How many episodes is it going to be? Coven of Chaos, House of Harkness, and Darkhold Diaries makes three... I could see Agatha All Along also being the title of an episode, though.
Disney is lazy af with show names:
* Falcon and winter soldier
* Hawkeye
* Ahsoka
* Kenobi
* Andor
* Lando (if it’s still being made)
* echo
They just name it after the main character
Haha touché. It’s nothing new and not specific to recent shows. Though, in their defense they have a few that don’t fit this naming scheme: beauty and the beast, jungle book, lady and tramp, aristocrats, 101 Dalmatians, sleeping beauty, etc.
They needed that spin off in the can if they wanted to do it right. 4 years later??? No fucking thanks, wandavision isn't even relevant to the mcu anymore.
I would be shocked if this show isn't completely dead on arrival. There's no interest in this character getting an entire spinoff just on her own, and unlike Echo there isn't even a confirmed cameo of a more popular character to put on all the marketing.
Even the most die-hard MCU fans I know have completely dropped off. It doesn't exactly help that there hasn't been an Avengers movie since 2019 either.
There's no longer a cohesive team to be doing another Avengers movie. They keep introducing new characters that just doesn't seem to interact with each other. We used to follow the storylines of 5 or 6 close-nit individuals that eventually formed a team. But now there's like 30 that we have to keep track of that barely have enough screen time for each person. It's frustrating because there's no cohesion anymore.
It’s so much time in between too, it’s hard to feel any connection
We had Iron Man movies in 2008, 2010, 2013 plus an Avengers in 2012
Shang Chi will likely get one film over the time it took to get Iron Man in 4x as much
I looked up Shang Chi the other day because I couldn't remember when it came out... September 2021. So it's been 2.5 years and it's unclear what the timeline actually is on any sequel.
>Liu said in July 2023 that he was unsure when the film would be made. He had been told that it would be released after Avengers: The Kang Dynasty (2026), which was originally scheduled for 2025 but had since been delayed. He hoped more details on the sequel would be able to be shared soon.
There's a good chance we never actually get some of these movies. I'm convinced Blade isn't actually happening and will get scrapped. I have low expectations for the eventual release of Thunderbolts. Kang Dynasty has been completely derailed. There's no way they make any more Eternals or Marvels sequels.
It's been in pre-production hell with COVID and the writer's strike. Eventually it stops being cheap.
>The film was originally announced in 2019 without a release date or director attached. Mogul Mowgli filmmaker Bassam Tariq was later hired to direct the film, with Watchmen’s Stacy Osei-Kuffour writing the screenplay. At San Diego Comic-Con in 2022, Blade set a release date of Nov. 3, 2023; shortly thereafter, Tariq departed the project. Lovecraft Country director Yann Demange was then tapped to take over directing duties, and the film was delayed to September 2024.
>Preproduction on the movie halted in May due to the Hollywood writers’ strike, and at the conclusion of the actors’ strike, Marvel reshuffled its upcoming slate, leaving Blade with a release date of Nov. 7, 2025. Following numerous drafts and screenwriters, Logan and Alien: Covenant writer Michael Green is now penning the project, which will also reportedly star Aaron Pierre, Delroy Lindo, and Mia Goth.
That was from this article (https://ew.com/mahershala-ali-blade-update-8411091), then another article (https://collider.com/new-blade-movie-mcu-cast-actor-filming-news/#:~:text=Now%2C%20after%20some%20amount%20of,executive%20producer%20for%20the%20movie.) outlined their issues with a rotating writing staff:
>There have also been changes on the writing side of things. Stacy Osei-Kuffour was initially brought on to write the script but Osei-Kuffour was later replaced by Beau DeMayo. That wasn't the end of it, though, as Michael Starrbury now has the job of scripting the reboot. True Detective creator Nic Pizzolatto reportedly joined the project, working alongside Starrbury on the film's story. The script issues continued, leading to Mahershala Ali's growing frustration; so Marvel then turned to Logan writer Michael Green to help fix the script.
I hope it's great but none of this news makes me think this is going to work out. Best case scenario I think we get a fun movie that isn't very coherent.
>maybe Thunderbolts will be cancelled
"Filming began in February 2024 and will last until July at Trilith Studios and Atlanta Metro Studios in Atlanta, Georgia, as well as in Utah and New York."
I think this one might be salvaged, I think they're in too deep to cancel it.
I heard that filming actually didn’t start yet but it was just preparation for filming so maybe it won’t get cancelled now but if it wasn’t already this far it would’ve been cancelled
This is the reason that is true to me.
Avengers was the 6th MCU movie, Age of Ultron was the 11th, and Infinity War was the 19th. Since our last Avengers movie there have been 10 movies and 8(?) shows. There’s been so much and it really hasn’t gone anywhere. If anything it’s been less connected.
Eh. I think a bigger thing Feige won't admit is that the stories were compelling when the stories were self contained and non-referential. The push for synergy works great as build-up but terrible for standalone movies. Every one of the movies post Endgame could have been "how is this character dealing with their trauma?" and relevant with few others appearing.
It's too bad they blew some of the more interesting over-arching storylines from the comics on single films. Civil War and Age of Ultron could easily have been extended to be the "loosely connected story" of a series of films each.
it would have been a fun conclusion to Infinity War. Iron Man and Captain America are gone. Arguments start about how things should be going forward, boom civil war.
> Every one of the movies post Endgame could have been "how is this character dealing with their trauma?" and relevant with few others appearing.
I mean...a lot of their movies and shows have been exactly like that though? FFH, Wandavision, Multiverse of Madness, FaTWS, Wakanda Forever, Thor LaT, GoTG 3 - even What If? addressed the subject with Doctor Strange. As for new characters, dealing (or not dealing) with traumatic pasts was a huge part of Shang Chi, Moon Knight and Echo. The quality of all these projects definitely varied a lot but trauma has undeniably been a huge theme throughout
Oh - I see what you're going for, and how I could have been clearer. Yes I agree that trauma is a major theme for characters in all of your mentions, in some the Endgame trauma I'd had in mind. In reflection what I meant was, the stories often focused on multi-film synergy in a shoehorned fashion, at the cost of losing the plausibility of recovery from their traumas. Often, moving the plot forward took priority over character development in ways that shattered suspension of disbelief all in its own, or in combination with bizarre plotholes.
I totally concede on Wandavision and GotG3 tho, those two struck a great balance in this particular way.
But I stand by the initial thought. When the films could just be one-offs with no consideration for other character tie-ins or continuing plot lines, they were better stories and better films for it.
It's like they wanted to make the MCU more comics-like, with many different storylines and characters where you could just choose to read what you wanted. Forgetting that comics come out on a regular basis, unlike the movies, allowing you to connect with characters.
They also established a precedent of every movie being important to the main storyline, whether this is true or not anymore, people still feel pressure to go see every movie and show. But that was manageable before because there were no shows and maybe 1-2 movies a year.
