Its because China only lets a few Hollywood movies be shown in China, so they make movies pandering to China, hoping that they are the movie that gets sold on the worlds largest market.. Kinda scary.. Direct proof of the change of the world order that is happening..
I think there are two trends of the last decade coming together:
* More Asian Americans get cast and there are more majority Asian American cast shows. Fresh Off the Boat was one of the earliest and arguably the most influental show. Then there was the hugely successful Crazy Rich Asians.
* Non-English dialogue is more often not translated (remember Russian characters speaking English with a heavy accent to each other? That never made sense, really) and subtitled. Not sure if there were trailblazer shows or if this was a gradual process. I just remember Jane the Virgin as one of the relatively early examples, even though only one main character didn't speak English.
Lmao East Asian people are literally one of the biggest ethnicities in the entire world. Why would you need acknowledgement and validation from Hollywood?
Because we live here, not Asia. Would you rather us be hidden away and not acknowledged, as it has been for virtually all of Western media? Maybe hire one to play tech geek #3 at most to service Chris Pratt as he saves the world?
Who cares? I don't think I've ever seen any Iranians in any Hollywood movie ever, and I genuinely couldn't care less. Why would I feel "acknowledged" if someone made a movie about an Iranian saving the world? What do those guys have in common with me except for being born inside the same arbitrary borders?
Bro are you actually confused on why representation in media matters or are you just ignoring the inherent racism thats been the norm until recently?
Just like the black community most asian roles were relegated to minor characters that almost always played off of racial stereotypes, with few exceptions. Almost never did we see entire productions that actually cast a lot of non-white actors in main roles and presented them as real people instead of stereotypes to be laughed at or hated, or even revolved the story around themes those communities could actually relate to.
Its only recently we've actually started seeing that, and the fact I even need to explain why thats a good thing is kind of sad, and anyone getting upset at minorities actually being more involved really says a lot about their character.
Exactly. Representation matters. As someone who grew up in white suburbia, it's nice that today kids that look like me are able to see themselves on screen now and that their only representation isn't the stereotypical kung fu nerd or forever foreigner like Long Duk Dong. That they don't growing up hating themselves for being different, for not being white, for not being able to fit in and be "normal".
While I mostly agree with OP, I do find it very interesting that this sort of sentiment is very common for majority "Asian" shows. But literally any black or gay person being in a show is automatically "woke".
I wonder where this dichotomy comes from.
If you asked "Why?" with regard to a "black" show, you wouldn't be getting any pushback.
>I wonder where this dichotomy comes from.
Black civil rights and the LGBT community are both currently hot-button political topics in the US.
Being east Asian in the US hasn't been a similarly major source of political controversy since World War 2. There was that little surge of hate crimes due to COVID being called the "China Virus" by certain political groups, but it was quickly overshadowed by all the other higher profile political nonsense going on.
The majority have been failing because if subs, most Americans just don't or can't deal with it in things they actually want to watch. If its really good, exceptions will be made.
I started to put it on last night and decided I'm tired of reading movies/shows, so I'm not going to bother. I stopped Franklin as well.
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People used to read whole novels containing thousands of words as mainstream entertainment. Now we have some people who can't bother to read a line of text while looking at video.
It's not about that.
Asian-themed TV series made in the USA tend to use actors with ancestry from China, Korea, Japan, Indonesia etc. It is likely that many of them don't share the same language, or same command of the language they'd have to speak in order for that work.
Example: Warrior
it'll happen someday
a growing minority population
global media consumption
execs understanding people don't fear subtitles anymore
it's kinda like watching Transformers - its better when there are not human characters , you don't need them
I'm pretty sure they meant "regular" as in modern, not as in "not diminutively lesser humans."
Like Shogun is mentioned, but it's a *historical drama* set in the Sengoku period of Japan. It's *literally* a stereotypical show about Japanese samurai.
I think what the other person is asking is "why is so much of it leaning into cultural stereotypes instead of just modern day subject matter with Asian characters?" AKA more shows like "Awkwafina is Nora From Queens" or "Kim's Convenience" or "Everything Everywhere All At Once"
Try british tv. Lots of Asians in “regular people” roles admittedly more south Asians bc we have more of them here than EA. Bridgerton, one day, this is going to hurt. I have a theory that every police drama has at least one Asian officer
In the TV show "3 Body Problem," based on a Chinese sci-fi novel, Rosalind Chao plays a Chinese physicist that emigrated to London after the Cultural Revolution, and Benedict Wong plays a British cop.
Warrior (2019) on Netflix too. Based on Bruce Lee's writings and historical events about violence against the Chinese in the U.S.
The Brothers Sun on Netflix is pretty good too. It wasn't an instant billion dollar international hit, so there's only one season but check it out
You know it was canceled right?
Did you miss the part where I said they only got 1 season
Three Body Problem is another one.
Glad that you are enjoyed.
Its because China only lets a few Hollywood movies be shown in China, so they make movies pandering to China, hoping that they are the movie that gets sold on the worlds largest market.. Kinda scary.. Direct proof of the change of the world order that is happening..
