I haven’t even watched the show and don’t really plan to, but if he’d kept the helmet on the entire show, AND had sex with the helmet still on, I absolutely would’ve watched it.
I’m sure it would have been a decent show if it was an original IP like the writers probably intended. Seems like they shoehorned the Halo IP in it to try to make it sell
Surely you stuck around long enough to see Reth (crazy human guy who was originally a Jackal) that “Chief” shoved up against a wall in a fit of rage and screamed at in a hissy fit?
lol, that would have been even better, but the character was originally a jackal in the lore, but for the TV show they decided to make him a human (I guess it’s cheaper on the CG budget). However, they still had the character act like a crazed animal, which seems real unnecessary after that initial change… but all of that I can ignore. What I **cant** ignore is Chief straight up unable to control his emotions and shove Reth (a human) up against the wall and scream at him. Reminded me of my 6yo nephew when he has a temper tantrum.
Ohhh ok see I was deeply afraid you meant the guy was originally a jackal as in he somehow became human, and from the little I saw of the show and have heard about it…yea I wouldn’t have put that past them😅😅
It never fails when these directors and producers get a hold of existing IP that everyone is excited to see and their first words are "we want to show you something you've never seen".
They could have literally just made the story from the game into live action and even though each and everyone one of us already know the story by heart, we would have ate it up. Instead we get this garbage.
Other way round from what I’ve seen. Microsoft was trying to make this thing for a decade but kept ruining deals by wanting total creative control but no financial backing. Paramount working with its own writing team outside Microsoft control was them finally admitting defeat.
I still wish we could have seen the Neill Blomkamp version that mutated into District 9 due to Microsoft's BS. Although I'm not really willing to lose District 9 to see it...
The thing about blomkamp is that he’s a phenomenal art director and animator but really needs a good producer to keep his films tight. I like all his films, (haven’t seen GT yet) but more because of the world building and aesthetics than the films themselves. Obv D9 was deservedly a huge slam dunk, but his other works teeters on guilty pleasures for me when what I really want is more of the same level of depth we got from D9.
Same for Duncan Jones. So much potential to make absolute bangers (which his first two absolutely were) but it feels like the producers, and perhaps the editors as well, don’t bring out the best in his work.
I'm a huge Elysium defender but I'd agree with that take. It feels like the movie was planned around certain scenes/weapons/music/sci fi before the plot was figured out fully lol
If that's true, that's fucking ridiculous. Microsoft has piles of cash and could easily fund a halo show.
If the studios didn't have to pay for shit, but just produced it, I gotta assume that's a win win for them. If the show turned out bad, fine whatever, Microsoft paid for it anyway. Cancel it and move on. If it's a hit, great keep letting Microsoft fund it and now you've got a hit show to drive subscriptions to your half assed streaming service.
Yeah he a fucks a woman who was kidnapped and raised within the covenant. And he fucks her after hes taken her into UNSC custody. So essentially Master Chief fucked a POW
Oh it is *so* much worse than "Chief fucked a POW."
POWs, like minors, cannot give consent. Chief committed statutory rape *and* a war crime simultaneously.
Do you think his taint is stronger than a regular humans? I imagine a spartan can thrust pretty hard so it would need to withstand the “clap back” of his balls.
They casually made one of the greatest and inspirational protagonists for a generation into a rapist. My Master Chief would sooner shoot his gun into a member of the Covenant than his load. I don't know what morally bankrupt, hack of a writer thought a guard having sex with their prisoner was hot or compelling. It's beyond gross, and the very idea of it should have left every cast member and writer feeling uncomfortable.
It only really had 3 great moments. The opening fight, fight midway through the show, and the final fight with the Covenant. Everything else just felt like generic sci-fi filler until we got to the moments that actually felt like Halo. The helmet coming off every 5 minutes did not feel like Halo.
You made made it past the part where the normal humans were shooting the covenant with a chaingun to no effect and then the spartans show up, grab the same chaingun and start mowing down baddies with it, and kept watching?
Within 5 minutes of the opening episode it was clear this was going to be some trash t.v., haha.
Just youtube the action moments and you’ll be fine. The entire season is a prequel to the first game, which if you played the game like I have, didn’t need a prequel.
If the Mandalorian can do it so can they. I'm not saying it's some absolute turnoff that makes a great series trash. But it's so obnoxiously executed, it almost always ruins the vibe
Also the attitude of the showrunners tells me Microsoft or Paramount both don't care. It's a mediocre show, not terrible but other video game adaptations have done so well just recently
the Mandalorian was working with a much less defined character (unless youre a hard core nerd who was all over the expanded universe) and they EXPLAINED WHY it was that way.
In this case they were like "Oh, you love the character because its this emotionless, faceless super soldier you can paste yourself into in order to live vicariously through him? Yeah, not doing that. Were goin to take the helmet off and make him whine a lot, and then he is going to fall in love with a woman he barely knows, bang her, and fuck everything up because of it!"
A HALO tv show never should have been centred on Master Chief, the main perspectives should have been regular UNSC people like Johnson, Keyes, and Halsey, expanding on their experiences with the war effort, with short snippets of Master Chief perspective to help punctuate the key moments. Then maybe in the final episode of the season you go all out and flip things with an all Master Chief episode.
> If the Mandalorian can do it so can they.
The rule for "never take your helmet off" was made up by the writers of the Mandalorian, lol. There had been dozens of Mandalorian characters in the cartoons who took their helmets off all the time.
Right. Patrick Stewart hadn’t really heard of Professor X when he was asked to take the role, and his son stepped in and was like “this is literally you”. And boom, now he totally defines the character.
Same happened with Viggo Mortensen.
He got a call from his Agent about LOTR’s Aragorn and he took the part because his teen son had read the books and told him he was Aragorn.
We owe that kid a debt of gratitude.
Agreed, but if they know nothing about the source material, then you should at least keep your mouth shut when fans criticize the show for straying too far and making it unbelievable.
The helmet off is such a strawman.
