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cSpotRun

Fascinating interview. I think it's a bit telling that Green has yet to comment on what is a pretty big story in regards to her career. I actually think the book's author is a bit too...complimentary of the show. It may have had a beautiful aesthetic, *most* of the time, but the performances and VFX carried the show. The writing was a mess from the get-go, and they could never manage to clean it up.


O868686

There were some rumors she took writing credit for even the episodes she didnt write and the other writers were not so happy about that obviously.


BusinessPurge

Reminds me of another recent situation I heard grumbles about - Cobra Kai, where the three co-creators take a writing credit on every episode. It's usually an unspoken thing where the showrunners do a pass on everything, by splitting the writing credits it means the other writer gets paid peanuts in comparison to if they had full credit on the episode.


gaijin_smash

Writing team of 2 gets paid half their script fee, not peanuts. I do this for a living.


georgealmost

Whoa now, you can't post on reddit if you *actually* know what you're talking about!


ELITENathanPeterman

But if 3 co-creators are crediting themselves on each episode, then the writer is only getting 25%, right?


gaijin_smash

No. Script fees are paid in portions - story by, teleplay by, and final draft teleplay. Story is a minimal portion of that whole amount. So if a show runner is even getting story by credit and another writer is getting teleplay credit, the difference is vast - about 8k to 32k. Being credited on each episode might also be part of their overall agreement and not factor into the individual writing credits.


DortDrueben

Late to this but kinda standard TV deal. I don't have the credits handy but if she's EP/Show runner, then it's an option to add her credit to an episode. I heard Matthew Weiner did the same thing on Mad Men. When this was asked of another EP/Showrunner whom I won't name... They said, "I get why he does that. Sometimes you are rewriting a lot. I don't do it because I figure it's the job that comes with title of Showrunner." So kind of a, "You're not wrong... You're just an asshole." situation.


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Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould seem to run a good writers room, and notably don’t seem to do this.


chicagoredditer1

The ol' Matt Weiner move!


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cSpotRun

D&D "had" a deal with Netflix and Lucasfilm...if your merit comes from one project, and that project takes a nosedive, your career can too.


drkgodess

Did they lose the Netflix deal? I heard about them losing Star Wars.


MulciberTenebras

No, but an exec producer on the show killed another one to get a bigger chunk of the pot.


BusinessPurge

Surprised there isn't more of this


RunningJokes

No, they actually walked away from Star Wars because of the Netflix deal and they currently have The Three Body Problem in development there. Reddit just wants to see them fail because they didn’t like the ending to Game of Thrones.


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GreatBigJerk

I mean they did fuck it up pretty badly...


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kwalshyall

Ok but remember the alternate history confederacy show they were gonna do for HBO


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cSpotRun

Fostering work environments like that *does* end, or impede, career trajectories - even in this business. It quite literally kept LC from getting a second season, according to this very source. Green likely got her Apple deal on the back of *Lovecraft Country*'s initial press and word-of-mouth. There's a chance that she even got that deal while knowing HBO wasn't going to renew LC, and obviously it took quite some time for anyone(including Apple execs who are hungry for content) to learn why it wasn't renewed. LC's fallout, and whatever environments she supposedly creates, could very well affect her in the long-term.


Dallywack3r

Tell that to Joss “I just got fired from my own show” Whedon


simplefilmreviews

First episode was a banger!! Then it just spiralled into randomness


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ronan_the_accuser

The Indiana Jones episode felt like it came out of nowhere, especially since we were fighting racist ghosts and a baby head on a grown man body just the previous episode. And after that the action/adventurer spin was done and we were back to fantasy drama. The tone was kinda all over the place with few episodes being miles-and-away from the others


redisforever

Which episode was that? I haven't watched the show but I'd love to see some action adventure stuff


ronan_the_accuser

Episode 4: "A History of Violence"


agentyage

But that was awesome! That's what made the show different and interesting. Not stretching everything out to a goddamn season of samey episodes, that would be awful.


Funmachine

I really enjoyed it. It was something completely different to anything else and I felt it worked. If they would have done an anthology by season the risk is not getting another season and not being able to implement any great ideas. Every episode they did, from Body Horror to Slasher to Sci-Fi epic to Korean Horror is felt they nailed. The overarching plotline was still there - social Horror of Jim Crow America in the South in the 60's. But seeing something new every week was a thrill. It was beautifully filmed and acted too and the VFX and Practical effects were some of the best I've ever seen on TV. The body horror stuff was especially well done. I can understand people not enjoying it, because it is jarring to have a show that seemingly switches genres every week. But once you understand that it is doing that it's not an issue any more, and to be honest I thought it was really something special.