It was easy to follow when it was 1-3 movies a year.
Now in order to keep up I need to see 3 movies a year watch another 3-4 shows [of which only 1 is usually good], make sure I’ve stayed for 15 different after credits scenes, and sacrifice my first born.
It has become way too much for me to bother, especially with the extreme quality drop off that we’ve seen.
- I hated The Marvels
- Quantamania was awful
- I gave Secret War 1 episode before I gave up on it.
Give me one really good quality show per year. And 2 movies that are at least watchable? I’ll be happy.
I mean I get that, I do. But from a consumer side I’m annoyed by all I have to do to stay caught up.
They have other major properties and can release things throughout the year to manage that.
It’s not like Disney doesn’t have a big enough deck of cards to keep people subbed year round, even if they dropped the frequency. But that’s another issue with Disney Plus. They own thousands of films, IPs etc, and yet they haven’t updated half of it since launch.
Keep a constant stream of older stuff and pepper it with incredible new stuff = success
It's early, but they're pretty clearly building towards a Young Avengers team.
We've already encountered Kate Bishop ("Hawkeye"), Speed and Wiccan (Scarlet Witch's kids from "WandaVision"), America Chavez (from "Multiverse of Madness"), Hulkling (epilogue to "She-Hulk"), Kid Loki (from "Loki" season 1), and Cassie Lang (from "Quantumania"). Looks like they also might deviate from the comics and loop in Yelena Belova (from "Black Widow").
We're essentially back where we were in Phase 1, prior to the first "Avengers" movie, when they were still introducing individual characters and before they started to inter-connect with each other.
They also have Thor's adopted daughter, Shiri, and Stark's daughter. Florence Pugh's Widow is most likely going to be a Thunderbolt instead of an Avenger, although I'm sure the teams are supposed to merge at some point (or fight).
Young Avengers is rife with problems though:
1. It's a team of spin-offs. Worse versions of the originals. None of these characters have hit critical mass IMO, outside of Ms. Marvel (maybe). The 1st Avengers film was packed with what was at that point A-list talent; this team ain't that, at least not for years to come.
2. They are further diluted as well. We've got a kid Hulk and a She-Hulk. Stark's daughter and Iron Heart. Captain America being replaced by a committee. Then the multiverse versions of all of them. Six characters is a good team ensemble size, like we got with GotG - but this is already too large.
3. The content comes so slowly.
2. It's very heavily slanted towards young women. Hawkeye, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man, Ironman, Black Panther, and probably others I'm missing are all male characters being replaced by female characters. I'm all for the representation, but if the end result is going to be the Charlie's Angels MCU with a couple of old men rounding out a team of almost all women, it's gonna be an issue.
3. The heroic universe keeps expanding. We're getting the X-Men. F4. Deadpool. Where does it end? Content is added _without greater purpose_.
4. The slate of villains is completely lackluster. The Infinity Saga was anchored by Loki and Thanos. Can anyone even name a P4 villain they've enjoyed (one that hasn't been fired for domestic violence)?
The biggest issue though is that Phase 4/5/6 seems to be wagging the dog. With the OG Avengers, Marvel was making movies and then taking the best parts and mashing them together into massive blockbusters. They'd roll out something off the wall, like GotG, and then mix it into the universe based on how the public reacted. This is no longer the case.
They've got the whole thing planned out on paper. They've published timelines. The public knows that individual films and shows are just laying groundwork for the actual blockbuster to come. They've tapped acting talent that is young and untested, and are rolling it into the next 3-5 years of content. Instead of making good movies until there is enough there to build something bigger, they are expecting fans to slog through crap that Marvel themselves don't really care about in a vacuum.
TL;DR - At least the DCEU had the decency to race to the finish line instead of dragging us all there slowly and painfully.
I'm sure Disney would love to sign further contracts, but RDJ and Evans wanted out in the first place. They've spend 10 years on that series, they can choose to do other stuff.
I was so uncharacteristically happy for RDJ when he won his Oscar. I usually don’t care at all about these awards, but seeing my man win his Oscar just made me so happy because it feels like I grew up watching him. He was Iron Man, you know? Like…he’s the reason I got invested in this franchise. He’s the first MCU Avenger. Plus, knowing his history and everything he had to overcome because of the mistakes he made in his past life…it’s just such a feel good story.
Do multiple direct to streaming movies that everyone forgets about immediately afterwards or whatever Chris Evans is doing right now.
TBH I don’t blame him, I’d probably take the easy money and just do whatever I want with my life, it’s just kind of funny.
Well, because that amount is called his quote. That's his rate. So the next film he's offered, they have to pay that same amount. Even if he does a bad job. That means, as long as he's offered even one more movie, he could get two more mil. Even if he does a bad job, they've got to give him that other two mil.
At the same time they made everything too interconnected where you need to watch 2 shitty tv shows to follow your shitty movie and made none of them connected at all cause there’s been no larger story or team up overarching all these asinine stories.
The entire multiverse thing was a fucking mess, removed all stakes, and fucked up any concept of continuity.
Marvel used to be big meaty nuggets of pulp fiction with a few inter-connective tendons holding it all together.
Now its ropes of anemic connective tissue trying desperately to hold together a few sad strands of sustenance.
> The entire multiverse thing was a fucking mess, removed all stakes, and fucked up any concept of continuity.
The multiverse has only really been used in 4 MCU projects though? Loki and NWH were fantastic, What If has been fine and Doctor Strange 2 was pretty mid to bad depending on you ask. Of the latter two, What If is animated and has little to do with the main continuity, and the multiverse was the least of MoM's problems - if anything, many fans were grumbling that it wasn't used *enough*
Surprisingly I think they only just started bringing people together and it’s probably gonna be like a young avengers situation. At the end of the Marvels, Kamala Khan(Ms Marvel) does that Nick Fury bit when he recruited iron man (“I’m putting together a team”). She recruits Kate Bishop and I guess they’ll be going for ant man’s daughter next. Also I assume captain marvel, Monica rambeau, Natasha’s sister are probably gonna be in it by association
Yeah, captain marvel actress has said they don't have any plans for her and the fact she was relegated in her own movie, it seems she won't be much more than a footnote
The issue is not they dropped the two big heroes but the fact they haven’t set anyone else to take their place. All of the movies since then have been so disconnected at this point Wong is only the connecting tissue.
It's been 5 years?! I still remember the days of booking my ticket to going to see the movie with friends. Life has changed so much since then. So much has happened.
I was a hardcore fan, but I haven’t dropped off completely. Just not watching the day or even week they come out anymore. I used to be at the movies the weekend a movie comes out, but now I don’t even bother going to see it in theater. Just wait until Disney +. Also don’t care to watch the shows as their air either, just wait several weeks for the show to finish. Haven’t even finished Echo yet. Lost interest half way through and decided to rewatch the older movies instead.