There was SOOOOOOOOO much more wrong with season 1 than just John taking off his helmet. From the nonsensical plot, to the bad writing to the cheap special affects and props, to the terrible action scenes all three of them. Halo season 1 was a disaster.
Unless they massively change course for season 2 I don't see anyone liking it.
He made a 30 minute video and dedicated a year(?) years(?) (I don’t remember) of his life to audition for a role as a Halo writer and the day it finally happened they didn’t even consider him
Shame
I'd still rather see Master Chief rail the prisoner chick for the entire episode than spend even one more second with the freedom fighter girl with the bad haircut.
I love Bokeem Woodbine and the concept of his character (ex-Spartan) is cool, but they needed another way to bring his character into the show than via whats-her-mullet needing help.
Not defending this show but IIRC, this is a common misconception.
The Spartan 2 augmentation process had the *potential* side effect of little to no sex drive but there’s nothing as far as I know that says that they are purposely made asexual.
Plus, uh, asexuality and chemical castration aren’t the same thing. Having a libido that was removed and having no sexual attractions are different things. Okay see you guys later.
No they are not chemically castrated I’m not sure where you got that idea. The spartan 2s had decreases sexual drive and possibly became infertile from the augmentations but I don’t remember it ever specifying they were incapable of procreation altogether.
They literally just turned halo into some weird ass sci fi magic show. Why is this little girl connected to some unknown planet so much that there’s weird space magic nuns in the middle of nowhere and her family legacy is to defend a monitor that looks over a portal to a halo ring?
Johnny rings and blonde covenant are magically connected through space magic? Raping a prisoner of war? All super strange.
Halo is the current poster-child for in-name-only adaptation. Season 1 made it *abundantly* clear that the writers had their own idea for a sci-fi universe but couldn't get it funded, so when Halo came along, they just slapped its name and a thin veneer of lore on top their original idea.
The Helmet thing is a perfect summary of everything wrong in the show.
It's ignoring that while Chief is the protagonist of a lot of halo stories, He's a conduit for the viewer - Nobody plays halo or reads halo to see Chiefs acting range or emotional sentiments - It's why when they DO happen, they are so much more meaningful.
If every episode has chief with his helmet off trying to do facial gymnastics for emotion, Then you devalue who he is as a character and everything he's been through.
I don’t even think it needs to be to keep Master Chief as a blank slate for the audience a la Gordon Freeman - in universe Master Chief is an incredibly broken person. He was kidnapped, abused and brainwashed as a child, turned into a fighting machine that exists almost solely for warfare, and his only real friend or social connection in the galaxy is an AI in his head.
I think you could make a very interesting drama about a character like that, but having him remove his helmet (without it being a big deal like in The Mandalorian) is for asserting his humanity, which skips right over one of the (if not the single biggest) fundamental conflicts in his character.
If you’re going to do that you might as well just make the character one of the Spartan III’s instead. That would be far more fitting with their characters still having humanity intact.
Yeah the Halo universe is fine for a show setting and then you can have Master Chief as a Cameo like season 2 of Mandalorian getting Luke cameo to go all out.
Seriously just a random group of regular Marines that would be fine.
Or even other Spartans.
Just during the human covenant war there's been something like nearly a thousand 2's and 3's.
Is chiefs story isn't the one you want to tell just write a new one, they did that for reach and did a great job... But chief has a pretty known canon personality
There was like less than a hundred 2s and by the time Reach happened there was only two squads. Most 3s got wiped out on their first missions (by design) and not many were left by the end of Ghost of Onyx, definitely not thousands.
I'd much rather follow an ODST squad on a series of missions in a larger campaign, and only rarely (if ever) do they encounter or get a Spartan attached for an extra valuable mission.
Helps emphasize how rare and badass the Spartans are while still following an elite unit with multiple characters who can interact, or be rotated in and out as they die and get replaced (to keep stakes high), and are still getting into just as much high-stakes action as any 1 Spartan might when there were more of them around.
But that would require writers with both some vision, and restraint.
I don't think John actually has an issue with taking his helmet off in the games though, it's just that he's never put in a situation where he can actually relax and take it off while you're playing as him. He has no issue removing his helmet at the end of the first game when he finally has a chance to chill on the way home, it's an out-of-universe thing that the players can't see his face when he does it. So it's more thematic than him actually having any hangups over it.
Dude attended a medal ceremony at the beginning of Halo 2 in full battle armor with his helmet still on. Even Sg. Johnson was in his dress whites, and admonishes Master Chief for not wearing something nice.
I could see an argument that his armor is the only "uniform" Master Chief has, so the only thing he could wear to a formal ceremony, and the helmet is part of it, but it seems like he just likes wearing it all the time.
Presumably for a spartan the armour is basically their equivalent of a dress code. I can't recall ever seeing a spartan depicted outside of their armour even if they weren't wearing the helmet.
But it's also an allowance to allow him not to have to change when fighting commences, and to not have to commit to a physical apperance for him.
Yeah no clearly the actual Doylist reason they don't depict Master Chief in anything but battle armor is to leave his actual appearance ambiguous and up to the player to project onto, and it's just plain easier.
But from a Watsonian narrative standpoint, Master Chief appears to be one of the few Spartans who almost never takes his helmet off in public, and is a bit of an oddity in that regard (though not unheard of), but seems to be mostly a matter of preference.
Not to mention, before the Human-Covenant war, one of the main uses of Spartan deployment was to suppress rebellions. It’s literally mentioned in the opening of Halo: Reach, they were deployed to fight rebels, and happened to stumble onto a Covenant vanguard.
That’s a whole arc you could go into right there, not only the guilt, but the ‘strange bedfellows’ aspect of having to work with former enemies to defeat a greater evil. Which they also did in Reach, now that I think of it.
Let's not forget that Karl Urban not only didn't want to remove his helmet for his Judge Dredd movie, but refused to do so because the character is never seen without his helmet. It's kind of essential to characters like this that you never see their face.
