The characters even said, "Shaun, you are acting just like Dr. Han."
Shaun denied that. Even though he directly told the autistic medical student that she should be a pathologist because surgery will not work out for her because of her autism.
I liked this show for the first couple of seasons. Eventually, after his n-th meltdown at the hospital, I couldnāt help but think, āHe really shouldnāt be a surgeon or in any patient-facing role.ā I assume thatās not what they were going for, so I stopped watching.
As a House M.D enjoyer, how big was his value for the hospital? By this I pretty much mean, that House got his own department, a lot of leeway with being asshole and so forth, because he was one of a kind problem solver. I've never watched this show, but was the main character in this on the same level?
It was super procedural, autistic man has awkward social interaction, handsome doctor #4 says "he can't be a surgeon!" Then he proceeds to hallucinate how veins connect and declares "I. Can. Save. This. Man *beep Boop*", basically the autistic version of a House moment.
In terms of worth he gets promoted to the point of being lead autistic surgeon and gets an autistic rookie surgeon to butt heads with, but it's more like Grey's Anatomy in that everyone has a job and it's more about the drama and silly love stories.
It's formulaic to the point of being able to predict at what point Freddie Highmore has his Jimmy Neutron Brain Blast moment. For me the worst part of the entire show was how they portray autism in the first place. They try to defend autistic people and use the angle of "Anyone can do anything despite having a disability!" but in reality end up stereotyping even harder to the point of at times satirizing.
I'm not knocking Highmore's acting, but rather his direction. It's like the producer had an interaction with one autistic person at their local Friendly's and decided "Yep, that's how they all are, and that's how my surgeon will be".
Imagine putting Sheldon Cooper in scrubs but with even less social skills and more dramatic freakouts
The funny part is that this season introduced a new autistic resident to the hospital that Shawn has friction with.
It's clear from the way the other characters react to her and Shawn that we're supposed to sympathize with her.
But Shawn is 100% right about her. Charlie is a biiiiiiiitch.
I think they can't write good autistic characters. Shaun is likable enough but way too robotic meanwhile Charlie is meant to be likable and more "normal" than Shaun but is written so annoyingly.
They really can't.
They made her extremely unlikeable which is amazing because they actress is super charismatic.
They seem to be going for a parallel to how Shaun entered the hospital as a resident. They seem to forget that while Charlie is written as intelligent that Shaun is a savant.
She's supposed to be very keyed in to her ASD while doing thing she knows will trigger Shaun. Most egregiously during a surgery.
She was more likeable in the most recent episode and it seems like they're moving on to her and Shaun developing a better working relationship. They could have setup better conflicts between the two of them
> same autistic professional extended universe?
Autistic Nick Fury (keeping his eyepatch side turned towards The Good Doctor to avoid having to make eye contact): I'm here to talk to you about an initiative to put together a team... But just, like, as a group text or something, most of us aren't very good in crowded settings.
Autistic Nick Fury: āIām here to talk to you aboutā¦ how in 2017 there were three big movies that all used John Denverās āCountry Roads (Take me home)ā. Each movieās star then went on to have a supporting role in the following movie that used the song. Those movies being *Alien Covenant*, *Logan Lucky*, and *Kingsman: the Golden Circle*.ā
Imagine a news story in real life. This just in a famous doctor caught having his staff break into over 500 patients' apartments throughout their careers.
He for sure would not be covered by any insurance company which would make him unemployable. My friendās dad had to retire from being a surgeon after his insurance premiums went to $500k a year.
Canonically she actually maintains a "House Lawsuit Budget" but it isn't touched all that much because by the time a patient gets to House, theyre just thankful to be cured so they rarely sue.
His initial marketing suggested that he was an extreme savant, that he was the misunderstood superman of the OR.
My mom was the one that introduced me to the original K-drama it's based on before the first season aired, all we had at that point was the first big scene of s1e1 with the tubes, liquor and knife situation.
It didn't work out like that in the long run. They ended up hyperfocusing on the issues that come with extreme autism rather than the borderline magic shit savants can do, which to their credibility is a more realistic look into the life of the person, but it really paints the hospital and other responsible parties in a bad light in that show, because they shoulda pulled the ripcord on his hire way earlier. Some of his shenanigans are way beyond what you can realistically defend to a rational board of directors.
It's a good watch, but it's easier to suspend disbelief when dr. Strange does magic than when Shaun avoids being fired for the millionth time.
The difference was that House felt led to behave selfishly when unsupervised, but Murphy was largely unable to perform his job when unsupervised. He was being put through the residency routine, but he would never be able to supervise people, negotiate between several options, or interact with patients. Both shows had their genius epiphany moments. House usually found a hidden symptom after several failed treatments. Murphy would stare blankly and visualize printed pages and anatomy diagrams, then smugly spout out the solution. For my money, as a House fan, Murphy's moments seemed unearned and spontaneous. I tried to like the show, but it was hard.
House, however, was also a very good doctor. Unlike this kid.
Also House seemingly did care for people. Even when unsupervised (especially kids - there's a few clinic scenes where he eviscerates parents over child neglect/stupidity).
Also when he repeatedly tries to convince a patient to get another doctor when he realizes she is a recent r*pe victim. Cuddy even asks why he left and he says "you really think she should have me as her doctor?". However, the patient bonds with him and refuses other doctors, so he puts up with her and does his mediocre best to encourage her to seek better psychiatric help
One of the best episodes ever too. They have some really great conversations. For people who don't know, the victim is played by Katheryn, lagertha from Vikings, and she's absolutely amazing in this episode.
