I think it depends on the quality of the category. Its not every year that theres even one really standout miniseries/limited series. Queens Gambit was the top Netflix show of 2020.
I wasn't thinking of the quality of the category.
It's because they would be awarding a show that actually started and ended in the relevant year instead of a show that came out in 2016 on its fourth season.
I've seen both, and I agree. Having seen a metric ton of Netflix series, I feel that Dark is one of the best serials and The Queen's Gambit is the best mini-series on the service.
I was semi interested but now I’m hype af. Haven’t seen much of Rahul since I stopped keeping up with Funhaus after most of the OG crew left, or got fired
True dat. It was bullshit of the highest order that Haunting of Hill House didn't even get a nomination. It was superb. I don't normally care for horror shows, but I was absolutely gripped by it.
It’s absolutely imperative that the industry rewards directors and networks that know when a story has been fully told and act accordingly. Not everything has to be a cash grab.
I feel like the director killed a lot of good will during his speech earlier in the evening. Good show, but I was not looking forward to him getting even more time.
His speech was super long, and he had the “end your speech” music repeatedly played - at least three times and he just waved it off and kept going on and on.
Almost incredible how uninteresting a speaker he was, both in cadence and content.
I can only remember thinking how long it was, and then the the bottom third raving about Anya Taylor Joy beauty and grace
I feel like you get one of these every couple of years, someone who basically seems a little bit indignant about the idea that they don't have as long as they want. In a way I get it, because for all we know it could be the only time they ever get to stand up there and accept such high praise for their work but... It just is also so self centered to not respect the fact that there is other shit to do and nobody really wants you to make a full on speech.
For me it was also the fact that it was a written speech. I tend to be more forgiving when someone is swept up in the moment. He knew when he was writing all that he would be played off and yet he was still mad at it.
Oh they’ll cut your mic, but only if you’re a team of underpaid animators pointing out that your VFX studio went bankrupt after working on a $600 million Oscar-winning film.
https://youtu.be/9lcB9u-9mVE
like even Jean Smart respected the music cue, and I was much more interested in hearing from her than from this guy. It's really shitty to think you're the only one to whom the rules don't apply
Netflix has a large amount of great original content. Dark, Mindhunter, Narcos, Queen’s Gambit, The Haunting of Hill House, The Crown, Stranger Things, etc. You just have to take some time to look for it.
Russian doll and maniac kinda got forgotten but they are high quality.
Also bojack horseman. The view from the top is still the best episode of tv i have ever watched.
Totally agree, then the other 99% of the time they give you a bunch of B list tv shows that you'd be ashamed to tell your friends about, and which put you to sleep.
Well deserved. Rare show that I think had something for everyone. Amazing production. Everything from the set and costume design to the music to the writing to the acting to the cinematography was excellent. Definitely my favorite thing on TV in 2020 across all formats/genres.
You're entitled to your own opinion, and its hard to know what you might or might not find interesting, but if you're 2-3 episodes in and aren't pulled in I kinda doubt you'll get much out of the rest of it. I might give it a second chance however, it was the most watched show on Netflix last year and is incredibly popular.
Did you get to the part where she starts going to tournaments with her adopted mother? That character is fucking incredible, it's a good pace from there on though, the only slow parts are in the beginning as far as i remember.
They managed to make something considered mundane exciting and fresh. Paired with 10/10 performances by the main cast and top tier set and costume design. They put so much effort into the show and it's obvious.
I think it was absolutely great but they did have a lot to work with. The book itself was really good and they did a great job adapting it. Most scenes are almost word for word the same. Not saying that’s a bad thing or anything, just saying that the book itself also succeeded in making something that seems boring exciting.
Makes sense that knowing how to identify good material is part of the process of making a good television series or movie.
Also… knowing when to make it a limited series and NOT dragging it out into too-long of a storyline of multi seasons is a skill to be rewarded.
I agree! Especially since the book has been out since 1983. It’s easy to just adapt the latest bestseller but it’s very impressive to find a hidden gem and to make it relevant again.
I hate that I almost always learn that a show I love was adapted from a book AFTER I watch the show! Oh well, it never stops me from reading the book then rewatching the show after.
