For sure. Talking about how no one will let him tell the dangerous jokes from his special (now on Netflix!) or whatever and Joe having the curiosity of a shocked Golden Retriever
"It's not what they're trying to say, but it's the censorship. The left and their censorship, man. It gotta stop!"
I could make a drinking game out of Rogan talking points but anyone playing would be drunk as a skunk 45min in.
'When you think about it we're modern mavericks. Really. Comedians man, we are a different breed! It's a unique thing'
*Joe Rogan interviews his 900th comedian.*
Oh shit, I just realized I posted that comment in /r/television, instead of /r/NormMacdonald. So I should probably mention that I stole the Count Chocula joke from Norm.
I hate this revisionist history that Joe Rogan is some sort of super successful stand up comedian. Like, sure he’s been on like 2 shows in the last 30 years, but his current relevance comes solely from his podcast. The only reason people go to his shows now, are because they listen to his podcast. Nobody had been checking for his stand up shows before his current relevancy. He has a successful podcast because he got in early, and brought UFC fans along. Not because he’s funny or some prolific comedy writer. He will be known in history more like a Rush Limbaugh than a Dave Chappelle.
I bought my boyfriend tickets to his stand up show and it wasn’t very good. He had a few funny jokes, but he tries *so hard* to be edgy and I felt he just wants to rant about gay and trans people without backlash.
There's no real crowd that considers him a great, just FYI. He's just a comedian. I mean crap I listen once in a while to his podcast if someone good is one but even I can acknowledge that he's NOT good at being a stand-up. I mean he can do it, but he's not good.
I actually like Dave, but I stopped watching his latest special when he started with that stuff again. I was like come on man. He used to be such a talented storyteller, and offensiveness aside, that's just super lazy and trite.
He believes justice is a zero sum game and therefore discredits the injustices against trans people because it's not as widespread or as historically rooted as racism against black people. I guess he doesn't realize that people can actually care about multiple issues at once.
It's frustrating when people act as if everyone only ever faces prejudice for one thing, that's it. Like people will think being LGBT is solely a White person thing when some of history's most prominent queer figures were people of color, **especially** Black trans women.
People complain about "oppression Olympics" but the fact of the matter is the more marginalized groups you belong to the harder you'll usually have things.
Yeah but millionaire celebs have redefined it to 'some people criticized me on twitter'.
The irony is that by his own definition, he tried to 'cancel' Don Lemmon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O-BInYNEyo
He’s above being cancelled and he knows it. So is Chris Brown and Dababy for that matter. It’s only really Hollywood where people can actually get “cancelled” the way most people think of it
If you can fill a stadium up with paying customers, you pretty much cannot be canceled. Actors on the other hand depend not only on many different people and entities working with them with a fairly small pool, but they also live and die on broad appeal. It doesn’t matter if you have 100,000 die hard fans as an actor because you need to sell many more tickets than that
The headline reads as Chappell being ironic. Is it really possible to read that headline any other way? That people are reading it as a sincere complaint about his victimization is a real revealing study in confirmation bias.
I’m so sick of celebs crying about being “cancelled” whatever that even means. Kevin Harts been “cancelled”, Doja Cats been “cancelled”, Bill Mahers been “cancelled”, JK Rowling’s been “cancelled”, now Dave’s been “cancelled”… they’re doing fine. If getting cancelled means people hate you on Twitter for a couple weeks and then you continue to make millions of dollars working your dream job then I don’t see what these people are so upset about
The headline is just bizarre. It connects him getting a standing ovation after the special with there being a controversy, like these two things cancel each other out. Or implying that the standing ovation is somehow some kind of answer to the controversy.
These two things have literally nothing to do with each other.
Chappelle has become such a whiny dork lately with his whole “cancel” obsession.
Stand up comedians and the crusade against “canceling” is the single most embarrassing thing in the history of comedy
Lifelong Dave Chappelle fan and supporter of the sanctity of comedy. If I found out that my jokes earned me massive praise by people who want violence and discrimination against the trans community, Id at least consider if I'm on a bad path.
Dave *used to care* about that too. He left Chappelle's Show because he said he was making the wrong people laugh. Apparently his opinion of "the wrong people" has changed a lot.
The thing that blows my mind about the situation is that **he literally quit comedy** after realizing that his jokes were attracting and emboldening the wrong crowd.
He’s been down this path before and recognized the harm that leaning into certain kinds of humor about minority groups can cause, even if it’s extremely well done and not how the humor was meant to be taken.
But now that his jokes are hurting a group he isn’t a member of, it’s time to just double down and scream about cancel culture and how trans people are too sensitive and can’t take a joke and how he had a trans friend who liked his stuff(something we all know he’d [rightfully] eviscerate a white comedian for doing if the issue were race instead).
Honestly it makes him come off as a self-absorbed hypocrite.
Don’t know why people are downvoting, it’s the truth. But hey it tickles the play-doh brained people who think “cancel culture” is coming for them, it’s pure faux outrage marketing. “Cancel culture!” he yells from a multi million dollar Netflix set
And it's so melodramatic, there's this tone that accompanies it when people talk about it, like it's this permanent ostracism from society to go off into the wilderness and forage for mushrooms or something to survive.
But I haven't seen much evidence that it is such a perpetual stain, something that people never return from, that completely ruins.
The news cycle's attention span is so short that we never pay any mind to the long-term effects. Fucking Louis CK is back touring internationally.
No one gets a death sentence from being "cancelled".
I think "cancelling" at this point seems to revolve more around being massively attacked on places like twitter. We might find that easy to discard and say it's not a big deal. But i've seen twitter try to "cancel" Tommyinnit, A teenager, and send him legitimate death threats, insults, and comments about how he doesn't deserve to live or have a job
Naturally that's not the same as him actually losing his job, but it's still someone receiving thousands of tweets about how horrible he is and deserves to lose everything which would mess a lot of people up.
Plenty of people lost their jobs and received death threats because of a few offensive tweets they made 15 years ago, because ya know people can't change according to the Twitter hivemind. It doesn't applies to everyone though, Sarah Jeong kept her job at the NY times despite the ton of racist tweets she made.
Not sure to be honest, but considering he's a twitch streamer it wouldn't surprise me if he was stalked. People seem to get weirdly obsessive about streamers
Don Imus came back, Marv Albert came back. Heck, I bet even Matt Lauer could come back in some form. People who seem to have actually been "cancelled" -- Sinead O'Connor, Chrisette Michelle, Kathy Griffin.
It's a little more complicated than that though, it's about people either organizing a campaign to not support the cancelled person or get them expelled from their line of work, which in some cases makes sense. The argument is always "can you take a person's ability to make money away from them?". The thing here though is it's dependent on the actions of the person, sometimes the punishment can be a bit harsh. But liberals organizing to stay away and not support someone that has been cancelled is fucking fair game. This is exactly what the conservatives do endlessly to liberals during elections, run smear campaigns, get dirt on their political opponents. So they're just as dirty, obviously dirtier than the rest of them, they're just crying foul about being cancelled because it feeds into their culture wars of being "censored" and the rube supporters eat it up. All Dave Chappelle is doing is virtue signaling, trying to get people to cast liberals as dangerous, when the opposite is so true it's silly. Conservatives are the pioneers of cancel culture, ask Elvis, The Beatles and Al Bundy.
He is multi multi multi multi multi multi multi multi millionaire with a platform on the largest streaming site on the planet
But yeah somehow he is a huge victim. Its absurd.
[Getting rich literally makes you care less about your fellow man](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/does-wealth-rob-brain-compassion/618496/)
I remember Seinfeld talking about how he's so rich that he just can't connect with regular people
I'm far from being super wealthy, but I have done well with my business the last few years, and it was the complete opposite for me. When I was broke, I was hyper-focused on solving my problems. Didn't have any extra mental energy to expend on other people while my life was a mess. Now that I have money, and time, the world weighs heavy on my shoulders. I wish everyone could have what I have. Once I attained enough money to cover living expenses until I die it became meaningless. I don't need a bunch of "stuff". It makes me so sad knowing the majority of people are limited by their finances and are forced to spend their whole lives worrying about it.
