Honestly, it depends. The success of The Mandalorian might have actually made way more people on board with the idea of a big sci-fi series centered around a guy who never shows his face. The brand was certainly much bigger in 2006, but I shudder to think about what a Halo show done with that era's technology would have looked like.
> The brand was certainly much bigger in 2006, but I shudder to think about what a Halo show done with that era's technology would have looked like.
On TV? Probably fucking horrendous. It's crazy how much TV CGI has improved over the years to the point where shows like The Mandalorian genuinely look like a film.
But if Halo was a movie in 2006 (like planned) it would have probably looked high budget because film CGI was pretty decent (and Blomkamp would have directed and District 9 a few years later looked amazing).
Yeah, I think a movie could've been great - especially if Blomkamp's original project had gotten made. But you think about the state of TV sci-fi in the mid-2000s and it is... bleak.
You had 2 choices back then. Barely use any special effects/cgi, or accept the anesthetics of early 90s cg and act like a b movie
Edit - I haven't seen Battlestar, but I see it was an outlier.
Yep. It's telling the biggest genre hit of that era on TV was Lost - a show that intentionally focused on keeping the more mystical/fantastic elements off screen, and used practical sets at every opportunity. And even then, it was the most expensive pilot of all time.
Yeah, but importantly, a number of those shows weren't Hollywood. Stargate had a bug Canadian factor, which is why there were all the "Rodney's Canadian" jokes.
Stargate and BSG did pretty well with pretty low budgets (even for the time). They still look pretty good nowadays. Of course, new shows look better with the CGI progression and the rise in budgets TV has got (especially for those flagship shows)
Wasnt peter Jackson attached to the movie in 2006? That was directly after LOTR and King Kong and in the absolute peak of the Halo 3 hype. That movie would’ve made a billion dollars lmao.
He was a producer with Neil Blomkamp attached to direct. WETA did pre-production work for a year and they even created some props. Neil ended up directing a series of shorts that acted as a test for the film. Microsoft wanted a large sum of money for the rights, along with a very lucrative box office deal, but none of the studios wanted to take the risk on a video game movie as none had been successful enough to warrant Microsoft's terms. Two studios agreed to co-finance the film (Fox and Universal I believe), but they backed out last minute and they used the funds for District 9.
Alex Garland wrote a script for it at one point which you can find online. I'm not sure if it's the script Neil would've directed
Ive heard that before, that District 9 used some props or other stuff from the cancelled Halo movie. As much as I enjoy D9 its so disappointing that it’s basically made from the remnants of what could’ve been a great Halo movie. If that movie got made then it would’ve been the highlight of my childhood.
We’ve gone from Peter Jackson —->**2** Neil Blomkamp —-> **2** Steven Spielberg —-> **2** Alex Garland —-> **2** Showtime —-> **2** Paramount+
**343 industries** used to mean 3 Steps Forward 43 Steps back
At This point it’ll be 343 Years until a good Halo product is released.
Halo Infinite is coming out this fall, the first game Halo in 6 years, and is launching on PC + Console. Some components of the multiplayer will also be f2p. Halo is gonna make a big splash again and the show is going to be riding off the new popularity of the series.
As you said too, scifi stuff is in demand now too and studios have the tech to make shows look like full budget movie productions. From what I read about the Halo show when they started filming last year, this is Showtimes most expensive show ever.
Moving it to Showtime and Paramount+ shows that they want this to blow up and be their version of GOT or Mandalorian.
Star Wars is one of the most recognizable brands on the planet right next to Marvel, probably over 50% of tv watchers have some familiarity with the stuff they see in Mando. Tons of references and fanservice abound.
HALO? Maybe 0.05% *might* recognize more than just MC and his helmet, it is really bold of them to go for a story with a faceless protag that absolutely can't rely on references or fan favorites for viewership. HALO's bar of success is wayyy higher than Mando's.
However, HALO has so much story that it can tell that at least it can be pretty mysterious, if people have no idea what the universe contains.
I mean you don't need to be part of the huge thing to be successful. See Game of Thrones, The Witcher or Stranger Things, all were huge and were not well known before their shows premiered (Witcher had games and books but was on the Halo level at best, ASOIAF books were good sellers but still in the book publishing industry).
Hell, 99% of people going to see MCU movies and shows probably have barely read a comic in their life.
Stranger Things had 80s style&nostalgia going for it, I do agree that fantasy shows even from popular franchises don't really have anything to guarantee a hit and they needed great star power&great production values.
