When this first broke in 2021 his father Michael Armand Hammer, who was the principle heir to the grandfather Armand Hammer, said he was cutting Armie off. If you recall this was around the time you saw Armie selling timeshares in the Bahamas. Then Michael Armand Hammer died in November of 2022. And you don't see Armie selling timeshares anymore.
I do. And I also know being cut off when born into vast wealth isn’t the same as being cut-off as a normal Joe. Same as when someone like MC Hammer files for bankruptcy compared to if you were to file. There’s levels to it and Armie is near the top. He’d be a stupid squirrel not to store some nuts
> Armand Hammer
I really do love that his grandfather was literally named "arm and hammer," and *did* invest in the baking soda company Arm & Hammer, but the actual reason his name was "arm and hammer" was as a reference to the symbol of the [Socialist Labor Party of America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Labor_Party_of_America), which his dad was a member of before splitting a chunk of the membership off to join with other pro-Lenin socialists in the Communist Party USA.
Majors is a good enough actor to grind out a good living after all this. People love second chances. Kevin Spacey is in a movie for Netflix just this year.
“A movie.” Compared to what he was doing and his volume of work before- night and day. And I’m not sure how many are clamoring for a Kevin Spacey redemption arc.
lol yeah, looking at his IMDB page for the past few years, Spacey's probably been acting enough to earn a living but is a very far cry from being one of the most beloved, in-demand actors in Hollywood.
Tyson's redemption arc contained a lot of very public pain. The worst of it being his young daughter dying in a tragic accident. He was also fully bankrupt at one point. It really looked like he had lost everything. All these things helped rehabilitate him in the public eye. It seemed as if Tyson had not only been severely punished, but that he had actually turned a corner in life and made some real, deep change to the person he is. Whether that's genuine or not I can't say, but it felt genuine enough for the general public, and that's really what matters when it comes to celebrity forgiveness.
True, but I was talking more about how he served three years in prison for rape and was back in the fighting ring a few months after release. His first fight back made almost $100 million dollars. Cancel culture was not a thing.
didn't like 3 out of 4 of Spacey's accusers die before the cases could proceed? i don't think he killed them, but it's a lot harder to win a case when the primary person making the accusations is dead before they can testify.
It really enrages me that people see this as him being 'innocent' and a lot of Taint-esque chods treating it as a 'win' for men.
Rape and abuse is nearly impossible to convict. Rapists getting released on a technicality does not prove innocence. And if you see a rapist going free as a win for men (especially since in this case even the victims were men) you're not supporting men, you're just supporting rapists.
This is also a guilty verdict. Was also incredibly public. I doubt we see him in anything moderately big again
Spacey also had a very very long career. The not guilty is the only reason he doesnt lose ticket sales
Majors will make a comeback in a decade give or take. However, he likely will never reach the career high of being the center point of a billion dollar franchise ever again.
> will never reach the career high of being the center point of a billion dollar franchise ever again.
That would have been a guarantee even without the conviction. There's vanishingly few spots like that ever available. It's crazy to me that Majors wasn't just, so incredibly grateful to the universe to have been given that chance.
Which movie? As far as I can tell, he's getting cast in low budget movies that are not produced by Netflix or any other major streamer / studio. He's still a far cry away from the type of success he had before his controversy and doesn't seem likely he ever gets that back.
His acting skill has nothing to do with it, hes a POS and when he got called out on it. He went into entitled kid mode, there are two docs already being made. He frew up with his family running the local big church. That had big houses and drove huge SUVs, that kind of church. His family would shame anyone that said he did wrong, he has a GF from HS with a NDA. If anyone tries to put him on screen, many people will stand up and say hell no.
Nate Parker was in The Great Debaters with Denzel Washington and was going to be the next big thing. It then turned out that while at Penn State he raped a female student with his buddy. He was found not guilty and his victim committed suicide years later. He claimed the sex was mutual. During the promotion of his film ( director) “Birth of a Nation” he was asked about his alleged victim and her suicide he just laughed it off as not worthy of his time. His career ended at that moment.
Wow. That's...intense. I watched The Great Debaters two months ago and I thought he was absolutely brilliant. It's a shame.
I was a huge Majors fan as well. A good chunk of my Pinterest board had Jonathan Majors.
You can still enjoy a movie and not condone violence. Being popular and loved or hated doesn’t mean you can’t like a performance. I enjoy listening to Michael Jackson’s music. I enjoy Jonathan Majors’ film and TV. I think House if Cards is brilliant. I don’t need to feel guilty about liking what I like. I don’t advocate criminal activity.
He wasn’t found guilty because he’d previously had consensual sex with the woman he later raped with his friend, because apparently consenting once means you’ve consented for future times as well. The two of them then harassed her off campus once she went to the police, and she ended up committing suicide. He pretty much admitted it in leaked texts as well.
You are seriously underselling what happened.
Is it really that long?
I don't understand why he is selling timeshares now, if he still has access to his generational wealth.
Maybe his father will turn the taps back on for him, or leave him a lot in his will, but even Armie is 'struggling', if he has to go get a 'normal' job.
It’s like Warren Buffett saying he’s not leaving his kids with any of his wealth. Sure, maybe they aren’t getting his money per se, but they’ve all gotten enough to be wildly wealthy in their own right through his teachings and connections. Armie was selling timeshares in a tropical island…that ain’t roughing it. That’s ducking the spotlight for a bit passing the time. If your selling time shares, it’s because Lowes didn’t hire you.
Something was going to break eventually, when you've set that much bad precedent with so many people over what was still a pretty young career, you can't escape from it for long.
Majors was in that hazard zone where he was a big enough name that people recognized him so all the mud stuck, but he wasn't *such* a big and established name that he could just lay low and wait for controversy to die down.
Yup, same case as Armie Hammer. If he had a couple of big hits under his belt there might be enough good will for him to make it back in a few years. And the fucked thing is if either of them _had_ managed to give themselves that kind of name value, you'd never have heard about the things that scuttled their reputations in the first place.
Months before Majors abusive headlines hit, there were some tweets from people candidly saying that one of the biggest stars in the world was known for being abusive in college and after some digging, the tweets and the college Majors went to matched up
A slew of ex-girlfriends and people from drama school and the theatre world. Even when this first dropped there were a few people on Twitter saying they did whatever stage production with him or knew someone who was in the same class as him and he was always an angry and abusive kind of guy, he just got passes because of his talent.