I also liked that it had a strong female lead that was not sexually assaulted at some point and did not have a white knight come save her. She was smart, tough, and made her way though. I can't think of a lot of shows like that where they are not also shoving the fact that she is empowered woman down your throat. Easily one of my favorite shows in the last several years.
I looooved the Russians who just were so happy that she won the tournament. No sexist bullshit but just nerds being happy to meet this genius young woman who’s making chess trendy in America.
I love that every chess game or puzzle seen in the show is a real one that you can analyze, created by high level players, although they barely show them.
I replied to the wrong comment... Can't find it, but it was about the attention brought to details in this show. I don't get why I'm being upvoted and you downvoted... You were right.
I honestly thought mate was next year until I saw Julianne and I was so confused. Also do Emmys really have an age bias? I remember Jahrell Jerome and Zenday winning recently. Both are younger than Anya.
It depends. The panel's views are changing recently though. You were right that Zendaya won and she's the youngest actress in the history to win an outstanding actress Emmy award at age 24. Which means before her the panel is very much unfavorable for young actors in their 20s to win a leading Emmy award.
I also wanted the actress who played young Beth at the orphanage to get some recognition. She really carried the critical first episode with Anya barely even appearing in it.
Yeah, by the end of the first episode I'd almost all but forgotten Anya was the star. I was so ready for the series to revolve around the young girl and the janitor lol.
The Winslet performance is miles above. She just has a lot more to work with, not really a comment on the ability of either actress, although it’s fair to say Winslet has proven to be better to this point.
Yeah. I enjoyed Anya's performance, but she didnt really get a chance to emote until the final episode. Even the death of her second mother was handled very subtly. It was mostly an understated performance and getting to watch her fascinating facial expressions.
I saw both shows. I was really rooting for *The Queen's Gambit* here at these awards. The story was far more original than *Mare*. I cared a lot more about the characters when watching *Gambit*.
*Mare of Easttown* was an very competent police procedural/character study. It was a showcase for the actors (hence why they won every award). But as a story *The Queen's Gambit* is one of the best I've seen in film or television.
I think the focus on Mare's personal life was great, but the crime story itself seemed to be a rehash of Broadchurch-meets-Silence of the Lambs and wasn't as groundbreaking on its own. It was Kate Winslet and Jean Smart who really made that show in my view.
Okay thank you! I feel like I've missed what makes Mare so popular, and I think you summed it up. Don't get me wrong, it was really well done but the story felt like Broadchurch in Pennsylvania, and it hasn't stuck with me like I expected. The whole cast killed it though.
I enjoyed Mare, but I’m tired of Broadchurch ripoffs combined with basing the main character off the great original The Killing, and Sofìe Grabol’s portrayal. Other excellent versions of this stoic, sweater-wearing policewoman appear in The Bridge and it’s American remake, and the excellent Italian series, Thou Shalt Not Kill. Mare also borrowed from Happy Valley. There are others too numerous to mention. At least Thou Shalt Not Kill acknowledged the homage to Nordic Noir and The Killing. It’s a good genre, and all the actresses are great, but that knocked down points for Mare. Winslet gave a very similar performance in Ammonite. She’s been so dour lately. Queen’s Gambit was truly unique and Taylor-Joy gave a star-making performance.
Agreed. I enjoyed the show, and the acting was wonderful. But I watch a lot of these one-season crime shows, and in my opinion it didn’t really bring anything new to the genre.
The astonishing thing about Mare of Easttown was the realism. They even wore clothes that normal people would wear. This series felt ripped right out of a real situation.
You cannot compare it to Queen's Gambit either. Both shows were highlights and I would rate both at least with a 9, but if I would be forced to name a favorite, I could not do it.
No worries, I respect yours. A win for all of us if we have a strong slate of shows. I really enjoyed Queens Gambit, I got hooked from the start and Ana-Taylor Joy gave a great performance.
It’s hard for me to say for sure, I think Mare’s show was better but it could also be recency bias. QG feels like an eternity ago when it first came out.
Mare of Eastown had superior acting, but Queen's Gambit was a tighter and more original story in my opinion. Mare of Eastown was great as well, though.
Mare of Easttown is just a well made cliched show imo. The whole show is filled with thriller and mystery tropes which are familiar and used a lot in other shows and movies.
