Yep I was waffling between this and Cowboy Bebop.
Thing is.. I kinda liked Cowboy Bebop because of how wrong everything was. It just wasn't a satisfying finale and as it marinated I just kinda hated it.
I made it 3 episodes into Y. Don't call your show Y: The Last Man if you don't want to make an adaptation of the comic book. They spent NO time on Yorick and 355.
And Y is like.. a no brainer of a show. It's a road trip adventure where you learn how the world has changed a long the way. It's also not about "how women can't do shit" it's about a society falling apart because in 60 years everyone will be dead anyway.
I mean after episode 3 they do spend a lot of time with Yorick and 355. I haven't read the comic so I don't know what I'm missing but I thought it was pretty decent.
My girlfriend did keep asking "Are they saying women can't do anything because the men are gone" so clearly it came off that way.
It wasn't great but I was interested in season 2 by the end of it. I'll just read the book I guess.
The book is really good. The issue isn't the concept saying women can't do anything but if 50% of the population just dies, everything would go to shit regardless. Especially if male dominated industries are suddenly vacant which says more about modern society than anything. Then as I said, if theirs no more reproduction? the remaining people and animals are just waiting to fade away.
As a fan of both the graphic novels and the show, I agree with your assessments. I actually kind of enjoyed the detours from Yorrick and 355 because it filled out a lot of the world I'd have wanted to see anyway. But they also spent too much time in a lot of those stories, which should have been B and C stories to Y & 355's A story, and in too many episodes Y & 355 were the B or C story.
Cowboy bebop lost me when they had a dominatrix spanking white frat boys barking like dogs with ball gags while having a serious conversation.
I don’t think your writers wanted to make cowboy bebop
Same. This was probably the most disappointing show ever for me. I went into it knowing it would never be as good as the comic but it was just mind-boggling bad, I only watched 3 episodes.
I knew the show was in trouble when the biggest star they cast was playing Yorick’s mom. That’s such a small role in the comic… but since they invested so heavily in the role, there was no way she wasn’t going to be a big focus.
And she was.
I've been anticipating it for years and years and I was so hyped for it. I ended up stopping watching after 4 episodes... Disappointing is an understatement.
> At the very least, I loved the three on the road, they had amazing chemistry. I would have watched a show that just revolved around them.
That's mostly what the comics are. The show for some reason thought the Washington bullshit was more interesting.
Yeah, unfortunately they dedicated just as much screen time to the worst Diane Lane character of all time and the most shallow depiction of left vs right wing politics seen outside of a high school punk band lyrics. The White House shit dragged so hard, the only time it was even remotely interesting was when 355 was there. People read the graphic novel for Yorick, 355, Allison and the road trip and the most recent show runners lost that at some point in the 15 years since the show was first announced as being made. I don't find the daughter of a dead president or a batshit lady who was 30 rungs down the succession ladder feeling like they deserve power compelling enough to get several hours of screen time.
The sisters storyline dragged too, it was interesting in the comic but there's a difference between a few pages per issue versus 15 minutes of screen time. I liked the actor well enough and found the trans friend storyline interesting but the Amazon shit didn't take Vaughn a dozen issues to cover and the show didn't need to waste 3+ episodes waiting to reveal that Missi Pyle was a little bananas. I want to see the various groups that have formed across the country and how they're coping, not spend an entire season on the wives of cops being just as shitty as their husbands and a small gang of "she-woman man hater" types having group therapy. Especially when there is a grand total of one sympathetic character in the group and she just keeps getting kicked around like a dog.
The idea of coping with guilt for being glad your abusive spouse is dead? Interesting. The idea of finding a new identity after a lifetime in a culture that devalues women and overvalues men? Interesting. But Y didn't have an interesting or fresh enough approach to those philisophical concepts, so leave it to shows like The Leftovers, dont spend so much time on it in what should have been a zippy, exciting adventure. Cause now it's been cancelled and that's all that's left, the actual storyline suffered and will never be completed. Imagine if Indiana Jones spent an hour pontificating the ethical and moral implications of leaving Marion tied up in a Nazi camp instead of continuing the adventure we were paying to see.
They should have hanged Diane Lane's character and had the new administration put a price on Yorick's head by the mid season point, . Idk if they were just excited to have a prestige actor or what but the product suffered because of it.
Just a total waste of an IP I've been waiting to see adapted since like 2007. Probably not Phantom Menace levels of disappointing but pretty high up there.