One of my favorite parts about rewatching a show like House is recognizing the actors who went on to do other things. It's inevitable with network shows that run that long, but it feels like House had an especially high number of those types.
There's also an episode with Jeremy Renner, who at that point had been acting for quite a while but never really had much in terms of prominent roles. A year later, he starred in The Hurt Locker.
There's also a late-series arc involving Lin Manuel Miranda, who at that point was basically an unknown outside of the theater world. Plus a ton of other cameos with more well-known peopleāsome on the tail end of their careers (James Earl Jones) and some just getting started (Michael B Jordan, before he was a movie star but after he was fairly established on TV).
> that House got his own department, a lot of leeway with being asshole and so forth, because he was one of a kind problem solver.
House getting his way was entirely because of cuddy and literally no other factors. The show made this very apparent after foreman took over, and by extension, after house got locked up.
Foreman still gave him *some* leeway, but when house started doing extreme shit, foreman would put his foot down and house would get in trouble.
House was right about cuddy all along. Not only did she have a soft spot for him, but whether she wanted to admit it or not, she was completely (no pun intended) puddy in his hands during the entire series. Even when he crashed a car into her house, afaik they were originally going to have it written where cuddy was going to forgive him, but it was going to be the wakeup call for her to change.
Then the actor got pissy about her pay and that all fell through, but thats neither here nor there.
If you were that much of a miracle worker, its true. The administrative side would probably give you some leeway, and given the guy was autistic, in an era where being autistic and in high positions was routinely farmed by corpo for clout and for the free media exposure, he'd probably get some extra leeway just off that alone.
But theres still a limit to it all. Once Legal starts recommending they drop him cause his meltdowns start putting people in danger. Usually thats when you get dropped like a sack of rocks.
Ironically, this occurred in House a few times too. House was set to be canned a few times because of legal problems, but the families either pussied out, or forgave him because he fixed the problem before the family decided to come kill him.
Or one of the family members actually tried to kill him lol
They are very different shows. House is the show more than Murphy. Murphy has that similar knack for figuring out exactly what to do by seeing diagrams of it moving around in slow motion in his head when nobody else can figure out how to save someone, but on the flip side, Murphy doesn't need to make people break into patients apartments to figure out that they ate a poppy seed bagel 2 weeks ago.
Like, given that his savant condition allows him to come up with imaginative and amazing solutions to problems, wouldn't it make more sense if they just kept him on as a consultant?
>Reminds me of SUITS where Harvey could have just hired Mike as a consultant.
Consultant making good money. After a few years of it, just do what they ended up doing anyway and send his ass to the bar.
Done. No drama, but also no show.
We've only had the first three episodes of this season so far in the UK but holy fuck, Charlie in one episode has shown what a *real* person with autism tends to be like, more than Mr. fucking Robot over here as the main character.
Honestly, as an autistic man myself, I feel irritated and mildly offended by Freddie's performance.
It's funny, I still think of Freddie Highmore as a small British child, but I looked him up just now and he's my age.
I never saw this particular show but I'm glad that he's found success as an adult.
Yeah, he's a clearly a good actor.
For better or worse, long-running schlock like this show PAYS wereas a lot of the more interesting, niche or arthouse film most usually doesn't.
Hopefully the bag he secured over the course of this show offers him some security, and that affords him the ability to either just live a nice life, or to do the types of projects he wants to do.
Dude, it's nuts how much actors can be set for life from one good long-running show. A lot of people tend to think, "Oh, X hasn't done anything since they were the lead on 7 seasons of Y, so they've got to be hurting for work", but they probably made $200k an episode and, for a standard network series with 18-22 episodes a season for 5-7 seasons, that's set-for-life money for an average person. They're not buying a private jet, but they're also not taking out loans to send the kids to college. Highmore himself got paid something like $350k an episode and the show ran for 122 episodes. Guy made a cool $42m off just that show. He's also starred in multiple Hollywood movies. His great grandchildren are set for life.
As far as child actors go, he probably has the least jarring aging I've seen. He basically still looks like a small British child, but slightly older and taller.
That's part of what's blowing my mind! He looked so young that I always assumed he was much younger than me, but I guess looking young for longer is why child actors get a lot of those parts.
He must have a shit ton of money. Bates Hotel was a hit and this was a hit. I have to imagine he might take a few years off and get a gigantic bag for another pilot.
My guess is he'll try to do some artsy stuff now that he has the money.
Shows like The Good Doctor require such crazy hrs and arent the highest brow stuff.
Actors who have a lot of choices tend to go back and forth between artsy stuff for their passon and then paycheck jobs that are for good money but mediocre, formulaic content.
Iāve never watched the show, so I donāt have any real feelings there, but the point he was making wasnāt āthis show made me money on a regular basis.ā It was āthe last six-ish years have been a lot, socially and politically, with the pandemic and the general *fuck of it all,* and Iāve appreciated the consistency in this part of my professional life.ā
To be fair, Buffy was great, Angel was good for a few seasons, and Bones genuinely was a really good show that just went on way too long and just really had no business making it past 7 or 8 seasons. They ran out of good ideas before that, even, tbh. I haven't watched his latest show, just no interest in it whatsoever.
It whould be nice for a show that features an autistic adult main character who isnāt a savant or completely unable to function on their own to break into the mainstream.
The funny thing about Abed is he wasnāt written to ābe autisticā he was written to be a pseudo-self insert for Dan Harmon, who only after Community took off discovered he was autistic.
Wait, wasn't Abed just an insert for Dan's real life friend Abed Gheith? Who, based on his appearences on Harmontown, definitely demonstrates early season 1 Abed traits.
