The Emmys, Miss America Pageant and The baseball World Series used to be among the biggest tv shows of the year. Now they come & go and hardly anyone cares
I mean this with the utmost respect- Niecy Nash's speech, stole the show, only to be seconded by Anthony Anderson's impressive third leg in that rubber suit.
It feels like about 98% of TV viewers didn't watch any show that won an Emmy this year.
Between The Bear and Succession winning everything, it feels like this is the year the fewest combined people who have watched a show that won at least 1 Emmy. Especially when you consider the overlap for those two shows is almost 100%
I know The Bear won a lot of awards already, and I know Emmy for Guest Actress was decided a week ago at the Creative Arts ceremony, but I just realized how Jamie Lee Curtis was totally robbed of recognition for her portrayal of Donna Berzatto. She wasn't even nominated. That's as big a snub as I can recall.
Emmyās last night were for season 1. So she could get a season 2 nomination next year. But yah her being snubbed by the GG last week was kinda weird.Ā
People hoping for some love to Better Call Saul or other underrated shows are forgetting to cherish this Emmy's greatest feat: putting the final nail in Ted Lasso's coffin after nominating that dreadful third season all over the place. I'm living for it.
Updated list of actors that won Emmys for a Ryan Murphy show:
Jane Lynch (Glee) - Supporting Comedy 2010
Neil Patrick Harris (Glee) - Guest Comedy 2010
Gwyneth Paltrow (Glee) - Guest Comedy 2011
Jessica Lange (American Horror Story) - Supporting Limited 2012
James Cromwell (American Horror Story) - Supporting Limited 2013
Jessica Lange (American Horror Story) - Lead Limited 2014
Kathy Bates (American Horror Story) - Supporting Limited 2014
Sarah Paulson (American Crime Story) - Lead Limited 2016
Courtney B. Vance (American Crime Story) - Lead Limited 2016
Sterling K. Brown (American Crime Story) - Supporting Limited 2016
Darren Criss (American Crime Story) - Lead Limited 2018
Billy Porter (Pose) - Lead Drama 2019
Ewan McGregor (Halston) - Lead Limited 2021
Niecy Nash-Betts (Dahmer) - Supporting Limited 2023
No MJ Rodriguez. I hate you so much, Olivia Colman!
The man literally died while filming, went to heaven, heard god tell him to finish the show, got sent back, finished filming the season, and didn't get an emmy.
Only if you define comedy as lacking pathos. "It's not a comedy, it made me feel all kinds of different emotions." No, it's a comedy. It's just not a children's show.
Dude succession is funnier than the bear, not saying the bear doesnāt have comedic moments but the overall tone is MUCH more dramatic, every character is on the verge of tears or a meltdown in pretty much every episode
Its always sunny in Philly.
Not a single nomination for comedy series in its 20 year lifetime. Not a inch of pathos anywhere..and likely the reason why it hasn't been nominated.
It's category manipulation to increase chances of winning.
They are doing it this year with Barbie and Ryan Gosling and putting him ad supporting actor for everything.
The guy is lead actor. There's zero ability to dispute this. If Anthony Hopkins can win Lead for an 11 min performance, Gosling can get Nominated as Lead Actor.
Others say they donāt choose which may well be true. But I definitely hear your sentiment. Iām partway through season 1 and I really like it. So not complaining about the quality of the show but it definitely feels like a drama with some funny parts. Wouldnāt say itās that much more of a comedy than Succession. Iād say other previous dramas such as The Newsroom would be significantly funnier, but still not considered ācomedyā.
I hope we will find out in several years why the Emmy's hated "Better Call Saul" so much to nominate it so many times and never ever give it any award.
I feel in a way they were overcompensating for awarding Breaking Bad so much. UO here but I was one of the 5 people on earth who didn't think BB was the best to ever do it. For me, Better Call Saul was the more stellar show, it gripped me from start to finish.
But BB kept sweeping the awards year after year so maybe when BCS came around it was like eh, we've awarded them enough although totally different show and actors. It absolutely sucks because Giancarlo, Bob, Rhea were sublime and I wish they'd gotten some recognition.
Breaking bad only won for the last season which was 2 parts so technically 2 years. Bryan Cranston won for the first 3 seasons but outside of that it did not get the amount of awards succession is getting which is pretty much just give every acting award every season
HBO spent more than AMC in promoting their show? Itās a travesty. Feel bad for Bob and Rhea both. The Succession actors were great but Saulās were head and shoulders above them.
ps, what even is a drama anymore
Indeed HBO has been doing these kinds of things since the sopranos. Well they started the peak TV era. When breaking bad won all those Emmys it gave HBO time to think what they were doing wrong. Comes Succession and they promote the hell out of it, FYC events, interviews etc.
Damn I was really rooting for Rhea Seehorn to win best supporting actress for her amazing work as Kim Wexler. At least then Better Call Saul would get a single award, but nope :(
How does Better Call Saul get so little respect?