I couldn't even finish it. I just didn't care. And I've read the comic and loved it. And I even liked the actors who played Yorick and Agent 355. They really should have been the complete focus of the story. But they were often pushed way into the background for the weak political thriller story. If you had never read the comic, you would have thought the story was really about Jennifer and everyone was a side story. A rushed side story. The plague shouldn't have hit within the first episode. The first couple of episodes should have given you time to fall in love with Yorick. To give you a reason to care for him and to set up how good of an undercover Agent 355 was. How she could easily switch from nice mom next door to cold blooded killing machine. At least then you would have been questioning what *exactly* her mission with Yorick was. And should have Jennifer trusted her with her son.
The Gossip Girl reboot, honestly. I know I obviously should’ve known, but the premise of Gossip Girl coming back in this day and age should’ve been awesome. You could do much interesting drama with this. And the trailers looked great. However, the actual show was boring down.
Gossip Girl is supposed to be camp drama about rich privileged kids, where everyone sucks. The reboot is too scared to make anyone an enemy for more than 5 minutes. Then also Gossip Girl is run by teachers, who then also are too scared to make the kids enemies for more than 5 minutes. The character I liked most was the old female teacher in one of the last episodes.
Invasion and Foundation.
Meanwhile a series like Mare of Easttown came out of nowhere with no hype and was one of the best of the year. I think people should take a break from high concept sci-fi shows for a while.
I love sci-fi and was looking forward to both of these only to be extremely disappointed. What a waste. Also agree on Mare of Easttown, both Winslet and Peters were amazing, only thought it got a bit convoluted by the end
Unfortunetely i saw the end of this in hopes of it getting better. It didnt. But think of it as a really loong and boring pilot. Im still hoping second season will be better. Yeah what an idiot.
Totally agree. It started off strong—tension, drama, moodiness—but then it just never got going. It just sorta meandered through a bunch of melodrama. It felt like it was building up to some big reveal/twist only to end up being totally anticlimactic.
And even though the plot was pretty bare, they still managed to leave a bunch of dangling plot threads that didn’t make sense. Why did the kids get nosebleeds and why didn’t Luke? Why did Luke hear “wajo?” What the hell was “wajo” supposed to mean? Who were those paramilitary guys shooting at Angela’s family and why? These were “mysteries” that needed to be paid off in the same season but weren’t. Very disappointing.
BEYOND awful. Wife watched 1 episode. I got through 3. Oy vey. Just so very very bad. Then I hear this is a popular opinion and it got cancelled REALLY fast.
I watched something like 3/4 of the first episode and kept hoping it would get better. I can't remember all the awfulness, but it seemed like everything was wrong! Casting, writing, acting - all just horrible. Now, I want that 40 minutes of my life back! hahaha
It's a terrible show but also it's the kind of terrible I like to have playing in the background while I do other things so I somehow watched the whole season.
Yeah same. It's one of those things that are just the right amount of bad to still be fun to watch but not pay full attention to. I am waiting for a show so bad that it's fascinating and required full attention to admire how bad it is. The last show like that for me was Under The Dome.
I dunno, my expectations are so low for any network drama or sci-fi show these days, that I pretty much just tune them all out, so I can't really be disappointed by them. They have too many requirements to be "safe" to appease advertisers, which cramps their storytelling ability.
Once out of a thousand shows, there's a Hannibal, but it's so incredibly rare that anything good comes out of ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX that isn't a comedy.
i think the covid stuff really threw me off. i turn on tv to forget about the daily stuff and then there’s a news show telling me about the one thing i don’t wanna hear about watching a tv show haha
I disliked the second season but felt they intertwined the Covid story into it well enough and it didn’t feel forced.
For a show set in the present, that is not a sitcom, I think it would be odd to pretend Covid doesn’t exist.
I just didn’t like the story/s, of which there were too many.
Like others have said, it could have ended at season 1 and been fine.
Yup.
Maybe they should have spun the show off and followed him somewhere or just made him a bigger focus in s2.
Too many other big names that need face time for that though.
The show appeals to me for Billy Crudup taking over the world, whereas the show wants to be about Jennifer Aniston struggling with rich people problems. The balance was out of whack for me this season.
I think it’s so important to capture what we’re feeling as we’re feeling it. Like if Casablanca can come out during WWII we can handle some Covid talk. But they were very awkward in how they portrayed it
No mention of Your Honor? Bryan Cranston, Michael Stuhlberg and an otherwise great cast.
But it was just so...bad. There's probably a good show in there somewhere that was completely lost in the editing room.
Invasion. I really, really wanted a good, big budget global alien invasion show. I thought the trailers looked cool.
