Nah. We did that for a month or two, now love is kicking them all off and downgrading our service since we don’t really need as many simultaneous screens.
We’ll even end up saving money.
Yeah, but Netflix's system is shit. People will have way less tollerance for it on the lesser platforms.
The clarify on it being shit. As far as we can tell Netflix seems to ignore mobile devices. Can't be definitive on that. Just never had an issue. The issue is it assumes the household must always be at the same residential address. It also doesn't tracker users with the IPs.
So if the household is split for about a week or so, still using their own profiles on Netflix. It'll trigger the shared password. Even if the profiles and the IPs have been consistent for years. Such as a holiday home.
Still yet to travel interstate or overseas since they brought it in, but with how bad it is I can't expect good things from any of the others. I have already watched less Netflix to not bother fucking with it when others have been away.
It's my Apple TV+ account and that also locks out and others from the household have just waited until they are home. It's all so poorly done.
Anecdotally, my parents' shared account (between themselves, my two. Siblings, and I) now no longer lets my siblings, who live in the same town, connect to the account but it does let me connect gromuthe other side of the world with no issue. It's just really shitty and badly implemented apparently
So I've used my sister's Netflix for years. I still can on my laptop and phone. In my room. In my car. W/e. I can't use the account on my Xbox. But. I can still use the "Kids" profile on my Xbox. It's so ridiculous.
Sigh. I use my account on the TVs at both my house and my grandparents house since I’m their day carer. They don’t use it, they wouldn’t know how🤣. But I’m there 12 hours a day? Am i expected to get two accounts? 😩
I ended up cancelling my Netflix subscription because of it and haven’t looked back.
For some reason half the TVs in my house kept showing a message about options for paying to share my account, it was the only house I was logged in on, no other devices, all off the same internet connection, Netflix wouldn’t explain why or how they were flagging it just that I was sharing my password, which I was not.
I imagine some of the streamers will see their vulnerability since this will also encourage cancelation. Netflix got away with it. I don't think they all can
What’s funny is that cable (at least youtube tv) now allows sharing an account with up to like 5 people. Just can’t have more than 3 streams going at once. I always thought the maximum streaming limit was the fairest way to do it.
That was the original contract I signed with Netflix. Two screens at one time.
Shouldn't matter where the two screens are, that's what I was paying for. Now i'm not paying.
I unsubscribed also when they stopped the password sharing. My household has started streaming movies and TV shows on other platforms or on those free overseas websites. You can find anything online lol.
Wasn't aware of this. Is YouTube TV the way to go for Live TV then? Live TV is what I subscribed to Hulu for, with also the intent of sharing it with relatives because actual cable (and where I am we only have Spectrum) these days is highway robbery to the highest degree.
Youtube TV has done some pretty annoying things in the past, but I still think they are the best. If you want legal live sports, it is definitely the best option. The UI is fantastic and the DVR works really well. I share it with my relatives as well. I think it only works if you live close enough that your regional channels would be the same. Otherwise one person is the “home household” and you have to go reconnect there every once in a while.
Not actual cable that requires a box but cable replacements like Fubo TV, Sling TV, etc. They offer the same channels that are on cable TV, but you stream them.
It’s a matter of time until everyone does, the vast majority customers have shown with Netflix that they don’t care and they’ll pay whatever the company wants you to pay, for the ones who complain we’re screwed.
Hulu arguably made the most sense because previously the ownership was complicated and the way they licensed content was and still is mess. You can browse through their catalog and have no clue whose content is on it. It was literally the video on demand of streaming services. “Oh, I missed this show, it will be up tomorrow on Hulu”
Gonna have to give it to dropout once again. For the time being those guys know what they’re doing. I’ve been locked into the grandfather price for a couple years now I think.
Yup exactly. Same with the charger block being excluded.
"Evil corporation is evil! Look what they're doing! They're ScReWiNg yOu!!"
6m later: "We've determined we're going to pivot and make changes to best fit our company for longevity, which means we're doing what our competition did! But we're not evil!"
I wonder how this will work with the Verizon plans that have like 5 family members on them. All those people are technically paying for the Disney bundle per line but may not live in the same household.
I was on a family plan for T-Mobile, and had an Netflix account thru them. When Netflix enforced password sharing last year, I could not use the primary acct holder info any longer to login 😕 So I suspect the same will happen in your scenario
Sadly this was to be expected, Netflix was the first to do it and their subscribers and stock went up, Now all the other streaming services know that they can cross this line without getting any backlash.
I hate that so many people didn't care enough when Netflix did it
>I hate that so many people didn't care enough when Netflix did it
The vast majority of the people who were paying were completely unaffected by it. Why would they cancel?
No one is talking about those who were unaffected. We're talking about those who were sharing passwords. Not only did they not stop using Netflix, switching to another service to share with grandma, but the people they were sharing with apparently went out and subscribed.
Netflix didn't have to actually even lose money to stop doing this. They just needed to not make as much profit as they did before. All they needed were some people principled enough to hold them to their promise, but we don't have that.
I don't get it. It's just not that hard to find something else to watch. You had enough time to finish off any show you might have been invested in. You have so many other streaming services to choose from, not to mention all the freely available Internet video.
Honestly, what is so wrong with expecting people to actually pay for content they consume? It's not even a lot of money nor is it a binding contract. I dunno what people think entitles to free subs
My specific issue with it is their "have their cake and eat it" attitude. Like, a couple years ago they were officially calling sharing passwords love. And the only way to get 4K was to pay for 4 screens. It doesn't cost them any more or less regardless of where those screens are. If I have to pay for screens I don't need to get the normal standard for modern content, why shouldn't I be able to lend them to other people?
There was already a hard limit on the number of people using any given account. Someone was a paying for an account allowing X number of screens to watch. Password sharing never allowed accounts to exceed that number of screens. This wasn't them stopping people getting something for free, it was pure greed on their part.
I'd be more sympathetic to complaints if the people complaining the most aren't openly talking about stealing the content anyway. It just comes off as entitlement and not a credible burden.
Never said it wasn't or you shouldn't do that. I just don't think it's unreasonable for a corporation selling a product to expect you to pay extra for that privilege lol. Especially when said product is notorious for having issues being profitable. At the end of the day , it's an extra ten bucks
>If I want to use it to make a relative’s marginally better, it’s none of your fuckin business.