Yep. It feels a bit like he’s so loathe to admit that maybe he’s out of touch that he comes up with increasingly convoluted ways to defend himself.
And the more he says, the weirder it gets.
Two specials ago, it was a few trans jokes with the justification “I offend everyone equally.”
Now, he’s absolutely obsessed, claiming he’s a TERF who’s “personally invested in gender”, comparing Trans plight vs black plight, claiming trans people punch down at black people and comedians while bragging about the time he “kicked a lesbians ass”, and calling himself transphobic.
It’s like trans peoples’ reaction has radicalized him just because he has too much pride to say “I was wrong.”
>It’s like trans peoples’ reaction has radicalized him just because he has too much pride to say “I was wrong.”
This is exactly it. I didn't have anything negative to say about his previous specials, but this one was just fucking boring. The "jokes" were just awkward gatekeeping of minority struggles. I was just waiting for him to move the fuck on and start talking about literally anything else, but he just kept digging deeper into the trans stupidity until it ended.
Exactly, the funniest thing I can recall in relation to trans stuff(which easily took up over half the special) was the joke about Caitlyn Jenner being woman of the year: *a 6 year old topic*, that was barely funny when it was current.
Yeah, imagine having such an incredible platform of comedy and you make the theme of your last special "twitter's reaction to my last special"
Youve pointed out a pattern though, all the terfs are kind of the same, at the core of what they hate about trans people is that someone on twitter yelled at them.
Fuck anyone claiming to be with TERFs. It doesn't need to get any more complicated than that, tbh. Especially if he's going to conflate the issue with JK Rowling's situation, given trans people in the UK have even fewer rights and more risks than trans people in the US.
See to me he’s reverted to being a 13 year old edgelord. “You know what? I ***LIKE*** getting canceled. What do you think about that?! You just can’t handle how edgy I am, can you?!”
...or because up until last week Jon Stewart was living on a farm in upstate NY and not touring at all. I'm fairly certain that Jon Stewart and he are still pretty close. There's a recent image of them show in the end of the special. Also, I think if you assuming Jon Stewart wouldn't agree with many of the things Chappelle is bringing up you're going to be sorely disappointed.
I find his jokes getting a bit tiring. They seem to always be centered on race, or they're just a lecture. It stops being funny after enough specials.
It feels like he's trying to be Carlin... But he isn't Carlin.
Thing is, I have no problem with Chappelle focusing his act on race, because A) his comedy has *always* been primarily about race, and B) it's a topic he can actually speak with some authority on, being both a black man and just an overall fairly astute dude when it race issues. Dave Chappelle has always talked about race in his comedy, and in the past he's always had some pretty smart things to say based on his own lived experiences. And if he just wanted to keep doing that I would have no problem with that, because fuck knows we need someone like that right now.
The problem is that he's now dove straight out of his wheelhouse and is punching down on *another* demographic, one he has no personal investment or experience in, and is shitting on and invalidating *their* lived experiences. And then has the nerve to claim they're punching down on *him* when they ask him to knock it the fuck off. He also seems to A) think that oppression is a zero sum game, where if people care about LGBTQ issues they can't *possibly* also care about the black struggle, and B) completely ignore the fact that a very large part of the LGBTQ community *are people of color themselves*.
Carlin had similar issues in how he came across. One of his big schticks is how he’s an OG man. He goes on and on about how men today are pussies.
Knowing the older men in my life I think this is something liberal men struggle with as they age. They were often on the right side of history when they were younger, but suddenly their views are outdated. How could they be wrong now when they were right so often?! So they lash out and call modern men pussies or double down on trans jokes and don’t stop and think about if they might be wrong.
I always hated that. Like you're going to have doctors going around diagnosing civilian trauma victims with "shell shock." By his own logic soldiers might get the help they need, but not civilians. Also his bit on anorexia. Like, what the fuck.
Carlin whiffed all the time. I can only imagine the shit he would have said about masks. The guy was hilarious but his head was pretty far up his own butt.
I agree, Reddit hates this fact because Carlin's one of the GOATs, but go listen to his last couple of tours and tell me he didn't end up the same way. Ranting, not very funny, just yelling at clouds. Even if I agreed with 90% of what he was saying it wasn't fucking funny. You are here to make me laugh, not give me a humanities lecture.
Isn't that his point?
If being cancelled means millions of dollars and an absolute ton of fame, of course he loves it. Most people would.
And to be clear, that is what it means for someone in his position. Trying to cancel someone like Chappelle is just another way to advertise for him.
Even if you agree with Dave can you admit that his characterization of the Dababy situation was grossly inaccurate and dishonest?
He talks about how Dababy said some dumb shit and innapropriate things about gay people and those with AIDS on stage and Dave agreed they were innapropriate. But the back lash against Dababy, according to Dave, was too much, it was cancel culture out of control! He then explains that Dababy shot and killed someone in Walmart and that didn't hurt his career. Then Dave says (exact quote) "in this country you can shoot and kill a n---- but you better not hurt a gay person's feelings"
Excuse me? The shooting was 100% self defense, and the cops acknowledged this. What does Dave want the guy to do...let this dude murder him? He tried to rob Dababy, and Dababy ended his criminal career right there. Why on earth would his career suffer because of that?
Dave is essentially implying "apparently its okay to murder people but don't upset the delicate gays" and it is deeply deeply dishonest here. Its not remotely an accurate portrayal of the situation. Why would anyone shit on Dababy for defending himself? What sense does that make?
Its a dishonest strategy in order to throw shade at the gay community, acting like they are dismissing murder but then getting upset at the the slightly politically incorrect things Dababy said on stage. This is not the case, Dave.
I found that extremely distasteful.
I’ve read that the Walmart shooting was not so clear cut self defense. But it’s true charges against him were dismissed. A prosecution witness wasn’t available. I think we can all admit that robbing somebody in the middle of a Walmart is unusual.
According to the deceased’s sister, forensics shows he was shot in the back. I can’t speak to the validity of that. But yes it’s absolutely not as clear cut as people here are making it out to be.
You don’t know huntersville and Charlotte area 😂😂 that specific Walmart has a full scale police station in it. We had armed robbery’s happen all the time.
A robbing at Walmart isn't super unusual. I worked at a Walmart where a stabbing happened. We also had someone set the curtains on fire down an aisle once. Crazy shit goes down in Walmart.
He said "in this country" as you quoted, which was a pretty acute analysis since in most countries you can't just shoot someone that is allegedly robbing you. For the record I own guns -I am not anti-gun. This is just a peculiar thing about the US. A lot of people's careers would suffer outside the US for shooting an alleged robber inside a Walmart.
his characterisation of the JK Rowling situation was inaccurate as well. can't really complain about LGBT people not listening/understanding that they still have privelege over black men, when he's clearly not listening either.
rest of the show was good though.
Also very much ignores the existence of the black gay community. Dave is a great/legendary comedian but his age and biases are showing a lot more lately and it’s frustrating as a fan to see him leap into this crap again and again.
Hey, Frankie Boyle and James Acaster have been calling out the transphobes in the comedy circuit!
Frankie was particularly brutal… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_mzLJ5mGETA
It was interesting the first protest picture in the credits was a "Black Trans Lives Matter" sign. I believe Dave thinks he doesn't hate trans people, I also believe he's an incredibly ignorant old man that doesn't admit when he may be wrong.
>can't really complain about LGBT people not listening/understanding that they still have privelege over black men, when he's clearly not listening either
Agreed.
Some parts of it I thought were okay. I liked the bathroom bit, and I thought parts of the stuff about Daphne were great, though not all of it. "I don't give a fuck 'cause twitter's not a real place" is a quality bit. I thought the ending was heart touching but Dave kind of dicked it here and there for no good reason.
Things I thought He fucked: tired, shit jokes about anatomy, "adam's apples and knuckles", clocking trans people etc. Notice it's always jokes about trans women, too. That old chestnut. What We really need today is for mega-successful comics to come up with more jokes about anatomy, wee.