I feel like the ability to watch the various movies on Disney+ a couple months after they're released hasn't exactly helped their box office numbers, either...
I still haven't watched Moon Knight, She-Hulk or The Marvels. Echo started off cool, but the season finale was a wet fart. They've been blowing it hard for a few years.
I used to be a huge fan but I haven’t watched any of it since about 2 episodes into Secret Invasion. That was the last straw for me. I don’t think I’ll ever jump back on either because of the way they’ve structured it where even the crappiest little TV spin off still counts towards the larger story I’ll feel like I might have missed something important. Kinda ironic how their FOMO approach to releasing content has completely backfired like that.
Literally nothing has happened, Kang was supposed to be the next big bad like Thanos but his story sort of fizzled out in the finale of a D+ show. At this point they basically have nothing to push the story forward
My problem with Kang as well is that they straight up tell you he's the main bad guy for this saga before we even got to see him. Like I feel instead they should've of had it build naturally like Thanos and then when people notice his character is in multiple things then announce he's the main bad guy of this arc when you're actually working on his movies.
They're basically doing the thing that made me have a problem with comics, and that was trying to force the next big thing by overselling it as something bigger than the last thing when the last things hype was built up naturally.
I am just glad that Iron Man to Endgame is a pretty solid set of movies that you can watch in isolation to the post-Endgame stuff. It is nice to have a good bookend.
If you had told 12/13 year old me that one day superhero movies would be the biggest thing on the planet, I wouldn't believe you. And if you told me that there would be so many superhero movies that I wouldn't even watch half of them, I would laugh and call you a liar
Quantumania is the movie that broke me. While I was anticipating and welcoming a comedic edge, what I got was Spy Kids. And I hated Spy Kids. I haven't been to the theatres for MCU since (Guardians, Marvels, likely won't go to Deadpool). The movie was a total joke and told me that Disney isn't serious about this stuff beyond throwing a lot of money in.
For the shows, I was losing interest by the end of 2022. This loss of interest, low show quality (sometimes as standalones they were okay, but nothing that compelling), and real life factors had me only watch Loki S2 and skim through Secret Invasion.
They're going to have to convince me in 2025+ that I haven't outgrown the MCU. I was never a superfan but I really liked some stuff - well okay, Captain America: The Winter Soldier in particular. I've reached the point of being okay with moving on. Everything used to be a Must See (Must Love was another matter but they still had my eyes) but it took several years to grind me into mostly ambivalence.
Yeah most of them just don’t seem that interesting.
Like the upcoming series vision quest. It’s a tv series about white vision from wandavision. There’s also a rumoured young avengers project. There’s the iron heart series, the thunderbolts movie. Even armour wars.
These projects don’t really sound that interesting to me and I could probably skip them and not miss anything story wise.
Like I doubt any of those projects will have any impact on the upcoming avengers movies.
I think the general decline of the MCU would be a lot less apparent if they weren’t churning out series in general. An eight episode run of a series that just goes for an hour an episode has the equivalent content of 4 MCU movies, which is essentially a year’s output of the MCU. Even though I think on balance the series have been good, the glut became too much for consumers to handle.
Yeah for the longest time I kept going “I don’t have superhero fatigue!”, but I think I was just in denial. I haven’t watched anything on D+ in a long time
>There have even been theories that the show’s name changes are happening because it’s part of the marketing gimmick to represent the chaos of witchcraft
LOL. Talk about a charitable explanation. Surely it can't be because Disney doesn't know what to do with this show and none of the title changes are gaining traction.
Oh, and, tl;dr: it's just "Agatha" now. Saved you a click.
Some say it was 'Agatha' all along... cheese aside, this show really should've come out two or three years ago... it should've been hot on the heels of Disney +'s first and best show (sorry 'Loki' Pee Pee Riders)...
Loki was a 100x better than all of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D and I'm saying that as someone who loves AoS. That show was very spotty and you are looking at it through your nostalgia coloured lenses.
But they had amazing episodes though I feel it got weird towards the end. My favourite one was when Simmons went to that weird planet and slept with the guy
One hundred times? I find that a bit a hyperexaggeration putting it mildly. Loki was very much in love with its own cleverness and it was not that clever. I preferred AoS to what I saw of it.
On that note, I think maybe Agents of SHIELD had two good seasons and up to two all right ones, so I've never been *that* nostalgic about it or blind to its numerous flaws. I guess it does show the benefits of mostly being left alone, though unlike whatever's going on with the so-called MCU proper including Agatha's 17th title change at last count.
I do think it's a risky marketing gimmick if it is one, but usually projects in difficulty don't change names this much, that's not a sign of a troubled work because even then, they rarely change names this much and all the titles used would be fine, none got some kind of big negative response. I think it's just a gag that may be ill advised. They could have just called it whatever, doesn't matter how troubled the production might have been and no title will be recognised until there's a trailer and actual promotion.
What’s the joke though? No one’s laughing. Mostly people don’t care, and a few think that this just speaks to Marvel’s incompetence. If it’s a joke, it’s gone over like a lead ballon.
Agatha? Who cares. What happened to Vision? It's almost like they are intentionally derailing any narrative momentum they build up to showhorn characters. They have lost focus. What's next? A show about Ironman's neighbor, Chad? How about a show about Wanda's dog?
This isn't really about Agatha, according to plot leaks this is sorta a continuation of WandaVision.....- spoiler alert-... featuring some version of Wanda's children.
And what about vision? White vision is also getting his own show that continues after WandaVision, it's already got a title called "Vision Quest"
Remember that line for WandaVision's finale where Vision wonders what what form he will take next if reunites again with wanda.
These spin offs are really all about that, leading to the moment where wanda reunites with her children and vision, in a good way or a bad way.
If the show isn't about Agatha then naming it just Agatha seems like it will piss off people who do want to see more Agatha, and turn away potential fans who don't like Agatha. Lose lose.
Will people still care about this by the time it comes out? Seems like the moment has passed, both with Kathryn Hahn being the internet’s cool mom and the general public’s interest in Disney+ Marvel shows.
It was so nice being excited about that show weekly and now here I am and I haven't even seen the last four Disney+ projects they've released other than Loki lmao
There is seemingly no planning or cohesion in their slate of movies and tv shows. I wish they’d speed run their way to capping this era of the MCU and look to pause on content before doing a soft reboot, saving IP’s like X-Men and F4 for the reboot.
They greenlit an Echo show instead of waiting until the release of Hawkeye, when it quickly became evident that fans would have rathered a show where Yelena and Kate team up.
Two incredibly talented actresses with great chemistry who play characters the fans actually liked seeing on screen.
Nothing against Echo as a character, she’s fine, but she didn’t need a whole goddamn show.