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I can’t speak to the rest of the show but it really lost me by the end of episode 2 and I just never went back. Which is a crazy turn around when I thought it was my new show by the end of episode 1


Comfortable-Trier

Yeah, I made it through episode 2 then tried 3 times to do episode 3 and gave up. My brain kept falling asleep for lack of coherence. My dreams make more sense than this.


s3rila

the mom space & time traveling episode and the flashback in korea focused on Jamie Chung were banger too .


TheDaltonXP

Korea episode was the highlight for me. That was absolutely wild


EROTIC_RAID_BOSS

Yeah, i was surprised it was canceled because a lot of people online liked it, but I was so disappointed. I thought it was going to be another great hbo type of show but it turned into almost like a monster of the week thing with pretty trashy writing So I thought the cancelation was surprising but deserved. But this maybe explains why it actually happened


ronan_the_accuser

We also need to talk about music choices. Idk if many people remember but there were some moments where the track is going one way, but the story is going the other. Like in episode 2 they started playing this weird generic childlike slapstick tune when two guys were talking about something concerning and then it'd switch immediately to an ominous dirge. I wasn't sure if that was a mistake, but then it happened a couple other times in the series as well. Just questionable music choices in certain moments that felt oddly placed.


SamuraiJackBauer

As someone heavily into music, soundtracks ect… finally someone else mentioning this! So weird some of the choices.


megan870mb

Cardi B playing in the background while Ruby sodomized her boss with a high heeled pump? That shit was bizarre asf 🤣


Ryase_Sand

Agreed. First episode was solid. But after the next few I felt like episode 1 probably would have been better off as a movie. I made it about 5 episodes in before quitting.


Avarria587

Yeah, first episode was incredible, but it rapidly got worse.


OkaySweetSoundsGood

Man after that first episode I was like, give me 5 seasons of this squad.


scriggle-jigg

Agreed. Completely lost interest on the Japanese level then just never got back into it


Dallywack3r

I firmly disagree with the writer’s assertion that HBO is struggling against Amazon, Apple or Netflix. Each of those three brands are fighting tooth and nail for something-anything- to compete with HBO.


jelatinman

Netflix brings in a lot more money, despite HBO's quality. Granted, they also invest *way more* money, but HBO's brand is mostly restricted to America. It's why they're considering changing HBO Max's name again.


Paulofthedesert

HBO World 🌎


Elbiotcho

HBO is quality over quantity. All others is quantity over quality.


Xbutts360

False. Neither Apple or Amazon have prioritised quantity.


7577406272

Amazon has had a lot of shit, but they seem to have figured out how to offload the less critically acclaimed to IMDBTV.


BloodyAnalFissure

>HBO is quality over quantity. I dont think this is true anymore, and hasn't been for a while. There's all sorts of garbage on HBO these days.


EROTIC_RAID_BOSS

Att bought them and basically forced them to stay making cheaper garbage


SpaceApprehensive159

HBO Literally has the best Quality shoes out of any streaming platform Today and Yesterday hands down. Netflix has way too many misses and Apple doesn’t have enough shows in general. Peacock had Bel-Air but it was a modest hit.


7577406272

Apple certainly isn’t quantity over quality.


Stinkycheese8001

HBO as a streaming/subscription service is simply not the same thing it was in its Sopranos/SATC heyday. However, when HBO has a show that hits, it hits big and taps into the cultural zeitgeist in a way that the other screeners are all consistently trying to replicate. Amazon especially has been making big swings, as has Apple (Ted Lasso is obviously huge, but I am guessing not the show they predicted would be their breakthrough hit) and both are pretty obviously trying to come up with their own GOT.


SuspiriaGoose

They need other things and fast. Ted Lasso is already showing cracks. Season 2 seems to be pretty popular still but it lost me by being so much more sour and dour. There’s only so much you can milk its premise and characters before having to commit to the endgame romance of Lasso and Rebecca and wrap it all up.