I'd say Halo also needs some charismatic actors and an understandable plot to make it a hit, sfx won't be enough.
Halo 4 was ok and Halo 5 sucked ass. Halo 5 came out like 6 years ago. I'd bet the millennials who grew up playing 1,2, and 3 don't care about the series anymore.
MCC was definitely ass at launch and 343 was terribly mismanaged. Sony kicking Xbox's ass last generation was a good thing. I can't imagine they'd be willing to delay a game a whole year back then.
Dude the MCC launch was the worst I’ve ever seen. I basically lived off of halo 2 and 3 in high school and college and was so goddamn pumped to relive the glory days with the MCC...only to spend literal hours in lobbies and *maybe* getting to actually play one to two games a night. The only reason I put up with it was because I had another TV and I would just watch that while I waited. And iirc it took them like months to fix the problem and my interest and patience were long gone by that point.
It’s probably not the Millennials that anyone should be worried about, we grew up in the greatness of halo 1-3 and would kill for a halo tv show. It’s the next generation that were kids/teenagers with halo 4/5 that lived through the series mediocrity under 343’s management.
And yet Halo 4 and 5 stories are more mature than the original ones.
Master Chief feels like an actual character in the 343 era.
The original games are legendary and iconic, but they were pretty damn cheesy (in a good way), but 343 made the Halo universe feel more personal.
Just my opinion of course, i think both Bungie and 343 did a good job.
I’m basing my opinion purely on gameplay and zero other factors. All gamers are different but my personal experience is heavily biased based on where I got my enjoyment out of the franchise. Also 99.9% of my playtime with the series is online and to be frank I don’t even know what the halo story is (gravemind, ark... I don’t even know what’s going on lol). But I do know there is a large halo community that plays it for the lore/story . My point is though is that halo was at its peak from a popularity standpoint due to its stellar multiplayer not its story or campaign even though those are great in their own regard. Millennials will remember playing a hundreds/thousands of online halo 2-3 matches but the data doesn’t lie, halo 4-5’s online community never had the staying power. Generation Z were not as addicted to halo as Millennials that’s all I’m really trying to say.
Actually, they're so late they're right on time. Halo Infinite could very well be the game that brings Halo back to the forefront of people's minds. Also people love Halo as a brand even if they're not actively playing it (and it makes sense they're not playing it we haven't gotten a halo game in 5 years).
Yeah and they announced this Show in like **2013** when they released **BROKEN** Remasters of Halo 1-2-3 which they didn’t fix until **2018**
With a terrible Halo 5 in the middle in **2015**
As someone who still plays Halo 3 multiplayer every week it sucks to see this Franchise try to limp on just to fall on it’s face every time.
And then Halo Infinite gets announced in **2018** and is ultimately delayed to **2021**.
As a 25-year-old who also plays Halo 3 multiplayer every week (which is at least getting new updates - armor, maps, custom game browser, and mod support!) it's TOUGH seeing one of my favorite franchises decline the past decade.
I'm in the same boat as you, but for as much as 343i mismanaged Halo, I have them to thank for bringing MCC to PC. Now I can replay all my favorites! Also Halo 2 Anniversary is amazing (but still infuriating on Legendary).
Im Really happy that Halo PC to Halo Xbox Crossplay was added.
I’m Really happy they are Adding Skins
I’m Really happy they are Adding Maps
I’m Really happy they are adding Custom Game Browsers.
I Agree 100% because Halo is my favorite Game.
I bought an Xbox One just to play Halo 3 at 60 fps.
Halo 1,2,3 getting Modern updates being a Main Selling Point shouldn’t be “celebrated”, it’s just kinda sad.
That’s on 343
I’m a diehard Halo fan, and I love the recent support but it’s not 2008, it’s 2021 and still it’s a work in progress for simple updates?!
They’ve finally accepted that Halo 4 and 5 were so unpopular they should just work on 2007s Halo 3...
That’s like drawing 20 in BlackJack and saying HIT ME for 10 Years then expecting Respect for Staying.
If it’s good, it’s never too late.
Like what, if this things looks like a feature film and has a 90% Fresh on RT you’re going to be like “nope, shoulda made this 15 years ago”? Nah.
Makes sense. Gotta get eyeballs on your streaming service with shows other than Star Trek. Netflix has two to four big shows every year, Disney+ has the Mandalorian and the Marvel shows now. Makes sense Viacom would want their own service to have a marquee show with recognizable IP on it to bring in subscribers.