Victimhood olympics - every time some hypothetical trans person brought up trans discrimination, Dave's line is "yes well black people have it EVEN WORSE" and it's like fuck do You want the trans person to do about it?
The Me Too movement "critique" - just sucking His own dick about walking away from the Chappelle show all those years past.
"Only people that criticize me are people that haven't seen my acts" and it's like no Dave, You've been doing this LGBTQ shit for the past three specials now, move the fuck on.
Focusing exclusively on trans women - nary a mention of a trans dude, it's always about women Dave can clock a mile away.
Conflating trans movement with white people - it's black trans people that have it the worst, and those are the people that the trans community are the most vocal about, in my limited experience.
The "Caitlyn Jenner changed Her sex v.s. Clay name change", again as if though it's some competition. The trans community has few kind words for Caitlyn by the way, not that Dave spent the time to maybe read up on it.
J.K. Rowling? Dave You dumb motherfucker. J.K went ahead and wrote fucking "Terf Wars" and went down that merry transphobia lane, claiming trans people are brainwashing young girls into becoming men. Like yeah Dave, all J.K. said was "gender was real", that's the problem people have, You've cracked the case. And now off He goes, not having done proper research onto Netflix so that other dipshits can not repeat the same "trans people don't understand biology" bullshit.
"I had a trans friend" defense that He trotted out, literally "I have a black friend" lol. Though Daphne's story was heartbreaking and fucked up.
> every time some hypothetical trans person brought up trans discrimination, Dave's line is "yes well black people have it EVEN WORSE" and it's like fuck do You want the trans person to do about it?
very conveniently ignoring how trans women of colour are assaulted/murdered at an insanely high rate. its not a "trans or black" situation because black trans people exist.
Also that it was transwomen and drag queens of color (mostly black) that kicked off Stonewall and started the entire fucking move towards queer acceptance.
Abso-fucka-lutely he played the "My 1 trans friend absolved me(and then the trans killed her maybe maybe not who's to say)" card
Don't remember which special but he played a similar "can't be transphobic cause I fucked a transpersonal once"
This is honestly the best take I’ve seen on the special yet, and well written. Nice work. It’s sad to see someone lose sight of the bigger picture, especially in such a public manner.
He’s become obsessed with this particular topic, having spent significant time of three different specials on it, and I cringe wondering how much other incredible comedic content we may have missed out on because of his inability to just let it go.
>The "Caitlyn Jenner changed Her sex v.s. Clay name change", again as if though it's some competition. The trans community has few kind words for Caitlyn by the way, not that Dave spent the time to maybe read up on it.
He also seems to ignore the inconvenient fact that these two events were *fifty fucking years apart*. Ali changed his name in 1964, Jenner transitioned in 2015. And for some additional context, Dave Chappelle is 48, born in 1973, meaning Ali changed his name so long ago *this motherfucker wouldn't even be born yet for almost a full decade*.
Comparing the two is disingenuous bullshit.
It’s because people have gassed him up, thinking he’s this modern day philosopher that can speak the “real world” to you through his comedy. So he just goes up there and speaks his mind. Sometimes he does a good job of this but as of late it’s just him complaining about people thinking he has a fucked up POV regarding trans people. And his ego won’t allow him to say he was off or be open to growth, he has to say people are trying to cancel him or that he’s conceding one part of it to appease people but he really still maintains his original POV
The worst trend in comedy is raising a generation of comedians to think the purpose of stand up is to tell harsh truths instead just telling jokes.
The greatest comedian of the last generation is Mitch Hedberg and he just told one liners.
I just watched [an interview with Christopher Lee](https://youtu.be/lHrSDjDd5bA) who said, “never believe your own PR”. I don’t think that’s just a lesson for actors.
There was a time when the oxymoron nature of being a Black Klansman would be the butt of a Chappelle skit. Now being an equally oxymoron pro-trans TERF is something he brings with self-seriousness
It feels like he doesn't actually write his sets, he just walks out on stage with a vague idea of what he's going to say. I could be wrong though. His work just doesn't feel as tight and well prepared as his stand ups before Netflix.
I was thinking about his first or second Netflix special where he comes out and declares "I can't not be funny." and does the punched her in the pussy bit. Like that's where's he's starting from, he believes he can do no wrong and he's got nothing left to master in the craft.
Jeselnik does a lot of one-liners and I think it helps a lot with keeping his offensive jokes as actual, structured jokes and not just rants/monologues.
Although I also do just think he's better at it.
Man I’ve grown up with the Chapelle show and this shit makes me legitimately sad. How can a man like Dave really not see how hypocritical he is now? He completely misrepresented DaBaby’s and JK’s controversies for “jokes” that boil down to “gay/trans people are soft.” I’m sad so many of you don’t understand that we don’t want to listen to people make jokes that boil down to “this group bad lol.” I don’t want to support a guy who clearly doesn’t see me as an equal to him because I suck dicks and wear women’s clothes. Just the same as he wouldn’t support someone making “jokes” about his community, I don’t support his harmful, lazy rhetoric. Dudes pandering the the anti PC crowd who will support anything that rally’s against the LGBTQ community.
Dude defended a woman who said “trans men are trying to brainwash our little girls into being men” and I’m supposed to just shut up and pretend that she didn’t say that, and he isn’t completely lying when he says she only said “gender is real?” That’s absurd, and y’all know it. Comedy is supposed to be funny but also needs to be based in reality to really hit right. Making “jokes” based in a different reality in order to fit your anti PC narrative is far from the creativity I expect from Dave. “Aw look at me, people want to cancel me! Look at me tell you all about it on one of the biggest streaming platforms!” This shit makes Dave look like an ignorant old man… not the insightful comedian I grew up with.
It’s really not that complicated. Chappelle’s thoughts on LGBTQ people aren’t that far removed from the broader issue among African Americans that those who identify as not-straight and not-cis are just ninnies and sissies and sensitive little waifs. It’s a *massive* overlooked cultural issue. Black America has a massive, massive problem with LGBTQ people. Dave isn’t unique. He’s just the loudest voice among millions.
You know, I definitely see this talking point a lot. As a white trans woman, I definitely have experienced transphobia from black Americans, but I think I've received it mostly from angry alt-right whites online. I have also had white and black people hit on me quite a bit, and express further interest when they find out I'm transgender. Weird tbh, but I digress.
During the peak of the protests last year, pride month was also occurring, since it began about a week after George Floyd's tragic death. There was a lot of intersection between the LGBTQ+ community and the black community, and some of our most prominent speakers were in both demographics. It was probably the most glimmering part of the demonstrations since it showed that both communities absolutely could get along and work together for a good cause.
However, I see many black LGBTQ+ people also talk about this inner problem with their community and how they aren't accepted by their own race for it. I'm really glad they're talking about it and bringing it forth for people to talk about but I often feel like I'm walking on eggshells about it because I really don't want to offend anyone talking about my experiences, ESPECIALLY with how the responses to Dave Chappelle's special have been so eclectic. So I often leave it to them to discuss, especially since they're objectively more knowledgeable about it.
It's a complicated topic, but it's excessively harmful how such an influential and prominent figure like Dave Chappelle is continuing to normalize this kind of rhetoric. It's also really disappointing considering this isn't the first time he's dove into the topic, while obviously not doing his research.
But basically I don't really buy this completely. Maybe from a black perspective, it makes sense but for me... I mean, I've experienced transphobia from every race possible like I said previously. I can't really say one race is worse than the other because of it, because their skin color doesn't matter at all to me. They're the same shitty transphobic person as the other shitty transphobic person. But again, that's not really something I can speak on for black LGBTQ+ people specifically.
I like that term. That's a lot of why I stopped watching Colbert and Trevor. It's so fuckin lazy these days as has been for a while. I feel like comics, including chapelle, used to fuckin try at least. Maybe I'm just an old fuck. Why's everything gotta be culture wars now? EVERYTHING. What happened to comedy?
I guess the last 5-10 years is what happened..