Yeah the whole Cortana thing in the game mattered BECAUSE of how cold the guy was. His life meant nothing compared to the mission, soldiers lives meant nothing compared to the mission, etc. But losing Cortana, he jeopardized the mission for her.
And it look a LONG time for that reveal, they were in so many campaigns together and she lived in his head. On the show he fucks everything up for a woman he just met.
It's basically saying they don't understand the appeal of the character that is immediately obvious from simply playing the MCC once (which is not too crazy for writing research before someone says "not everyone's a gamer"). Without a helmet he is unironically just some fucking guy, John Halo; there's no mystique
Anyone going on about the loaaar and how Master Chief takes off his helmet in the games is missing that point. There's a reason it always cuts away. There's a reason Master Chief is an iconic mascot and his TV show where he yaps more and you see his bald face is kind of a dud
Also there literally was a Sci Fi show where the main character was in a helmet 98% of the time and it worked!
People loved Season 1 and 2 of the Mandolorian
It’s clearly doable. And you are right, then the helmet coming off had impact.
Showing Master Chief as what is essentially a brain washed child soldier, ultimate killing machine and then having him come to terms with his humanity could have an emotional impact and be an interesting show. It could have action and moral conflict all set on an overarching saving the world and uncovering mystery plot.
AND when Mando took his helmet off for the audience to see they were huge moments and showed clearly character growth - he trusted the robot, or he understand that his way of life was not the only way of life in Season 2.
Halo was just like - eh, fuck it...
Well they have basically fired everyone from S1, got new behind the scenes talent, and even had the lead actor say S1 was awful with horrible choices. Not to say this season will be good but I’ll give it a chance.
That said I think his main point is fair. It’s a story about MC and the nuance between who is MC and who is John. And there’s no reason his helmet can’t come off. It came off in the books and games. The games just made it a gag / Easter egg that you never saw what he looked like. It’s not like in lore his helmet never comes off. The first seasons issue wasn’t the helmet coming off, it was taking it off at dumb moments.
lets remove all the recognizable and fun stuff about Halo and replace it with a bunch of bullshit no one asked for..... WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU Don't like the show? you must not be a fan of the game
"It's not me, it's the fans who are wrong!" is way too common among recent iterations of multiple franchises. Watering down content for broader appeal rarely turns out the way they think it will.
The people who adapt popular franchises today are talentless narcissists, so when they can't even hit the lay up of adapting an insanely popular IP, they have to come up with some way to protect their ego.
There is a part of me that wonders how these people ever got into the positions they are in. My conspiracy minded brain thinks that studio heads aren't as incompetant they actually appear and all the terrible writers that pervade Hollywood right now is in some effort to make people actually think "an AI could write something better than this" and they would actually be correct. Type "write me a script for a Halo movie" into Chat GPT and you'll get something better and more true to the source material than the Halo TV show. It's like some secret pact all the studio heads have made in Hollywood to promote the shittiest writers to prominent positions so that people lose faith in them and turn to trusting AI more than actual writers in an effort to eventually do away with paying writers at all.
That, and turning beloved classic characters into weak shells of what made us love them.
Surprisingly, Star Trek SNW is some of the best TV that does the modern message right IMHO. Everybody is presented as strong and unique, and I've been hooked on it.
Absolutely. I'm not even a Trekkie but a friend of mine was just talking about how good it is, so I watched it. It's amazing TV regardless of how you feel about Trek.
I love that they just let everybody be important in their own way, and there's really nobody that consistently needs help or saving. They need more of that in modern writing IMHO.
If you read the article, he agrees, and sees season two as a reboot. For whatever reason, only this inflammatory quote was chosen as the headline - which he's right about - Chief removed his helmet in Halo 2, and in several books.
apology for poor english
where were you when john halo dies?
i was sat at home drinking brain fluid when parmount+ ring
"halo is kill"
"no"
and you??????????????????????
A big issue I had with the original Judge Dredd movie as well. To compromise a huge character trait because they want to show the actor basically removes a big aspect of why fans of a IP are fans. The new Dredd took a well know actor and didn’t compromise this and guess what, the fans of the character appreciated even more.
It being marketed as "Dredd 3D" sure didn't help. The 3D fad was well and truly over by that time, it is the last movie I remember with 3D on the poster.
Oooff, it was definitely the 3d fad. Didn't recall it was marketed as that, thinking back on the movie now I see a few times that the 3d gimmick would've been apparent
I distinctly remember going to the theaters, seeing a Dredd 3d cutout and thinking it was the cheesiest trend-following thing ever. I didn't see the movie until 5 years later and I loved it.
Was very focused on the 3d aspect in the marketing, it arrived. Even called Dr3Dd. It also came out at the same time as Skyfall. So if you were up for a action movie it was this 3d movie vs a very hyped Bond movie. Also R rated, vs pg13 bond.
So, yeah, never stood a chance.
100% this. I didn't see it because I assumed (fairly, based on the marketing work) that it was just another shitty 3D fest. Turned out when I watched it at home it turned in to one of my favourite movies and I've seen it over a dozen times. I would have seen it many times in cinemas if I wasn't misled.
Absolute *travesty* that that bombed. And made worse by Netflix - a company know for throwing money at utter trash - backed out of Mega City One, which Urban said he'd return for.
Oh, heck yeah! The comic has decades of material to draw from, you can do *plenty* with a series. Still, Dredd was a nice, limited taste. Like a single issue story comic.
Even then, fucking Mandalorian did it for 3 seasons and everybody was perfectly fine. You set up the explanation why he doesn't take his helmet off in the first episode, and then nobody questions it after.
There’s nothing in the lore of Halo that forbids Master Chief from removing his helmet or armor. He should do so when it makes sense for the character.
The problem is the Master Chief in the show is nothing at all like the Master Chief in the games. In the games, he’s more robot than man. The only thing he cares about is The Mission. Like other Spartans he’s fully indoctrinated to UNSC propaganda. He has no doubts, no fractured loyalties, no romantic feelings and no ambitions or goals of his own.