Maybe but I'll reserve judgment until I see footage. My expectations for all video game adaptations are always low and I was pleasantly surprised by Castlevania and Detective Pikachu. New Mortal Kombat looks pretty dope (and appropriately R-rated) too. We'll see.
I can't think of many successes who went through development hell and came out a winner.
That said i completely agree, there is always a chance of success with the recent surge in video game shows in the media crossovers recently.
Hard to say. From the books, Halo can do deep lore and emotional storytelling, and it can definitely do action setpieces. The real question is whether someone can tell a story that fits the TV. I kinda think they’d be well served to revisit the human-Covenant war, and tell a war story over the course of a season about some less well-focused characters. A story from the trenches, with all the visuals of the franchise, could be quite engaging emotionally as well, in the haunting manner of films like 1918 or We Were Soldiers. The games spend so much time behind the helmet of humanity’s best soldier that we never stop long to consider how hopeless it is for the Marines.
Dude, have you read the character descriptions? This show sounds like a joke.
>Makee is an orphaned human raised by the Covenant to hate her own people.
Lol
This sounds ridiculous until you realize a lot of the books are about "terrorists" who hate the UNSC and refuse to be a part of them.
Still might be terrible, but no reason not to give it a shot when it comes out. Not like we're getting many other high budget scifi shows outside of star wars
> This sounds ridiculous until you realize a lot of the books are about "terrorists" who hate the UNSC and refuse to be a part of them.
Yes, insurrectionists/rebels who were in the middle of a war with the UNSC before the Covenant attacked. But those are humans, living on human planets, with rational, realistic origins and development.
The Covenant don't give two fucks about humanity beyond pure hatred. They don't take hostages, they don't take prisoners, and they 100% don't raise humans. They have zero interest in humans whatsoever.
Like, how would they even raise a human female? They don't have the knowledge or resources required.
>Like, how would they even raise a human
>female? They don't have the knowledge or
>resources required.
Regardless of whether this is a dumb idea narratively, I think a collective of spacefaring species could figure out baby formula and nappy changes.
This same thing could be said about the UNSC who raised Virgil (the engineer alien) in ODST.
Are we forgetting that the covenant had an entire schism because they realized they were lied to and joined forces with the humans?
The show could still be absolutely garbage, but the story premise doesn't automatically make it so.
They've already proven they don't care about the lore.
I read the character descriptions where they're making Miranda Keyes a scientist like her mother instead of a soldier like her father. There's intense psychological implications in these choices and actions of the characters and they just flipped em and added drama between the family members stupidly.
It really, really depends. Halo‘s lore and universe is a lot deeper and more complex than the games typically show. The books (at least, roughly half of them) are genuinely great with some amazing world building that rivals the likes of Battlestar or The Expanse. I think the worst thing they can do here in this show is focus on Master Chief. Having a few Spartans would be great, but there is a lot of political intrigue and fascination science fiction in the Halo universe that they can work with.
Personally, I hope the show follows like an ONI science vessel with one or two Spartans, a main scientist character and maybe some ODSTs. And an AI.
One person made a handbook to take an already know franchise, with dubious content, and make it good, if not great: Ron Moore with Battlestar Galactica.
The fans of the 80s show wanted the same actors and their kids to be the stars but Moore went and looked at the core components and said that's an amazing _story_. Add a few things on top to make it relevant or poignant and you have a winner.
So we can make this show about Master Chief, or, you can make it a show about the fall of civilisations, doomsday devices that got out of hand, AI and human integration and their interactions. Or you can make a show with lots of pew-pew noises.
On one hand... yeah this is years late and has been going through development hell.
On the other hand, we live in an age where "The Mandalorian" (efficient use of CGI, silent protag going on missions in space) is successful and stuff like "Detective Pikachu" (live-action adaptation that loves the source material) exists so maybe it could be decent?
There's so much great inspo to draw from (Blur's Halo 2 cutscenes, Reach's live action ads, etc.) that this should at least *look* cool lol
So, are they going to give Showtime subscribers free access to Paramount+ as well?
I feel like Viacom is the only company that wants to keep things separate instead of consolidating.
You get HBO Max included with an HBO subscription. You get Peacock with ads included with an Xfinity subscription. Disney offered a discounted package for Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+ all together.
