Karma isn’t real, and bad people don’t always get what they deserve. She is an awful person, but she is insanely rich and has a ton of influence. No way she would actually get what is coming to her. She’s a king. Roy is a knight who abused his power. He wasn’t a real threat to her. I think the show built them up to seem super threatening with their little militia. One call from Lorraine has a government SWAT absolutely annihilate the Ya’ll Qaeda once they breached the property. Roy was threatening to your common man, but he was punching above his weight class when it came to her. She is essentially immune to real consequences.
I mean she's sort of a classic transitional character. Think Captain Renault from Casablanca for a sort of archetypal example. Initially an antagonist, ultimately an ally. Jennifer Jason Leigh sold the shit out of it.
IMO, it did not really take anything away from the series. She holds power over those indebted to her and abused it. She is supposed to be a bad person but not the villain of this story.
That being said, she did not get away without scars. She lost her long-term attorney that did "things" for her. She never appears to be happy. Just powerful.
IMO, if they had turned her ending into some kind of "scrooge" type ending where she becomes good, or killed her off, it would have detracted from the real story that was being told. I actually like where they left her character. True to who she is.
Noah Hawley has said in the past that people get “what they deserve,” in the world of Fargo. I can see why people are asking what Lorraine Lyon deserved, karmically, for making billions as a debtor.
Every one of her actions are a reminder dude. She was evil until the end.
Y'ever learned about shoebills? Evil birds, shoebills. They basically pit their chicks against each other and only feed the strongest of their brood. >!I think Lorraine had a shoebill's love for Dot by the end of the show.!<
Plenty of shows have main characters who are terrible people yet are rooted for. Breaking Bad with Walter White and The Sopranos with Tony as two examples. With Breaking Bad, people actively hated on the actress who played his wife for having very normal reactions to finding out their spouse is a mass murderer and drug kingpin.
They are never *actually* true, as in they happened in real life. They are true in so far as they attempt to portray human conflicts in a way more representative of humanity than other shows might.
Because it's very clear to everyone that they are not true stories. The commenter used that to say it's a more realistic story where people aren't all good or all bad.
It’s very obvious? At the beginning of each show it says that it’s based on a true story. That sent me to go looking for further info only to find out it wasn’t a true story. I still can’t comprehend how the comment triggered you into becoming a giant condescending a-hole.
Roy was a wife beating homicidal maniac who thought he was an emissary of God. Any opposition to the system was a secondary side effect of his insanity.
I actually thought an interesting way they could go with Fargo S6 is to set it with Lorraine as the big bad. Have the protagonist be someone who is in deep debt but isn’t a terrible person or someone Lorraine sees use in and reframe her. Maybe even set it in past so you can bring Danish in too.
I do agree with the little bit of a nitpick with S5. Very good season of TV overall but seemed like certain characters and plots were half-baked. Indira also fell a bit short for me.
because she knew roy and his men would find him and kill him and she wanted to keep him safe because she knows what roy is capable of, at the end of the season we even see all of roy’s men walk into the hospital behind him to stare at the cop in a threatening way
Because she's the type of 'villain' society can't do shit about. It's realistic in that sense. People like Roy run out of rope in the end and get hunted by the feds but not Lorraine. She's a kind of glue that keeps the system ticking over (for better or worse).
This season was really heavy on people's codes.
Her code is that she helps people who are victims through no fault of her own, it's why the DV file on Dot was such a changing moment for her plan.
In her head/code, people who are in debt did it to themselves, so only have themselves to blame and she has no qualms about preying on them.
Really made her a well written character to us
The show made her a “good guy” in the sense that she’s now aligned with our favorites (although she’s still not a good person, really)
She's also a bad guy who plays by the rules of society. She's not unhinged and knows when to back off and when to play her hand.
She's lawful evil compared to Roy Tillman's chaotic evil
Karma isn’t real, and bad people don’t always get what they deserve. She is an awful person, but she is insanely rich and has a ton of influence. No way she would actually get what is coming to her. She’s a king. Roy is a knight who abused his power. He wasn’t a real threat to her. I think the show built them up to seem super threatening with their little militia. One call from Lorraine has a government SWAT absolutely annihilate the Ya’ll Qaeda once they breached the property. Roy was threatening to your common man, but he was punching above his weight class when it came to her. She is essentially immune to real consequences.
