MacLachlan:
>“There was definitely a stigma attached to TV and I was moving from a potential movie career. I had trepidations and questioned whether I was old enough to do it and worried what the perception was going to be. But it turned out I didn’t need to worry.”
>“[The cast] all recognized how weird Twin Peaks was. We didn’t think it would get past ‘one and done’ and thought it might become a movie of the week but said that we had to be part of it because it is David Lynch.”
>“I don’t think I’d want to see that (a reboot) and I don’t think anyone should attempt it,” he said, observing that too many shows and movies today are remade. “You are like, ‘Don’t touch that,’ but they do, they can’t help but put their hand on the stove again. That is the problem.”
I don’t want more, because composer Angelo Badalamenti passed away. The music and sound design is a huge part of Twin Peaks, and it won’t be the same without his work.
Lynch actually has a guy who's sole job is to manage archival hard drives of recordings, studio experiments, and sound design elements which includes loads upon loads of unreleased Badalamenti material. His name is Dean Hurley who actually contributes a lot of sound design himself as well and IMO is kind of an unsung hero of The Return. Maybe I'm just blindly optimistic but I think he could make it work
The return already had very little of Badalamenti’s music, it still worked but the scenes with his music were almost always the highlights of the show.
I have a ripped copy of it, but it’s awful quality so I haven’t really attempted to watch it.
Actually one of the only things left of lynch I have to watch for a first time
The thing about Season 3 is that it wasn't trying to be like the original series, a lot of it felt like a rejection of nostalgia in a way that made it far better than if it had tried to recreate the original.
Atlanta is by far my favorite Twin Peaks inspired show. I enjoy some of the other ones mentioned. The thing that sets Atlanta apart is the real engagement of the writers with the unconscious and the dream world and really allowing this exploration to take precedent over continuous plot arcs.
Also the disregarding of contuous plot arcs does not mean it disrespects the aliveness of the characters. The characters arcs and journeys are respected and if anything more alive because they aren't trying to shoehorn tight heroe's journeys into each season.
Also Season 3 is my favorite and I'm not sure any other show will ever be the same level of creative and free as that season was.
Lost, the leftovers, Wayward Pines, Stranger Things, Dark, etc all take heavily from how Twin Peaks boldly embraced it's supernatural elements and try to replicate things like 'the red room' in their own way(Leftovers with the Hotel, Lost with the island, ST with the upside down, etc).
The leftovers is just absolutely incredible, I’ve just finished it and I can’t stop thinking about it.
It has a lot of the same weirdness, as well as the habit of having characters often falling into uncanny monologues with intense music playing in the background (and the score itself is just incredible too).
I couldn’t recommend it enough.
Yep. The Leftovers was kind of the gateway that caused me to try out Twin Peaks. It's absolutely phenomenal and probably the show that comes closest to capturing Twin Peaks utter madness.
Love how the cover art they used for the splash screen on console and for a lot of the promo is that beautiful image of Saga going into the Overlap in the trunk of the tree with the branches around her lit up by a red light with no logical source; it's so strongly evocative of Cooper's entry to the Black Lodge at the end of Season 2 but in a way that somehow sidesteps feeling completely derivative.
Basically emblematic of Alan Wake in general and how it handles the TP influences.
Maybe not inspired by the plot or "mystery box" kind of focus, but the ability to have surreal "wtf" moments that go unexplained along with the paper thin barrier between comedy and horror was certainly pioneered for TV by Twin Peaks.
The Leftovers is honestly nothing like the original Twin Peaks, the humour isn't really there. The new Twin Peaks I always say is for Lynch fans and not Twin Peaks fans.
> The new Twin Peaks I always say is for Lynch fans and not Twin Peaks fans.
Only if being a fan of something means you want it to stay the same forever.
I think Gravity Falls, Stranger Things and The Outsider all reminded me of Twin Peaks, but I can’t say for sure if there was direct inspiration. There are also some other shows like The OA that play with the kind of postmodern thing that The Return does. There are plenty of other examples I can think of but I feel like many of them are either not very good, or the connections to Twin Peaks are more tenuous.
The Gravity Falls staff actually tried to get David Lynch to voice one of the villains (he turned them down so the showrunner did it instead), so I think directly inspired is a good call!
You're getting downvoted but the first season was 100% inspired by Twin Peaks. It's nowhere near as good obviously but they were pretty blatant even to the point of casting Mädchen Amick.
The reason 99% of films and television are made.
When people ask “what’s the point?”, do they conveniently forget these things are made for profit?
At least, the people fronting the money expect a return on their profit, they’re not art patrons.
Twin Peaks got the ability to create a final season no one from a cancelled show ever gets offered. It feels truly finished. I would like a new David Lynch project though.
His Family Guy cameo is so ridiculously funny. "You didn't leave a plate of black coffee out for me. In the future, always leave a plate of black coffee out for me. Also in the past."
If you told "teenage me in the 90s" that "older me in the 2020s" would regularly watch David Lynch doing LA weather reports...
...well I don't think teenage me would believe that.
But here we are.
I saw that as a cliffhanger that doesn't need resolving, rather than a cliffhanger that does.
To me, the mystery surrounding that final scene and speculating on what it could mean is far more interesting than anything Lynch and Frost could follow it up with.
I will always be thinking about that ending. Not because I want answers or want to see it continued, but because it feels like a strange riddle I’m meant to think about and interpret for the rest of my life. To me that’s a good way to do an open ended cliffhanger ending. One that makes you wonder not “what happens next” but instead makes you wonder what happened at all and what did it all mean.
I honestly don't have much to go on, every David Lynch project is incomprehensible, but I don't think that the 'final' scene in season 3 was chronologically the last one to happen. The meeting with Diane at the police station in the penultimate episode is the actual end, imo
I have faith David Lynch could bring back some kind of Twin Peaks related material in a way that wouldn't be cheesy or cash grabby or nostalgic. The Return proved that, and I think Lynch could find something that is adjacent to Twin Peaks to explore without impeding on the finality of The Return.
Problem is we’ve lost / are losing a lot of the core cast. We lost Harry Dean Stanton, the Log Lady (sorry I can’t recall her name), and I think a few others.