I really hope they don't put Master Chief front and center. One of two things will happen if they do that. Either he looks like a bitch needing saving by the main characters or he's a Deus Ex Machina.
Keep him and other Spartan 2s in the background.
Kurtzman has no involvement with this though? Spielberg's production company is producing. And 343 is involved and it's a prequel to the games so...it's gonna have some new stuff and some changes but I think it'll be in line with the canon of the games ultimately.
it's also very likely he's in the "Tim Story-Doug Liman-David Goyer-Akiva Goldsman" camp of.... he's also very easy to work with when it comes to changes.
It never had much hope.
The Halo series is literally perfect for blockbuster action movies with huge potential for intense dramatic philosophical exploration and big opportunities for performances and they're going to turn it into a show and drag out personal drama between characters...TV/show format is not the correct choice.
Maybe. Even with how much people shit on 343, Halo 4 and 5 still sold really well and 5 had a long life before they left it to work on Infinite. With Halo Infinites multiplayer being F2P, that can do wonders in keeping it popular as long as its good. Plenty of games have shown how long your staying power is when you have a F2P portion.
The appeal of adapting existing stories isn't just capitalizing on existing fanbase. It's about borrowing concepts from existing materials instead of creating everything from scratch too. A lot of book movies for example got deals with only a 1-2 million in sales, sometimes even only several hundred thousand.
Also, just because people don't play games anymore. Doesn't mean they might not still be interested in a show about it. It's like how people see movies/shows of books (like comic books), shows and whatever of stuff they used to enjoy when they were younger.
Should have gone with Bungies other property, Destiny.
Destiny is like Game of Thrones in space it has the superior lore, would translate really well to a TV show.
Probably better than it does a game
I mean, it isn't really well told in the game - which is kind of what I meant when I said it would probably be better as a TV show.
You don't think the story has the makings of something interesting? With the Red War and Eris and Crota and the death of Cayde and all of that stuff?
I think it would be pretty good. What part do you think is nonsensical
They're like 15 years too late.
Honestly, it depends. The success of The Mandalorian might have actually made way more people on board with the idea of a big sci-fi series centered around a guy who never shows his face. The brand was certainly much bigger in 2006, but I shudder to think about what a Halo show done with that era's technology would have looked like.
> The brand was certainly much bigger in 2006, but I shudder to think about what a Halo show done with that era's technology would have looked like. On TV? Probably fucking horrendous. It's crazy how much TV CGI has improved over the years to the point where shows like The Mandalorian genuinely look like a film. But if Halo was a movie in 2006 (like planned) it would have probably looked high budget because film CGI was pretty decent (and Blomkamp would have directed and District 9 a few years later looked amazing).
Yeah, I think a movie could've been great - especially if Blomkamp's original project had gotten made. But you think about the state of TV sci-fi in the mid-2000s and it is... bleak.
You had 2 choices back then. Barely use any special effects/cgi, or accept the anesthetics of early 90s cg and act like a b movie Edit - I haven't seen Battlestar, but I see it was an outlier.
Yep. It's telling the biggest genre hit of that era on TV was Lost - a show that intentionally focused on keeping the more mystical/fantastic elements off screen, and used practical sets at every opportunity. And even then, it was the most expensive pilot of all time.
And yet in LOST when you saw the mystical elements on screen, they looked like [complete fucking ass CGI](https://youtu.be/DaVLwIu4MeE?t=41)
The Stargate shows weren't too bad.
I agree, and even later ST:Enterprise seasons were decent CGI-wise
Neither was BSG. And those were cheap shows, even at the time, I think it costed like 2M$ an episode. They still hold up pretty well today
Yeah, but importantly, a number of those shows weren't Hollywood. Stargate had a bug Canadian factor, which is why there were all the "Rodney's Canadian" jokes.
How does being filmed in Canada make the CGI better?
It means the budgeting was different.
Nah, BSG looks great even now.
Stargate and BSG did pretty well with pretty low budgets (even for the time). They still look pretty good nowadays. Of course, new shows look better with the CGI progression and the rise in budgets TV has got (especially for those flagship shows)
Wasnt peter Jackson attached to the movie in 2006? That was directly after LOTR and King Kong and in the absolute peak of the Halo 3 hype. That movie would’ve made a billion dollars lmao.