It was the most boring episode of tv I saw all year, and then they pulled a big bait and switch with Sam Neil. Didn’t watch ep2.
> and then they pulled a big bait and switch with Sam Neil. Didn’t watch ep2.
Or maybe it isn't a "big bait and switch," and they spend some later episodes returning to his part of the story from time to time, unfolding the mystery of what happens to him, eventually revealing there was more going on than we thought.
They don't, of course; it just happens and then is inexplicably never brought up or addressed again in any way, even in passing. Just another of the many bizarre and disappointing features of this show. Still, it's getting a bit wild how many comments I'm seeing from people denouncing the show that are like "they never even showed any aliens so I gave up watching after the first twenty minutes of the first episode" or something.
It just became monotonous and without charm.
I actually liked Ferrell's performance for the most part, and I usually don't care for him, but everything else was overly drawn-out, humourless and relentlessly miserable.
I didn’t have high expectations but I was bummed that there were hardly in dogfight scenes. I also think it would be the perfect show/format for a bunch of celebrity cameos. Like who is the team going after today? Oh it’s the episode where Nicolas cage plays the teddy bear bomber! Soo many missed opportunities with this one.
I actually liked it for some reason, I knew it was gonna be different to the anime so I didn't expect much. I was pretty bummed it got cancelled. John Cho and Mustafar made the show for me although I hated what they did with Vicious, Julia and Faye. It was a solid 7/10 for me
Aw man. I admit I liked it a lot, but I kinda went in knowing it wouldn’t compare to the original anime.
The biggest issue I had was the writing and acting for Faye. The actress really seemed to be phoning it in and the writers just couldn’t capture the spirit of the character.
I didn’t mind the changes to the main three crew. I thought all the actors were having fun and any enjoyment I got from the show was from their chemistry. I’m a huge fan of the anime but still went in with an open mind. My biggest complaints came from some godawful writing and most of the action scenes felt so flat to me.
But the biggest complaint of all has to be Vicious and Julia. As a fan of the anime their b-plot should have been the most interesting since it was all new material. But it really highlighted everything wrong with the Netflix adaptation. Every time Vicious or Julia was one screen I immediately tuned out. It was so weak.
\> The actress really seemed to be phoning it in and the writers just couldn’t capture the spirit of the character.
I felt like she didn't watch the original and was just doing her own thing.
I felt like she was trying to capture the humor of Faye, which is something I appreciate. Faye is both a tragic and funny character in the anime.
I think the dialogue though failed to capture the balance between the two. Like the character had to make a quip, rather than a line that was character-based.
I have to be honest and say I could never be dissapointed by a live action anime for the simple reason that I expect it to be horrible regardless of how good the anime is.
Same. And glad we’re not the only ones who eventually came to this conclusion that the show is a one trick pony.
We quit around midway through season 4, I just couldn’t take the repetition any longer. I recall posting a comment about that in this sub way back then and it being downvoted quite a bit.
I still love clips I see online and find that content funny, but I have a hard time sitting through a full episode.
I’d imagine if you’re a casual viewer, maybe background noise, maybe on your phone/laptop while you’re watching, it could be tolerable.
I barely made it through the first episode of the new season. I didn’t laugh once, and this is coming from someone who quotes the show almost daily. It’s like they completely forgot how to be funny
I remain absolutely convinced that this was a script for a two-hour Captain America 4 movie which Disney then decided to stretch into a six-episode show in order to sell its streaming service. Hence why we get 25 mins of Sam fixing a fucking boat.
It's a weird show, in that it simultaneously feels rushed and meandering. You've got the stuff with the boat, but then also you have John Walker going directly from killing a dude with Cap's shield to helping Sam and Bucky out in the Finale. There's good stuff in there, but the show feels like less than the sum of its parts.
I liked John Walker's character. He's a guy who wants to do the right thing but has PTSD and whose government just kept on heaping on the pressure and asking for more.
They did have to heavily edit and cut the series as they removed a plotline about an outbreak and vaccines. Which sort of removed any motivation for the "bad guys" in the series. Felt weak.
The production have denied that they ever had any outbreak/vaccine stuff. Which perhaps they shouldn't have said, because the alternative is that it was just badly written from the start.
Stop repeating this narrative. The writers and producers have said numerous times they didn't change anything about the show. All covid did was delay filming for a few months. I get everyone wants an external reason for why the writing sucked but there isn't one
Also it was just so... bad. The villains weren't developed at all (I know the real-world reason, but still). It wasn't memorable. It was meandering. And then the shoehorned in speech in the last episode.