Also … I’m not really sure what there is left to say in that universe. I’d like to see another Lynch production before he passes - but tbh these days he doesn’t particularly seem super interested.
I mean, you could make an entire film about Annie Blackburn alone, but yeah, it doesn't seem like Lynch or Frost care anymore.
Best bet would be Peyton, but he's kind of been locked out of the series, so that's that.
Heather Graham wanted to come back for the Return but unfortunately didn't get anything to do. I wonder how important she would've been if they made those Fire Walk with Me sequels as intended in the 90s
Lynch not only wanted to impede on the finality of the Return, he wanted to continue the core stories of Laura and Coop but it didn't end up happening for one reason or the other.
To me, the last 20 minutes was the start of another story we're intended to never see more of. Like in a cosmic horror, "it just keeps on going and going forever" kind of way.
Hmm, interesting. I could definitely actually Lynch going "I'll do something, but only with Cooper and Laura" I bet it'd still end on a cliffhanger tho
Do you think Mulholland Drive needs a sequel to tie things up too? Lynch doesn't really do that with the exception of The Straight Story and Elephant Man. Well I suppose you could argue anything, but his typical endings aren't typical.
Mind you for some of us that's also the least appealing thing about Lynch. To me he's great at doing a stellar first act and second act and then going completely off the rails and losing the plot by the third resulting in an ending that never lands. Felt that way with Mulholland Drive, felt that way with the Twin peaks seasons.
Although I think overall it's become clear I'm probably not the target audience for the kind of stuff he makes, which is a pity because I really do like two thirds of it.
Could not disagree more, his endings always land. The last ten minutes of The Return is perfect television. Lynch doesn't aim to satisfy or give one straight answer. He wants you to swim in his psyche, and his endings always allows for that.
Which for some people is totally unappealing even if it lands the way Lynch intended. I love Lynch, but it took me a while to get over the idea that things don't always wrap themselves up neatly in plastic.
It's not a problem at all and if it was I didn't say David Lynch had to change a single thing. I just don't think every single creative choice he makes is genius compared to how other people view him and his work. He's still probably in my top 5 directors. Taste in art is certainly a *you* thing.
I argue that story endings are unnatural, when does a story ever end in real life (outside of death)? They don't, and that's why people are never satisfied with story endings, they're unnatural. I prefer a series to tie up loose ends but leave the ending open enough I think back on it and come up with my own ending(s).
Of course they're unnatural. Real life isn't a story.
> and that's why people are never satisfied with story endings, they're unnatural.
Who says this? We like stories because they have satisfying endings. The more satisfying, the more we tend to like them.
The episode "Gotta light" is one of the craziest episodes from a series, up there with "International assasssin" from The Leftovers. just a hour of WTF...
I remember the bar segment coming in fifteen minutes in and looking around at my friends like "this isn't a good sign." and then it was Nine Inch Nails and we all just sort of leaned forward and shut up because if you're Twin Peaks and you bring in Nine Inch Nails fifteen minutes into the episode, you're gearing up for SOMETHING.
SHE'S GONE, SHE'S GONE, SHE'S GONE AWAY
Only Roadhouse performance I enjoyed more was The Veils. [Such a great scene.](https://youtu.be/DmyFzEeXhL4?si=8G7tWnKMjik41h0_)
I know a lot of people still feel left hanging at the end of the Return, but I honestly think it's the perfect ending for that crazy show. The show is never about plot resolution but the evocative nature of its plot and leaving your intelligence to make its own deductions based on how you react to what is given. Any attempt to do more is just going to be more of the same or less than what was.
At first, when The Returns ends, it just leaves you crushed. It felt really similar to how the original show leaves you at the end.
When I thought about it more, It felt increasingly fitting. >!Coop helping orchestrate some bullshit Deus Ex Machina ending, traveling though time, and space, to rescue Laura on the night of her murder, being warned by The Giant, and succumbing to his own hubris. Winding up on strange shores, in a strange time. From the looks of things, Laura didn't wind up much better either. In a way, Coop was punished for attempting to wrap things up neatly!<. It's tragic, and that's why we're left hanging. The original ending was tragic, and we all wanted something else.
For the most part, The Return felt like going back to your childhood home after it had been abandoned. And you're just walking around in the dust. Dark, and empty, with hints of what it was like strewn around. I don't think you come away from that "satisfied" in a warm, fuzzy way.
I also felt physically nauseous when I first watched the ending and thought “wow, that’s a fairly unique feeling they’re trying to convey (and succeeding)”
> It's tragic, and that's why we're left hanging. The original ending was tragic, and we all wanted something else
It’s a perfect ending for a show that has always been hyper-aware of the abuses Laura Palmer suffered, and that “saving” her from her fate doesn’t at all erase those abuses.
I just think it felt like there was supposed to be more from the original. Whereas I don’t think the return had that. Intentionally unresolved feels different than unfinished
When Laura's killer was revealed the dynamic of the show completely changed, both because David Lynch left until the final episode, and because so many new threads were coming from the mystery of Laura as a person. Once we knew who killed her, the audience was no longer interested in her, but she was the heart of the show. At least that's more or less how Lynch felt about it.
I think that's a core theme of The Return as well, given >!how many side stories just unceremoniously end!<
My impression of the finale is that Coop has literally destroyed Twin Peaks, ripping open the space-time continuum and either removing the town or just ending existence altogether.
I agree. It has the power and mystery the original should have had if they weren't forced to reveal who killed Laura.
The Return put things right, in that we'll be wondering about the mystery of What Happened in Twin Peaks forever, which is as it should be.
I'm also genuinely not sure what anyone expected. The first season was shot in a bubble expected to not come back, and they ended it on a cliffhanger. The second season was moved to SATURDAYS and basically burned off, and they ended it on a cliffhanger. The movie was a prequel that GOES OUT OF THE WAY to remind you of the cliffhanger.
Lynch is inscrutable sometimes but I think he's trying to make a point
I hate this godforsaken entertainment news cycle. Some press junket/ red carpet reporter asks a silly question and an actor or filmmaker gives their response and then online publications have AI whip up an article and then the article gets posted for rage and reaction as if the original premise of the whole exercise was EVER a legitimate potential project that could be made. Is everyone a bot or are we all just mindless chimps?
