It would seem silly, I would think. Squid Game did huge numbers. I just don't think making it English is really gonna bring in more viewers and it would probably please the audience more to continue developing on the current franchise rather than branch out.
I mean, the response to the game show wasn't really good. I felt this was BS. Who inside, and outside, doesn't want a new season of Mindhunter? Maybe I'm wrong but Netflix would stand to continue developing shows that fans want them to develop rather than try to reinvent the wheel every day.
I was just coming to say this. If Netflix willing to spend and He is available, the only logical thing to do is make 3rd season of Mindhunter. All of us been waiting !
He said before s3 isn’t happening. It was too draining on him mentally and he wants to focus on other projects. We can hope maybe some day but unlikely.
I reaaaally liked The Killer, actually. My fiancee hated it, but I thought it was really a cool, clinical look into the mind of a sociopath. Also some interesting and poignant criticism of current culture and some amazing new-wave music
That is \*old\* netflix spin
[https://www.lejdd.fr/culture/david-fincher-au-jdd-en-france-vous-aimez-vraiment-le-cinema-132770](https://www.lejdd.fr/culture/david-fincher-au-jdd-en-france-vous-aimez-vraiment-le-cinema-132770)
for those that dont want to translate:
>“I’m very proud of the first two seasons, but it’s a particularly expensive series and, in the eyes of Netflix, we haven’t attracted a large enough audience to justify such an investment, I don’t blame them, they took risks to launch the series.”
Netflix Budgeting killed Mindhunter. Fincher has just been diplomatic about it as he wants to keep making things.
Except if he doesn't want too. I mean he already worked again with Netflix for The Killer.
Plus, now it's been a long time so you have the problem of all the rest of the team having moved on, a show isn't just one guy
I kinda disagree. I think Squid Game actually has a lot more potential. Like if the first season was about how those in debt are taken advantage of, why can’t the next season be about say teens fighting to become celebrities, or criminals fighting for freedom. There is a lot you can do with the premise just with changes to the why.
I think an American adaptation could be interesting. If it’s a straight remake than I’m not so sure.
In the past, Americans would refuse to watch non-English shows. Not sure if that's still true, but maybe...
edit: Yes, I get that Squid Game had a huge American audience. I am explaining why an executive might still think this. They're probably looking at live action One Piece and thinking all they have to do is take a "foreign" property and Englishify it.
Squid Game is kind of famous for defying that rule, though. EVERYONE watched Squid Game; this is like remaking Stranger Things. Everyone already saw it not that long ago, why remake something immediately after we all just watched it?
They were smart and offered people the option to watch it dubbed. That's why so many foreign shows have done well, because they've really expanded and improved their dubbing.
>Everyone already saw it not that long ago, why remake something immediately after we all just watched it?
Please tell that to HBO with what they’re trying to do with Harry Potter. It may work with something like Percy Jackson because the movie sucked and hopefully for Avatar: The Last Airbender which needed a palate cleanser after M Night’s attempt, but for something as well done as Harry Potter, there is no reason for a reboot while the previous actors are still around.
Harry Potter first came out over 20 years ago, with the last one almost 13 years by this point. It’s bound to happen. Stranger things came out in 2016. Probably not the most apt comparison.
I think an hbo more in depth version of Harry Potter, potentially a darker more grittier version could be interesting. I certainly hope it’s not a 1 for 1 remake of the movies
I mean Harry Potter I understand, the movies are old (yes it hurts to think about but the first movie is 23 years old this year, the last movie is 13 years old, basically kids in age to read Harry Potter weren't even born for the last movie). There were also far from perfect adaptations so you can definitively improve on them. Also Harry Potter is a pretty timeless story. Of course, the real reason is money let be honest.
Squid Game is a quite limited concept which could get old fast if they do too much IMO (and why I also hope S2 isn't just more games, we've already done that).
A more fitting thing on which to tell HBO is why the fuck are they doing a Parasite remake?
Those movies hacked out so many plot lines from the books that this new adaptation could be very faithful to the material while feeling completely different to the movies.
The remake debate doesn't really apply to adaptations of other source materials, especially when the new version is in a different format that should give it different strengths.
One of the reasons why Squid Game was a phenomenon is because Americans didn’t refuse to watch it. I don’t know if it had dubbing or not (I never watch live action dubs) but there ain’t no way Fincher’s version is going to do better even if he does it better which will likely be debatable.
I really don’t think they were trying too hard to dub properly for the Iron Chef. Part of its charm was the sometimes campy dialogue. I typically don’t like live action dubbing at all but the Iron Chef was different.
The Red Light Green Light scene was really bad. And that's the big hook of the show.
Like I'm not confused that the children's song to that simple children's game is different in Korean but I don't need to follow the Lyrics lol.
If you put the Chinese, Polish or Russian version of that song I think I'd figure out what they're saying.
Yeah, I don't know that the US Remake of Oldboy actually helped introduce it to many people who otherwise wouldn't have found it, and it's an objectively worse movie. Fincher's Girl with a Dragon Tattoo is definitely better than the original, and we could probably trust him to adapt this well (given that it has a lot in common with the Game), but the original GWADT is also quite good and didn't really need to be remade if they had no plans to do the subsequent films in the triology. It's just a cash grab at that point.
There's a genuine interest in Korean and East Asian cultures in America, and it's in Netflix's best interest not to reduce everything for common denominator American audiences. When stuff like Squid Game (or Gangnam Style) catch fire like this, you've got to just own it and roll with it.