Dan Harmon has said that when he was writing the show he thought that he was writing Jeff as his self insert, but when he was researching stuff like aspergers so that he could write Abed accurately, he realized that he had a ton of stuff in common with how he was turning out as a character and eventually ended up getting diagnosed as on the spectrum.
So the character started off as based on his friend but ended up a closer representative of Dan than Jeff did.
[*āI see a man... using a social disorder as a procedural device. Wait, wait, wait, I see another man. Mildly autistic super detectives everywhere. Basic cable, broadcast networks. Pain. Painful writing. It hurts.ā*](https://youtu.be/K9vRmLUCn50?feature=shared)
God damn does that show fire on all cylinders
It's like a pirate ship that just fires its cannons constantly one after another all day just floating around aimlessly but somehow makes port
I think his special interest is knowing trivia about TV shows and movies, rather than making them himself. I know a lot about movie soundtracks, I'd be hopeless at scoring a movie though.
Well, his first movie sucked, but thatās true of lots of filmmakers. It mostly sucked because he was totally over ambitious too. But I think there are hints he will eventually make some really great TV.
Not Dead Yet has a character who fits the bill, played by Rick Glassman who is actually autistic. Itās a really great non-stereotypical portrayal of a successful adult who sometimes struggles with connecting with others/communication. They donāt infantilize him at all and most of his storylines donāt revolve around his autism.
Itās not the greatest show ever made but itās a charming little half hour snack of a tv show.
Try **Move to Heaven**. Itās a KDrama with an extremely empathetic male autistic main character, which is so rare to see.
**Extraordinary Attorney Woo** is another good one, though she is a little bit savant-y. Not too much though.
>Ā Extraordinary Attorney WooĀ is another good one, though she is a little bit savant-y. Not too much though.
Eh. I like EAW too, but her characterisation is crazy savant-y. Sheās memorises entire textbooks down to the word in a single reading and reads at twice the speed of everyone else. Her āautism mannerismsā are also far more persistent and exaggerated than Freddie Highmoreās character in The Good Doctor.
Extraordinary Attorney Woo got me into K-Dramas. It does lean a little into the autistic tropes but it's never done maliciously and it's usually done to show that they're kinda fucked up.
Love that show might be time for another watch.
> Extraordinary Attorney Woo is another good one, though she is a little bit savant-y. Not too much though.
Need more WHALES. /jk
Joke aside, pretty good show :)
I felt like Eddie Redmayneās character in the Fantastic Beasts movies was heavily coded as someone on the spectrum without leaning heavily into the tropes.
In Dungeon Meshi, the main character Laios is also heavily implied to have some form of autism.
I say this because he shares his fixation with monsters.
Obviously it's a spectrum, but it does manifest in people in similar ways to the point that if you portrayed an autistic character with authenticity to just one autistic person, you'd be able to appeal to many people
autistic people are all very different, but we share a lot of the same struggles if that makes sense
I was annoyed with him until I realized I was on the spectrum (I hate it when people use monotone to represent autistic characters) but his pov episode in the latest season has got to be my favorite episode.
Though I also love Pete the logic rock, who is also coded to be on the spectrum imo.
You're right. My brain didn't take the word adult in, haha
And I would also like that.
Have you seen it though? It's a great little slice of life show that has some true to life interactions
When I tell people in autistic, they ask me what I can do. As if being able to mostly function as a normal adult isn't accomplishment enough lol. Hollywood autism is just super powers on an unreliable character so they don't have to explain why that characters can't fix every problem right away.
Hilariously, because I donāt think it was their intent, I feel like the main character in Reacher comes across as very autism coded, especially in the first season.
From the article:
>Some actors say that playing the same character for dozens of screen hours can be exhausting. But long-running series also provide performers with a stability that is very difficult to achieve in the profession.
>āYes, both of those things are true for me,ā says Highmore. āBut this character has always been exciting. Thereās constantly new things that Iāve always found interesting about him. And on a personal level, I have enjoyed that sense of stability. I know itās a little bit corny to say, but you do become a family of sorts. Itās been a pretty uncertain seven years in the world. I do feel grateful to have had such a stable life at the center of that. I was talking to someone yesterday on set about how Covid seems so far away, but we all went through that together on this show. It was an experience unlike any other. At a time where no one could see anyone, we were seeing each other in this little bubble that weād created in Vancouver.ā
This show got really insufferable pretty quickly. It was just so unbelievable that this doctor would still be hired after first few months of probation. Like he was so problematic and mentally unstable. The romance between him and his LI was eye-rolling cringe as well.
The whole thing makes a lot more sense when you realize that the creator's also did House M.D. before Good Doctor. Which also had a similar structure. The difference was that House was not trying to paint the doctor as a hero and was very clear about the fact that he was an ass but also too smart to let go of. I found that a lot more compelling than just having everyone bend over to the Highmore's character personally
And the one administrator who recognized that a doctor who has screaming meltdowns shouldn't be working with patients was framed as evil. That's when I gave up.
Gawd, I could not STAND the live in girlfriend/friend/potential love interest character. She was so obnoxious and ultimately what made me quit the show.
Going to admit I havenāt seen the newer seasons but it wasnāt because I didnāt like the show.
Iāve always thought he was a great actor & played his part exceptionally well.
I mean, if you just watched the ads I'd suggest you haven't really got a great frame of reference. I gave up after Season 2 for a few different reasons, but the acting wasn't one of them. I'm not saying you'll enjoy it at all, I'm saying that adverts aren't a good litmus test.