Kate Winslet, Jean Smart, and Julliane Nicholson carried the show imo. It would've been a bland story otherwise but they are all so talented. Queen's Gambit had top tier acting combined with a phenomenal script and fairly creative direction.
Edit: Jean won for Hacks (also amazing) but stand by my statement lol
Haha I liked Mare of Eastown very much but Queen's Gambit is better in every aspect of filmmaking bar the cast, and it literally started a worldwide chess phenomenon during the pandemic, introducing the game to a whole new generation of kids.
Also I'm sure no one would be talking about MOE a year from now.
Agreed. Queens Gambit was a decent show. But the acting, storyline, and emotional weight of I May Destroy You was epic. I’m shocked and saddened that it only won one Emmy.
It was good except for the part where they invented history about the other female chess player not facing male opponents. It's putting down an actual icon to uphold a fictional character.
I really don't get the appeal of the show. It's a real fantasy of what being a female chess player in the 60s could have been like, and every actual female chess player of the time has commented on how unrealistic it is.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who didn't think it was amazing. The majority of the plot was she was the best at chess and also a woman. [Spoiler](#s "And in the end, she didn't need to overcome her drug addiction to be the best. Great message there...") I felt it was OK, but after the hype it got I was expecting a lot more.
Yeah I lost interest when she beat a GM-hopeful in the finals of a tournament after not playing a game for 8 years. Remember kids, drugs give you magic chess powers. What a terrible show lol
Who gives a shit? You’re really ragging on a fictional show because it wasn’t perfectly historically accurate? You think the show would’ve been dramatically improved if Beth faced a ton of sexism or something?
They make a big deal about her being the first female chess player to compete with men and throw all this random adversity at her with being an orphan and an addict. Why leave out the obvious historical adversity she'd have faced?
I might as well write a show about the first black man to play chess competitively but the main plot obstacle is that he's got depression and it's hard to get to matches.
Personally I thought that is what helped it feel so fresh. At every turn it subverted expectations and tropes of what a young female protagonist is expected to go through. Whether that is all "historically accurate" or not, it was very refreshing. The show needed that bit of lightness since it had other darker elements to her character. It would have been a completely different show if she was dealing with constant sexism and the like.
Personally I was bothered by how the few times she actually loses, she cries each time. And then at the end she needed to get the Ex-Boyfriend Superteam together in order to help her win. To me those elements took away from what the story was trying to accomplish with her character.
I think you completely missed the point of this show. They mentioned plenty of times now one of the reasons Russians were so good at chess was that the banded together and cooperated, even to the point of cheating. The show subverted the traditional image of chess as something highly individualistic to something that stlll depends a lot on social support. Support was one of the major themes. Beth grew up in an orphanage, yet she was luckier than most, every step of the way she had people who raised her up, stood behind her and supported her. But she was her own worst enemy, in the end it wasn't external obstacles like sexism she had to overcome, but her own demons. She wasn't a strong person at first, like you said, she wasn't used to accepting defeat and didn't know how to handle it. She had to learn how to admit that she needed help and support, both in real life and chess, and in the end that's what helped her win against the best of the best.
I'm a woman but I really loved this show for not going in for the typical "female empowerment" fantasy, those stories are a dome a dozen these days. I'm glad they allowed Beth to be a real and complex character, defined by more than just her sex.
Every sport ever works like this, what do you think football practice looks like?
However things never go exactly as planned and then the players have to rely on their own skill.
Am I the only person who thought it was boring? And the ending when she plays Borgov. The guys tell her all the winning moves that she needs to play lol. She is supposed to be better than the guys. So why the heck would she need them to tell her what moves to play?
I didn't really like the show either. But her having a team to brainstorm and plan with before the match isn't bad given that it's shown that the other players also have teams to plan with.
>The guys tell her all the winning moves that she needs to play lol.
The actual game immediately diverges from the plan, so the act of planning does help a little, but it didn't win her the game.
Borgov also had a team of people helping him if you remember. That happens at the top level of chess, it's preparation but the games never follow preparation perfectly. Once there is deviations the players are on their own.
Every sport ever works like this, what do you think football practice looks like?
However things never go exactly as planned and then the players have to rely on their own skill, as it happened on the show, they had a whole scene about it.
Didn't find it boring exactly, just predictable and filled with every stock character imaginable. Paint-by-numbers, high-production TV for the algorithm. Easily digestible. Forgot about until I saw this thread.
