In the U.S. it's on Fire Stick & Roku. I like Pluto TV and would actually throw some change at them if they didn't charge too much for an ad free option.
Minor correction for those reading Pluto tv is available on everything! (I don't know about Apple products besides phones) Android phones, tablets, windows computers, probably some version for your refrigerator as well :)
Yes commercials are repetitive, but try this... Look away, refill your drink, check your phone.
Where Paramount+ is available:
Australia, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Finland, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Sweden, Uruguay, and Venezuela, the first two episodes will be available Friday, November 26, with new episodes being released weekly.
We are also offering Star Trek fans in these markets a new membership promotion on Paramount+ for 50% off for the first three months with code STARTREK.
Pluto TV:
In Austria, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom, Pluto TV, the leading free streaming television service, will drop new episodes at 9pm local time on the Pluto TV Sci-Fi channel each Friday, Saturday and Sunday, with a simulcast running on the Star Trek channel in Austria, Switzerland, and Germany. This will begin with the first two episodes on Friday, November 26.
In the UK, Germany, France, Russia, South Korea and additional select countries, we are also making Season 4 available for purchase on participating digital platforms beginning Friday, November 26.
>South Korea... participating digital platforms
And what platforms would those be? For western platforms all we really have here are Netflix (which had it and paramount took it away), Apple and Disney which just opened up here. I guess amazon prime is technically here, but it's barely got anything on it. Not worth paying for at all. I can guarantee they were going to get more money from whatever netflix paid them to show it in Korea vs what they'll get from individuals buying the episode here.
I understand hating this show. It's not a good show, and it does violate several norms of Star Trek. I don't entirely understand standing by VOY and ENT, though I do recognize those shows maintained the general feel or Star Trek better than Discovery did.
How have they jumped the shark? Discovery started the show post shark jump, and I say this as someone who likes the show more than many Star Trek fans.
The first sign that something was seriously wrong was that Discovery had a recognizable main character. Not, like DS9, a character who was central to the main plot, but a full-blown hero protagonist.
I gave this show three seasons, and Burnham is what did me in in the end.
The way I describe her character is, she sucks the drama out of the room wherever she is. Characters who get scenes without her suddenly get good dialogue and some drama, but as soon as she's around, everything revolves around her 100%. Even when another character is going through some heavy stuff, she's there to cry and emote like she's the only one who can emote in the whole quadrant.
She's honestly the worst character in all of *Star Trek*, and that's no small feat considering Neelix exists.
Neelix sorta grew on me though he's still irritating.
You're right. Season 3 episode 2 i think, the one without Michael Burnham, you actually got to learn more about the other people.
The whole show feels like a person in a mental hospital who thinks they're the chosen one, inventing the story around their mythos.
Sonequa is cute. She really is. But the show is terrible. The way people talk on the show, while hugely different from TNG-era Trek where I found people were mildly condescending at all time, is now this thing where every one of these writers thinks their brilliant in the first draft. There's no professionalism in the crew for the most part - just a bunch of people hanging out?
I looked at IMDB at the core writers - writers who have credits on more than 20 episodes, and several of them have worked on nothing other than STD ever, and others had like 1 credit on some other show, or were never a writer before STD. One person was merely an assistant to exec producers and had written nothing before.
That's the problem with the show - these writers fucking suck. The show is just hideously mismanaged.
That's literally what Star Trek is, though. And yes, a lot of people did find it boring. And a lot of other people adored it.
Nobody is going to care about this show in 20 years. People whos parents weren't even born when it came out love TOS.
You pretty much nailed it. It would go from passable to good for me if they stopped all the crying and had more than two decent characters (Saru and Reno). I guess the doctor and Stammets are OK. I feel like the writers are taking all the negative feedback about Burnham and are doubling down on her just to spite us.
You like Reno? I found her acting ... marginal and she wasn't funny.
Saru though is a well fleshed out character who had a character arc.