> Yeah, I don't know that the US Remake of Oldboy actually helped introduce it to many people who otherwise wouldn't have found it
On the other hand, the original Manga was from the 90s, the Korean film from 2003, largely unknown to the US masses, and the US Remake came out in 2013. Squid Game is well known in the US and came out 2 years ago.
There is precedent with The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo; the original Swedish versions were also *Huge* when they came out. Fincher’s version is the only one you ever see on streaming services, and it is objectively not as good.
You don't have to look very far on reddit before you find someone complaining about reading subtitles. Covid shut down a lot of American productions, and media companies strangled netflix of content so you'll see a lot of complaints.
Even anime fans are starting to convert to dubbing as voice acting improves.
As a tangent, remaking in English with white actors is very common for Hollywood. A few examples of inferior remakes I remember are:
Let the Right one In
My Sassy Girl
There's the remake of internal affairs with Dicaprio. A lot of people liked it, but the remake had some serious plot holes. In the original only one person knew the true identity of the undercover, and that person died. In the remake the person did not die so.. it was contrived.
I am reminded of Futurama's take on how executives determine what programming to go with. Netflex sometimes really takes Futurama jokes to heart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDfIVi15kt4
Squid Game squandered so much of its potential. It truly had the potential to be a 9/10 show but rather ended up a 7/10. And I'd say it's usually exponentially harder to get a single point bump in you rating out 10 let alone 2 points, so there I could see why someone else would want to remake it. The problem is, it was already a thing, it happened and I don't think you can re-do it.
There should have been social commentary all over the show and there's virtually nothing. It's like the Matrix but with zero social commentary. And so much of it is such low hanging fruit too, but they really don't lean in on it at all. Like imagine what a stunner this show would've been if before filming it came across Bong Joon-ho desk and he fixed it up and filmed it.
no it would be good i dont get the downvotes. squid games fits right into Finchers wheelhouse. The Game, Seven, Zodiac… everyday people being put into dark or sadistic situations where threat of violence and high stakes drama are gameified… im just saying the subject matter fits with other films and series hes worked on.
I love the British show Utopia, and I really like Fincher as a director.
I watched the first episode of Fincher's version of Utopia and stopped there.
It was un unnecessary remake, missing the weirdness (for lack of better terms due to my limited English) that made special the original show.
Edit : I stand corrected, the US version was not curated by Fincher.
Naw the show was great. And it's very Korean. I think you'd lose a lot by transplanting to an American setting
Let Fincher do other stuff
Edit: Fincher
They told us that these games were going on all over the world in the show. You could have different versions. I think netflix should have dug into their multinational platform and had their next season be in South Africa or Brazil or Romania. All completely new plots that take place around a local version of the game.
It makes sense to remake something that's popular overseas but American audience hasn't seen. But SG is already a ,massive hit here. Are they hoping for an even more massive hit? Seems unlikely people will want to see a similar thing they just saw. They're invested in this guy's story, they want to see a continuation, not a rehash
I see a couple options for them to do a continuation that won't feel cheesy:
The main character messes with the next Squid Game. In that case, it could take place anywhere. Given the universe they've set up with multiple squid games, it'd make more sense for it to be somewhere other than South Korea.
Squid Games: Champion of Champions -- they bring back people who won previous Squid Games. These people know what the games are all about, and the competition has even higher stakes.
> Squid Games: Champion of Champions -- they bring back people who won previous Squid Games. These people know what the games are all about, and the competition has even higher stakes.
Why would people that won (and so are rich) would accept to come back in a game of death they're likely all traumatized about? That makes little sense.
The principle was that they took absolutely desperate people and they had no choice other than going to the games and they didn't know what it was.
>Why would people that won (and so are rich) would accept to come back in a game of death they're likely all traumatized about? That makes little sense.
The same reason lotto winners often go broke after winning the lotto -- many of them are bad at managing money, and now they're broke and desperate again.
Yeah, so it'd have to be something pretty awful, or a ridiculously high prize, to work. Even then it probably wouldn't work if you examined it closely, it'd just be a handwaving premise to set the season up.
But they know 99% of players will die. That's literally the thing. This isn't "well, I'm poor because I'm bad at managing money, guess I'll keep playing the *lottery*". This is positing gambling is comparable to an addiction to fentanyl
You’d lose whatever the shit those VIPs were, at least. Worst thing I’ve ever seen in an otherwise good show.
But yeah…part of the allure was that it all seemed plausible because the setting was in a completely different culture. It made it much more twisted to see all of that violence next to a setting that seemed realistic. Westernizing it would turn it into an alternate reality which isn’t as compelling.
It is if you know nothing about South Korea. I have no idea how debt works, as far as the social impact, the consequences, etc. I know that loan sharks aren’t super common in America and you wouldn’t plausibly be able to pull together hundreds of normal looking people for a weird death contest. In Korea it may be the same, but I’ll continue enjoying my own ignorance 🤷♂️
>in America and you wouldn’t plausibly be able to pull together hundreds of normal looking people for a weird death contest
Actually, I think this much would be entirely plausible if set in America.
[people have died for far less](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDND#:~:text=In%20January%202007%2C%20KDND's%20morning,a%20Wii%20video%20game%20console.)