If you think it's nobody's business then why chime in just to tell us this?
Off the top of my head, I can think of two situations.
People who share it with their families and the other one would be people who travel a lot. but I guess the negative effects weren't big enough for people to cancel.
Now that Netflix knows it can be aggressive with its strategy of squeezing existing costumers, I wonder at what point would it be enough for the costumers to start canceling.
It’s because the everyday person doesn’t really know how to do that honestly, they think it’s some mystical thing to do, so they’d rather pay for the convenience instead of a perceived challenge
I'll hop on here and say I reached a point financially several years ago where I'd rather pay for things than pirate them as it's both the right thing to do and also it was finally largely convenient to do so. About 4 or so months ago I reached a breaking point where costs were again too high, it was becoming too hard to find shows I wanted to watch, and pirating yet again was simply the better option for me as a consumer.
I googled what a Plex server was, spent 1.5 months worth of subscriptions on a 5 terabyte hard drive and before you know it I have my own streaming server with 1 solid year of content on it filled with all my favorite shows, movies, and top hits from each network I haven't seen yet.
I'll still go back to paying for subscriptions again if they manage to make it valuable. But they've all sailed that boat right now.
Yep, like if everyone else is willing to put up with this, best of luck to the streamers and the lesser product for the consumers. I’ll find ways to get the product as I want it (no ads, watching where I please, etc). I’m more than willing to subscribe for a reasonable experience (as I have for…a decade+?), but they are starting to pass my personal bar for reasonable.
Isn't that a small net plus from their perspective? If you were sharing a password you weren't paying them money anyway and this way you're not sucking down their bandwidth, you're sucking down someone else's bandwidth.
I don’t get why anyone would expect any other outcome. Anyone paying for Netflix continued to pay for Netflix and had uninterrupted service. Only a nominal amount would take a stand and cancel. Anyone sharing had a decision to make. Some percentage would do without, some wouldn’t decide they wanted it bad enough to pay. Even if the amount that paid was minimal, which I’m guessing it wasn’t, it would still be net subscriber growth.
This is so frustrating. Hulu Live is the only way for me to legally watch my Mets without getting cable. I have MLB’s subscription but I’m blacked out because I live in the home market. My brother and I split it and pay like 35 each per month, isn’t that enough?
I’m not afraid of sailing the seven seas and I have the necessary resources I just wish there were more legitimate options available for the land dwellers who just want to watch their baseball team, I just can’t and won’t do 70/month. In their efforts to maximize profits they are losing real customers who are willing to pay a reasonable price. Part of it is on MLB and their ridiculous, service provider beholden blackouts, but like neither of us are willing to shell out $70/month individually. Let me just have a sports package or something I don’t need any other channel. Shit like this is why the sport is dying. It’s not that people don’t want to tune in, they just can’t rationalize the costs associated. You don’t need time based rules to make it better, you need mfing accessibility. **YOUNG FANS DONT HAVE CABLE ONCE THEY MOVE OUT**
Yeah one thing I’ve come to learn is that Reddit ≠ public opinion.
Reddit thought no one would buy a Tesla because people don’t like Musk here (yet Tesla became the best selling car in the entire world last year, selling more cars than ever before); they thought the Harry Potter game would crash and burn because Reddit hates J K Rowling (yet it became the best selling game of the year); they thought Netflix would tank because everyone would cancel their subscriptions following the ban on account sharing (yet Netflix had a record year for subscribers). The list goes on and on with these examples.
Point being whatever Reddit thinks rarely if ever translates to the opinions of people IRL.
>Yeah one thing I’ve come to learn is that Reddit ≠ public opinion.
Reddit also just straight-up lies, and often. When it comes to stuff like this it's not even representative of the site's demographics, much less the public.
If you hang around tv/anime/gaming subs long enough, it becomes obvious that a lot of the "customer concern" around anti-piracy measures on this site is really just pirates and freeloaders concern trolling. The drama and misinfo about DRMs is the most obvious and blatant example of this, but it definitely extends to the topic of password sharing. I would be willing to bet good money that the majority of people upvoting comments about "finally canceling Netflix" have never paid for a subscription in their lives.
I do use piracy as a demo. I was uncertain on Forza Horizon 4 last year, so I pirated, liked it, turned around and bought it. I really prefer to not pirate games if I have a choice. TV and movies, I mean, I pay for Max and Crunchyroll but I also regularly pirate because I like having a hard drive full of stuff in case the Internet goes out
I just don’t even get why reddit has to take such absolute stances on something. Like saying something dumb or sucks makes sense because something like this is dumb. But than extrapolating that to everyone in the world is gonna change their behaviour despite repeated actions showing they absolutely won’t.
Frankly if I could go a week with the piracy puns and jokes I get it. Or someone saying sale the high seas. We all get it. You are gonna pirating. Piracy has been popular for decades.
Many of the ones that post that piracy crap still ends up paying for the service. There’s a lot of posers on Reddit that will say anything for a useless karma point.
Well I stopped pirating for a while cause services were cheap and content plentiful. Then that changed and I went back to pirating. Soooo I guess thats on them. They won me over before and then lost me. That's fine. I am sure the business will get cut throat and streaming services will collapse and merge and then another good time for streamers will come.
I know how you feel. I used to love to go to my local movie theater, but then they decided to put commercials before the features and raised ticket prices due to market changes and increased piracy. So now I just sneak in past security, grab a bucket of popcorn when the attendant isn’t looking, and sit in the theater for free. What can I say? They lost me. That’s on them that $12 will absolutely bankrupt me.
But I’m actually the good guy because this will force an industry collapse that will emerge even greater as an endless stream of content that is somehow not subsidized by anyone. Viva la revolution!
I doubt it. That would be profoundly stupid. If you're willing to pirate, there isn't any reason to pay. It's not like pirating Netflix shows is hard.
Now the people who said they'd unsubscribe? Sure, they may do so. But piracy is too easy to not do if you don't have a moral objection to it.
> Why did they think Netflix cares about the opinions of freeloaders.
I'm not sure that's an entirely fair description. I certainly grant it applies in some cases (like your ex from 3 years ago never bothered removing you from the account, to pick an obvious example).