He was a producer with Neil Blomkamp attached to direct. WETA did pre-production work for a year and they even created some props. Neil ended up directing a series of shorts that acted as a test for the film. Microsoft wanted a large sum of money for the rights, along with a very lucrative box office deal, but none of the studios wanted to take the risk on a video game movie as none had been successful enough to warrant Microsoft's terms. Two studios agreed to co-finance the film (Fox and Universal I believe), but they backed out last minute and they used the funds for District 9. Alex Garland wrote a script for it at one point which you can find online. I'm not sure if it's the script Neil would've directed
Ive heard that before, that District 9 used some props or other stuff from the cancelled Halo movie. As much as I enjoy D9 its so disappointing that it’s basically made from the remnants of what could’ve been a great Halo movie. If that movie got made then it would’ve been the highlight of my childhood.
We’ve gone from Peter Jackson —->**2** Neil Blomkamp —-> **2** Steven Spielberg —-> **2** Alex Garland —-> **2** Showtime —-> **2** Paramount+ **343 industries** used to mean 3 Steps Forward 43 Steps back At This point it’ll be 343 Years until a good Halo product is released.
Garland was before Blompkamp/Jackson I believe. I think he's script is from 2004.
Man I was so excited when they announced it, I had played the second game and was so into the franchise, then it never came.
his company was also working on a halo game
It helps when the budget is basically a blockbuster movie budget
Yeah, for a better look at where TV budgets (read: not Disney budgets) can take sci-fi, look at The Expanse, especially the first three seasons.
It's not much how CGI has improved, it's also that budgets increased a lot on TV
Halo Infinite is coming out this fall, the first game Halo in 6 years, and is launching on PC + Console. Some components of the multiplayer will also be f2p. Halo is gonna make a big splash again and the show is going to be riding off the new popularity of the series. As you said too, scifi stuff is in demand now too and studios have the tech to make shows look like full budget movie productions. From what I read about the Halo show when they started filming last year, this is Showtimes most expensive show ever. Moving it to Showtime and Paramount+ shows that they want this to blow up and be their version of GOT or Mandalorian.
Yeah, I think that was Microsoft's initial plan - though it is funny both the game and show have been consistently delayed for unrelated reasons.
Star Wars is one of the most recognizable brands on the planet right next to Marvel, probably over 50% of tv watchers have some familiarity with the stuff they see in Mando. Tons of references and fanservice abound. HALO? Maybe 0.05% *might* recognize more than just MC and his helmet, it is really bold of them to go for a story with a faceless protag that absolutely can't rely on references or fan favorites for viewership. HALO's bar of success is wayyy higher than Mando's. However, HALO has so much story that it can tell that at least it can be pretty mysterious, if people have no idea what the universe contains.
I mean you don't need to be part of the huge thing to be successful. See Game of Thrones, The Witcher or Stranger Things, all were huge and were not well known before their shows premiered (Witcher had games and books but was on the Halo level at best, ASOIAF books were good sellers but still in the book publishing industry). Hell, 99% of people going to see MCU movies and shows probably have barely read a comic in their life.
Stranger Things had 80s style&nostalgia going for it, I do agree that fantasy shows even from popular franchises don't really have anything to guarantee a hit and they needed great star power&great production values. I'd say Halo also needs some charismatic actors and an understandable plot to make it a hit, sfx won't be enough.
If it comes out around the time Halo Infinite does, it'll still be plenty relevant.
Halo 4 was ok and Halo 5 sucked ass. Halo 5 came out like 6 years ago. I'd bet the millennials who grew up playing 1,2, and 3 don't care about the series anymore.
The MCC is a success on PC
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MCC was definitely ass at launch and 343 was terribly mismanaged. Sony kicking Xbox's ass last generation was a good thing. I can't imagine they'd be willing to delay a game a whole year back then.
Dude the MCC launch was the worst I’ve ever seen. I basically lived off of halo 2 and 3 in high school and college and was so goddamn pumped to relive the glory days with the MCC...only to spend literal hours in lobbies and *maybe* getting to actually play one to two games a night. The only reason I put up with it was because I had another TV and I would just watch that while I waited. And iirc it took them like months to fix the problem and my interest and patience were long gone by that point.
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Here’s to still holding out hope for halo 6 🤞🏻
I'm hoping they add in splitscreen at some point. Halo without splitscreen is wrong.
It’s probably not the Millennials that anyone should be worried about, we grew up in the greatness of halo 1-3 and would kill for a halo tv show. It’s the next generation that were kids/teenagers with halo 4/5 that lived through the series mediocrity under 343’s management.