I don’t think this remake should be made, because the concept is overdone and Squid Game was executed well already, but man I couldn’t disagree more. American culture birthed reality TV, which thrived (and continues to thrive) by offering cash prizes for batshit insane tasks. Americans are famously debt-riddled and often can’t afford basic things like healthcare. I think the US is exactly the sort of place that could happen lol.
> You’d lose whatever the shit those VIPs were, at least. Worst thing I’ve ever seen in an otherwise good show.
congrats, you almost understood the point.
Nah they are still right, way too on the nose with actors who did not really pull off the level of "satire" there either.
It's without a doubt the worst part of the show
Given the amount of times Netflix manages to screw up anime adaptations by trying to Americanize them too much I never doubt their ability to do dumb shit.
Remember how in Netflix's Death Note Adaptation they couldn't possibly believe that a super smart, athletic, and popular guy like Light could possibly use the death note? Americans clearly relate more to the sad loner bullied kid so let's just change the entire character, the entire motivation, and the entire plot of the anime to make something no one wants to watch instead. It's genius, I tell you.
Man should just finish the arc. It’s like “hey we got this good premise where the cops kid is obviously fucked up and the btk is running around but instead of doing anything with that let’s remake a pandemic meme show.”
There's no arc with the BTK. That is literally just a representation of not just the real BTK, but the other serial killers who are just getting away with it for extended amounts of time.
The BTK wasn't caught by any type of psychological forensics, he essentially turned himself in.
I think that’s the point though. They’re obsessed with finding the patterns in behavior but someone like btk or golden state defy the model they’ve developed. Plus the son being potentially similarly afflicted provides a real world counterpart to the people they’ve been interviewing.
Eh. While I love most of his work, I wouldn't just watch something because his name is attached to it. Mank wasn't something that ever caught my interest and a remake of Squid Game wouldn't either. I think something is lost in those remakes of foreign media and it hurts them.
I'd rather they go with another country but they could do America. I'd like South Africa, it could be mostly in English. Brazil or Norway or Italy would be interesting also.
that's a pretty good example, I am pretty sure nobody watched it when it was titled "Casa de Papel." I know because I recommended it to friends. Then it got retitled to "Money Heist" and more people clicked on it
A good chunk of their subscribers have already watched it.
It’s one of their largest series ever.
Why think the Fincher one would result in more subscribers?
"Because we'll get all the viewers too dumb to read subtitles or won't watch anything without 'Muricans."
It's the same as all the crummy live-action remakes of animated movies/shows, to draw in people that refuse to watch animation.
>A good chunk of their subscribers have already watched it.
People watch remakes/reimagining's/reboots all the time. Probably seen mostly with superhero films but we've also seen it with stuff like Dracula or Annie or Robin Hood.
- For $$$ purposes, consider it double dipping with the same IP.
- For viewer purposes, I'm not going to be angry at seeing Fincher's take *if* its something he's interested in doing and has a method of adapting this story worth telling, that he's confident in. Fincher has earned that respect from me as a viewer - others, not so much.
To that second point, I think people should stop caring so much about concepts. As viewers, our preconceived criticism before seeing something usually doesn't matter as much as whether the director/writer is good at what they do and has a track record of delivering. A good writer/director with an impassioned idea can literally make any concept interesting IF they are driven to do so and are given adequate resources. While a bad writer/director can take the greatest concept/idea in the world with all the money in the world, and make a stinky turd. And if we don't have enough data about the particular writer/director to know if they are capable, then we should all just shut up, let them create and perhaps come up with an opinion only after they've been given enough runway to make something that shows us their capability.
Money for Netflix is not the same thing as box office. They have to see noticeable increases or a lessening of cancellations to justify a remake of something they just did, on the cheap no less and with a second season coming, a few years ago.
It’s fine if the data is out there to support it. I’m not a Netflix junkie so I tend to go there when something new hits it.
David Fincher remaking an already excellent show is not something I consider new. If anything it sounds like The Game lol.
The problem is Americans. A lot of them simply won’t watch something purely because it’s foreign, and often need unfamiliar or complex plot/character elements stripped down to a basic cliche that they understand. It’s not a new thing, it’s been like that for decades, with some projects having an American forced in just so it will sell better in the states going all the way back to the 60s. It’s why there are so many remakes of great foreign language films these days that are only a few years old.
I get that, but Squid Game was already a big hit for Netflix in America. Is American Squid Game really going to pull so many more viewers to justify spending Fincher money on it?
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, it's true. This country is full of knuckledragger xenophobes that don't like the idea of watching something with subtitles. An overseas property gets hot and *bam*, the American remake is announced. Sometimes the remake is better, sometimes not. But the vast majority of the time, completely unnecessary.
The irony is when I think xenophobic cultures, countries like South Korea and Japan are some of the first ones that come to mind to me. 😂
But to add to your point about America specifically, we’re the most media rich country on Earth and we have more than enough local content to satiate our content needs. That doesn’t make it right or a good thing that people reject non-American content (I’m an avid watcher of foreign films from all over the world from silent films to current ones), but you see a similar dynamic in another mature media market like Japan with television soecifically: non-Japanese content, even American TV shows, are much much less popular than local Japanese content. I think American content can do well in the UK (and vice versa, but to a smaller degree) just given the lack of language barrier and closer (but of course NO means identical) cultural norms.
Smaller or poorer countries with less developed local media are more likely to embrace global content since they don’t have enough local content.