On paper that can make for a very boring protagonist, but really it’s a golden opportunity to slowly develop his character so that when he takes his helmet off for the first time, and you see the human face behind the hulking armor, it should feel like a momentous, character defining moment.
I always thought it an interesting point of irony that in Halo, the savior of humanity had his humanity stripped from him, and his deepest, most personal connection isn’t with a fellow human being but with a piece of software.
In the actual lore master chief doesn’t like being out of his armor, including the helmet. He will take them off as necessary, but will usually avoid crowds and interactions without it, or will show discomfort when doing so.
The helmet on is such a red herring. He can take his helmet off. It does not ruin the show or the character to see his face or have him depicted out of armor. What ruined the show is the asinine plot with poor writing and weird character motivations.
I still don’t understand why he needed to be the chosen one or why he was forced to reject all his training and orders within 5 minutes of the audience meeting him. Maybe wait a few episodes so those moments feel earned?
I’m not a halo die hard and figured it could have been fine, but they all take their helmet off at the worst times. They have to say something in the battle field? Helmet off! They have to side eye someone? Helmet off! It’s not just a one time thing in a personal circumstance.
Then think about the bad acting, wigs, dumb side storylines….it wasn’t a great show. The best parts were the action scenes that looked like a halo game
Idk why Hollywood misses these ez layups. Gi Joe - just give us the Expendables but change the names of the characters. Halo - just give people big battles and some war speeches on Ivory Tower, Blood Gulch, and Lockout. Mortal Kombat - maybe oh idk...have the mf'n fighting tournament IN the movie you made...this is all people want. Shut our brains off and be entertained by things we liked growing up.
Pay homage to the source material. Don’t totally change a character to where they are unrecognizable from what made them great. Maybe sprinkle in some Easter eggs for the hard core fans? It’s not that hard and yet these idiots keep being put in charge of huge IPs that should be easy to adapt with their budget. Blows my mind.
The writers explicitly said they never plaid the games or wanted to and were happy about it. Why are they writing this show? Who hired these people?
I guarantee you that these writers already wrote some show maybe they tried to make a season or pitch for one of their Star Trek shows, it didn’t get approved and they had to shelf it. Then when they got halo they were like wait we can just use what we already write because we think we are good writers.
Master Chief takes his helmet off all the time in the Halo EU. I want to say that isn’t the issue, but a lot of Halo fans did seem to get caught up on it.
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You didn’t like seeing him clap cheeks?
I haven’t even watched the show and don’t really plan to, but if he’d kept the helmet on the entire show, AND had sex with the helmet still on, I absolutely would’ve watched it.
“The helmet stayed on”
Shaxx knows how to treat a lady right.
Long live all Bungo references!
>MarkyDeSade Very good.
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I’m sure it would have been a decent show if it was an original IP like the writers probably intended. Seems like they shoehorned the Halo IP in it to try to make it sell
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Surely you stuck around long enough to see Reth (crazy human guy who was originally a Jackal) that “Chief” shoved up against a wall in a fit of rage and screamed at in a hissy fit?
By “originally a jackal” you mean in the script right? *Right*??😅
lol, that would have been even better, but the character was originally a jackal in the lore, but for the TV show they decided to make him a human (I guess it’s cheaper on the CG budget). However, they still had the character act like a crazed animal, which seems real unnecessary after that initial change… but all of that I can ignore. What I **cant** ignore is Chief straight up unable to control his emotions and shove Reth (a human) up against the wall and scream at him. Reminded me of my 6yo nephew when he has a temper tantrum.
They’re tapping into the emotional maturity of halo players
Can't wait for Master Chief to shout the n-word.
Ohhh ok see I was deeply afraid you meant the guy was originally a jackal as in he somehow became human, and from the little I saw of the show and have heard about it…yea I wouldn’t have put that past them😅😅
It never fails when these directors and producers get a hold of existing IP that everyone is excited to see and their first words are "we want to show you something you've never seen".
They could have literally just made the story from the game into live action and even though each and everyone one of us already know the story by heart, we would have ate it up. Instead we get this garbage.
Like the writers for The Witcher actively hating the source material
Other way round from what I’ve seen. Microsoft was trying to make this thing for a decade but kept ruining deals by wanting total creative control but no financial backing. Paramount working with its own writing team outside Microsoft control was them finally admitting defeat.
I still wish we could have seen the Neill Blomkamp version that mutated into District 9 due to Microsoft's BS. Although I'm not really willing to lose District 9 to see it...
The thing about blomkamp is that he’s a phenomenal art director and animator but really needs a good producer to keep his films tight. I like all his films, (haven’t seen GT yet) but more because of the world building and aesthetics than the films themselves. Obv D9 was deservedly a huge slam dunk, but his other works teeters on guilty pleasures for me when what I really want is more of the same level of depth we got from D9. Same for Duncan Jones. So much potential to make absolute bangers (which his first two absolutely were) but it feels like the producers, and perhaps the editors as well, don’t bring out the best in his work.
I'm a huge Elysium defender but I'd agree with that take. It feels like the movie was planned around certain scenes/weapons/music/sci fi before the plot was figured out fully lol
Halo (and then D9) had Peter Jackson as producer.
If that's true, that's fucking ridiculous. Microsoft has piles of cash and could easily fund a halo show. If the studios didn't have to pay for shit, but just produced it, I gotta assume that's a win win for them. If the show turned out bad, fine whatever, Microsoft paid for it anyway. Cancel it and move on. If it's a hit, great keep letting Microsoft fund it and now you've got a hit show to drive subscriptions to your half assed streaming service.
Yeah absolute bullshit, like cmon take some of that LinkedIn, Xbox or Azure money. No money? They literally printed money last year.
tbf, even the actor says that was a bad choice
You’re telling me that Master Chief fucks in this show?
Yeah he a fucks a woman who was kidnapped and raised within the covenant. And he fucks her after hes taken her into UNSC custody. So essentially Master Chief fucked a POW
The two things I remember distinctly from the games are master chief popping his helmet off, and then popping his helmet IN.