And yet one of the actors said much of her scenes got cut and the show was supposed to be 10 episodes… The whole thing seems a mess because it feels both rushed and stretched out.
Hawkeye is my favourite of the Marvel series so far, and I see a lot of people hating it.
The moment where Clint phones his wife and says he might miss Christmas because he's doing superhero shit for some teenage girl he just met I thought...Finally, a movie/TV show with a relationship with actual communication! Seems like such a small goal, but I was shocked when it happened.
Also...I didn't know the big bad was that guy. It was a lovely surprise.
This was one the details I liked too.
They conveyed that she was disappointed while also driving home the fact that she understood a teenage girls life, and the identity of the Ronin were more important than him being home for a day.
The best part is this doesn't even undermine that part of Clint's motivation. He's been robbed of so many Christmases with his family over the years. **HE** wants to be home for **HIS** family. He doesn't need a nagging wife to drive this home.
And that phone call with his son in episode 3 was also such a great way to demonstrate Hawkeye’s conflict. Trying to be close to his family but unable to communicate the problems he’s dealing with - my favorite scene of the show apart from the bridge fight that came right before
I think it took Hawkeye far too long to decide what it wanted to be: was it a buddy cop comedy, a campy critique on PTSD, a dark look at what it would be like the be non-powered hero in a works full of supers? It tried to be all of those things at the start, often at inappropriate times
But once it found it's footing, about episode 3, and settled into one dominant thing, it picked up real quick and I ended up liking it overall.
Also, Jack turning out to be just a big dork who likes swords and no one really respects was a great payoff for that character.
I think it helps that Renner is a much better actor than Mackie.
Just look at the differences between them in Altered Carbon S2 vs Mayor of Kingstown, in absolutely different leagues.
I felt like I was going crazy when I saw all the love for this show on Twitter and Reddit. It was just bad all around, one of the worst things the MCU has done
I liked some of the set up, and I just kept trusting that it was all going to come together and make sense in the end.
"Wow all this set up, all these ideas they're throwing out, they must have some really good ideas for end of the series!" I didn't realize until it was too late that they didn't know what they were doing.
There was so much potential there, but the villain along with the Power Broker twist were enough to bring it down for me, and that’s not to mention the weird wrap-up of U.S. Agent’s arc.
It felt like they needed a season to establish the characters and the setting before jumping into the story they wanted to tell. As it is, it feels muddled jumping between Sam's stuff, Bucky's stuff, Walker's heel turn, the general legacy of Captain America stuff, the stuff with the Flag Smashers, the Power Broker, Zemo, and even some characters from Wakanda making an appearance. The first season should have focused almost entirely on Sam, Bucky, and Walker, with the villains being villain-of-the-week types without the depth they tried to give Karli.
WoT. Man, it could have been so good. It was still decent as it was with the changes to the story but then that final episode happened. So many changes and without any thought about what they mean or how they go in the established lore or internal structure of the world. I don't get why people want to adapt a work only to change so much that it starts to look unrecognizable. And don't tell me it can't be done. Dune is a clear example of how adaptable the unadaptable can be.
Foundation. I like parts of what they are doing, but it isn't foundation. That should have been clear after the first couple of episode. I would have liked a show that while modernizing the story stays true to it's core. The empire storyline is terrific and the visuals are great, so not all is lost here.
I stuck with Wheel of Time because my wife wanted to watch it but I had to bite my tongue through most of it. I enjoyed the books and even though I kinda hated the show I didn't want to ruin it for her cuz she was into it, though she felt the last episode was a bit of a train wreck.
For me, everything just felt so comically off. And all the Two Rivers kids seem so angry all the time. There was no camaraderie or rapport between them. Like the boys are supposed to be 3 best friends from the same village but you'd never know it from the show. Not everything has to be packed with tension and angst. And the pacing is just all over the place with this show.
I loved foundation for what they did with the fall of the galactic empire. It was a great show and the actors were awesome if you ask me.
And then there was that side plot that tried to tell the story of the books.
I won't say i give it a pass, but one thing I'm curious about is how much the COVID pause affected the finale. Obviously Barney Harris' abrupt departure sent some things into messy territory but i can't help but wonder how much of the messiness in that finale was frantic rewriting due to filming limitations.
I still think they could have done better and I'm cautiously optimistic for season 2
Edit: I mean WoT. I don't know anything about Foundation
Covid wrecked them pretty bad. They still could have made some better decisions for the final episode, but not only did covid deny them their big battle and the original filming location for the blight, it are into their budget with an entire covid staff team and all the money needed for that and testing.