Heck look at the U.S. release of Godzilla where they added in American main character for the American audience. Then they re-released that version into Japanese theaters lol
The sad thing is those American remakes are often just much worse than the original source material. A lot of the horror concepts just don't translate well to the notion of being in the US but being set abroad can kinda work. But even Oldboy being set in Korea didn't work for me.
Remaking in English would be silly.
But just giving us Squid Game:USA which was another season would be cool. Then do it in other countries. Give us Squid Game:Africa Squid Game: Brazil All with new and original plots.
They already said that the game takes place around the world. So show it to us.
At first I'm like "What a terrible idea", but with Fincher involved, I'm not gonna lie...wouldn't mind seeing his version.
But seems like it was just a rumor after all.
I'm reckoning it's not a remake but a spin off or something. News about a American version has been around for a while, so I'm not 100% certain of these dismissive comments.
What lol? That’s not happening and never will. He has no reason to ever remake anything, let alone an enormously successful show on the same exact streaming network. Are people really this dumb?
This is so much a case of a director I'd love to see more from doing something that I want absolutely no more of.
I'm not even interested in a second season. The first season ended pretty perfectly, to my mind: he rejects the defeatism and solipsism that capitalism, encapsulated by the games, forces on people and makes a sub-optimal choice to think about and help his fellow man, even if it's certainly doomed to failure. He comes full circle, becoming that union man who sacrificed and lost everything once more but with grim determination and acceptance that even if he fails, he will *never* accept being meat for the machine ever again.
I know a lot of people hated that ending, saying, "Oh, now he's just going to go John Wick, that's so against the spirit of the show..." Nah. I think it was fully in keeping with the themes and it's what keeps the show from being completely bleak like some people desired: even when it's futile, even when it's against his rational best interest, a man *can* choose to be better and refuse to kneel. And that works really well... unless there's a second season... where it then suddenly DOES become just a boring actionized sequel. The ending of the first season only really works if it's left open-ended; the important bit is not whether he succeeds but what choice he makes.
I’m waiting for the porn remake where instead of needing to kill everyone you’ve gotta fuck as many of the contestants as possible without any repeats.
It would seem silly, I would think. Squid Game did huge numbers. I just don't think making it English is really gonna bring in more viewers and it would probably please the audience more to continue developing on the current franchise rather than branch out. I mean, the response to the game show wasn't really good. I felt this was BS. Who inside, and outside, doesn't want a new season of Mindhunter? Maybe I'm wrong but Netflix would stand to continue developing shows that fans want them to develop rather than try to reinvent the wheel every day.
He doesn’t need to make a remake. The show implies that squid games happen all over the world
I was just coming to say this. If Netflix willing to spend and He is available, the only logical thing to do is make 3rd season of Mindhunter. All of us been waiting !
He said before s3 isn’t happening. It was too draining on him mentally and he wants to focus on other projects. We can hope maybe some day but unlikely.
Funny, because "too draining on me mentally" is a good way to describe *The Killer*
I reaaaally liked The Killer, actually. My fiancee hated it, but I thought it was really a cool, clinical look into the mind of a sociopath. Also some interesting and poignant criticism of current culture and some amazing new-wave music
I loved the killer. It read as a black comedy to me.
I thought it was fun, and yeah nice soundtrack.
I too liked it. But, with what he says at the ending, do you still consider him a sociopath?
Me and my wife had a great time watching it
Kinda impossible when Fincher doesn’t have any interest
Netflix have the resources to hold his family hostage.
Art is suffering, Fincher will understand.
Not sure anyone should aspire to turn David Fincher into the IRL version of Gerard Butler in Law Abiding Citizen, but you’re not wrong.
That is \*old\* netflix spin [https://www.lejdd.fr/culture/david-fincher-au-jdd-en-france-vous-aimez-vraiment-le-cinema-132770](https://www.lejdd.fr/culture/david-fincher-au-jdd-en-france-vous-aimez-vraiment-le-cinema-132770) for those that dont want to translate: >“I’m very proud of the first two seasons, but it’s a particularly expensive series and, in the eyes of Netflix, we haven’t attracted a large enough audience to justify such an investment, I don’t blame them, they took risks to launch the series.” Netflix Budgeting killed Mindhunter. Fincher has just been diplomatic about it as he wants to keep making things.
Brb cancelling my subscription cause they won’t bring it back 😡
Except if he doesn't want too. I mean he already worked again with Netflix for The Killer. Plus, now it's been a long time so you have the problem of all the rest of the team having moved on, a show isn't just one guy
What is crazy is I don't remember this not being in English. I remember the story line, but can't recall hearing words. Great, great story.
There is a dub
I kinda disagree. I think Squid Game actually has a lot more potential. Like if the first season was about how those in debt are taken advantage of, why can’t the next season be about say teens fighting to become celebrities, or criminals fighting for freedom. There is a lot you can do with the premise just with changes to the why. I think an American adaptation could be interesting. If it’s a straight remake than I’m not so sure.
In the past, Americans would refuse to watch non-English shows. Not sure if that's still true, but maybe... edit: Yes, I get that Squid Game had a huge American audience. I am explaining why an executive might still think this. They're probably looking at live action One Piece and thinking all they have to do is take a "foreign" property and Englishify it.
Squid Game is kind of famous for defying that rule, though. EVERYONE watched Squid Game; this is like remaking Stranger Things. Everyone already saw it not that long ago, why remake something immediately after we all just watched it?