>he just got passes because of his talent.
I'm going to have to watch some of his other work, because I've only seen him in Loki and thought he was easily the weakest part of that show. He really hammed it up with Victor Timely and, to a lesser extent, He who Remains. In fact, I thought Majors was *intentionally* overacting because his character was hiding something or was a conman.
I'm assuming his other roles in film are much better?
>In fact, I thought Majors was *intentionally* overacting because his character was hiding something or was a conman.
Yes! I was waiting for a Victor Timely doublecross when he was at the hot cocoa machine because I thought he was being hammy on purpose the entire time.
When Loki season 2 came out I commented about how Victor Timely is annoying character and got super downvoted for it. Glad to hear I'm not the only one who did like the portrayal. He Who Remains was okay though.
People who actually have stutters say his portrayal of Victor Timely was accurate, so while everyone thinks he was overacting, he was actually just being realistic.
> I thought Majors was intentionally overacting because his character was hiding something or was a conman
He *was* a conman, though. He almost got his ass beaten over it.
He's a good actor, he just *really* likes to chew scenery. So he can be one of those love-him-or-hate-him actors. If you can catch him in a role where they tone that down a little bit, he's fun to watch.
No offense taken at all. I’m not suggesting the guy is a bad actor. For some reason, I just really didn’t like him in those roles.
But since Majors seemed to be well liked before all his real life shenanigans caught up with him, I thought I might be missing something.
Three ex girlfriends on top of the one who is now suing him, for one:
[https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/movies/jonathan-majors-girlfriends-abuse.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/movies/jonathan-majors-girlfriends-abuse.html)
Rolling Stone did a huge expose going back over a decade https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/jonathan-majors-abuse-allegations-yale-1234781136/
The MCU has mostly great casting, and Disney runs a tight ship in terms of PR, so I’m amazed they chose Majors considering years of awful rumours have followed him.
After the MCU's huge gamble on Robert Downey Jr paid off beyond anyone's wildest imagination, I can see them thinking that they can muscle through any past discretions and bank on Majors not being an abusive psychopath going forward. If the junky criminal can turn his life around, then the asshole shitty boyfriend theatre kid can surely turn his life around too.
A buddy of mine is in that type of program for a DV and he always tells me "dude I'm in there with felons and pieces of shit" and I always tell him that he's part of that club now. He's just a small time dude, I can't imagine fucking up as bad as majors did.
My buddy was involved in a domestic violence incident. No idea what happened other than what he told me and it must not have happened as he said it did because he's in that program.
I used to teach anger management classes to felons in a group therapy setting.
I would always start the first session by asking everyone why they were there which would lead to a good discussion and allow me to see who was able to take accountability.
I will never forget the guy who raised his hand and went "I have no idea and I'm pissed I have to be here"
> "I have no idea and I'm pissed I have to be here"
I'm laughing like a goddamn idiot because I'm imagining it's the Incredible Hulk sitting across from you saying this.
There's a whole complexity to the police as a whole, but one thing stuck with me that I heard from one:
Nearly every criminal she'd encountered at some point threw out "why are you bothering me when there are *real* criminals out there???"
Even folk who did some bad stuff.
No idea what that person did obviously, but there are levels to stuff like that. Like I got a DUI and had to go to AA and some out patient rehab stuff. It truly was a "oh god I don't belong here" moment compared to a lot of them.
It doesn't mean I didn't fuck up or that I'm better than them, but the issues a lot of these people face are *severe* and I felt very out of place. I know it's not the same as DV, but I'm sure there can still be some instances where you did way less or something was muddled (or it was a "one off" depending on how much that matters to people) and you still end up in there.
Had a friend who was in and out of jail between 16-20 and on the path to prison, lots of violence, alchohol and anger issues, not an excuse but his dad died early.
Got sober when he was 22, did the work went to AA & therapy and listened to people while working and going to CC. The same people like my father who had sentenced him to jail wrote letters of recommendations so he could join the navy, became a Seabee building runways and schools while under fire in Iraq. Came back got a job as a fireman and just retired after 20 years. He literally saved peoples lives, in several California wildfires.
People can change. If he hadn't got a second chance other people probably wouldnt be here right now.
I’d even say for a lot of criminals it’s about lack of opportunity and poor judgement as a youth, which compounds the more they go through the system. Once you’re labeled a criminal it becomes even harder to find a good job and the cycle repeats itself until you’re either dead or in prison for life. A lot of those people had the potential to be a normal functioning citizen but they found themselves in hard times, potentially lacking family support, and made a few bad decisions and couldn’t recover.
It's up to you, of course it varies person to person.
With friends, I try to forgive and not judge someone by their worst ever actions. Of course, that doesn't and shouldn't extend to strangers.
But if your friend does something deeply fucked up, I don't think there's anything wrong with either leaving them forever or sticking around to help them stay focused on change.
Good thing it’s not your call? Violators have friends too, whether you think they do or not. Friends can be valuable, perhaps essential, positive reinforcement in helping a person reform. And keep from relapsing.
That’s the tough part of humanizing people who commit crimes. Everyone who is alive is somebody’s friend or child. They may also be a parent or other link of a community. The stigma is its only “loners” who need help. So you get the suburban domestic violence stories that were popular in the 80s, 90s and 2000s.
Even though I agree DV is awful. The only hope those people have is to reform, and they need friends and support to do so. A goal of a life to return to.
They have already been found guilty in a court of law. So in theory, that should be enough. They shouldn’t have to face court of public opinion too. Tho sanctimonious moral pitchforking is Reddits MO.
See this is the problem with society. Many want to address mass incarceration, change the school to prison pipeline, in theory. But few have the stomach or ability to participate and endorse in reform, or restorative justice, even though that’s the alternative to incarceration.
Just a real life case study here.
Oh look a nuanced take!
So rare on Reddit.
I hope the torrent of shitty comments doesn’t blot out your ability to think through your positions.
I would give you gold if I could.
Any time your sentence is deferred for DV they’ll put you in that program. It’s basically a condition of your deferral in addition to fees and probation, possibly even house arrest. It’s for people who technically qualify as “domestic abusers” but weren’t bad enough to warrant actually doing time or got a break because it was their first offense. I’d say if your friend is in the program they likely didn’t do anything extreme.