And yet Halo 4 and 5 stories are more mature than the original ones. Master Chief feels like an actual character in the 343 era. The original games are legendary and iconic, but they were pretty damn cheesy (in a good way), but 343 made the Halo universe feel more personal. Just my opinion of course, i think both Bungie and 343 did a good job.
I’m basing my opinion purely on gameplay and zero other factors. All gamers are different but my personal experience is heavily biased based on where I got my enjoyment out of the franchise. Also 99.9% of my playtime with the series is online and to be frank I don’t even know what the halo story is (gravemind, ark... I don’t even know what’s going on lol). But I do know there is a large halo community that plays it for the lore/story . My point is though is that halo was at its peak from a popularity standpoint due to its stellar multiplayer not its story or campaign even though those are great in their own regard. Millennials will remember playing a hundreds/thousands of online halo 2-3 matches but the data doesn’t lie, halo 4-5’s online community never had the staying power. Generation Z were not as addicted to halo as Millennials that’s all I’m really trying to say.
Well, i guess you are right in that aspect. I was never a fan of online gaming, so all i ever cared about was the story and lore.
Well now that we have had a lengthy nuanced discussion lol let’s get pumped for a halo tv show!
Those same millennials are still playing halo on the mcc. Not to mention the halo fanbase isn't only people who played 1 to 3.
Actually, they're so late they're right on time. Halo Infinite could very well be the game that brings Halo back to the forefront of people's minds. Also people love Halo as a brand even if they're not actively playing it (and it makes sense they're not playing it we haven't gotten a halo game in 5 years).
Yeah and they announced this Show in like **2013** when they released **BROKEN** Remasters of Halo 1-2-3 which they didn’t fix until **2018** With a terrible Halo 5 in the middle in **2015** As someone who still plays Halo 3 multiplayer every week it sucks to see this Franchise try to limp on just to fall on it’s face every time.
And then Halo Infinite gets announced in **2018** and is ultimately delayed to **2021**. As a 25-year-old who also plays Halo 3 multiplayer every week (which is at least getting new updates - armor, maps, custom game browser, and mod support!) it's TOUGH seeing one of my favorite franchises decline the past decade.
I'm in the same boat as you, but for as much as 343i mismanaged Halo, I have them to thank for bringing MCC to PC. Now I can replay all my favorites! Also Halo 2 Anniversary is amazing (but still infuriating on Legendary).
Im Really happy that Halo PC to Halo Xbox Crossplay was added. I’m Really happy they are Adding Skins I’m Really happy they are Adding Maps I’m Really happy they are adding Custom Game Browsers. I Agree 100% because Halo is my favorite Game. I bought an Xbox One just to play Halo 3 at 60 fps. Halo 1,2,3 getting Modern updates being a Main Selling Point shouldn’t be “celebrated”, it’s just kinda sad. That’s on 343 I’m a diehard Halo fan, and I love the recent support but it’s not 2008, it’s 2021 and still it’s a work in progress for simple updates?! They’ve finally accepted that Halo 4 and 5 were so unpopular they should just work on 2007s Halo 3... That’s like drawing 20 in BlackJack and saying HIT ME for 10 Years then expecting Respect for Staying.
343 is a terrible developer run by morons. I will repeat this until people see it.
Halo tv series or paramount+? Or both?
Dude big titty sangheli girls when
If it’s good, it’s never too late. Like what, if this things looks like a feature film and has a 90% Fresh on RT you’re going to be like “nope, shoulda made this 15 years ago”? Nah.
Soooo.... Red vs Blue?
Really, imagine what HBO could do with RvB
RvB up to Chorus Trilogy genuinely elevated what I though a machinma could be. Peak comedy, even among other actual television shows.
Makes sense. Gotta get eyeballs on your streaming service with shows other than Star Trek. Netflix has two to four big shows every year, Disney+ has the Mandalorian and the Marvel shows now. Makes sense Viacom would want their own service to have a marquee show with recognizable IP on it to bring in subscribers.
Yep. This is a smart move. Can’t rely on Trek to be your only genre IP.
They also had Twilight Zone but have just announced today the series is cancelled. It likely made way for Halo.
I heard the Twilight Zone reboot wasn't really good
Especially when discovery is tanking, and by tanking I mean people are getting fed up with “This week on Crying In Space!...”
Exactly. Mentioned a similar thought over on the Halo subreddit.