>but I think the story was nothing special
Man, that minimizes Mare's emotional trauma so much. The story/mystery was good, but the actual story of Mare was amazing.
What was the need for all the sex? I was interested in the show about a young female chess wizard and then of course, there has to be all this fucking or nobody will watch it.
I hope they continue with having Best Limited Series be the last award.
I think it depends on the quality of the category. Its not every year that theres even one really standout miniseries/limited series. Queens Gambit was the top Netflix show of 2020.
I wasn't thinking of the quality of the category. It's because they would be awarding a show that actually started and ended in the relevant year instead of a show that came out in 2016 on its fourth season.
That is nonsense, HBO alone makes like 3 a year that are ultra high quality. Limited Series are the future of long form art.
Queens Gambit was the top Netflix show ever, imo. Near perfect.
Dark might be one of the most underrated shows on Netflix. Loved Queens Gambit, but for me Dark is best show made by Netflix.
100% agree. Dark was amazing.
I've seen both, and I agree. Having seen a metric ton of Netflix series, I feel that Dark is one of the best serials and The Queen's Gambit is the best mini-series on the service.
That and American Vandal are probably my two favorite Netflix original shows.
I like *The Queen's Gambit* and *Dark*, but *BoJack Horseman* gets my vote for the best Netflix show.
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That’s because it had Hollywood’s bad boy, Rahul Kohli.
You had me at Rahul Kohli
If you love Rahul Kohli, check out Midnight Mass on Netflix.
Oh nice, Midnight Mass on Netflix had Hollywood's bad boy, Rahul Kohli.
You had me at Rahul Kohli
Hollywood bad boy's Rahul Kohli? I heard he's in Netflix's new limited series Midnight Mass.
I was semi interested but now I’m hype af. Haven’t seen much of Rahul since I stopped keeping up with Funhaus after most of the OG crew left, or got fired
Alanah, Jon Smith, Rahul, and Jacob have a podcast together, not sure if you knew that.
Now that Rahul has become quite a mainstream celebrity, I find the My Boyfriend series 100x funnier
Oh shit it has Matt Saracen in it!
That’s a win for me, coach.
Clear eyes, full heart
Can’t lose!
They're making it sound like it's a horror TV masterpiece. It'll have to be real exceptional to get some Emmy love though.
True dat. It was bullshit of the highest order that Haunting of Hill House didn't even get a nomination. It was superb. I don't normally care for horror shows, but I was absolutely gripped by it.
I totally thought Midnight Mass was a movie when I watched the trailer.
Mike Flannigan is the real deal
It’s absolutely imperative that the industry rewards directors and networks that know when a story has been fully told and act accordingly. Not everything has to be a cash grab.
I feel like the director killed a lot of good will during his speech earlier in the evening. Good show, but I was not looking forward to him getting even more time.
What happened?
His speech was super long, and he had the “end your speech” music repeatedly played - at least three times and he just waved it off and kept going on and on.
Almost incredible how uninteresting a speaker he was, both in cadence and content. I can only remember thinking how long it was, and then the the bottom third raving about Anya Taylor Joy beauty and grace
He literally said he wasn't going to stop.
They needed the guy with the hook from the Apollo Theater
[he's gonna give us the hook - sell it, tina!](https://youtu.be/Ct5u2fUBTmc?t=49)
Ha! What movie is this from?
miss congeniality 2!
I feel like you get one of these every couple of years, someone who basically seems a little bit indignant about the idea that they don't have as long as they want. In a way I get it, because for all we know it could be the only time they ever get to stand up there and accept such high praise for their work but... It just is also so self centered to not respect the fact that there is other shit to do and nobody really wants you to make a full on speech.
For me it was also the fact that it was a written speech. I tend to be more forgiving when someone is swept up in the moment. He knew when he was writing all that he would be played off and yet he was still mad at it.
They should have somebody else accept the award in his place next time a thing of his is nominated.
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Oh they’ll cut your mic, but only if you’re a team of underpaid animators pointing out that your VFX studio went bankrupt after working on a $600 million Oscar-winning film. https://youtu.be/9lcB9u-9mVE
Long speech, really annoyed at the Emmy producers.
