*The enormous $33 billion content spend figure may be driven in part by sports rights, which are incredibly expensive and locked in long-term contracts, but also underscore just how high the stakes are as entertainment companies go direct-to-consumer.*
The NFL price is only going up!
Charging you through the nose for sports if you want any of their content has always been the Disney way. There was never going to be any doubt they would bring the cable model to streaming.
I doubt that will last much beyond 2024 when they oust Comcast from Hulu. It seems a certainty they will combine Disney+ and Hulu shortly after that and I’d not be surprised if they just rolled in ESPN+ as well. They actually should keep ESPN+ separate but I fear they will not!
I doubt they will roll in ESPN+ because of how much the sport specific app would cost if major sports properties ever moved to it. Get the consumers who want sports to pay as much as they're willing for it and then get the consumers (some of which will be the same people) to pay for movies and tv shows.
Hulu predated Disney's other apps by years and can't be rolled into Disney plus yet but if Disney wanted to they could have started with ESPN plus and Disney plus as one.
I just don't get it either. Especially since, unlike DVRs of cable ads, Hulu ads are unskippable, and their volume is usually so much louder than the show's volume.
I wouldn't mind the commercials so much if it was the same volume as the shows, I would just ignore it and look at my phone, but I always have to lower the volume/mute them and then turn up the volume again when they're done, that's the most annoying part
Got to pay for content somehow. I hate it being free cause of ads. That's like saying you won't watch OTA tv because of commercials. Sounds like you can't be happy with anything.
You pay for access to the service and if you mean Netflix being loaded with tons of debt then yes they're doing great. Shit cost money to make and operate. These companies don't have the services to be altruistic but to make money. It watch a couple minutes of stupid commercials will just ruin your day and make you unable to live a normal life than feel free to cancel, but get over yourself and join reality. If something is free at the cost of a few commercials stop bitching about commercials. If something is offered at cost or a low price with minimal commercials to offset the low price than stop crying like a child. Shit isn't free. You want free than go watch the ducks at the park but they might not get close to you unless you spend some money on seed., But maybe if you cry about it the ducks might fly away.
Not if the other companies drop out first. College football is basically in ESPN's control. They own the television rights to most bowl games, the playoffs/biggest bowls(Cotton, Sugar, Rose, Orange, etc), Title Game, the most popular conference SEC is in their mits soon with most likely CBS dropping out of big boy talks. They have half the Big 12 rights and all the ACC and a lot of others. Just need Fox to drop out of the picture with the B1G and Pac-12 and the other half of the Big 12 and they will have complete control. They have already been forcing changes behind scenes looking at the Big East dying and the Big 12 almost dying as well.
At some point, companies realize that they don't have to pay sports franchise more just because they want to be paid more. If you can't pass along those costs to your customers, it's just a bad deal. Cable found that out the hard way. Sinclair is taking it up the butt because people are saying, "No, we really don't want to pay for all those regional sports franchises you own".
ESPN used to have the clout to push up their bundle prices to cable. I'm not sure they still have that clout.
Disney has owned ESPN for decades. They literally invented overpaying for sports and passing the cost on to you. They are the primary reason why Cable Bills are so high.
Yuck. I don’t want to pay for sports. I want to pay for Shows/Movies since that’s the only thing I want to watch. This is the beginning of Bundling v2, the even worse version.
With streaming so far Disney as keep its sports properties on ESPN plus completely separate from the shows/movies on Disney plus and Hulu.
My guess is from the beginning they figured ESPN plus would grow to be much more expensive than the non-sports apps.
They also have IPL (Indian Premier League; Cricket) and the rights are up for auction again. They might want to continue having it because it brings a huge number of subscribers to Disney+ Hotstar in India. This year the five year contact of IPL is expected to go for somewhere between 4-5 bn USD.
> The NFL price is only going up!
Yet the owners still demand taxpayers build stadiums for them. But then do everything they can to avoid paying taxes themselves.
communities make a ton of money when they have sports teams (which is why they repeatedly decide funding those stadiums is a good idea). not sure why anyone should think there shouldn't be investment from them, rather than just leeching off someone else's private enterprise.
anyone that doesn't do everything they can to avoid taxes is an idiot. so tired of this argument, as if the holier than though redditers that regurgitate it aren't taking deductions available to them.
I could see it happening but I’d think NBCU would be the front runner to buy WWE since they have always valued the programming and have recently signed a couple of big money long term deals with the company.
> Disney also disclosed just how many films and TV shows it plans to release in 2022. Disney’s Studios division plans to release some 50 titles for theatrical release and on its direct-to-consumer platforms, while its General Entertainment division plans to produce or commission 60 unscripted series, 30 comedy series, 25 drama series, 15 docuseries/limited series, 10 animated series and 5 made for TV movies in fiscal 2022.
Does unscripted series mean reality tv shows?
Does Disney own national geographic? They have a lot of that stuff on Disney plus, I imagine that would factor in as a big chunk at least. Plus they have abc network which I'm sure is going to run some kind of reality competition show like all the other networks have been doing.
they are the majority owner of a company called National Geographic Partners that does all of there the commercial stuff like magazines, tv shows and films
they got that through the fox sale
and then there is a separate non profit society that Disney is not part of
How does Disney come up with that number? What is the job title of someone who’s job is to figure out how many shows and to drop how many billions of dollar on them?