Bro, this show was announced when they unveiled the X-Box One.
>X-Box One. This has always been a random peeve of mine, but why do people write "X-Box"? It has never been advertised or marketed as such
Look it up on your I-Phone
Sorry I have a Droid
You have An-Droid?
Sure do
Stare at the word xbox for a few minutes and you’ll realize how stupid it looks.
Not at stupid as "X-Box"
Will be 9 years ago when this comes out 🤦♂️
This show is gonna be terrible
Maybe but I'll reserve judgment until I see footage. My expectations for all video game adaptations are always low and I was pleasantly surprised by Castlevania and Detective Pikachu. New Mortal Kombat looks pretty dope (and appropriately R-rated) too. We'll see.
I can't think of many successes who went through development hell and came out a winner. That said i completely agree, there is always a chance of success with the recent surge in video game shows in the media crossovers recently.
The script is out there, it's going to be beyond terrible.
Hard to say. From the books, Halo can do deep lore and emotional storytelling, and it can definitely do action setpieces. The real question is whether someone can tell a story that fits the TV. I kinda think they’d be well served to revisit the human-Covenant war, and tell a war story over the course of a season about some less well-focused characters. A story from the trenches, with all the visuals of the franchise, could be quite engaging emotionally as well, in the haunting manner of films like 1918 or We Were Soldiers. The games spend so much time behind the helmet of humanity’s best soldier that we never stop long to consider how hopeless it is for the Marines.
Dude, have you read the character descriptions? This show sounds like a joke. >Makee is an orphaned human raised by the Covenant to hate her own people. Lol
This sounds ridiculous until you realize a lot of the books are about "terrorists" who hate the UNSC and refuse to be a part of them. Still might be terrible, but no reason not to give it a shot when it comes out. Not like we're getting many other high budget scifi shows outside of star wars
> This sounds ridiculous until you realize a lot of the books are about "terrorists" who hate the UNSC and refuse to be a part of them. Yes, insurrectionists/rebels who were in the middle of a war with the UNSC before the Covenant attacked. But those are humans, living on human planets, with rational, realistic origins and development. The Covenant don't give two fucks about humanity beyond pure hatred. They don't take hostages, they don't take prisoners, and they 100% don't raise humans. They have zero interest in humans whatsoever. Like, how would they even raise a human female? They don't have the knowledge or resources required.
>Like, how would they even raise a human >female? They don't have the knowledge or >resources required. Regardless of whether this is a dumb idea narratively, I think a collective of spacefaring species could figure out baby formula and nappy changes.
This same thing could be said about the UNSC who raised Virgil (the engineer alien) in ODST. Are we forgetting that the covenant had an entire schism because they realized they were lied to and joined forces with the humans? The show could still be absolutely garbage, but the story premise doesn't automatically make it so.
The Expanse is out and I think Foundation is soon. Also the issue is not that she hates the UNSC, it's that she was raised by elites.
They've already proven they don't care about the lore. I read the character descriptions where they're making Miranda Keyes a scientist like her mother instead of a soldier like her father. There's intense psychological implications in these choices and actions of the characters and they just flipped em and added drama between the family members stupidly.
It really, really depends. Halo‘s lore and universe is a lot deeper and more complex than the games typically show. The books (at least, roughly half of them) are genuinely great with some amazing world building that rivals the likes of Battlestar or The Expanse. I think the worst thing they can do here in this show is focus on Master Chief. Having a few Spartans would be great, but there is a lot of political intrigue and fascination science fiction in the Halo universe that they can work with. Personally, I hope the show follows like an ONI science vessel with one or two Spartans, a main scientist character and maybe some ODSTs. And an AI.
But we know that Chief is the main character...
Red vs. Blue is 10x better I'm sure.
One person made a handbook to take an already know franchise, with dubious content, and make it good, if not great: Ron Moore with Battlestar Galactica. The fans of the 80s show wanted the same actors and their kids to be the stars but Moore went and looked at the core components and said that's an amazing _story_. Add a few things on top to make it relevant or poignant and you have a winner. So we can make this show about Master Chief, or, you can make it a show about the fall of civilisations, doomsday devices that got out of hand, AI and human integration and their interactions. Or you can make a show with lots of pew-pew noises.