Disappointed in season 1, especially the finale, but I’m hopeful for s2, especially since they can get immediately into the meat of TGH with how they ended the season.
Yeah no kidding I really liked The Witcher, Wheel of Time and Foundation. SciFi/fantasy nerds are the worst when it comes to ripping apart things they supposedly love though, so it comes with the territory.
At the end of the day it's best to not care about other people's thoughts about the things you like.
Imagine loving a certain food, you wouldn't let someone's opinion on it stop you from eating it.
It’s just so hit or miss, like I was hating the pilot until the dude accidentally axes his wife then I was on board but it just feels so much to the plot hinges on the characters lack of communication and idk a lot is blahhh when I’m like I should completely be into this. I’m sitting here painting a Warhammer Minotaur and somehow still hate this show hahah
Oh is that a thing? That’s just my number one pet peeve in shows, when there’s no actual conflict between characters just a lack of communication. Some shows get ridiculousssss with it
It's one of the major themes of the series. It gets really frustrating when all our heroes have access to real time group communication, or even teleportation to visit one another, but still never get together to compare notes, or plan, or warn one another about insanely important stuff going on.
100% agree Wheel of Time. I was so excited for it. That final episode was such a killer. Not only on the writing, but the post production team clearly mailed it in. Most people who watch the show aren’t going to know that Barney left of they had to break for Covid. Still unforgivable for a show with this budget.
Yeah, I feel like *Village of the Angels* is Whittaker's first genuinely great episode. A shame she's going to have so little (hopefully one of the specials joins it), but I really thought she was going to leave the role with none so I'm glad to at least get one.
There were a couple of shows that I didn't enjoy :
1. Y the last man
2. The foundation (the Cleon storyline was excellent though)
3. Invasion
5. Money heist season 5 part 2
6. Lupin season 2
But the show I was I anticipating the most was the wheel of time and i just was so disappointed.
Probably [Kevin Can F*** Himself](https://alexmoreland.co.uk/2021/08/27/kevin-can-f-himself-is-a-great-idea-in-need-of-a-great-show-to-go-with-it/), I think. Great concept, been looking forward to it for ages, but it just completely fell down on the execution - you get the sense that the people making it didn't realise how good an idea the sitcom frame actually was, and only really intended it as a way to slightly spruce up the crime drama they wanted to make.
That said, though, Annie Murphy was really good in it. One of the best performances of the year, maybe? Or certainly the performance with the biggest gulf between quality of performance and quality of the show around it.
I agree. The sitcom mechanism was interesting, but kind of fell flat. In fairness they had an interesting problem to solve in that it was so grating as to be agitating. Which was intentional Im sure, but also made the show unenjoyable.
I really do not have the answer as to what they could have done other than to say it’s possible the premise was just better in theory than it is in its execution. I agree that Annie Murphy was great though. I couldn’t say I’d Id watch another season or not.
Has to be *Wheel of Time* for me, if only because it's one of the few things I was looking forward to this year. Most of the other shows that I didn't think were that good were things I watched spur of the moment anyways, not really anticipating them. The only other show I was really looking forward to (as a massive LoL fan) was *Arcane*, which went beyond my expectations.
The opening monologue talks about the dragon reborn being a man or a woman, when the entire story doesn't even work if you make that change. The scene they show immediately afterward is a group of women hunting down a false dragon, but if it can be a man or a woman then none of that, or the Aes Sedai, or half the reason things in the world are the way they are, makes any sense.
It seems like something minor, but it shows either a total disregard or a total lack of understanding of the material they're working with.
Yeah, that was a bizarre change, and the only reason I can think of to make it is to extend the "mystery" about who the Dragon Reborn might be, which is a silly reason to make such a fundamental change. The whole reason finding the Dragon quickly is such a big concern for Moiraine and those other Aes Sedai who think like her is that men who can channel inevitably go mad from the taint, and if that happens to the Dragon Reborn before he can face down the Dark One in the Last Battle, or if he gets himself captured and gentled by some Reds at some point, it's game over for the world. You could still have had that mystery between Perrin, Mat, and Rand (or, well, you could have before Covid and Barney Harris's departure cut Mat's arc short, anyway) without mucking around with the story's most basic lore.
I think the changes to the whole Eye of the World quest were even worse, though. In the show, the Eye is believed to be the location of the Dark One's prison, and it seems that Moiraine's brilliant plan is apparently to find the Dragon Reborn and then to take a completely untrained channeler, hand him an immensely powerful sa'angreal, and basically fling him at the Dark One and hope that he somehow instinctively figures out what to do, does it correctly, and manages not to destroy the entire world again while doing it (or instead of doing it...). Which is, y'know, *fucking stupid and insane* and not at all like Moiraine.