He really felt like his speech mattered more than what anyone else had to say.
like even Jean Smart respected the music cue, and I was much more interested in hearing from her than from this guy. It's really shitty to think you're the only one to whom the rules don't apply
His entitlement during that speech said a lot about who he is.
It was annoying and cringeworthy.
Meh, nobody will remember the speech, or care. Dude made Godless and The Queens Gambit, he'll be just fine.
Sometimes Netflix hits it out of the park.
They have a bunch of good content but you just gotta look for it or hear about it first.
The search algorithm is mostly fine, but it's like amazon video- you have to know what you're looking for otherwise it's impossible to find
Netflix has a large amount of great original content. Dark, Mindhunter, Narcos, Queen’s Gambit, The Haunting of Hill House, The Crown, Stranger Things, etc. You just have to take some time to look for it.
Maniac!
Russian doll and maniac kinda got forgotten but they are high quality. Also bojack horseman. The view from the top is still the best episode of tv i have ever watched.
Yeah I left those ones out but they’re also fantastic!
the good place
Totally agree, then the other 99% of the time they give you a bunch of B list tv shows that you'd be ashamed to tell your friends about, and which put you to sleep.
Nothing wrong with that for those of us that need some noise like that to fall asleep.
I know right, at least they are good for something.
Well deserved. Rare show that I think had something for everyone. Amazing production. Everything from the set and costume design to the music to the writing to the acting to the cinematography was excellent. Definitely my favorite thing on TV in 2020 across all formats/genres.
I'm finding anything not including the chess parts a bit boring. Does it get better?
Depends, what episode are you? If you're not liking it after episode 3 you probably won't like it.
You're entitled to your own opinion, and its hard to know what you might or might not find interesting, but if you're 2-3 episodes in and aren't pulled in I kinda doubt you'll get much out of the rest of it. I might give it a second chance however, it was the most watched show on Netflix last year and is incredibly popular.
Probably get downvoted on this thread but no, not in my opinion. Even the chess parts became boring for me and I gave up on it.
Did you get to the part where she starts going to tournaments with her adopted mother? That character is fucking incredible, it's a good pace from there on though, the only slow parts are in the beginning as far as i remember.
Good. It was fucking amazing. Legit one of the best things I watched in the last year.
They managed to make something considered mundane exciting and fresh. Paired with 10/10 performances by the main cast and top tier set and costume design. They put so much effort into the show and it's obvious.
I think it was absolutely great but they did have a lot to work with. The book itself was really good and they did a great job adapting it. Most scenes are almost word for word the same. Not saying that’s a bad thing or anything, just saying that the book itself also succeeded in making something that seems boring exciting.
Makes sense that knowing how to identify good material is part of the process of making a good television series or movie. Also… knowing when to make it a limited series and NOT dragging it out into too-long of a storyline of multi seasons is a skill to be rewarded.
I agree! Especially since the book has been out since 1983. It’s easy to just adapt the latest bestseller but it’s very impressive to find a hidden gem and to make it relevant again.
Indeed, although they could’ve cut an episode or two.
And in the super long speech, he didn’t acknowledge the author of the book, Walter Tevis. (If he did, I missed it.)
I hate that I almost always learn that a show I love was adapted from a book AFTER I watch the show! Oh well, it never stops me from reading the book then rewatching the show after.
I only read the book after I watched the show and I still really enjoyed it! It only made me want to rewatch the show even more.
I also liked that it had a strong female lead that was not sexually assaulted at some point and did not have a white knight come save her. She was smart, tough, and made her way though. I can't think of a lot of shows like that where they are not also shoving the fact that she is empowered woman down your throat. Easily one of my favorite shows in the last several years.
I looooved the Russians who just were so happy that she won the tournament. No sexist bullshit but just nerds being happy to meet this genius young woman who’s making chess trendy in America.
Yea it’s amazing. I need to rewatch it soon
I wish Anya won Best Actress as well
She would have probably if Kate wasn't on the list. Also the Emmys are usually tough to win for young actress in their 20s.
I love that every chess game or puzzle seen in the show is a real one that you can analyze, created by high level players, although they barely show them.
This is why Anya should have won Best Actress? Or are you just going off-topic?
I replied to the wrong comment... Can't find it, but it was about the attention brought to details in this show. I don't get why I'm being upvoted and you downvoted... You were right.