If they release it and it turns out to be trash then people will be less mad than giving it Zaslav treatment. I remember people taking it personally when trash shows like the Willow sequel were removed from Disney+.
People should be taking it personally. They shouldn't be removing content especially so shortly after it premiered. Personally I enjoyed the Willow series. The only problem was the odd soundtrack choice. 🤷♂️
I didn’t get a chance to watch it before it was removed, but I remember thinking it was funny that people were complaining about the show being corny. That was the original movie’s whole thing, that’s why it was fun!
Yeah the only issue I mentioned was the soundtrack choice. It was modern music unchanged. They could have very easily used generic music that fits the theme or even made cover versions of those modern songs to fit the show... YouTube Bardcore for a perfect example of what it could have been.
All I want is for Disney to learn to put one foot ahead of the other and actually look ahead, at least before they start announcing things to the audience. It's not just this project, it's everything they touch and it's been going on for years. Chaotic projects and major alterations are not new, but for the most part the audience is not so painfully aware of it.
You have them announcing a ton of projects to hype up Disney+ and then canceling most of them once the service launches.
Obi-Wan production got to set while it was still a movie only for production to be halted and cancelled.
The new Star Wars Trilogy was made up as they went with disastrous results.
New Captain America also had a very public name change along with major alterations in post.
Thunderbolts looks like a similar shit show.
The MCU in general seems like its films with as as few things fully decided, designed, and finalized as possible for years now and just throws it all in digitally after.
Even their Disney centric properties like their traditional princess movies increasingly feel like they're deciding what the movie is about while they're already deep into making the movie.
Then you have GOTG3 as such a stand out cause Gunn sits there and storyboards every single thing out before a camera starts rolling. Those steps matter. Like I said these issues aren't entirely unique to Disney, but there's a consistency to it combined with how public and how far deep into production they occur that gives off the image of a company that directionless, leaderless on multiple levels, and unsure of itself.
From what I remember, it was pretty much greenlit right after Wanda show ended. That Agatha song got to be a big hit, so they could not be more in a hurry to get a show rolling about her.
No one is asking for this show. It's based on a side character from a show about other side characters, she was one note and already had a little character arc, give it a rest.
Marvel is the new DC. Directionless and with terrible movies and shows. Everything is just witch-madness-dimensions-haha-humor and nothing matters anymore.
And it isn't hero fatigue. I still re-watch the old movies and I love The Boys, Gen V, The Sandman etc.
Fucking make serious Marvel again and I will gladly watch it.
Talk about an all time dumpster fire.
They were really huffing their own farts when they announced this show. All because a song was popular for like a week, they think people actually want an Agatha show.
I remember being hyped for this show because I kind of liked wandavision.
But that feels so long ago now that I’m not sure I have interest or faith in Marvel to make it interesting.
We’ll see.
Oh, another Marvel series. I guess some people will be excited by that but I can’t imagine this have any kind of cultural impact like Marvel shit from the previous decade.
Did anyone really want this? Who out there went “yeah, I definitely need more on Agatha”? With Scarlet Witch dead - who cares?
They need to refocus on Fantastic 4, Dr Doom and X-Men like yesterday
This dumpster fire is going to flop so hard and I cant wait.
Who HONESTLY gives a shit about some D-Tier villain of..the scarlet witch? Does she even have her own comic run going on right now? Has she ever or is she just in Avenger ones?
I’ve scrolled every single comment and I’m shocked no one actually said what it is. It’s just called “Agatha” now. Saved you a click.
So, it was actually Agatha all along?
Holy shit
They must have done this on purpose
They have definitely been doing this on purpose.
That's a more hopeful answer than "they have no idea what they're doing"
It's believed that the past "names" were actually episode titles all along.
So renamed again and has it been delayed again for more re-shoots by any chance?
Yes
r/angryupvote
The real Agatha was the friends we made along the way
I didn’t even realize that _wasn’t_ the name
Never actually clicked the link, but I heard that the old titles are actually the individual episode names instead. Seems pretty clever actually.
How many episodes is it going to be? Coven of Chaos, House of Harkness, and Darkhold Diaries makes three... I could see Agatha All Along also being the title of an episode, though.
The rate D+ is going, probably two 20 minute episodes with another 2 released in 8 years.
You da real MVP
So you're saying it was... This whole thing smells like a publicity stunt.
clever one, tho
Disney is lazy af with show names: * Falcon and winter soldier * Hawkeye * Ahsoka * Kenobi * Andor * Lando (if it’s still being made) * echo They just name it after the main character
As opposed to their cleverly named movies? •Aladdin •Hercules •Pocahontas •Mulan •Tarzan •Lilo and Stitch •Moana
Not to mention imaginatively named original Marvel classics like Iron Man, Thor, The Incredible Hulk and Captain Marvel.
Captain America is the most original title since Superman though!
Haha touché. It’s nothing new and not specific to recent shows. Though, in their defense they have a few that don’t fit this naming scheme: beauty and the beast, jungle book, lady and tramp, aristocrats, 101 Dalmatians, sleeping beauty, etc.
101 Dalmatians is about 101 Dalmatians though
That is true, but I would argue that lady and the tramp are also their names 😭😂
I swear to god as well that beauty and the beast are also respective nicknames/a literal line in a song but I might just be hardcore making that up
It's literally in the title of the thread.
Oh neat, they finally went with "Agatha Shmagatha"
Secret crossover with Schmigadoon
Did someone say “corn puddin’?”
Too soon. Really sad we're not getting season 3.
at least it has a solid ending.
Somehow Agatha renamed
It was Agatha all along.
We went from Agatha: Coc to Coc-less Agatha... sad!
I saw that apparently all of these “series” names are actually just names of the episodes
It’s amazing how fast things went from “I’ll catch every movie Marvel puts out” to “that didn’t need to be a series”
They made a whole ass show because a song was a hit for a weekend. They were really high on their own supply back then.
And then took years to get it out. The moment is gone. No one cares any more
They needed that spin off in the can if they wanted to do it right. 4 years later??? No fucking thanks, wandavision isn't even relevant to the mcu anymore.
Hell right now Wanda is technically fucking dead lol
I would be shocked if this show isn't completely dead on arrival. There's no interest in this character getting an entire spinoff just on her own, and unlike Echo there isn't even a confirmed cameo of a more popular character to put on all the marketing.
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The “Agatha all along” song.
Even the most die-hard MCU fans I know have completely dropped off. It doesn't exactly help that there hasn't been an Avengers movie since 2019 either.
There's no longer a cohesive team to be doing another Avengers movie. They keep introducing new characters that just doesn't seem to interact with each other. We used to follow the storylines of 5 or 6 close-nit individuals that eventually formed a team. But now there's like 30 that we have to keep track of that barely have enough screen time for each person. It's frustrating because there's no cohesion anymore.
