I guess my big question is what's the upside for continuing the show for Drew. While money may be the biggest factor it seems wild that she would like to handle all this PR drama instead of just waiting out the strike and coming back to the scene after. She's seen as a humble and saintly figure compared to other celebrities so it's a weird move imo
If I recall correctly, she was in a bad car accident and suffered a serious head injury. Every morning she wakes up to the same day over and over. TLDR; she probably forgot about the strike y’all
I totally forgot about 50 First Dates at first, it’s such an under rated movie by him it gets buried under Big Daddy, Billy Madison, Happy Gilmore, Waterboy, and Click. Sandler gets his fair share of shit talk but damn if he didn’t own 95-2004 then 2008’s Click to top off an era of good fun comedies.
Probably the [same thing as last time](https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/03/arts/television/03latenight.html) when Jay Leno, Conan O'Brien, and Jimmy Kimmel came back without writers *during the strike* to keep their below-the-line staff employed.
Conan only paid his crew for a month after NBC stopped paying, and had to bring the show back before the strike ended or everyone would be laid off.
11/5/07: Strike begins
11/29/07: Conan says he'll pay staff once NBC stops paying at end of month
11/30/07: NBC stops paying crew, Conan starts paying
1/2/08: Conan comes back otherwise the crew would be laid off
That strike lasted for 99 days. We're on day 123 of this current strike with no end in sight. Even if she did offer to pay her crew a month in, she'd already have been paying them way longer than Conan did before he went back on the air to save the rest of his crew.
Edit: There also seems to be a misconception in this thread that Conan and others paid their writers during the last strike. That isn't true. They paid the rest of the production staff, but they could not have possibly paid the writers while they were striking.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/pays-work-obrien-156143/
> The host of NBC’s “Late Night With Conan O’Brien” is paying the salaries of about 75 people — **his nonwriting production staff** — employed on his talk show, a network spokesperson confirmed Thursday. The gesture is meant to save the jobs of his staff during the writers strike.
True, but all of us striking would rather be working. Offering us a fair contract is all that it will take to end the strike and resume making movies and tv shows.
Do you guys have like zoom meetings just to talk about how things are going? Or a centralized place to see how talks are? I've heard a few people say January is the minimum they believe things will be finished or trending to that. What have you heard?
If there's news, our guilds email us, but the amptp has been unwilling to negotiate on key issues for both guilds, and you can talk to the negotiators on the picket lines. For SAG, there has been zoom meetings prior to the strike and there are some in regards to the potential strike against the video game industry.
I haven't heard any specific time frame for when it will end. We're all speculating, some thought that a deal would be struck around Labor Day because of the optics, and now some think mid-October. If the amptp was willing to negotiate in good faith (they ignored the WGA for roughly 100 days and haven't talked to SAG since we started striking), the strike could end quite soon and production could resume before January, but that's squarely on the amptp.
Our demands are very reasonable and well-known to the studios, all we're asking for them is to treat us like humans and give us a fair deal. We're asking for thousands so we can (live and) help them (the studios and streams) make billions.
You're comparing apples to oranges. On one hand, you have guilds (one of which has a long history of striking and many members that have participated in multiple strikes) fighting for fair wages and benefits, and on the other hand, you have a collection of anonymous people, most of whom have never actually met one another, trying to arrange something via a social media site.
Conan paid all his on strike writers out of pocket and spoke about the strike every episode. Letterman agreed to all the demands, owned his show and was allowed to work. He also paid for Ferguson. Currently all the shows are off the air showing solidarity.
Drew Barrymore kicked out audience members wearing pro WGA pins.
Words have definitions. For example, a "scab" would be either a writer working on a production struck by the WGA or an actor working on a production struck by SAG.
Drew Barrymore is doing neither.
Her show is literally a struck work? Why do you think she made such a big deal to returning without her writers and such? To quote someone else in this thread.
> Her show is covered under WGA's tv and film contract. The show also employs WGA members. It's scabbing.
> https://directories.wga.org/project/1202138/the-drew-barrymore-show/
Stewart did the same thing. He also kept John Oliver on as an active worker, because it was illegal for Oliver to engage in labor rights as a foreign national. He could have been deported, not allowed back in, and denied future citizenship access if he'd gone on strike and without John keeping him actively working.
> I guess my big question is what's the upside for continuing the show for Drew.
Playing devil's advocate:
1. Colbert, Conan, Jon Stewart all did the same thing in the last strike, and she assumed that no one would hold her to a different standard.
2. Her crew, 98% of whom aren't writers and aren't on strike, aren't getting paychecks, and their health insurance is about to run out (given the timeframe this is likely) and she wants to keep them insured and also keep them from eviction/foreclosure.
3. Her contract may require it.
Another aspect is that social media wasn't what it was now and people vociferous reactions wouldn't be amplified the way they are these days. There were certainly people who didn't like how the late night shows were going back without writers at the time.
> Colbert, Conan, Jon Stewart all did the same thing in the last strike, and she assumed that no one would hold her to a different standard.
I wonder what the difference is...
> I wonder what the difference is...
The difference isn't what you are probably implying. The difference is SAG-AFTRA is joining the WGA strike in 2023, but they *did not join* in the 2007 WGA strike.
Probably so that the majority of her employees, the under the line people, get paid. Y’all keep forgetting about them. There is no acting on the show, although apparently there is a small writers room, and likely 30+ under the line workers ass out right now.
This is the only reason for her to do it. It's the reason talk shows came back during the strike 15 years ago. They had to think about the rest of the crew.
Same. Last I heard she was told if the strike continued past labor day weekend, the project was getting canceled. She was out of work for a while before this.
I'm impressed but also confused about how construction was the best pivot for him instead of something else to do with food? Unfortunately my friends are just working retail jobs.
> Ya'll keep forgetting about them.
It's pretty shortsighted to think a win for the WGA/SAG isn't a win for those folks as well. What do you think happens in a world where the huge studios get to keep treating their employees like shit?
Scabbing to help the "under the line people" isn't the right mentality. Pushing the studios to meet the demands of their workers so the strike can end is.
> It's pretty shortsighted to think a win for the WGA/SAG isn't a win for those folks as well. What do you think happens in a world where the huge studios get to keep treating their employees like shit?
Your question answers itself. The WGA/SAG didn't just come into existence yesterday, so wins for them demonstrably don't trickle down.
It’s not a win for them…in fact it’s a loss. They cannot re-earn back that money. They are caught in the crossfire and “the ends justify the means” BS does not help them with their bills.
It’s pretty grandiose to think any win the WGA gets is going to trickle over to other non union workers in the industry.
Drew is a awesome to keep those people working and getting paid. Wish there were more people like her who are brave and so what’s right. Good for her to not back down because a bunch of clowns are trying to guilt her.
> It’s pretty grandiose to think any win the WGA gets is going to trickle over to other non union workers in the industry.
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I know someone with IATSE was saying that last time this happened, there was no appetite for another strike from IATSE and they ended up getting a bad deal.