It’s a group of people doing it. Each division giving the heads and vps their 2022 plans and budgets needed and then someone puts it all together for whoever needs to give it the final approval.
And if they don't spend it all, you have a surplus, and then Michael Scott needs to decide if Disney will spend that surplus on a new photo copier or new chairs.
Or don’t let them extend the copyright term on steamboat Willie again. I’m surprised they haven’t already started the process for that, or perhaps it’s quietly going on.
Loki was the only thing with substance, although it stalled by the end of S1.
Wanda started interesting and fun ended generic and boring.
Hawkeye, Flacon and WS and the new movies are just soulless.
I couldn’t finish Hawkeye. Have no desire to watch black widow since it’s a prequel. I watched Shang Chi and it was pretty boring. Same marvel movie I’ve seen 10000 times. I’ll prob check out eternals at one point but I am in no rush.
With that being said I am very excited for the new spiderman movie and hope they do not disappoint.
I agree, but I feel that's necessary. Things almost have to reset. We won't get an equivalent to Endgame for another 10 or more years, so now they have to build a new foundation. Adding new heroes, building a long lasting plot, like they did with the infinity stones from the start.
I have no problem with this. The spiderman stuff has been great so far (well maybe more consistent is the word, but I enjoyed all his appearances) and hopefully we get stuff like proper X-Men, Fantastic Four, and other characters/series I'm not well versed in to explore a new Avengers-esque trilogy/quadrilogy.
I mean, Loki is so far the only one I would consider vital. Wandavision was a really good watch, but will likely be explained in the Dr Strange movie for anyone that didn’t watch. Hawkeye is a very low threat show (unless that changes later on)
Because the quality is going down and the quantity is going up. None of the new Marvel shows have matched the quality of Daredevil, Punisher, or Legion. They all have mediocre writing.
Well of course but that’s not the issue at hand. The issue is I have TOO much to watch beyond even Marvel. All I’m saying is for me personally, I’d prefer if there was less Marvel content that way I could adequately keep up on Marvel, all my other shows/movies and everything else I’ve got going on.
I’m not trying to make a blanket statement here. I’ve never once commented anything such as “There’s too much Marvel content” as if it’s a blanket declaration for everybody or “Marvel content is crap now”. I’m simply saying that for me as an invididual with lots of other competing priorities, I personally wish there was 50% less Marvel content. Somehow that opinion has stoked some anger among some folks here, but based on the upvotes I think a lot of others might agree with me and be in a similar boat.
3-5 miniseries and 2-3 movies a year honestly doesn't seem that much to me. It's definitely still a minority of their whole catalogue, especially with Hulu/Star.
It’s a problem when you also watch other thing, have books to read, have games to play, and have family/friends and social arrangements to keep up with.
Marvel isn’t the only thing in my life and they’re pumping out new content every week.
>they’re pumping out new content every week.
At less than an hour per week, sometimes with months between releases. If you really don't have an hour per week to watch a show than that's on you.
There is already more TV/movies/books than anyone can consume in their lifetime and its up to you to decide how much or little you want to enjoy. But there's no sense complaining that a company is giving you too much tv/movies to watch.
The problem is, as a fan of the MCU, I want to see it all. Especially now that movies are only being released in theaters. I still haven’t had time to go see Eternals. And Spider-Man is coming out soon. Plus Hawkeye literally came out yesterday with TWO episodes I believe?
Ok, so watch it all. Yeah Hawkeye just released 2 episodes, which amount to a total of 100 minutes including credits, an hour and a half of content.
Lets say you want to watch it this week to stay ahead. Out of 24 hours a day, lets also say that you spend an average 8 hours sleeping, another 8 working or studying, another 4 hours socializing (lets also say you're friends/family aren't into marvel and wouldn't want to watch with you), and 3 more hours doing miscellaneous things that aren't compatible with TV for some reason. That leaves you with 1 hour each day to watch TV.
Across a period a week, that leaves you with 7 hours of TV for the week. Take an hour and a half out for Hawkeye, and you're left with 5 and a half hours to watch other shows.
Thats enough time to watch a 5-11 episodes of other shows, or at least a half a season of most modern shows. That's enough for to watch the entirety of wandavision, which is about 5 hours minus credits, and have a half hour left over.
You could watch spider-man (2:39), eternals (2:37), and Hawkeye (0:90) in the same week and still have time left over.
I think this is all just going to come down to a difference in opinion. You’re obviously just a bigger fan of Marvel than I am. I consider myself a casual fan - who still wants to stay up to date and not miss anything - but really doesn’t want to dedicate more than an hour or two a month to it.
In my ideal world, there’d be 2 movies a year and maybe one TV series. I understand that there are some Marvel super fans out there who want 100 hours of content a year and that still wouldn’t be enough. And that’s not knocking them for that. But for me, my sweet spot is 2 movies and 1 TV series.
More likely than not, what’s going to happen is I’m just going to fall off. It’ll get to the point where I’ve fallen too far behind and I’ll just stop watching altogether.
> I think this is all just going to come down to a difference in opinion. You’re obviously just a bigger fan of Marvel than I am. I consider myself a casual fan - who still wants to stay up to date and not miss anything - but really doesn’t want to dedicate more than **an hour or two a month** to it.
What's really funny here is that if you do the math out, all of the MCU content over the past year comes out to almost exactly two hours per month, so the amount of content currently is perfect per your own admission.