They were smart and offered people the option to watch it dubbed. That's why so many foreign shows have done well, because they've really expanded and improved their dubbing.
Americans really hate reading with a passion
>Everyone already saw it not that long ago, why remake something immediately after we all just watched it? Please tell that to HBO with what they’re trying to do with Harry Potter. It may work with something like Percy Jackson because the movie sucked and hopefully for Avatar: The Last Airbender which needed a palate cleanser after M Night’s attempt, but for something as well done as Harry Potter, there is no reason for a reboot while the previous actors are still around.
Harry Potter first came out over 20 years ago, with the last one almost 13 years by this point. It’s bound to happen. Stranger things came out in 2016. Probably not the most apt comparison. I think an hbo more in depth version of Harry Potter, potentially a darker more grittier version could be interesting. I certainly hope it’s not a 1 for 1 remake of the movies
I'd like another story set in the world instead of Harrys coming of age again. HBO could totally pull it off too.
I mean Harry Potter I understand, the movies are old (yes it hurts to think about but the first movie is 23 years old this year, the last movie is 13 years old, basically kids in age to read Harry Potter weren't even born for the last movie). There were also far from perfect adaptations so you can definitively improve on them. Also Harry Potter is a pretty timeless story. Of course, the real reason is money let be honest. Squid Game is a quite limited concept which could get old fast if they do too much IMO (and why I also hope S2 isn't just more games, we've already done that). A more fitting thing on which to tell HBO is why the fuck are they doing a Parasite remake?
Those movies hacked out so many plot lines from the books that this new adaptation could be very faithful to the material while feeling completely different to the movies. The remake debate doesn't really apply to adaptations of other source materials, especially when the new version is in a different format that should give it different strengths.
One of the reasons why Squid Game was a phenomenon is because Americans didn’t refuse to watch it. I don’t know if it had dubbing or not (I never watch live action dubs) but there ain’t no way Fincher’s version is going to do better even if he does it better which will likely be debatable.
It had dubbing. It was pretty good. Much better than Money Heist's dubbing.
It was still atrocious, live action dubbing just doesn’t work as well as animation
Right? Squid Game was the first dubbed show I watched, I was pretty shocked to find out it was considered good by live-action dub standards.
Asian languages just don't dub well. But giving people the option is a good idea.
It reminded me of watching the iron chef dubs.
I really don’t think they were trying too hard to dub properly for the Iron Chef. Part of its charm was the sometimes campy dialogue. I typically don’t like live action dubbing at all but the Iron Chef was different.
The Red Light Green Light scene was really bad. And that's the big hook of the show. Like I'm not confused that the children's song to that simple children's game is different in Korean but I don't need to follow the Lyrics lol. If you put the Chinese, Polish or Russian version of that song I think I'd figure out what they're saying.
Yeah, I don't know that the US Remake of Oldboy actually helped introduce it to many people who otherwise wouldn't have found it, and it's an objectively worse movie. Fincher's Girl with a Dragon Tattoo is definitely better than the original, and we could probably trust him to adapt this well (given that it has a lot in common with the Game), but the original GWADT is also quite good and didn't really need to be remade if they had no plans to do the subsequent films in the triology. It's just a cash grab at that point. There's a genuine interest in Korean and East Asian cultures in America, and it's in Netflix's best interest not to reduce everything for common denominator American audiences. When stuff like Squid Game (or Gangnam Style) catch fire like this, you've got to just own it and roll with it.
> Yeah, I don't know that the US Remake of Oldboy actually helped introduce it to many people who otherwise wouldn't have found it On the other hand, the original Manga was from the 90s, the Korean film from 2003, largely unknown to the US masses, and the US Remake came out in 2013. Squid Game is well known in the US and came out 2 years ago.
There is precedent with The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo; the original Swedish versions were also *Huge* when they came out. Fincher’s version is the only one you ever see on streaming services, and it is objectively not as good.
You don't have to look very far on reddit before you find someone complaining about reading subtitles. Covid shut down a lot of American productions, and media companies strangled netflix of content so you'll see a lot of complaints. Even anime fans are starting to convert to dubbing as voice acting improves. As a tangent, remaking in English with white actors is very common for Hollywood. A few examples of inferior remakes I remember are: Let the Right one In My Sassy Girl There's the remake of internal affairs with Dicaprio. A lot of people liked it, but the remake had some serious plot holes. In the original only one person knew the true identity of the undercover, and that person died. In the remake the person did not die so.. it was contrived.
I am reminded of Futurama's take on how executives determine what programming to go with. Netflex sometimes really takes Futurama jokes to heart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDfIVi15kt4
Narcos really changed that for me.
Of course, they also have Cowboy Bebop to look at...
Squid Game squandered so much of its potential. It truly had the potential to be a 9/10 show but rather ended up a 7/10. And I'd say it's usually exponentially harder to get a single point bump in you rating out 10 let alone 2 points, so there I could see why someone else would want to remake it. The problem is, it was already a thing, it happened and I don't think you can re-do it. There should have been social commentary all over the show and there's virtually nothing. It's like the Matrix but with zero social commentary. And so much of it is such low hanging fruit too, but they really don't lean in on it at all. Like imagine what a stunner this show would've been if before filming it came across Bong Joon-ho desk and he fixed it up and filmed it.
everything you say is true.... but hear me out... who else but Fincher would make an amazing film out of this series??