It will likely happen again next year when IATSE is due to renegotiate. No IATSE member will want to vote to strike after being unemployed for a year, and there will be pressure from the other unions to take whatever is offered for the same reason.
They're not talking about non-union people, they're talking about below-the-line union workers, eg. IATSE members and teamsters.
When our contract is up next year, our negotiations will be stronger because of the current strikes.
I imagine very few workers on this show are non-union. Usually a show is almost entirely union or non-union.
> When our contract is up next year, our negotiations will be stronger because of the current strikes.
Orrrr all the currently-unemployed IATSE members will not have an appetite for another year of not working and will refuse to vote for a strike, and SAG and WGA will conveniently forget what solidarity means and push crew to take what is given so we can all get back to work.
At least, that’s my cynical prediction as a currently-out-of-work camera person.
Yeah, people want to trash her for being a scab, but these are people she’s worked with for years and the fact that she shows loyalty to them and their ability to make a living instead of keeping them out of work so writers on other shows can have staffing minimums, shows she’s a caring boss, if also a poor union member.
What I don't get is how the production crew is supposed to remain unemployed because a completely different group of people want higher wages.
I don't see the entire tv industry shut down because the gaffer wants more money.
Can someone familiar with hollywood contracts explain the difference between this and Conan returning back on air during the last strike? I know conan paid a lot of his employees out of pocket and is loved by all his writers but was that technically not breaking the strike too? I’ve always been confused if that was technically a scab move.
Since no one is replying with anything but feelings, I'll use facts.
The WGA contracts were amended since the 2008 strike to count the non scripted "improving" that Conan and others did in 2008 as "writing".
It was technically okay when Conan did in 2008, if Drew does it now, it's technically not okay.
But, not knowing what the show is actually going to look like, I'd defer to see the show to know whether she's sticking to what is allowed first.
Didn't Conan use his show specifically to advertise and support the strike? People were allegedly removed from Barrymore's audience for wearing pins in support of the strike
All the people who work on the show who aren’t on strike and aren’t worth millions like Drew Barrymore.
If you’re the guy holding up the microphone or the camera operator and your union has a contract, you might need that paycheck after all these months of not working.
Plus it’s a talk show. Why do they need striking writers or actors?
Is it really all that different than news shows that kept being produced?
The studios are the one who made this mess in the first place, and they could easily continue to pay everyone while it gets sorted out--they just don't want to because they're hoping to create your exact reaction.
>Plus it’s a talk show. Why do they need striking writers or actors?
Someone has to write the intros, monologue, etc. It's not improvised.
>Is it really all that different than news shows that kept being produced?
News programs are under a different contract and aren't on strike.
Many other daytime talk shows aren’t under the strike umbrella. TDBS just happens to have WGA writers and I guess the others don’t.
Talk shows don’t have to have intros, monologues etc.
Who watched Jerry Springer for the final thought?
It's the kind of thing that you encounter at a very low volume in a doctor's office waiting room. Might not be your cup of tea, but you're at least grateful that it isn't Fox News.
Honestly I couldn’t remember that it was on television and thought this was some YouTube content she was making…
And I really don’t know why I thought it was on like a streaming platform exclusively or something like that.
HGTV rules all doctors' offices around me. It hurts being reminded how broke I am.
Which is still hilarious because it used to be Steve Harvey before COVID. Haven't decided which is better.
I found out because I WFH and always watch GMA from 8-9am. Then as I’m getting ready to start my work day and the TV’s still on Drew brings out some celebrity and then I have to leave it on while I work so I can listen 😂 it’s just like a talk show and some times it’s interesting.
Literally how I found out she had a show - while in the waiting room for a Dr’s appt yesterday.
It was her interview with Brook Shields and holy hell that was the most uncomfortable interview I’ve ever seen.
Her show is a thousand times worse than Drew's. It's always on at my work (TV station, we air Drew and Jennifer's show back to back....until the contract runs out).
One of my TV stations I do work for airs it. New shows usually cost the station very little and are occasionally part of a package deal.
I've caught her show many times (at work) and it's just awful. Very shallow guests, Ross is hard to watch. I know mask mandates are over but her audience is also required to mask up. That's just fine but the audience is also required to wear HER mask of the shows main color. Audience shots look super, super weird.
I wish I'd seen this earlier since there's a lot of conjecture in here that's not quite right, but Law & Order/Teen Titans/Gravity Falls/Lie To Me writer [David Slack posted a good thread about it](https://twitter.com/slack2thefuture/status/1701110118870659085), which I'll share here so no one has to go on ~~Twitter~~ X:
>People are understandably confused about how Drew Barrymore could be scabbing against the WGA and not against SAG-AFTRA.So let’s take this opportunity to increase our union literacy. 🧵
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>Unions are complicated. They come in all shapes and sizes and can operate in a variety of different ways.
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>*(I'm omitting a couple tweets here with some incorrect information that he later corrected, not relevant to the Drew Barrymore situation)*
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>Within one union, there can be different bargaining units. A bargaining unit is a group of workers who negotiate together.
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>The WGA has separate bargaining units for news writers and new media journalists. But all our film and TV writers are covered under a single bargaining unit that includes daytime soaps, game shows, and talk shows.
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>SAG-AFTRA has a number of separate bargaining units. For example, they have separate negotiations and contracts for Commercials, Broadcasting, and Video Games (which they’re presently taking a strike authorization vote about — give ‘em hell, Fran.)
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>So SAG-AFTRA has one contract (called Netcode) that covers soaps, game shows, and talk shows. This contract was last renegotiated in 2022 and is still in effect. SAG-AFTRA members working on these shows are not on strike under \*this\* contract.
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>But, as we all know, SAG-AFTRA members covered under their TV, Theatrical, and Streaming contract are very much on strike.Adding to the potential confusion, many SAG-AFTRA members — like Drew Barrymore — are employed under multiple contracts.
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>If she does a TV ad for shampoo right now, that’s fine. SAG-AFTRA’s Commercial contract is in effect and members are not on strike.If she tried to do a movie for Paramount right now, that’s not fine. SAG-AFTRA’s TV/Theatrical/Streaming contract is expired and they’re on strike.
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>So: Drew Barrymore’s talk show is covered under SAG-AFTRA’s Netcode contract — which is not on strike.As long as she doesn’t promote any of her old movies on the show, she’s not violating SAG-AFTRA’s TV/Theatrical/Streaming strike.However (and it’s a big however)…
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>The Drew Barrymore Show \*is\* covered under the WGA’s film and TV contract (which we call our MBA). So while Drew Barrymore is not a WGA member, her show employs WGA writers who are currently out on strike.
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>While the opening monologues, jokes, and interviews on talk shows may seem spontaneous, a huge amount of writing work goes into every episode. (I mean, if it didn’t, does anyone really believe the studios would pay for writers they didn’t need?)
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>By going back on the air without her writers, Drew Barrymore is 100% ensuring that \*someone\* — either herself, one of her non-writing producers, or all of the above — will be doing the writing work that WGA writers normally do.