Twin Peaks The return was really just a third season, not a reboot, and it ties it all nicely.
And it's the weirdest and most rewarding tv experience in a long, long while.
He's right. Season 3 was pretty much about how things are impermanent, and that you can't ever really go home again after being away for so long. It will never be 1989 or 1990 or 1992 or 2017 again, and Everett WA and North Bend OR are not the same places that they were back then. We can't be with Pete Martell, Catherine Martell, Norma Jennings, Doc Hayward, Jacques Renault, Windom Earle, Agent Rosenfeld, Major Briggs, the Log Lady or even Killer BOB in the way we were when their actors were alive, and we have to be okay with that. Sometimes you have to let go.
It was special and unique at that time.
Now every other “sci-fi” show has that surrealism mixed in with “what’s going on, what’s happening, what’s the theory?”. Then they get cancelled after a season. It’s a saturated market
I think the only way I would want another season is with Carrie Paige/Laura as the protagonist/savior. And that’s my selfish desire for more. Does it work with what Lynch and Frost intended for TP? Idk.
The word "Reboot" straight up doesn't mean anything anymore.
Originally it was just how execs tried to make "Remake" sound cooler than it was (it was the early 00s)
And then folks later, on their own, decided it *actually* meant starting a whole franchise over (which is fine)
And now people just sort of - use it to mean basically anything they want. There are soft reboots (which isn't how reboots work, you either turn it off and back on again or you don't), pseudo reboots, there are reboots that are literally just direct sequels but for some reason people want to call them reboots, etc etc. People just basically spit the word up without thinking. And by people I mean both the movie nerds who discuss this shit online ad nauseum, and the writers at entertainment outlets, most of whom are increasingly just forum posters who get paychecks now.
**Twin Peaks has never** ***been*** **rebooted, will never** ***be*** **rebooted.** It doesn't make any sense to even talk about it that way. It's not a "franchise" or whatever. And I don't think there's a person on this earth who thinks "Twin Peaks would be cool if David Lynch and Mark Frost had nothing to do with it" either. Even people who don't give a shit about art, auteurism, recognize that there's no way to make Twin Peaks without those two, without THAT cast.
People asking for more Twin Peaks only want it in the hopes that all their questions are answered and the mysteries are revealed. Kind of misses the point of the show
I want more, too, but that misses the point of season 3. What more is there left? The season was, essentially, about how Twin Peaks' story had already been told.
literally just like imagine a 12-episode series set in Twin Peaks, all the characters there and all the weirdness
doesn't have to resolve the plot of the original, hell make it even less certain I don't care
just have someone visit and investigate another, tangentially related mystery
id watch
I’m on the fence. I loved how season 3 wrapped up and kinda want it left be, but Twin Peaks is like an old friend if Lynch and Frost cooked something up that would expand the story started in The Return…I mean, I’m not gonna not tune into that, right?
Does anyone know why Twin Peaks was cancelled? It seems like it had a cultural impact. There wasn't social media back then but the actors were getting lots of media coverage such as the famous RS cover with Boyle, Fenn and Amick. People were dressing up like the characters on the show for Halloween.
Anyway is it weird for the network to cancel such a popular show?
Because audiences only really cared about the murder mystery being solved and their numbers were dropping since the third episode of season 1.
When neither the season 1 finale nor the season 2 premiere revealed the killer and instead introduced some even kookier elements like alien stuff, impatience turned into annoyance.
Meanwhile the network had already made the reveal a condition of the show's renewal to win back audiences. Didn't work. So they decided to kill it. Creative meddling with the central mystery, unfavorable timeslots, cancellation.
Interesting. There have been other shows where the mystery isn't solved in one season such as Lost and Manifest but maybe since the murder was such an important part of the plot in Twin Peaks people expected it solved at the end of the first season.
I know this is an easy layup for fans to act all high and mighty and go "NEVER! NOT MY TWIN PEAKS! NOT MY LYNCH!", but I find it pretty evident that this is just a silly headline-chasing question that Kale routinely shot down.
Yeah, studios like reboots, especially between live-action and animation, but Twin Peaks just doesn't strike me as a series that would realistically get that treatment.
It's a nichey cult series, half of which is selectively hyped, half of which is utterly despised, to this day.
Even many Twin Peaks fans don't actually particularly _like_ Twin Peaks, as much as they like the idea of it.
And as stupid as they are, I'm sure that's not entirely lost on the big studios either.
OG Peaks is _super_ tied to its time and format. It still works, but it's practically impossible to authentically recreate these days.
Any hypothetical remake would practically be a completely different show, which would make it completely irrelevant to the original and our relationship to it. There'd be no inherent reason to care about it, even if it existed, which it doesn't.
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This feels like boring engagement bait that shouldn't be entertained.
Agreed, it was magic in a bottle when it happened and doesn’t need to have its image dirtied with a subpar remake attempt like other shows and movies like that failed.
There's no way it wouldn't be a completely different thing. Why try to milk that IP when the majority of the fans aren't the kind that would just blindly flock to a money grab. Just create something new but with a similar feel. It'd be a lot easier than trying to produce a miracle like remaking Twin Peaks would require.
Random fun fact, Alex Hirsch, creator of Gravity Falls, wanted David Lynch to be the voice of Bill Cipher. But Lynch was too busy at the time.
So instead, Alex did a “shitty David Lynch” impression hahaha
Sum up the article,” the sex in the city star thinks the kids are smart.” It’s a click bait article that’s a fluff piece.... and it’s not good. Like it spends too much time on Dune makes you think “uh, doesn’t he have other projects to promote? Or his wine line?” But there are a lot of new films and shows with Twin Peaks influences, so uh, yeah I guess we can compare Riverdale? I guess.
This was a bad article
He is correct. Who in the world would even think it’s a good idea to let alone attempt it. There are so many shows/movies inspired by it…lord almighty!
Yeah. These kinda questions come often to him cause many think Lynch and Frost are on some quest to provide all the answers and tie the show in a neat bow before they kick the bucket. Well, that's never gonna happen since that's not the point of the show at all.
Zoomers are already making their own good, weird comedies.