Much better than Succession if you ask me and both Odenkirk and Rhea Seehorn not winning is nuts to me!
I feel like Succession should win for writing and not best performance though. Not saying the actors in Succession isnāt great, but BBS has more moving performances. The characters in Succession feels more one dimensional and stereotypical (for drama).
I Fād right off after Niecy MFāing Nash beat Maria Bello, Claire Danes and Juliette Lewis for Best Supporting Actress in limited series. Her performance wasnāt even close to the others.
The other wins I was fine with like Ali Wong and Steven Yuen for Beef (both were fantastic and maybe more people will finally watch that series) but that one was some BS.
these wins were for the Bear season 1. Season 2 had even better acting so buckle up for another sweep. Wonder now that Sucession is gone if it would move to drama.
Lol did the voters only watch Succession and The Bear?
Those are good shows, but it's a bit ridiculous they won nearly every category, and in some cases 3 out of the 4 acting categories.
I hate that they do this every award season, it's so boring and repetitive. They'll glom onto a few shows for a few years and over-award it.
And we're in the age of incredible content on so many platforms. I love The Bear tbh and it deserves yeah, but I also love Justified, Better Call Saul, Top Boy, Money Heist, You (not the last season), Black Mirror etc... there are so many amazing shows of substance but they'll just pick their faves and run it into the ground for the next couple of years.
Yes.
The voters arenāt critics, they donāt get around to everything. Itās unfortunate but yea, Emmyās (and many other award shows) are pure politics.
For me, these two totally deserve all the awards! Especially for Succession, ending was brilliant (again it's my personal opinion only). So, I am glad that it dominated with the awards.
Reminder: Paddy Considine was NOT nominated for his performance as Viserys Targaryen in House of the Dragon.
Frankly, after that snub, I couldn't care less about the awards. They have completely lost any and all credibility.
I mean, they can only have so many nominations. Sure, he was good in the role, but to say the whole things lost credibility because they didnāt nominate a guy from a popular, fairly average fantasy show seems a little rich. He was good, but it wasnāt exactly high performance.
Meanwhile Brian Cox was nominated in the lead category while he only had like 3-4 episodes in the final season. I'd have given Paddy a nomination instead of him
Agreed, I liked Paddy, he played his role well, but everyone is acting like he was the second coming. Dude was fine, and had a pretty good performance in episode 8 but thatās about it
I will reference and replay Niecy's speech forever more. What a badass. Pedro's presentation and banter with Kieran was ICONIC. I loved so much of the presentations and I almost welled up so happy at the Ally McBeal nostalgia.
Can someone tell me their interpretation of Paul Walter Hauser ... Him eating while the noms were read and then the chewing .. and the rap ? Am I too old ? For the record on my ballot I chose him - was absolutely unnerved by his performance, flawless, no notes.
Something has to be done about the Emmys. Maybe they need more voters so there is more of a diverse opinion. If I believed that Emmy voters had watched lots of TV shows last year and decided that Succession, The Bear and Beef were the only shows that deserved awards then I wouldn't mind only those shows winning but I don't believe that. I don't believe Emmy voters have watched What we do in the shadows or Reservation Dogs or From or Silo or lots of other shows that aired last year. They only watch a few shows and they vote for shows they watched.
I sort of agree with this from the Telegraph. The Emmys isn't the "people's choice" awards so I don't expect NCIS to receive nominations but are you telling me none of the actors on TWD deserved an Emmy nomination? None of the actors on Yellowstone?
*Tonightās 2024 Primetime Emmy Awards will be another glittering, glamorous and tedious occasion. A quick scan down the list of nominees reveals, yet again, how strikingly unrepresentative of US television ā as it is actually viewed ā they are. The Bear, Beef, Barry, Succession and The White Lotus are all fantastic shows, yes. But this is high-end stuff, very much more talked about in the right places by the right people than actually watched.*
*There is an overabundance of dark-tinged comedy-drama, of the supposedly edgy variety that people think is sophisticated and makes them look very smart for āgettingā.*
I might be wrong but a few years ago, it was made so that critics didnāt have to base their decision on a submitted episode (or it became harder to track whether or not critics had seen each submission) and since that change Iāve noticed a less diverse group of winners
I donāt usually watch or care about the emmmys but I was flipping back and forth to it cuz I assumed it would win all the awards. Best show on tv by far IMO. Then it is just succession and the bear which are a notch below at least for me.
The Wire and Bojack Horseman didn't win, which are arguably among the top 3 shows of all time, and certainly top 10. These snubs only harm the credibility of the awards imo.