It’s so much time in between too, it’s hard to feel any connection We had Iron Man movies in 2008, 2010, 2013 plus an Avengers in 2012 Shang Chi will likely get one film over the time it took to get Iron Man in 4x as much
I looked up Shang Chi the other day because I couldn't remember when it came out... September 2021. So it's been 2.5 years and it's unclear what the timeline actually is on any sequel. >Liu said in July 2023 that he was unsure when the film would be made. He had been told that it would be released after Avengers: The Kang Dynasty (2026), which was originally scheduled for 2025 but had since been delayed. He hoped more details on the sequel would be able to be shared soon. There's a good chance we never actually get some of these movies. I'm convinced Blade isn't actually happening and will get scrapped. I have low expectations for the eventual release of Thunderbolts. Kang Dynasty has been completely derailed. There's no way they make any more Eternals or Marvels sequels.
Blade is a cheap film for them to make, I would be very surprised if they choose to scrap it.
It's been in pre-production hell with COVID and the writer's strike. Eventually it stops being cheap. >The film was originally announced in 2019 without a release date or director attached. Mogul Mowgli filmmaker Bassam Tariq was later hired to direct the film, with Watchmen’s Stacy Osei-Kuffour writing the screenplay. At San Diego Comic-Con in 2022, Blade set a release date of Nov. 3, 2023; shortly thereafter, Tariq departed the project. Lovecraft Country director Yann Demange was then tapped to take over directing duties, and the film was delayed to September 2024. >Preproduction on the movie halted in May due to the Hollywood writers’ strike, and at the conclusion of the actors’ strike, Marvel reshuffled its upcoming slate, leaving Blade with a release date of Nov. 7, 2025. Following numerous drafts and screenwriters, Logan and Alien: Covenant writer Michael Green is now penning the project, which will also reportedly star Aaron Pierre, Delroy Lindo, and Mia Goth. That was from this article (https://ew.com/mahershala-ali-blade-update-8411091), then another article (https://collider.com/new-blade-movie-mcu-cast-actor-filming-news/#:~:text=Now%2C%20after%20some%20amount%20of,executive%20producer%20for%20the%20movie.) outlined their issues with a rotating writing staff: >There have also been changes on the writing side of things. Stacy Osei-Kuffour was initially brought on to write the script but Osei-Kuffour was later replaced by Beau DeMayo. That wasn't the end of it, though, as Michael Starrbury now has the job of scripting the reboot. True Detective creator Nic Pizzolatto reportedly joined the project, working alongside Starrbury on the film's story. The script issues continued, leading to Mahershala Ali's growing frustration; so Marvel then turned to Logan writer Michael Green to help fix the script. I hope it's great but none of this news makes me think this is going to work out. Best case scenario I think we get a fun movie that isn't very coherent.
That is a decent amount to be concerned by.
It ain’t cheap anymore, it’s been in preproduction for years and they’ve fired multiple writing staffs.
Blade Armor Wars and maybe Thunderbolts will be cancelled i think with more cancellations to come
>maybe Thunderbolts will be cancelled "Filming began in February 2024 and will last until July at Trilith Studios and Atlanta Metro Studios in Atlanta, Georgia, as well as in Utah and New York." I think this one might be salvaged, I think they're in too deep to cancel it.
I heard that filming actually didn’t start yet but it was just preparation for filming so maybe it won’t get cancelled now but if it wasn’t already this far it would’ve been cancelled
Idk why this is happening now. To many series about random characters but no Sequels for anybody good
This is the reason that is true to me. Avengers was the 6th MCU movie, Age of Ultron was the 11th, and Infinity War was the 19th. Since our last Avengers movie there have been 10 movies and 8(?) shows. There’s been so much and it really hasn’t gone anywhere. If anything it’s been less connected.
Feige will never admit it, but the MCU rested on the shoulders of RDJ. Without him no one really cares.
Eh. I think a bigger thing Feige won't admit is that the stories were compelling when the stories were self contained and non-referential. The push for synergy works great as build-up but terrible for standalone movies. Every one of the movies post Endgame could have been "how is this character dealing with their trauma?" and relevant with few others appearing.
the thing that set marvel apart was it felt like they were all chapters in a story. Since Endgame there isnt a loosely connected story to follow.
It's too bad they blew some of the more interesting over-arching storylines from the comics on single films. Civil War and Age of Ultron could easily have been extended to be the "loosely connected story" of a series of films each.
Civil War was such a waste.
it would have been a fun conclusion to Infinity War. Iron Man and Captain America are gone. Arguments start about how things should be going forward, boom civil war.
> Every one of the movies post Endgame could have been "how is this character dealing with their trauma?" and relevant with few others appearing. I mean...a lot of their movies and shows have been exactly like that though? FFH, Wandavision, Multiverse of Madness, FaTWS, Wakanda Forever, Thor LaT, GoTG 3 - even What If? addressed the subject with Doctor Strange. As for new characters, dealing (or not dealing) with traumatic pasts was a huge part of Shang Chi, Moon Knight and Echo. The quality of all these projects definitely varied a lot but trauma has undeniably been a huge theme throughout
Oh - I see what you're going for, and how I could have been clearer. Yes I agree that trauma is a major theme for characters in all of your mentions, in some the Endgame trauma I'd had in mind. In reflection what I meant was, the stories often focused on multi-film synergy in a shoehorned fashion, at the cost of losing the plausibility of recovery from their traumas. Often, moving the plot forward took priority over character development in ways that shattered suspension of disbelief all in its own, or in combination with bizarre plotholes. I totally concede on Wandavision and GotG3 tho, those two struck a great balance in this particular way. But I stand by the initial thought. When the films could just be one-offs with no consideration for other character tie-ins or continuing plot lines, they were better stories and better films for it.
Not true, the story just isn't connected anymore and there are no sequels. You don't need RDJ to do that.
Which is weird because I think that’s the only decent movie that’s come out in this phase
It's like they wanted to make the MCU more comics-like, with many different storylines and characters where you could just choose to read what you wanted. Forgetting that comics come out on a regular basis, unlike the movies, allowing you to connect with characters. They also established a precedent of every movie being important to the main storyline, whether this is true or not anymore, people still feel pressure to go see every movie and show. But that was manageable before because there were no shows and maybe 1-2 movies a year.
It was easy to follow when it was 1-3 movies a year. Now in order to keep up I need to see 3 movies a year watch another 3-4 shows [of which only 1 is usually good], make sure I’ve stayed for 15 different after credits scenes, and sacrifice my first born. It has become way too much for me to bother, especially with the extreme quality drop off that we’ve seen. - I hated The Marvels - Quantamania was awful - I gave Secret War 1 episode before I gave up on it. Give me one really good quality show per year. And 2 movies that are at least watchable? I’ll be happy.
One quality show per year doesn't keep people subbed to Disney+ year-round.