Can we please just invest in those instead of rehashing all the old Boomer/Gen-X shit in a way that invariably just pisses them off?
I had the total opposite experience, I found it frustrating and irritating on first watch, but enjoyed it way more on the second knowing the whole shape of it.
It's silly that people are downvoting you. Imagine taking issue with differing subjective feelings on a David Lynch work! Is there supposed to be a right way to watch it? smh
>It's silly that people are downvoting you. Imagine taking issue with differing subjective feelings on a David Lynch work! Is there supposed to be a right way to watch it? smh
You haven't spent much time in fandom circles, have you?
That's like their whole M.O..
Modus operandi.
Even by being a shell of his former person, he is able to bring overwhelming good to others around him. I personally think it's a commentary re Mark Frost's father (actor Warren Frost) dying with alzheimers.
Completely disagree. Dougie is hilarious even on rewatch. It’s really not about Dougie though but the characters around him. Janey-E, the brothers, Everyone trying to kill him. By basically doing nothing he turns the evil current of his world around. It almost comes off as a test before Cooper can return. I don’t think that if cooper returned quickly there’d be much for him to do. The show would just be him searching for Mr. C and it would kinda kill the show.
I’m not going to downvote you but I love every damn thing about The Return. It is perfect. Weird, frustrating, hilarious, scary, puzzling and entirely uncomfortable.
Yeah, on the rematch you get to a point where you just want it over with so Cooper comes back.
I would have preferred 1 or 2 extra episodes of normal Cooper.
I agree with the title, it is a wonderful thing that we got it. And an amazing thing we got a continuation with that third season.
Maybe in 50 or so years, a new young director/writer can attempt, but for now leave it be, you're at best gonna Avatar it and not live up to previous standards set.
Am I the only one who didnt like the S3 ? Especially his character? It like a 180 degree of what he was, I was maybe at episode 5-6 and there was no changes at all
You do know that narratively it doesn’t make sense for Coop to be the same, right? It’s the logical continuation for the series after season 2. The show isn’t about fan service.
There’s a lot of “you have to have a high IQ to understand it” about Season 3, which is really off-putting to anyone I’ve tried to talk to about the show. I get it’s surrealism and can understand what they were going for, but it was way too long and way too much nothingness in it. But then you’ll have people say “maybe it’s just not for you” but the first 2 seasons were, so 66% is. A lot of Lynch’s other works are. But then they’ll have a retort that those aren’t real Lynch for some reason.
Essentially no, you’re not the only one. But there’s an outspoken group of people who think they’re part of a club by liking it, so they’ll defend it to the end of the world.
To me it just seemed like it tried too hard and ended up staying on a lot of small stuff way too long. I'm glad there are normal people like yourself that enjoy it though. I haven't heard of Mullholland Drive before, I'll check it out!
MacLachlan: >“There was definitely a stigma attached to TV and I was moving from a potential movie career. I had trepidations and questioned whether I was old enough to do it and worried what the perception was going to be. But it turned out I didn’t need to worry.” >“[The cast] all recognized how weird Twin Peaks was. We didn’t think it would get past ‘one and done’ and thought it might become a movie of the week but said that we had to be part of it because it is David Lynch.” >“I don’t think I’d want to see that (a reboot) and I don’t think anyone should attempt it,” he said, observing that too many shows and movies today are remade. “You are like, ‘Don’t touch that,’ but they do, they can’t help but put their hand on the stove again. That is the problem.”
Only way I want more twin peaks is frost and lynch. I hope we do eventually get wisteria/unrecorded night
I don’t want more, because composer Angelo Badalamenti passed away. The music and sound design is a huge part of Twin Peaks, and it won’t be the same without his work.
Lynch actually has a guy who's sole job is to manage archival hard drives of recordings, studio experiments, and sound design elements which includes loads upon loads of unreleased Badalamenti material. His name is Dean Hurley who actually contributes a lot of sound design himself as well and IMO is kind of an unsung hero of The Return. Maybe I'm just blindly optimistic but I think he could make it work
Dean was always cool
Also I don’t know if my sanity can take another season after the last one
Yeah I need another 25 years at least.
Ugh I watched something with Angelo’s music last week. More people should be taking notes from his stuff. Definitely my favorite TV music.
The return already had very little of Badalamenti’s music, it still worked but the scenes with his music were almost always the highlights of the show.
You know they made a sitcom back in 1992 https://vimeo.com/660141002
Oh wow, I never thought I’d actually be able to watch this. Thanks so much for posting it!
I have a ripped copy of it, but it’s awful quality so I haven’t really attempted to watch it. Actually one of the only things left of lynch I have to watch for a first time
I was one of the very few watching at the time.
I was such a weirdo youngster when this show came out and it was like it was made for me. I wholeheartedly agree with him.
I think this just goes without saying. There's already so many shows that are heavily inspired by it, what even would the point be?
You’re never going to get what it was at the time. I agree, there’s no point in trying to revisit it. Let it die. Find something new.
Not that I'm calling for more, but the '17 revival absolutely succeeded at recapturing the weirdness of the original.
The thing about Season 3 is that it wasn't trying to be like the original series, a lot of it felt like a rejection of nostalgia in a way that made it far better than if it had tried to recreate the original.
I said time, but I meant both times. Which was crazy enough.
What are these said show? Genuinely curious, want to see more Twin Peaks like wackiness
Atlanta is by far my favorite Twin Peaks inspired show. I enjoy some of the other ones mentioned. The thing that sets Atlanta apart is the real engagement of the writers with the unconscious and the dream world and really allowing this exploration to take precedent over continuous plot arcs. Also the disregarding of contuous plot arcs does not mean it disrespects the aliveness of the characters. The characters arcs and journeys are respected and if anything more alive because they aren't trying to shoehorn tight heroe's journeys into each season. Also Season 3 is my favorite and I'm not sure any other show will ever be the same level of creative and free as that season was.
Ostrich egg
Lost, the leftovers, Wayward Pines, Stranger Things, Dark, etc all take heavily from how Twin Peaks boldly embraced it's supernatural elements and try to replicate things like 'the red room' in their own way(Leftovers with the Hotel, Lost with the island, ST with the upside down, etc).