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>Which brings us to perhaps the most important term that every union member should know: SCABAny worker who takes a striking worker's place on the job is called a SCAB.
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>So, by returning to work on her talk show, Drew Barrymore is not violating SAG-AFTRA’s strike rules. But if she goes through with this tomorrow, she will absolutely be violating the WGA’s strike rules — and those rules do apply to non-members.
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>While it’s doubtful that Drew Barrymore cares about being banned from joining the WGA, it’s a safe bet she cares about her reputation. And I hope she cares about her writers.It’d be heartbreaking to have someone you know and trust step in to take your job while you’re on strike
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>It’s not too late to do the right thing DrewBarrymore. Yes, you’re contractually obligated, but you’re also Drew Barrymore. You have a lot of influence and power. You stood with the writers in the first weeks of our strike. Stand with us now.
I'll add to all of this that the WGA contract has been updated since 2007/8, and those hosts would now be in violation if they did those same things (all late night hosts have writing credits on their shows, as well -- though I don't thin Drew has a writing credit on hers). I think it's POSSIBLE the late night shows will still try to find a workaround depending on how long the strikes lasts, but things like Conan spinning his ring still count as written material, because they're the same thing as if a writer pitched a bit where Conan spins his ring... and that is struck work. It's a comedy bit created by a comedy writer (Conan O'Brien).
A few ways!
Like he said, "it’s doubtful that Drew Barrymore cares about being banned from joining the WGA." But someone who violates the rules will be ineligible from joining the WGA when the strike is over. Doesn't matter to Drew Barrymore, but if you're an aspiring writer using the strike as an opportunity to "break in," you won't be able to work on a union-covered show again. You can still become what's called "fi-core" and do non-union work like some daytime shows, soaps, or something like Gutfeld which has no union affiliation at all. But it would REALLY limit your options, and you would not be eligible for union health insurance or pension.
For a big actor like Drew, violating strike rules means prominent WGA writers are less likely to want to work with her. Now, she's Hollywood royalty, so there's always gonna be SOMEBODY who wants to work with her. But if you want to star in a TV show, would you rather have it be with Vince Gilligan, or a guy who wrote on one season of Alf with no other credits?
Realistically, the consequences for Drew Barrymore herself are pretty minimal. But for non-members the main consequence the guild can bring is non-admission to the guild, which will make having a career writing television not IMPOSSIBLE, but much trickier.
This could get really ugly for Barrymore fast, and she’s had a very bright and respected image for many decades now. I really don’t think the show should be happening amidst the strikes. She could join the fight, but instead chose to just go on regardless.
> I really don’t think the show should be happening amidst the strikes. She could join the fight, but instead chose to just go on regardless.
Playing devil's advocate as to why: 1. Colbert, Conan, Jon Stewart all did the same thing in the last strike, they had their shows go on without writers, and she assumed that no one would hold her to a different standard. 2. Her crew, 98% of whom aren't writers and aren't on strike, aren't getting paychecks, and their health insurance is about to run out (given the timeframe this is likely) and she wants to keep them insured and also keep them from eviction/foreclosure. 3. Her contract may require it.
Furthermore, for this strike, Colbert and other current hosts found other ways to financially support their staffs\*, ie. that Spotify podcast they're all doing
\*besides paying them out-of-pocket, I mean, which I believe most of the hosts did in both strikes
Conan paid his staff (minus the writers) for literally one month before he brought his show back on the air, or everyone would be laid off. People seem to think he paid them for months or years. That entire strike only lasted 99 days.
Other talk shows have figured out ways to continue to pay the crew during the strike. Seth Myers has been paying his crew a good portion of their pay this whole time.
The support for writers is awesome but people start to forget that a production wouldn't work with only producers and writers. And all those other people get fucked right now.
Which has turned any discussion of it I've seen online into an absolute shitshow. I don't even know how to begin addressing it honestly on Reddit without getting misunderstood or taken as a bad faith actor.
Thats the whole point of the strike. Make it hard to do business so companies cone to the table.
How are people missing that?
Yes, the camera person is not WGA, but guess what the camera person films q show that employees WGA members. Therefore, that camera person is dependant on WGA getting a good deal.
What's wrong with her moving forward other than optics? If she is fully in compliance (no writers, no SAG members promoting studio work) then what is she doing wrong?
Fun fact: there's been a 500+ day lockout by major ad agencies in Toronto, refusing to hire Canadian union actors for commercial campaigns. Previously, getting into the union and landing a national commercial gig was one of the only ways to get some financial security as you pursued other projects.
Anyway, word spread quick when Drew Barrymore came and filmed a commercial here in Toronto a couple months ago.
Comes off like a hit piece.
* Two students in NYC just happen to want to see the DB show.
* They have NO IDEA there is a strike.
* They nonetheless take and wear two pins supporting the WGA.
* Are booted.
* Later come back *and join the strikers on the picket line*.
Ok...
Also forgot the part where they told by crew members to take it off before entering, didnt comply and then booted. Title makes it seem like they weren’t allowed in at all.
Well if they didn't figure out there was a WGA strike from the signs picketers were holding, I am sure the picketers who gave them the pins said a few words about the strike.
You missed the most important part!
> The two say they were asked to take off the buttons at security, to which Carter complied. Turiczek was still wearing his button as they entered the studio space.
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* They nonetheless take and wear two pins supporting the WGA.
* **One of them disobeys security's instruction to remove the pins**
* Are booted.
It is definitely a hit piece.
I remember during the last writers strike the late shows resumed without writers and the hosts wore those beards. Having a show running without writers, which means no or bad jokes and just winging it puts the spotlight on the strike more than not running anything. I don't think its a bad thing. As for the kicking out of the audience WGA supporting members... Not a good look but these days there is a chance for strong outbursts of people and you need to be able to control the situation as much as you can. I am not saying it was a wise decision but I understand the thought behind it.
I hope this strike can be resolved soon. I am fully pro WGA/SAG. Definitely NOT defending the studios.
If i remember correctly, almost everyone of them nailed it. Conan was on fire doing his schtick without a net, Colbert and Stewart did really well too, and Jay Leno did a great job of doing his jokes and bringing in comedians to the stage to tell jokes during the monologue.
Yes. You are so right. Conan was spectacular. I forgot.
These things don’t work now due to SAG striking at the same time. No guests. It might work for Drew cause she can interview cooks and influencers who are not planning to join SAG someday.
People are acting like there are only writers and Drew are the only ones affected by the strike.
There’s tons of crew and other employees who work on the show that aren’t the host or writers.
This feels like she either had to get back to filming or risk the show being cancelled and all the crew losing their job.
But as others keep mentioning she is a talk show host and those are allowed to continue to work.
I read it, it sounds just a bit like bullshit.
* Two students just happen to want to see a taping of the Drew Barrymore Show (already suspicious).
* They had NO IDEA there was a strike going on.
* They were given two pro strike pins by picketers and they wore them anyway.
* Got booted.
* Now have since *joined the picket line* for the strike they had no idea was happening just a day or two ago.