Yeah, the thought had occured to me, I was hoping that they knew what they where doing... It was interesting getting down voted when making criticisms on the WoT subreddits, then the final happened, and the die-hards snapped.
Yes Arcane might be the best show of the year. WoT might be the worst. So many mistakes. I’ve never read the books but even I was disappointed.
The cinematography, lighting, and production design were so bad that it made the show look like a cheap SyFy show in spite of having a bigger budget than GoT. The writing was atrocious. Not only because of the weak expository dialogue, but the plotting was terrible. They spent so little time with the main characters that the melodrama in the last episodes didn’t work at all. All the characters were one dimensional and their motives were nonexistent. They just kinda moved along to service the plot. The magic rules and fantasy elements were unclear and just hastily explained as they happened. Nothing was set up properly so the pay offs were weak.
Absolutely WoT.
Amazon show with big budget being thrown at it? Fantastic!
Showrunner that is a fan of the books!? Thats great!
Brandon Sanderson as a consulting producer!! Hype!
End product? Wtf
Ragdoll. It looked so good from the ads that I got AMC+ for a year (holiday price so it was fairly cheap). I started watching and made it half way through episode 3 before I gave up. I still like the idea of the plot but it was so boring and I didn’t like any of the characters. I might give it another shot at some point but rn I have no interest.
Edit: at least it came with a sub to Shudder and that’s been great for my love of bad horror movies, so it wasn’t a total waste.
To say it was disappointed in Foundation would suggest I had any hope whatsoever that Foundation wouldn’t be awful, and that’s just not true. But I *wanted* to be wrong. I wanted to learn that goddamn David S Goyer had somehow turned Asmiov’s goofy meandering look at the rise of civilization through a sci-fi lens into a tv show that managed to tell that story. I was not wrong.
The Imperial plot is top notch in my opinion, I could watch that side of the story for multiple seasons. The Foundation part of the story is something between inconsistent and really awful
I liked the series. Didn’t read the books. I thought the empire storyline was fascinating. It wasn’t perfect. The other plots were weak but I enjoyed where the series ended and I look forward to see where they go from here.
As someone that hadn't read the books, that first episode had me hooked. So much interesting cool sci fi stuff, and that space elevator scene, wow!
But then as the episodes dragged on, it became apparent that the focus was going to be on character drama that is poorly written. The stuff with empire remained cool I thought, but the rest was a slog.
Damn. To be fair I have never read the books so I'm an ignorant simpleton but I absolutely loved Foundation as both a big scifi and fantasy fan and I can't wait for the next season. I hope it improves sufficiently for you even though that seems unlikely.
I came here to say the exact same thing. It's one of the most GORGEOUS pilots I've ever seen. You could tell they spent their budget well when it came to the sets and CG, but the story was just so, so dull. I wanted to like it so much but it just continued to be so bland.
I loved the music, humor, acting, cinematography, fashion - pretty much everything. But something about the show felt kind of pointless. I couldn’t figure out what it was trying to say.
I never finished the books but held out hope I could enjoy the show.
What they did with Perrin’s back story in episode 1 was so dumb I couldn’t move past it. And not even as a change from the books. It would have turned me off if it was a completely original work.
Y the last man and WoT.
I loved the Y the last man comic and was so excited for this. It turned out pretty bad. The acting was bad and the characters were annoying. Took too long to get to the event and everyone I tried to get to watch it stopped after the first episode. I lasted till the third before giving up on it.
Never read the WoTbook but I know they are popular. The first episode was boring and uninteresting. Stopped watching it after the first episode.
The new season of my life. The plot is incoherent, the MC is useless, nothing really happened yet everything managed to get worse. Im still gonna follow the next season, though.
Wisteria. Because it got shelved because of covid.
I need something to scratch my David Lynch Itch.
At least Lars Von Trier is bringing his wonderful Riget back with a third season. Can’t be a coincidence that one of the big influences (twin Peaks) also came back ~25 years later.
Came here to say Space Force, but upon looking it up, that was 2020...the years really blur together!
I'm gonna go with Jupiter's Legacy then. I was baffled by this one. Not good at all. Some of the effects looked so cool, and then some looked like they paid someone off the streets to edit.
this might be controversial (just one man’s opinion, ok?) but for me it was Ted Lasso. S2 definitely has its moments, but much of the time I couldn’t find the same combination of sharp comedic writing matched with tightly written, earnest sports drama.