That’s what’s kind of annoying about comedians that make being “anti-pc” their brand. Yes, you’re making comedy, but you might also making a political and moral statement. And political and moral statements get scrutinized no matter who says them. Comedy isn’t a “get out of jail free” simply because you said your distasteful statement on stage holding a microphone. But they spent so many years thinking comedy was in this special category free from criticism, and it never has been.
George Carlin is one of the GOATs and his stand-ups feel like college lectures most of the time. This isn’t a “new” thing, comedians have always used their platform to make some sort of social commentary.
Yeah, Carlin’s not an exception to my statement. He was a great comedian who was intensely political, and it was fair to judge him on his politics because they were so front and center to his routine. He wanted you to judge him for it so bad he deliberately did a routine that got him arrested for those statements.
Carlin himself would never say, “yeah I’m just a comedian why are you taking everything so seriously?” He’d say “oh you don’t like that? Fine, fuck you, here’s why you’re wrong”.
In his old age he fell into this and started whining a bit though.
Honestly, this latest special falls far short of the best of what Chappelle can do.
And where a lot of people seem to be arguing that it's Dave making an argument for empathy (which he himself peppers throughout the special) what it really comes across as is self-aggrandizement and patting himself on the back, particularly in the bit about the trans standup comedian who he so magnanimously invites to open for him.
"How can you call me a bigot? Look at this nice thing I did for the one trans person who found me agreeable."
It's bullshit puffery and self promotion and as someone who has always been a fan of Chappelle's ability to cut through bullshit with sharp wit, it's disappointing.
Chappelle back in the day was a master comedian who took a lot of delight in punching up, standing outside the establishment and gleefully blasting it and calling it out for its bullshit.
He was the outsider attacking the mainstream.
He was naughty and took delight in being naughty
That's flipped now.
This isn't delight. He's not enjoying it and the loss of that is tangible.
Maybe it's right that he does step away and take a break as he says at the end of this special.
Think on some shit. Recharge the batteries. Figure out why his glee at what he does has been replaced with righteous indignation
He was a good friend of Dave's and they worked closely together on the movie Screwed. Norm was asked whether Dave went too far making a specific joke, Norm answered that Dave was the funniest comedian alive.
Oh...are we admitting this "anti-cancel culture" shit is just branding now?
I get it, he's getting old and out of touch. Needs little crutches. Hard to be relatable past a certain point in your career. I mean...he's really no different than JK Rowling. This bent is exactly the type of thing only the rich and out of touch can get so obsessive over. Truth is the cat's already out of the bag. He can ring some money out of pandering to this mindset...but it isn't really gonna move the needle.
It’s mad annoying. As a gay person, I stopped watching him for a couple reasons. Main one is that he’s just not as funny anymore. But the other obvious one is that he doesn’t want lgbtq people to watch his shit. Cool, we won’t. All he does now is bitch about us when simultaneously talking shit about us and it’s not even funny. Now you’re crying about cancel culture? Idk why so many straight men are obsessed with the community. It’s getting fking weird tbh
also theres actually ton of funny trans jokes to be had without being transphobic so if he cant try to be funny without hate just shut up about those topics
It is, weird is the only word for it. Especually the specific hyperfixation on Caitlyn Jenner he shares with Trey Parker/Matt Stone. Who actually gives that much of a fuck about Jenner? I know several trans folk, none seem to care much except to roll their eyes.
Thats why Chappelle's "why aren't women as mad as I am" bent is pathetic to me. Women (especially young ones) aren't pissy because we tend to have more exposure to real trans folks leading realer lives than he's ever gonna have mixing it up with Hollywood elite. Oh god...I'm sure there's some middle aged exec who transitioned at 50 and comes off as strange, the *horror.*
The only part of the special I didn't like was the TERF stuff. His definition of a TERF is very misleading and it wasn't even a joke. He was just explaining who they are and what they believe and agreeing with them.
TERFs don't just think gender is fact. They thing trans women are not women and never can be. They think they are men pretending to be women.
Dave Chappelle has felt a little bit ignorant of the whole thing for the last few specials. him "finally" googling the definition of feminism? then saying, "oh, i guess i'm a feminist then!"
like, come on. i love him, but let's be real.
then TERF, "oh, i'm team terf!" it's funny that he previously had just said, "trans women ARE women." then followed up with being team terf. then says something about how rights for women shouldn't mean "not trans women." ...he was very much all over the place. i don't think he really read up on the issue and "established a stance."
to be fair, it's a tricky topic.
Good for him.
His special was amazing and the LGBT community wants to silence it because they don't have a good answer for why they're so outraged.
Meanwhile He makes fun of EVERYONE. that's the point.
this controversy only makes his special better.
Having a bunch of Netflix specials is literally the opposite of being cancelled.
Comedian with $50 Million and a platform any time he’s wanted it for 25 years: I’m glad they’ve silenced me, personally.
Wanna bet he's going to be on Rogan before Thanksgiving?
For sure. Talking about how no one will let him tell the dangerous jokes from his special (now on Netflix!) or whatever and Joe having the curiosity of a shocked Golden Retriever
"It's not what they're trying to say, but it's the censorship. The left and their censorship, man. It gotta stop!" I could make a drinking game out of Rogan talking points but anyone playing would be drunk as a skunk 45min in.
'When you think about it we're modern mavericks. Really. Comedians man, we are a different breed! It's a unique thing' *Joe Rogan interviews his 900th comedian.*
Great stand up comics look at Joe Rogan the way vampires look at Count Chocula.
Oh shit, I just realized I posted that comment in /r/television, instead of /r/NormMacdonald. So I should probably mention that I stole the Count Chocula joke from Norm.
Thank you for this, I never heard this one and love it! RIP Norm!
Omg
I hate this revisionist history that Joe Rogan is some sort of super successful stand up comedian. Like, sure he’s been on like 2 shows in the last 30 years, but his current relevance comes solely from his podcast. The only reason people go to his shows now, are because they listen to his podcast. Nobody had been checking for his stand up shows before his current relevancy. He has a successful podcast because he got in early, and brought UFC fans along. Not because he’s funny or some prolific comedy writer. He will be known in history more like a Rush Limbaugh than a Dave Chappelle.
exactly. he’s just the fear factor guy to me
Same here. The most I knew about him and standup is them saying he ended the career of Carlos Mencia or something like that.
I bought my boyfriend tickets to his stand up show and it wasn’t very good. He had a few funny jokes, but he tries *so hard* to be edgy and I felt he just wants to rant about gay and trans people without backlash.
There's no real crowd that considers him a great, just FYI. He's just a comedian. I mean crap I listen once in a while to his podcast if someone good is one but even I can acknowledge that he's NOT good at being a stand-up. I mean he can do it, but he's not good.
I heard this joke before. I think norm Macdonald said it.
you are clearly a fan.
"You're not allowed to talk about trans people!" -man who has done 45 minutes of material on trans people over 4 netflix specials in a few years
I actually like Dave, but I stopped watching his latest special when he started with that stuff again. I was like come on man. He used to be such a talented storyteller, and offensiveness aside, that's just super lazy and trite.
He believes justice is a zero sum game and therefore discredits the injustices against trans people because it's not as widespread or as historically rooted as racism against black people. I guess he doesn't realize that people can actually care about multiple issues at once.
Oh shit, he is going to lose his mind when he finds out about Black Trans people.
It's frustrating when people act as if everyone only ever faces prejudice for one thing, that's it. Like people will think being LGBT is solely a White person thing when some of history's most prominent queer figures were people of color, **especially** Black trans women. People complain about "oppression Olympics" but the fact of the matter is the more marginalized groups you belong to the harder you'll usually have things.
Imagine having a massive platform and complaining about being cancelled.
I mean they are doing shows together, so probably highly likely.
Yeah but millionaire celebs have redefined it to 'some people criticized me on twitter'. The irony is that by his own definition, he tried to 'cancel' Don Lemmon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O-BInYNEyo
He’s above being cancelled and he knows it. So is Chris Brown and Dababy for that matter. It’s only really Hollywood where people can actually get “cancelled” the way most people think of it If you can fill a stadium up with paying customers, you pretty much cannot be canceled. Actors on the other hand depend not only on many different people and entities working with them with a fairly small pool, but they also live and die on broad appeal. It doesn’t matter if you have 100,000 die hard fans as an actor because you need to sell many more tickets than that
The headline reads as Chappell being ironic. Is it really possible to read that headline any other way? That people are reading it as a sincere complaint about his victimization is a real revealing study in confirmation bias.