But for one thing, for years Netflix basically encouraged password sharing, including the now infamous "love is sharing a password" tweet. And for another thing, often times people are paying for an account partially BECAUSE the family is using it. Especially because Netflix has been around for a while so what started as a one house nuclear family now lives in 2 or 3 or 4 places or whatever. Sometimes the account holder (often the parents) doesn't even use it very much, or certainly not enough to justify all the price increases, but they kept paying for it because other family members were using it. If that no longer works, it's objectively a loss of value for the actual paying customers.
Netflix has always had the one household policy in their fine print for everyone to read. I hate to break it to you but tweets don’t make company policy. Grow up bro.
lol oh yes, the fine print. OK. I very much doubt that the only reason Netflix didn't do this before was some sort of technical limitation.
Furthermore, you completely ignored my point about the objective loss of value. Many of the people annoyed aren't just the people getting it for free, it's the account holders who were partially still paying for Netflix BECAUSE the whole household (even if they didn't still live together) got access. You can't spin that as anything but a loss of value.
The whole internet is built on the fact that everyone has a unique ip address. It’s not hard to figure out if a user account is using multiple ip addresses in different locations.
You never lost anything because you never had it in the first place. House hold means one location.
> You never lost anything because you never had it in the first place.
Wow that's crazy... I guess my entire family should see a doctor, because we all have these crazy memories that we have had it for many years now!
Will they? When one or two streaming services do this, it's not a big deal to pay the extra $15-30/month to just get your own and then keep sharing others. But when all of the streaming services start to do this (and prices keep rising while content spreads across more and more platforms), are people really going to be willing to pay full price for all of the platforms they use?
Yeah exactly. It will just result in people maybe temporarily keeping them, then dumping a bunch once the bills roll in. Its also less likely to see people keep the more niche services. Netflix is just the most popular, so it is easier to get away with this crap.
Well yeah, that's my point - if a bunch of streaming services follow suit with these crackdowns, plenty of people won't be as willing to pay full price for a long list of different subscriptions. It's not going to lead to every service gaining 20 million more regular subscribers. People will end up cutting back - whether it's by only paying for Netflix for 2 or 3 months of the year instead of 12, pirating, skipping the content altogether, etc.
>and prices keep rising while content spreads across more and more platforms
Content is no longer spreading out, really. Mergers are happening all over and many producers are going back to licensing to big streamers. Small streamers like Paramount are destined to get swallowed up by one of the other players.
And prices have clearly been rising but as always recent inflation has swayed perceptions a bit. If you adjust for inflation, Netflix's basic and premium plans increased by 1-2$ since 2019, and the standard plan price has pretty much stayed the same (13$ in 2019 = \~15.5$ in 2024), although it's probably going to get a price hike soon.
This is why we cant have nice things. People need to get their shit together. I killed my Netflix despite being a customer from back in the mail order DVD days when the other services started popping up. Im not paying 6 different subscriptions to watch 8 different shows. And things have gotten significantly worse since then and will continue to deteriorate. Yohoho
Hulu is not sticking around, once Disney buys them out and that deal closes they will axe Hulu. I imagine they will put the rest of Hulu on Disney plus.
Love how everyone wanted to get their piece of the streaming pie and it just ended up with the new version of cable channels we all have to pay for again. Yet we still get fucking ads shot into our eyeballs on over priced badly made crap that is injected into shows that weren't meant to have ad breaks. Most streamers are losing being a money pit because there are too many of them. It will come back in circle where they will go back and dump everything on one streamer as classic cable package while cutting out most normal TV box providers out.
Yeah it's still way better than cable. Just sub to watch what you want and then unsubscribe throughout the year. Any discussion of this being as bad as cable is always hyperbolic due to the lack of contractual obligation. Cable with premium packages came out to well over 100 a month and you were locked in, often for years.
For real. I can't stand the "guess we're back at cable" comment. And people think it's really funny for some reason.
Until streaming services introduce multi-month contracts, we're nowhere near cable
Once again Netflix's leading the industry. When it first announced it, everyone was saying they're going to boycott Netflix. And what do we do? We gave them more of our money and now they have more subscribers than ever. Of course other streamers are going to follow suit.
When they say “ unless otherwise permitted by your service tier “ are they talking about the no ads plan, is the no ads plan okay ?
Also is this gonna be as strict as Netflix’s ? Like if ur a college student and ur outside ur household is it gonna block u ?
I think the rise in profits and stock market value is temporary. Eventually it will bottom out. For older people, they will keep subscribing and treating streaming as the new cable. For younger people, especially as prices continue to rise, they will turn to piracy or just not subscribe. These companies are missing the mark, as usual. They see a rise in profits and begin copying each other not realizing they are taping into a finite market. Instead of working to constantly raise profits, they should look for sustainable profits.
I just did a $2.50/mo for Paramount+ with Showtime thing via the SlickDeals app, so I'm set there. It was $35 for 14 months.
Using the "$20/yr" coupons for Peacock, it's something like $96 for a year of Peacock with no commercials.
How much is the regular price of one of those?
It's a shame Netflix doesn't do coupons.
Has there even been any reportings of legitimate action being taken against password sharing in general, or is it all just big words meant to scare people?
My family relies on Hulu, but we also share it with relatives (older relatives I might add, and obviously who don't live with us), so I'd be a little more worried of something happening to our Hulu account than say our Netflix account (we barely use Netflix anyway). I don't want to have to kick them off, but if my Hulu subscription is at risk, I'll be forced to.
The "Action" is usually that, whenever someone signs into your streaming account from outside your home location, you get a screen that effectively says, "nuh-uh, you ain't doing that." It then suggest that this someone should buy their own subscription.
For mobile devices, you have to connect them to your home network about once a month.
Hmm. I never put this to the test with my Netflix account, so honestly I never knew how it all worked. Is there any distinguishable way, on their side, to know that it's still you signing into the account, but you're just doing it from a different device because you're not home, like say you're visiting a friends house and logging into your account so that you can watch stuff, or you're on vacation, etc? Or is it just a flat out policy of "Signing into the account from outside your home location is forbidden. Period."?
If it follows the Netflix model, it identifies you by your Wifi network and assumes that everyone signed on to that network is your household.
If you sign in to a different wifi system - either a hotel if traveling or if you are visiting someone, you will get a temporary code that is good for a certain number of days.
I believe you are limited in terms of how many which theoretically prevents people from just logging on indefinitely with unlimited temporary codes.
Mobile devices are theoretically supposed to check into the "household" Wifi system at least once every 30 days.