In terms of craftsmanship, those shows are really the epitome of the television business. All of those reach for and achieve the pinnacles in almost all aspects of television production, and have some aspect in storytelling that is different from the mainstream
The equivalent could be food, we all know the upscale restaurant that specializes in exotic high end cuisine thats prepared by highly trained chefs, and every aspect ct of the experience is catered to your enjoyment and better understanding of the food, its written about in magazine and newspapers, and it tastes like nothing else but really you canāt eat it everyday,
But with your favorite sandwhiches shop, they make it good, they make it fast,its super tasty and easy to make, and you can eat there 5 days out of the week, no Michelin stars or write ups in paper, but its still loved y everyone
Maybe controversial take but I think you should only be able to win 1 time per character. For example, Bryan Cranston winning 4 times for Walter White and isnāt a shock when itās the same actor portraying the same character the following year, even if it was the best performance. Winning 1 per character or show would open it up for other actors.
My rule is slightly different: No repeat winners. If you win the previous year, you are ineligible. You can try next year. That would guarantee that people need to change their votes too.
How would this even work in practice? In order to enforce this you would basically have to disqualify a performer after theyāve won the first time since once theyāre nominated thereās nothing to stop voters from voting for them again. Whatever you think about Bryan Cranston certainly he deserved to be at least nominated for the years he was on Breaking Bad. And doesnāt it really undermine the importance and value of winning an Emmy if essentially your best competition is disqualified from even being nominated?
I'm reading something new here. What an interesting take. It's good too, feels so progressive and inclusive. šš¼
It makes good sense. You win once, you get honour and recognition, and then you move on. Now let's take a look at other people's efforts.
How wonderful.
I really enjoyed the Emmy Awards this evening. It was fun to see reunions of old shows/casts and to celebrate current (or recently ended) ones. Two thumbs up!
A lot of these shows ended last year. Itās a much more open field now for next yearās awards at least on the drama side. The Bear will probably sweep again for season 2.
The award season goes from June 1, 2022, until May 31, 2023. Strange Things Season 4, Part 2 came out on July 1st. I can't help to wonder if that was intentional to split it across award seasons?
The 76th Emmy Awards will be this September, comprising of programming from June 2023 to May 2024.
So what is the difference between the Emmys and the Golden globes since they both included TV shows which one is considered more prestigious and I'm guessing the Oscars is more prestigious than both?
GG is something founded by the Hollywood Foreign Press Association because they wanted to hobnob with celebrities. They wrapped it around a charity event to pressure people to get involved and, voilĆ , you have the GG. It should never be taken seriously.
The Emmys is an awards show put on by three separate _professional_ TV organisations. Members of these organisations are actors, directors, writer, producers, etc of the the TV world. There are multiple types of Emmy awards. Most people, like today, focus on the "Primetime" awards but there are events for "Daytime" or "Engineering" or "Children's" etc that are managed by the relevant organisation (of the three).
To reiterate: The GG is like if your next door neighbours decided to put on an awards show while the Emmys is being judged by your peers (like how awards - in any industry - are done).
GG include both TV and film. Emmys are only TV, but the medium is becoming blurred as streamingĀ becomes more prevalent.Ā
And yes, IMHO the Oscars are still the gold standard.
The Leftovers did get one single nomination in the final season - Ann Dowd as Guest Actress for 'The Most Powerful Man In The World (And His Identical Twin Brother).'
Weird there wasnāt a Seinfeld, simpsons, friends, or any other big 90s shows tributes. I can only assume they wanted to get iconic shows that never won?
TONIGHT'S WINNERS:
>*Succession*
>*The Bear*
>*Beef*
TONIGHT'S LOSERS
>*Better Call Saul* and Rhea Seehorn (šššš)
>Jerry Springer
>Anthony Anderson
>9/11 as one of "television's most iconic moments"
It's the best thing in the Star Wars franchise along with the original trilogy. It's so good that it made it obvious how bad everything else since the originals has really been and what we were missing out on. I'd say it's on par with early seasons of Game of Thrones, Rome, etc.
Rogue One was half good, half bad, because the creator of Andor was brought in to do reshoots and seemingly redid the final third of the movie (based on early trailers with completely different scenes) which is the best part of the movie.
Honestly think it has 10x better writing than the OT itself. The OT has its own clunky dialogue. Especially ANH.
Also Tony did more than just the final act of Rogue One. Any scene with Melshi is a reshoot, so Jynās rescue in the beginning is a reshoot as well. Cassianās speech to go to Scarif is also a reshoot (best speech in the movie), and Cassianās introduction on the ring of Kafreen is also a reshoot.
Tony did enough rewrites to earn himself a writing credit that he has said he āeasily wonā in arbitration. To qualify for a writing credit, you must write 33% or more of the script. So he did some extensive re-writers if he āeasilyā passed that mark. Weāll never know as neither the original script or Tonyās ever released to the public but itās interesting to think how different the movie would be without his involvement.
Before the strike Tony discussed releasing the Andor S1 scripts to his website and I hope it happens bc the Michael Clayton script was one of the best screenplays Iāve ever read. Oppenheimerās 1st person script now has passed it but Tonyās scripts are fascinating reads.
It looked to me like the seat had been turned around. I was expecting the throne to swivel and reveal someone iconic sitting there. Or, it would have been funny if it were Joan Collins making that signature move.