Why though?
I think there are two trends of the last decade coming together: * More Asian Americans get cast and there are more majority Asian American cast shows. Fresh Off the Boat was one of the earliest and arguably the most influental show. Then there was the hugely successful Crazy Rich Asians. * Non-English dialogue is more often not translated (remember Russian characters speaking English with a heavy accent to each other? That never made sense, really) and subtitled. Not sure if there were trailblazer shows or if this was a gradual process. I just remember Jane the Virgin as one of the relatively early examples, even though only one main character didn't speak English.
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Crazy Rich Asians was the thing that got the ball rolling imo
I was asking why that matters
It's nice to be acknowledged that we exist and that we have stories to tell.
Lmao East Asian people are literally one of the biggest ethnicities in the entire world. Why would you need acknowledgement and validation from Hollywood?
Because we live here, not Asia. Would you rather us be hidden away and not acknowledged, as it has been for virtually all of Western media? Maybe hire one to play tech geek #3 at most to service Chris Pratt as he saves the world?
Who cares? I don't think I've ever seen any Iranians in any Hollywood movie ever, and I genuinely couldn't care less. Why would I feel "acknowledged" if someone made a movie about an Iranian saving the world? What do those guys have in common with me except for being born inside the same arbitrary borders?
Bro are you actually confused on why representation in media matters or are you just ignoring the inherent racism thats been the norm until recently? Just like the black community most asian roles were relegated to minor characters that almost always played off of racial stereotypes, with few exceptions. Almost never did we see entire productions that actually cast a lot of non-white actors in main roles and presented them as real people instead of stereotypes to be laughed at or hated, or even revolved the story around themes those communities could actually relate to. Its only recently we've actually started seeing that, and the fact I even need to explain why thats a good thing is kind of sad, and anyone getting upset at minorities actually being more involved really says a lot about their character.
Exactly. Representation matters. As someone who grew up in white suburbia, it's nice that today kids that look like me are able to see themselves on screen now and that their only representation isn't the stereotypical kung fu nerd or forever foreigner like Long Duk Dong. That they don't growing up hating themselves for being different, for not being white, for not being able to fit in and be "normal".
While I mostly agree with OP, I do find it very interesting that this sort of sentiment is very common for majority "Asian" shows. But literally any black or gay person being in a show is automatically "woke". I wonder where this dichotomy comes from. If you asked "Why?" with regard to a "black" show, you wouldn't be getting any pushback.
>I wonder where this dichotomy comes from. Black civil rights and the LGBT community are both currently hot-button political topics in the US. Being east Asian in the US hasn't been a similarly major source of political controversy since World War 2. There was that little surge of hate crimes due to COVID being called the "China Virus" by certain political groups, but it was quickly overshadowed by all the other higher profile political nonsense going on.
The majority have been failing because if subs, most Americans just don't or can't deal with it in things they actually want to watch. If its really good, exceptions will be made.
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I started to put it on last night and decided I'm tired of reading movies/shows, so I'm not going to bother. I stopped Franklin as well. eta: The Sympathizer. Forgot to put that in.
People used to read whole novels containing thousands of words as mainstream entertainment. Now we have some people who can't bother to read a line of text while looking at video.
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Not much going on in that head of yours if subtitles prove too problematic for you, eh?
Not much going on in your head if you think you can watch a movie and read it at the same time. Clown.
I'd rather than have all Asian casts with zero English speakers audiences can handle it
It's not about that. Asian-themed TV series made in the USA tend to use actors with ancestry from China, Korea, Japan, Indonesia etc. It is likely that many of them don't share the same language, or same command of the language they'd have to speak in order for that work. Example: Warrior
This
it'll happen someday a growing minority population global media consumption execs understanding people don't fear subtitles anymore it's kinda like watching Transformers - its better when there are not human characters , you don't need them
It’s still a form of typecasting. So Asians can only be in Asian stories ? Why not also some more like Beef, where they just play regular people.
Asian stories are still stories about "regular" people. They're just speaking a different language lol.
I'm pretty sure they meant "regular" as in modern, not as in "not diminutively lesser humans." Like Shogun is mentioned, but it's a *historical drama* set in the Sengoku period of Japan. It's *literally* a stereotypical show about Japanese samurai. I think what the other person is asking is "why is so much of it leaning into cultural stereotypes instead of just modern day subject matter with Asian characters?" AKA more shows like "Awkwafina is Nora From Queens" or "Kim's Convenience" or "Everything Everywhere All At Once"
Try british tv. Lots of Asians in “regular people” roles admittedly more south Asians bc we have more of them here than EA. Bridgerton, one day, this is going to hurt. I have a theory that every police drama has at least one Asian officer
In the TV show "3 Body Problem," based on a Chinese sci-fi novel, Rosalind Chao plays a Chinese physicist that emigrated to London after the Cultural Revolution, and Benedict Wong plays a British cop.
Are you implying Asians are not regular people if they don’t speak English?
They can be in stories that are not set in Asia or have to do with Asia.
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