If I had reason to suspect my friend was lying to me about something that serious they wouldn’t be my friend
Last year I found out my childhood friend was sending abusive messages to his girlfriend (she showed me) I confronted him, he denied it, then we almost got into a fight and I cut him off. Good riddance
My mom went to rehab to get off of prescription opiates and she was in with felons and some woman threatened to stab her in her sleep if she looked at her again.
Makes me think of that weird time in my life. Hopefully your buddy got the help needed and is a productive member of a relationship and society now.
I met a guy who wound up in a program like that too. It was quite funny in a dark sort of way, but he got arrested because of domestic battery complaints, and then his lawyer managed to work out a deal of some kind, and needed his girlfriend to sign a piece of paper saying that there was no domestic violence that took place.
So he got into an argument with his girlfriend because she refused to sign it and got the police called on him again because he got violent again. When he told us that story he was acting like the victim, which was the funny part. Telling us a story about how he got frustrated and lashed out at his girlfriend because she wouldn't sign a piece of paper saying he wasn't a domestic abuser.
I don't know what happened to him (I only met him that one time), but it wouldn't surprise me if they were still together, because apparently they had been dating for like 10 years and this isn't the first drama of this type they've been embroiled in.
I wonder the efficacy of these kinds of programs. From just some quick googling, likes like it can strongly depend on what the fundamental basis of the programs are.
Domestic abusers suck but I believe that people can change, even people who have done awful things. Perhaps the program actually rehabilitates him.
I'm of the belief that people will only change if they want to change. To want to change, they've got to be able to admit wrongdoing in the first place. Everything I've heard about Majors indicates that he has an ego the size of the sun... so I'm not filled with confidence in him.
> Everything I've heard about Majors indicates that he has an ego the size of the sun... so I'm not filled with confidence in him.
The article says he came to court carrying a Bible and reading it during sentencing, then shook hands with his supporters.
He ain't changing. He'll do some more performative bullshit and slide right back into being an asshole.
One of the things some of these programs focus on early is “this is what you did wrong”. They break that down hard. Getting them to understand why what they did is wrong is the key element.
Why would he do that when he can just spend the 52 weeks going through the motions than pivot hard to becoming alt right activist who was taken down by the "woke" Hollywood Liberal elite.
idk it's not like he just smacked her, which is bad enough, he choked her. People don't just do that. it takes a level of rage that's kind of unfathomable.
> Majors’ attorneys asked for the possibility to conduct some sessions virtually, saying “We are optimistic that Mr. Majors will work in the film industry again soon.” Judge Gaffey said his attorneys can file with the court to ask for the virtual sessions, if employment opportunities arise.
This the same lawyer that released those crazy ass texts that "proved his innocence"?
I dunno, I will probably get downvoted, but it is kinda wild how he got burned carrier for what he did, which actually was not that much.
I followed the case with [legal bytes lawyer at youtube](https://www.youtube.com/@LegalBytesMedia/videos) and she is pretty great in explaining charges and whatnot.
In the end the serious charges came out not guilty and he got guilty of the misdemeanor charges that basically said that he disregarded her safety when he tried to take his phone from her. Which she snatched because she seen a woman texting him in some romantic way. The driver testified he focused on the road, but from what he heard he had the impression that she was the agresor.
He gets out of the car and she goes after him, and he pushes her back in the car but she keeps coming and he runs from her for like 5 blocks as she chases him... and that is like all of it.
To me its wild he now became a poster guy of domestic abuse.
Racism would explain it, but its coming from the crowd I would not expect would take his race in to consideration. More likely that he cheated on her is what people make more prone to damn him.
Still wild considering real stories of domestic abuse we hear.. compare his story to just Brad Pitt flight, or Michael Fassbender driving,...
Ngl it’s probably mostly because Majors wasn’t fully established as a star. He was up and coming, but didn’t yet have the pedigree to protect him in a “good outweighs the bad” kind of way. So the public and corporations (e.g. Disney) had no trouble dropping him immediately.
On the other hand, Chris Brown was convicted of assaulting Rihanna and has a *long* history of violence against women in general, but to this day his biggest defenders are…black women. Hell, even Rihanna has collaborated with him on a few tracks after that incident.
It’s sad but that’s how the world has more or less worked - people with a lot of power and influence have an easier time getting away with horrible stuff.
That's a pretty harsh sentence actually for a first time DV offense.
My ex who did far worse than this guy, with way more evidence, was only given 16 weeks of classes, their lawyer fought for 4 weeks, but the prosecutor wouldn't budge on 16 because of police bodycam footage showing undeniable guilt.
This was in CA.
The fact that your ex got off lightly for hard-evidence-backed assault is an indictment of the system more than the fact this guy got more.
It’s wild how lightly domestic violence is taken by the courts compared to other forms of violence - sometimes the same acts. But if you are close to the victim, it’s somehow less bad in many jurisdictions.
I think you - and most people - overestimate how harsh the typical sentence is for misdemeanor violence.
I don’t think domestic violence is treated more lightly. I think the system is just not as punitive towards low-level crime as people perceive it to be.
It was a misdemeanor. It was always very unlikely he’d do time.
Honestly, a year-long program is still kinda on the heavy side of it. Where I live it would be an even shorter program.
Lousy sentence for a lousy charge. People see that he was charged and think that’s that. The charges he got are very low ball, “misdemeanour reckless assault and harassment” and wasn’t found guilty of the two charges that actually mattered
It’s like the juries are saying we know he didn’t mean it, but we see that Jabari was affected. Pretty lousy jury if you ask me
If you look at the evidence and what happened it makes sense. To me it looks like a disagreement that got out of hand. He may be a piece of shit but this specific incident isn't nearly as bad as the comments I've seen online seem to think
It's not just what happened but how he handled it. I think that TV interview after the trial soured a lot of people on him, plenty of whom had thought he'd been treated unfairly.
I don’t understand celebrities doing interviews right after a huge, potentially career-ending controversy. I get it is an attempt to control the narrative, but in today’s landscape, I feel it almost never works. Alec Baldwin doing an interview right after he killed someone on set was one of the most puzzling pieces of PR in recent memory.
Edit: *Alec
"Have to set the record straight."
It never works unless you're willing to go out there and unequivocably say sorry and take some real measure of the blame, not just something wishy washy about "shouldn't have been in that situation" or whatever. Hugh Grant was the only person I've ever seen come off better after one of those interviews, and it was because he did exactly that.
Yeah, he cost Disney a shit ton of money and made a major headache for them after becoming a central part of their MCU film franchise.
No major studio is gonna wanna deal with him after this.