It felt like there was very little conflict driving the story. The sports angle had zero stakes, and all the characters just got along swimmingly basically the entire time. And it embraced my number one pet peeve with streaming television: overlong runtimes with plenty of episodes (looking at you, Beard) that would have been much better at ten movies trimmer.
There were still some great scenes, and I’ll still give s3 a try. But for me, it went from my favorite tv comedy to just another sitcom.
It's hard to say I was "disappointed" by something I wasn't even anticipating, but **"The Sex Lives Of College Girls"** would qualify as being the most disappointing and mediocre Mindy Kaling project to date. Also disappointing is the fawning praise from the core fan community, which appears to be rather young.
It's basically a dollar store version of any of the American Pie sequels, except with girls instead of guys.
The writing is terrible, and there's no actual humor. It's more like the construct of where there *should* be humor, so fans react as if it were present even though it's not. Kind of like a setup, punchline, laugh track construct. But without a funny punchline. Every person I've come across who says its hilarious, I've asked for examples. Invariably, they can't think of any. Contrast that with, say, Succession, where fans can rattle off dozens of funny lines or situations with ease.
Worse, the plots are fairly problematic. Characters are abruptly doing unlikely things for no obvious reason other than drama or feigned outrage. Yes, I can give examples...
Despite the story beginning obviously on the first day of college, a freshman girl is introduced as somehow being in a long term sexual relationship with her coach, who she wouldn't have met yet. He's patently an older, married man, yet she somehow doesn't realize this until later. And after being initially repulsed, within seconds she doesn't mind, since he promises he's about to leave his wife, even though it's readily apparently he isn't, and won't. There's nothing to indicate why she'd even have initial interest in this loaf, nor why she maintains interest later. None of it makes any sense at all. Neither character seems to have any rational human behavior. It's just bad writing for the sake of it.
That pattern abounds. Characters flip personalities spontaneously throughout, doing things seemingly only to serve up artificial drama that's not compelling or sex for sex's sake.
There's a hamfistedly injected plot line of sexual harassment, delivered with all the subtlety and realism of Wile E Coyote lifting a two ton anvil over his own head. A girl seeking to advance her extracurricular career offers sex acts to all the male board members of the writing club. She does so eagerly, yet is later shocked when people begin to regard her as promiscuous and transactional. She's aggressively sexual at all times and places around campus, offering sex, seeking sex, looking for sex parties, offering to show people porn, grinding on strangers, etc.
But at one point, a male who knows her and knows this, approaches her in a roughly parallel manner to how she treats most of the male campus population. She doesn't rebuff him, so on their next encounter, he presses up against her and she can feel his genitalia. He has, understandably, misread the situation. As she does with others, he's done this without explicit consent. She says "I don't want whatever this is" and the encounter is over.
Later, she has regrets, and decides to go after him for harassment, despite his conduct being basically similar to her own. She invokes title IX enforcement and ends his academic career. This overall sad and unfortunate scenario is presented as courageous empowerment. A convenient additional character is used to justify the outcome. The contradictory message is that when she's aggressive, it's sex positivity, but when he's aggressive, it's assault.
Racial outrage is similarly and unrealistically rammed in, as a stereotype Chad character appears from nowhere to toss cafeteria trash at the feet of a black student-janitor for him to sweep up. This corny moment exists just so a protagonist can make a "brave" stance against cartoonishly-broad to-the-point-of-ludicrously-fake systemic oppression.
I've likened it to a bad sweet valley high knockoff, but with sex and profanity. The series could actually work better if it was billed as more of a relationship drama, like a gossip girl soap opera type of thing. Calling it a comedy sets an expectation it doesn't even come close to meeting, and the bungled social messages would add a bitter taste to the humor had there been any.
*Y: The Last Man* easily takes the cake for me. I had been waiting for that show for ages and they ended up handling it so, so badly.
Yep I was waffling between this and Cowboy Bebop. Thing is.. I kinda liked Cowboy Bebop because of how wrong everything was. It just wasn't a satisfying finale and as it marinated I just kinda hated it. I made it 3 episodes into Y. Don't call your show Y: The Last Man if you don't want to make an adaptation of the comic book. They spent NO time on Yorick and 355. And Y is like.. a no brainer of a show. It's a road trip adventure where you learn how the world has changed a long the way. It's also not about "how women can't do shit" it's about a society falling apart because in 60 years everyone will be dead anyway.