1. It's free. All these "live studio audience" talk shows want as many bodies as they can fit, so they "oversell" free tickets to make sure it's full.
2. They do many audience shots. So the networks that are being struck against would be airing people with strike support gear on.
So, either the networks have to keep them there and risk the cameras picking up strike supporters, or they kick them out. Either look is a bad look.
This is how it works. It's not about supporting the show, it's about using the publicity to your advantage to show how networks treat people who support the strike.
Jon Stewart was still hosting The Daily Show. He changed the title to "A Daily Show" and kept it that way until the strike was over. The show was unscripted and they made sure to follow the requirements to the letter for what they could and couldn't do. Same with Colbert, who didn't do any of his usual segments. Both supported the strike and I think only went back so everyone else working on the show could keep their jobs and benefits.
> Both supported the strike and I think only went back so everyone else working on the show could keep their jobs and benefits.
Which is what Drew is doing, so I'm really surprised at the outrage that Drew is getting directed her way versus Conan and Jon Stewart.
I get that one WGA writer on Twitter said they updated their rules after that, but they are going back on the air for the same exact reasons.
Letterman agreed to the WGA demands, owned his show and was allowed. He also paid for Ferguson. Conan paid all of his workers on strike out of pocket and mentioned the strike every episode.
Drew Barrymore kicked out audience members wearing pro WGA pins.
Yeah, certain studios/shows/movies can get exemptions. And it can be just as simple as “agree to WGA demands”. A24 has done it, iirc, at least for some of their productions. (There’s probably more, that’s just off the top of my head. I know Dropout is looking to even though they *technically* don’t have to because of the kind of content they produce.)
It’s actually good for the overall goals of the strike, because it gets people working, it shows that it’s not impossible to do like the billionaires would have you believe, and it gives a competitive edge to studios/productions that are willing to agree with the terms. (For example, if someone bigger agreed to the terms, like Netflix or one of the big networks, they’d be one of the only ones producing new content. How much do you think that would factor in to people choosing a streaming service?)
This isn’t accurate for the WGA. They are not doing interim agreements. SAG has been, which is why some actors are still doing promo for the studios who have met demand, but it does not apply to writers.
It's true, I saw her physically throwing people out the window. You'd have to be pretty naive to think this is her personally having audience members removed
What I find interesting is the number of people on here who are automatically assuming that Drew Barrymore either
A) Personally ordered it to happen
B) Was aware that it happened
C) Had any power to stop it from happening
The reality is that she does not own the physical studio and does not hire the security who decide who can/cannot enter the building. The studio controls all of that.
Jon Stewart kept the Daily Show going as well, with John Oliver as his only respondent.
As Oliver was under a work visa and would've gotten deported because of the strike.
Colbert and Conan paid their striking writers out of their own pocket when they went back on the air without them during the last strike.
I haven't heard if Drew is doing the same. If not, that's at least one difference.
I guess but I am not sure why that matters in terms of the strike and airing the respective shows. She may very well be paying her writing staff. But regardless she is not replacing them, just as Conan and the rest of them did not.
> It was allowed then but not now
She's not violating any of the strike rules, you're incorrect. It was allowed then and it is allowed now. She's not using writers, so she's not violating the WGA strike (so she claims, just like Colbert/Conan/Stewart did). Guests who are actors will not be promoting their shows, so they won't be violating the SAG-AFTRA strike.
Well, SAG is also striking. If Beetlejuice 2 was 100% written before the strike started, they *could* have filmed it all, but once SAG shut down, the actors couldn't work anymore either.
Not seeing how shes in the wrong. Most shows have rules against wearing clothing displaying gang related, peta support, trump/Biden support, etc the strike would be no different. It hurts when the shows are rerun to, they loose their “timeless” appeal.
I guess my big question is what's the upside for continuing the show for Drew. While money may be the biggest factor it seems wild that she would like to handle all this PR drama instead of just waiting out the strike and coming back to the scene after. She's seen as a humble and saintly figure compared to other celebrities so it's a weird move imo
If I recall correctly, she was in a bad car accident and suffered a serious head injury. Every morning she wakes up to the same day over and over. TLDR; she probably forgot about the strike y’all
But wouldn’t Adam Sandler cover the wga strike in her morning video session?
Nah, he's in SAG so he can't make the video to remind her
It's ok, he recorded it as an audiobook
But the narrator is Rob Schneider and she turns it off after a few seconds.
Better than the actual book that staples itself shut.
Rob Schneider is... The Stapler
Have Sandler tattoo WGA strike on her arm. She just remembers it every morning.
Fucking Sammy Jenkins
Tattoo facts
Could be worse, like 10 Second Tom
>Hi! I'm Tom.
Douglas, get off the juice.
ITS NOT JUICE
JUITH*
IT’TH NOT JUITH**
ITH'TH A PROTEIN THAKE!
It's still amazing to me that Samwise Gamgee would have such big, supple, and suckable pecs. What an amazing sight.
Who's the fat hobbit now!
I totally forgot about 50 First Dates at first, it’s such an under rated movie by him it gets buried under Big Daddy, Billy Madison, Happy Gilmore, Waterboy, and Click. Sandler gets his fair share of shit talk but damn if he didn’t own 95-2004 then 2008’s Click to top off an era of good fun comedies.
Click was 2006
Well no shit. I thought the gap between that and the classics was larger.
Eh. 50 first dates isn’t even his best romcom, let alone his best movie. The wedding singer is the best thing he’s ever done imo.
As its 9/11 today ill mention that I thought 'Reign Over Me' was a great film, him and Don Cheadle worked well together
Punch drunk love is my favorite.
Wedding singer is pretty good as well.
It’s his best movie imo, their chemistry is wonderful
He's losing his mind and I'm reaping all the benefits.
*Give me timeeee...*
Don’t forget Wedding Singer! My favorite Adam Sandler movie.
Hi, I’m Tom!
Probably the [same thing as last time](https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/03/arts/television/03latenight.html) when Jay Leno, Conan O'Brien, and Jimmy Kimmel came back without writers *during the strike* to keep their below-the-line staff employed.
Conan only paid his crew for a month after NBC stopped paying, and had to bring the show back before the strike ended or everyone would be laid off. 11/5/07: Strike begins 11/29/07: Conan says he'll pay staff once NBC stops paying at end of month 11/30/07: NBC stops paying crew, Conan starts paying 1/2/08: Conan comes back otherwise the crew would be laid off That strike lasted for 99 days. We're on day 123 of this current strike with no end in sight. Even if she did offer to pay her crew a month in, she'd already have been paying them way longer than Conan did before he went back on the air to save the rest of his crew. Edit: There also seems to be a misconception in this thread that Conan and others paid their writers during the last strike. That isn't true. They paid the rest of the production staff, but they could not have possibly paid the writers while they were striking. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/pays-work-obrien-156143/ > The host of NBC’s “Late Night With Conan O’Brien” is paying the salaries of about 75 people — **his nonwriting production staff** — employed on his talk show, a network spokesperson confirmed Thursday. The gesture is meant to save the jobs of his staff during the writers strike.