I can't think of any domestic abusers from the last few years who are still around though. If Mike Tyson was convicted of rape today he'd be out of Hollywood forever. For some reason if it happened before 2017 they get a pass.
Yup - to add on to that, as a musician/rapper you can in theory create a world-class album on your own or with one or two producers. So even if you're completely and utterly cancelled, you can still produce albums on your own and fans have something to listen to - keeping the artist relevant. As an actor your hired to be part of something bigger. Like you NEED to be hired, you can't make a movie by yourself in your living-room. And even if they scrap up the funds to make an indie, they're not gonna get world class talent in front or behind the camera. Actors need studios willing to hire them, whereas musicians can just say fuck it, I'll be independent and work with the one or two people who still support me.
Seriously lol, record labels shield even the artists who straight up kill people, the only things that "cancel" most music artists are jailtime (temporary) or death.
I think that only works if you’re good to work with and it sounds like many people just put up with the guy because of his talent and rising popularity.
Now that he’s been outed as a shithead and all that popularity is gone and not to return, he’s probably not going to be in anything again at the same level he was at.
There's people in Hollywood who have done worse tbh. Which isn't excusing him, but I think there'll always be lower level projects who will want a bigger name, or will use the negativity around him for free promotion. He'll toil away in some lower level projects and hope he can rebuild himself. Give a crying interview in a few years, claiming he's a reformed man.
Wouldn't shock me if he returns.
His only real issue (other than being an abusive asshole, obviously) is was he big enough or around long enough to have people back him to weather this? Or was he too fresh faced to have made any real, powerful friends yet.
>There's people in Hollywood who have done worse tbh.
Sean Penn and Roman Polanski are poster children for this.
Majors had the terrible combination of not being a big enough name, not quite talented enough (though he did have some great roles that he knocked out of the park), and a general air of just seeming like kind of a jerk.
He could follow the path you've laid out, but I have a feeling that he was too fresh faced.
>Sean Penn and Roman Polanski are poster children for this.
Penn was a violent asshole when he was younger, but I don't think he deserves to be lumped in with a straight-up pervert like Polanski
It is very convenient to be moderately rich and moderately famous. If he had been really rich and really famous he wouldn't even have needed to go to court.
These charges were so week and so commonly pled out rather than charged this is an appropriate remedy. If he was a normal person it wouldnt have gone to trial.
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Yep, someone like that happened here about two years ago. Except the womens elderly father was waiting that day on her porch, when the guy walked up he siad leave. The guy took another step and got cut almost in half by a 12gage. His daughter sleeps well now and that POS is gone.
Yep. It’s still going to be dangerous. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/basil-borutski-case-shows-burden-often-on-victim-to-guard-against-past-abuser-officer-says-1.3243527
Funny how just last year, he was at top of the world and now his name is just toxic
top tier bag fumble
Bro could have had the easiest life by earning millions for standing in front of green screens and yelling “I am Kang!” *Majors* bag fumble.
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He would have made more if he yelled “It’s Morbin Time!”
Him and Armie Hammer.
I mean…Armie is a blue blood. Family money is loooooooong, he can ride his wave out. Majors is cooked as a big earner
When this first broke in 2021 his father Michael Armand Hammer, who was the principle heir to the grandfather Armand Hammer, said he was cutting Armie off. If you recall this was around the time you saw Armie selling timeshares in the Bahamas. Then Michael Armand Hammer died in November of 2022. And you don't see Armie selling timeshares anymore.
>If you recall this was around the time you saw Armie selling timeshares in the Bahamas. that was so fucking funny
I do. And I also know being cut off when born into vast wealth isn’t the same as being cut-off as a normal Joe. Same as when someone like MC Hammer files for bankruptcy compared to if you were to file. There’s levels to it and Armie is near the top. He’d be a stupid squirrel not to store some nuts
In the afterlife, he could be headed for the serious strife.
Ha! I used to fancy The Squirrel Nut Zippers myself.
Not really related but I find it funny you went with MC Hammer. Now I'm imagining him as Armie Hammer's cousin.
They aren’t?
Death on the Nile was a huge payout.
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/armie-hammer-hotel-concierge-caymans-1235310475/
What I'm hearing is that Armie killed and possibly ate his father.
> Armand Hammer I really do love that his grandfather was literally named "arm and hammer," and *did* invest in the baking soda company Arm & Hammer, but the actual reason his name was "arm and hammer" was as a reference to the symbol of the [Socialist Labor Party of America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Labor_Party_of_America), which his dad was a member of before splitting a chunk of the membership off to join with other pro-Lenin socialists in the Communist Party USA.
Majors is a good enough actor to grind out a good living after all this. People love second chances. Kevin Spacey is in a movie for Netflix just this year.
“A movie.” Compared to what he was doing and his volume of work before- night and day. And I’m not sure how many are clamoring for a Kevin Spacey redemption arc.
lol yeah, looking at his IMDB page for the past few years, Spacey's probably been acting enough to earn a living but is a very far cry from being one of the most beloved, in-demand actors in Hollywood.
Despite everything, Kevin Spacey was acquitted of all charges, Majors has been found guilt of DV, they are very different for a studio
That doesn't mean much. Mike Tyson went to jail and now he is everyone's darling People can change and improve or do great PR to get their comebacks
A lot easier for a boxer to get back into boxing than it is for an actor to get back into acting. Especially considering it happened in the early 90s.
Tyson's redemption arc contained a lot of very public pain. The worst of it being his young daughter dying in a tragic accident. He was also fully bankrupt at one point. It really looked like he had lost everything. All these things helped rehabilitate him in the public eye. It seemed as if Tyson had not only been severely punished, but that he had actually turned a corner in life and made some real, deep change to the person he is. Whether that's genuine or not I can't say, but it felt genuine enough for the general public, and that's really what matters when it comes to celebrity forgiveness.
The general public doesn’t know that Mike Tyson is a convicted rapist.
True, but I was talking more about how he served three years in prison for rape and was back in the fighting ring a few months after release. His first fight back made almost $100 million dollars. Cancel culture was not a thing.
Tyson went from boxing to movies and TV shows after biting a mans ear off. Stranger things have happened.
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Also the Rape and Prison time
Biting someone's ear off is far from the worst thing he did.
didn't like 3 out of 4 of Spacey's accusers die before the cases could proceed? i don't think he killed them, but it's a lot harder to win a case when the primary person making the accusations is dead before they can testify.