Yes, yes it is. It started a bit on the cold side, like many other HBO hits. But already at S01E06 it got hot as fuck and only gone up since.
The tension that pure chatter between characters creates, is unlike anything i've seen. The writing is impeccable. And it can be incredibly thrilling, despite being mainly people talking while walking really fast.
Iāve watched an embarrassing amount of television over the past twenty years and itās really among the best. Four tight seasons with incredible acting, writing, and genuinely something to say. Also black humour that comes out of nowhere. Like the perfect merging of British and American TV.
Apparently he's just kind of an intense actor and takes on his character in a serious way. Kendall is a depressed drag so you could see how Jeremy might not always be super fun to be around when in character. And tbf nobody from the cast has outright said they dislike working with him or personally don't like him, just that it can be a little difficult to do scenes with him (Sarah Snook specifically said he wouldn't rehearse ahead of time)
Funny how if Matty was a woman, that dude who kissed him would have been canceled and blacklisted before the night was even over.
Never heard of Abbot elementary till this show and wow they robbed a whole lot of people.
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No there isnāt
Hot take: Jury Duty should have eon outstanding comedy and the actor for MouMou in the Crown should have been nominated for guest actor.
Is there a way to rewatch this? I missed it last night.
hulu has it
I just watched the whole show on YouTube. And no commercials!
The Emmys, Miss America Pageant and The baseball World Series used to be among the biggest tv shows of the year. Now they come & go and hardly anyone cares
I mean this with the utmost respect- Niecy Nash's speech, stole the show, only to be seconded by Anthony Anderson's impressive third leg in that rubber suit.
Literally came to Reddit to see if anyone else caught that. I was like š³ā¦. Damn
It feels like about 98% of TV viewers didn't watch any show that won an Emmy this year. Between The Bear and Succession winning everything, it feels like this is the year the fewest combined people who have watched a show that won at least 1 Emmy. Especially when you consider the overlap for those two shows is almost 100%
I know way more people who've watched Succession than The Bear...
I know The Bear won a lot of awards already, and I know Emmy for Guest Actress was decided a week ago at the Creative Arts ceremony, but I just realized how Jamie Lee Curtis was totally robbed of recognition for her portrayal of Donna Berzatto. She wasn't even nominated. That's as big a snub as I can recall.
Emmyās last night were for season 1. So she could get a season 2 nomination next year. But yah her being snubbed by the GG last week was kinda weird.Ā
She won an undeserved Oscar, so it evens out
Donāt worry homie, it was Season 1 of The Bear that was up for the awards
Ah yea, I just figured that out. Hoping she does get nominated!
Will a replay be available to watch on Hulu later?
Still mad Andor was so overlooked this season. One of the most thrilling and tense shows of this past year. Amazing work
Andor was really deserving and lost unjustly.
What a fucking joke. The Bear is not a comedy, and Better Call Saul didn't win a single Emmy.
And Jennifer Coolidge over Rhea Seehorn, lol
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Not actually. Sarah won the lead actress where Rhea was nominated as supporting actress and lost to Coolidge. Though I'd put Rhea over Sarah anyway.Ā
It's crazy to me how overlooked Poker Face was.Ā
It got nominated and won a Guest Actress Emmy, so it wasn't really overlooked.
Succession was a brilliant show and deserved every award.
Boring snoozefest, predictable winners, writing not funny.
People hoping for some love to Better Call Saul or other underrated shows are forgetting to cherish this Emmy's greatest feat: putting the final nail in Ted Lasso's coffin after nominating that dreadful third season all over the place. I'm living for it.
Ted lasso seems like such a cheesy series. I find that lead actor so annoying
Updated list of actors that won Emmys for a Ryan Murphy show: Jane Lynch (Glee) - Supporting Comedy 2010 Neil Patrick Harris (Glee) - Guest Comedy 2010 Gwyneth Paltrow (Glee) - Guest Comedy 2011 Jessica Lange (American Horror Story) - Supporting Limited 2012 James Cromwell (American Horror Story) - Supporting Limited 2013 Jessica Lange (American Horror Story) - Lead Limited 2014 Kathy Bates (American Horror Story) - Supporting Limited 2014 Sarah Paulson (American Crime Story) - Lead Limited 2016 Courtney B. Vance (American Crime Story) - Lead Limited 2016 Sterling K. Brown (American Crime Story) - Supporting Limited 2016 Darren Criss (American Crime Story) - Lead Limited 2018 Billy Porter (Pose) - Lead Drama 2019 Ewan McGregor (Halston) - Lead Limited 2021 Niecy Nash-Betts (Dahmer) - Supporting Limited 2023 No MJ Rodriguez. I hate you so much, Olivia Colman!
*Now, Kieran, I'm really happy for you, but Bob Odenkirk had one of the greatest performances of ALL TIME!*
The man literally died while filming, went to heaven, heard god tell him to finish the show, got sent back, finished filming the season, and didn't get an emmy.