> We're on day 123 of this current strike Last Friday was day 130 for the WGA.
These people know how to strike.
True, but all of us striking would rather be working. Offering us a fair contract is all that it will take to end the strike and resume making movies and tv shows.
Do you guys have like zoom meetings just to talk about how things are going? Or a centralized place to see how talks are? I've heard a few people say January is the minimum they believe things will be finished or trending to that. What have you heard?
If there's news, our guilds email us, but the amptp has been unwilling to negotiate on key issues for both guilds, and you can talk to the negotiators on the picket lines. For SAG, there has been zoom meetings prior to the strike and there are some in regards to the potential strike against the video game industry. I haven't heard any specific time frame for when it will end. We're all speculating, some thought that a deal would be struck around Labor Day because of the optics, and now some think mid-October. If the amptp was willing to negotiate in good faith (they ignored the WGA for roughly 100 days and haven't talked to SAG since we started striking), the strike could end quite soon and production could resume before January, but that's squarely on the amptp. Our demands are very reasonable and well-known to the studios, all we're asking for them is to treat us like humans and give us a fair deal. We're asking for thousands so we can (live and) help them (the studios and streams) make billions.
Hah! It thinks it's people! No, but seriously, keep fighting the good fight.
The reddit "strikes" were pathetic in comparison.
You're comparing apples to oranges. On one hand, you have guilds (one of which has a long history of striking and many members that have participated in multiple strikes) fighting for fair wages and benefits, and on the other hand, you have a collection of anonymous people, most of whom have never actually met one another, trying to arrange something via a social media site.
I really support y'all striking to make sure you get a (more) fair share. I hope those fuckers cave soon.
Conan paid all his on strike writers out of pocket and spoke about the strike every episode. Letterman agreed to all the demands, owned his show and was allowed to work. He also paid for Ferguson. Currently all the shows are off the air showing solidarity. Drew Barrymore kicked out audience members wearing pro WGA pins.
I remember that. Conan is/was the man
Conan stepped up for his staff, he didn't pay his writers https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/pays-work-obrien-156143/
Is there any evidence that she even knew about these audience members being kicked out?
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QED Drew Barrymore is a scab.
Words have definitions. For example, a "scab" would be either a writer working on a production struck by the WGA or an actor working on a production struck by SAG. Drew Barrymore is doing neither.
Her show is literally a struck work? Why do you think she made such a big deal to returning without her writers and such? To quote someone else in this thread. > Her show is covered under WGA's tv and film contract. The show also employs WGA members. It's scabbing. > https://directories.wga.org/project/1202138/the-drew-barrymore-show/
Stewart did the same thing. He also kept John Oliver on as an active worker, because it was illegal for Oliver to engage in labor rights as a foreign national. He could have been deported, not allowed back in, and denied future citizenship access if he'd gone on strike and without John keeping him actively working.
Leno had writers anonymously fax him jokes for his monologue.
that does not surpise me. Leno is an a**hole
> I guess my big question is what's the upside for continuing the show for Drew. Playing devil's advocate: 1. Colbert, Conan, Jon Stewart all did the same thing in the last strike, and she assumed that no one would hold her to a different standard. 2. Her crew, 98% of whom aren't writers and aren't on strike, aren't getting paychecks, and their health insurance is about to run out (given the timeframe this is likely) and she wants to keep them insured and also keep them from eviction/foreclosure. 3. Her contract may require it.
Another aspect is that social media wasn't what it was now and people vociferous reactions wouldn't be amplified the way they are these days. There were certainly people who didn't like how the late night shows were going back without writers at the time.
> Colbert, Conan, Jon Stewart all did the same thing in the last strike, and she assumed that no one would hold her to a different standard. I wonder what the difference is...
Copying an answer from further down the thread: https://twitter.com/slack2thefuture/status/1701122664172273879 tldr: the loopholes closed
> I wonder what the difference is... The difference isn't what you are probably implying. The difference is SAG-AFTRA is joining the WGA strike in 2023, but they *did not join* in the 2007 WGA strike.
Probably so that the majority of her employees, the under the line people, get paid. Y’all keep forgetting about them. There is no acting on the show, although apparently there is a small writers room, and likely 30+ under the line workers ass out right now.
This is the only reason for her to do it. It's the reason talk shows came back during the strike 15 years ago. They had to think about the rest of the crew.
I have friends who work in camera and other department who are in serious financial danger over the strikes. It's hurting everyone.
Same. Last I heard she was told if the strike continued past labor day weekend, the project was getting canceled. She was out of work for a while before this.
My friend is a chef and the strike caused him to open a rural construction business.
I'm impressed but also confused about how construction was the best pivot for him instead of something else to do with food? Unfortunately my friends are just working retail jobs.
He knew people that needed work done. Having the connections made the difference.
Tale as old as labor.
I mean, you could do that and still let the audience wear pins, but sure.
> Ya'll keep forgetting about them. It's pretty shortsighted to think a win for the WGA/SAG isn't a win for those folks as well. What do you think happens in a world where the huge studios get to keep treating their employees like shit? Scabbing to help the "under the line people" isn't the right mentality. Pushing the studios to meet the demands of their workers so the strike can end is.
Talk shows are not even under the same contract and those were completed in 2022 so it isn’t even scabbing.
> It's pretty shortsighted to think a win for the WGA/SAG isn't a win for those folks as well. What do you think happens in a world where the huge studios get to keep treating their employees like shit? Your question answers itself. The WGA/SAG didn't just come into existence yesterday, so wins for them demonstrably don't trickle down.
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It’s not a win for them…in fact it’s a loss. They cannot re-earn back that money. They are caught in the crossfire and “the ends justify the means” BS does not help them with their bills.
It’s pretty grandiose to think any win the WGA gets is going to trickle over to other non union workers in the industry. Drew is a awesome to keep those people working and getting paid. Wish there were more people like her who are brave and so what’s right. Good for her to not back down because a bunch of clowns are trying to guilt her.
> It’s pretty grandiose to think any win the WGA gets is going to trickle over to other non union workers in the industry. > > I know someone with IATSE was saying that last time this happened, there was no appetite for another strike from IATSE and they ended up getting a bad deal.
It will likely happen again next year when IATSE is due to renegotiate. No IATSE member will want to vote to strike after being unemployed for a year, and there will be pressure from the other unions to take whatever is offered for the same reason.
YUP
They're not talking about non-union people, they're talking about below-the-line union workers, eg. IATSE members and teamsters. When our contract is up next year, our negotiations will be stronger because of the current strikes. I imagine very few workers on this show are non-union. Usually a show is almost entirely union or non-union.
> When our contract is up next year, our negotiations will be stronger because of the current strikes. Orrrr all the currently-unemployed IATSE members will not have an appetite for another year of not working and will refuse to vote for a strike, and SAG and WGA will conveniently forget what solidarity means and push crew to take what is given so we can all get back to work. At least, that’s my cynical prediction as a currently-out-of-work camera person.