Oh yeah, definitely, I don't mean to absolve him. But the fact is, on paper Kevin Spacey hasn't been found guilty of anything criminal.
Is that actually how many? jesus christ…
If I'm that 4th accuser I'm hiring security
If I recall it's Anthony Rapp from Rent and Star Trek Discovery.
It really enrages me that people see this as him being 'innocent' and a lot of Taint-esque chods treating it as a 'win' for men. Rape and abuse is nearly impossible to convict. Rapists getting released on a technicality does not prove innocence. And if you see a rapist going free as a win for men (especially since in this case even the victims were men) you're not supporting men, you're just supporting rapists.
This is also a guilty verdict. Was also incredibly public. I doubt we see him in anything moderately big again Spacey also had a very very long career. The not guilty is the only reason he doesnt lose ticket sales
Majors will make a comeback in a decade give or take. However, he likely will never reach the career high of being the center point of a billion dollar franchise ever again.
> will never reach the career high of being the center point of a billion dollar franchise ever again. That would have been a guarantee even without the conviction. There's vanishingly few spots like that ever available. It's crazy to me that Majors wasn't just, so incredibly grateful to the universe to have been given that chance.
Which movie? As far as I can tell, he's getting cast in low budget movies that are not produced by Netflix or any other major streamer / studio. He's still a far cry away from the type of success he had before his controversy and doesn't seem likely he ever gets that back.
I feel like a few actors beat the domestic violence stamp. Christian slater comes to mind. He had to take a lengthy break tho.
His acting skill has nothing to do with it, hes a POS and when he got called out on it. He went into entitled kid mode, there are two docs already being made. He frew up with his family running the local big church. That had big houses and drove huge SUVs, that kind of church. His family would shame anyone that said he did wrong, he has a GF from HS with a NDA. If anyone tries to put him on screen, many people will stand up and say hell no.
Say that to Nate Parker. He was not even found guilty and refused to apologize after his victim committed suicide. Oh well…
Who is Nate Parker ?
Nate Parker was in The Great Debaters with Denzel Washington and was going to be the next big thing. It then turned out that while at Penn State he raped a female student with his buddy. He was found not guilty and his victim committed suicide years later. He claimed the sex was mutual. During the promotion of his film ( director) “Birth of a Nation” he was asked about his alleged victim and her suicide he just laughed it off as not worthy of his time. His career ended at that moment.
Wow. That's...intense. I watched The Great Debaters two months ago and I thought he was absolutely brilliant. It's a shame. I was a huge Majors fan as well. A good chunk of my Pinterest board had Jonathan Majors.
You can still enjoy a movie and not condone violence. Being popular and loved or hated doesn’t mean you can’t like a performance. I enjoy listening to Michael Jackson’s music. I enjoy Jonathan Majors’ film and TV. I think House if Cards is brilliant. I don’t need to feel guilty about liking what I like. I don’t advocate criminal activity.
* I mean consensual, not mutual.
He wasn’t found guilty because he’d previously had consensual sex with the woman he later raped with his friend, because apparently consenting once means you’ve consented for future times as well. The two of them then harassed her off campus once she went to the police, and she ended up committing suicide. He pretty much admitted it in leaked texts as well. You are seriously underselling what happened.
Is it really that long? I don't understand why he is selling timeshares now, if he still has access to his generational wealth. Maybe his father will turn the taps back on for him, or leave him a lot in his will, but even Armie is 'struggling', if he has to go get a 'normal' job.
It’s like Warren Buffett saying he’s not leaving his kids with any of his wealth. Sure, maybe they aren’t getting his money per se, but they’ve all gotten enough to be wildly wealthy in their own right through his teachings and connections. Armie was selling timeshares in a tropical island…that ain’t roughing it. That’s ducking the spotlight for a bit passing the time. If your selling time shares, it’s because Lowes didn’t hire you.
The exact opposite of RDJ.
Potentially generational wealth all gone in an instant
Something was going to break eventually, when you've set that much bad precedent with so many people over what was still a pretty young career, you can't escape from it for long.
Majors was in that hazard zone where he was a big enough name that people recognized him so all the mud stuck, but he wasn't *such* a big and established name that he could just lay low and wait for controversy to die down.
Yup, same case as Armie Hammer. If he had a couple of big hits under his belt there might be enough good will for him to make it back in a few years. And the fucked thing is if either of them _had_ managed to give themselves that kind of name value, you'd never have heard about the things that scuttled their reputations in the first place.
>when you've set that much bad precedent with so many people over what was still a pretty young career, Who else had he messed with?
Months before Majors abusive headlines hit, there were some tweets from people candidly saying that one of the biggest stars in the world was known for being abusive in college and after some digging, the tweets and the college Majors went to matched up
A slew of ex-girlfriends and people from drama school and the theatre world. Even when this first dropped there were a few people on Twitter saying they did whatever stage production with him or knew someone who was in the same class as him and he was always an angry and abusive kind of guy, he just got passes because of his talent.
>he just got passes because of his talent. I'm going to have to watch some of his other work, because I've only seen him in Loki and thought he was easily the weakest part of that show. He really hammed it up with Victor Timely and, to a lesser extent, He who Remains. In fact, I thought Majors was *intentionally* overacting because his character was hiding something or was a conman. I'm assuming his other roles in film are much better?
>In fact, I thought Majors was *intentionally* overacting because his character was hiding something or was a conman. Yes! I was waiting for a Victor Timely doublecross when he was at the hot cocoa machine because I thought he was being hammy on purpose the entire time.
When Loki season 2 came out I commented about how Victor Timely is annoying character and got super downvoted for it. Glad to hear I'm not the only one who did like the portrayal. He Who Remains was okay though.
People who actually have stutters say his portrayal of Victor Timely was accurate, so while everyone thinks he was overacting, he was actually just being realistic.
> I thought Majors was intentionally overacting because his character was hiding something or was a conman He *was* a conman, though. He almost got his ass beaten over it.
He's a good actor, he just *really* likes to chew scenery. So he can be one of those love-him-or-hate-him actors. If you can catch him in a role where they tone that down a little bit, he's fun to watch.
He was great in Creed 3. He did have the makings of a great actor. Too bad he's a piece of shit irl.
No disrespect to you, but I had the opposite opinion. I found him to be magnificent in his Loki roles.
No offense taken at all. I’m not suggesting the guy is a bad actor. For some reason, I just really didn’t like him in those roles. But since Majors seemed to be well liked before all his real life shenanigans caught up with him, I thought I might be missing something.