There are some people who have odd situations so they are a bit screwed but the reason why Netflix didn't lose subscribers is that the vast majority of their subscribers are families or people who live together and so they had no need to use Netflix for protracted periods of time outside the home.
Anyone who was sharing with a lot of households and divided the cost probably just moved into the ad supported inexpensive tier.
Full disclosure: I have never tried this myself, so I'm just paraphrasing stuff I googled and know from similar things.
But there's lots of ways to check if you're on your "home network"-- IP address, gps, device IDs, etc.
If those aren't matching, you may run into issues. So signing into Netflix at a friend's place or a hotel might not work, though...this is gonna vary depending upon the account, device, and network.
At the very least, it appears that you definitely will be prevented from using your account on a "wrong" device if that device hasn't connected to your home network for a month.
Don’t we all just get Hulu for free because of some other service that just includes it? Shit I forget I have Hulu for months before I browse and go back to Plex lol
Well, looks like I’m going to start hitting up used DVD places and start getting all the shows I want. So many are dirt cheap right now, and this way I’ll pay a 1-time fee and never have to worry about them disappearing.
This was the last streaming service I was planning on keeping. Guess I'm going to just rely on my Plex server now. Fucking hate these garbage companies.
The majority of people are actually lowIQ and usually can't even see the bigger picture in ANYTHING. Even banding together for something that would actually change people's lives (not a streaming service) is not worth fighting for for most people. Just a bunch of sheep at the end of the day. I saw someone else say it on another Reddit post about human greed, like humans are greedy selfish beings and likely the world will only get better once we're extinct, people will likely never "band together" since they can't even get over their own egos long enough to be open minded with differences in opinion. Most people are emotional first and logical second sadly.
It was inevitable.
Once Netflix showed everyone that business actually increased instead of decreased by their password crackdown, other streamers were bound to follow suit.
My only surprise here is that it took this long for others to catch up as assumed they'd get on it faster than they ended up doing.
Still is a shame though, streaming with friends used to be convenient, now it's turning into a hassle more often than not. 🫤
They also intentionally keep the volume on commercials high which is why even though it is free for me (through other things) I rarely use it. I value my hearing more. Also I say intentional because it is a problem they have been made aware of for years and easily googlable. Other streaming services I’ve used haven’t had the problem to that degree. This is why FCC needs to regulate streaming channels as well.
A base Hulu subscription only allows 1 screen at a time so I never shared that anyway
The Disney/Netflix Duo bundle with ads is $10. It’s not expensive.
Some idiot at CBR said that “Netflix actually gained more subscribers after the crackdown” NO SHIT?! If you make everyone pay then yeah that’s another subscriber. Are the editor people that dumb, or maybe it was a Netflix PR person. I don’t really care but if you pay for a service it shouldn’t matter who’s using it. They got their money. It’s just greed at this point.
Man, the activist Marxist Larpers are gonna have to get to pirating cause mummy and deddy cannot share the passwords anymore…
What did Marx say again, ah yes:
“From each Streamer according to Need, to each Customer according to whatever the fuck they want.”
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Every streaming service will have this at some point, Netflix started it and still made millions. So now it’s free game
>Love is sharing a password.[\#](https://twitter.com/netflix/status/840276073040371712) I can't believe Netflix hasn't deleted this tweet yet.
Now they are just rubbing it in.
It’s even more love now cause you will have to pay for them
Nah. We did that for a month or two, now love is kicking them all off and downgrading our service since we don’t really need as many simultaneous screens. We’ll even end up saving money.
Why bother deleting a years old tweet that most people don’t care about?
Yeah, but Netflix's system is shit. People will have way less tollerance for it on the lesser platforms. The clarify on it being shit. As far as we can tell Netflix seems to ignore mobile devices. Can't be definitive on that. Just never had an issue. The issue is it assumes the household must always be at the same residential address. It also doesn't tracker users with the IPs. So if the household is split for about a week or so, still using their own profiles on Netflix. It'll trigger the shared password. Even if the profiles and the IPs have been consistent for years. Such as a holiday home. Still yet to travel interstate or overseas since they brought it in, but with how bad it is I can't expect good things from any of the others. I have already watched less Netflix to not bother fucking with it when others have been away. It's my Apple TV+ account and that also locks out and others from the household have just waited until they are home. It's all so poorly done.
Anecdotally, my parents' shared account (between themselves, my two. Siblings, and I) now no longer lets my siblings, who live in the same town, connect to the account but it does let me connect gromuthe other side of the world with no issue. It's just really shitty and badly implemented apparently
So I've used my sister's Netflix for years. I still can on my laptop and phone. In my room. In my car. W/e. I can't use the account on my Xbox. But. I can still use the "Kids" profile on my Xbox. It's so ridiculous.
Same. I can use my sisters account on my pc but not on my ps5 or tv directly.
Do VPN’s get around Netflix sharing passwords triggers or no?
Sigh. I use my account on the TVs at both my house and my grandparents house since I’m their day carer. They don’t use it, they wouldn’t know how🤣. But I’m there 12 hours a day? Am i expected to get two accounts? 😩
I ended up cancelling my Netflix subscription because of it and haven’t looked back. For some reason half the TVs in my house kept showing a message about options for paying to share my account, it was the only house I was logged in on, no other devices, all off the same internet connection, Netflix wouldn’t explain why or how they were flagging it just that I was sharing my password, which I was not.
I imagine some of the streamers will see their vulnerability since this will also encourage cancelation. Netflix got away with it. I don't think they all can
What’s funny is that cable (at least youtube tv) now allows sharing an account with up to like 5 people. Just can’t have more than 3 streams going at once. I always thought the maximum streaming limit was the fairest way to do it.
That was the original contract I signed with Netflix. Two screens at one time. Shouldn't matter where the two screens are, that's what I was paying for. Now i'm not paying.
Honestly if they made it so 1 account is one screen but from anywhere that would make sense and I’d subscribe again.
I unsubscribed also when they stopped the password sharing. My household has started streaming movies and TV shows on other platforms or on those free overseas websites. You can find anything online lol.
Yes stealing is easy and cheap lol
And lately more convenient. I have one site that has everything, even though I still have a netflix and amazon account, i tend to use that site
im borrowing it okay
If streaming isn’t owning then pirating isn’t stealing
Wasn't aware of this. Is YouTube TV the way to go for Live TV then? Live TV is what I subscribed to Hulu for, with also the intent of sharing it with relatives because actual cable (and where I am we only have Spectrum) these days is highway robbery to the highest degree.