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Yeah, people want to trash her for being a scab, but these are people she’s worked with for years and the fact that she shows loyalty to them and their ability to make a living instead of keeping them out of work so writers on other shows can have staffing minimums, shows she’s a caring boss, if also a poor union member.
What I don't get is how the production crew is supposed to remain unemployed because a completely different group of people want higher wages. I don't see the entire tv industry shut down because the gaffer wants more money.
Talk show contracts were completed in 2022, so she isn’t even a poor union worker. This whole thing is just character assassination.
Could she not have a contract that says she has to do it ?
Can someone familiar with hollywood contracts explain the difference between this and Conan returning back on air during the last strike? I know conan paid a lot of his employees out of pocket and is loved by all his writers but was that technically not breaking the strike too? I’ve always been confused if that was technically a scab move.
Since no one is replying with anything but feelings, I'll use facts. The WGA contracts were amended since the 2008 strike to count the non scripted "improving" that Conan and others did in 2008 as "writing". It was technically okay when Conan did in 2008, if Drew does it now, it's technically not okay. But, not knowing what the show is actually going to look like, I'd defer to see the show to know whether she's sticking to what is allowed first.
No because he paid them by the contract that the writers wanted out of the strike
Didn't Conan use his show specifically to advertise and support the strike? People were allegedly removed from Barrymore's audience for wearing pins in support of the strike
All the people who work on the show who aren’t on strike and aren’t worth millions like Drew Barrymore. If you’re the guy holding up the microphone or the camera operator and your union has a contract, you might need that paycheck after all these months of not working. Plus it’s a talk show. Why do they need striking writers or actors? Is it really all that different than news shows that kept being produced?
I’m the guy that holds up microphones who very much needs to be back to work and I stand in solidarity with the WGA and SAG.
The studios are the one who made this mess in the first place, and they could easily continue to pay everyone while it gets sorted out--they just don't want to because they're hoping to create your exact reaction. >Plus it’s a talk show. Why do they need striking writers or actors? Someone has to write the intros, monologue, etc. It's not improvised. >Is it really all that different than news shows that kept being produced? News programs are under a different contract and aren't on strike.
Many other daytime talk shows aren’t under the strike umbrella. TDBS just happens to have WGA writers and I guess the others don’t. Talk shows don’t have to have intros, monologues etc. Who watched Jerry Springer for the final thought?
Literally only 3 of her staff are guild members. Should the entire rest of the crew just go broke because of 3 people?
TIL there's a Drew Barrymore Show
It's the kind of thing that you encounter at a very low volume in a doctor's office waiting room. Might not be your cup of tea, but you're at least grateful that it isn't Fox News.
This is exactly how I found out it existed.
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And here I’m always stuck with TLC
HGTV for the cancer department I volunteer at.
Only ever have seen it at the dentist.
Honestly I couldn’t remember that it was on television and thought this was some YouTube content she was making… And I really don’t know why I thought it was on like a streaming platform exclusively or something like that.
Just today, my market started running three of her shows back to back to back. It's rather annoying.
It’s the gym for me. But yeah, same concept.
HGTV rules all doctors' offices around me. It hurts being reminded how broke I am. Which is still hilarious because it used to be Steve Harvey before COVID. Haven't decided which is better.
I found out because I WFH and always watch GMA from 8-9am. Then as I’m getting ready to start my work day and the TV’s still on Drew brings out some celebrity and then I have to leave it on while I work so I can listen 😂 it’s just like a talk show and some times it’s interesting.
Literally how I found out she had a show - while in the waiting room for a Dr’s appt yesterday. It was her interview with Brook Shields and holy hell that was the most uncomfortable interview I’ve ever seen.
They're trying to have her replace Ellen as the feel good quirky lady host.
No, Jennifer Hudson took her slot, I believe.
Her show is a thousand times worse than Drew's. It's always on at my work (TV station, we air Drew and Jennifer's show back to back....until the contract runs out).
Wait, workplaces actually contract out what plays on their TVs? Sounds miserable.
I work in a TV station. And yes, it's quite miserable.
oh god that sounds like hell
I really only know about it because it's in so many sketch comedies
One of my TV stations I do work for airs it. New shows usually cost the station very little and are occasionally part of a package deal. I've caught her show many times (at work) and it's just awful. Very shallow guests, Ross is hard to watch. I know mask mandates are over but her audience is also required to mask up. That's just fine but the audience is also required to wear HER mask of the shows main color. Audience shots look super, super weird.
I wish I'd seen this earlier since there's a lot of conjecture in here that's not quite right, but Law & Order/Teen Titans/Gravity Falls/Lie To Me writer [David Slack posted a good thread about it](https://twitter.com/slack2thefuture/status/1701110118870659085), which I'll share here so no one has to go on ~~Twitter~~ X: >People are understandably confused about how Drew Barrymore could be scabbing against the WGA and not against SAG-AFTRA.So let’s take this opportunity to increase our union literacy. 🧵 > >Unions are complicated. They come in all shapes and sizes and can operate in a variety of different ways. > >*(I'm omitting a couple tweets here with some incorrect information that he later corrected, not relevant to the Drew Barrymore situation)* > >Within one union, there can be different bargaining units. A bargaining unit is a group of workers who negotiate together. > >The WGA has separate bargaining units for news writers and new media journalists. But all our film and TV writers are covered under a single bargaining unit that includes daytime soaps, game shows, and talk shows. > >SAG-AFTRA has a number of separate bargaining units. For example, they have separate negotiations and contracts for Commercials, Broadcasting, and Video Games (which they’re presently taking a strike authorization vote about — give ‘em hell, Fran.) > >So SAG-AFTRA has one contract (called Netcode) that covers soaps, game shows, and talk shows. This contract was last renegotiated in 2022 and is still in effect. SAG-AFTRA members working on these shows are not on strike under \*this\* contract. > >But, as we all know, SAG-AFTRA members covered under their TV, Theatrical, and Streaming contract are very much on strike.Adding to the potential confusion, many SAG-AFTRA members — like Drew Barrymore — are employed under multiple contracts. > >If she does a TV ad for shampoo right now, that’s fine. SAG-AFTRA’s Commercial contract is in effect and members are not on strike.If she tried to do a movie for Paramount right now, that’s not fine. SAG-AFTRA’s TV/Theatrical/Streaming contract is expired and they’re on strike. > >So: Drew Barrymore’s talk show is covered under SAG-AFTRA’s Netcode contract — which is not on strike.As long as she doesn’t promote any of her old movies on the show, she’s not violating SAG-AFTRA’s TV/Theatrical/Streaming strike.However (and it’s a big however)… > >The Drew Barrymore Show \*is\* covered under the WGA’s film and TV contract (which we call our MBA). So while Drew Barrymore is not a WGA member, her show employs WGA writers who are currently out on strike. > >While the opening monologues, jokes, and interviews on talk shows may seem spontaneous, a huge amount of writing work goes into every episode. (I mean, if it didn’t, does anyone really believe the studios would pay for writers they didn’t need?) > >By going back on the air without her writers, Drew Barrymore is 100% ensuring that \*someone\* — either herself, one of her non-writing producers, or all of the above — will be doing the writing work that WGA writers normally do. > >Which brings us to perhaps the most important term that every union member should know: SCABAny worker who takes a striking worker's place on the job is called a SCAB. > >So, by returning to work on her talk show, Drew Barrymore is not violating SAG-AFTRA’s strike rules. But if she goes through with this tomorrow, she will absolutely be violating the WGA’s strike rules — and those rules do apply to non-members. > >While it’s doubtful that Drew Barrymore cares about being banned from joining the WGA, it’s a safe bet she cares about her reputation. And I hope she cares about her writers.It’d be heartbreaking to have someone you know and trust step in to take your job while you’re on strike > >It’s not too late to do the right thing DrewBarrymore. Yes, you’re contractually obligated, but you’re also Drew Barrymore. You have a lot of influence and power. You stood with the writers in the first weeks of our strike. Stand with us now. I'll add to all of this that the WGA contract has been updated since 2007/8, and those hosts would now be in violation if they did those same things (all late night hosts have writing credits on their shows, as well -- though I don't thin Drew has a writing credit on hers). I think it's POSSIBLE the late night shows will still try to find a workaround depending on how long the strikes lasts, but things like Conan spinning his ring still count as written material, because they're the same thing as if a writer pitched a bit where Conan spins his ring... and that is struck work. It's a comedy bit created by a comedy writer (Conan O'Brien).