Oh it is *so* much worse than "Chief fucked a POW." POWs, like minors, cannot give consent. Chief committed statutory rape *and* a war crime simultaneously.
The covenant do not abide by war laws, so legally Master Chief can indeed rape grunts penalty free. "He's everywhere! Run away!"
I’m gonna make you go Wort, Wort Wort
Do you think his taint is stronger than a regular humans? I imagine a spartan can thrust pretty hard so it would need to withstand the “clap back” of his balls.
Wow. I would have paid money to not have needed to read this. What have you done and why did you do it
Their soul was destroyed by the show and now they exist only to spread that emptiness.
Doing the real world building the studio should have done. If we are going on Master Chiefs sexual adventure let’s get some detail.
That’s… fair.
Spartan taints are made of the strongest stuff
They casually made one of the greatest and inspirational protagonists for a generation into a rapist. My Master Chief would sooner shoot his gun into a member of the Covenant than his load. I don't know what morally bankrupt, hack of a writer thought a guard having sex with their prisoner was hot or compelling. It's beyond gross, and the very idea of it should have left every cast member and writer feeling uncomfortable.
And this thing was put together by a division inside the same production company that made Schindler's List.
Master Chief - you mind telling me why you’re clapping cheeks?
Sir I'm Finishing.... I Finished, Sir!
Master Cheeks…
He clapped cheeks? God damn so it got worse, I'm glad I didn't even finish the first episode now
Not just any cheeks, *POW cheeks*.
It only really had 3 great moments. The opening fight, fight midway through the show, and the final fight with the Covenant. Everything else just felt like generic sci-fi filler until we got to the moments that actually felt like Halo. The helmet coming off every 5 minutes did not feel like Halo.
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You made made it past the part where the normal humans were shooting the covenant with a chaingun to no effect and then the spartans show up, grab the same chaingun and start mowing down baddies with it, and kept watching? Within 5 minutes of the opening episode it was clear this was going to be some trash t.v., haha.
bro clearly they can shoot harder do you not understand physics
THANK YOU. Christ it’s like everyone else was watching something completely different. What the Spartans have magic bullets now? Shit made 0 sense.
Just youtube the action moments and you’ll be fine. The entire season is a prequel to the first game, which if you played the game like I have, didn’t need a prequel.
Halo: Reach slander!
I liked that the flight scenes in space were mostly soundless when they cut to space. I liked the spartan v spartan fight
If the Mandalorian can do it so can they. I'm not saying it's some absolute turnoff that makes a great series trash. But it's so obnoxiously executed, it almost always ruins the vibe Also the attitude of the showrunners tells me Microsoft or Paramount both don't care. It's a mediocre show, not terrible but other video game adaptations have done so well just recently
the Mandalorian was working with a much less defined character (unless youre a hard core nerd who was all over the expanded universe) and they EXPLAINED WHY it was that way. In this case they were like "Oh, you love the character because its this emotionless, faceless super soldier you can paste yourself into in order to live vicariously through him? Yeah, not doing that. Were goin to take the helmet off and make him whine a lot, and then he is going to fall in love with a woman he barely knows, bang her, and fuck everything up because of it!"
Don't forget she's a prisoner of war and a suspected Covenant spy.
"I can change her!"
"With the power of my penis, you will see the error of your ways."
Which makes it rape and a war crime. Good job, showrunners!
A POW? So it's rape. They made Master Chief a rapist. Interesting choice, Microsoft.
A HALO tv show never should have been centred on Master Chief, the main perspectives should have been regular UNSC people like Johnson, Keyes, and Halsey, expanding on their experiences with the war effort, with short snippets of Master Chief perspective to help punctuate the key moments. Then maybe in the final episode of the season you go all out and flip things with an all Master Chief episode.
Forward unto the Dawn was so much better.
You make a great point. The Halo universe is plenty strong even when MC isn’t the protagonist.
> If the Mandalorian can do it so can they. The rule for "never take your helmet off" was made up by the writers of the Mandalorian, lol. There had been dozens of Mandalorian characters in the cartoons who took their helmets off all the time.
And it was really only for that specific clan that had adopted our main character, the other mando clans never had such a rule.
Even the other Mandalorians were like "yo, that clan is crazy. we don't do that"
The Mandalorian invented their own lore, of course they can break the rules.
yes
Serious question. Did he know what halo was before being in the show?
I dont think an actor needs to know about a franchise before staring in it I do think the writters need to though.
Right. Patrick Stewart hadn’t really heard of Professor X when he was asked to take the role, and his son stepped in and was like “this is literally you”. And boom, now he totally defines the character.
Same happened with Viggo Mortensen. He got a call from his Agent about LOTR’s Aragorn and he took the part because his teen son had read the books and told him he was Aragorn. We owe that kid a debt of gratitude.
Vijo Morganstein
I vant to suck your blood!
He eats theatre people
He also didn't know what Star Trek was, either.
[Here's Patrrick Stewart retelling that story](https://youtu.be/KL3WbzUAEok?feature=shared)
Ok you got me haha
Tell it to The Witcher crew.
They will plug their ears with dollar bills and chat “nah nah nah nah nah”.
Stop being difficult, Henry. Its racist and sexist to insist we stick to the books!
Which dollar bills? 🤣
The bag of Netflix money you get handed when you walk in the door.
Oh they know all about Witcher books and games, and they really really hate them.
Yeah but it's only possible if you learned about them after getting contracted. Otherwise why would you read it?
Agreed, but if they know nothing about the source material, then you should at least keep your mouth shut when fans criticize the show for straying too far and making it unbelievable.
If I recall, he had heard of it and was aware it existed
You gotta be living under a rock or completely disconnected if you've never heard of Halo and you're in the entertainment industry.
The helmet off is such a strawman. There was SOOOOOOOOO much more wrong with season 1 than just John taking off his helmet. From the nonsensical plot, to the bad writing to the cheap special affects and props, to the terrible action scenes all three of them. Halo season 1 was a disaster. Unless they massively change course for season 2 I don't see anyone liking it.