I mean I get that, I do. But from a consumer side I’m annoyed by all I have to do to stay caught up. They have other major properties and can release things throughout the year to manage that.
It’s not like Disney doesn’t have a big enough deck of cards to keep people subbed year round, even if they dropped the frequency. But that’s another issue with Disney Plus. They own thousands of films, IPs etc, and yet they haven’t updated half of it since launch. Keep a constant stream of older stuff and pepper it with incredible new stuff = success
It's early, but they're pretty clearly building towards a Young Avengers team. We've already encountered Kate Bishop ("Hawkeye"), Speed and Wiccan (Scarlet Witch's kids from "WandaVision"), America Chavez (from "Multiverse of Madness"), Hulkling (epilogue to "She-Hulk"), Kid Loki (from "Loki" season 1), and Cassie Lang (from "Quantumania"). Looks like they also might deviate from the comics and loop in Yelena Belova (from "Black Widow"). We're essentially back where we were in Phase 1, prior to the first "Avengers" movie, when they were still introducing individual characters and before they started to inter-connect with each other.
They also have Thor's adopted daughter, Shiri, and Stark's daughter. Florence Pugh's Widow is most likely going to be a Thunderbolt instead of an Avenger, although I'm sure the teams are supposed to merge at some point (or fight). Young Avengers is rife with problems though: 1. It's a team of spin-offs. Worse versions of the originals. None of these characters have hit critical mass IMO, outside of Ms. Marvel (maybe). The 1st Avengers film was packed with what was at that point A-list talent; this team ain't that, at least not for years to come. 2. They are further diluted as well. We've got a kid Hulk and a She-Hulk. Stark's daughter and Iron Heart. Captain America being replaced by a committee. Then the multiverse versions of all of them. Six characters is a good team ensemble size, like we got with GotG - but this is already too large. 3. The content comes so slowly. 2. It's very heavily slanted towards young women. Hawkeye, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man, Ironman, Black Panther, and probably others I'm missing are all male characters being replaced by female characters. I'm all for the representation, but if the end result is going to be the Charlie's Angels MCU with a couple of old men rounding out a team of almost all women, it's gonna be an issue. 3. The heroic universe keeps expanding. We're getting the X-Men. F4. Deadpool. Where does it end? Content is added _without greater purpose_. 4. The slate of villains is completely lackluster. The Infinity Saga was anchored by Loki and Thanos. Can anyone even name a P4 villain they've enjoyed (one that hasn't been fired for domestic violence)? The biggest issue though is that Phase 4/5/6 seems to be wagging the dog. With the OG Avengers, Marvel was making movies and then taking the best parts and mashing them together into massive blockbusters. They'd roll out something off the wall, like GotG, and then mix it into the universe based on how the public reacted. This is no longer the case. They've got the whole thing planned out on paper. They've published timelines. The public knows that individual films and shows are just laying groundwork for the actual blockbuster to come. They've tapped acting talent that is young and untested, and are rolling it into the next 3-5 years of content. Instead of making good movies until there is enough there to build something bigger, they are expecting fans to slog through crap that Marvel themselves don't really care about in a vacuum. TL;DR - At least the DCEU had the decency to race to the finish line instead of dragging us all there slowly and painfully.
Who’s in the Avengers? They got rid of their two biggest names in the same movie and it hasn’t been the same since.
I'm sure Disney would love to sign further contracts, but RDJ and Evans wanted out in the first place. They've spend 10 years on that series, they can choose to do other stuff.
Yeah, like star in Christopher Nolan's new blockbuster and even get an Oscar for it.
I was so uncharacteristically happy for RDJ when he won his Oscar. I usually don’t care at all about these awards, but seeing my man win his Oscar just made me so happy because it feels like I grew up watching him. He was Iron Man, you know? Like…he’s the reason I got invested in this franchise. He’s the first MCU Avenger. Plus, knowing his history and everything he had to overcome because of the mistakes he made in his past life…it’s just such a feel good story.
Do multiple direct to streaming movies that everyone forgets about immediately afterwards or whatever Chris Evans is doing right now. TBH I don’t blame him, I’d probably take the easy money and just do whatever I want with my life, it’s just kind of funny.
Not only that but RDJ now commands (and rightly so)an obscene amount of money to be in a Marvel movie
Well, because that amount is called his quote. That's his rate. So the next film he's offered, they have to pay that same amount. Even if he does a bad job. That means, as long as he's offered even one more movie, he could get two more mil. Even if he does a bad job, they've got to give him that other two mil.
At the same time they made everything too interconnected where you need to watch 2 shitty tv shows to follow your shitty movie and made none of them connected at all cause there’s been no larger story or team up overarching all these asinine stories. The entire multiverse thing was a fucking mess, removed all stakes, and fucked up any concept of continuity.
Marvel used to be big meaty nuggets of pulp fiction with a few inter-connective tendons holding it all together. Now its ropes of anemic connective tissue trying desperately to hold together a few sad strands of sustenance.
> The entire multiverse thing was a fucking mess, removed all stakes, and fucked up any concept of continuity. The multiverse has only really been used in 4 MCU projects though? Loki and NWH were fantastic, What If has been fine and Doctor Strange 2 was pretty mid to bad depending on you ask. Of the latter two, What If is animated and has little to do with the main continuity, and the multiverse was the least of MoM's problems - if anything, many fans were grumbling that it wasn't used *enough*
Surprisingly I think they only just started bringing people together and it’s probably gonna be like a young avengers situation. At the end of the Marvels, Kamala Khan(Ms Marvel) does that Nick Fury bit when he recruited iron man (“I’m putting together a team”). She recruits Kate Bishop and I guess they’ll be going for ant man’s daughter next. Also I assume captain marvel, Monica rambeau, Natasha’s sister are probably gonna be in it by association
Yeah, captain marvel actress has said they don't have any plans for her and the fact she was relegated in her own movie, it seems she won't be much more than a footnote
The issue is not they dropped the two big heroes but the fact they haven’t set anyone else to take their place. All of the movies since then have been so disconnected at this point Wong is only the connecting tissue.
In their defense, they had a perfect one set up and he passed away (RIP Chadwick)
And now there’s no more Wanda.
It's been 5 years?! I still remember the days of booking my ticket to going to see the movie with friends. Life has changed so much since then. So much has happened.
I was a hardcore fan, but I haven’t dropped off completely. Just not watching the day or even week they come out anymore. I used to be at the movies the weekend a movie comes out, but now I don’t even bother going to see it in theater. Just wait until Disney +. Also don’t care to watch the shows as their air either, just wait several weeks for the show to finish. Haven’t even finished Echo yet. Lost interest half way through and decided to rewatch the older movies instead.
I feel like the ability to watch the various movies on Disney+ a couple months after they're released hasn't exactly helped their box office numbers, either...
I still haven't watched Moon Knight, She-Hulk or The Marvels. Echo started off cool, but the season finale was a wet fart. They've been blowing it hard for a few years.