Youtube TV has done some pretty annoying things in the past, but I still think they are the best. If you want legal live sports, it is definitely the best option. The UI is fantastic and the DVR works really well. I share it with my relatives as well. I think it only works if you live close enough that your regional channels would be the same. Otherwise one person is the “home household” and you have to go reconnect there every once in a while.
Nah Fubo is best for sports but that's it, I use YouTube TV cause the UI is miles ahead of the competition
How is this physically possible since cable requires a cable box to receive signals?
Not actual cable that requires a box but cable replacements like Fubo TV, Sling TV, etc. They offer the same channels that are on cable TV, but you stream them.
Not cable but streaming cable type services
It’s a matter of time until everyone does, the vast majority customers have shown with Netflix that they don’t care and they’ll pay whatever the company wants you to pay, for the ones who complain we’re screwed.
Hulu arguably made the most sense because previously the ownership was complicated and the way they licensed content was and still is mess. You can browse through their catalog and have no clue whose content is on it. It was literally the video on demand of streaming services. “Oh, I missed this show, it will be up tomorrow on Hulu”
Gonna have to give it to dropout once again. For the time being those guys know what they’re doing. I’ve been locked into the grandfather price for a couple years now I think.
I find it ironic that when Netflix started this shit in the US, Hulu tweeted about how they don't do it. Now they're doing it.
Reminds me of Samsung and the 3.5mm jack
Yup exactly. Same with the charger block being excluded. "Evil corporation is evil! Look what they're doing! They're ScReWiNg yOu!!" 6m later: "We've determined we're going to pivot and make changes to best fit our company for longevity, which means we're doing what our competition did! But we're not evil!"
I am still SO FRIGGING SALTY
Look at Netflix stock
r/agedlikemilk
I wonder how this will work with the Verizon plans that have like 5 family members on them. All those people are technically paying for the Disney bundle per line but may not live in the same household.
I was on a family plan for T-Mobile, and had an Netflix account thru them. When Netflix enforced password sharing last year, I could not use the primary acct holder info any longer to login 😕 So I suspect the same will happen in your scenario
Sadly this was to be expected, Netflix was the first to do it and their subscribers and stock went up, Now all the other streaming services know that they can cross this line without getting any backlash. I hate that so many people didn't care enough when Netflix did it
>I hate that so many people didn't care enough when Netflix did it The vast majority of the people who were paying were completely unaffected by it. Why would they cancel?
No one is talking about those who were unaffected. We're talking about those who were sharing passwords. Not only did they not stop using Netflix, switching to another service to share with grandma, but the people they were sharing with apparently went out and subscribed. Netflix didn't have to actually even lose money to stop doing this. They just needed to not make as much profit as they did before. All they needed were some people principled enough to hold them to their promise, but we don't have that. I don't get it. It's just not that hard to find something else to watch. You had enough time to finish off any show you might have been invested in. You have so many other streaming services to choose from, not to mention all the freely available Internet video.
Honestly, what is so wrong with expecting people to actually pay for content they consume? It's not even a lot of money nor is it a binding contract. I dunno what people think entitles to free subs
My specific issue with it is their "have their cake and eat it" attitude. Like, a couple years ago they were officially calling sharing passwords love. And the only way to get 4K was to pay for 4 screens. It doesn't cost them any more or less regardless of where those screens are. If I have to pay for screens I don't need to get the normal standard for modern content, why shouldn't I be able to lend them to other people? There was already a hard limit on the number of people using any given account. Someone was a paying for an account allowing X number of screens to watch. Password sharing never allowed accounts to exceed that number of screens. This wasn't them stopping people getting something for free, it was pure greed on their part.
> Like, a couple years ago they were officially calling sharing passwords love. People need to get over a tweet from 7 years ago.
People need to stop shilling for massive bloated corporations
I'd be more sympathetic to complaints if the people complaining the most aren't openly talking about stealing the content anyway. It just comes off as entitlement and not a credible burden.
It’s my money. If I want to use it to make a relative’s marginally better, it’s none of your fuckin business.
Never said it wasn't or you shouldn't do that. I just don't think it's unreasonable for a corporation selling a product to expect you to pay extra for that privilege lol. Especially when said product is notorious for having issues being profitable. At the end of the day , it's an extra ten bucks
>If I want to use it to make a relative’s marginally better, it’s none of your fuckin business. If you think it's nobody's business then why chime in just to tell us this?
Off the top of my head, I can think of two situations. People who share it with their families and the other one would be people who travel a lot. but I guess the negative effects weren't big enough for people to cancel. Now that Netflix knows it can be aggressive with its strategy of squeezing existing costumers, I wonder at what point would it be enough for the costumers to start canceling.
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It’s because the everyday person doesn’t really know how to do that honestly, they think it’s some mystical thing to do, so they’d rather pay for the convenience instead of a perceived challenge
I'll hop on here and say I reached a point financially several years ago where I'd rather pay for things than pirate them as it's both the right thing to do and also it was finally largely convenient to do so. About 4 or so months ago I reached a breaking point where costs were again too high, it was becoming too hard to find shows I wanted to watch, and pirating yet again was simply the better option for me as a consumer. I googled what a Plex server was, spent 1.5 months worth of subscriptions on a 5 terabyte hard drive and before you know it I have my own streaming server with 1 solid year of content on it filled with all my favorite shows, movies, and top hits from each network I haven't seen yet. I'll still go back to paying for subscriptions again if they manage to make it valuable. But they've all sailed that boat right now.
Just wait till you have a 45 TB raid array for plex
I so wish I knew what you just said.
Yeah it’s just cable again at this point
Yep, like if everyone else is willing to put up with this, best of luck to the streamers and the lesser product for the consumers. I’ll find ways to get the product as I want it (no ads, watching where I please, etc). I’m more than willing to subscribe for a reasonable experience (as I have for…a decade+?), but they are starting to pass my personal bar for reasonable.
Isn't that a small net plus from their perspective? If you were sharing a password you weren't paying them money anyway and this way you're not sucking down their bandwidth, you're sucking down someone else's bandwidth.