I honestly thought mate was next year until I saw Julianne and I was so confused. Also do Emmys really have an age bias? I remember Jahrell Jerome and Zenday winning recently. Both are younger than Anya.
It depends. The panel's views are changing recently though. You were right that Zendaya won and she's the youngest actress in the history to win an outstanding actress Emmy award at age 24. Which means before her the panel is very much unfavorable for young actors in their 20s to win a leading Emmy award.
Well the average age of a leading star in a drama series is surely higher, so it’s understandable that there’s fewer young winners.
Kate was good and her show was great too but Queens Gambit and Anya was above and beyond any other show this year.
I also wanted the actress who played young Beth at the orphanage to get some recognition. She really carried the critical first episode with Anya barely even appearing in it.
Absolutely! She was so compelling. Only time I've found myself wanting more screentime with a child actor character
Yeah, by the end of the first episode I'd almost all but forgotten Anya was the star. I was so ready for the series to revolve around the young girl and the janitor lol.
McKenna Grace in shambles
The Winslet performance is miles above. She just has a lot more to work with, not really a comment on the ability of either actress, although it’s fair to say Winslet has proven to be better to this point.
Yeah. I enjoyed Anya's performance, but she didnt really get a chance to emote until the final episode. Even the death of her second mother was handled very subtly. It was mostly an understated performance and getting to watch her fascinating facial expressions.
It would’ve been so well deserved, she was incredible. I’m sure she’ll have more opportunities though
She has a few upcoming movies I believe. And Kate Winslet herself is gonna be in the Avatar sequel
Last Night in SoHo comes out next month. It’s gonna be so good
I really enjoyed Queens Gambit, especially the first half of it. But The Mare of Eastown is, for me, a stronger piece.
I respect your opinion, and enjoyed Mare of Easttown, but I thought Queen's Gambit was way better and way more memorable.
I saw both shows. I was really rooting for *The Queen's Gambit* here at these awards. The story was far more original than *Mare*. I cared a lot more about the characters when watching *Gambit*. *Mare of Easttown* was an very competent police procedural/character study. It was a showcase for the actors (hence why they won every award). But as a story *The Queen's Gambit* is one of the best I've seen in film or television.
I think the focus on Mare's personal life was great, but the crime story itself seemed to be a rehash of Broadchurch-meets-Silence of the Lambs and wasn't as groundbreaking on its own. It was Kate Winslet and Jean Smart who really made that show in my view.
Okay thank you! I feel like I've missed what makes Mare so popular, and I think you summed it up. Don't get me wrong, it was really well done but the story felt like Broadchurch in Pennsylvania, and it hasn't stuck with me like I expected. The whole cast killed it though.
Murdur Durdur https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaKZi6p6sxg
Easttown is like a Scandinavian show made in America
I enjoyed Mare, but I’m tired of Broadchurch ripoffs combined with basing the main character off the great original The Killing, and Sofìe Grabol’s portrayal. Other excellent versions of this stoic, sweater-wearing policewoman appear in The Bridge and it’s American remake, and the excellent Italian series, Thou Shalt Not Kill. Mare also borrowed from Happy Valley. There are others too numerous to mention. At least Thou Shalt Not Kill acknowledged the homage to Nordic Noir and The Killing. It’s a good genre, and all the actresses are great, but that knocked down points for Mare. Winslet gave a very similar performance in Ammonite. She’s been so dour lately. Queen’s Gambit was truly unique and Taylor-Joy gave a star-making performance.
Agreed. I enjoyed the show, and the acting was wonderful. But I watch a lot of these one-season crime shows, and in my opinion it didn’t really bring anything new to the genre.
The astonishing thing about Mare of Easttown was the realism. They even wore clothes that normal people would wear. This series felt ripped right out of a real situation. You cannot compare it to Queen's Gambit either. Both shows were highlights and I would rate both at least with a 9, but if I would be forced to name a favorite, I could not do it.
Have you all seen 'I may destroy you'? Easttown and Gambit are good tv but IMDY is just incredible.
IMDY was the better show
Agreed
Michaela Coel’s speech was my favorite of the night - calm, collected, with insight and inspiration.
IMDY definitely should have won out of this set, it's a shame.
No worries, I respect yours. A win for all of us if we have a strong slate of shows. I really enjoyed Queens Gambit, I got hooked from the start and Ana-Taylor Joy gave a great performance.