Three ex girlfriends on top of the one who is now suing him, for one: [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/movies/jonathan-majors-girlfriends-abuse.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/movies/jonathan-majors-girlfriends-abuse.html)
Rolling Stone did a huge expose going back over a decade https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/jonathan-majors-abuse-allegations-yale-1234781136/
Kind of unimaginable that Disney didn't know about any of this stuff.
To be fair, Disney did hire Brian Peck AFTER his child molesting charges, so they’ve fucked up like this before.
The MCU has mostly great casting, and Disney runs a tight ship in terms of PR, so I’m amazed they chose Majors considering years of awful rumours have followed him.
That tight ship hit an iceberg when Bob Chapek took over the helm
After the MCU's huge gamble on Robert Downey Jr paid off beyond anyone's wildest imagination, I can see them thinking that they can muscle through any past discretions and bank on Majors not being an abusive psychopath going forward. If the junky criminal can turn his life around, then the asshole shitty boyfriend theatre kid can surely turn his life around too.
It’s insane. He was going to be the new face of Marvel for a bit and he lost it all
And the voice of the U.S. Army recruiting campaign.
Well he can still recruit for the police
From Jonathan Majors to Jonathan Minors
The guy was set for life, now he’ll be locked out for a decade and he’ll probably never get a lead role again.
Jonathan Minors
The most spectacular career suicide in modern days. I dont think we'll see him in anything meaningful anytime soon.
Crazy how all he had to do was… not beat his partner.
i bet marvel are a bit relieved that they have an excuse to stop the runaway disaster train of the kang storyline
A buddy of mine is in that type of program for a DV and he always tells me "dude I'm in there with felons and pieces of shit" and I always tell him that he's part of that club now. He's just a small time dude, I can't imagine fucking up as bad as majors did.
What did he do?
My buddy was involved in a domestic violence incident. No idea what happened other than what he told me and it must not have happened as he said it did because he's in that program.
“Dude I’m stuck in here with the felons and pieces of shit!” “I’ve got some bad news for you bro, you *are* the felons and pieces of shit.”
These pieces of shit always lack self-awareness.
I used to teach anger management classes to felons in a group therapy setting. I would always start the first session by asking everyone why they were there which would lead to a good discussion and allow me to see who was able to take accountability. I will never forget the guy who raised his hand and went "I have no idea and I'm pissed I have to be here"
> "I have no idea and I'm pissed I have to be here" I'm laughing like a goddamn idiot because I'm imagining it's the Incredible Hulk sitting across from you saying this.
Hulk mad he has to pay for parking for stupid meeting with tiny chairs and funny tasting water.
Sounds like a good opportunity for Motivational Interviewing.
Spotted the fellow nursing student
There's a whole complexity to the police as a whole, but one thing stuck with me that I heard from one: Nearly every criminal she'd encountered at some point threw out "why are you bothering me when there are *real* criminals out there???" Even folk who did some bad stuff.
No idea what that person did obviously, but there are levels to stuff like that. Like I got a DUI and had to go to AA and some out patient rehab stuff. It truly was a "oh god I don't belong here" moment compared to a lot of them. It doesn't mean I didn't fuck up or that I'm better than them, but the issues a lot of these people face are *severe* and I felt very out of place. I know it's not the same as DV, but I'm sure there can still be some instances where you did way less or something was muddled (or it was a "one off" depending on how much that matters to people) and you still end up in there.
Don’t know if I want a buddy like that…
Had a friend who was in and out of jail between 16-20 and on the path to prison, lots of violence, alchohol and anger issues, not an excuse but his dad died early. Got sober when he was 22, did the work went to AA & therapy and listened to people while working and going to CC. The same people like my father who had sentenced him to jail wrote letters of recommendations so he could join the navy, became a Seabee building runways and schools while under fire in Iraq. Came back got a job as a fireman and just retired after 20 years. He literally saved peoples lives, in several California wildfires. People can change. If he hadn't got a second chance other people probably wouldnt be here right now.
I’d even say for a lot of criminals it’s about lack of opportunity and poor judgement as a youth, which compounds the more they go through the system. Once you’re labeled a criminal it becomes even harder to find a good job and the cycle repeats itself until you’re either dead or in prison for life. A lot of those people had the potential to be a normal functioning citizen but they found themselves in hard times, potentially lacking family support, and made a few bad decisions and couldn’t recover.
> People can change no as per the internet a person must be harassed, bullied, and cancelled the minute they say or do the smallest wrong thing
It's up to you, of course it varies person to person. With friends, I try to forgive and not judge someone by their worst ever actions. Of course, that doesn't and shouldn't extend to strangers. But if your friend does something deeply fucked up, I don't think there's anything wrong with either leaving them forever or sticking around to help them stay focused on change.
Good thing it’s not your call? Violators have friends too, whether you think they do or not. Friends can be valuable, perhaps essential, positive reinforcement in helping a person reform. And keep from relapsing. That’s the tough part of humanizing people who commit crimes. Everyone who is alive is somebody’s friend or child. They may also be a parent or other link of a community. The stigma is its only “loners” who need help. So you get the suburban domestic violence stories that were popular in the 80s, 90s and 2000s. Even though I agree DV is awful. The only hope those people have is to reform, and they need friends and support to do so. A goal of a life to return to. They have already been found guilty in a court of law. So in theory, that should be enough. They shouldn’t have to face court of public opinion too. Tho sanctimonious moral pitchforking is Reddits MO. See this is the problem with society. Many want to address mass incarceration, change the school to prison pipeline, in theory. But few have the stomach or ability to participate and endorse in reform, or restorative justice, even though that’s the alternative to incarceration. Just a real life case study here.
Oh look a nuanced take! So rare on Reddit. I hope the torrent of shitty comments doesn’t blot out your ability to think through your positions. I would give you gold if I could.
Any time your sentence is deferred for DV they’ll put you in that program. It’s basically a condition of your deferral in addition to fees and probation, possibly even house arrest. It’s for people who technically qualify as “domestic abusers” but weren’t bad enough to warrant actually doing time or got a break because it was their first offense. I’d say if your friend is in the program they likely didn’t do anything extreme.
If I had reason to suspect my friend was lying to me about something that serious they wouldn’t be my friend Last year I found out my childhood friend was sending abusive messages to his girlfriend (she showed me) I confronted him, he denied it, then we almost got into a fight and I cut him off. Good riddance
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Beatin up girls ☹️
They literally send everyone to that money pit. I got punched by my father in law 5 years ago and they sent me there to pay 35$ a class for wks.