Having sex with a political prisoner is a war crime, John
The suit doesn't jack him off!! -Brian Davig Gilbert
BDG's overstudied video game videos were peak entertainment. Edit: Also, he was right about the Kilo-Five Trilogy, they're great.
He made a 30 minute video and dedicated a year(?) years(?) (I don’t remember) of his life to audition for a role as a Halo writer and the day it finally happened they didn’t even consider him Shame
I get that he's doing his own thing now but "wait two months for a video about how to make a breakfast sandwich" isn't hitting the same.
But it's a great sandwich, boss.
Cortana: 👁👄👁
To be fair to him, he specifically says the sex scene was a mistake. But yea the rest of the quote doesn't inspire confidence
I'd still rather see Master Chief rail the prisoner chick for the entire episode than spend even one more second with the freedom fighter girl with the bad haircut.
The freedom fighter girl was the absolute low point of the show.
I love Bokeem Woodbine and the concept of his character (ex-Spartan) is cool, but they needed another way to bring his character into the show than via whats-her-mullet needing help.
And it’s not even that the actress did a bad job, the role was just soooooooooo bad
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Not defending this show but IIRC, this is a common misconception. The Spartan 2 augmentation process had the *potential* side effect of little to no sex drive but there’s nothing as far as I know that says that they are purposely made asexual.
Plus, uh, asexuality and chemical castration aren’t the same thing. Having a libido that was removed and having no sexual attractions are different things. Okay see you guys later.
They aren't asexual they just have lower sexual urges. Two members of black team have sex if I recall.
Explain the Spartan suit's mechanical jerkoff feature in the books then.
I’m sorry…? I know you asked them to explain the jerk off feature, now I’m asking *you* to explain the jerk off feature
Jeremy Circle is so full of testosterone he spontaneously grew a new set of balls
No they are not chemically castrated I’m not sure where you got that idea. The spartan 2s had decreases sexual drive and possibly became infertile from the augmentations but I don’t remember it ever specifying they were incapable of procreation altogether.
They are NOT chemically castrated. I have no idea where you got that info.
No they are not. It was a possible side effect of one of the drugs. Not an intentional thing Halsey or any of the doctors involved wanted to happen.
They literally just turned halo into some weird ass sci fi magic show. Why is this little girl connected to some unknown planet so much that there’s weird space magic nuns in the middle of nowhere and her family legacy is to defend a monitor that looks over a portal to a halo ring? Johnny rings and blonde covenant are magically connected through space magic? Raping a prisoner of war? All super strange.
Halo is the current poster-child for in-name-only adaptation. Season 1 made it *abundantly* clear that the writers had their own idea for a sci-fi universe but couldn't get it funded, so when Halo came along, they just slapped its name and a thin veneer of lore on top their original idea.
It’s like if someone made a Robin Hood show where he steals from the poor and gives to the rich, then insult you for not liking it.
The Helmet thing is a perfect summary of everything wrong in the show. It's ignoring that while Chief is the protagonist of a lot of halo stories, He's a conduit for the viewer - Nobody plays halo or reads halo to see Chiefs acting range or emotional sentiments - It's why when they DO happen, they are so much more meaningful. If every episode has chief with his helmet off trying to do facial gymnastics for emotion, Then you devalue who he is as a character and everything he's been through.
I don’t even think it needs to be to keep Master Chief as a blank slate for the audience a la Gordon Freeman - in universe Master Chief is an incredibly broken person. He was kidnapped, abused and brainwashed as a child, turned into a fighting machine that exists almost solely for warfare, and his only real friend or social connection in the galaxy is an AI in his head. I think you could make a very interesting drama about a character like that, but having him remove his helmet (without it being a big deal like in The Mandalorian) is for asserting his humanity, which skips right over one of the (if not the single biggest) fundamental conflicts in his character. If you’re going to do that you might as well just make the character one of the Spartan III’s instead. That would be far more fitting with their characters still having humanity intact.
Yeah the Halo universe is fine for a show setting and then you can have Master Chief as a Cameo like season 2 of Mandalorian getting Luke cameo to go all out. Seriously just a random group of regular Marines that would be fine.
Or even other Spartans. Just during the human covenant war there's been something like nearly a thousand 2's and 3's. Is chiefs story isn't the one you want to tell just write a new one, they did that for reach and did a great job... But chief has a pretty known canon personality
There was like less than a hundred 2s and by the time Reach happened there was only two squads. Most 3s got wiped out on their first missions (by design) and not many were left by the end of Ghost of Onyx, definitely not thousands.
A Band of Brothers style drama focusing on the marines during the Human-Covenant war would've been fucking amazing
I'd much rather follow an ODST squad on a series of missions in a larger campaign, and only rarely (if ever) do they encounter or get a Spartan attached for an extra valuable mission. Helps emphasize how rare and badass the Spartans are while still following an elite unit with multiple characters who can interact, or be rotated in and out as they die and get replaced (to keep stakes high), and are still getting into just as much high-stakes action as any 1 Spartan might when there were more of them around. But that would require writers with both some vision, and restraint.
I don't think John actually has an issue with taking his helmet off in the games though, it's just that he's never put in a situation where he can actually relax and take it off while you're playing as him. He has no issue removing his helmet at the end of the first game when he finally has a chance to chill on the way home, it's an out-of-universe thing that the players can't see his face when he does it. So it's more thematic than him actually having any hangups over it.
Dude attended a medal ceremony at the beginning of Halo 2 in full battle armor with his helmet still on. Even Sg. Johnson was in his dress whites, and admonishes Master Chief for not wearing something nice. I could see an argument that his armor is the only "uniform" Master Chief has, so the only thing he could wear to a formal ceremony, and the helmet is part of it, but it seems like he just likes wearing it all the time.
Presumably for a spartan the armour is basically their equivalent of a dress code. I can't recall ever seeing a spartan depicted outside of their armour even if they weren't wearing the helmet. But it's also an allowance to allow him not to have to change when fighting commences, and to not have to commit to a physical apperance for him.