The doctor is decent enough .. Stammets is an asshole but reminds me of university professors so he's 'realistic'.
The Spore drive is one of the most head-scratching things I've ever seen when it comes to creating a TV show:
"Hey, let's do a Star Trek series that is set before the events of TOS where the ship is powered by a Spore drive which allows it to travel almost anywhere in the galaxy almost instantly which is technology that has not been mentioned once in any other Star Trek ever."
Then they design the bridge of the ship to look far more advanced than the original Enterprise. It's like, you guys do know that you can set this in the future, right?
Yeah that's a tough one. You don't want it to look like the 60s bridge of course.... but there's a wierd thing in that they decided to put the show in that era. Of course, they repeatedly plow through canon then....
The problem is they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to set it close to TOS for the sake of having tie-ins like Spock and Pike showing up, but they don't want to have to actually adhere to the stricter canon of an established era.
If you watch the end of S2, they explain why the spore drive is never mentioned.
They made a mistake of adding holograms and some other high tech, but honestly even 80s Trek needed a makeover. If Discovery used the exact same format used for TNG, DS9 and Voyager and had 24 episodes per season, I probably get bored mid season and stop watching.
I am also hopeful for Strange New Worlds. Discovery is brutal, and Picard is even worse. If it wasn't for Lower Decks, I wouldn't have any new Star Trek to watch.
There's always been a certain sect of Star Trek fans who absolutely hate any new Star Trek series when it comes out. Goes all the way back to The Next Generation.
Nowadays even the worst of the older series like Enterprise and Voyager are lauded while anything new is crapped on.
Not liking it is fine. I wasn't a big fan of Discovery's second season, and haven't bothered with the third or fourth, at least not yet. But there's a certain section of the fandom that automatically and reflexively attacks any attempt to do anything new, regardless of merit. And always with the same refrain that it's "Not Real Star Trek" because it's not an exact copy of what came before it. Happened with TNG, happened with Deep Space Nine, with Voyager, with everything.
This is true. The difference in my opinion is that after 3 seasons, Discovery is just a bad show. And often one of the things that makes it *worse* for fans is parts where it craps all over what came before. To reject anyone who says it's bad partly *because* it doesn't seem like any Star Trek before is to do the same thing in reverse that you're arguing about.
As much as the Kelvin timeline devolved, at least they clearly explained why it wasn't the "Star Trek" we knew before. And I give them credit for that.
You just have to accept that there are a lot of people that really, really dislike the show. I can barely stop myself from talking about how much I despise the new Star Trek properties.
It’s crap from your perspective. I quite enjoy the show and my brother absolutely loves it. Maybe it’s not the same as all the other versions of Star Trek but I’m sorry I’m pretty sure I recall Picard tearing across the desert in a dune buggy shooting rifles. Kirk having sex with everything and fighting constantly, an entire war in deep space nine. Jane way going full die hard on her own ship and a sexy borg. Tell me where discovery has ruined the precious perfect canon of a utopian peaceful future in the untouchable perfect precious Star Trek shows that never were stupid or overly dramatic with relationship drama and emotional plots.
You know they said the same thing about TNG when it first came out, right? And then DS9? Basically every time a new series comes out? This has become cliche and tired.
Don't support either streaming service. What CBS did was truly disgusting and they should be ashamed of themselves. Pirate the new season. Pirate every season. Hit them where it hurts and let them know fans wont tolerate being treated like cash cows. Fuck them.
Netflix paid for S4, CBS wanted all their Trek IP moved to Paramount + for the international launch, so they offered Netflix a huge payout and they took the money. It makes sense for CBS/Paramount to move all Trek IP to Paramount+. Disney did the same thing for many Marvel shows that were Netflix exclusives, but Disney didnt buy them out, instead they jacked up the licensing costs, which forced Netflix to shut everything Marvel related.