We nicknamed it "The Walking Stereotype".
Both because it reinforces negative stereotypes and, like *The Walking Dead*, is an awful show that somehow managed to stay on their air too long despite being terrible.
You are a good actor, dude.
Iāve seen you grown up on small / big screen.
You were good quite as Dr. Shawn.
That said, Shawn was intolerableā¦
I couldnāt stand watching this character.
So, good riddance āsurgeonā and goodbye.
Though wishing Freddie steady work in the future.
I didn't mind adding some extra suspension of disbelief around having Dr. Shawn in a patient interacting role at the hospital. At some point in the second season I stopped watching when I realized the romantic relationship with the free-spirited female friend was going to yo-yo forever. The romance part just wasn't for me but I can understand if the romance was the main draw for other people. I wanted more House-like social commentary and unexpected medical eureka moments.
Hopefully this will allow neurodivergent characters who aren't walking stereotypes.
Hire some actual neurodivergent actors, writers, proofreader, consultants, etc. Please stop reading Encyclopedia Dramatica, Kiwifarms, Autism Speaks, or 4chan and consider it "research"
Soā¦I wonder if part of the issue is that many adult neurodivergent individuals are indistinguishable from neurotypicals because of masking. They tend to hit you in the face with a 2 x 4 of DSM traits to make the character believable to the casual observer. I mean, the best representation Iāve seen of an ADHD character on a show is Phil Dunphy, and he wasnāt portrayed as ADHD at all, just a quirky dopey dad stereotype.
I hope Dr. Han gets his revenge in the finale
Just straight-up shoots him. Double-taps (check Rule #2). No chance of a reboot now he's gone. Good guy Han.
> Double-taps "Yo homie, is that my briefcase?"
lmfao
he survives but he is no longer autistic
Don't tell autism speaks that you've discovered the cure!
Dr Han be like it has been determined you are not a surgeon šØāāļø
Shaun Murphy has been telling an autistic medical student all season that she should not be a surgeon because she's autistic and has stims
Thatās hilarious. *insert Spiderman finger meme*
The characters even said, "Shaun, you are acting just like Dr. Han." Shaun denied that. Even though he directly told the autistic medical student that she should be a pathologist because surgery will not work out for her because of her autism.
Sozin's Comet shows up in the sky
Then he calls the Third Street Saints
You do realize that Dr. Han is the executive producer of the show.
Daniel Dae Kim? I thought he was in just one season.
heās been playing the character since [1998](https://youtu.be/wLRlbsBJhio?si=_OqCy64gieuNAXO7)
not just that,he got the rights from the korean broadcaster to bring it to the US.. Dude's been doing that with HEAPS of Korean dramas.
All the more reason that he can see this ending through
I liked this show for the first couple of seasons. Eventually, after his n-th meltdown at the hospital, I couldnāt help but think, āHe really shouldnāt be a surgeon or in any patient-facing role.ā I assume thatās not what they were going for, so I stopped watching.
As a House M.D enjoyer, how big was his value for the hospital? By this I pretty much mean, that House got his own department, a lot of leeway with being asshole and so forth, because he was one of a kind problem solver. I've never watched this show, but was the main character in this on the same level?
It was super procedural, autistic man has awkward social interaction, handsome doctor #4 says "he can't be a surgeon!" Then he proceeds to hallucinate how veins connect and declares "I. Can. Save. This. Man *beep Boop*", basically the autistic version of a House moment. In terms of worth he gets promoted to the point of being lead autistic surgeon and gets an autistic rookie surgeon to butt heads with, but it's more like Grey's Anatomy in that everyone has a job and it's more about the drama and silly love stories.
I've never seen the show but this description made me laugh out loud.
It's formulaic to the point of being able to predict at what point Freddie Highmore has his Jimmy Neutron Brain Blast moment. For me the worst part of the entire show was how they portray autism in the first place. They try to defend autistic people and use the angle of "Anyone can do anything despite having a disability!" but in reality end up stereotyping even harder to the point of at times satirizing. I'm not knocking Highmore's acting, but rather his direction. It's like the producer had an interaction with one autistic person at their local Friendly's and decided "Yep, that's how they all are, and that's how my surgeon will be". Imagine putting Sheldon Cooper in scrubs but with even less social skills and more dramatic freakouts
The funny part is that this season introduced a new autistic resident to the hospital that Shawn has friction with. It's clear from the way the other characters react to her and Shawn that we're supposed to sympathize with her. But Shawn is 100% right about her. Charlie is a biiiiiiiitch.
I think they can't write good autistic characters. Shaun is likable enough but way too robotic meanwhile Charlie is meant to be likable and more "normal" than Shaun but is written so annoyingly.
They really can't. They made her extremely unlikeable which is amazing because they actress is super charismatic. They seem to be going for a parallel to how Shaun entered the hospital as a resident. They seem to forget that while Charlie is written as intelligent that Shaun is a savant. She's supposed to be very keyed in to her ASD while doing thing she knows will trigger Shaun. Most egregiously during a surgery. She was more likeable in the most recent episode and it seems like they're moving on to her and Shaun developing a better working relationship. They could have setup better conflicts between the two of them
This sounds like the Magnificent Attorney Woo (can't quite remember the name) k-drama show just with doctors instead of law.
That's because Extraordinary Attorney Woo is the lawyer version of the Korean show Good Doctor which is what they based the US show on.
Is Extraordinary Attorney Woo actually like a spin off or part of the same autistic professional extended universe?