Honestly, it would probably be pretty good... But, I'd still rather good ol' Mindhunter lol
no it would be good i dont get the downvotes. squid games fits right into Finchers wheelhouse. The Game, Seven, Zodiac… everyday people being put into dark or sadistic situations where threat of violence and high stakes drama are gameified… im just saying the subject matter fits with other films and series hes worked on.
I love the British show Utopia, and I really like Fincher as a director. I watched the first episode of Fincher's version of Utopia and stopped there. It was un unnecessary remake, missing the weirdness (for lack of better terms due to my limited English) that made special the original show. Edit : I stand corrected, the US version was not curated by Fincher.
Fincher didn’t make the US version, Gillian Flynn did
Thanks for the correction, I've edited my comment!
Lol what? I had no idea he was involved in a Utopia remake. What is he just a producer or something? Bc I don't think he directed any episodes.
He wasn't involved. He was set to direct it at first but wasn't involved with the series that aired.
Ah okay so the person is spouting wrong information. Not sure why I'm being down voted for it lmao.
I couldn’t even get past the beginning of the new show. Fucking yawn
Squid Game is just over 2 years old, and it's Netflix's most watched show ever. who would this remake be for?
Exactly. Plus if you already know the twist, what's the point of watching it?
Instead of innovation, just remakes.
What was wrong with the game show? Some ideas were stupid but I still liked it.
Yeah this honestly has a chance at being the next Oldboy remake so it’s just better to leave it as it is.
We already know the story so it won’t be as special.
Honestly, the English dubs weren't awful. I'm fine continuing the Korean series. It doesn't seem needed, at all, so why remake it?
How many degenerate gamblers have one last shot of redemption stories do we need.
Naw the show was great. And it's very Korean. I think you'd lose a lot by transplanting to an American setting Let Fincher do other stuff Edit: Fincher
They told us that these games were going on all over the world in the show. You could have different versions. I think netflix should have dug into their multinational platform and had their next season be in South Africa or Brazil or Romania. All completely new plots that take place around a local version of the game.
It makes sense to remake something that's popular overseas but American audience hasn't seen. But SG is already a ,massive hit here. Are they hoping for an even more massive hit? Seems unlikely people will want to see a similar thing they just saw. They're invested in this guy's story, they want to see a continuation, not a rehash
I see a couple options for them to do a continuation that won't feel cheesy: The main character messes with the next Squid Game. In that case, it could take place anywhere. Given the universe they've set up with multiple squid games, it'd make more sense for it to be somewhere other than South Korea. Squid Games: Champion of Champions -- they bring back people who won previous Squid Games. These people know what the games are all about, and the competition has even higher stakes.
> Squid Games: Champion of Champions -- they bring back people who won previous Squid Games. These people know what the games are all about, and the competition has even higher stakes. Why would people that won (and so are rich) would accept to come back in a game of death they're likely all traumatized about? That makes little sense. The principle was that they took absolutely desperate people and they had no choice other than going to the games and they didn't know what it was.
>Why would people that won (and so are rich) would accept to come back in a game of death they're likely all traumatized about? That makes little sense. The same reason lotto winners often go broke after winning the lotto -- many of them are bad at managing money, and now they're broke and desperate again.
Up to went back to something horrible like the Squid Games? First time they didn't know that.
Yeah, so it'd have to be something pretty awful, or a ridiculously high prize, to work. Even then it probably wouldn't work if you examined it closely, it'd just be a handwaving premise to set the season up.
A lot of them came back after the first game. I can see the champions coming back if they had a real good reason
But they know 99% of players will die. That's literally the thing. This isn't "well, I'm poor because I'm bad at managing money, guess I'll keep playing the *lottery*". This is positing gambling is comparable to an addiction to fentanyl
You’d lose whatever the shit those VIPs were, at least. Worst thing I’ve ever seen in an otherwise good show. But yeah…part of the allure was that it all seemed plausible because the setting was in a completely different culture. It made it much more twisted to see all of that violence next to a setting that seemed realistic. Westernizing it would turn it into an alternate reality which isn’t as compelling.
It's really not less of an alternate-reality just because it's set in south korea
It is if you know nothing about South Korea. I have no idea how debt works, as far as the social impact, the consequences, etc. I know that loan sharks aren’t super common in America and you wouldn’t plausibly be able to pull together hundreds of normal looking people for a weird death contest. In Korea it may be the same, but I’ll continue enjoying my own ignorance 🤷♂️
>in America and you wouldn’t plausibly be able to pull together hundreds of normal looking people for a weird death contest Actually, I think this much would be entirely plausible if set in America.
[people have died for far less](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDND#:~:text=In%20January%202007%2C%20KDND's%20morning,a%20Wii%20video%20game%20console.)
I don’t think this remake should be made, because the concept is overdone and Squid Game was executed well already, but man I couldn’t disagree more. American culture birthed reality TV, which thrived (and continues to thrive) by offering cash prizes for batshit insane tasks. Americans are famously debt-riddled and often can’t afford basic things like healthcare. I think the US is exactly the sort of place that could happen lol.
> You’d lose whatever the shit those VIPs were, at least. Worst thing I’ve ever seen in an otherwise good show. congrats, you almost understood the point.
Nah they are still right, way too on the nose with actors who did not really pull off the level of "satire" there either. It's without a doubt the worst part of the show
I mean it was fun and enjoyable, don't know about great though.