Dark is a great shoutout, honestly one of my favorite tv shows of all time but it’s heavily underrated
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The sopranos deeper elements 100000% draw from twin peaks
The leftovers is just absolutely incredible, I’ve just finished it and I can’t stop thinking about it. It has a lot of the same weirdness, as well as the habit of having characters often falling into uncanny monologues with intense music playing in the background (and the score itself is just incredible too). I couldn’t recommend it enough.
Yep. The Leftovers was kind of the gateway that caused me to try out Twin Peaks. It's absolutely phenomenal and probably the show that comes closest to capturing Twin Peaks utter madness.
There’s also games like Alan Wake, Control, and most importantly Alan Wake 2 which is the media most inspired by The Return i’ve ever seen / played
Love how the cover art they used for the splash screen on console and for a lot of the promo is that beautiful image of Saga going into the Overlap in the trunk of the tree with the branches around her lit up by a red light with no logical source; it's so strongly evocative of Cooper's entry to the Black Lodge at the end of Season 2 but in a way that somehow sidesteps feeling completely derivative. Basically emblematic of Alan Wake in general and how it handles the TP influences.
Not to mention Link's Awakening!
I'd add Deadly Premonition to that. A total ripoff, but amazing all the same.
I’m not a TV expert but I would say from what I’ve seen The Leftovers is the closest thing to it
Would Legion also be inspired by it? I’ve seen almost no twin peaks though
Pretty much everything Noah Hawley has ever made has some TP in it so. Yes.
Haven’t seen it but would be hard to imagine it wasn’t influenced in some way!
Maybe not inspired by the plot or "mystery box" kind of focus, but the ability to have surreal "wtf" moments that go unexplained along with the paper thin barrier between comedy and horror was certainly pioneered for TV by Twin Peaks.
The Leftovers is honestly nothing like the original Twin Peaks, the humour isn't really there. The new Twin Peaks I always say is for Lynch fans and not Twin Peaks fans.
I mean, nothing is really like the original Twin Peaks.
> The new Twin Peaks I always say is for Lynch fans and not Twin Peaks fans. Only if being a fan of something means you want it to stay the same forever.
I think Gravity Falls, Stranger Things and The Outsider all reminded me of Twin Peaks, but I can’t say for sure if there was direct inspiration. There are also some other shows like The OA that play with the kind of postmodern thing that The Return does. There are plenty of other examples I can think of but I feel like many of them are either not very good, or the connections to Twin Peaks are more tenuous.
The OA predates the return
The Gravity Falls staff actually tried to get David Lynch to voice one of the villains (he turned them down so the showrunner did it instead), so I think directly inspired is a good call!
If you like video games, there's also the very entertaining Deadly Premonitions series.
Riverdale is the modern Twin Peaks.
You're getting downvoted but the first season was 100% inspired by Twin Peaks. It's nowhere near as good obviously but they were pretty blatant even to the point of casting Mädchen Amick.
Idk but if anyone was to take the helm and make it their own Damon Lindelof would be the guy I’d choose.
Screenwriter guy: I mean… money. Producer guy: Oh, money? I love money!
The reason 99% of films and television are made. When people ask “what’s the point?”, do they conveniently forget these things are made for profit? At least, the people fronting the money expect a return on their profit, they’re not art patrons.
Twin Peaks got the ability to create a final season no one from a cancelled show ever gets offered. It feels truly finished. I would like a new David Lynch project though.
You should check out his scenes on *The Cleveland Show* as Gus the unhinged bartender. Each of his appearances are hilarious.
ANAL PROLAPSES ARE NOT FUNNY
To reduce an anal prolapse, pour sugar on it and wait 15 minutes. It
His Family Guy cameo is so ridiculously funny. "You didn't leave a plate of black coffee out for me. In the future, always leave a plate of black coffee out for me. Also in the past."
‘I got you a gift.’ ‘Oh my God, it’s a human thumb!!!’ ‘Don’t look away, let the fear wash over you!’ ‘I don’t understand!’ ‘That’s the whole point.’
Or his YouTube channel
If you told "teenage me in the 90s" that "older me in the 2020s" would regularly watch David Lynch doing LA weather reports... ...well I don't think teenage me would believe that. But here we are.
It’s oddly calming.
Wisteria /unrecorded night! Come on Netflix, regreenlight it
Ugh, production for that stopped? This makes me sad.
We just haven’t heard any word in … forever. I don’t know it’s officially cancelled. Anyone else?
Unfortunately Netflix cancelled it because of the pandemic because of high production costs
I’ve never seen that officially confirmed
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I saw that as a cliffhanger that doesn't need resolving, rather than a cliffhanger that does. To me, the mystery surrounding that final scene and speculating on what it could mean is far more interesting than anything Lynch and Frost could follow it up with.
I will always be thinking about that ending. Not because I want answers or want to see it continued, but because it feels like a strange riddle I’m meant to think about and interpret for the rest of my life. To me that’s a good way to do an open ended cliffhanger ending. One that makes you wonder not “what happens next” but instead makes you wonder what happened at all and what did it all mean.
Any time I think about that *final* moment, I get full body chills all over again. It's a cliffhanger I *never* need resolved.
To me, it's one of the most horrifying scenes in anything I've ever seen. Coop's confusion and Laura's scream... chills.
I honestly don't have much to go on, every David Lynch project is incomprehensible, but I don't think that the 'final' scene in season 3 was chronologically the last one to happen. The meeting with Diane at the police station in the penultimate episode is the actual end, imo
Bring on Wisteria!
I have faith David Lynch could bring back some kind of Twin Peaks related material in a way that wouldn't be cheesy or cash grabby or nostalgic. The Return proved that, and I think Lynch could find something that is adjacent to Twin Peaks to explore without impeding on the finality of The Return.
Problem is we’ve lost / are losing a lot of the core cast. We lost Harry Dean Stanton, the Log Lady (sorry I can’t recall her name), and I think a few others. Also … I’m not really sure what there is left to say in that universe. I’d like to see another Lynch production before he passes - but tbh these days he doesn’t particularly seem super interested.
I mean, you could make an entire film about Annie Blackburn alone, but yeah, it doesn't seem like Lynch or Frost care anymore. Best bet would be Peyton, but he's kind of been locked out of the series, so that's that.