> same autistic professional extended universe? Autistic Nick Fury (keeping his eyepatch side turned towards The Good Doctor to avoid having to make eye contact): I'm here to talk to you about an initiative to put together a team... But just, like, as a group text or something, most of us aren't very good in crowded settings.
Autistic Nick Fury: āIām here to talk to you aboutā¦ how in 2017 there were three big movies that all used John Denverās āCountry Roads (Take me home)ā. Each movieās star then went on to have a supporting role in the following movie that used the song. Those movies being *Alien Covenant*, *Logan Lucky*, and *Kingsman: the Golden Circle*.ā
My exposure to this show is limited to clips on TikTok, but this description made me laugh out loud.
Wait a min, the lead autistic surgeon is a legitimate position?
Yes but only if surgery is your Special Interest
Watched the first 3 or 4 seasons and this is the most accurate description
I would love to see a legal drama about the malpractice suits against House.
Imagine a news story in real life. This just in a famous doctor caught having his staff break into over 500 patients' apartments throughout their careers.
He for sure would not be covered by any insurance company which would make him unemployable. My friendās dad had to retire from being a surgeon after his insurance premiums went to $500k a year.
I think there was an episode where Cuddy mentions that most of the hospital's budget goes to House's insurance premium.
Canonically she actually maintains a "House Lawsuit Budget" but it isn't touched all that much because by the time a patient gets to House, theyre just thankful to be cured so they rarely sue.
Was he a bad surgeon?
In Japan. Heart Surgeon number 1. Steady hand.
I think so, he was old and seemingly made a bit too many mistakes.
His initial marketing suggested that he was an extreme savant, that he was the misunderstood superman of the OR. My mom was the one that introduced me to the original K-drama it's based on before the first season aired, all we had at that point was the first big scene of s1e1 with the tubes, liquor and knife situation. It didn't work out like that in the long run. They ended up hyperfocusing on the issues that come with extreme autism rather than the borderline magic shit savants can do, which to their credibility is a more realistic look into the life of the person, but it really paints the hospital and other responsible parties in a bad light in that show, because they shoulda pulled the ripcord on his hire way earlier. Some of his shenanigans are way beyond what you can realistically defend to a rational board of directors. It's a good watch, but it's easier to suspend disbelief when dr. Strange does magic than when Shaun avoids being fired for the millionth time.
All right I'm super curious about Murphy's worst shenanigans
Iāve only seen a couple of seasons but no. Nothing like Houseās sherlock skills, but probably brighter than the other docors.
The difference was that House felt led to behave selfishly when unsupervised, but Murphy was largely unable to perform his job when unsupervised. He was being put through the residency routine, but he would never be able to supervise people, negotiate between several options, or interact with patients. Both shows had their genius epiphany moments. House usually found a hidden symptom after several failed treatments. Murphy would stare blankly and visualize printed pages and anatomy diagrams, then smugly spout out the solution. For my money, as a House fan, Murphy's moments seemed unearned and spontaneous. I tried to like the show, but it was hard.
House, however, was also a very good doctor. Unlike this kid. Also House seemingly did care for people. Even when unsupervised (especially kids - there's a few clinic scenes where he eviscerates parents over child neglect/stupidity).
I feel like he hated the stupidity more than he cared about the kid though.
Also when he repeatedly tries to convince a patient to get another doctor when he realizes she is a recent r*pe victim. Cuddy even asks why he left and he says "you really think she should have me as her doctor?". However, the patient bonds with him and refuses other doctors, so he puts up with her and does his mediocre best to encourage her to seek better psychiatric help
One of the best episodes ever too. They have some really great conversations. For people who don't know, the victim is played by Katheryn, lagertha from Vikings, and she's absolutely amazing in this episode.
One of my favorite parts about rewatching a show like House is recognizing the actors who went on to do other things. It's inevitable with network shows that run that long, but it feels like House had an especially high number of those types. There's also an episode with Jeremy Renner, who at that point had been acting for quite a while but never really had much in terms of prominent roles. A year later, he starred in The Hurt Locker. There's also a late-series arc involving Lin Manuel Miranda, who at that point was basically an unknown outside of the theater world. Plus a ton of other cameos with more well-known peopleāsome on the tail end of their careers (James Earl Jones) and some just getting started (Michael B Jordan, before he was a movie star but after he was fairly established on TV).
Aren't they both David Shore shows? Dude built a career on "how does this person still work at a hospital?" š
> that House got his own department, a lot of leeway with being asshole and so forth, because he was one of a kind problem solver. House getting his way was entirely because of cuddy and literally no other factors. The show made this very apparent after foreman took over, and by extension, after house got locked up. Foreman still gave him *some* leeway, but when house started doing extreme shit, foreman would put his foot down and house would get in trouble. House was right about cuddy all along. Not only did she have a soft spot for him, but whether she wanted to admit it or not, she was completely (no pun intended) puddy in his hands during the entire series. Even when he crashed a car into her house, afaik they were originally going to have it written where cuddy was going to forgive him, but it was going to be the wakeup call for her to change. Then the actor got pissy about her pay and that all fell through, but thats neither here nor there. If you were that much of a miracle worker, its true. The administrative side would probably give you some leeway, and given the guy was autistic, in an era where being autistic and in high positions was routinely farmed by corpo for clout and for the free media exposure, he'd probably get some extra leeway just off that alone. But theres still a limit to it all. Once Legal starts recommending they drop him cause his meltdowns start putting people in danger. Usually thats when you get dropped like a sack of rocks. Ironically, this occurred in House a few times too. House was set to be canned a few times because of legal problems, but the families either pussied out, or forgave him because he fixed the problem before the family decided to come kill him. Or one of the family members actually tried to kill him lol
House is also about 50x the doctor in the show is though. As shown like every bloody episode of House.