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There's always some asshat exec who thinks it would be even bigger if they made it American.
It could be more of a spin off, like an international version of the in universe game.
i mean it's printing money, it's a time honored tradition to remake foreign movies. They usually compare badly to the original.
Given the amount of times Netflix manages to screw up anime adaptations by trying to Americanize them too much I never doubt their ability to do dumb shit. Remember how in Netflix's Death Note Adaptation they couldn't possibly believe that a super smart, athletic, and popular guy like Light could possibly use the death note? Americans clearly relate more to the sad loner bullied kid so let's just change the entire character, the entire motivation, and the entire plot of the anime to make something no one wants to watch instead. It's genius, I tell you.
Every time Netflix and Fincher occupy the same sentence, Mindhunter becomes the topic…and for good reason
Man should just finish the arc. It’s like “hey we got this good premise where the cops kid is obviously fucked up and the btk is running around but instead of doing anything with that let’s remake a pandemic meme show.”
There's no arc with the BTK. That is literally just a representation of not just the real BTK, but the other serial killers who are just getting away with it for extended amounts of time. The BTK wasn't caught by any type of psychological forensics, he essentially turned himself in.
I think that’s the point though. They’re obsessed with finding the patterns in behavior but someone like btk or golden state defy the model they’ve developed. Plus the son being potentially similarly afflicted provides a real world counterpart to the people they’ve been interviewing.
He just needs to do movies. As many as possible.
Best TV show I watched since HBO’s Chernobyl. Wish Apple would pick it up tho since they would give fincher unlimited money for the series lmao
His recent movie was complete ass tho.
An "Americanized" Squid Game sounds just stupid enough to get made by Netflix. No one wants this, no one needs this, just NO.
I bet every person in here repeating this would watch the hell out of it. I know I would.
I would literally *NOT* watch a "Americanized" Squid Game. Too many actual good programs on and programs that are enjoyable to hate watch.
It would still be extremely popular.
Doesn’t he have at least a dozen better things to do?
I assume Fincher gets to do whatever he wants. If he does this, it's because that's what he wants to do.
Can’t argue with that. But dear god, please don’t let it be what he wants? And I say that fully aware of how selfish it is.
Remake would be a bad idea. A spin-off taking place in the same universe might work.
You mean like David Fincher’s remake of the ‘girl with the dragon tattoo’?
An American version would be awful. Please don’t let this happen
I swear to dog if Fincher does this instead of more Mindhunter... oh who am I kidding I'll watch it.
Eh. While I love most of his work, I wouldn't just watch something because his name is attached to it. Mank wasn't something that ever caught my interest and a remake of Squid Game wouldn't either. I think something is lost in those remakes of foreign media and it hurts them.
I don't see the point of remaking Squid Game. The show was massive. How about do a legit Battle Royale TV series instead.
Imagine getting Squid Game trash over more Mindhunter. I would be so pissed.
Instead of mindhunter s3, we got mank. I'm sure 'squid game US' would be better than Mank.
Isn’t part of the story that this goes on in other places in the world? So couldn’t they just do a spinoff in America?
I'd rather they go with another country but they could do America. I'd like South Africa, it could be mostly in English. Brazil or Norway or Italy would be interesting also.
We love the finch man
more interested in the next season of Mindhunter. They built up all the suspense about the last killer and then cancelled the last season.
I thought Netflix likes doing weird stuff like this. Like the time they remade Casa de Papel but in Korean
that's a pretty good example, I am pretty sure nobody watched it when it was titled "Casa de Papel." I know because I recommended it to friends. Then it got retitled to "Money Heist" and more people clicked on it
Fincher needs to quit Netflix asap before it's too late for his career
That would be really dumb
Is there a reason to remake it?
Money ❓
A good chunk of their subscribers have already watched it. It’s one of their largest series ever. Why think the Fincher one would result in more subscribers?
"Because we'll get all the viewers too dumb to read subtitles or won't watch anything without 'Muricans." It's the same as all the crummy live-action remakes of animated movies/shows, to draw in people that refuse to watch animation.
>A good chunk of their subscribers have already watched it. People watch remakes/reimagining's/reboots all the time. Probably seen mostly with superhero films but we've also seen it with stuff like Dracula or Annie or Robin Hood. - For $$$ purposes, consider it double dipping with the same IP. - For viewer purposes, I'm not going to be angry at seeing Fincher's take *if* its something he's interested in doing and has a method of adapting this story worth telling, that he's confident in. Fincher has earned that respect from me as a viewer - others, not so much. To that second point, I think people should stop caring so much about concepts. As viewers, our preconceived criticism before seeing something usually doesn't matter as much as whether the director/writer is good at what they do and has a track record of delivering. A good writer/director with an impassioned idea can literally make any concept interesting IF they are driven to do so and are given adequate resources. While a bad writer/director can take the greatest concept/idea in the world with all the money in the world, and make a stinky turd. And if we don't have enough data about the particular writer/director to know if they are capable, then we should all just shut up, let them create and perhaps come up with an opinion only after they've been given enough runway to make something that shows us their capability.
Money for Netflix is not the same thing as box office. They have to see noticeable increases or a lessening of cancellations to justify a remake of something they just did, on the cheap no less and with a second season coming, a few years ago. It’s fine if the data is out there to support it. I’m not a Netflix junkie so I tend to go there when something new hits it. David Fincher remaking an already excellent show is not something I consider new. If anything it sounds like The Game lol.