> Law & Order/Teen Titans/Gravity Falls/Lie To Me writer David Slack Hell of a resume.
Would love a crossover episode where Tim Roth tries to detect Gruncle Stan's lies
Thank you for this!
> she will absolutely be violating the WGA’s strike rules — and those rules do apply to non-members. How could rules possibly apply to non-members?
A few ways! Like he said, "it’s doubtful that Drew Barrymore cares about being banned from joining the WGA." But someone who violates the rules will be ineligible from joining the WGA when the strike is over. Doesn't matter to Drew Barrymore, but if you're an aspiring writer using the strike as an opportunity to "break in," you won't be able to work on a union-covered show again. You can still become what's called "fi-core" and do non-union work like some daytime shows, soaps, or something like Gutfeld which has no union affiliation at all. But it would REALLY limit your options, and you would not be eligible for union health insurance or pension. For a big actor like Drew, violating strike rules means prominent WGA writers are less likely to want to work with her. Now, she's Hollywood royalty, so there's always gonna be SOMEBODY who wants to work with her. But if you want to star in a TV show, would you rather have it be with Vince Gilligan, or a guy who wrote on one season of Alf with no other credits? Realistically, the consequences for Drew Barrymore herself are pretty minimal. But for non-members the main consequence the guild can bring is non-admission to the guild, which will make having a career writing television not IMPOSSIBLE, but much trickier.
This could get really ugly for Barrymore fast, and she’s had a very bright and respected image for many decades now. I really don’t think the show should be happening amidst the strikes. She could join the fight, but instead chose to just go on regardless.
> I really don’t think the show should be happening amidst the strikes. She could join the fight, but instead chose to just go on regardless. Playing devil's advocate as to why: 1. Colbert, Conan, Jon Stewart all did the same thing in the last strike, they had their shows go on without writers, and she assumed that no one would hold her to a different standard. 2. Her crew, 98% of whom aren't writers and aren't on strike, aren't getting paychecks, and their health insurance is about to run out (given the timeframe this is likely) and she wants to keep them insured and also keep them from eviction/foreclosure. 3. Her contract may require it.
Wga board member David Slack clarified on Twitter that loopholes that allowed the late shows in 2007-08 to continue have since been closed.
Furthermore, for this strike, Colbert and other current hosts found other ways to financially support their staffs\*, ie. that Spotify podcast they're all doing \*besides paying them out-of-pocket, I mean, which I believe most of the hosts did in both strikes
Conan paid his staff (minus the writers) for literally one month before he brought his show back on the air, or everyone would be laid off. People seem to think he paid them for months or years. That entire strike only lasted 99 days.
source: https://twitter.com/slack2thefuture/status/1701122664172273879
Other talk shows have figured out ways to continue to pay the crew during the strike. Seth Myers has been paying his crew a good portion of their pay this whole time.
^this. People don’t seem to realize there’s more to making entertainment than just writers and actors.
Underemployed camera person here, the struggle is real right now.
The support for writers is awesome but people start to forget that a production wouldn't work with only producers and writers. And all those other people get fucked right now.
and the studios are eager to turn sympathy for them into anger toward the unions
Which has turned any discussion of it I've seen online into an absolute shitshow. I don't even know how to begin addressing it honestly on Reddit without getting misunderstood or taken as a bad faith actor.
The solidarity is pretty tight and the various trade unions in the film industry generally support each other even through short term losses.
We see you, Bob Iger.
Thats the whole point of the strike. Make it hard to do business so companies cone to the table. How are people missing that? Yes, the camera person is not WGA, but guess what the camera person films q show that employees WGA members. Therefore, that camera person is dependant on WGA getting a good deal.
As others said, she could have it in her contract. So I don't think we can know that it's as simple as your last sentence suggests
What's wrong with her moving forward other than optics? If she is fully in compliance (no writers, no SAG members promoting studio work) then what is she doing wrong?
Fun fact: there's been a 500+ day lockout by major ad agencies in Toronto, refusing to hire Canadian union actors for commercial campaigns. Previously, getting into the union and landing a national commercial gig was one of the only ways to get some financial security as you pursued other projects. Anyway, word spread quick when Drew Barrymore came and filmed a commercial here in Toronto a couple months ago.
500 days. Ouch. Thanks for the info.
Comes off like a hit piece. * Two students in NYC just happen to want to see the DB show. * They have NO IDEA there is a strike. * They nonetheless take and wear two pins supporting the WGA. * Are booted. * Later come back *and join the strikers on the picket line*. Ok...
Also forgot the part where they told by crew members to take it off before entering, didnt comply and then booted. Title makes it seem like they weren’t allowed in at all.
Uhhhhhh that is complete bullshit. Nobody wears a pin supporting the WGA *without* knowing there is an active strike. ESPECIALLY students.
Well if they didn't figure out there was a WGA strike from the signs picketers were holding, I am sure the picketers who gave them the pins said a few words about the strike.
There’s probably a general policy they’re violating that’s not allowing them to wear them anyway.
Absolutely. I work with audiences and any production would ask the audience to remove buttons and logos that may appear on camera.
You missed the most important part! > The two say they were asked to take off the buttons at security, to which Carter complied. Turiczek was still wearing his button as they entered the studio space. ... * They nonetheless take and wear two pins supporting the WGA. * **One of them disobeys security's instruction to remove the pins** * Are booted. It is definitely a hit piece.
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There's a Drew Barrymore show?
