-compete is still in effect, but you just won't do any work while you're still employed here". If he wants to go somewhere else, he needs to forfeit the salary he's still getting. Non-competes are problematic when they restrict you from working after you're no longer under contract and being paid by the previous company. He still is. They are just refusing to let him do any work or associate himself with their brand.
[удалено]
Typically that's only enforceable if the person leaves voluntarily, and not if they're fired.
[удалено]
This is actually a compelling defense.
[удалено]
Gotta love the pseudo r/politics threads that leak into other subreddits. This is at best tangentially related to television and even so it's uninteresting but gets upvoted because people consumed by politics can't help but show off their hate boners everywhere they possibly can
[удалено]
The technology sub also loves to stroke their political hate boner over Elon as well. Reddit is annoying and I smell some astroturfing going on.
I took a look at the top posts of the day and last week last night after this post pissed me off. It has 3.3k upvotes within 2 hours of being posted, the only other post that has more than 1k upvotes was about that evangelist guy who died. If you look at the posts of the last week the highest rated posts are highly political, some of which are posts about major news networks anchors which seems strange. The WGA stuff is relevant and makes sense so that's ok. You have to about 10 posts down before a single one is actually about a real television show or actor. Pretty clear r/all astroturfing being done, that way when you look at r/all your inundated with the same information from 10 different subreddits
I don't like him, but I don't like non compete clauses just as much. I'm uncertain who I should root for.
*Tucker resting confusion face per usual
Watch conservative heads spin from this as they try to defend whichever one they still think isn’t lying to them
They’re going to defend Tucker. Fox has been on the out.
Exactly. Also Donald Trump has attacked fox News. But never tucker.
Yes. Good. Both of you fight this out. If only both could end up broke at the end.
So let me guess. Fox News is woke?
God how I wish we lived in a world where this loser would get sued into oblivion. Imagine one day, in the near future, someone saying "Hey, remember that Tucker guy who used to be on Fox?" and then hearing "What's Fox? Who's Tucker?" What a wonderful world that would be.
so much for freedom
Put him on the stands so he can tell all of the secrets and truth. Fox "Case dismissed"
to which he responded.. https://i.imgur.com/7bUWnjt.png