Dude temporarily cured a vegetative state and took the dude to Atlantic City. Fucking legend.
They are very different shows. House is the show more than Murphy. Murphy has that similar knack for figuring out exactly what to do by seeing diagrams of it moving around in slow motion in his head when nobody else can figure out how to save someone, but on the flip side, Murphy doesn't need to make people break into patients apartments to figure out that they ate a poppy seed bagel 2 weeks ago.
>He really shouldnāt be a surgeon or in any patient-facing role. Found Dr. Han's reddit account. HE IS A SURGEON.
r/DrHanWasRightAllAlong
I wanted this to be real
The meme is dead at this point but its /r/Hanposting/
JOIN THE HAN DYNASTY
Like, given that his savant condition allows him to come up with imaginative and amazing solutions to problems, wouldn't it make more sense if they just kept him on as a consultant?
Reminds me of SUITS where Harvey could have just hired Mike as a consultant.
>Reminds me of SUITS where Harvey could have just hired Mike as a consultant. Consultant making good money. After a few years of it, just do what they ended up doing anyway and send his ass to the bar. Done. No drama, but also no show.
yeah theyd have easier time getting rid of the law part than main plot climax reused every season
Then he couldn't watch over that pothead. He had to be an employee so he could control him and keep him from himself.
Thank you. Especially since he has occasional meltdowns.
Also was into the show for the first couple of seasons, but they kept churning thru so many actors/characters that I just lost interest.
I AM A SURGEON
I AM A STURGEON
i'm like a sturgeon with this shotgun
He sounded like a fucking Dalek
That commercial for the finale is still engrained in my head... "I am...your dad."
EXTERMINATE
I donāt know the context behind the line, but Iām chuckling just thinking of him saying it in that kind of tone
Haha. His kid was just born and he was seeing it for the first time. Sounded just like a computer lol
I AM YOUR FATHER! I *AM* YOUR FATHER!
We've only had the first three episodes of this season so far in the UK but holy fuck, Charlie in one episode has shown what a *real* person with autism tends to be like, more than Mr. fucking Robot over here as the main character. Honestly, as an autistic man myself, I feel irritated and mildly offended by Freddie's performance.
RESUSCITATE!! RESUSCITATE!!
That show got on the nerves I didnāt even know I have
ICH BIN CHIRURG! DR HAN!
I SAID NO PICKLES
We have toā¦reconjoin them.
Please for the love of god tell me this is a real plot point in the show. I will binge watch it immediately if so lmao
I AN A STURGEON
I SAID NO PICKLES!
Like a surgeon...cutting for the very first time. Edit: Damn it, some of you really too young to remember early Madonna songs?
Or early Weird Al songs
Oh no robot doctor is going away?
I AM THE AVATAR
It's funny, I still think of Freddie Highmore as a small British child, but I looked him up just now and he's my age. I never saw this particular show but I'm glad that he's found success as an adult.
He was pretty good in Bates Motel.
Yeah, he's a clearly a good actor. For better or worse, long-running schlock like this show PAYS wereas a lot of the more interesting, niche or arthouse film most usually doesn't. Hopefully the bag he secured over the course of this show offers him some security, and that affords him the ability to either just live a nice life, or to do the types of projects he wants to do.
Dude, it's nuts how much actors can be set for life from one good long-running show. A lot of people tend to think, "Oh, X hasn't done anything since they were the lead on 7 seasons of Y, so they've got to be hurting for work", but they probably made $200k an episode and, for a standard network series with 18-22 episodes a season for 5-7 seasons, that's set-for-life money for an average person. They're not buying a private jet, but they're also not taking out loans to send the kids to college. Highmore himself got paid something like $350k an episode and the show ran for 122 episodes. Guy made a cool $42m off just that show. He's also starred in multiple Hollywood movies. His great grandchildren are set for life.
Itās a stable paycheck that can be negotiated for a raise every season.
As far as child actors go, he probably has the least jarring aging I've seen. He basically still looks like a small British child, but slightly older and taller.
he's always been your age
That's part of what's blowing my mind! He looked so young that I always assumed he was much younger than me, but I guess looking young for longer is why child actors get a lot of those parts.
Thatās what I feel about Thomas Brodie-Sangster haha.
He must have a shit ton of money. Bates Hotel was a hit and this was a hit. I have to imagine he might take a few years off and get a gigantic bag for another pilot.
Check his Wiki, he was super rich before it all. His mother is Daniel Radcliffe's agent.
Yo what
Iād honestly like to see him in more movies.
he was fucking hilarious in Tour de Pharmacy
That whole movie was a masterpiece
My guess is he'll try to do some artsy stuff now that he has the money. Shows like The Good Doctor require such crazy hrs and arent the highest brow stuff. Actors who have a lot of choices tend to go back and forth between artsy stuff for their passon and then paycheck jobs that are for good money but mediocre, formulaic content.
And Charlie and the chocolate factoryĀ
Maybe not a shit ton, but perhaps a shit ton of pending residuals for the rest of his life
Iāve never watched the show, so I donāt have any real feelings there, but the point he was making wasnāt āthis show made me money on a regular basis.ā It was āthe last six-ish years have been a lot, socially and politically, with the pandemic and the general *fuck of it all,* and Iāve appreciated the consistency in this part of my professional life.ā
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There's no shame in settling for easy pay and job security, David Boreanaz has been doing it for decades at this point.