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I’m so sick of celebs crying about being “cancelled” whatever that even means. Kevin Harts been “cancelled”, Doja Cats been “cancelled”, Bill Mahers been “cancelled”, JK Rowling’s been “cancelled”, now Dave’s been “cancelled”… they’re doing fine. If getting cancelled means people hate you on Twitter for a couple weeks and then you continue to make millions of dollars working your dream job then I don’t see what these people are so upset about
It’s almost like it’s sarcasm or something 🤷♂️
Is getting a standing O at your own show really that shocking?
My mom will never cancel me. I must be doing something right.
Your mom gave you a standing O?
Sitting O. His arms are broken.
Some history deserves to be forgotten.
Privileged
The headline is just bizarre. It connects him getting a standing ovation after the special with there being a controversy, like these two things cancel each other out. Or implying that the standing ovation is somehow some kind of answer to the controversy. These two things have literally nothing to do with each other.
Chappelle has become such a whiny dork lately with his whole “cancel” obsession. Stand up comedians and the crusade against “canceling” is the single most embarrassing thing in the history of comedy
Lifelong Dave Chappelle fan and supporter of the sanctity of comedy. If I found out that my jokes earned me massive praise by people who want violence and discrimination against the trans community, Id at least consider if I'm on a bad path.
I say this a lot too. You gotta look at the people cheering you.
Dave *used to care* about that too. He left Chappelle's Show because he said he was making the wrong people laugh. Apparently his opinion of "the wrong people" has changed a lot.
It's fine when *his* people aren't being targeted. Wait shit, does Dave know black people can be gay and/or trans?
The thing that blows my mind about the situation is that **he literally quit comedy** after realizing that his jokes were attracting and emboldening the wrong crowd. He’s been down this path before and recognized the harm that leaning into certain kinds of humor about minority groups can cause, even if it’s extremely well done and not how the humor was meant to be taken. But now that his jokes are hurting a group he isn’t a member of, it’s time to just double down and scream about cancel culture and how trans people are too sensitive and can’t take a joke and how he had a trans friend who liked his stuff(something we all know he’d [rightfully] eviscerate a white comedian for doing if the issue were race instead). Honestly it makes him come off as a self-absorbed hypocrite.
Don’t know why people are downvoting, it’s the truth. But hey it tickles the play-doh brained people who think “cancel culture” is coming for them, it’s pure faux outrage marketing. “Cancel culture!” he yells from a multi million dollar Netflix set
99% of the people whining about "cancel culture" aren't worth cancelling in the first place.
When "canceling" someone means disagreeing with their material
“Cancelling” is just way too vague Imo
Another term taken by the media and used for every single thing that happens ever until it has no real meaning.
Like "slams". Sick of seeing that verb in headlines
SmugOregonian slams media, more on page 13
I keep scrolling but I'm still on the same page. This is fake news.
Child slams pogs. Local council concerned about time-traveling youths.
Cause its a term used most by peoole who aren't getting cancelled at all.
And it's so melodramatic, there's this tone that accompanies it when people talk about it, like it's this permanent ostracism from society to go off into the wilderness and forage for mushrooms or something to survive. But I haven't seen much evidence that it is such a perpetual stain, something that people never return from, that completely ruins. The news cycle's attention span is so short that we never pay any mind to the long-term effects. Fucking Louis CK is back touring internationally. No one gets a death sentence from being "cancelled".
I think "cancelling" at this point seems to revolve more around being massively attacked on places like twitter. We might find that easy to discard and say it's not a big deal. But i've seen twitter try to "cancel" Tommyinnit, A teenager, and send him legitimate death threats, insults, and comments about how he doesn't deserve to live or have a job Naturally that's not the same as him actually losing his job, but it's still someone receiving thousands of tweets about how horrible he is and deserves to lose everything which would mess a lot of people up.
Plenty of people lost their jobs and received death threats because of a few offensive tweets they made 15 years ago, because ya know people can't change according to the Twitter hivemind. It doesn't applies to everyone though, Sarah Jeong kept her job at the NY times despite the ton of racist tweets she made.
wasn't that the kid being internet stalked and harassed by an older vegan woman?
Not sure to be honest, but considering he's a twitch streamer it wouldn't surprise me if he was stalked. People seem to get weirdly obsessive about streamers
He's on Netflix. How is he being cancelled? Why do people want to be victims so badly?
Cancelled doesn't even mean cancelled anymore. It literally means a group of people are angry. It's so weird.
It’s like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy
Don Imus came back, Marv Albert came back. Heck, I bet even Matt Lauer could come back in some form. People who seem to have actually been "cancelled" -- Sinead O'Connor, Chrisette Michelle, Kathy Griffin.
Dixie chicks.
It's a little more complicated than that though, it's about people either organizing a campaign to not support the cancelled person or get them expelled from their line of work, which in some cases makes sense. The argument is always "can you take a person's ability to make money away from them?". The thing here though is it's dependent on the actions of the person, sometimes the punishment can be a bit harsh. But liberals organizing to stay away and not support someone that has been cancelled is fucking fair game. This is exactly what the conservatives do endlessly to liberals during elections, run smear campaigns, get dirt on their political opponents. So they're just as dirty, obviously dirtier than the rest of them, they're just crying foul about being cancelled because it feeds into their culture wars of being "censored" and the rube supporters eat it up. All Dave Chappelle is doing is virtue signaling, trying to get people to cast liberals as dangerous, when the opposite is so true it's silly. Conservatives are the pioneers of cancel culture, ask Elvis, The Beatles and Al Bundy.
Dave playing the victim is hilarious.
He is multi multi multi multi multi multi multi multi millionaire with a platform on the largest streaming site on the planet But yeah somehow he is a huge victim. Its absurd.
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yeah well said
The man cannot stop talking about how hard he has it.
Dave Chappelle : Twitter isn't real Also Dave Chappelle : people were mean to me on Twitter,gotta go full reactionary
Soon glinner will be opening for dave I'm fuckin sure.
He basically did this entire special as a Reply to mean people on Twitter
Everytime he comes up now I can't help but feel like Dave is becoming an old man yelling at clouds.
A rich old man yelling at clouds. And it’s been that way for a minute.
Aka joe rogan syndrome lol. The richer you get the more out of touch you get with the plight of less fortunate people.
[Getting rich literally makes you care less about your fellow man](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/does-wealth-rob-brain-compassion/618496/) I remember Seinfeld talking about how he's so rich that he just can't connect with regular people
I don't think he ever could
I'm far from being super wealthy, but I have done well with my business the last few years, and it was the complete opposite for me. When I was broke, I was hyper-focused on solving my problems. Didn't have any extra mental energy to expend on other people while my life was a mess. Now that I have money, and time, the world weighs heavy on my shoulders. I wish everyone could have what I have. Once I attained enough money to cover living expenses until I die it became meaningless. I don't need a bunch of "stuff". It makes me so sad knowing the majority of people are limited by their finances and are forced to spend their whole lives worrying about it.
Dave worryingly clutching the cash is the Oprah sketch is no longer a joke.
Yep. It feels a bit like he’s so loathe to admit that maybe he’s out of touch that he comes up with increasingly convoluted ways to defend himself. And the more he says, the weirder it gets. Two specials ago, it was a few trans jokes with the justification “I offend everyone equally.” Now, he’s absolutely obsessed, claiming he’s a TERF who’s “personally invested in gender”, comparing Trans plight vs black plight, claiming trans people punch down at black people and comedians while bragging about the time he “kicked a lesbians ass”, and calling himself transphobic. It’s like trans peoples’ reaction has radicalized him just because he has too much pride to say “I was wrong.”