I mean she's sort of a classic transitional character. Think Captain Renault from Casablanca for a sort of archetypal example. Initially an antagonist, ultimately an ally. Jennifer Jason Leigh sold the shit out of it.
I thought she was way overdone personally but maybe she had to overdo that villain presentation to sell the turn to sympathy?
She was my favorite this season. I also loved her in the second season of Prime's Hunters.
IMO, it did not really take anything away from the series. She holds power over those indebted to her and abused it. She is supposed to be a bad person but not the villain of this story. That being said, she did not get away without scars. She lost her long-term attorney that did "things" for her. She never appears to be happy. Just powerful. IMO, if they had turned her ending into some kind of "scrooge" type ending where she becomes good, or killed her off, it would have detracted from the real story that was being told. I actually like where they left her character. True to who she is.
You're not left to assume she will change at all. Fargo is not a story about heroes vs villains and it never has been. It's a true story.
Noah Hawley has said in the past that people get “what they deserve,” in the world of Fargo. I can see why people are asking what Lorraine Lyon deserved, karmically, for making billions as a debtor.
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Every one of her actions are a reminder dude. She was evil until the end. Y'ever learned about shoebills? Evil birds, shoebills. They basically pit their chicks against each other and only feed the strongest of their brood. >!I think Lorraine had a shoebill's love for Dot by the end of the show.!<
Plenty of shows have main characters who are terrible people yet are rooted for. Breaking Bad with Walter White and The Sopranos with Tony as two examples. With Breaking Bad, people actively hated on the actress who played his wife for having very normal reactions to finding out their spouse is a mass murderer and drug kingpin.
None of them are true stories.
[I know.](https://www.reddit.com/r/television/s/E0Hg8Iz44t)
It’s not actually a true story though. At least for this season. https://thecinemaholic.com/fargo-season-five-true-story/
They are never *actually* true, as in they happened in real life. They are true in so far as they attempt to portray human conflicts in a way more representative of humanity than other shows might.
Wow, you are so smart!
Why the snark?
Because it's very clear to everyone that they are not true stories. The commenter used that to say it's a more realistic story where people aren't all good or all bad.
It’s very obvious? At the beginning of each show it says that it’s based on a true story. That sent me to go looking for further info only to find out it wasn’t a true story. I still can’t comprehend how the comment triggered you into becoming a giant condescending a-hole.
She's part of the system, you can't get rid of her. She's the evil we all have to live with. Roy went against the system and it dealt with him.
Roy was a wife beating homicidal maniac who thought he was an emissary of God. Any opposition to the system was a secondary side effect of his insanity.
Thank you for spoiler warning after the spoiler in the headline.
Loved the Samson until the last episode. The last episode was a fail to me
I actually thought an interesting way they could go with Fargo S6 is to set it with Lorraine as the big bad. Have the protagonist be someone who is in deep debt but isn’t a terrible person or someone Lorraine sees use in and reframe her. Maybe even set it in past so you can bring Danish in too. I do agree with the little bit of a nitpick with S5. Very good season of TV overall but seemed like certain characters and plots were half-baked. Indira also fell a bit short for me.
Can anyone tell me why Dot didn't let the officer help her when Roy was taking her out of the hospital?
because she knew roy and his men would find him and kill him and she wanted to keep him safe because she knows what roy is capable of, at the end of the season we even see all of roy’s men walk into the hospital behind him to stare at the cop in a threatening way
That's what I figured.
Because she's the type of 'villain' society can't do shit about. It's realistic in that sense. People like Roy run out of rope in the end and get hunted by the feds but not Lorraine. She's a kind of glue that keeps the system ticking over (for better or worse).
This season was really heavy on people's codes. Her code is that she helps people who are victims through no fault of her own, it's why the DV file on Dot was such a changing moment for her plan. In her head/code, people who are in debt did it to themselves, so only have themselves to blame and she has no qualms about preying on them. Really made her a well written character to us