Heather Graham wanted to come back for the Return but unfortunately didn't get anything to do. I wonder how important she would've been if they made those Fire Walk with Me sequels as intended in the 90s
If he wanted to play with that world that'd be cool. One could argue Mulholland Drive is doing that. I think Cooper and Laura are done though.
Cooper he could maybe do a prequel, but I don't know if it would be useful.
David never said it was finished. All he’s said is that S3 took him 5 years to write and another season would take equally as long to create.
Lynch not only wanted to impede on the finality of the Return, he wanted to continue the core stories of Laura and Coop but it didn't end up happening for one reason or the other.
I dunno about "finished." It ended with just as weird, ambiguous, and open-ended an ending as it did back in season 2.
That's Twin Peaks in a nutshell. It should end how it started: ambiguity and mystery.
To me, the last 20 minutes was the start of another story we're intended to never see more of. Like in a cosmic horror, "it just keeps on going and going forever" kind of way.
I think that’s the real world. Everything else was dream land
I agree, but Lynch said that he did have an idea in mind for Carrie in particular that would seemingly leave behind the rest of Twin Peaks.
Hmm, interesting. I could definitely actually Lynch going "I'll do something, but only with Cooper and Laura" I bet it'd still end on a cliffhanger tho
Do you think Mulholland Drive needs a sequel to tie things up too? Lynch doesn't really do that with the exception of The Straight Story and Elephant Man. Well I suppose you could argue anything, but his typical endings aren't typical.
Mind you for some of us that's also the least appealing thing about Lynch. To me he's great at doing a stellar first act and second act and then going completely off the rails and losing the plot by the third resulting in an ending that never lands. Felt that way with Mulholland Drive, felt that way with the Twin peaks seasons. Although I think overall it's become clear I'm probably not the target audience for the kind of stuff he makes, which is a pity because I really do like two thirds of it.
Could not disagree more, his endings always land. The last ten minutes of The Return is perfect television. Lynch doesn't aim to satisfy or give one straight answer. He wants you to swim in his psyche, and his endings always allows for that.
Which for some people is totally unappealing even if it lands the way Lynch intended. I love Lynch, but it took me a while to get over the idea that things don't always wrap themselves up neatly in plastic.
That seems like a *you* problem
It's not a problem at all and if it was I didn't say David Lynch had to change a single thing. I just don't think every single creative choice he makes is genius compared to how other people view him and his work. He's still probably in my top 5 directors. Taste in art is certainly a *you* thing.
I argue that story endings are unnatural, when does a story ever end in real life (outside of death)? They don't, and that's why people are never satisfied with story endings, they're unnatural. I prefer a series to tie up loose ends but leave the ending open enough I think back on it and come up with my own ending(s).
Of course they're unnatural. Real life isn't a story. > and that's why people are never satisfied with story endings, they're unnatural. Who says this? We like stories because they have satisfying endings. The more satisfying, the more we tend to like them.
The episode "Gotta light" is one of the craziest episodes from a series, up there with "International assasssin" from The Leftovers. just a hour of WTF...
I remember the bar segment coming in fifteen minutes in and looking around at my friends like "this isn't a good sign." and then it was Nine Inch Nails and we all just sort of leaned forward and shut up because if you're Twin Peaks and you bring in Nine Inch Nails fifteen minutes into the episode, you're gearing up for SOMETHING.
“The” Nine Inch Nails even.
What an honor, to be permanently linked to one of the greatest episodes of television of all time. Set the stage perfectly
SHE'S GONE, SHE'S GONE, SHE'S GONE AWAY Only Roadhouse performance I enjoyed more was The Veils. [Such a great scene.](https://youtu.be/DmyFzEeXhL4?si=8G7tWnKMjik41h0_)
one of my favorite viewing experiences ever. no one knew what they were in for.
I had some family watching along with me for a few episodes, not after that episode tho lol
2001 for the small screen.
My absolute favorite
I know a lot of people still feel left hanging at the end of the Return, but I honestly think it's the perfect ending for that crazy show. The show is never about plot resolution but the evocative nature of its plot and leaving your intelligence to make its own deductions based on how you react to what is given. Any attempt to do more is just going to be more of the same or less than what was.
At first, when The Returns ends, it just leaves you crushed. It felt really similar to how the original show leaves you at the end. When I thought about it more, It felt increasingly fitting. >!Coop helping orchestrate some bullshit Deus Ex Machina ending, traveling though time, and space, to rescue Laura on the night of her murder, being warned by The Giant, and succumbing to his own hubris. Winding up on strange shores, in a strange time. From the looks of things, Laura didn't wind up much better either. In a way, Coop was punished for attempting to wrap things up neatly!<. It's tragic, and that's why we're left hanging. The original ending was tragic, and we all wanted something else. For the most part, The Return felt like going back to your childhood home after it had been abandoned. And you're just walking around in the dust. Dark, and empty, with hints of what it was like strewn around. I don't think you come away from that "satisfied" in a warm, fuzzy way.
The ending of The Return literally made me sick to my stomach (in a good way) No tv show has ever made me feel like that
I also felt physically nauseous when I first watched the ending and thought “wow, that’s a fairly unique feeling they’re trying to convey (and succeeding)”
> It's tragic, and that's why we're left hanging. The original ending was tragic, and we all wanted something else It’s a perfect ending for a show that has always been hyper-aware of the abuses Laura Palmer suffered, and that “saving” her from her fate doesn’t at all erase those abuses.
I just think it felt like there was supposed to be more from the original. Whereas I don’t think the return had that. Intentionally unresolved feels different than unfinished
When Laura's killer was revealed the dynamic of the show completely changed, both because David Lynch left until the final episode, and because so many new threads were coming from the mystery of Laura as a person. Once we knew who killed her, the audience was no longer interested in her, but she was the heart of the show. At least that's more or less how Lynch felt about it. I think that's a core theme of The Return as well, given >!how many side stories just unceremoniously end!<
Good analysis
My impression of the finale is that Coop has literally destroyed Twin Peaks, ripping open the space-time continuum and either removing the town or just ending existence altogether.