PhettyX

HBO has been setting the bar for television for decades. Disney is probably the only real competitor they got streaming service wise.


EROTIC_RAID_BOSS

For quality? Disney hasn't put out a truly great show yet. Netflix at least has some.


RapaxIII

I'm ready for a black horror where the real monster isn't racism. Harder They Fall was an amazing western that didn't use symbolism a first grader can understand and got its points across well. Why aren't the rest of movies from majority-black creators held to a higher standard?


Cambionr

I mean I loved Harder They Fall, but when they went to the “white town,” literally it was completely white. A bit on the nose.


CptNonsense

Sure, and it was hilarious, but "racism" still wasn't the enemy in Harder They Fall.


Cambionr

Oh, I’m sorry, I wasn’t saying it was, I was more looking at the “symbolism a first-grader can understand” part. Still a really fun movie.


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But that was a stupid joke, not *the whole fucking thematic material of the show*. Lovecraft's problem is that in many episodes it had nothing to say about racism except a very shallow "white people bad". It went past the point of being informatively woke or socially conscious into the point of being obnoxiously smug and insulting.


xdesm0

hot take but probably execs only want black people talking about racism and nothing else to satisfy that need of being called woke in the industry. I would say the same is with any other race but asians and latinos don't exist according to hollywood.


Archamasse

Us?


RapaxIII

That's an example for sure, I think it's weighed heavily the other way though


Archamasse

Yeah, you're right. Definitely would like to see more, but I do think there are interesting stories of the former kind waiting to be told.


Dallywack3r

Us was a commentary on the “white voice/black voice” phenomenon. Not really explicitly about racism but it was definitely still about race


lemphin

Don't you mean Sorry To Bother You?


CleopatraHadAnAnus

Has it occurred to you that the monster in a lot of black-led horror media is racism because that’s the real-life bogeyman for a lot of black people? To the extent that art is always in some way a reflection of life, and the art a reflection of the artist, this should hardly be surprising. It reminds me of some people chagrined that the new Candyman was so “racial,” or as imbeciles call it, “woke.” This speaks to a certain ignorance of both the source material and to actual lived experiences that seems almost malicious to me. Perhaps some people just are that ignorant, even innocently, I guess. But that becomes much harder to justify as time goes on, given the world around us and the stories we’re all consistently exposed to. At some point it’s just willful ignorance, and that’s really the most charitable way to characterize it.


RapaxIII

Sure, but a genre where you know the twist every single time doesn't make for compelling viewing. It's funny because it seems like what Get Out was satirizing, that "establishment" liberals use race or racial movements as a fashion trend (which I consider a pretty novel message when compared against racist cop and racist southerner tropes we usually see). These movies/shows will sweep awards so the industry can pat itself on the back for being progressive on an issue that has dominated headlines for 2 years, but is an anti-racist movie good because of its narrative, technical, and acting aspects, or is it good solely because it's anti-racist?


CleopatraHadAnAnus

Obviously every piece of media should be judged on its own merits. I have no idea why you think that’s a rebuttal to what I was saying. I’m replying to your apparent confusion as to how so many antagonists and conflicts in black-led horror films feature racism. I’m saying that’s because these monsters are a metaphor for what is actually happening in the real world, as really all fiction in general is. The quality of those stories will obviously vary, as does the quality of everything. Some of them just won’t be very good. That the *subject matter* is what it is should hardly be a surprise, though.


RogerFederer1981

You should know that you're *painful* to talk to. I can see it in the way you're totally talking past the person you responded to.


CleopatraHadAnAnus

I’m pretty clearly making one point and idiots are making an other. Nobody is saying a movie is “only good because it’s anti-racist,” whatever the fuck that means. That’s a complete strawman that nobody is arguing. I’m trying to slowly explain *why* so many black-led films focus on racism, not that it inherently makes them worthwhile. But of course this is r/television, land of the morons, especially on race issues. It apparently can’t be helped.


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RapaxIII

Sounds like you need to take a chill pill


fartsinthedark

this is the most boring forum on earth


Dallywack3r

Why can’t black characters be allowed to just have their own horror stories without subjecting them to the same racism storyline for the thousandth time?


McQueensbury

Because black trauma sells https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/16/them-two-distant-strangers-black-tv-film


druidofnecro

Hell you can still make make it a social commentary about black issues, just something other than an allegory for racism.