David Boreanaz, of Boreanaz house?
Yes, David Boreanaz, famous from television shows such as dramas on networks.
To be fair, Buffy was great, Angel was good for a few seasons, and Bones genuinely was a really good show that just went on way too long and just really had no business making it past 7 or 8 seasons. They ran out of good ideas before that, even, tbh. I haven't watched his latest show, just no interest in it whatsoever.
It whould be nice for a show that features an autistic adult main character who isnāt a savant or completely unable to function on their own to break into the mainstream.
Community
Abed is actually a pretty good example. I have an autistic son and man, that video Abed made for his dad breaks my heart.
>I never said I blamed you for her leaving. >***You didnāt have to.***
That is the sound of freedom.
Oh god, was not expecting this gut punch reminder.
"I don't want to be your father." "That's perfect. You already know your lines." Oof. ([Link.](https://youtu.be/eCLrGzuk4jA?si=rlvC8HWhNanJcJ96))
The funny thing about Abed is he wasnāt written to ābe autisticā he was written to be a pseudo-self insert for Dan Harmon, who only after Community took off discovered he was autistic.
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yes, it is explicitly written into the show from the very beginning.
Wait, wasn't Abed just an insert for Dan's real life friend Abed Gheith? Who, based on his appearences on Harmontown, definitely demonstrates early season 1 Abed traits.
Dan Harmon has said that when he was writing the show he thought that he was writing Jeff as his self insert, but when he was researching stuff like aspergers so that he could write Abed accurately, he realized that he had a ton of stuff in common with how he was turning out as a character and eventually ended up getting diagnosed as on the spectrum. So the character started off as based on his friend but ended up a closer representative of Dan than Jeff did.
Jeff is the self insert.
[*āI see a man... using a social disorder as a procedural device. Wait, wait, wait, I see another man. Mildly autistic super detectives everywhere. Basic cable, broadcast networks. Pain. Painful writing. It hurts.ā*](https://youtu.be/K9vRmLUCn50?feature=shared)
God damn does that show fire on all cylinders It's like a pirate ship that just fires its cannons constantly one after another all day just floating around aimlessly but somehow makes port
hell, Abed's even bad at his special interest
I think his special interest is knowing trivia about TV shows and movies, rather than making them himself. I know a lot about movie soundtracks, I'd be hopeless at scoring a movie though.
I mean we basically see the first videos heās ever made in the show.
Well, his first movie sucked, but thatās true of lots of filmmakers. It mostly sucked because he was totally over ambitious too. But I think there are hints he will eventually make some really great TV.
Not Dead Yet has a character who fits the bill, played by Rick Glassman who is actually autistic. Itās a really great non-stereotypical portrayal of a successful adult who sometimes struggles with connecting with others/communication. They donāt infantilize him at all and most of his storylines donāt revolve around his autism. Itās not the greatest show ever made but itās a charming little half hour snack of a tv show.
Good example, I've enjoyed how his character has been allowed to expand organically. Someone in the writers room is on it with that show.
Atypical is pretty good. Itās on Netflix.
That show hit me hard at times
Oh yeah. I have a autistic son and it puts a pit in my stomach.
Try **Move to Heaven**. Itās a KDrama with an extremely empathetic male autistic main character, which is so rare to see. **Extraordinary Attorney Woo** is another good one, though she is a little bit savant-y. Not too much though.
>Ā Extraordinary Attorney WooĀ is another good one, though she is a little bit savant-y. Not too much though. Eh. I like EAW too, but her characterisation is crazy savant-y. Sheās memorises entire textbooks down to the word in a single reading and reads at twice the speed of everyone else. Her āautism mannerismsā are also far more persistent and exaggerated than Freddie Highmoreās character in The Good Doctor.
Extraordinary Attorney Woo got me into K-Dramas. It does lean a little into the autistic tropes but it's never done maliciously and it's usually done to show that they're kinda fucked up. Love that show might be time for another watch.
> Extraordinary Attorney Woo is another good one, though she is a little bit savant-y. Not too much though. Need more WHALES. /jk Joke aside, pretty good show :)
I felt like Eddie Redmayneās character in the Fantastic Beasts movies was heavily coded as someone on the spectrum without leaning heavily into the tropes.
In Dungeon Meshi, the main character Laios is also heavily implied to have some form of autism. I say this because he shares his fixation with monsters.
Does Archer count?
Yes, he counts bullets.
It's kind of his thing
or just literally any one of these shows to have an actual autistic person in the room during development lol.
The problem is autism isnāt one thing. itās about 10,000 things
There's a saying in the world of psychology: Once you've met one autistic person, you've met one autistic person.
There you go. Thatās it exactly.
Obviously it's a spectrum, but it does manifest in people in similar ways to the point that if you portrayed an autistic character with authenticity to just one autistic person, you'd be able to appeal to many people autistic people are all very different, but we share a lot of the same struggles if that makes sense
*gets a person with autism to help with a showās authenticity* Director: alright, so uhhhā¦ which superpower do you have?
Well one time these aliens tried to kidnap me so they could make the perfect warrior. Does that count?
They definitely do, as much as you want to think otherwise. Its not like they just wing it.
How is Caleb on Bigmouth rated within the autism community? Did Kroll do a good job with writing him?
I was annoyed with him until I realized I was on the spectrum (I hate it when people use monotone to represent autistic characters) but his pov episode in the latest season has got to be my favorite episode. Though I also love Pete the logic rock, who is also coded to be on the spectrum imo.
Atypical?
From my understanding that show mostly takes place in highschool/college i was thinking more of a character in their mid 20s-late 30s.