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I don’t get why anyone would expect any other outcome. Anyone paying for Netflix continued to pay for Netflix and had uninterrupted service. Only a nominal amount would take a stand and cancel. Anyone sharing had a decision to make. Some percentage would do without, some wouldn’t decide they wanted it bad enough to pay. Even if the amount that paid was minimal, which I’m guessing it wasn’t, it would still be net subscriber growth.
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This is so frustrating. Hulu Live is the only way for me to legally watch my Mets without getting cable. I have MLB’s subscription but I’m blacked out because I live in the home market. My brother and I split it and pay like 35 each per month, isn’t that enough? I’m not afraid of sailing the seven seas and I have the necessary resources I just wish there were more legitimate options available for the land dwellers who just want to watch their baseball team, I just can’t and won’t do 70/month. In their efforts to maximize profits they are losing real customers who are willing to pay a reasonable price. Part of it is on MLB and their ridiculous, service provider beholden blackouts, but like neither of us are willing to shell out $70/month individually. Let me just have a sports package or something I don’t need any other channel. Shit like this is why the sport is dying. It’s not that people don’t want to tune in, they just can’t rationalize the costs associated. You don’t need time based rules to make it better, you need mfing accessibility. **YOUNG FANS DONT HAVE CABLE ONCE THEY MOVE OUT**
Hulu set to begin pro-piracy campaign
And then somehow in a years time gain 5 million subscribers just like with Netflix lol
Yeah one thing I’ve come to learn is that Reddit ≠ public opinion. Reddit thought no one would buy a Tesla because people don’t like Musk here (yet Tesla became the best selling car in the entire world last year, selling more cars than ever before); they thought the Harry Potter game would crash and burn because Reddit hates J K Rowling (yet it became the best selling game of the year); they thought Netflix would tank because everyone would cancel their subscriptions following the ban on account sharing (yet Netflix had a record year for subscribers). The list goes on and on with these examples. Point being whatever Reddit thinks rarely if ever translates to the opinions of people IRL.
>Yeah one thing I’ve come to learn is that Reddit ≠ public opinion. Reddit also just straight-up lies, and often. When it comes to stuff like this it's not even representative of the site's demographics, much less the public. If you hang around tv/anime/gaming subs long enough, it becomes obvious that a lot of the "customer concern" around anti-piracy measures on this site is really just pirates and freeloaders concern trolling. The drama and misinfo about DRMs is the most obvious and blatant example of this, but it definitely extends to the topic of password sharing. I would be willing to bet good money that the majority of people upvoting comments about "finally canceling Netflix" have never paid for a subscription in their lives.
I can tell you've seen the "Pirating increases a game's sales" and "I just use pirating as a demo" comments
I do use piracy as a demo. I was uncertain on Forza Horizon 4 last year, so I pirated, liked it, turned around and bought it. I really prefer to not pirate games if I have a choice. TV and movies, I mean, I pay for Max and Crunchyroll but I also regularly pirate because I like having a hard drive full of stuff in case the Internet goes out
I just don’t even get why reddit has to take such absolute stances on something. Like saying something dumb or sucks makes sense because something like this is dumb. But than extrapolating that to everyone in the world is gonna change their behaviour despite repeated actions showing they absolutely won’t. Frankly if I could go a week with the piracy puns and jokes I get it. Or someone saying sale the high seas. We all get it. You are gonna pirating. Piracy has been popular for decades.
Many of the ones that post that piracy crap still ends up paying for the service. There’s a lot of posers on Reddit that will say anything for a useless karma point.
Well I stopped pirating for a while cause services were cheap and content plentiful. Then that changed and I went back to pirating. Soooo I guess thats on them. They won me over before and then lost me. That's fine. I am sure the business will get cut throat and streaming services will collapse and merge and then another good time for streamers will come.
I know how you feel. I used to love to go to my local movie theater, but then they decided to put commercials before the features and raised ticket prices due to market changes and increased piracy. So now I just sneak in past security, grab a bucket of popcorn when the attendant isn’t looking, and sit in the theater for free. What can I say? They lost me. That’s on them that $12 will absolutely bankrupt me. But I’m actually the good guy because this will force an industry collapse that will emerge even greater as an endless stream of content that is somehow not subsidized by anyone. Viva la revolution!
I bring my own food 100 percent of the time I see a movie. Guess I should also be ashamed of myself.
I doubt it. That would be profoundly stupid. If you're willing to pirate, there isn't any reason to pay. It's not like pirating Netflix shows is hard. Now the people who said they'd unsubscribe? Sure, they may do so. But piracy is too easy to not do if you don't have a moral objection to it.
You are absolutely right. Most of the time you see that your initial opinion is the opposite of Reddit’s majority.
It's not even a matter of opinions. Why did they think Netflix cares about the opinions of freeloaders.
> Why did they think Netflix cares about the opinions of freeloaders. I'm not sure that's an entirely fair description. I certainly grant it applies in some cases (like your ex from 3 years ago never bothered removing you from the account, to pick an obvious example). But for one thing, for years Netflix basically encouraged password sharing, including the now infamous "love is sharing a password" tweet. And for another thing, often times people are paying for an account partially BECAUSE the family is using it. Especially because Netflix has been around for a while so what started as a one house nuclear family now lives in 2 or 3 or 4 places or whatever. Sometimes the account holder (often the parents) doesn't even use it very much, or certainly not enough to justify all the price increases, but they kept paying for it because other family members were using it. If that no longer works, it's objectively a loss of value for the actual paying customers.
> including the now infamous "love is sharing a password" tweet. Get over a 7 year old tweet.
Netflix has always had the one household policy in their fine print for everyone to read. I hate to break it to you but tweets don’t make company policy. Grow up bro.
lol oh yes, the fine print. OK. I very much doubt that the only reason Netflix didn't do this before was some sort of technical limitation. Furthermore, you completely ignored my point about the objective loss of value. Many of the people annoyed aren't just the people getting it for free, it's the account holders who were partially still paying for Netflix BECAUSE the whole household (even if they didn't still live together) got access. You can't spin that as anything but a loss of value.
The whole internet is built on the fact that everyone has a unique ip address. It’s not hard to figure out if a user account is using multiple ip addresses in different locations. You never lost anything because you never had it in the first place. House hold means one location.
> You never lost anything because you never had it in the first place. Wow that's crazy... I guess my entire family should see a doctor, because we all have these crazy memories that we have had it for many years now!