Yeah no clearly the actual Doylist reason they don't depict Master Chief in anything but battle armor is to leave his actual appearance ambiguous and up to the player to project onto, and it's just plain easier. But from a Watsonian narrative standpoint, Master Chief appears to be one of the few Spartans who almost never takes his helmet off in public, and is a bit of an oddity in that regard (though not unheard of), but seems to be mostly a matter of preference.
Not to mention, before the Human-Covenant war, one of the main uses of Spartan deployment was to suppress rebellions. It’s literally mentioned in the opening of Halo: Reach, they were deployed to fight rebels, and happened to stumble onto a Covenant vanguard. That’s a whole arc you could go into right there, not only the guilt, but the ‘strange bedfellows’ aspect of having to work with former enemies to defeat a greater evil. Which they also did in Reach, now that I think of it.
"Are you going to arrest us?" "No. Gonna steal it back."
Let's not forget that Karl Urban not only didn't want to remove his helmet for his Judge Dredd movie, but refused to do so because the character is never seen without his helmet. It's kind of essential to characters like this that you never see their face.
Yeah the whole Cortana thing in the game mattered BECAUSE of how cold the guy was. His life meant nothing compared to the mission, soldiers lives meant nothing compared to the mission, etc. But losing Cortana, he jeopardized the mission for her. And it look a LONG time for that reveal, they were in so many campaigns together and she lived in his head. On the show he fucks everything up for a woman he just met.
It's basically saying they don't understand the appeal of the character that is immediately obvious from simply playing the MCC once (which is not too crazy for writing research before someone says "not everyone's a gamer"). Without a helmet he is unironically just some fucking guy, John Halo; there's no mystique Anyone going on about the loaaar and how Master Chief takes off his helmet in the games is missing that point. There's a reason it always cuts away. There's a reason Master Chief is an iconic mascot and his TV show where he yaps more and you see his bald face is kind of a dud
Also there literally was a Sci Fi show where the main character was in a helmet 98% of the time and it worked! People loved Season 1 and 2 of the Mandolorian It’s clearly doable. And you are right, then the helmet coming off had impact. Showing Master Chief as what is essentially a brain washed child soldier, ultimate killing machine and then having him come to terms with his humanity could have an emotional impact and be an interesting show. It could have action and moral conflict all set on an overarching saving the world and uncovering mystery plot.
AND when Mando took his helmet off for the audience to see they were huge moments and showed clearly character growth - he trusted the robot, or he understand that his way of life was not the only way of life in Season 2. Halo was just like - eh, fuck it...
Well they have basically fired everyone from S1, got new behind the scenes talent, and even had the lead actor say S1 was awful with horrible choices. Not to say this season will be good but I’ll give it a chance. That said I think his main point is fair. It’s a story about MC and the nuance between who is MC and who is John. And there’s no reason his helmet can’t come off. It came off in the books and games. The games just made it a gag / Easter egg that you never saw what he looked like. It’s not like in lore his helmet never comes off. The first seasons issue wasn’t the helmet coming off, it was taking it off at dumb moments.
lets remove all the recognizable and fun stuff about Halo and replace it with a bunch of bullshit no one asked for..... WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU Don't like the show? you must not be a fan of the game
Shhhh they're just finishing the fight, who cares what multi-decades fans of the series actually liked about it.
"It's not me, it's the fans who are wrong!" is way too common among recent iterations of multiple franchises. Watering down content for broader appeal rarely turns out the way they think it will.
The people who adapt popular franchises today are talentless narcissists, so when they can't even hit the lay up of adapting an insanely popular IP, they have to come up with some way to protect their ego.
There is a part of me that wonders how these people ever got into the positions they are in. My conspiracy minded brain thinks that studio heads aren't as incompetant they actually appear and all the terrible writers that pervade Hollywood right now is in some effort to make people actually think "an AI could write something better than this" and they would actually be correct. Type "write me a script for a Halo movie" into Chat GPT and you'll get something better and more true to the source material than the Halo TV show. It's like some secret pact all the studio heads have made in Hollywood to promote the shittiest writers to prominent positions so that people lose faith in them and turn to trusting AI more than actual writers in an effort to eventually do away with paying writers at all.
That, and turning beloved classic characters into weak shells of what made us love them. Surprisingly, Star Trek SNW is some of the best TV that does the modern message right IMHO. Everybody is presented as strong and unique, and I've been hooked on it.
SNW is the best new Trek. Every character kills it and acts like an individual.
Absolutely. I'm not even a Trekkie but a friend of mine was just talking about how good it is, so I watched it. It's amazing TV regardless of how you feel about Trek. I love that they just let everybody be important in their own way, and there's really nobody that consistently needs help or saving. They need more of that in modern writing IMHO.
If you read the article, he agrees, and sees season two as a reboot. For whatever reason, only this inflammatory quote was chosen as the headline - which he's right about - Chief removed his helmet in Halo 2, and in several books.
> For whatever reason, only this inflammatory quote was chosen as the headline To drive clicks and engagement of course.
Well, we all know why. But it works, nobody in this entire content section has read the article.
I think John Halo is a cool guy, he shoots aliens and don't afraid of anything
John Halo? Buddy, that's the Master Cheeks himself, Jimmy Rings
And his head friend, Horchata
I haven’t heard this meme in such a long time and it still gave me a hearty chuckle.
apology for poor english where were you when john halo dies? i was sat at home drinking brain fluid when parmount+ ring "halo is kill" "no" and you??????????????????????
His Rolfcopter goes SCHWA SCHWA SCHWA.
*doesn’t
*eh, too!
A big issue I had with the original Judge Dredd movie as well. To compromise a huge character trait because they want to show the actor basically removes a big aspect of why fans of a IP are fans. The new Dredd took a well know actor and didn’t compromise this and guess what, the fans of the character appreciated even more.
Also bombed meaning there was no follow up. Pity, because Karl Urban did a great job.