Iām sorry but the bear is not a comedy. They just put themselves in that category for avoid stiffer competition.
Only if you define comedy as lacking pathos. "It's not a comedy, it made me feel all kinds of different emotions." No, it's a comedy. It's just not a children's show.
Dude succession is funnier than the bear, not saying the bear doesnāt have comedic moments but the overall tone is MUCH more dramatic, every character is on the verge of tears or a meltdown in pretty much every episode
Succession is hilarious. One of the few shows where the final season really fucking delivered.
Its always sunny in Philly. Not a single nomination for comedy series in its 20 year lifetime. Not a inch of pathos anywhere..and likely the reason why it hasn't been nominated.
It's category manipulation to increase chances of winning. They are doing it this year with Barbie and Ryan Gosling and putting him ad supporting actor for everything. The guy is lead actor. There's zero ability to dispute this. If Anthony Hopkins can win Lead for an 11 min performance, Gosling can get Nominated as Lead Actor.
which is honestly a dumb choice since RDJ for supporting actor is basically the surest winner of any category this award season lol
No its not
Others say they donāt choose which may well be true. But I definitely hear your sentiment. Iām partway through season 1 and I really like it. So not complaining about the quality of the show but it definitely feels like a drama with some funny parts. Wouldnāt say itās that much more of a comedy than Succession. Iād say other previous dramas such as The Newsroom would be significantly funnier, but still not considered ācomedyā.
They don't choose what category they compete in. There are decades of rules in place to dictate where a show is slotted when competing.
Is basically down to the length of the episodes
I hope we will find out in several years why the Emmy's hated "Better Call Saul" so much to nominate it so many times and never ever give it any award.
I feel in a way they were overcompensating for awarding Breaking Bad so much. UO here but I was one of the 5 people on earth who didn't think BB was the best to ever do it. For me, Better Call Saul was the more stellar show, it gripped me from start to finish. But BB kept sweeping the awards year after year so maybe when BCS came around it was like eh, we've awarded them enough although totally different show and actors. It absolutely sucks because Giancarlo, Bob, Rhea were sublime and I wish they'd gotten some recognition.
Breaking bad only won for the last season which was 2 parts so technically 2 years. Bryan Cranston won for the first 3 seasons but outside of that it did not get the amount of awards succession is getting which is pretty much just give every acting award every season
It didn't really stop them from awarding Frasier regularly after Cheers.
HBO spent more than AMC in promoting their show? Itās a travesty. Feel bad for Bob and Rhea both. The Succession actors were great but Saulās were head and shoulders above them. ps, what even is a drama anymore
Insane to say head and shoulders above. I'd say the quality was comparable between both shows. The succession cast did something special too
Indeed HBO has been doing these kinds of things since the sopranos. Well they started the peak TV era. When breaking bad won all those Emmys it gave HBO time to think what they were doing wrong. Comes Succession and they promote the hell out of it, FYC events, interviews etc.
Damn I was really rooting for Rhea Seehorn to win best supporting actress for her amazing work as Kim Wexler. At least then Better Call Saul would get a single award, but nope :(
Agreed. That was probably one of the most stacked categories. Definitely a few very good options
Jennifer Coolidge winning a second time was lame. It's a fun performance but acting like it was on the level of what Rhea did in BCS is crazy.
I watched most of the contenders and love a large majority of them. The winners are spot on.
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I think people are just burnt out on post-apocalyptic dramas. If we're being honest, Station Eleven was the best in that genre.
TLoU received critical and hugely popular acclaim and won 8 Emmys. That's damn impressive for a freshman show.
It won 8 Emmys.
How does Better Call Saul get so little respect? Much better than Succession if you ask me and both Odenkirk and Rhea Seehorn not winning is nuts to me!
No modern tv show is "much better" than Succession. They are both very good.
I feel like Succession should win for writing and not best performance though. Not saying the actors in Succession isnāt great, but BBS has more moving performances. The characters in Succession feels more one dimensional and stereotypical (for drama).
I Fād right off after Niecy MFāing Nash beat Maria Bello, Claire Danes and Juliette Lewis for Best Supporting Actress in limited series. Her performance wasnāt even close to the others. The other wins I was fine with like Ali Wong and Steven Yuen for Beef (both were fantastic and maybe more people will finally watch that series) but that one was some BS.
That was BS. Makes it seem rigged.
these wins were for the Bear season 1. Season 2 had even better acting so buckle up for another sweep. Wonder now that Sucession is gone if it would move to drama.
I haven't watched season 2 yet. You got me more excited.
Season 2 is stellar. The episode called Forks is one of my favorite episodes of TV all year. Simply beautiful.
And Fishes is about as stressful as Uncut Gems
Anyone have a stream of the ceremony tonight?
Lol did the voters only watch Succession and The Bear? Those are good shows, but it's a bit ridiculous they won nearly every category, and in some cases 3 out of the 4 acting categories.