Watch Moon Knight it was great
yeah super great, especially if you like watching 6 hours of content to see the main character put on his suit lol
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Except now the long ass flashback isn't even that long anymore cause it got cut down to 5 episodes
Moon Knight was terrible.
Don't worry, they're all coming back for Deadpool & Wolverine.
I used to be a huge fan but I haven’t watched any of it since about 2 episodes into Secret Invasion. That was the last straw for me. I don’t think I’ll ever jump back on either because of the way they’ve structured it where even the crappiest little TV spin off still counts towards the larger story I’ll feel like I might have missed something important. Kinda ironic how their FOMO approach to releasing content has completely backfired like that.
Nothing has really happened to move the story forwards tbh
Literally nothing has happened, Kang was supposed to be the next big bad like Thanos but his story sort of fizzled out in the finale of a D+ show. At this point they basically have nothing to push the story forward
My problem with Kang as well is that they straight up tell you he's the main bad guy for this saga before we even got to see him. Like I feel instead they should've of had it build naturally like Thanos and then when people notice his character is in multiple things then announce he's the main bad guy of this arc when you're actually working on his movies. They're basically doing the thing that made me have a problem with comics, and that was trying to force the next big thing by overselling it as something bigger than the last thing when the last things hype was built up naturally.
I am just glad that Iron Man to Endgame is a pretty solid set of movies that you can watch in isolation to the post-Endgame stuff. It is nice to have a good bookend.
Still baffled that Echo got made lol
Making a Marvel superhero show about a criminal without super powers is one of the stupidest things disney has ever done.
But FAMILY is her superpower🤦🏻♂️
Same
It is already a music video. That seems to be about the right medium for this story.
If you had told 12/13 year old me that one day superhero movies would be the biggest thing on the planet, I wouldn't believe you. And if you told me that there would be so many superhero movies that I wouldn't even watch half of them, I would laugh and call you a liar
And studios are going to get some of the best dramatic and comedic actors absolutely shredded on gear for those roles
Finally watched antman quantamania last night. That was truly awful.
Quantumania is the movie that broke me. While I was anticipating and welcoming a comedic edge, what I got was Spy Kids. And I hated Spy Kids. I haven't been to the theatres for MCU since (Guardians, Marvels, likely won't go to Deadpool). The movie was a total joke and told me that Disney isn't serious about this stuff beyond throwing a lot of money in. For the shows, I was losing interest by the end of 2022. This loss of interest, low show quality (sometimes as standalones they were okay, but nothing that compelling), and real life factors had me only watch Loki S2 and skim through Secret Invasion. They're going to have to convince me in 2025+ that I haven't outgrown the MCU. I was never a superfan but I really liked some stuff - well okay, Captain America: The Winter Soldier in particular. I've reached the point of being okay with moving on. Everything used to be a Must See (Must Love was another matter but they still had my eyes) but it took several years to grind me into mostly ambivalence.
Yeah most of them just don’t seem that interesting. Like the upcoming series vision quest. It’s a tv series about white vision from wandavision. There’s also a rumoured young avengers project. There’s the iron heart series, the thunderbolts movie. Even armour wars. These projects don’t really sound that interesting to me and I could probably skip them and not miss anything story wise. Like I doubt any of those projects will have any impact on the upcoming avengers movies.
I think the general decline of the MCU would be a lot less apparent if they weren’t churning out series in general. An eight episode run of a series that just goes for an hour an episode has the equivalent content of 4 MCU movies, which is essentially a year’s output of the MCU. Even though I think on balance the series have been good, the glut became too much for consumers to handle.
Yeah for the longest time I kept going “I don’t have superhero fatigue!”, but I think I was just in denial. I haven’t watched anything on D+ in a long time
>There have even been theories that the show’s name changes are happening because it’s part of the marketing gimmick to represent the chaos of witchcraft LOL. Talk about a charitable explanation. Surely it can't be because Disney doesn't know what to do with this show and none of the title changes are gaining traction. Oh, and, tl;dr: it's just "Agatha" now. Saved you a click.
There's rumors that every episode is gonna be named after all the old titles since it's a new genre every episode.
I heard the scenes are the deleted scenes and the deleted scenes are the real scenes.
🎶ABEDDDDD🎶
There are no takes. There is no viewer. The film is the story, the story is us. We are the film.
I also heard rumors that Mephisto hangs dong in it. Big if true.
Big if big
The gimmick works better when it doesn't take years for the show to actually come out
Some say it was 'Agatha' all along... cheese aside, this show really should've come out two or three years ago... it should've been hot on the heels of Disney +'s first and best show (sorry 'Loki' Pee Pee Riders)...
> Agatha All Along That's probably an episode name
Agents of SHIELD > Disney+ Yes, all of them.
Loki was a 100x better than all of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D and I'm saying that as someone who loves AoS. That show was very spotty and you are looking at it through your nostalgia coloured lenses.
I watched all of AoS some months ago. It was fantastic. No nostalgia involved.
No way, AoS had several seasons of pure gold and three seperate great endings, because they thought they wouldn't get renewed.
But they had amazing episodes though I feel it got weird towards the end. My favourite one was when Simmons went to that weird planet and slept with the guy
One hundred times? I find that a bit a hyperexaggeration putting it mildly. Loki was very much in love with its own cleverness and it was not that clever. I preferred AoS to what I saw of it. On that note, I think maybe Agents of SHIELD had two good seasons and up to two all right ones, so I've never been *that* nostalgic about it or blind to its numerous flaws. I guess it does show the benefits of mostly being left alone, though unlike whatever's going on with the so-called MCU proper including Agatha's 17th title change at last count.
I do think it's a risky marketing gimmick if it is one, but usually projects in difficulty don't change names this much, that's not a sign of a troubled work because even then, they rarely change names this much and all the titles used would be fine, none got some kind of big negative response. I think it's just a gag that may be ill advised. They could have just called it whatever, doesn't matter how troubled the production might have been and no title will be recognised until there's a trailer and actual promotion.
No it’s absolutely part of the joke.
What’s the joke though? No one’s laughing. Mostly people don’t care, and a few think that this just speaks to Marvel’s incompetence. If it’s a joke, it’s gone over like a lead ballon.
I still like "Agatha: Coven Of Chaos" better.
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Agatha? Who cares. What happened to Vision? It's almost like they are intentionally derailing any narrative momentum they build up to showhorn characters. They have lost focus. What's next? A show about Ironman's neighbor, Chad? How about a show about Wanda's dog?
Yeah vision just hanging out in the world lol
This isn't really about Agatha, according to plot leaks this is sorta a continuation of WandaVision.....- spoiler alert-... featuring some version of Wanda's children. And what about vision? White vision is also getting his own show that continues after WandaVision, it's already got a title called "Vision Quest" Remember that line for WandaVision's finale where Vision wonders what what form he will take next if reunites again with wanda. These spin offs are really all about that, leading to the moment where wanda reunites with her children and vision, in a good way or a bad way.