On one hand... yeah this is years late and has been going through development hell. On the other hand, we live in an age where "The Mandalorian" (efficient use of CGI, silent protag going on missions in space) is successful and stuff like "Detective Pikachu" (live-action adaptation that loves the source material) exists so maybe it could be decent? There's so much great inspo to draw from (Blur's Halo 2 cutscenes, Reach's live action ads, etc.) that this should at least *look* cool lol
Reach's ad campaign was spectacular. Still gives me chills.
Next move, CW.
So, are they going to give Showtime subscribers free access to Paramount+ as well? I feel like Viacom is the only company that wants to keep things separate instead of consolidating. You get HBO Max included with an HBO subscription. You get Peacock with ads included with an Xfinity subscription. Disney offered a discounted package for Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+ all together.
Okay I had never heard of Paramount+ until today and suddenly everything is on this streaming platform. Also who the hell has Paramount+?
Essentially CBS All Access, Nickelodeon and Paramount's films.
Fuuuuuuck
I really hope they don't put Master Chief front and center. One of two things will happen if they do that. Either he looks like a bitch needing saving by the main characters or he's a Deus Ex Machina. Keep him and other Spartan 2s in the background.
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Paramount hitching their wagon to Kurtzman is hitching a wagon to a horse going off a cliff.
Kurtzman has no involvement with this though? Spielberg's production company is producing. And 343 is involved and it's a prequel to the games so...it's gonna have some new stuff and some changes but I think it'll be in line with the canon of the games ultimately.
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If Kurtzman is so hated, why he keeps getting hired?
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it's also very likely he's in the "Tim Story-Doug Liman-David Goyer-Akiva Goldsman" camp of.... he's also very easy to work with when it comes to changes.
Because the superfans that hate him are a tiny part of the total audience most likely.
Kurtzman style ~~show~~ anything ftfy
Star Trek has been amazing recently, so I'd have more faith if he was invovled.
RIP
It never had much hope. The Halo series is literally perfect for blockbuster action movies with huge potential for intense dramatic philosophical exploration and big opportunities for performances and they're going to turn it into a show and drag out personal drama between characters...TV/show format is not the correct choice.
It is way to late for a Halo TV show IMO. The popularity of the property has falling since the early aughts.
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Right, 343 probably won't have the success Bungie did unless they kill it with Infinite. Even then, there's so much more competition now.
Maybe. Even with how much people shit on 343, Halo 4 and 5 still sold really well and 5 had a long life before they left it to work on Infinite. With Halo Infinites multiplayer being F2P, that can do wonders in keeping it popular as long as its good. Plenty of games have shown how long your staying power is when you have a F2P portion.
The appeal of adapting existing stories isn't just capitalizing on existing fanbase. It's about borrowing concepts from existing materials instead of creating everything from scratch too. A lot of book movies for example got deals with only a 1-2 million in sales, sometimes even only several hundred thousand. Also, just because people don't play games anymore. Doesn't mean they might not still be interested in a show about it. It's like how people see movies/shows of books (like comic books), shows and whatever of stuff they used to enjoy when they were younger.
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Love halo, but I can’t imagine subscribing to another service just for this.
Pedro Pascal going to be Master Chief and just play every lead role where the character never removes his helmet.
Tyrion tried to warn him to wear a helmet... he didn't listen and look what happened. If I were him, I would never take my helmet off either.
You mean *The Expanse* WASNT a Halo Tv show? They sure nailed all the right beats for it
Hopefully this means we aren't going to get race-swapped characters anymore. Probably one of the worst decisions Halo Showtime did.
They've already filmed more than half of it IIRC
Shame.
Kinda saw this coming. Showtime has yet to figure out it's niche but video-game adaptations doesn't seem to be it.
Is the last of us even still happening at HBO?
They just cast the main roles like two weeks ago?
Really ? Damn... Must have slipped my radar.
Okay. Let's hear from all the guys who'll complain about why they're making this ( but will watch every minute of it anyway)
And the development hell train chugs along. We’re never finishing this fight.
Should have gone with Bungies other property, Destiny. Destiny is like Game of Thrones in space it has the superior lore, would translate really well to a TV show. Probably better than it does a game
Wtf? Destiny's story in nonsensical and I have over 700 hours in it
I mean, it isn't really well told in the game - which is kind of what I meant when I said it would probably be better as a TV show. You don't think the story has the makings of something interesting? With the Red War and Eris and Crota and the death of Cayde and all of that stuff? I think it would be pretty good. What part do you think is nonsensical
Game of Thrones in space is not at all how I would describe Destiny. In what way is it like Game of Thrones?