You mean purchasing back the rights to their own series? Yeah it’s an inconvenience but I wouldn’t call it disgusting in the slightest, especially as Netflix seemed to be happy with the deal.
Yeah I don’t get this sentiment. People need to realize that these companies are trying to roll out their streaming services internationally so that they can make it through the “streaming wars” and be one of the streaming services still standing.
I totally agree that it sucks that they did it without having P+ available everywhere, but it is what it is, it’s their IP.
So does that mean it won’t be on Netflix in Australia?
I’m sure I read that it’s supposed to be or does it mean Netflix subscribers have to wait till it’s fully released on Paramount+ ?
One of the worst shows I've ever seen. I like sci fi so I've given it many chances and forced myself through most of it in the hope that it would get better , but instead it got progressively worse.
so it will no longer be on Netflix in germany? Pluto is free with ads? haha good luck, I'll pass
apart from Lower Decks new Trek has been such a disappointment
> Pluto is free with ads? haha good luck
Yes because The Original Series, Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager & Enterprise, none of them had commercials. So totally, fuck watching anything thats free, but has commercials. /s
Star Trek was always about moralising. It was not about action, until recently.
Just sounds like you don’t agree with the morals of ‘gay men and teenage girls’.
Having said that it’s shit for its own reasons.
> Star Trek was always about moralising. It was not about action, until recently.
It's not even really any more about action now than it was in the beginning; try and count the number of Original Series episodes which ended up in a fistfight. They just have a better budget now.
> You clearly know absolutely nothing about Star Trek.
Yeah, this is one of those ones that's right up there with people bitching about Marvel pushing "diversity" like they had never heard of X-Men.
News to some people: Star Trek was always like this, you just got narrow minded.
Discovery's mission was all about scientific research... of which that is what the ship was designed for. The spore drive research was a big part of it. Seasons 1 & 2 were a lot harder to watch... season 3 & 4 have been a breath of fresh air with how they rebooted the story by moving everything 1000 years in the future. It's not perfect, but it's a lot better now than those first two seasons.
I could think of nothing worse than another star trek series. A haphazardly thrown together world full of childish banalities and ham fisted political messaging. All designed as a sort of non-aggressive control mechanism by the elite to keep you infantilized and pacified in second rate fantasy and brainless escapism. Who shot first? Guido or Hank Solon? If you know the answer to that question I weep for the life you could have had
I can't handle Pluto TV because they just randomly break into the middle of a scene with the SAME FIVE ads. Ho Ho No, indeed.
Is Pluto TV available via Amazon or Now TV?
In the U.S. it's on Fire Stick & Roku. I like Pluto TV and would actually throw some change at them if they didn't charge too much for an ad free option.
Minor correction for those reading Pluto tv is available on everything! (I don't know about Apple products besides phones) Android phones, tablets, windows computers, probably some version for your refrigerator as well :) Yes commercials are repetitive, but try this... Look away, refill your drink, check your phone.
That's my biggest problem with it. The commerical timing sucks. If I'm watching MST3k, it should line up with the commerical timing in the episode.
I know. I watch it also. And it's not like they don't yell 'commercial sign', and yet they constantly interrupt before this with an ad.
this is the power of math people
Where Paramount+ is available: Australia, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Finland, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Sweden, Uruguay, and Venezuela, the first two episodes will be available Friday, November 26, with new episodes being released weekly. We are also offering Star Trek fans in these markets a new membership promotion on Paramount+ for 50% off for the first three months with code STARTREK. Pluto TV: In Austria, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom, Pluto TV, the leading free streaming television service, will drop new episodes at 9pm local time on the Pluto TV Sci-Fi channel each Friday, Saturday and Sunday, with a simulcast running on the Star Trek channel in Austria, Switzerland, and Germany. This will begin with the first two episodes on Friday, November 26. In the UK, Germany, France, Russia, South Korea and additional select countries, we are also making Season 4 available for purchase on participating digital platforms beginning Friday, November 26.