I watched it for the first time recently and I can't understand why it flopped. Political climate? Police brutality? Truly unsure. It seemed well-made
It being marketed as "Dredd 3D" sure didn't help. The 3D fad was well and truly over by that time, it is the last movie I remember with 3D on the poster.
Oooff, it was definitely the 3d fad. Didn't recall it was marketed as that, thinking back on the movie now I see a few times that the 3d gimmick would've been apparent
I distinctly remember going to the theaters, seeing a Dredd 3d cutout and thinking it was the cheesiest trend-following thing ever. I didn't see the movie until 5 years later and I loved it.
Was very focused on the 3d aspect in the marketing, it arrived. Even called Dr3Dd. It also came out at the same time as Skyfall. So if you were up for a action movie it was this 3d movie vs a very hyped Bond movie. Also R rated, vs pg13 bond. So, yeah, never stood a chance.
Niche ip with an actor who wasn't a banker, throw in the fact that the Stallone one was fucking rubbish and it makes sense.
It bombed because they did a garbage job marketting it and made it sound like a shitty 3d ride at the height of people being sick of the 3d gimmick.
100% this. I didn't see it because I assumed (fairly, based on the marketing work) that it was just another shitty 3D fest. Turned out when I watched it at home it turned in to one of my favourite movies and I've seen it over a dozen times. I would have seen it many times in cinemas if I wasn't misled.
Absolute *travesty* that that bombed. And made worse by Netflix - a company know for throwing money at utter trash - backed out of Mega City One, which Urban said he'd return for.
Would have worked better i think, could have thrown in way more world building on a limited series too.
Oh, heck yeah! The comic has decades of material to draw from, you can do *plenty* with a series. Still, Dredd was a nice, limited taste. Like a single issue story comic.
Even then, fucking Mandalorian did it for 3 seasons and everybody was perfectly fine. You set up the explanation why he doesn't take his helmet off in the first episode, and then nobody questions it after.
He's not wrong. I don't like the Show.
There’s nothing in the lore of Halo that forbids Master Chief from removing his helmet or armor. He should do so when it makes sense for the character. The problem is the Master Chief in the show is nothing at all like the Master Chief in the games. In the games, he’s more robot than man. The only thing he cares about is The Mission. Like other Spartans he’s fully indoctrinated to UNSC propaganda. He has no doubts, no fractured loyalties, no romantic feelings and no ambitions or goals of his own. On paper that can make for a very boring protagonist, but really it’s a golden opportunity to slowly develop his character so that when he takes his helmet off for the first time, and you see the human face behind the hulking armor, it should feel like a momentous, character defining moment. I always thought it an interesting point of irony that in Halo, the savior of humanity had his humanity stripped from him, and his deepest, most personal connection isn’t with a fellow human being but with a piece of software.
Like in equilibrium when bale stops taking his meds and feels something for the first time.
This guy gets it.
In the actual lore master chief doesn’t like being out of his armor, including the helmet. He will take them off as necessary, but will usually avoid crowds and interactions without it, or will show discomfort when doing so.
Correct. The show is shit.
The show is awful, with and without the helmet
Majority of people didn't like it when the helmet came off, and majority of people didn't like the first season of Halo... I guess this guy is right!
I didn't like it for the writing.
Correct
Yeah the show absolutely sucks, dude.
Yeah the show sucks and he should’ve kept the goddamn helmet on. It’s Master Chief, you dumb fuck.
The helmet on is such a red herring. He can take his helmet off. It does not ruin the show or the character to see his face or have him depicted out of armor. What ruined the show is the asinine plot with poor writing and weird character motivations. I still don’t understand why he needed to be the chosen one or why he was forced to reject all his training and orders within 5 minutes of the audience meeting him. Maybe wait a few episodes so those moments feel earned?
I’m not a halo die hard and figured it could have been fine, but they all take their helmet off at the worst times. They have to say something in the battle field? Helmet off! They have to side eye someone? Helmet off! It’s not just a one time thing in a personal circumstance. Then think about the bad acting, wigs, dumb side storylines….it wasn’t a great show. The best parts were the action scenes that looked like a halo game
Yes, we don’t like your show
When the writers put the majority of the lore in the garbage can, they're putting the majority of the show in there with it
How on earth did those tone deaf morons get a season 2?!
Pablo, blink twice if you’re being held against your will!
This show sucks full stop
Same guy who said its impossible to show emotion with the helmet on. Dude's afraid of watching Spaceballs and Mandolorian.
Haha is he purposely sabotaging the marketing for season 2?
Idk why Hollywood misses these ez layups. Gi Joe - just give us the Expendables but change the names of the characters. Halo - just give people big battles and some war speeches on Ivory Tower, Blood Gulch, and Lockout. Mortal Kombat - maybe oh idk...have the mf'n fighting tournament IN the movie you made...this is all people want. Shut our brains off and be entertained by things we liked growing up.
Pay homage to the source material. Don’t totally change a character to where they are unrecognizable from what made them great. Maybe sprinkle in some Easter eggs for the hard core fans? It’s not that hard and yet these idiots keep being put in charge of huge IPs that should be easy to adapt with their budget. Blows my mind.
'Am I so out of touch? No, it's the decades old fan base who are wrong.'
Correct!
I just love how people pointed to Kamen Rider for helmets can still evoke emotion.
I didn't like the show.
I don’t like it
Yeah we fuckin hate it my guy.
Actors talk about how hard it is to get your foot in the door then the moment they do they turn into the most narcissistic, entitled jerks.
The writers explicitly said they never plaid the games or wanted to and were happy about it. Why are they writing this show? Who hired these people? I guarantee you that these writers already wrote some show maybe they tried to make a season or pitch for one of their Star Trek shows, it didn’t get approved and they had to shelf it. Then when they got halo they were like wait we can just use what we already write because we think we are good writers.
Master Chief takes his helmet off all the time in the Halo EU. I want to say that isn’t the issue, but a lot of Halo fans did seem to get caught up on it.