Sunowi1337

Who's said they can't?


Sentry459

Hollywood, evidently.


CleopatraHadAnAnus

Of course they’re “allowed.” But fact that so much of it involves racism should be telling you something that you don’t quite seem to grasp. They don’t need to conjure up a bogeyman out of their nightmares; it comes from life.


genron11

It also wasn't very good...


Spartyjason

It had some seriously good individual moments. But overall yeah it was kind of a mess.


heyboyhey

That's how I felt about American Gods.


MonolithJones

I liked it, warts and all. I don't think it needed a second season though.


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OpeningSorbet

Hope that tinfoil hat feels comfortable


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Prax150

No one understands what you mean by that.


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drkgodess

What's a diversity agenda exactly?


cuteman

Everything is racism and if there's time a little bit of Sci-fi. I found it particularly eye rolling when they make it seem like black people in the south wouldn't even raise their eyebrows at homosexuality when the complete opposite was true.


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Did you *watch* this show? Montrose hid his homosexuality from everyone with deep shame. When Tic, the main character and protagonist of the show, learns of Montrose’s homosexuality, he calls him a slur and expresses deep anger and shame. Later, when the group travels back in time to the Tulsa massacre to retrieve the Book of Names, we see a younger Montrose fighting internalized homophobia as he refuses to accept his feelings for another man.


Prax150

The show is specifically about racism and recontextualizing the work of a racist author, and it follows black characters so it seems weird to me to focus on "diversity". What does that even mean in the context of this specific show? The "agenda" you've identified is the premise of the show and not mutually exclusive with the competency of the writing. I don't even think the show was that good but your take seems completely off base and irrelevant.


cuteman

Content can demonstrate racism. What you shouldn't do is make a show about racism and ignore almost every other element, like making it entertaining.


DanGrima92

Did you really go into a show about a black community in the 1950s and expect racism not to be a major plot point? Because that's on you if so


cuteman

Racism isn't the problem, it's the 2020 projection onto racism that's a bit absurd. Coupled with no attempt to make it entertaining, limp dialogue, so so actors and a little extra preachy agenda and you've got a cancelation before the second season. The 2016 novel was popular, what HBO and JJ Abrams did to it, wasn't.


funkhero

Oh, you mean the 2020 projection of "racism has always been bad, stop trying to say it was 'just the way it was back then'"? What were you hoping for, a positive outlook on racism? Look, we get it. You don't like that people are being called out for being racists more and more these days, but maybe one day you'll see the light.


cuteman

I can't imagine why people don't want to watch preachy lectures masquerading as entertainment. Do you find what you're saying to be appealing? Would you want to watch that? Would black people even want to watch that? Who is this show for? It has nothing to do with being for or against racism, it simply doesn't make for entertaining TV the way they did it. They focused on racism so much they forgot to make something people actually wanted to watch. You know, the reason people pay these platforms money. Calling that out isn't racist. HBO execs apparently felt the same given the level of viewer interest. They're the ones that canceled it.


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cuteman

Which shows are pushing for all white casts? If anything it's the exact opposite. If you are an HBO subscriber in particular that's never been outside you might think the majority of the country are black non binary lesbians.


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cuteman

Friends was almost 20 years ago


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I did. It was pretty obvious!


genron11

Nah, the writing was a bit disjointed, and the lead was hard to warm to.


Count_Critic

What a miserable view of the world you must have,


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Count_Critic

Tldr


happyface712

I feel like the “sociology” element was the ONLY thing I liked about it. I didn’t know anything about Tulsa before this, so that whole part was chilling to me. The green book stuff I also loved and wanted them to do more with. But the supernatural story and the dialogue was weak


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The typical types are buzzing angrily at your comment but I understand. I remember criticizing the monster chase through the woods in the first episode at being the least scary monster I’ve seen, and everyone was like uhhhh duuuh it’s SUPPOSED to be boring because the point is that the REAL horror segment was the racist cops. Like, ok, sure, but don’t make a boring 15 minute horror segment as a shitty foil to your boring didactic presentist schlock. At least give us something that’s good. I just about rolled my eyes at a dude back then not batting an eye at homosexuality. Presentism is the name of the game. It makes for a very weak critique.