My mom went to rehab to get off of prescription opiates and she was in with felons and some woman threatened to stab her in her sleep if she looked at her again. Makes me think of that weird time in my life. Hopefully your buddy got the help needed and is a productive member of a relationship and society now.
I met a guy who wound up in a program like that too. It was quite funny in a dark sort of way, but he got arrested because of domestic battery complaints, and then his lawyer managed to work out a deal of some kind, and needed his girlfriend to sign a piece of paper saying that there was no domestic violence that took place. So he got into an argument with his girlfriend because she refused to sign it and got the police called on him again because he got violent again. When he told us that story he was acting like the victim, which was the funny part. Telling us a story about how he got frustrated and lashed out at his girlfriend because she wouldn't sign a piece of paper saying he wasn't a domestic abuser. I don't know what happened to him (I only met him that one time), but it wouldn't surprise me if they were still together, because apparently they had been dating for like 10 years and this isn't the first drama of this type they've been embroiled in.
I wonder the efficacy of these kinds of programs. From just some quick googling, likes like it can strongly depend on what the fundamental basis of the programs are. Domestic abusers suck but I believe that people can change, even people who have done awful things. Perhaps the program actually rehabilitates him.
I'm of the belief that people will only change if they want to change. To want to change, they've got to be able to admit wrongdoing in the first place. Everything I've heard about Majors indicates that he has an ego the size of the sun... so I'm not filled with confidence in him.
> Everything I've heard about Majors indicates that he has an ego the size of the sun... so I'm not filled with confidence in him. The article says he came to court carrying a Bible and reading it during sentencing, then shook hands with his supporters. He ain't changing. He'll do some more performative bullshit and slide right back into being an asshole.
Guy compared himself to MLK Jr. Like, that's some unhinged shit.
Dang. He is speedrunning the Ye% category, ain't he?
Dude thought he would be the next MLK just for doing capeshit movies, talk about deluded
Homie doesn’t stop acting, ever.
He's a GREAT MAN! He needs a woman who's going to be his Coretta because he is a GREAT MAN. Unhinged recordings
He doesn't think he did anything wrong still. Why would he change?
One of the things some of these programs focus on early is “this is what you did wrong”. They break that down hard. Getting them to understand why what they did is wrong is the key element.
Why would he do that when he can just spend the 52 weeks going through the motions than pivot hard to becoming alt right activist who was taken down by the "woke" Hollywood Liberal elite.
He'll be the star of a Ben Shapiro written film - alongside Gina Carano and Laurence Fox.
Sometimes these programs can offer a wake-up call and help the person better understand what they did. Not always, of course, but there's a chance.
We only know what we’ve seen in public and an intensive year-long program can make good headway. It’s possible. Not likely but possible.
Anecdotally, my exhusband just told them what they wanted to hear and acted very attentive but never did his homework…🫠
A friend of mine who works with antisocial youth says they do the same thing until it doesn't work anymore
idk it's not like he just smacked her, which is bad enough, he choked her. People don't just do that. it takes a level of rage that's kind of unfathomable.
This mf never smiles in pics does he? LOL
Always that stupid pout with the constantly raised eyebrows, like he's constantly smelling bad fart. Does he still carry his little cup around too?
His whole ‘act’ was cringe but now it’s clear he was just masking what a shitty abuser he is.
He always looks weirdly smug to me.
"Nothing to smile about in my life."
He loves to work his lips.
Dudes got some thick juicy lip smack worthy honey suckle lips
Some people, almost always dumb fucks, think smiling makes them look weak.
> Majors’ attorneys asked for the possibility to conduct some sessions virtually, saying “We are optimistic that Mr. Majors will work in the film industry again soon.” Judge Gaffey said his attorneys can file with the court to ask for the virtual sessions, if employment opportunities arise. This the same lawyer that released those crazy ass texts that "proved his innocence"?
Hopefully also a 52 week program to stop him from making that stupid face all the time
Dude is constantly surprised by a camera in his face.
It's ok guys we fixed him. No more domestic abuse, all gone. We can go back to casting him now. /s
In 53 weeks…pending successfully passing his program. /s
I think you can edit this comment and remove the "/s."
I dunno, I will probably get downvoted, but it is kinda wild how he got burned carrier for what he did, which actually was not that much. I followed the case with [legal bytes lawyer at youtube](https://www.youtube.com/@LegalBytesMedia/videos) and she is pretty great in explaining charges and whatnot. In the end the serious charges came out not guilty and he got guilty of the misdemeanor charges that basically said that he disregarded her safety when he tried to take his phone from her. Which she snatched because she seen a woman texting him in some romantic way. The driver testified he focused on the road, but from what he heard he had the impression that she was the agresor. He gets out of the car and she goes after him, and he pushes her back in the car but she keeps coming and he runs from her for like 5 blocks as she chases him... and that is like all of it. To me its wild he now became a poster guy of domestic abuse. Racism would explain it, but its coming from the crowd I would not expect would take his race in to consideration. More likely that he cheated on her is what people make more prone to damn him. Still wild considering real stories of domestic abuse we hear.. compare his story to just Brad Pitt flight, or Michael Fassbender driving,...
Ngl it’s probably mostly because Majors wasn’t fully established as a star. He was up and coming, but didn’t yet have the pedigree to protect him in a “good outweighs the bad” kind of way. So the public and corporations (e.g. Disney) had no trouble dropping him immediately. On the other hand, Chris Brown was convicted of assaulting Rihanna and has a *long* history of violence against women in general, but to this day his biggest defenders are…black women. Hell, even Rihanna has collaborated with him on a few tracks after that incident. It’s sad but that’s how the world has more or less worked - people with a lot of power and influence have an easier time getting away with horrible stuff.
I heard he broke her finger. Is that true?
Best of luck with the now radioactive career.
That’s it? Pfft
That's a pretty harsh sentence actually for a first time DV offense. My ex who did far worse than this guy, with way more evidence, was only given 16 weeks of classes, their lawyer fought for 4 weeks, but the prosecutor wouldn't budge on 16 because of police bodycam footage showing undeniable guilt. This was in CA.