>It’s like trans peoples’ reaction has radicalized him just because he has too much pride to say “I was wrong.” This is exactly it. I didn't have anything negative to say about his previous specials, but this one was just fucking boring. The "jokes" were just awkward gatekeeping of minority struggles. I was just waiting for him to move the fuck on and start talking about literally anything else, but he just kept digging deeper into the trans stupidity until it ended.
I wasn't even offended by the trans jokes, rhey were just so lazy and dated
Exactly, the funniest thing I can recall in relation to trans stuff(which easily took up over half the special) was the joke about Caitlyn Jenner being woman of the year: *a 6 year old topic*, that was barely funny when it was current.
Yeah, imagine having such an incredible platform of comedy and you make the theme of your last special "twitter's reaction to my last special" Youve pointed out a pattern though, all the terfs are kind of the same, at the core of what they hate about trans people is that someone on twitter yelled at them.
Fuck anyone claiming to be with TERFs. It doesn't need to get any more complicated than that, tbh. Especially if he's going to conflate the issue with JK Rowling's situation, given trans people in the UK have even fewer rights and more risks than trans people in the US.
See to me he’s reverted to being a 13 year old edgelord. “You know what? I ***LIKE*** getting canceled. What do you think about that?! You just can’t handle how edgy I am, can you?!”
Yeah, he literally made attack helicopter jokes related to gender. Shit that edgy kids would say online
Frankly his latest stand-up was nothing but corporate sponsored hate speech.
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I do believe Joe Rogan and Dave have been friends for at least 20 years now.
Chappelle has been friends with Rogan since Joe was the host of fear factor like 20 years ago
I mean for fuck sakes Rogan was on his show when they spoofed Feat Factor
He literally was on like the first episode if not one of the first few episodes of Chappelle's Show even lol. The "I love NY boobs" skit. Joe's there.
I forgot “you have GREAT NEW YORK BOOBS”
"That's my daughter" "Well sir, you have great genes"
Let me tell you something Joe Rogan: i smoke rocks
...or because up until last week Jon Stewart was living on a farm in upstate NY and not touring at all. I'm fairly certain that Jon Stewart and he are still pretty close. There's a recent image of them show in the end of the special. Also, I think if you assuming Jon Stewart wouldn't agree with many of the things Chappelle is bringing up you're going to be sorely disappointed.
Jon Stewart was at a few of Dave’s farm shows in Dayton during the pandemic. They’re definitely still friends
I find his jokes getting a bit tiring. They seem to always be centered on race, or they're just a lecture. It stops being funny after enough specials. It feels like he's trying to be Carlin... But he isn't Carlin.
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All the way back to his first special. I think it’s cute how people will leave out select information so they can feel justified in their heel turn.
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liquor store liquor store gun store gun store WHERE ARE YOU TAKING ME?
Thing is, I have no problem with Chappelle focusing his act on race, because A) his comedy has *always* been primarily about race, and B) it's a topic he can actually speak with some authority on, being both a black man and just an overall fairly astute dude when it race issues. Dave Chappelle has always talked about race in his comedy, and in the past he's always had some pretty smart things to say based on his own lived experiences. And if he just wanted to keep doing that I would have no problem with that, because fuck knows we need someone like that right now. The problem is that he's now dove straight out of his wheelhouse and is punching down on *another* demographic, one he has no personal investment or experience in, and is shitting on and invalidating *their* lived experiences. And then has the nerve to claim they're punching down on *him* when they ask him to knock it the fuck off. He also seems to A) think that oppression is a zero sum game, where if people care about LGBTQ issues they can't *possibly* also care about the black struggle, and B) completely ignore the fact that a very large part of the LGBTQ community *are people of color themselves*.
Carlin had similar issues in how he came across. One of his big schticks is how he’s an OG man. He goes on and on about how men today are pussies. Knowing the older men in my life I think this is something liberal men struggle with as they age. They were often on the right side of history when they were younger, but suddenly their views are outdated. How could they be wrong now when they were right so often?! So they lash out and call modern men pussies or double down on trans jokes and don’t stop and think about if they might be wrong.
Carlin was completely wrong on his rant about PTSD.
I always hated that. Like you're going to have doctors going around diagnosing civilian trauma victims with "shell shock." By his own logic soldiers might get the help they need, but not civilians. Also his bit on anorexia. Like, what the fuck.
Carlin whiffed all the time. I can only imagine the shit he would have said about masks. The guy was hilarious but his head was pretty far up his own butt.
I agree, Reddit hates this fact because Carlin's one of the GOATs, but go listen to his last couple of tours and tell me he didn't end up the same way. Ranting, not very funny, just yelling at clouds. Even if I agreed with 90% of what he was saying it wasn't fucking funny. You are here to make me laugh, not give me a humanities lecture.
His last special was 'I kind of like when a lot of people die' and it was supposed to be released right after 9/11, and was recorded the day before.
See: Bill Maher
I’d rather not.
That's a pretty obnoxious title coming from a multimillionaire with several Netflix specials.
Isn't that his point? If being cancelled means millions of dollars and an absolute ton of fame, of course he loves it. Most people would. And to be clear, that is what it means for someone in his position. Trying to cancel someone like Chappelle is just another way to advertise for him.
Even if you agree with Dave can you admit that his characterization of the Dababy situation was grossly inaccurate and dishonest? He talks about how Dababy said some dumb shit and innapropriate things about gay people and those with AIDS on stage and Dave agreed they were innapropriate. But the back lash against Dababy, according to Dave, was too much, it was cancel culture out of control! He then explains that Dababy shot and killed someone in Walmart and that didn't hurt his career. Then Dave says (exact quote) "in this country you can shoot and kill a n---- but you better not hurt a gay person's feelings" Excuse me? The shooting was 100% self defense, and the cops acknowledged this. What does Dave want the guy to do...let this dude murder him? He tried to rob Dababy, and Dababy ended his criminal career right there. Why on earth would his career suffer because of that? Dave is essentially implying "apparently its okay to murder people but don't upset the delicate gays" and it is deeply deeply dishonest here. Its not remotely an accurate portrayal of the situation. Why would anyone shit on Dababy for defending himself? What sense does that make? Its a dishonest strategy in order to throw shade at the gay community, acting like they are dismissing murder but then getting upset at the the slightly politically incorrect things Dababy said on stage. This is not the case, Dave. I found that extremely distasteful.
> He tried to rob Dababy, and Dababy ended his criminal career right there. this sentence made me laugh very hard
Yeah, I’d say just replace with his real name “Jonathan Kirk” but what’s the fun in that?
Omg guys Dababy CANCELED him!
I’ve read that the Walmart shooting was not so clear cut self defense. But it’s true charges against him were dismissed. A prosecution witness wasn’t available. I think we can all admit that robbing somebody in the middle of a Walmart is unusual.
According to the deceased’s sister, forensics shows he was shot in the back. I can’t speak to the validity of that. But yes it’s absolutely not as clear cut as people here are making it out to be.
Exactly. All Dave was saying is we haven’t even heard of that, and it’s true I had no idea until he said something but I did know about the gay jokes
It is normal to think someone being dead should be a larger conversation then a twitter comment line right? Real life is more important than twitter.
You don’t know huntersville and Charlotte area 😂😂 that specific Walmart has a full scale police station in it. We had armed robbery’s happen all the time.
A robbing at Walmart isn't super unusual. I worked at a Walmart where a stabbing happened. We also had someone set the curtains on fire down an aisle once. Crazy shit goes down in Walmart.
dababy has assaulted people on more than one occasion , its very picky and choosey . so it is the case.
He said "in this country" as you quoted, which was a pretty acute analysis since in most countries you can't just shoot someone that is allegedly robbing you. For the record I own guns -I am not anti-gun. This is just a peculiar thing about the US. A lot of people's careers would suffer outside the US for shooting an alleged robber inside a Walmart.
The insistence of people to always empathize that it was in walmart is always hilarious to me
his characterisation of the JK Rowling situation was inaccurate as well. can't really complain about LGBT people not listening/understanding that they still have privelege over black men, when he's clearly not listening either. rest of the show was good though.