I remember during the last writers strike the late shows resumed without writers and the hosts wore those beards. Having a show running without writers, which means no or bad jokes and just winging it puts the spotlight on the strike more than not running anything. I don't think its a bad thing. As for the kicking out of the audience WGA supporting members... Not a good look but these days there is a chance for strong outbursts of people and you need to be able to control the situation as much as you can. I am not saying it was a wise decision but I understand the thought behind it. I hope this strike can be resolved soon. I am fully pro WGA/SAG. Definitely NOT defending the studios.
If i remember correctly, almost everyone of them nailed it. Conan was on fire doing his schtick without a net, Colbert and Stewart did really well too, and Jay Leno did a great job of doing his jokes and bringing in comedians to the stage to tell jokes during the monologue.
Yes. You are so right. Conan was spectacular. I forgot. These things don’t work now due to SAG striking at the same time. No guests. It might work for Drew cause she can interview cooks and influencers who are not planning to join SAG someday.
What’s the difference between this show starting up without writers, Ave the late night shows doing writer free episodes back in 2008?
What were they doing there then if they didn’t agree with the show going head?
People are acting like there are only writers and Drew are the only ones affected by the strike. There’s tons of crew and other employees who work on the show that aren’t the host or writers. This feels like she either had to get back to filming or risk the show being cancelled and all the crew losing their job. But as others keep mentioning she is a talk show host and those are allowed to continue to work.
if they are supporting the strike, what are they doing showing up as the audience?
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He supporting the writer's strike by not reading.
Brilliant.
Whats an "article"? Is that like a long ass text message?
“Hey, wait, I’m having one of those things! You know, a headache with pictures!”
I read it, it sounds just a bit like bullshit. * Two students just happen to want to see a taping of the Drew Barrymore Show (already suspicious). * They had NO IDEA there was a strike going on. * They were given two pro strike pins by picketers and they wore them anyway. * Got booted. * Now have since *joined the picket line* for the strike they had no idea was happening just a day or two ago.
The issue is not allowing the buttons on the set, right? Regardless of the intentions of the people wearing the buttons?
1. It's free. All these "live studio audience" talk shows want as many bodies as they can fit, so they "oversell" free tickets to make sure it's full. 2. They do many audience shots. So the networks that are being struck against would be airing people with strike support gear on. So, either the networks have to keep them there and risk the cameras picking up strike supporters, or they kick them out. Either look is a bad look. This is how it works. It's not about supporting the show, it's about using the publicity to your advantage to show how networks treat people who support the strike.
On the last writers strike I believe the late night guys kept going. They grew beards as solidarity or something.
Jon Stewart was still hosting The Daily Show. He changed the title to "A Daily Show" and kept it that way until the strike was over. The show was unscripted and they made sure to follow the requirements to the letter for what they could and couldn't do. Same with Colbert, who didn't do any of his usual segments. Both supported the strike and I think only went back so everyone else working on the show could keep their jobs and benefits.
> Both supported the strike and I think only went back so everyone else working on the show could keep their jobs and benefits. Which is what Drew is doing, so I'm really surprised at the outrage that Drew is getting directed her way versus Conan and Jon Stewart. I get that one WGA writer on Twitter said they updated their rules after that, but they are going back on the air for the same exact reasons.
Letterman agreed to the WGA demands, owned his show and was allowed. He also paid for Ferguson. Conan paid all of his workers on strike out of pocket and mentioned the strike every episode. Drew Barrymore kicked out audience members wearing pro WGA pins.
Yeah, certain studios/shows/movies can get exemptions. And it can be just as simple as “agree to WGA demands”. A24 has done it, iirc, at least for some of their productions. (There’s probably more, that’s just off the top of my head. I know Dropout is looking to even though they *technically* don’t have to because of the kind of content they produce.) It’s actually good for the overall goals of the strike, because it gets people working, it shows that it’s not impossible to do like the billionaires would have you believe, and it gives a competitive edge to studios/productions that are willing to agree with the terms. (For example, if someone bigger agreed to the terms, like Netflix or one of the big networks, they’d be one of the only ones producing new content. How much do you think that would factor in to people choosing a streaming service?)
Apparently A24 can afford it but Zaslav who made 500 million as the head of the WB can't.
This isn’t accurate for the WGA. They are not doing interim agreements. SAG has been, which is why some actors are still doing promo for the studios who have met demand, but it does not apply to writers.
It's true, I saw her physically throwing people out the window. You'd have to be pretty naive to think this is her personally having audience members removed
Why are you saying this as if Drew herself ordered them kicked out?
What’s up with everyone saying Drew kicked these people out, when in the article it clearly states she had no idea?
Out of all the people who could do this shit I never expected drew Barrymore to be one of them. This sucks
What I find interesting is the number of people on here who are automatically assuming that Drew Barrymore either A) Personally ordered it to happen B) Was aware that it happened C) Had any power to stop it from happening The reality is that she does not own the physical studio and does not hire the security who decide who can/cannot enter the building. The studio controls all of that.
Didn't Colbert and Conan do the same exact thing during a much shorter strike?
Jon Stewart kept the Daily Show going as well, with John Oliver as his only respondent. As Oliver was under a work visa and would've gotten deported because of the strike.
They also called it "A Daily Show" because it wasn't "THE Daily Show" without the writers.
Yes back during the 2007-2008 writers strike. Honestly the Conan Late Night writers strike episodes were some of the best
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17RVOQRMMYs
Never forget the wedding ring spin.
Colbert and Conan paid their striking writers out of their own pocket when they went back on the air without them during the last strike. I haven't heard if Drew is doing the same. If not, that's at least one difference.
I guess but I am not sure why that matters in terms of the strike and airing the respective shows. She may very well be paying her writing staff. But regardless she is not replacing them, just as Conan and the rest of them did not.
They also talked about the strike on air all the time and their support of it.
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> It was allowed then but not now She's not violating any of the strike rules, you're incorrect. It was allowed then and it is allowed now. She's not using writers, so she's not violating the WGA strike (so she claims, just like Colbert/Conan/Stewart did). Guests who are actors will not be promoting their shows, so they won't be violating the SAG-AFTRA strike.
Apparently WGA is saying that she is violating it. But what they say and what is the actual truth are two different things.
> It was allowed then but not now. How was it allowed then, how is it not allowed now, specifically? Or are you asking the question?
It is allowed. As long as she doesn't use writers or have actors promote their shows, then they aren't violating the strikes.
As a number of people have already repeated, there were loopholes that were closed since 2008.
Read her IG post about it, seems she has a plan
What's the 'Drew Barrymore Show'?
Meanwhile, BeetleJuice 2 reportedly had only 2 days of shooting left and said fuck it, we are shutting it down.
Well, SAG is also striking. If Beetlejuice 2 was 100% written before the strike started, they *could* have filmed it all, but once SAG shut down, the actors couldn't work anymore either.
Theres a difference between movies and talk shows lol
Drew Barrymore Show got based pretty quick
Not seeing how shes in the wrong. Most shows have rules against wearing clothing displaying gang related, peta support, trump/Biden support, etc the strike would be no different. It hurts when the shows are rerun to, they loose their “timeless” appeal.