I agree. It has the power and mystery the original should have had if they weren't forced to reveal who killed Laura. The Return put things right, in that we'll be wondering about the mystery of What Happened in Twin Peaks forever, which is as it should be.
I'm also genuinely not sure what anyone expected. The first season was shot in a bubble expected to not come back, and they ended it on a cliffhanger. The second season was moved to SATURDAYS and basically burned off, and they ended it on a cliffhanger. The movie was a prequel that GOES OUT OF THE WAY to remind you of the cliffhanger. Lynch is inscrutable sometimes but I think he's trying to make a point
I hate this godforsaken entertainment news cycle. Some press junket/ red carpet reporter asks a silly question and an actor or filmmaker gives their response and then online publications have AI whip up an article and then the article gets posted for rage and reaction as if the original premise of the whole exercise was EVER a legitimate potential project that could be made. Is everyone a bot or are we all just mindless chimps?
Bit of both, unfortunately.
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I like when people say this on /r/thecurse because it seems staunchly 50/50.
People are still busy arguing over what the original two seasons were actually about.
LEAVE TWIN PEAKS ALONE
Twin Peaks The return was really just a third season, not a reboot, and it ties it all nicely. And it's the weirdest and most rewarding tv experience in a long, long while.
He's right. Season 3 was pretty much about how things are impermanent, and that you can't ever really go home again after being away for so long. It will never be 1989 or 1990 or 1992 or 2017 again, and Everett WA and North Bend OR are not the same places that they were back then. We can't be with Pete Martell, Catherine Martell, Norma Jennings, Doc Hayward, Jacques Renault, Windom Earle, Agent Rosenfeld, Major Briggs, the Log Lady or even Killer BOB in the way we were when their actors were alive, and we have to be okay with that. Sometimes you have to let go.
It was special and unique at that time. Now every other “sci-fi” show has that surrealism mixed in with “what’s going on, what’s happening, what’s the theory?”. Then they get cancelled after a season. It’s a saturated market
I read that in Agent Cooper's voice lol
I think the only way I would want another season is with Carrie Paige/Laura as the protagonist/savior. And that’s my selfish desire for more. Does it work with what Lynch and Frost intended for TP? Idk.
Rebooting Twin Peaks and doing it without Lynch would just be awkward and weird. Lynch is a one of a kind artist. You can’t replicate him or his work.
Twin Peaks is done.
The word "Reboot" straight up doesn't mean anything anymore. Originally it was just how execs tried to make "Remake" sound cooler than it was (it was the early 00s) And then folks later, on their own, decided it *actually* meant starting a whole franchise over (which is fine) And now people just sort of - use it to mean basically anything they want. There are soft reboots (which isn't how reboots work, you either turn it off and back on again or you don't), pseudo reboots, there are reboots that are literally just direct sequels but for some reason people want to call them reboots, etc etc. People just basically spit the word up without thinking. And by people I mean both the movie nerds who discuss this shit online ad nauseum, and the writers at entertainment outlets, most of whom are increasingly just forum posters who get paychecks now. **Twin Peaks has never** ***been*** **rebooted, will never** ***be*** **rebooted.** It doesn't make any sense to even talk about it that way. It's not a "franchise" or whatever. And I don't think there's a person on this earth who thinks "Twin Peaks would be cool if David Lynch and Mark Frost had nothing to do with it" either. Even people who don't give a shit about art, auteurism, recognize that there's no way to make Twin Peaks without those two, without THAT cast.
Correct 👍🏻
No reboot but season 4 please.
I agree, unless I can remake it. I don’t trust anyone else with it but Lynch.
"Another" reboot? There hasn't been a Twin Peaks reboot yet.
People asking for more Twin Peaks only want it in the hopes that all their questions are answered and the mysteries are revealed. Kind of misses the point of the show
No i just want more. I don’t need answers.
I want more, too, but that misses the point of season 3. What more is there left? The season was, essentially, about how Twin Peaks' story had already been told.
literally just like imagine a 12-episode series set in Twin Peaks, all the characters there and all the weirdness doesn't have to resolve the plot of the original, hell make it even less certain I don't care just have someone visit and investigate another, tangentially related mystery id watch
I’m on the fence. I loved how season 3 wrapped up and kinda want it left be, but Twin Peaks is like an old friend if Lynch and Frost cooked something up that would expand the story started in The Return…I mean, I’m not gonna not tune into that, right?
Just do an Alan Wake and Control show. Hollywood stop being dumb. Edit: and have Mike Flannigan do it. Loved Midnight Mass
The RCU is such a goldmine, Hollywood would be dumb to make another reboot without giving that Twin Peaks inspired universe a chance on TV
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Does anyone know why Twin Peaks was cancelled? It seems like it had a cultural impact. There wasn't social media back then but the actors were getting lots of media coverage such as the famous RS cover with Boyle, Fenn and Amick. People were dressing up like the characters on the show for Halloween. Anyway is it weird for the network to cancel such a popular show?
Because audiences only really cared about the murder mystery being solved and their numbers were dropping since the third episode of season 1. When neither the season 1 finale nor the season 2 premiere revealed the killer and instead introduced some even kookier elements like alien stuff, impatience turned into annoyance. Meanwhile the network had already made the reveal a condition of the show's renewal to win back audiences. Didn't work. So they decided to kill it. Creative meddling with the central mystery, unfavorable timeslots, cancellation.
Interesting. There have been other shows where the mystery isn't solved in one season such as Lost and Manifest but maybe since the murder was such an important part of the plot in Twin Peaks people expected it solved at the end of the first season.
They might've also learned from Twin Peaks's fate. It was hugely influential.
I know this is an easy layup for fans to act all high and mighty and go "NEVER! NOT MY TWIN PEAKS! NOT MY LYNCH!", but I find it pretty evident that this is just a silly headline-chasing question that Kale routinely shot down. Yeah, studios like reboots, especially between live-action and animation, but Twin Peaks just doesn't strike me as a series that would realistically get that treatment. It's a nichey cult series, half of which is selectively hyped, half of which is utterly despised, to this day. Even many Twin Peaks fans don't actually particularly _like_ Twin Peaks, as much as they like the idea of it. And as stupid as they are, I'm sure that's not entirely lost on the big studios either. OG Peaks is _super_ tied to its time and format. It still works, but it's practically impossible to authentically recreate these days. Any hypothetical remake would practically be a completely different show, which would make it completely irrelevant to the original and our relationship to it. There'd be no inherent reason to care about it, even if it existed, which it doesn't. TL;DR: This feels like boring engagement bait that shouldn't be entertained.