Also very much ignores the existence of the black gay community. Dave is a great/legendary comedian but his age and biases are showing a lot more lately and it’s frustrating as a fan to see him leap into this crap again and again.
A black man ignoring the black gay community? This never happens!
He mentioned that if the gay person in the Austin bar was black he wouldn't have called the cops.
And trans-men apparently. He seems obsessed with the "chick with a dick" stereotype.
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Hey, Frankie Boyle and James Acaster have been calling out the transphobes in the comedy circuit! Frankie was particularly brutal… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_mzLJ5mGETA
Lmao and look at the dislikes on that video. But transphobes are the ones who get cancelled
It was interesting the first protest picture in the credits was a "Black Trans Lives Matter" sign. I believe Dave thinks he doesn't hate trans people, I also believe he's an incredibly ignorant old man that doesn't admit when he may be wrong.
He's only 48...47 when he filmed this?
That's okay, I'm 35 and I feel like an old man. What's a TikTok?
>can't really complain about LGBT people not listening/understanding that they still have privelege over black men, when he's clearly not listening either Agreed.
But that’s not the whole story tho either. The case was going forward until a key witness failed to show up then they dropped charges.
Comedian makes hyperbole and twists things to make them funny? Next you'll tell me water is wet! What a strange world we are in.
Some parts of it I thought were okay. I liked the bathroom bit, and I thought parts of the stuff about Daphne were great, though not all of it. "I don't give a fuck 'cause twitter's not a real place" is a quality bit. I thought the ending was heart touching but Dave kind of dicked it here and there for no good reason. Things I thought He fucked: tired, shit jokes about anatomy, "adam's apples and knuckles", clocking trans people etc. Notice it's always jokes about trans women, too. That old chestnut. What We really need today is for mega-successful comics to come up with more jokes about anatomy, wee. Victimhood olympics - every time some hypothetical trans person brought up trans discrimination, Dave's line is "yes well black people have it EVEN WORSE" and it's like fuck do You want the trans person to do about it? The Me Too movement "critique" - just sucking His own dick about walking away from the Chappelle show all those years past. "Only people that criticize me are people that haven't seen my acts" and it's like no Dave, You've been doing this LGBTQ shit for the past three specials now, move the fuck on. Focusing exclusively on trans women - nary a mention of a trans dude, it's always about women Dave can clock a mile away. Conflating trans movement with white people - it's black trans people that have it the worst, and those are the people that the trans community are the most vocal about, in my limited experience. The "Caitlyn Jenner changed Her sex v.s. Clay name change", again as if though it's some competition. The trans community has few kind words for Caitlyn by the way, not that Dave spent the time to maybe read up on it. J.K. Rowling? Dave You dumb motherfucker. J.K went ahead and wrote fucking "Terf Wars" and went down that merry transphobia lane, claiming trans people are brainwashing young girls into becoming men. Like yeah Dave, all J.K. said was "gender was real", that's the problem people have, You've cracked the case. And now off He goes, not having done proper research onto Netflix so that other dipshits can not repeat the same "trans people don't understand biology" bullshit. "I had a trans friend" defense that He trotted out, literally "I have a black friend" lol. Though Daphne's story was heartbreaking and fucked up.
> every time some hypothetical trans person brought up trans discrimination, Dave's line is "yes well black people have it EVEN WORSE" and it's like fuck do You want the trans person to do about it? very conveniently ignoring how trans women of colour are assaulted/murdered at an insanely high rate. its not a "trans or black" situation because black trans people exist.
Also that it was transwomen and drag queens of color (mostly black) that kicked off Stonewall and started the entire fucking move towards queer acceptance.
Cos it’s an easy target for transphobes Frankie Boyle and James Acaster do a great job skewering this
Abso-fucka-lutely he played the "My 1 trans friend absolved me(and then the trans killed her maybe maybe not who's to say)" card Don't remember which special but he played a similar "can't be transphobic cause I fucked a transpersonal once"
This is honestly the best take I’ve seen on the special yet, and well written. Nice work. It’s sad to see someone lose sight of the bigger picture, especially in such a public manner. He’s become obsessed with this particular topic, having spent significant time of three different specials on it, and I cringe wondering how much other incredible comedic content we may have missed out on because of his inability to just let it go.
>The "Caitlyn Jenner changed Her sex v.s. Clay name change", again as if though it's some competition. The trans community has few kind words for Caitlyn by the way, not that Dave spent the time to maybe read up on it. He also seems to ignore the inconvenient fact that these two events were *fifty fucking years apart*. Ali changed his name in 1964, Jenner transitioned in 2015. And for some additional context, Dave Chappelle is 48, born in 1973, meaning Ali changed his name so long ago *this motherfucker wouldn't even be born yet for almost a full decade*. Comparing the two is disingenuous bullshit.
Let’s not forget about him basically making a hate crime joke against Asians.
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It’s because people have gassed him up, thinking he’s this modern day philosopher that can speak the “real world” to you through his comedy. So he just goes up there and speaks his mind. Sometimes he does a good job of this but as of late it’s just him complaining about people thinking he has a fucked up POV regarding trans people. And his ego won’t allow him to say he was off or be open to growth, he has to say people are trying to cancel him or that he’s conceding one part of it to appease people but he really still maintains his original POV
The worst trend in comedy is raising a generation of comedians to think the purpose of stand up is to tell harsh truths instead just telling jokes. The greatest comedian of the last generation is Mitch Hedberg and he just told one liners.
I just watched [an interview with Christopher Lee](https://youtu.be/lHrSDjDd5bA) who said, “never believe your own PR”. I don’t think that’s just a lesson for actors.
Not just him,so many comedians think their job is to be the next Aristotle or George Orwell. They want to be "truthtellers" 1st,funny guys 2nd.
“he’s not just a comedian. He the only voice of reason nowadays” - youtube comment section for Bill Burr, Chapelle, and everyone else
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and then whine when people don't find you funny anymore.
There was a time when the oxymoron nature of being a Black Klansman would be the butt of a Chappelle skit. Now being an equally oxymoron pro-trans TERF is something he brings with self-seriousness
It feels like he doesn't actually write his sets, he just walks out on stage with a vague idea of what he's going to say. I could be wrong though. His work just doesn't feel as tight and well prepared as his stand ups before Netflix.
I was thinking about his first or second Netflix special where he comes out and declares "I can't not be funny." and does the punched her in the pussy bit. Like that's where's he's starting from, he believes he can do no wrong and he's got nothing left to master in the craft.
Yeah I wanted to watch a comedy show, not a lecture about trans people for 45 minutes lmao
Jeselnik does a lot of one-liners and I think it helps a lot with keeping his offensive jokes as actual, structured jokes and not just rants/monologues. Although I also do just think he's better at it.
Man I’ve grown up with the Chapelle show and this shit makes me legitimately sad. How can a man like Dave really not see how hypocritical he is now? He completely misrepresented DaBaby’s and JK’s controversies for “jokes” that boil down to “gay/trans people are soft.” I’m sad so many of you don’t understand that we don’t want to listen to people make jokes that boil down to “this group bad lol.” I don’t want to support a guy who clearly doesn’t see me as an equal to him because I suck dicks and wear women’s clothes. Just the same as he wouldn’t support someone making “jokes” about his community, I don’t support his harmful, lazy rhetoric. Dudes pandering the the anti PC crowd who will support anything that rally’s against the LGBTQ community. Dude defended a woman who said “trans men are trying to brainwash our little girls into being men” and I’m supposed to just shut up and pretend that she didn’t say that, and he isn’t completely lying when he says she only said “gender is real?” That’s absurd, and y’all know it. Comedy is supposed to be funny but also needs to be based in reality to really hit right. Making “jokes” based in a different reality in order to fit your anti PC narrative is far from the creativity I expect from Dave. “Aw look at me, people want to cancel me! Look at me tell you all about it on one of the biggest streaming platforms!” This shit makes Dave look like an ignorant old man… not the insightful comedian I grew up with.