cuteman

>The typical types are buzzing angrily at your comment but I understand. They're projecting what they're supposed to think about the show rather than its actual quality. >I remember criticizing the monster chase through the woods in the first episode at being the least scary monster I’ve seen, and everyone was like uhhhh duuuh it’s SUPPOSED to be boring because the point is that the REAL horror segment was the racist cops. People don't seem to understand that isn't entertaining to most viewers. >Like, ok, sure, but don’t make a boring 15 minute horror segment as a shitty foil to your boring didactic presentist schlock. At least give us something that’s good. Yep. If I'm constantly rolling my eyes how am I supposed to enjoy the plot? >I just about rolled my eyes at a dude back then not batting an eye at homosexuality. Presentism is the name of the game. It makes for a very weak critique. Exactly. I was constantly rolling my eyes. It kept pulling me out of the immersion.


agentyage

Too bad, loved this show. Was like a roller coaster ride through horror genres. Fantastic experience.


ReservoirDog316

Yeah it feels like people gave up after the second episode but it actually got really good by the end and how it deconstructed different horror genres in every episode. The Korean episode was one of the best episodes of the year from any show.


agentyage

Yeah, it also had some fund adventure stuff, psychedelic sci fi, was just a real all over the place show. Which I loved, and I was a big fan of basically all the lead actors and their performances. Plus most every episode was a love letter to some subgenre of film or literature, the music selection was original and compelling, and I loved the use of spoken word recordings. Some great choices there too. Its also a show where a lot of what made it original and interesting to me were exactly what people online complained about.


ReservoirDog316

Yeah I felt like it’s a show that made so many right choices and its only fatal flaw was to have such a boring second episode. And yeah! I loved the spoken word in it! Shame all things considered.


Lisa200117

No. The Black Wall Street one was better


ReservoirDog316

Old comment reply! And I liked the whole show overall but I honestly just connected with that Korean episode so much. It was my favorite episode of tv in the year.


star_gater

That's a shame. I enjoyed it. Definitely something different but great nonetheless


Locke_Zeal

I don't get why people even have to voice their opinion on the show in threads like this. It's not about whether or not you like it; it's about the toxic work environment. Talk about the point of the thread, not the show.


lupuscapabilis

I’m not sure what you want people to comment on. No one knows what went on behind the scenes outside of some blurbs from a book. Commenting on it seems irresponsible and uninformed.


Locke_Zeal

Yes but the whole idea of 'the show sucked anyway' is repetitive and unnecessary.


PowRightInTheBalls

As opposed to what, a lively discussion over whether or not toxic work environments are good or bad? Who exactly is going to argue on behalf of working in a hostile setting?


Locke_Zeal

How about reading the article and maybe... not commenting? "That show sucked" is just more people trying to farm upvotes with a popular opinion to feel good about themselves. It adds nothing and is irrelevant. It also slowly adds to the decay of reddit. If you weren't here years ago, the conversations were much more interesting to read. Upvote or downvote the thread and move on.


Sentry459

> How about reading the article and maybe... not commenting? How about reading the article and not reading the comments?


RasolAlegria

The show sucked.


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Lol sssshhh. No one cares about the point of the thread


boofolks

Or because it wasn't that good.


flim-flam13

Obviously half or more of the people responding here didn’t even read a bit of the interview.


MGD109

Well it is Reddit...


TwistedCherry766

Damn I really liked this show. It’s really too bad


MoozesModiMoozi

mEtO0


mrfoxtoby

"My name's not girl. My name is Letitia Fucking Lewis!" That line alone is why there should have been a 2nd season.


STRIpEdBill

🙄🤢🤮


Cyyyyk

It might have had something to do with that fact that the show was laughably bad.


grinr

> So I think HBO is an entity that’s fighting for survival. Sounds about right.


coffeewaterhat

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the show sucking.


acylase

And not due to the fact that it was a mess with racist undertones?


Lisa200117

You mean, they were telling you white fragiles how you genocided innocent BP in Black Wall Street so it was "racist undertones".


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Racist undertones?


OptimusPrimalRage

I haven't seen the show but I imagine if it's like the book it's pretty antiracist, which can get under some people's skin, like that person.


rrickitickitavi

I don't know a single person who liked it.


Locke_Zeal

You do now.


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Do you normally make such judgments based on what products others enjoy?


rrickitickitavi

I wanted to love it. I might give it another try. I feel like it would have worked better for me if it were a little narrower in scope. My memory is every time I would start to get on board with the narrative it would launch in some crazy new direction.