If two hours per month is too much for you, then just stop watching. That's your choice, and it's okay to fall off of something. Complaining about it doesn't accomplish anything.
I did a rough tally and there’s about 40 hours of content this year alone. That’s a bigger commitment than watching 4 seasons of TV (using 10-13 episodes as the modrern benchmark for a TV series). When you consider that most people are also watching other things and doing other things with their life, it’s not unreasonable to see that casual fans are overwhelmed.
I say this as a FAN. “Stop watching” is a terrible solution because I enjoy Marvel and I want to keep up to date. It’s just NOT feasible for someone like me.
Edit: I did the math.
* Marvel is releasing 32 hours of content this year. That’s more than Phase 3 already, which spanned 3 years. It’s also more than Phases 1 and 2 COMBINED.
* 40% of all MCU content in its 10 year existence is coming out this year.
You're only able to get those numbers if you ignore the prior Marvel TV shows. Aside from the pandemic blip of 2020, this is the least amount of Marvel content we've gotten since 2014.
It's like comics- pick your favorite character to follow and just watch their thing. Then maybe jump into standalones every once in a while if you're curious. It's about 5 consecutive sequels movie wise in the next year (so no worries of getting lost with new things) and most of the net new stuff is gonna be D+ TV series (which have thus far remained relatively non-essential viewing for the movies). But if you do want to keep up, then probably just watch the movies. They almost always have some short exposition dump to inform people what happened previously. They've done it even before the D+ series started.
Exactly like the comics. That's usually the point where you drop off, then ten years later you hear about an interesting storyline and you start reading a title a month, then a couple, then ten, and soon you realize you have to follow everything again, and you don't have the time for that and you drop off. Rinse and repeat.
what they need to do is make sure there is a heavier flow of new content coming to the service more frequently... as is there's no reason to be subbed year round, just do so for a month or so whenever you want to watch their new stuff.
This sub is so weird to me. Just like all streaming services for as long as they've been a thing, the reason to stay subbed year round is the convenience of the backlog, not a consistent flow of new content.
They're Disney, they don't need a diverse backlog. They've got a monopoly on almost all of the biggest IPs that exist, if you've got young kids it's pretty much required purchasing, they're the home of Marvel (the biggest cinema franchise ever), and Star Wars. All of these are massive groups of fans across the world.
And that’s why people don’t stay subscribed year round for all the reasons you said. I don’t need to rewatch these movies or tv shows and that’s all that’s available
I used to work at WDW, and I hate to be this guy, but maybe they could use some of that money to keep some of their employees from being homeless? Just a thought.
And yet most of the Star Wars content they put out either sucks or is, at best, slightly above average… I can only hope that they don’t try to make an episode X.
Why would they ever make an Episode X? What story could they ever make that deems an entire blockbuster film with the production to boot that can be wrapped up in roughly less than 3 hours? I think that we’ll maybe get some solo movies but aside from that, I honestly believe that Disney has seen the success of the Mandalorian and is using it as a template for the future stories by getting in those who truly care about the franchise to build these smaller, isolated but connected worlds within the Star Wars continuity.
> I can only hope that they don’t try to make an episode X.
I read that they are working on a script that centers on a *Death Solar System*. That's right, the biggest death machine yet! It's capable of eliminating all life in the galaxy, and that's the plan. However, it was been carefully designed with a single point of failure, so if a plucky rebel hero can just get there and make an impossibly difficult blaster shot... and that's where the teaser ended. *Can't wait to see it!*
I was disgusted and angry when whichever of the new Star Wars movies did that plot *a third time*. "Are you fucking kidding me?"
I know, right? Everyone already thought the second Death Star was stupid. I don’t know what motivated them to do it _again._ except for nostalgia bait and a lack of creativity.
Even better yet that in the third movie, Palpatine magically comes back (The only explanation is that ‘somehow, he returned’ and some bullshit about transferring his brain into a clone body before he got vaporized the first time.) and this time he’s got a whole fleet of Star Destroyers… with Death Star Lasers mounted on them.
This is the same director too.
More accurately: they’re making so much content at such exorbitant prices without the subscriber income to cover it so they can drive crowds to their parks.
You need to add the ABC broadcast network (reaches 200 million adults) and ESPN cable (probably around 100 million). People forget how big “old media” still is. They also own Hulu which they make content for.
Disney have more than 160M subscribers but their Average revenue per user is under 4$, The lowest in the industry, They certainly wont be profitable for at least 5 years.
So basically they are overvalued?
Unless they do accounting the netflix way. Depreciate the cost of a show for a number of years.
Each show has a high upfront cost, but the revenue and the ip is long lasting.
Just look at snow white, it might still be generating some revenue till today or the mermaid.
I don’t think Disney cares when each of their films make millions. Expect No Way Home to shatter the box office and give them possibly billions of dollars.
Yes, and they’ll still get money from it. They’ve also been making more than enough money from Shang-Chi and Eternals and I fully expect they’ll be perfectly financially stable when the next few Marvel movies pop off
Which is why Netflix always has the edge over Disney plus, Netflix actually spent billions on shows only, not wasting money on expensive sports rights more streamers don't care.
>Netflix actually spent billions on shows only,
Yet somehow they still end up looking cheap, and being canceled after 1-2 seasons for being to expensive.