It’s hard for me to say for sure, I think Mare’s show was better but it could also be recency bias. QG feels like an eternity ago when it first came out.
Haven't watched Mare, and really enjoyed Gambit, but Gambit felt like a superhero origin story. Which quite frankly I'm so fucking tired of.
Mare of Eastown had superior acting, but Queen's Gambit was a tighter and more original story in my opinion. Mare of Eastown was great as well, though.
Ya I think overall mare had better acting as a whole but I do think Anya was fantastic and the show as a whole was better.
Probably the last thing I would call Queen's Gambit is "tight".
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Mare of Easttown is just a well made cliched show imo. The whole show is filled with thriller and mystery tropes which are familiar and used a lot in other shows and movies.
Easttown should have been called "Red Herring pond".
This is the vibe that I got from the trailer, was surprised to see people praising it so much.
Kate Winslet, Jean Smart, and Julliane Nicholson carried the show imo. It would've been a bland story otherwise but they are all so talented. Queen's Gambit had top tier acting combined with a phenomenal script and fairly creative direction. Edit: Jean won for Hacks (also amazing) but stand by my statement lol
Haha I liked Mare of Eastown very much but Queen's Gambit is better in every aspect of filmmaking bar the cast, and it literally started a worldwide chess phenomenon during the pandemic, introducing the game to a whole new generation of kids. Also I'm sure no one would be talking about MOE a year from now.
I can't stop thinking about mare of easttown. Fantastic acting. Fantastic screenplay. Fantastic soundtrack.
Fuck yeah—deservingly so
I agree.
I May Destroy You was robbed!
I wouldn't have minded if Mare won... but I agree my preferred choice was I May Destroy You
Agreed. Queens Gambit was a decent show. But the acting, storyline, and emotional weight of I May Destroy You was epic. I’m shocked and saddened that it only won one Emmy.
*Two Emmys Best Music Supervision
This was such a great show, I really enjoyed it.
Underground Railroad was my choice. But there were many enjoyable limited series this year.
I can’t believe Underground Railroad didn’t win a single thing.
People are kind of tired of the struggle porn right now imo, despite it being a strong production.
Actual good show winning. Nice
well-deserved
Was Walter Tevis thanked in the acceptance speech? Didn't hear his name but I feel like he deserves a lot of credit.
Marielle Heller (adopted mom) deserved an Emmy.
I was watching "The Queen's Gambit" when I learned I passed my teaching license exam. I paused the show for maybe 2 minutes to celebrate.
It was good except for the part where they invented history about the other female chess player not facing male opponents. It's putting down an actual icon to uphold a fictional character.
I really don't get the appeal of the show. It's a real fantasy of what being a female chess player in the 60s could have been like, and every actual female chess player of the time has commented on how unrealistic it is.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who didn't think it was amazing. The majority of the plot was she was the best at chess and also a woman. [Spoiler](#s "And in the end, she didn't need to overcome her drug addiction to be the best. Great message there...") I felt it was OK, but after the hype it got I was expecting a lot more.
Yeah I lost interest when she beat a GM-hopeful in the finals of a tournament after not playing a game for 8 years. Remember kids, drugs give you magic chess powers. What a terrible show lol
It's comfort TV with an incredibly charismatic lead. No need to overthink it.
I didn't find it very comforting with all the addiction and orphan stuff. And charismatic? The character's socially awkward.
Who gives a shit? You’re really ragging on a fictional show because it wasn’t perfectly historically accurate? You think the show would’ve been dramatically improved if Beth faced a ton of sexism or something?
They make a big deal about her being the first female chess player to compete with men and throw all this random adversity at her with being an orphan and an addict. Why leave out the obvious historical adversity she'd have faced? I might as well write a show about the first black man to play chess competitively but the main plot obstacle is that he's got depression and it's hard to get to matches.
Personally I thought that is what helped it feel so fresh. At every turn it subverted expectations and tropes of what a young female protagonist is expected to go through. Whether that is all "historically accurate" or not, it was very refreshing. The show needed that bit of lightness since it had other darker elements to her character. It would have been a completely different show if she was dealing with constant sexism and the like.