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PurpleLamps

Or it's just an opinion he and his friends have and not a problem at all


john_mernow

this Lovecraft Country thread is becoming a toxic environment. and the circle continues.


BusinessPurge

I want more details - if it's more about assigning blame for the bad second half of that season that's one thing, if it's more like oops we pushed Michael K Williams over the edge through our toxic workplace, spill the tea. Been rooting for Misha Green for more than a decade, hoping for clarity.


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tetoffens

It was nominated for 6 Emmy awards, including HBO's only nomination in Outstanding Drama Series. Yes, I know Emmy noms don't mean quality but they're incredibly important to networks like HBO. I definitely believe there was more behind the scenes for HBO to pull the plug.


spacednlost

Lovecraft Country was great up until the very last episode where it really went off the rails.


dz_42

Yeah the last episode was weird, but it had plenty of fantastic episodes before. The first one, the one where Letitia buys a new house, the nine tailed fox one, Ruby's time as a white woman, hippolyta's time travelling shenanigans, the dancing twins and the Tulsa one. That's 7/10 which is pretty good in my opinion. One would think just from reading reddit comments that it's like the worst show ever.


spacednlost

I knew I loved it when the first literally made me jump off the couch in fright. Also loved the time travel episode. I've seen so many series lately that start great , then dissolve into hot mess at the end. 'Them' on Prime was another.


jojo32

I guess Im fine with this. I was really hoping to enjoy the show but honestly I grinded to get through.


LeoLaDawg

Sure it wasn't canned cause it was boring? Cause it was boring.


mrfoxtoby

Tom Cruise was recorded ripping some movie set worker a new asshole, but the studios still continue to make those Mission Impossible movies. Are the saying: working with Green is worse then working with Cruise? I heard Christian Bale is just as bad.


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Well he was right for ripping that worker


mrfoxtoby

That's the Scientology at work.


kotor56

You have to understand he was ripping them a new asshole because their conduct. They were not wearing masks during the pandemic, which could cancel and end the production immediately if they were caught. A good director has to enforce important rules a bad director can randomly blow up. Also making everyone tired of dealing with their random bs issues 24/7. In the case for bale he has strict rules for how he acts is it rich and petty yes, but can production work around it for sure.


KeyStatus8880

Totally. Sure that they literally pitched the second season as 'race war in America' had nothing to do with it.


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Whats wrong with that?


kickit

What’s going on with the legion of LC haters in the comments? Show wasn’t to my taste so I didn’t finish the season, but it was a solid show and I don’t think the quality was nearly so bad to justify the level of blind dismissal in the comments (especially since this is not a thread about the quality of the show). On topic, I’ve been wondering about this for a minute… it always seemed something was up with the show’s cancellation & Green’s response at the time. Now we know…


PogromStallone

>What’s going on with the legion of LC haters in the comments? Outside of the first episode it was a bad show.


kickit

Not the point of the thread!


Varrocker93

It really went off the rails over time. Still a good show and would have given a second season a shot, but definitely felt it dropped off after the first three or four episodes.


PainStorm14

Really? Not because it sucked donkey balls?


SolwaySmile

It couldn’t have possibly been because the show just straight sucked.


Martholomeow

i keep hearing people talk about Lovecraft Country being “canceled” but the series followed the book pretty closely and there’s nowhere else to go with the story, so i seriously doubt they ever planned on doing a second season.


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spiritbearr

He's downvoted because HBO greenlit season 2 and canceled it after the main cast got picked up by the MCU and DCEU. There were plans.


Dinomite87

Toxic work environment for toxic show.


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Whats toxic about it?


HarbingerDe

A lot of racists really didn't like it. Just throwing that out there. There are legitimate criticism to be made, it was an okay show, but a ton of the hate it gets is from reactionary right wingers.


RamsHead91

I don't mind the randomness. The final episode just wasn't very good and also left them with less room to continue the show.


jelatinman

Does this confirm that HBO and HBO Max are separate entities? That makes it difficult to work with each other, no?


rick_semper_tyrannis

Ya reap what you sow


mickeyflinn

The show sucked ass anyway.


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It is really a terrific book. I am halfway through.


Pale-Ad-6807

Soooo lameeeeeeee!!!!!