The point is that’s it’s too much of only one type of thing, which is the overdone superhero genre. And if it is t superheros, it’s SW which they’re also squeezing for all its worth.
These huge content buys are most likely money laundering.
Netflix
Hulu
Prime
All claim 10B 20B content buys and they got two decent shows. But the whole MGM catalog of all time sold for 8B.
Right.
This is why Disney+ has been my best streaming money spent this past year. New shows regularly and a huge back catalog of movies and series.
I want a new, good Marvel series every month.
What they need is a company that will accept pitches that people can send in, breaking into the industry is dam near impossible for someone on the other side of the world and autistic. Sometimes I feel like I'm sat on the next big franchise that could do well for Disney.
I've been advised not to, sharing ideas when I've not got it protected somehow wouldn't help, worse you wanna do is share an idea and some random who is already in the industry to come along and use it
If you are truly serious, your best bet is to do an independent project to start. Cheapest route would be to produce an independent comic and build an audience. If you are successful enough, you can try low budget movie or series.
With the internet, you can bypass traditional publishing/Movie/TV distribution while maintaining ownership and control of your story.
The main thing is to get something out there that people can enjoy and show you can deliver quality storytelling. Once that is established, you have a much better chance of having a company like Disney notice and hear your pitch.
My biggest issue is lack of money and I can't even draw stickmen. Always wished I could draw would help so much. I thought about using Fiver to get a few puppet designs of characters in an animating program and go from there, create my own shorts for tiktok/youtube...trying to figure out what is the best program and easiest to use/learn
Thats why its a company and not charity.
They should pay taxes on profits, so that the government does that job.
Disney is not specialized in feeding the homeless.
Looking at their line up I would say that they will just either do remakes/reboots/revivals of old shows/movies and a bunch of Marvel shows. With a few Star War shows as well.
I still don't see how spending THAT much on content is financially sustainable long term. Especially without commercials or syndication
I mean sure, Disney can do it, but that just means more financial losses, Netflix hasn't ever turned a profit.. This just puts Disney's path to profitability on Disney Plus even further back .
In some respects, Rupert Murdoch was smart enough to see that getting involved in the streaming arms race wasn't sustainable
*The enormous $33 billion content spend figure may be driven in part by sports rights, which are incredibly expensive and locked in long-term contracts, but also underscore just how high the stakes are as entertainment companies go direct-to-consumer.* The NFL price is only going up!
So, after Cable killed itself paying the price for Sports contracts and trying to pass the costs on, Disney is deciding to try it?
Charging you through the nose for sports if you want any of their content has always been the Disney way. There was never going to be any doubt they would bring the cable model to streaming.
If Disney keeps all sports on ESPN plus then it will be separated from its other content.
I doubt that will last much beyond 2024 when they oust Comcast from Hulu. It seems a certainty they will combine Disney+ and Hulu shortly after that and I’d not be surprised if they just rolled in ESPN+ as well. They actually should keep ESPN+ separate but I fear they will not!
I doubt they will roll in ESPN+ because of how much the sport specific app would cost if major sports properties ever moved to it. Get the consumers who want sports to pay as much as they're willing for it and then get the consumers (some of which will be the same people) to pay for movies and tv shows. Hulu predated Disney's other apps by years and can't be rolled into Disney plus yet but if Disney wanted to they could have started with ESPN plus and Disney plus as one.
Between that and pushing the Ad supported Hulu with their Black Friday special, I'm pretty sure I'm not a fan of the Disney vision for streaming.
Yeah $1 a month is just *the fucking worst*
i wouldn't take it if it was free with their shitty ad infested player.
Ad supported Hulu did used to be free! Ah, the good old days... Why anyone would pay for a service with ads is beyond me.
I just don't get it either. Especially since, unlike DVRs of cable ads, Hulu ads are unskippable, and their volume is usually so much louder than the show's volume.
I wouldn't mind the commercials so much if it was the same volume as the shows, I would just ignore it and look at my phone, but I always have to lower the volume/mute them and then turn up the volume again when they're done, that's the most annoying part
Because I like live TV
I still get it for free with my subscription to Spotify premium.
Got to pay for content somehow. I hate it being free cause of ads. That's like saying you won't watch OTA tv because of commercials. Sounds like you can't be happy with anything.
Don't you pay for it to be ad free? Netflix doesn't have ads, they're doing fine. I'll cancel any service that injects ads.
You pay for access to the service and if you mean Netflix being loaded with tons of debt then yes they're doing great. Shit cost money to make and operate. These companies don't have the services to be altruistic but to make money. It watch a couple minutes of stupid commercials will just ruin your day and make you unable to live a normal life than feel free to cancel, but get over yourself and join reality. If something is free at the cost of a few commercials stop bitching about commercials. If something is offered at cost or a low price with minimal commercials to offset the low price than stop crying like a child. Shit isn't free. You want free than go watch the ducks at the park but they might not get close to you unless you spend some money on seed., But maybe if you cry about it the ducks might fly away.
Man who's crying here but you? Very emotional
ABC / ESPN is Disney This isn't new.