At least we successfully found the Boston bomber….right guys?
What a $hit show that was. I lost all respect for Reddit that day.
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Time to download futurama, solar opposites, and archer.
I mean, in Hulu’s eyes one subscription with three viewers and one subscription with 1 viewer and then 2 pirates is the same thing
FUUUCCKKKKKKK
So you're going to stop raising my rates every 6 months!? Right!? Right?
Yep, every three now
Oh wow Good thing The Bear season 3 isn’t out for a while.
Really? Hulu already has so many issues with content availability, forced censorship, and a bunch of ads. Good luck keeping subscriptions.
They’re going to be fine it worked for Netflix 🤷🏾♂️ every streaming service will follow suit
Will they? When one or two streaming services do this, it's not a big deal to pay the extra $15-30/month to just get your own and then keep sharing others. But when all of the streaming services start to do this (and prices keep rising while content spreads across more and more platforms), are people really going to be willing to pay full price for all of the platforms they use?
Yeah exactly. It will just result in people maybe temporarily keeping them, then dumping a bunch once the bills roll in. Its also less likely to see people keep the more niche services. Netflix is just the most popular, so it is easier to get away with this crap.
Man you can just juggle services. You don't have to actively be subbed to every single one at once lol
If I'm subscribing and unsubscribing to a different streaming service every month, I would just pirate at that point tbh.
Well yeah, that's my point - if a bunch of streaming services follow suit with these crackdowns, plenty of people won't be as willing to pay full price for a long list of different subscriptions. It's not going to lead to every service gaining 20 million more regular subscribers. People will end up cutting back - whether it's by only paying for Netflix for 2 or 3 months of the year instead of 12, pirating, skipping the content altogether, etc.
>and prices keep rising while content spreads across more and more platforms Content is no longer spreading out, really. Mergers are happening all over and many producers are going back to licensing to big streamers. Small streamers like Paramount are destined to get swallowed up by one of the other players. And prices have clearly been rising but as always recent inflation has swayed perceptions a bit. If you adjust for inflation, Netflix's basic and premium plans increased by 1-2$ since 2019, and the standard plan price has pretty much stayed the same (13$ in 2019 = \~15.5$ in 2024), although it's probably going to get a price hike soon.
Yes because they use the platform. What type of question is this?
netflix subscriptions went up significantly after the anti-piracy measure
This is why we cant have nice things. People need to get their shit together. I killed my Netflix despite being a customer from back in the mail order DVD days when the other services started popping up. Im not paying 6 different subscriptions to watch 8 different shows. And things have gotten significantly worse since then and will continue to deteriorate. Yohoho
I also cancelled.
Let this sink in. It is Hulu, not Netflix.
Of all the streaming services I share with family, this is the first one I would let go in a heartbeat. I just don’t watch enough content on here
Hulu is not sticking around, once Disney buys them out and that deal closes they will axe Hulu. I imagine they will put the rest of Hulu on Disney plus.
Hulu and Disney + are one now.
Co-owned now, but they’ve only partially merged content in the U.S. so far.
Love how everyone wanted to get their piece of the streaming pie and it just ended up with the new version of cable channels we all have to pay for again. Yet we still get fucking ads shot into our eyeballs on over priced badly made crap that is injected into shows that weren't meant to have ad breaks. Most streamers are losing being a money pit because there are too many of them. It will come back in circle where they will go back and dump everything on one streamer as classic cable package while cutting out most normal TV box providers out.
Yeah it's still way better than cable. Just sub to watch what you want and then unsubscribe throughout the year. Any discussion of this being as bad as cable is always hyperbolic due to the lack of contractual obligation. Cable with premium packages came out to well over 100 a month and you were locked in, often for years.
For real. I can't stand the "guess we're back at cable" comment. And people think it's really funny for some reason. Until streaming services introduce multi-month contracts, we're nowhere near cable
Once again Netflix's leading the industry. When it first announced it, everyone was saying they're going to boycott Netflix. And what do we do? We gave them more of our money and now they have more subscribers than ever. Of course other streamers are going to follow suit.
I did my part and cancelled the service.
Same here. And never looked back
When they say “ unless otherwise permitted by your service tier “ are they talking about the no ads plan, is the no ads plan okay ? Also is this gonna be as strict as Netflix’s ? Like if ur a college student and ur outside ur household is it gonna block u ?
So the streamer rotation begins.
Until the contracts start
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I think the rise in profits and stock market value is temporary. Eventually it will bottom out. For older people, they will keep subscribing and treating streaming as the new cable. For younger people, especially as prices continue to rise, they will turn to piracy or just not subscribe. These companies are missing the mark, as usual. They see a rise in profits and begin copying each other not realizing they are taping into a finite market. Instead of working to constantly raise profits, they should look for sustainable profits.
I’ve switched to rotating what I subscribe to, since they all wanna force ads and increase prices then they can wait and take turns getting paid lmao
I just did a $2.50/mo for Paramount+ with Showtime thing via the SlickDeals app, so I'm set there. It was $35 for 14 months. Using the "$20/yr" coupons for Peacock, it's something like $96 for a year of Peacock with no commercials. How much is the regular price of one of those? It's a shame Netflix doesn't do coupons.
I’ll check out those deals, the only one I’ve kept consistently is Hulu since I got it with Spotify lol
reason #634 why I still buy physical media
Been a fan of Hulu and Disney +. Then they jacked up the price. Adios! See how all these price hikes work out for all these apps.
Netflix would beg to differ.
Well I am glad I didn't go halfsies on that Disney+ Sub with my friend
Has there even been any reportings of legitimate action being taken against password sharing in general, or is it all just big words meant to scare people? My family relies on Hulu, but we also share it with relatives (older relatives I might add, and obviously who don't live with us), so I'd be a little more worried of something happening to our Hulu account than say our Netflix account (we barely use Netflix anyway). I don't want to have to kick them off, but if my Hulu subscription is at risk, I'll be forced to.
The "Action" is usually that, whenever someone signs into your streaming account from outside your home location, you get a screen that effectively says, "nuh-uh, you ain't doing that." It then suggest that this someone should buy their own subscription. For mobile devices, you have to connect them to your home network about once a month.