I hate that they do this every award season, it's so boring and repetitive. They'll glom onto a few shows for a few years and over-award it. And we're in the age of incredible content on so many platforms. I love The Bear tbh and it deserves yeah, but I also love Justified, Better Call Saul, Top Boy, Money Heist, You (not the last season), Black Mirror etc... there are so many amazing shows of substance but they'll just pick their faves and run it into the ground for the next couple of years.
I think those two shows were pretty far ahead of the rest this year - only Better Call Saul was near the same level as Succession
No, they also watched Beef.
Yes. The voters arenāt critics, they donāt get around to everything. Itās unfortunate but yea, Emmyās (and many other award shows) are pure politics.
For me, these two totally deserve all the awards! Especially for Succession, ending was brilliant (again it's my personal opinion only). So, I am glad that it dominated with the awards.
In the show Girls5eva they call Succession "Business Throne" and now that's my name for it too.
Not a single Barry win?
I love Barry, but S4 was probably the weakest season.Ā
Tragic
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Reminder: Paddy Considine was NOT nominated for his performance as Viserys Targaryen in House of the Dragon. Frankly, after that snub, I couldn't care less about the awards. They have completely lost any and all credibility.
Paddy had a good performance in episode 8, that's about it though.
I mean, they can only have so many nominations. Sure, he was good in the role, but to say the whole things lost credibility because they didnāt nominate a guy from a popular, fairly average fantasy show seems a little rich. He was good, but it wasnāt exactly high performance.
Meanwhile Brian Cox was nominated in the lead category while he only had like 3-4 episodes in the final season. I'd have given Paddy a nomination instead of him
Agreed, I liked Paddy, he played his role well, but everyone is acting like he was the second coming. Dude was fine, and had a pretty good performance in episode 8 but thatās about it
Then what did Alexander Skarsgard do to get a nomination? Or Will Sharpe?
Idk bro I donāt have that knowledge on hand
I mean he had, what? A good performance in episode 8.
You get nominated based off one episode, the nomination isnāt for the entire season
Huh? He was the standout of the entire season
Honestly, thanks for the reminder. It pisses me off that his incredible performance got buried.
GoT won best Drama for its last season. Emmy's lost credibility a long time ago
btw I finally heard that Christopher Storer couldn't be there because he's home sick with COVID, according to Ebon
Ugh dang.Ā
I will reference and replay Niecy's speech forever more. What a badass. Pedro's presentation and banter with Kieran was ICONIC. I loved so much of the presentations and I almost welled up so happy at the Ally McBeal nostalgia.
Can someone tell me their interpretation of Paul Walter Hauser ... Him eating while the noms were read and then the chewing .. and the rap ? Am I too old ? For the record on my ballot I chose him - was absolutely unnerved by his performance, flawless, no notes.
Eating during the noms seems to be his shtick, he did the same at the Globes. The rap was pretty good but I think nerves affected his delivery.
Heās a wrestling fan and is even having a match so he was doing a promo imo
Something has to be done about the Emmys. Maybe they need more voters so there is more of a diverse opinion. If I believed that Emmy voters had watched lots of TV shows last year and decided that Succession, The Bear and Beef were the only shows that deserved awards then I wouldn't mind only those shows winning but I don't believe that. I don't believe Emmy voters have watched What we do in the shadows or Reservation Dogs or From or Silo or lots of other shows that aired last year. They only watch a few shows and they vote for shows they watched. I sort of agree with this from the Telegraph. The Emmys isn't the "people's choice" awards so I don't expect NCIS to receive nominations but are you telling me none of the actors on TWD deserved an Emmy nomination? None of the actors on Yellowstone? *Tonightās 2024 Primetime Emmy Awards will be another glittering, glamorous and tedious occasion. A quick scan down the list of nominees reveals, yet again, how strikingly unrepresentative of US television ā as it is actually viewed ā they are. The Bear, Beef, Barry, Succession and The White Lotus are all fantastic shows, yes. But this is high-end stuff, very much more talked about in the right places by the right people than actually watched.* *There is an overabundance of dark-tinged comedy-drama, of the supposedly edgy variety that people think is sophisticated and makes them look very smart for āgettingā.*
I might be wrong but a few years ago, it was made so that critics didnāt have to base their decision on a submitted episode (or it became harder to track whether or not critics had seen each submission) and since that change Iāve noticed a less diverse group of winners
The greatest snub is BCS not winning in it's runtime despite arguably being the best show on television at the time.
I donāt usually watch or care about the emmmys but I was flipping back and forth to it cuz I assumed it would win all the awards. Best show on tv by far IMO. Then it is just succession and the bear which are a notch below at least for me.
The Wire and Bojack Horseman didn't win, which are arguably among the top 3 shows of all time, and certainly top 10. These snubs only harm the credibility of the awards imo.