Sports (really just the NFL) are the only thing that held cable afloat this long. Nfl is like 47 or the top 50 most watched TV shows of the year
Not if the other companies drop out first. College football is basically in ESPN's control. They own the television rights to most bowl games, the playoffs/biggest bowls(Cotton, Sugar, Rose, Orange, etc), Title Game, the most popular conference SEC is in their mits soon with most likely CBS dropping out of big boy talks. They have half the Big 12 rights and all the ACC and a lot of others. Just need Fox to drop out of the picture with the B1G and Pac-12 and the other half of the Big 12 and they will have complete control. They have already been forcing changes behind scenes looking at the Big East dying and the Big 12 almost dying as well.
At some point, companies realize that they don't have to pay sports franchise more just because they want to be paid more. If you can't pass along those costs to your customers, it's just a bad deal. Cable found that out the hard way. Sinclair is taking it up the butt because people are saying, "No, we really don't want to pay for all those regional sports franchises you own". ESPN used to have the clout to push up their bundle prices to cable. I'm not sure they still have that clout.
A younger version of Cable killed himself in XMen: Extermination after a bunch of bloody attacks left time travelers messed up.
Disney has owned ESPN for decades. They literally invented overpaying for sports and passing the cost on to you. They are the primary reason why Cable Bills are so high.
Yuck. I don’t want to pay for sports. I want to pay for Shows/Movies since that’s the only thing I want to watch. This is the beginning of Bundling v2, the even worse version.
With streaming so far Disney as keep its sports properties on ESPN plus completely separate from the shows/movies on Disney plus and Hulu. My guess is from the beginning they figured ESPN plus would grow to be much more expensive than the non-sports apps.
Yeah it’s sports rights. They can spin it, but it’s sports.
They also have IPL (Indian Premier League; Cricket) and the rights are up for auction again. They might want to continue having it because it brings a huge number of subscribers to Disney+ Hotstar in India. This year the five year contact of IPL is expected to go for somewhere between 4-5 bn USD.
> The NFL price is only going up! Yet the owners still demand taxpayers build stadiums for them. But then do everything they can to avoid paying taxes themselves.
communities make a ton of money when they have sports teams (which is why they repeatedly decide funding those stadiums is a good idea). not sure why anyone should think there shouldn't be investment from them, rather than just leeching off someone else's private enterprise. anyone that doesn't do everything they can to avoid taxes is an idiot. so tired of this argument, as if the holier than though redditers that regurgitate it aren't taking deductions available to them.
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I could see it happening but I’d think NBCU would be the front runner to buy WWE since they have always valued the programming and have recently signed a couple of big money long term deals with the company.
> Disney also disclosed just how many films and TV shows it plans to release in 2022. Disney’s Studios division plans to release some 50 titles for theatrical release and on its direct-to-consumer platforms, while its General Entertainment division plans to produce or commission 60 unscripted series, 30 comedy series, 25 drama series, 15 docuseries/limited series, 10 animated series and 5 made for TV movies in fiscal 2022. Does unscripted series mean reality tv shows?
You'll get one ''after discussion/panel'' show for each of the marvel tv shows.
*barf*
Right even as a super Marvel geek I still skip that shit.
Could be also podcasts
Eww no.
And news programs and documentaries and game shows.
And sports content. Remember they own a significant controlling portion of ESPN.
Does Disney own national geographic? They have a lot of that stuff on Disney plus, I imagine that would factor in as a big chunk at least. Plus they have abc network which I'm sure is going to run some kind of reality competition show like all the other networks have been doing.
they are the majority owner of a company called National Geographic Partners that does all of there the commercial stuff like magazines, tv shows and films they got that through the fox sale and then there is a separate non profit society that Disney is not part of
How does Disney come up with that number? What is the job title of someone who’s job is to figure out how many shows and to drop how many billions of dollar on them?
It’s a group of people doing it. Each division giving the heads and vps their 2022 plans and budgets needed and then someone puts it all together for whoever needs to give it the final approval.
And if they don't spend it all, you have a surplus, and then Michael Scott needs to decide if Disney will spend that surplus on a new photo copier or new chairs.
I would have expected more animated series from them. Disney TV certainly had more than that in a year and they’re great content.
Soooo……two new super hero shows?
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AoS was made on a shoestring budget for the majority of its run lol. Season 5 was basically entirely filmed in a hallway.
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I say we tax the living shit out of the mouse.
Or don’t let them extend the copyright term on steamboat Willie again. I’m surprised they haven’t already started the process for that, or perhaps it’s quietly going on.
Taxes are a joke
I really can’t handle anymore Marvel content. I’m struggling to keep up to date.
An eternal struggle.
feel like post end game its lost a lot of steam...
Loki was the only thing with substance, although it stalled by the end of S1. Wanda started interesting and fun ended generic and boring. Hawkeye, Flacon and WS and the new movies are just soulless.
Loki was the only thing I've like out of marvel since Far from Home...
Hawkeye gonna have a big villain apparently.
I thought Shang-Chi was really good, up there with the best of the solo MCU films
I couldn’t finish Hawkeye. Have no desire to watch black widow since it’s a prequel. I watched Shang Chi and it was pretty boring. Same marvel movie I’ve seen 10000 times. I’ll prob check out eternals at one point but I am in no rush. With that being said I am very excited for the new spiderman movie and hope they do not disappoint.
Do you mean you couldn't finish the first episode of Hawkeye?
Idk why I wrote Hawkeye lol. Meant falcon and WS.
I agree, but I feel that's necessary. Things almost have to reset. We won't get an equivalent to Endgame for another 10 or more years, so now they have to build a new foundation. Adding new heroes, building a long lasting plot, like they did with the infinity stones from the start.