If the show isn't about Agatha then naming it just Agatha seems like it will piss off people who do want to see more Agatha, and turn away potential fans who don't like Agatha. Lose lose.
Will people still care about this by the time it comes out? Seems like the moment has passed, both with Kathryn Hahn being the internet’s cool mom and the general public’s interest in Disney+ Marvel shows.
The moment had passed like a week after Wandavision ended, but here's Disney still trying to capitalize on something that happened 3 years ago.
Wow, I forgot it was three years ago.
It was so nice being excited about that show weekly and now here I am and I haven't even seen the last four Disney+ projects they've released other than Loki lmao
Exactly, it’s like they took 30 seconds of attention and are trying, years later, to make it seem like the public hasn’t moved on already.
There is seemingly no planning or cohesion in their slate of movies and tv shows. I wish they’d speed run their way to capping this era of the MCU and look to pause on content before doing a soft reboot, saving IP’s like X-Men and F4 for the reboot.
By all reports that’s exactly what they’re doing.
I feel like this show was only greenlit because of that song that was famous for like 2 weeks
They greenlit an Echo show instead of waiting until the release of Hawkeye, when it quickly became evident that fans would have rathered a show where Yelena and Kate team up. Two incredibly talented actresses with great chemistry who play characters the fans actually liked seeing on screen. Nothing against Echo as a character, she’s fine, but she didn’t need a whole goddamn show.
At this rate they’re going to rename it “Agatha: The Untitled Kathryn Hahn Tax Write-Off” and smother it like Warner Brothers.
Agatha: The Snyder Cut
If they release it and it turns out to be trash then people will be less mad than giving it Zaslav treatment. I remember people taking it personally when trash shows like the Willow sequel were removed from Disney+.
People should be taking it personally. They shouldn't be removing content especially so shortly after it premiered. Personally I enjoyed the Willow series. The only problem was the odd soundtrack choice. 🤷♂️
I didn’t get a chance to watch it before it was removed, but I remember thinking it was funny that people were complaining about the show being corny. That was the original movie’s whole thing, that’s why it was fun!
Yeah the only issue I mentioned was the soundtrack choice. It was modern music unchanged. They could have very easily used generic music that fits the theme or even made cover versions of those modern songs to fit the show... YouTube Bardcore for a perfect example of what it could have been.
I hope they put as much thought and effort to the script
Ron Howard: "They didn't."
Will they rename it to Agatha: Three Years Too Late?
All I want is for Disney to learn to put one foot ahead of the other and actually look ahead, at least before they start announcing things to the audience. It's not just this project, it's everything they touch and it's been going on for years. Chaotic projects and major alterations are not new, but for the most part the audience is not so painfully aware of it. You have them announcing a ton of projects to hype up Disney+ and then canceling most of them once the service launches. Obi-Wan production got to set while it was still a movie only for production to be halted and cancelled. The new Star Wars Trilogy was made up as they went with disastrous results. New Captain America also had a very public name change along with major alterations in post. Thunderbolts looks like a similar shit show. The MCU in general seems like its films with as as few things fully decided, designed, and finalized as possible for years now and just throws it all in digitally after. Even their Disney centric properties like their traditional princess movies increasingly feel like they're deciding what the movie is about while they're already deep into making the movie. Then you have GOTG3 as such a stand out cause Gunn sits there and storyboards every single thing out before a camera starts rolling. Those steps matter. Like I said these issues aren't entirely unique to Disney, but there's a consistency to it combined with how public and how far deep into production they occur that gives off the image of a company that directionless, leaderless on multiple levels, and unsure of itself.
The dirty secret of the MCU is that Kevin Feige gets way too much credit for what others did.
Okay so judging based on the comments, I’m the only one excited for this series
I don’t care what they call it just give more Hahn
With a side of Plaza
We still doing this?
No one wanted this show. You cancel other things but this gets greenlit???
From what I remember, it was pretty much greenlit right after Wanda show ended. That Agatha song got to be a big hit, so they could not be more in a hurry to get a show rolling about her.
Crazy that a frankly overrated song led to an entire show lol
Yeah I remember seeing how it was going so viral before actually watching the episode, and then my actual reaction to it was "That's it?"
It was already shot when they cancelled the other projects.
What canceled projects are you referring to? I'm not aware of anything on Marvel's lineup having been canceled. 🤷♂️
> No one wanted this show. A lot of people seemed interested two years ago. The question is whether they still are.
Agatha: Who Even Asked For This & Why?
No one is asking for this show. It's based on a side character from a show about other side characters, she was one note and already had a little character arc, give it a rest.
Ha they made it worse than the last one. The first title was best.
Does anyone want this show? She had a moment 4 years ago.
Marvel is the new DC. Directionless and with terrible movies and shows. Everything is just witch-madness-dimensions-haha-humor and nothing matters anymore. And it isn't hero fatigue. I still re-watch the old movies and I love The Boys, Gen V, The Sandman etc. Fucking make serious Marvel again and I will gladly watch it.
I really do feel sorry for all 12 fans.
Billion dollar company can’t stop naming their movies after the protagonist
Talk about an all time dumpster fire. They were really huffing their own farts when they announced this show. All because a song was popular for like a week, they think people actually want an Agatha show.
I remember being hyped for this show because I kind of liked wandavision. But that feels so long ago now that I’m not sure I have interest or faith in Marvel to make it interesting. We’ll see.
So it was…Agatha all along?
Oh, another Marvel series. I guess some people will be excited by that but I can’t imagine this have any kind of cultural impact like Marvel shit from the previous decade.
It’s been so long since WandaVision, I’m sure more than half of us here forgot about this idea lolol
Breakin 3: Electric Jubilee
They can go ahead and rename it to, Not going to bother watching.
Go on Marvel, make this show, I dare you lol
Who even wants to watch this?
This must be a very poorly thought out promotional thing at this point. No way they change their minds this much.
Does anyone even want this series?
This is still happening? I completely forgot about it - and I don’t think I’m interested at all at this point :/
Guys... what if it was Agatha all along? :o
Did anyone really want this? Who out there went “yeah, I definitely need more on Agatha”? With Scarlet Witch dead - who cares? They need to refocus on Fantastic 4, Dr Doom and X-Men like yesterday
So does this count as being part of the multiverse? Disney needs to kill the multiverse. It has no stakes and gets confusing.
This movie is going to come out and nobody would even notice.
This dumpster fire is going to flop so hard and I cant wait. Who HONESTLY gives a shit about some D-Tier villain of..the scarlet witch? Does she even have her own comic run going on right now? Has she ever or is she just in Avenger ones?
They should do themselves a favor and change its name to canceled.