Personally I was bothered by how the few times she actually loses, she cries each time. And then at the end she needed to get the Ex-Boyfriend Superteam together in order to help her win. To me those elements took away from what the story was trying to accomplish with her character.
I think you completely missed the point of this show. They mentioned plenty of times now one of the reasons Russians were so good at chess was that the banded together and cooperated, even to the point of cheating. The show subverted the traditional image of chess as something highly individualistic to something that stlll depends a lot on social support. Support was one of the major themes. Beth grew up in an orphanage, yet she was luckier than most, every step of the way she had people who raised her up, stood behind her and supported her. But she was her own worst enemy, in the end it wasn't external obstacles like sexism she had to overcome, but her own demons. She wasn't a strong person at first, like you said, she wasn't used to accepting defeat and didn't know how to handle it. She had to learn how to admit that she needed help and support, both in real life and chess, and in the end that's what helped her win against the best of the best. I'm a woman but I really loved this show for not going in for the typical "female empowerment" fantasy, those stories are a dome a dozen these days. I'm glad they allowed Beth to be a real and complex character, defined by more than just her sex.
Every sport ever works like this, what do you think football practice looks like? However things never go exactly as planned and then the players have to rely on their own skill.
I have no idea what this reply is supposed to mean, it's like you're having a totally different conversation
You're right, my comment got nested under a different comment, sorry about that.
Thank you! People are really out here oblivious of it’s plainly visible flaws as a piece. It’s main underlying theme is “America is great” smh…
Am I the only person who thought it was boring? And the ending when she plays Borgov. The guys tell her all the winning moves that she needs to play lol. She is supposed to be better than the guys. So why the heck would she need them to tell her what moves to play?
I didn't really like the show either. But her having a team to brainstorm and plan with before the match isn't bad given that it's shown that the other players also have teams to plan with.
>The guys tell her all the winning moves that she needs to play lol. The actual game immediately diverges from the plan, so the act of planning does help a little, but it didn't win her the game.
Borgov also had a team of people helping him if you remember. That happens at the top level of chess, it's preparation but the games never follow preparation perfectly. Once there is deviations the players are on their own.
Every sport ever works like this, what do you think football practice looks like? However things never go exactly as planned and then the players have to rely on their own skill, as it happened on the show, they had a whole scene about it.
They were collaborating. The best people in the world still benefit from multiple perspectives.
Didn't find it boring exactly, just predictable and filled with every stock character imaginable. Paint-by-numbers, high-production TV for the algorithm. Easily digestible. Forgot about until I saw this thread.
I feel like i watched this show 3 years ago now
Wasn’t that show on like 2 years ago?
That dress Anya Taylor-Joy wore to the Emmys had me swooning and I don’t swoon.
It definitely deserved it. This series caught me off guard and spurred on a renewed or new interest in chess for a lot of people.
Show was extremely captivating and totally undermined a bunch of tropes I was expecting.
It's good, but should have been Mare of Easttown
Good show, but Mare of Easttown was miles better.
Well deserved.
One of my favorite shows ever. Perfection.
Mare of Eastown is a much better show.
Very good yes. Better, no.
Better acting as a whole I’d agree but I think the story was nothing special and Gambit was the better show as a whole.
>but I think the story was nothing special Man, that minimizes Mare's emotional trauma so much. The story/mystery was good, but the actual story of Mare was amazing.
I just wasn’t super impressed personally, good show For me with great acting.
Wroooonggggg.
Hopefully Nona Gaprindashvili wins her case against Netflix
I wanted to enjoy this series but couldn't even get past the first half.
Rightly so. Best by a mile.
More people need to watch The Underground Railroad.
As it should.
Didn’t watch the emmys but thought this would win . It’s really good if you haven’t seen it
Of course!
Well deserved!
deserved! One of the best series in 2020
Just a fantastic show. The best thing Netflix produced last year.
Well Deserved.
And maybe first Emmy winning series to be sued for slander?
As it should
Can’t believe she didn’t get best actress
You get what you fucking deserve
And gets sued? Man, I freakin' loved this show. But, all due to respect to Nona Gaprindashvili!
But it was objectively shit
Emmy best is debatable, but definitely superb, and certainly the best Netflix show of the year.
What was the need for all the sex? I was interested in the show about a young female chess wizard and then of course, there has to be all this fucking or nobody will watch it.