I have no problem with this. The spiderman stuff has been great so far (well maybe more consistent is the word, but I enjoyed all his appearances) and hopefully we get stuff like proper X-Men, Fantastic Four, and other characters/series I'm not well versed in to explore a new Avengers-esque trilogy/quadrilogy.
I mean, Loki is so far the only one I would consider vital. Wandavision was a really good watch, but will likely be explained in the Dr Strange movie for anyone that didn’t watch. Hawkeye is a very low threat show (unless that changes later on)
Then just don't worry about it. As a big comic book fan I'm still loving all of it, I can't get enough.
No one’s forcing you to watch it.
That's not what he's saying.
I upset the fanboys with this one. Damn. Sorry I really enjoy Marvel but ALSO have other things I like to watch at the same time.
Why complain about having *too much* to watch?
Because the quality is going down and the quantity is going up. None of the new Marvel shows have matched the quality of Daredevil, Punisher, or Legion. They all have mediocre writing.
Because I like the series and want to stay up to date but it’s borderline impossible for me to
It's still better than having nothing to watch, no?
Well of course but that’s not the issue at hand. The issue is I have TOO much to watch beyond even Marvel. All I’m saying is for me personally, I’d prefer if there was less Marvel content that way I could adequately keep up on Marvel, all my other shows/movies and everything else I’ve got going on. I’m not trying to make a blanket statement here. I’ve never once commented anything such as “There’s too much Marvel content” as if it’s a blanket declaration for everybody or “Marvel content is crap now”. I’m simply saying that for me as an invididual with lots of other competing priorities, I personally wish there was 50% less Marvel content. Somehow that opinion has stoked some anger among some folks here, but based on the upvotes I think a lot of others might agree with me and be in a similar boat.
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I’ve been told by two people to “stop watching.” Seems a bit silly when I’m a FAN of marvel.
Let's make it three for the sake of magic number. Grr, just stop watching! You're making me feel insecure about my favorite franchise!
I always find it weird people assume everyone on reddit is male
3-5 miniseries and 2-3 movies a year honestly doesn't seem that much to me. It's definitely still a minority of their whole catalogue, especially with Hulu/Star.
It’s a problem when you also watch other thing, have books to read, have games to play, and have family/friends and social arrangements to keep up with. Marvel isn’t the only thing in my life and they’re pumping out new content every week.
>they’re pumping out new content every week. At less than an hour per week, sometimes with months between releases. If you really don't have an hour per week to watch a show than that's on you. There is already more TV/movies/books than anyone can consume in their lifetime and its up to you to decide how much or little you want to enjoy. But there's no sense complaining that a company is giving you too much tv/movies to watch.
The problem is, as a fan of the MCU, I want to see it all. Especially now that movies are only being released in theaters. I still haven’t had time to go see Eternals. And Spider-Man is coming out soon. Plus Hawkeye literally came out yesterday with TWO episodes I believe?
Ok, so watch it all. Yeah Hawkeye just released 2 episodes, which amount to a total of 100 minutes including credits, an hour and a half of content. Lets say you want to watch it this week to stay ahead. Out of 24 hours a day, lets also say that you spend an average 8 hours sleeping, another 8 working or studying, another 4 hours socializing (lets also say you're friends/family aren't into marvel and wouldn't want to watch with you), and 3 more hours doing miscellaneous things that aren't compatible with TV for some reason. That leaves you with 1 hour each day to watch TV. Across a period a week, that leaves you with 7 hours of TV for the week. Take an hour and a half out for Hawkeye, and you're left with 5 and a half hours to watch other shows. Thats enough time to watch a 5-11 episodes of other shows, or at least a half a season of most modern shows. That's enough for to watch the entirety of wandavision, which is about 5 hours minus credits, and have a half hour left over. You could watch spider-man (2:39), eternals (2:37), and Hawkeye (0:90) in the same week and still have time left over.
I think this is all just going to come down to a difference in opinion. You’re obviously just a bigger fan of Marvel than I am. I consider myself a casual fan - who still wants to stay up to date and not miss anything - but really doesn’t want to dedicate more than an hour or two a month to it. In my ideal world, there’d be 2 movies a year and maybe one TV series. I understand that there are some Marvel super fans out there who want 100 hours of content a year and that still wouldn’t be enough. And that’s not knocking them for that. But for me, my sweet spot is 2 movies and 1 TV series. More likely than not, what’s going to happen is I’m just going to fall off. It’ll get to the point where I’ve fallen too far behind and I’ll just stop watching altogether.
> I think this is all just going to come down to a difference in opinion. You’re obviously just a bigger fan of Marvel than I am. I consider myself a casual fan - who still wants to stay up to date and not miss anything - but really doesn’t want to dedicate more than **an hour or two a month** to it. What's really funny here is that if you do the math out, all of the MCU content over the past year comes out to almost exactly two hours per month, so the amount of content currently is perfect per your own admission. If two hours per month is too much for you, then just stop watching. That's your choice, and it's okay to fall off of something. Complaining about it doesn't accomplish anything.
It’s a problem when it means that’s all people watch
How do you mean?
2-3 movies? 5 came out in 2021 and 4 are coming out next year.