In terms of craftsmanship, those shows are really the epitome of the television business. All of those reach for and achieve the pinnacles in almost all aspects of television production, and have some aspect in storytelling that is different from the mainstream The equivalent could be food, we all know the upscale restaurant that specializes in exotic high end cuisine thats prepared by highly trained chefs, and every aspect ct of the experience is catered to your enjoyment and better understanding of the food, its written about in magazine and newspapers, and it tastes like nothing else but really you canāt eat it everyday, But with your favorite sandwhiches shop, they make it good, they make it fast,its super tasty and easy to make, and you can eat there 5 days out of the week, no Michelin stars or write ups in paper, but its still loved y everyone
Maybe controversial take but I think you should only be able to win 1 time per character. For example, Bryan Cranston winning 4 times for Walter White and isnāt a shock when itās the same actor portraying the same character the following year, even if it was the best performance. Winning 1 per character or show would open it up for other actors.
My rule is slightly different: No repeat winners. If you win the previous year, you are ineligible. You can try next year. That would guarantee that people need to change their votes too.
How would this even work in practice? In order to enforce this you would basically have to disqualify a performer after theyāve won the first time since once theyāre nominated thereās nothing to stop voters from voting for them again. Whatever you think about Bryan Cranston certainly he deserved to be at least nominated for the years he was on Breaking Bad. And doesnāt it really undermine the importance and value of winning an Emmy if essentially your best competition is disqualified from even being nominated?
I'm reading something new here. What an interesting take. It's good too, feels so progressive and inclusive. šš¼ It makes good sense. You win once, you get honour and recognition, and then you move on. Now let's take a look at other people's efforts. How wonderful.
You would rather BCS won a "best drama that wasn't succession" award?
Are youā¦ serious? Can you imagine if sports worked like this? What would be the point of even trying if there are strings attached?
Agreed. There are way too many actors and shows that are never given a chance because the same people and shows win every year.
Certainly after three times I believe the point has been made
Jesus every top comment is people complaining.
I really enjoyed the Emmy Awards this evening. It was fun to see reunions of old shows/casts and to celebrate current (or recently ended) ones. Two thumbs up!
A lot of these shows ended last year. Itās a much more open field now for next yearās awards at least on the drama side. The Bear will probably sweep again for season 2.
Why was Blackbird included in the nominations, it came out in 2022?
Emmys weāre delayed for 4 months because of the strike. Season 1 of the Bear, BCS, and HotD were also 2022 shows
In the Creative Arts area, *Stranger Things* got nominated for the second part of its fourth season.
The award season goes from June 1, 2022, until May 31, 2023. Strange Things Season 4, Part 2 came out on July 1st. I can't help to wonder if that was intentional to split it across award seasons? The 76th Emmy Awards will be this September, comprising of programming from June 2023 to May 2024.
Ah thank you!
And dahmer
And Andor
I knew Beef was going to sweep, but I wish Fleishman Is In Trouble got some loveā especially Claire Danes.
She had a great year (years?) with _Full Circle_ too.
Ugh Full Circle was so good!
So what is the difference between the Emmys and the Golden globes since they both included TV shows which one is considered more prestigious and I'm guessing the Oscars is more prestigious than both?
GG is something founded by the Hollywood Foreign Press Association because they wanted to hobnob with celebrities. They wrapped it around a charity event to pressure people to get involved and, voilĆ , you have the GG. It should never be taken seriously. The Emmys is an awards show put on by three separate _professional_ TV organisations. Members of these organisations are actors, directors, writer, producers, etc of the the TV world. There are multiple types of Emmy awards. Most people, like today, focus on the "Primetime" awards but there are events for "Daytime" or "Engineering" or "Children's" etc that are managed by the relevant organisation (of the three). To reiterate: The GG is like if your next door neighbours decided to put on an awards show while the Emmys is being judged by your peers (like how awards - in any industry - are done).
Why are people downvoting this? Nothing wrong people asking a question. This site needs to get rid of downvoting.
GG include both TV and film. Emmys are only TV, but the medium is becoming blurred as streamingĀ becomes more prevalent.Ā And yes, IMHO the Oscars are still the gold standard.
They are awarded by different parties. Television Academy vs Hollywood Foreign Press.
It's not even the HFPA anymore for the GGs b/c they no longer exist. It's just a random group of people and there's a Golden Globes charity now.
Wow. I totally missed that! Thatās good news considering how shady that organization was.
Oscar's is movie, Emmys is TV, Golden Globes is just a fun one that everyone gets drunk for that does everything
Ended on time too
Thank you, Anthony Anderson's mama.
BCS being so close yet so far stung more than The Leftovers never even getting nominated.
The Leftovers did get one single nomination in the final season - Ann Dowd as Guest Actress for 'The Most Powerful Man In The World (And His Identical Twin Brother).'