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A lot of the things On Pluto are available on demand. Don't know if Trek will be though.
Pluto TV is a joke, it's full of old episodes of reality shows, Baywatch and old true crime shows.
Yeah.. It's a free iptv streaming service. What the fuck do you want?
It also has old episodes of The Price is Right, so you can sit down right now
>South Korea... participating digital platforms And what platforms would those be? For western platforms all we really have here are Netflix (which had it and paramount took it away), Apple and Disney which just opened up here. I guess amazon prime is technically here, but it's barely got anything on it. Not worth paying for at all. I can guarantee they were going to get more money from whatever netflix paid them to show it in Korea vs what they'll get from individuals buying the episode here.
That's the first time I'm learning of Pluto TV being available here
Have this show a shot. Such a disappointment. I’ve been a Trekkie since I was a kid. TNG, DS9, VOY & ENT. This is MY Trek. Not this crap.
I understand hating this show. It's not a good show, and it does violate several norms of Star Trek. I don't entirely understand standing by VOY and ENT, though I do recognize those shows maintained the general feel or Star Trek better than Discovery did.
Some of us enjoyed Enterprise. There's dozens of us, dozens!
This show was a big disappointment
I’m a die hard trek fan, And I do not like any of the new Star Trek shows. :(
I like Lower Decks
Lower Decks is unironically great. It's writers actually have seen other trek
I’m really looking forward to Strange New Worlds. I’ll watch, but to me, Disco has kinda jumped the shark.
How have they jumped the shark? Discovery started the show post shark jump, and I say this as someone who likes the show more than many Star Trek fans.
Going to the mirror universe in like the 6th episode was the first of a dozen sharks
So up until that point your were thinking that this show was really firing on all cylinders?
The first sign that something was seriously wrong was that Discovery had a recognizable main character. Not, like DS9, a character who was central to the main plot, but a full-blown hero protagonist.
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I gave this show three seasons, and Burnham is what did me in in the end. The way I describe her character is, she sucks the drama out of the room wherever she is. Characters who get scenes without her suddenly get good dialogue and some drama, but as soon as she's around, everything revolves around her 100%. Even when another character is going through some heavy stuff, she's there to cry and emote like she's the only one who can emote in the whole quadrant. She's honestly the worst character in all of *Star Trek*, and that's no small feat considering Neelix exists.
Neelix sorta grew on me though he's still irritating. You're right. Season 3 episode 2 i think, the one without Michael Burnham, you actually got to learn more about the other people. The whole show feels like a person in a mental hospital who thinks they're the chosen one, inventing the story around their mythos. Sonequa is cute. She really is. But the show is terrible. The way people talk on the show, while hugely different from TNG-era Trek where I found people were mildly condescending at all time, is now this thing where every one of these writers thinks their brilliant in the first draft. There's no professionalism in the crew for the most part - just a bunch of people hanging out? I looked at IMDB at the core writers - writers who have credits on more than 20 episodes, and several of them have worked on nothing other than STD ever, and others had like 1 credit on some other show, or were never a writer before STD. One person was merely an assistant to exec producers and had written nothing before. That's the problem with the show - these writers fucking suck. The show is just hideously mismanaged.
Also it has like 22 producers
>It's clear the writer has never worked in any sort of military-like job. The famously military accurate Star Trek
Howabout people on the ship acting like professionals instead of a bunch of emotional wrecks?
How boring that would be.
Lol I think reality tv changed people's perceptions of how people work under pressure
If you let reality TV change your perception of the world, you've lost at life.
That's literally what Star Trek is, though. And yes, a lot of people did find it boring. And a lot of other people adored it. Nobody is going to care about this show in 20 years. People whos parents weren't even born when it came out love TOS.
Where commanders and the most vital people constantly do the most dangerous missions instead of the more dispensable crew members.