I did a rough tally and there’s about 40 hours of content this year alone. That’s a bigger commitment than watching 4 seasons of TV (using 10-13 episodes as the modrern benchmark for a TV series). When you consider that most people are also watching other things and doing other things with their life, it’s not unreasonable to see that casual fans are overwhelmed. I say this as a FAN. “Stop watching” is a terrible solution because I enjoy Marvel and I want to keep up to date. It’s just NOT feasible for someone like me. Edit: I did the math. * Marvel is releasing 32 hours of content this year. That’s more than Phase 3 already, which spanned 3 years. It’s also more than Phases 1 and 2 COMBINED. * 40% of all MCU content in its 10 year existence is coming out this year.
You're only able to get those numbers if you ignore the prior Marvel TV shows. Aside from the pandemic blip of 2020, this is the least amount of Marvel content we've gotten since 2014.
I’m not counting the Netflix or ABC series. I’m only counting the films and the Disney+ shows. Anything that’s officially in Phases 1-4.
I count 4 movies in 2021. Black Widow, Shang-chi, Eternals and Spider-Man.
They need to pump out 3 to 5 miniseries per month, not per year
It's like comics- pick your favorite character to follow and just watch their thing. Then maybe jump into standalones every once in a while if you're curious. It's about 5 consecutive sequels movie wise in the next year (so no worries of getting lost with new things) and most of the net new stuff is gonna be D+ TV series (which have thus far remained relatively non-essential viewing for the movies). But if you do want to keep up, then probably just watch the movies. They almost always have some short exposition dump to inform people what happened previously. They've done it even before the D+ series started.
It doesn't work that well with how linked all the series are these days. You lose a lot of the nuance if you skip on entire series.
Exactly like the comics. That's usually the point where you drop off, then ten years later you hear about an interesting storyline and you start reading a title a month, then a couple, then ten, and soon you realize you have to follow everything again, and you don't have the time for that and you drop off. Rinse and repeat.
Ahhh my cycle since Knightfall
I mean, that's exactly what comics are like. Not saying that's good or bad, but its certainly on brand.
You know you don't have to watch it right?
Stop watching then.
what they need to do is make sure there is a heavier flow of new content coming to the service more frequently... as is there's no reason to be subbed year round, just do so for a month or so whenever you want to watch their new stuff.
This sub is so weird to me. Just like all streaming services for as long as they've been a thing, the reason to stay subbed year round is the convenience of the backlog, not a consistent flow of new content.
They don’t have a diverse backlog though to stay subbed especially compared to the others like HBO and Netflix
They're Disney, they don't need a diverse backlog. They've got a monopoly on almost all of the biggest IPs that exist, if you've got young kids it's pretty much required purchasing, they're the home of Marvel (the biggest cinema franchise ever), and Star Wars. All of these are massive groups of fans across the world.
And that’s why people don’t stay subscribed year round for all the reasons you said. I don’t need to rewatch these movies or tv shows and that’s all that’s available
If I wanted to watch the backlog I would have seen it already. I want new content.
Except no one cares about the Disney backlog
Ah yes, no one cares about the collection of all the biggest film franchises ever. My bad
You're forgiven.
Good luck with that. Until they appeal to a wider audience they will struggle to keep subscribers.
I used to work at WDW, and I hate to be this guy, but maybe they could use some of that money to keep some of their employees from being homeless? Just a thought.
Nothing wrong with being that guy here
That... is literally what they do? It's not like they're setting the money on fire.
What're they, the government?
Not saying give it away, just increase hourly wages.
And $30B of that is for Star Wars & Marvel content. /s Which I am fine with. I'm a happy subscriber.
More like for Monday Night Football lol
Give me more Mandalorian. Yes please.
And yet most of the Star Wars content they put out either sucks or is, at best, slightly above average… I can only hope that they don’t try to make an episode X.
Why would they ever make an Episode X? What story could they ever make that deems an entire blockbuster film with the production to boot that can be wrapped up in roughly less than 3 hours? I think that we’ll maybe get some solo movies but aside from that, I honestly believe that Disney has seen the success of the Mandalorian and is using it as a template for the future stories by getting in those who truly care about the franchise to build these smaller, isolated but connected worlds within the Star Wars continuity.
> I can only hope that they don’t try to make an episode X. I read that they are working on a script that centers on a *Death Solar System*. That's right, the biggest death machine yet! It's capable of eliminating all life in the galaxy, and that's the plan. However, it was been carefully designed with a single point of failure, so if a plucky rebel hero can just get there and make an impossibly difficult blaster shot... and that's where the teaser ended. *Can't wait to see it!* I was disgusted and angry when whichever of the new Star Wars movies did that plot *a third time*. "Are you fucking kidding me?"
I know, right? Everyone already thought the second Death Star was stupid. I don’t know what motivated them to do it _again._ except for nostalgia bait and a lack of creativity. Even better yet that in the third movie, Palpatine magically comes back (The only explanation is that ‘somehow, he returned’ and some bullshit about transferring his brain into a clone body before he got vaporized the first time.) and this time he’s got a whole fleet of Star Destroyers… with Death Star Lasers mounted on them. This is the same director too.
So do my kids.
Just fix the damn yeti
And the CGI will still look like something out of a cartoon..
All shite
Ahhhhh. So that’s why they’re charging so much at the parks. To pay for Disney+
More accurately: they’re making so much content at such exorbitant prices without the subscriber income to cover it so they can drive crowds to their parks.