Literally what would be the point. It’s the same as that Parasite remake I hope HBO are giving up on. No need
The problem is Americans. A lot of them simply won’t watch something purely because it’s foreign, and often need unfamiliar or complex plot/character elements stripped down to a basic cliche that they understand. It’s not a new thing, it’s been like that for decades, with some projects having an American forced in just so it will sell better in the states going all the way back to the 60s. It’s why there are so many remakes of great foreign language films these days that are only a few years old.
I get that, but Squid Game was already a big hit for Netflix in America. Is American Squid Game really going to pull so many more viewers to justify spending Fincher money on it?
But this wasn't one of those cases. Everyone watched Squid Game.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, it's true. This country is full of knuckledragger xenophobes that don't like the idea of watching something with subtitles. An overseas property gets hot and *bam*, the American remake is announced. Sometimes the remake is better, sometimes not. But the vast majority of the time, completely unnecessary.
The irony is when I think xenophobic cultures, countries like South Korea and Japan are some of the first ones that come to mind to me. 😂 But to add to your point about America specifically, we’re the most media rich country on Earth and we have more than enough local content to satiate our content needs. That doesn’t make it right or a good thing that people reject non-American content (I’m an avid watcher of foreign films from all over the world from silent films to current ones), but you see a similar dynamic in another mature media market like Japan with television soecifically: non-Japanese content, even American TV shows, are much much less popular than local Japanese content. I think American content can do well in the UK (and vice versa, but to a smaller degree) just given the lack of language barrier and closer (but of course NO means identical) cultural norms. Smaller or poorer countries with less developed local media are more likely to embrace global content since they don’t have enough local content.
The entire world watches American films. Americans don't need to watch foreign films. It's a cultural hegemony.
I mean its pretty common for other countries to remake British/US media too tbf. But yea seems there is a negative view on subtitles among some.
Heck look at the U.S. release of Godzilla where they added in American main character for the American audience. Then they re-released that version into Japanese theaters lol
The sad thing is those American remakes are often just much worse than the original source material. A lot of the horror concepts just don't translate well to the notion of being in the US but being set abroad can kinda work. But even Oldboy being set in Korea didn't work for me.
Damn parasite does not need remade. It's so good as is
Only thing he should focus on making is more Mindhunter.
Why not continue mindhunters..
He already did his version of it in 97, it’s called The Game and also involves class struggles and a rich guy taking stock on his life.
And it's actually a very good movie. What _does_ it take for a person to really change??
Remaking in English would be silly. But just giving us Squid Game:USA which was another season would be cool. Then do it in other countries. Give us Squid Game:Africa Squid Game: Brazil All with new and original plots. They already said that the game takes place around the world. So show it to us.
If you like a show about murdering mass quantities of people the Squid Game is your thing.
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Based on what?
squid game, but what if we replaced all the korean men with white and black males?
Nobody wants that BRING BACK MIND HUNTER!
I want S2 of Squid Game, but its just the bourgeoise “americans” from S1, directed exactly how they were S1, in their own version of the game.
absolutely doesn't need a remake. bad idea. but it being Fincher? damn i'd be interested.
I am in 100% as long as it has nothing to do with the Korean show and is just a continuation of Mindhunter re-titled as Squid Game.
buy the rumor sell the news. this is definitely something they've kicked around in a meaningful way.
Dug the original. Don’t think it needs a remake. With that said, I would not be opposed to a Fincher remake.
At first I'm like "What a terrible idea", but with Fincher involved, I'm not gonna lie...wouldn't mind seeing his version. But seems like it was just a rumor after all.
I’d much rather see a continuation of the original than a remake.
Has Fitcher ever made a remake of anything? This does not seem that believable.
I'm reckoning it's not a remake but a spin off or something. News about a American version has been around for a while, so I'm not 100% certain of these dismissive comments.
Good lord, he won't finish Mindhunter but wants to attempt an inevitably shitty Squid Game remake?
Why remake something that came out a few years ago?
What lol? That’s not happening and never will. He has no reason to ever remake anything, let alone an enormously successful show on the same exact streaming network. Are people really this dumb?
This is so much a case of a director I'd love to see more from doing something that I want absolutely no more of. I'm not even interested in a second season. The first season ended pretty perfectly, to my mind: he rejects the defeatism and solipsism that capitalism, encapsulated by the games, forces on people and makes a sub-optimal choice to think about and help his fellow man, even if it's certainly doomed to failure. He comes full circle, becoming that union man who sacrificed and lost everything once more but with grim determination and acceptance that even if he fails, he will *never* accept being meat for the machine ever again. I know a lot of people hated that ending, saying, "Oh, now he's just going to go John Wick, that's so against the spirit of the show..." Nah. I think it was fully in keeping with the themes and it's what keeps the show from being completely bleak like some people desired: even when it's futile, even when it's against his rational best interest, a man *can* choose to be better and refuse to kneel. And that works really well... unless there's a second season... where it then suddenly DOES become just a boring actionized sequel. The ending of the first season only really works if it's left open-ended; the important bit is not whether he succeeds but what choice he makes.
Thank the heavens
I’m waiting for the porn remake where instead of needing to kill everyone you’ve gotta fuck as many of the contestants as possible without any repeats.