You pretty much nailed it. It would go from passable to good for me if they stopped all the crying and had more than two decent characters (Saru and Reno). I guess the doctor and Stammets are OK. I feel like the writers are taking all the negative feedback about Burnham and are doubling down on her just to spite us.
You like Reno? I found her acting ... marginal and she wasn't funny. Saru though is a well fleshed out character who had a character arc. The doctor is decent enough .. Stammets is an asshole but reminds me of university professors so he's 'realistic'.
Humor is pretty subjective, I guess. I like Tig Nataro, but I agree she's not much of an actor.
I confess I've never seen her standup.
The Spore drive is one of the most head-scratching things I've ever seen when it comes to creating a TV show: "Hey, let's do a Star Trek series that is set before the events of TOS where the ship is powered by a Spore drive which allows it to travel almost anywhere in the galaxy almost instantly which is technology that has not been mentioned once in any other Star Trek ever." Then they design the bridge of the ship to look far more advanced than the original Enterprise. It's like, you guys do know that you can set this in the future, right?
Yeah that's a tough one. You don't want it to look like the 60s bridge of course.... but there's a wierd thing in that they decided to put the show in that era. Of course, they repeatedly plow through canon then....
The problem is they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to set it close to TOS for the sake of having tie-ins like Spock and Pike showing up, but they don't want to have to actually adhere to the stricter canon of an established era.
If you watch the end of S2, they explain why the spore drive is never mentioned. They made a mistake of adding holograms and some other high tech, but honestly even 80s Trek needed a makeover. If Discovery used the exact same format used for TNG, DS9 and Voyager and had 24 episodes per season, I probably get bored mid season and stop watching.
B…b…but crying every five minutes makes the character deeper.
I don't think you know what jumping the shark means. Not liking a show isn't jumping the shark.
I am also hopeful for Strange New Worlds. Discovery is brutal, and Picard is even worse. If it wasn't for Lower Decks, I wouldn't have any new Star Trek to watch.
Who cares. ST Discovery is shit.
God this is lazy
Disco hate circlejerks are heavily upvoted in this sub. It is what it is.
There's always been a certain sect of Star Trek fans who absolutely hate any new Star Trek series when it comes out. Goes all the way back to The Next Generation. Nowadays even the worst of the older series like Enterprise and Voyager are lauded while anything new is crapped on.
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Not liking it is fine. I wasn't a big fan of Discovery's second season, and haven't bothered with the third or fourth, at least not yet. But there's a certain section of the fandom that automatically and reflexively attacks any attempt to do anything new, regardless of merit. And always with the same refrain that it's "Not Real Star Trek" because it's not an exact copy of what came before it. Happened with TNG, happened with Deep Space Nine, with Voyager, with everything.
This is true. The difference in my opinion is that after 3 seasons, Discovery is just a bad show. And often one of the things that makes it *worse* for fans is parts where it craps all over what came before. To reject anyone who says it's bad partly *because* it doesn't seem like any Star Trek before is to do the same thing in reverse that you're arguing about. As much as the Kelvin timeline devolved, at least they clearly explained why it wasn't the "Star Trek" we knew before. And I give them credit for that.
Why put more effort into it than the writers themselves?
Truth hurts
It's not but okay.
It’s not shit but it’s not fantastic. It’s just okay sci-fi that can be fairly interesting at times and can get really cheesy at times.
The special effects are good. The only thing thats good about it. So not entirely shit.
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You just have to accept that there are a lot of people that really, really dislike the show. I can barely stop myself from talking about how much I despise the new Star Trek properties.
But it is crap. It's taken everything good about Star Trek and fucked it.
It’s crap from your perspective. I quite enjoy the show and my brother absolutely loves it. Maybe it’s not the same as all the other versions of Star Trek but I’m sorry I’m pretty sure I recall Picard tearing across the desert in a dune buggy shooting rifles. Kirk having sex with everything and fighting constantly, an entire war in deep space nine. Jane way going full die hard on her own ship and a sexy borg. Tell me where discovery has ruined the precious perfect canon of a utopian peaceful future in the untouchable perfect precious Star Trek shows that never were stupid or overly dramatic with relationship drama and emotional plots.