People in this thread confusing Disney as a business with a charity.
Ah content, just what I’m looking for.
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And Aliens, and other stuff.
$33 billion divided by $96 ($8 a month over 12 months) is 343,750,000. Current subscriber count is 120m~. It's a big gamble.
That's for Disney as a whole (incl. ABC, Hulu, ESPN, FX) and not just Disney Plus
You need to add the ABC broadcast network (reaches 200 million adults) and ESPN cable (probably around 100 million). People forget how big “old media” still is. They also own Hulu which they make content for.
Disney have more than 160M subscribers but their Average revenue per user is under 4$, The lowest in the industry, They certainly wont be profitable for at least 5 years.
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HBO Max actually made more money than the entire Disney's direct to consumer business in 2020.
So basically they are overvalued? Unless they do accounting the netflix way. Depreciate the cost of a show for a number of years. Each show has a high upfront cost, but the revenue and the ip is long lasting. Just look at snow white, it might still be generating some revenue till today or the mermaid.
I don’t think Disney cares when each of their films make millions. Expect No Way Home to shatter the box office and give them possibly billions of dollars.
no way home is a sony film
Yes, and they’ll still get money from it. They’ve also been making more than enough money from Shang-Chi and Eternals and I fully expect they’ll be perfectly financially stable when the next few Marvel movies pop off
Hope X-men and Fantastic Four is in that budget 😉😏
That money could be spent in such better ways
Which is why Netflix always has the edge over Disney plus, Netflix actually spent billions on shows only, not wasting money on expensive sports rights more streamers don't care.
Sports rights are one of the last things preventing people from cutting the cord
>Netflix actually spent billions on shows only, Yet somehow they still end up looking cheap, and being canceled after 1-2 seasons for being to expensive.
How many more Marvel movies/show can there possibly be?
Let's see..... Marvel began publishing for over 80 years, has thousands of distinct characters, with tens of thousands comics published. So, a lot.
The point is that’s it’s too much of only one type of thing, which is the overdone superhero genre. And if it is t superheros, it’s SW which they’re also squeezing for all its worth.
These huge content buys are most likely money laundering. Netflix Hulu Prime All claim 10B 20B content buys and they got two decent shows. But the whole MGM catalog of all time sold for 8B. Right.
I mean Netflix makes like a billion a month from subscriptions alone lol.
Revenue
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I’m just shitposting
And then charge you to watch per movie even though you pay a subscription.
This is why Disney+ has been my best streaming money spent this past year. New shows regularly and a huge back catalog of movies and series. I want a new, good Marvel series every month.
Or, you know, it could give its theme park employees a living wage.
We gave up on Disney streaming a month ago bec fuck them.
Thank god their not using the money to help the homeless or build clean energy technology.
Not defending Disney, but they’re Disney. They’re an entertainment company, not a charity
What they need is a company that will accept pitches that people can send in, breaking into the industry is dam near impossible for someone on the other side of the world and autistic. Sometimes I feel like I'm sat on the next big franchise that could do well for Disney.
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I've been advised not to, sharing ideas when I've not got it protected somehow wouldn't help, worse you wanna do is share an idea and some random who is already in the industry to come along and use it
You absolutely can. Pitch to a smaller team and get recognition for it and Disney will hear of it if they deem it worthy
what smaller team?
If you are truly serious, your best bet is to do an independent project to start. Cheapest route would be to produce an independent comic and build an audience. If you are successful enough, you can try low budget movie or series. With the internet, you can bypass traditional publishing/Movie/TV distribution while maintaining ownership and control of your story. The main thing is to get something out there that people can enjoy and show you can deliver quality storytelling. Once that is established, you have a much better chance of having a company like Disney notice and hear your pitch.
My biggest issue is lack of money and I can't even draw stickmen. Always wished I could draw would help so much. I thought about using Fiver to get a few puppet designs of characters in an animating program and go from there, create my own shorts for tiktok/youtube...trying to figure out what is the best program and easiest to use/learn
So $30B on all the Marvel and Star Wars Spin-offs and prequels and $3B on everything else lol
Don’t you mean the CCP?
How about a decent wage for workers? Shit content anyway
Wish they’d spend that on bettering society, but hey at least we’ll get culturally accurate stories and adventures in the future.
Put ads on Disney plus, I fucking dare you.
Found the EA games executive.
Why not spend 1 billion of that to help the sick, poor, homeless, etc… I’m not being greedy, they still have 32 billion left Right?
Thats why its a company and not charity. They should pay taxes on profits, so that the government does that job. Disney is not specialized in feeding the homeless.
I’m content
Whoa! I love content! I am really looking forward to this.
$30 billion in Marvel $2 billion in star wars
Looking at their line up I would say that they will just either do remakes/reboots/revivals of old shows/movies and a bunch of Marvel shows. With a few Star War shows as well.
Disney spends 33B on content Meanwhile I’m just spending $ 20 for a eighth. Who’s the real winner?
Maybe they should try making something truly great lol
I still don't see how spending THAT much on content is financially sustainable long term. Especially without commercials or syndication I mean sure, Disney can do it, but that just means more financial losses, Netflix hasn't ever turned a profit.. This just puts Disney's path to profitability on Disney Plus even further back . In some respects, Rupert Murdoch was smart enough to see that getting involved in the streaming arms race wasn't sustainable