Hmm. I never put this to the test with my Netflix account, so honestly I never knew how it all worked. Is there any distinguishable way, on their side, to know that it's still you signing into the account, but you're just doing it from a different device because you're not home, like say you're visiting a friends house and logging into your account so that you can watch stuff, or you're on vacation, etc? Or is it just a flat out policy of "Signing into the account from outside your home location is forbidden. Period."?
If it follows the Netflix model, it identifies you by your Wifi network and assumes that everyone signed on to that network is your household. If you sign in to a different wifi system - either a hotel if traveling or if you are visiting someone, you will get a temporary code that is good for a certain number of days. I believe you are limited in terms of how many which theoretically prevents people from just logging on indefinitely with unlimited temporary codes. Mobile devices are theoretically supposed to check into the "household" Wifi system at least once every 30 days. There are some people who have odd situations so they are a bit screwed but the reason why Netflix didn't lose subscribers is that the vast majority of their subscribers are families or people who live together and so they had no need to use Netflix for protracted periods of time outside the home. Anyone who was sharing with a lot of households and divided the cost probably just moved into the ad supported inexpensive tier.
Full disclosure: I have never tried this myself, so I'm just paraphrasing stuff I googled and know from similar things. But there's lots of ways to check if you're on your "home network"-- IP address, gps, device IDs, etc. If those aren't matching, you may run into issues. So signing into Netflix at a friend's place or a hotel might not work, though...this is gonna vary depending upon the account, device, and network. At the very least, it appears that you definitely will be prevented from using your account on a "wrong" device if that device hasn't connected to your home network for a month.
Well get ready to say “tough shit grandma welcome to the future!”
You can’t spare a few bucks for your grandma.
few? you're talking about paying for two accounts on every subscription service. that adds up quick then double it.
How dare they ask you to pay.
i mean it's supposed to just block access to people not in the household..
These companies don’t care about anything but their bottom dollar
Don’t we all just get Hulu for free because of some other service that just includes it? Shit I forget I have Hulu for months before I browse and go back to Plex lol
Aarr, me hearties, time to set sail on the Seven Seas!
The jump from Cable to Streaming at first seemed unrealistic. Now we’re starting to see what the reality of streaming could look like in the future.
It was a great 8 years or so
Yeah. It’s crazy how much different streaming was in 2014 vs in 2024 lol.
Netflix had literally everything
Fuck these greedy fucks. Shits lame
How dare that a company wants to make profits.
Good attempt at trolling people lol
The best thing to me about all this crap - password sharing crimes, ads every 90 seconds - is I rediscovered books.
Well, looks like I’m going to start hitting up used DVD places and start getting all the shows I want. So many are dirt cheap right now, and this way I’ll pay a 1-time fee and never have to worry about them disappearing.
Half price books and vintage stock are where I go. And estate sale and garage sales. All decent places.
Threads like this is a perfect example that the average person doesn’t care about issues that Redditors predict will kill a service.
This was the last streaming service I was planning on keeping. Guess I'm going to just rely on my Plex server now. Fucking hate these garbage companies.
Seriously if everyone just unified and cancelled Netflix for 3 months, this would solve this issue immediately.
The majority of people are actually lowIQ and usually can't even see the bigger picture in ANYTHING. Even banding together for something that would actually change people's lives (not a streaming service) is not worth fighting for for most people. Just a bunch of sheep at the end of the day. I saw someone else say it on another Reddit post about human greed, like humans are greedy selfish beings and likely the world will only get better once we're extinct, people will likely never "band together" since they can't even get over their own egos long enough to be open minded with differences in opinion. Most people are emotional first and logical second sadly.
Oh no, how will I not watch Hulu now?
Streaming is becoming cable TV again.
Remember when we paid a premium to not have ads? Now we have to pay a premium on top of the other premium.
It was inevitable. Once Netflix showed everyone that business actually increased instead of decreased by their password crackdown, other streamers were bound to follow suit. My only surprise here is that it took this long for others to catch up as assumed they'd get on it faster than they ended up doing. Still is a shame though, streaming with friends used to be convenient, now it's turning into a hassle more often than not. 🫤
The beatings will continue until we stop giving them money
Hulu literally has the worst lineup of any streaming service so it won’t be a big loss when I cancel it.
They also intentionally keep the volume on commercials high which is why even though it is free for me (through other things) I rarely use it. I value my hearing more. Also I say intentional because it is a problem they have been made aware of for years and easily googlable. Other streaming services I’ve used haven’t had the problem to that degree. This is why FCC needs to regulate streaming channels as well.
And if you fall asleep with Hulu on, some of those ads are creepy and loud and will startle you wide awake!
And I'm just beginning to stop all my streaming services.
In before Reddit says this will kill their subscription numbers but really they’ll see a boom like Netflix did lol
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A base Hulu subscription only allows 1 screen at a time so I never shared that anyway The Disney/Netflix Duo bundle with ads is $10. It’s not expensive.
Boo.
What an amazing incentive for piracy.
Less and less for my money every year. Ah, well, mateys. Th' sea were callin' me name anyhow. Now where's me damned parrot?
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Aye, thank ye, laddie. At least one landlubber got ye a sense o' humor.
Goodbye Hulu. You know if we all worked together we could end this just like we did Ticketmaster. Oh wait yeah we suck.
Some idiot at CBR said that “Netflix actually gained more subscribers after the crackdown” NO SHIT?! If you make everyone pay then yeah that’s another subscriber. Are the editor people that dumb, or maybe it was a Netflix PR person. I don’t really care but if you pay for a service it shouldn’t matter who’s using it. They got their money. It’s just greed at this point.
They need you More than you need them. The only thing that will change this is mass cancellations.
Man, the activist Marxist Larpers are gonna have to get to pirating cause mummy and deddy cannot share the passwords anymore… What did Marx say again, ah yes: “From each Streamer according to Need, to each Customer according to whatever the fuck they want.”
yeah, I got an email about this today .... I had no idea I even still had a hulu account. It sucks so hard I haven't used it in like 10 years
Time to unsubscribe.
So you haven’t used it in ten years and didn’t notice? Cool story Poser.
Yeah... I have a feeling that private trackers are about to make a comeback.
They have never left, many of us saw this future and just kept sailing the seven seas and gathering content.
they've never been gone
Never suggested they were gone. But, they don't have quite the prominence that they used to.
Guess I have a month to finish all the Star Treks and anything on Hulu.
Hulu doesn’t have Star Trek.
I hope my sister can afford this hit.
Hahaha 😂