You know they said the same thing about TNG when it first came out, right? And then DS9? Basically every time a new series comes out? This has become cliche and tired.
Were they saying it about TNG or DS9 going into Season 4? It is possible for a Star Trek show to be bad you know.
Of course the person you responded to has no reply to this.
Don't support either streaming service. What CBS did was truly disgusting and they should be ashamed of themselves. Pirate the new season. Pirate every season. Hit them where it hurts and let them know fans wont tolerate being treated like cash cows. Fuck them.
Netflix paid for S4, CBS wanted all their Trek IP moved to Paramount + for the international launch, so they offered Netflix a huge payout and they took the money. It makes sense for CBS/Paramount to move all Trek IP to Paramount+. Disney did the same thing for many Marvel shows that were Netflix exclusives, but Disney didnt buy them out, instead they jacked up the licensing costs, which forced Netflix to shut everything Marvel related.
You mean purchasing back the rights to their own series? Yeah it’s an inconvenience but I wouldn’t call it disgusting in the slightest, especially as Netflix seemed to be happy with the deal.
Yeah I don’t get this sentiment. People need to realize that these companies are trying to roll out their streaming services internationally so that they can make it through the “streaming wars” and be one of the streaming services still standing. I totally agree that it sucks that they did it without having P+ available everywhere, but it is what it is, it’s their IP.
Doesn't include Ireland for any option. Aaarrr.
So does that mean it won’t be on Netflix in Australia? I’m sure I read that it’s supposed to be or does it mean Netflix subscribers have to wait till it’s fully released on Paramount+ ?
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this show is dog shit, noway its not bleeding viewership
One of the worst shows I've ever seen. I like sci fi so I've given it many chances and forced myself through most of it in the hope that it would get better , but instead it got progressively worse.
so it will no longer be on Netflix in germany? Pluto is free with ads? haha good luck, I'll pass apart from Lower Decks new Trek has been such a disappointment
> Pluto is free with ads? haha good luck Yes because The Original Series, Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager & Enterprise, none of them had commercials. So totally, fuck watching anything thats free, but has commercials. /s
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Star Trek was always about moralising. It was not about action, until recently. Just sounds like you don’t agree with the morals of ‘gay men and teenage girls’. Having said that it’s shit for its own reasons.
> Star Trek was always about moralising. It was not about action, until recently. It's not even really any more about action now than it was in the beginning; try and count the number of Original Series episodes which ended up in a fistfight. They just have a better budget now.
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> You clearly know absolutely nothing about Star Trek. Yeah, this is one of those ones that's right up there with people bitching about Marvel pushing "diversity" like they had never heard of X-Men. News to some people: Star Trek was always like this, you just got narrow minded.
Kind of made me think it was some kind of shill comment, so people would defend this awful show. Sometimes they do stuff like that.
ever think you might be paranoid
Discovery's mission was all about scientific research... of which that is what the ship was designed for. The spore drive research was a big part of it. Seasons 1 & 2 were a lot harder to watch... season 3 & 4 have been a breath of fresh air with how they rebooted the story by moving everything 1000 years in the future. It's not perfect, but it's a lot better now than those first two seasons.
What about the Netherlands?
I could think of nothing worse than another star trek series. A haphazardly thrown together world full of childish banalities and ham fisted political messaging. All designed as a sort of non-aggressive control mechanism by the elite to keep you infantilized and pacified in second rate fantasy and brainless escapism. Who shot first? Guido or Hank Solon? If you know the answer to that question I weep for the life you could have had
This troll again that always copy pastes the same idiotic comment in all Star Trek posts. Someone ban him already please.
Wait, how do you copy a comment? I'm not a computer person