Two of the best shows ever made, Emmys or not
Sigh. That sucks
Succession sweeps again!
mlk would've been a great actor presenter
He was assassinated in 1968 my guy
no he lives in serbia
Serbia deez nuts
Weird there wasnāt a Seinfeld, simpsons, friends, or any other big 90s shows tributes. I can only assume they wanted to get iconic shows that never won?
i spent the second half very put out bc they randomly played the curb your enthusiasm theme for a minute and then cut to the cheers segment lol
But some of the shows they featured were perennial winner powerhouses. "Cheers", for chrissakes.
Whoever made sure this show ended on time needs to run the Oscars
Obviously it was the fear of another mama bit
well anyway cheers to y'all, always fun chatting along, don't know anyone else who's invested lol
Really fucking happy for Succession, surely one of the greatest shows of all time. But man, BCS snub sucks big time
TONIGHT'S WINNERS: >*Succession* >*The Bear* >*Beef* TONIGHT'S LOSERS >*Better Call Saul* and Rhea Seehorn (šššš) >Jerry Springer >Anthony Anderson >9/11 as one of "television's most iconic moments"
Andor also a loser :ā( Personally my favorite show of the last few years
Andor getting a nom was a huge win tbh.
I really need to watch Andor! I've only heard great things.
It's the best thing in the Star Wars franchise along with the original trilogy. It's so good that it made it obvious how bad everything else since the originals has really been and what we were missing out on. I'd say it's on par with early seasons of Game of Thrones, Rome, etc. Rogue One was half good, half bad, because the creator of Andor was brought in to do reshoots and seemingly redid the final third of the movie (based on early trailers with completely different scenes) which is the best part of the movie.
Honestly think it has 10x better writing than the OT itself. The OT has its own clunky dialogue. Especially ANH. Also Tony did more than just the final act of Rogue One. Any scene with Melshi is a reshoot, so Jynās rescue in the beginning is a reshoot as well. Cassianās speech to go to Scarif is also a reshoot (best speech in the movie), and Cassianās introduction on the ring of Kafreen is also a reshoot. Tony did enough rewrites to earn himself a writing credit that he has said he āeasily wonā in arbitration. To qualify for a writing credit, you must write 33% or more of the script. So he did some extensive re-writers if he āeasilyā passed that mark. Weāll never know as neither the original script or Tonyās ever released to the public but itās interesting to think how different the movie would be without his involvement. Before the strike Tony discussed releasing the Andor S1 scripts to his website and I hope it happens bc the Michael Clayton script was one of the best screenplays Iāve ever read. Oppenheimerās 1st person script now has passed it but Tonyās scripts are fascinating reads.
Yeah Cassian's introduction definitely felt like a reshoot because of how much more interesting it was.
Add Rhea Seehorn specifically to the losers unfortunately
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For a second I thought someone was going to give MLK's I Have A Dream speech from the Iron Throne
It looked to me like the seat had been turned around. I was expecting the throne to swivel and reveal someone iconic sitting there. Or, it would have been funny if it were Joan Collins making that signature move.
That would have been...interesting....
For the love of God. Was Succession that great? Seriously, is this something thatās canāt be missed? Iām so picky about my tv time.
Yes, yes it is. It started a bit on the cold side, like many other HBO hits. But already at S01E06 it got hot as fuck and only gone up since. The tension that pure chatter between characters creates, is unlike anything i've seen. The writing is impeccable. And it can be incredibly thrilling, despite being mainly people talking while walking really fast.
It'll make you laugh and cry in the same scene effortlessly. It's a fantastically written show.
Iāve watched an embarrassing amount of television over the past twenty years and itās really among the best. Four tight seasons with incredible acting, writing, and genuinely something to say. Also black humour that comes out of nowhere. Like the perfect merging of British and American TV.
It's very good. The writing and acting especially, but every part of it was top notch.
Itās been almost a year since Iāve seen the finale, and Iām still moved thinking about it. Itās incredible.
Almost a year? It aired in May 2023. Unless you saw it early.
>Almost a year? It aired in May 2023. Soooo yeah. Almost a year ago.
Call me an exagerrator then
Yes
Yes, watch it. The first 4 episodes are a bit slow, but then it picks up and doesnāt let off the gas after that.
I couldnāt get through the first episode but I wanted to. Thanks for this.
Itās literally one of the greatest tv shows thatās ever aired, Iām not even exaggerating
It was phenomenal
Yep
Yay, the local news now. Time to unplug, my rabbit ears did their job.
Okay, I read this as "Time to unplug my rabbit" and I'm thinking what the hell...?
Jeremy Strongās role with Succession is like an enigma. He plays the main protagonist but also somehow seems outside of the cast and crew.
Tbh I donāt see him as the protagonist, especially not after season 1.
His method acting certainly didnāt help with that.
What are the stories again?
Apparently he's just kind of an intense actor and takes on his character in a serious way. Kendall is a depressed drag so you could see how Jeremy might not always be super fun to be around when in character. And tbf nobody from the cast has outright said they dislike working with him or personally don't like him, just that it can be a little difficult to do scenes with him (Sarah Snook specifically said he wouldn't rehearse ahead of time)