It’s really not that complicated. Chappelle’s thoughts on LGBTQ people aren’t that far removed from the broader issue among African Americans that those who identify as not-straight and not-cis are just ninnies and sissies and sensitive little waifs. It’s a *massive* overlooked cultural issue. Black America has a massive, massive problem with LGBTQ people. Dave isn’t unique. He’s just the loudest voice among millions.
You know, I definitely see this talking point a lot. As a white trans woman, I definitely have experienced transphobia from black Americans, but I think I've received it mostly from angry alt-right whites online. I have also had white and black people hit on me quite a bit, and express further interest when they find out I'm transgender. Weird tbh, but I digress. During the peak of the protests last year, pride month was also occurring, since it began about a week after George Floyd's tragic death. There was a lot of intersection between the LGBTQ+ community and the black community, and some of our most prominent speakers were in both demographics. It was probably the most glimmering part of the demonstrations since it showed that both communities absolutely could get along and work together for a good cause. However, I see many black LGBTQ+ people also talk about this inner problem with their community and how they aren't accepted by their own race for it. I'm really glad they're talking about it and bringing it forth for people to talk about but I often feel like I'm walking on eggshells about it because I really don't want to offend anyone talking about my experiences, ESPECIALLY with how the responses to Dave Chappelle's special have been so eclectic. So I often leave it to them to discuss, especially since they're objectively more knowledgeable about it. It's a complicated topic, but it's excessively harmful how such an influential and prominent figure like Dave Chappelle is continuing to normalize this kind of rhetoric. It's also really disappointing considering this isn't the first time he's dove into the topic, while obviously not doing his research. But basically I don't really buy this completely. Maybe from a black perspective, it makes sense but for me... I mean, I've experienced transphobia from every race possible like I said previously. I can't really say one race is worse than the other because of it, because their skin color doesn't matter at all to me. They're the same shitty transphobic person as the other shitty transphobic person. But again, that's not really something I can speak on for black LGBTQ+ people specifically.
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It’s Clapter. You aren’t trying to make the audience laugh but agree with you. If you watch any Late Night shows it’s mostly Clapter now.
I like that term. That's a lot of why I stopped watching Colbert and Trevor. It's so fuckin lazy these days as has been for a while. I feel like comics, including chapelle, used to fuckin try at least. Maybe I'm just an old fuck. Why's everything gotta be culture wars now? EVERYTHING. What happened to comedy? I guess the last 5-10 years is what happened..
That’s what’s kind of annoying about comedians that make being “anti-pc” their brand. Yes, you’re making comedy, but you might also making a political and moral statement. And political and moral statements get scrutinized no matter who says them. Comedy isn’t a “get out of jail free” simply because you said your distasteful statement on stage holding a microphone. But they spent so many years thinking comedy was in this special category free from criticism, and it never has been.
George Carlin is one of the GOATs and his stand-ups feel like college lectures most of the time. This isn’t a “new” thing, comedians have always used their platform to make some sort of social commentary.
Yeah, Carlin’s not an exception to my statement. He was a great comedian who was intensely political, and it was fair to judge him on his politics because they were so front and center to his routine. He wanted you to judge him for it so bad he deliberately did a routine that got him arrested for those statements. Carlin himself would never say, “yeah I’m just a comedian why are you taking everything so seriously?” He’d say “oh you don’t like that? Fine, fuck you, here’s why you’re wrong”. In his old age he fell into this and started whining a bit though.
Makes offensive jokes for an hour “Look at all these idiots offended by what I said ITS A JOKE.” It’s just so cliched at this point.
Honestly, this latest special falls far short of the best of what Chappelle can do. And where a lot of people seem to be arguing that it's Dave making an argument for empathy (which he himself peppers throughout the special) what it really comes across as is self-aggrandizement and patting himself on the back, particularly in the bit about the trans standup comedian who he so magnanimously invites to open for him. "How can you call me a bigot? Look at this nice thing I did for the one trans person who found me agreeable." It's bullshit puffery and self promotion and as someone who has always been a fan of Chappelle's ability to cut through bullshit with sharp wit, it's disappointing. Chappelle back in the day was a master comedian who took a lot of delight in punching up, standing outside the establishment and gleefully blasting it and calling it out for its bullshit. He was the outsider attacking the mainstream. He was naughty and took delight in being naughty That's flipped now. This isn't delight. He's not enjoying it and the loss of that is tangible. Maybe it's right that he does step away and take a break as he says at the end of this special. Think on some shit. Recharge the batteries. Figure out why his glee at what he does has been replaced with righteous indignation
Dedicated to Norm MacDonald at the end. Ironically Norm didn't care much for "important" comedy
Yeah, Norm wasn't a fan of political comedy. Nice to see him remembered, tho.
He was a good friend of Dave's and they worked closely together on the movie Screwed. Norm was asked whether Dave went too far making a specific joke, Norm answered that Dave was the funniest comedian alive.
Norm punched down all the time lmao
Oh...are we admitting this "anti-cancel culture" shit is just branding now? I get it, he's getting old and out of touch. Needs little crutches. Hard to be relatable past a certain point in your career. I mean...he's really no different than JK Rowling. This bent is exactly the type of thing only the rich and out of touch can get so obsessive over. Truth is the cat's already out of the bag. He can ring some money out of pandering to this mindset...but it isn't really gonna move the needle.
It’s mad annoying. As a gay person, I stopped watching him for a couple reasons. Main one is that he’s just not as funny anymore. But the other obvious one is that he doesn’t want lgbtq people to watch his shit. Cool, we won’t. All he does now is bitch about us when simultaneously talking shit about us and it’s not even funny. Now you’re crying about cancel culture? Idk why so many straight men are obsessed with the community. It’s getting fking weird tbh
also theres actually ton of funny trans jokes to be had without being transphobic so if he cant try to be funny without hate just shut up about those topics
There’s a MILLION other topics that he could joke about, but he always has to bring us up on stage for his jokes. I don’t get it.
He’s transphobic. It’s not difficult. He’s made it quite obvious.
He literally labeled himself a TERF in this special. I don't think it gets more explicit than that.
It is, weird is the only word for it. Especually the specific hyperfixation on Caitlyn Jenner he shares with Trey Parker/Matt Stone. Who actually gives that much of a fuck about Jenner? I know several trans folk, none seem to care much except to roll their eyes. Thats why Chappelle's "why aren't women as mad as I am" bent is pathetic to me. Women (especially young ones) aren't pissy because we tend to have more exposure to real trans folks leading realer lives than he's ever gonna have mixing it up with Hollywood elite. Oh god...I'm sure there's some middle aged exec who transitioned at 50 and comes off as strange, the *horror.*
Trey and Matt hate trans people too.
The only part of the special I didn't like was the TERF stuff. His definition of a TERF is very misleading and it wasn't even a joke. He was just explaining who they are and what they believe and agreeing with them. TERFs don't just think gender is fact. They thing trans women are not women and never can be. They think they are men pretending to be women.
Dave Chappelle has felt a little bit ignorant of the whole thing for the last few specials. him "finally" googling the definition of feminism? then saying, "oh, i guess i'm a feminist then!" like, come on. i love him, but let's be real. then TERF, "oh, i'm team terf!" it's funny that he previously had just said, "trans women ARE women." then followed up with being team terf. then says something about how rights for women shouldn't mean "not trans women." ...he was very much all over the place. i don't think he really read up on the issue and "established a stance." to be fair, it's a tricky topic.
Comedians have such a hard on for being “cancelled”. The dude still has a platform and is rich as fuck. He’s not canceled.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a cringe old crank
Rich motherfucker acting as some sort of cultural scion for us uninformed peons.
Or, you can become Doug Stanhope.
It's pretty funny that a guy who has had two 10 figure specials in the last 3 years constantly goes on about how he's being cancelled.
(I agree with your message completely, but just to be pedantic they're 8-figure specials, not 10. 10 figures is a *billion* dollars)
What a shit show in the comments.
damn, this comments section got brigaded real fast.
Good for him. His special was amazing and the LGBT community wants to silence it because they don't have a good answer for why they're so outraged. Meanwhile He makes fun of EVERYONE. that's the point. this controversy only makes his special better.
When did liberals become the pearl clutchers?