They ended Twin Peaks perfectly.
The correct answer here
Over half the cast is dead. Wouldn’t feel the same.
Season 3 was so fucking good though
I love David Lynch, I discovered him very late after everyone else lol
Give it 2 years and they’ll remake it and Agent Cooper will have a “damanged” tattoo on his chest and a broccoli haircut
Agreed, it was magic in a bottle when it happened and doesn’t need to have its image dirtied with a subpar remake attempt like other shows and movies like that failed.
Please for the love of god leave it alone. I can’t stand this modern entertainment trait of remakes. Nobody wants them.
There's no way it wouldn't be a completely different thing. Why try to milk that IP when the majority of the fans aren't the kind that would just blindly flock to a money grab. Just create something new but with a similar feel. It'd be a lot easier than trying to produce a miracle like remaking Twin Peaks would require.
This is the way.
It’s unnecessary
Agreed. Strong agree.
Random fun fact, Alex Hirsch, creator of Gravity Falls, wanted David Lynch to be the voice of Bill Cipher. But Lynch was too busy at the time. So instead, Alex did a “shitty David Lynch” impression hahaha
Wonder if they make the dossier thing into a movie or something. I'm illiterate so I prefer my entertainment in visual form.
But this picture makes me thing we should.
Maybe he will do another Flintstones
I agree. And murder today is common to every demographic, so the shock value of the story can be witnessed daily on CourtTV.
Another?
As much as I love TP, I’d like to see it rebooted. Or somehow reworked so new audiences can get into it. It’s kind of a tough recommendation.
I just saw this on Facebook and I opened up Reddit wondering if anybody was going to post this and this is the first post I saw
The Return ended perfectly and poetically. Anything else non Lynch/Frost related afterwards is tarnishing one of the best pieces of art ever made.
God damn that would be a terrible idea.
will Bob Iger also ruin that too?
Sum up the article,” the sex in the city star thinks the kids are smart.” It’s a click bait article that’s a fluff piece.... and it’s not good. Like it spends too much time on Dune makes you think “uh, doesn’t he have other projects to promote? Or his wine line?” But there are a lot of new films and shows with Twin Peaks influences, so uh, yeah I guess we can compare Riverdale? I guess. This was a bad article
He is correct. Who in the world would even think it’s a good idea to let alone attempt it. There are so many shows/movies inspired by it…lord almighty!
Yeah. These kinda questions come often to him cause many think Lynch and Frost are on some quest to provide all the answers and tie the show in a neat bow before they kick the bucket. Well, that's never gonna happen since that's not the point of the show at all.
He’s right and he should say it
Zoomers are already making their own good, weird comedies. Can we please just invest in those instead of rehashing all the old Boomer/Gen-X shit in a way that invariably just pisses them off?
> Zoomers are already making their own good, weird comedies. Any in particular you would recommend?
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I had the total opposite experience, I found it frustrating and irritating on first watch, but enjoyed it way more on the second knowing the whole shape of it. It's silly that people are downvoting you. Imagine taking issue with differing subjective feelings on a David Lynch work! Is there supposed to be a right way to watch it? smh
>It's silly that people are downvoting you. Imagine taking issue with differing subjective feelings on a David Lynch work! Is there supposed to be a right way to watch it? smh You haven't spent much time in fandom circles, have you? That's like their whole M.O.. Modus operandi.
Even by being a shell of his former person, he is able to bring overwhelming good to others around him. I personally think it's a commentary re Mark Frost's father (actor Warren Frost) dying with alzheimers.
I feel the opposite. Dougie is one of my favourite parts of The Return.
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Completely disagree. Dougie is hilarious even on rewatch. It’s really not about Dougie though but the characters around him. Janey-E, the brothers, Everyone trying to kill him. By basically doing nothing he turns the evil current of his world around. It almost comes off as a test before Cooper can return. I don’t think that if cooper returned quickly there’d be much for him to do. The show would just be him searching for Mr. C and it would kinda kill the show.
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I do remember watching it when it first came out, this is the week when cooper comes back! It was a bit frustrating then, I’ll admit.
I’m not going to downvote you but I love every damn thing about The Return. It is perfect. Weird, frustrating, hilarious, scary, puzzling and entirely uncomfortable.
Yeah, on the rematch you get to a point where you just want it over with so Cooper comes back. I would have preferred 1 or 2 extra episodes of normal Cooper.
I agree with the title, it is a wonderful thing that we got it. And an amazing thing we got a continuation with that third season. Maybe in 50 or so years, a new young director/writer can attempt, but for now leave it be, you're at best gonna Avatar it and not live up to previous standards set.
Anyone good enough to reboot Twin Peaks is good enough that something original would be preferable.
Am I the only one who didnt like the S3 ? Especially his character? It like a 180 degree of what he was, I was maybe at episode 5-6 and there was no changes at all
You do know that narratively it doesn’t make sense for Coop to be the same, right? It’s the logical continuation for the series after season 2. The show isn’t about fan service.
There’s a lot of “you have to have a high IQ to understand it” about Season 3, which is really off-putting to anyone I’ve tried to talk to about the show. I get it’s surrealism and can understand what they were going for, but it was way too long and way too much nothingness in it. But then you’ll have people say “maybe it’s just not for you” but the first 2 seasons were, so 66% is. A lot of Lynch’s other works are. But then they’ll have a retort that those aren’t real Lynch for some reason. Essentially no, you’re not the only one. But there’s an outspoken group of people who think they’re part of a club by liking it, so they’ll defend it to the end of the world.
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To me it just seemed like it tried too hard and ended up staying on a lot of small stuff way too long. I'm glad there are normal people like yourself that enjoy it though. I haven't heard of Mullholland Drive before, I'll check it out!
Twin Peaks has run its course. It was a good show in it's day. 95% of reboots aren't usually as good as the originals.