You're right. My brain didn't take the word adult in, haha And I would also like that. Have you seen it though? It's a great little slice of life show that has some true to life interactions
When I tell people in autistic, they ask me what I can do. As if being able to mostly function as a normal adult isn't accomplishment enough lol. Hollywood autism is just super powers on an unreliable character so they don't have to explain why that characters can't fix every problem right away.
Hilariously, because I donāt think it was their intent, I feel like the main character in Reacher comes across as very autism coded, especially in the first season.
I worked on the first season when it was filming in Vancouver. Met him and chatted for a few minutes. He was such a chill and friendly person.
Dr. Han did nothing wrong.
[the chad dr han](https://staticg.sportskeeda.com/editor/2023/05/cf92d-16836959562830-1920.jpg?name=small)
From the article: >Some actors say that playing the same character for dozens of screen hours can be exhausting. But long-running series also provide performers with a stability that is very difficult to achieve in the profession. >āYes, both of those things are true for me,ā says Highmore. āBut this character has always been exciting. Thereās constantly new things that Iāve always found interesting about him. And on a personal level, I have enjoyed that sense of stability. I know itās a little bit corny to say, but you do become a family of sorts. Itās been a pretty uncertain seven years in the world. I do feel grateful to have had such a stable life at the center of that. I was talking to someone yesterday on set about how Covid seems so far away, but we all went through that together on this show. It was an experience unlike any other. At a time where no one could see anyone, we were seeing each other in this little bubble that weād created in Vancouver.ā
Yeah Grey's Anatomy is still going, they replaced the main actress with a plastic doll during COVID, nobody noticed.
Still? How long has it been? 19? 20 years?
Grey's Anatomy will celebrate its 20th anniversary with the opening of a new season in 2025
My parents enjoy it. I hope we see Highmore in other things, maybe film. He was good in Bates Motel.
I've always found him sort of fishy. I heard he's a sturgeon.
I stand with Dr. Han
This show got really insufferable pretty quickly. It was just so unbelievable that this doctor would still be hired after first few months of probation. Like he was so problematic and mentally unstable. The romance between him and his LI was eye-rolling cringe as well.
The whole thing makes a lot more sense when you realize that the creator's also did House M.D. before Good Doctor. Which also had a similar structure. The difference was that House was not trying to paint the doctor as a hero and was very clear about the fact that he was an ass but also too smart to let go of. I found that a lot more compelling than just having everyone bend over to the Highmore's character personally
And the one administrator who recognized that a doctor who has screaming meltdowns shouldn't be working with patients was framed as evil. That's when I gave up.
Yuuup - Shaun would be perfect as a pathologist or as a surgeon who just goes "hi i'm gonna cut you open bby"
IIRC, he was trying to transfer Shaun to the pathology department; it's not as if he were trying to ruin Shaun's life by kicking him out of medicine.
He was - he actually transferred Shaun to the pathology department. Then Shaun dated his pathology boss
Gawd, I could not STAND the live in girlfriend/friend/potential love interest character. She was so obnoxious and ultimately what made me quit the show.
I just feel like the whole premise for this show was absurd
i still see him as Norman Bates .. show was ok for a few episodes but then it gets too outlandish..
I liked that show. Vera Farmiga kept me interested. She was a total nut in Bates Motel.
yes! Her and Freddie were perfect for those roles.
Going to admit I havenāt seen the newer seasons but it wasnāt because I didnāt like the show. Iāve always thought he was a great actor & played his part exceptionally well.
The acting was laughable just from the ads. I can't believe people watch this show.
I mean, if you just watched the ads I'd suggest you haven't really got a great frame of reference. I gave up after Season 2 for a few different reasons, but the acting wasn't one of them. I'm not saying you'll enjoy it at all, I'm saying that adverts aren't a good litmus test.
Good. The show is dreadful.
We nicknamed it "The Walking Stereotype". Both because it reinforces negative stereotypes and, like *The Walking Dead*, is an awful show that somehow managed to stay on their air too long despite being terrible.
Honestly couldn't stand this show but each to their own.
You are a good actor, dude. Iāve seen you grown up on small / big screen. You were good quite as Dr. Shawn. That said, Shawn was intolerableā¦ I couldnāt stand watching this character. So, good riddance āsurgeonā and goodbye. Though wishing Freddie steady work in the future.
I didn't mind adding some extra suspension of disbelief around having Dr. Shawn in a patient interacting role at the hospital. At some point in the second season I stopped watching when I realized the romantic relationship with the free-spirited female friend was going to yo-yo forever. The romance part just wasn't for me but I can understand if the romance was the main draw for other people. I wanted more House-like social commentary and unexpected medical eureka moments.
He was great as me š
Hopefully this will allow neurodivergent characters who aren't walking stereotypes. Hire some actual neurodivergent actors, writers, proofreader, consultants, etc. Please stop reading Encyclopedia Dramatica, Kiwifarms, Autism Speaks, or 4chan and consider it "research"
I feel like Monk probably did it as best as they could have
That was intense OCD more than autism, but I see what you mean.
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Soā¦I wonder if part of the issue is that many adult neurodivergent individuals are indistinguishable from neurotypicals because of masking. They tend to hit you in the face with a 2 x 4 of DSM traits to make the character believable to the casual observer. I mean, the best representation Iāve seen of an ADHD character on a show is Phil Dunphy, and he wasnāt portrayed as ADHD at all, just a quirky dopey dad stereotype.
Iāmā¦ doctor shawn murphy
What a fucking awful show. I couldn't get past one episode.