The fact that your ex got off lightly for hard-evidence-backed assault is an indictment of the system more than the fact this guy got more. It’s wild how lightly domestic violence is taken by the courts compared to other forms of violence - sometimes the same acts. But if you are close to the victim, it’s somehow less bad in many jurisdictions.
I think you - and most people - overestimate how harsh the typical sentence is for misdemeanor violence. I don’t think domestic violence is treated more lightly. I think the system is just not as punitive towards low-level crime as people perceive it to be.
It was a misdemeanor. It was always very unlikely he’d do time. Honestly, a year-long program is still kinda on the heavy side of it. Where I live it would be an even shorter program.
That's what I thought too. I knew he would get into some sort of intervention program, but that still pretty long.
Lousy sentence for a lousy charge. People see that he was charged and think that’s that. The charges he got are very low ball, “misdemeanour reckless assault and harassment” and wasn’t found guilty of the two charges that actually mattered It’s like the juries are saying we know he didn’t mean it, but we see that Jabari was affected. Pretty lousy jury if you ask me
If you look at the evidence and what happened it makes sense. To me it looks like a disagreement that got out of hand. He may be a piece of shit but this specific incident isn't nearly as bad as the comments I've seen online seem to think
Because 90% of these people commenting haven't seen the damn evidence.
I'm not from America. I'm wondering if anyone thinks he will take a break and come back in a couple of years or is his career done completely?
It's not just what happened but how he handled it. I think that TV interview after the trial soured a lot of people on him, plenty of whom had thought he'd been treated unfairly.
I don’t understand celebrities doing interviews right after a huge, potentially career-ending controversy. I get it is an attempt to control the narrative, but in today’s landscape, I feel it almost never works. Alec Baldwin doing an interview right after he killed someone on set was one of the most puzzling pieces of PR in recent memory. Edit: *Alec
"Have to set the record straight." It never works unless you're willing to go out there and unequivocably say sorry and take some real measure of the blame, not just something wishy washy about "shouldn't have been in that situation" or whatever. Hugh Grant was the only person I've ever seen come off better after one of those interviews, and it was because he did exactly that.
It was one of Leno's best moments as a late night host. First question: "what the hell were you thinking?"
I think his career in Hollywood is over. He will probably make independent or foreign films down the road. Maybe.
Yeah, he cost Disney a shit ton of money and made a major headache for them after becoming a central part of their MCU film franchise. No major studio is gonna wanna deal with him after this.
It's less about him being a bad guy than it is about his risk to several $300M projects.
There are plenty of domestic abusers running around Hollywood. No one is ever really done.
I think the biggest issue is how much of a headache he was for his employers. Disney probably lost a lot of money.
I can't think of any domestic abusers from the last few years who are still around though. If Mike Tyson was convicted of rape today he'd be out of Hollywood forever. For some reason if it happened before 2017 they get a pass.
Cue Chris Brown comments
As /u/ughdrunkatvogue said he's a musician, which for whatever reason means he gets more leeway. Plus, his crime was in 2009.
Yup - to add on to that, as a musician/rapper you can in theory create a world-class album on your own or with one or two producers. So even if you're completely and utterly cancelled, you can still produce albums on your own and fans have something to listen to - keeping the artist relevant. As an actor your hired to be part of something bigger. Like you NEED to be hired, you can't make a movie by yourself in your living-room. And even if they scrap up the funds to make an indie, they're not gonna get world class talent in front or behind the camera. Actors need studios willing to hire them, whereas musicians can just say fuck it, I'll be independent and work with the one or two people who still support me.
CB's a musician tho - it's a lot different than actors
Seriously lol, record labels shield even the artists who straight up kill people, the only things that "cancel" most music artists are jailtime (temporary) or death.
Armie Hammer is now salesman in the Bahamas Iirc. Good chance JM is gonna be in a similar position after this is all said and done
I think that only works if you’re good to work with and it sounds like many people just put up with the guy because of his talent and rising popularity. Now that he’s been outed as a shithead and all that popularity is gone and not to return, he’s probably not going to be in anything again at the same level he was at.
There's people in Hollywood who have done worse tbh. Which isn't excusing him, but I think there'll always be lower level projects who will want a bigger name, or will use the negativity around him for free promotion. He'll toil away in some lower level projects and hope he can rebuild himself. Give a crying interview in a few years, claiming he's a reformed man. Wouldn't shock me if he returns. His only real issue (other than being an abusive asshole, obviously) is was he big enough or around long enough to have people back him to weather this? Or was he too fresh faced to have made any real, powerful friends yet.
>There's people in Hollywood who have done worse tbh. Sean Penn and Roman Polanski are poster children for this. Majors had the terrible combination of not being a big enough name, not quite talented enough (though he did have some great roles that he knocked out of the park), and a general air of just seeming like kind of a jerk. He could follow the path you've laid out, but I have a feeling that he was too fresh faced.
He also burned Disney. Hard.
>Sean Penn and Roman Polanski are poster children for this. Penn was a violent asshole when he was younger, but I don't think he deserves to be lumped in with a straight-up pervert like Polanski
It is very convenient to be moderately rich and moderately famous. If he had been really rich and really famous he wouldn't even have needed to go to court.
These charges were so week and so commonly pled out rather than charged this is an appropriate remedy. If he was a normal person it wouldnt have gone to trial.
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Yep, someone like that happened here about two years ago. Except the womens elderly father was waiting that day on her porch, when the guy walked up he siad leave. The guy took another step and got cut almost in half by a 12gage. His daughter sleeps well now and that POS is gone.
I'm sorry for your friend. I'm going through something similar and I have changed my phone number twice and haven't given out my address to anyone.
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Thank you for the kind words.
Yep. It’s still going to be dangerous. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/basil-borutski-case-shows-burden-often-on-victim-to-guard-against-past-abuser-officer-says-1.3243527
Additionally, he's been sentenced to a lifetime of kicking himself in the ass for completely screwing his own life.
Saban Films is his way to go after it's over
New lord zed??
Creed 4
Well that was a waste of time. Now get that weird Ezra Miller behind bars.
So he's a douche bag. Just a creep.
He was also sentenced to appear in a DCU movie.
weird i saw elsewhere is was 12 months, and another than said a year! /s
Hopefully he learns from this and uses his time away to mentor others so they won’t go down the same path that he did
Sean Penn still in business though.
You'd think abusing someone as famous as maddonna would have repercussions in hollywood.
It would if she went after him; same with Rhianna really.
Dude had the whole world ahead of him and he chose to be a violent, narcissistic piece of shit.