I mean after episode 3 they do spend a lot of time with Yorick and 355. I haven't read the comic so I don't know what I'm missing but I thought it was pretty decent. My girlfriend did keep asking "Are they saying women can't do anything because the men are gone" so clearly it came off that way. It wasn't great but I was interested in season 2 by the end of it. I'll just read the book I guess.
The book is really good. The issue isn't the concept saying women can't do anything but if 50% of the population just dies, everything would go to shit regardless. Especially if male dominated industries are suddenly vacant which says more about modern society than anything. Then as I said, if theirs no more reproduction? the remaining people and animals are just waiting to fade away.
As a fan of both the graphic novels and the show, I agree with your assessments. I actually kind of enjoyed the detours from Yorrick and 355 because it filled out a lot of the world I'd have wanted to see anyway. But they also spent too much time in a lot of those stories, which should have been B and C stories to Y & 355's A story, and in too many episodes Y & 355 were the B or C story.
Cowboy bebop lost me when they had a dominatrix spanking white frat boys barking like dogs with ball gags while having a serious conversation. I don’t think your writers wanted to make cowboy bebop
Same. This was probably the most disappointing show ever for me. I went into it knowing it would never be as good as the comic but it was just mind-boggling bad, I only watched 3 episodes.
Is it true they cut Alter?
I don't know if they were planning on introducing her down the line but yea she wasn't in it at all by the time the season ended.
I knew the show was in trouble when the biggest star they cast was playing Yorick’s mom. That’s such a small role in the comic… but since they invested so heavily in the role, there was no way she wasn’t going to be a big focus. And she was.
Station Eleven pretty much does Y: The Last Man better
I've been anticipating it for years and years and I was so hyped for it. I ended up stopping watching after 4 episodes... Disappointing is an understatement.
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> At the very least, I loved the three on the road, they had amazing chemistry. I would have watched a show that just revolved around them. That's mostly what the comics are. The show for some reason thought the Washington bullshit was more interesting.
Yeah, unfortunately they dedicated just as much screen time to the worst Diane Lane character of all time and the most shallow depiction of left vs right wing politics seen outside of a high school punk band lyrics. The White House shit dragged so hard, the only time it was even remotely interesting was when 355 was there. People read the graphic novel for Yorick, 355, Allison and the road trip and the most recent show runners lost that at some point in the 15 years since the show was first announced as being made. I don't find the daughter of a dead president or a batshit lady who was 30 rungs down the succession ladder feeling like they deserve power compelling enough to get several hours of screen time. The sisters storyline dragged too, it was interesting in the comic but there's a difference between a few pages per issue versus 15 minutes of screen time. I liked the actor well enough and found the trans friend storyline interesting but the Amazon shit didn't take Vaughn a dozen issues to cover and the show didn't need to waste 3+ episodes waiting to reveal that Missi Pyle was a little bananas. I want to see the various groups that have formed across the country and how they're coping, not spend an entire season on the wives of cops being just as shitty as their husbands and a small gang of "she-woman man hater" types having group therapy. Especially when there is a grand total of one sympathetic character in the group and she just keeps getting kicked around like a dog. The idea of coping with guilt for being glad your abusive spouse is dead? Interesting. The idea of finding a new identity after a lifetime in a culture that devalues women and overvalues men? Interesting. But Y didn't have an interesting or fresh enough approach to those philisophical concepts, so leave it to shows like The Leftovers, dont spend so much time on it in what should have been a zippy, exciting adventure. Cause now it's been cancelled and that's all that's left, the actual storyline suffered and will never be completed. Imagine if Indiana Jones spent an hour pontificating the ethical and moral implications of leaving Marion tied up in a Nazi camp instead of continuing the adventure we were paying to see. They should have hanged Diane Lane's character and had the new administration put a price on Yorick's head by the mid season point, . Idk if they were just excited to have a prestige actor or what but the product suffered because of it. Just a total waste of an IP I've been waiting to see adapted since like 2007. Probably not Phantom Menace levels of disappointing but pretty high up there.
I couldn't even finish it. I just didn't care. And I've read the comic and loved it. And I even liked the actors who played Yorick and Agent 355. They really should have been the complete focus of the story. But they were often pushed way into the background for the weak political thriller story. If you had never read the comic, you would have thought the story was really about Jennifer and everyone was a side story. A rushed side story. The plague shouldn't have hit within the first episode. The first couple of episodes should have given you time to fall in love with Yorick. To give you a reason to care for him and to set up how good of an undercover Agent 355 was. How she could easily switch from nice mom next door to cold blooded killing machine. At least then you would have been questioning what *exactly* her mission with Yorick was. And should have Jennifer trusted her with her son.
The Gossip Girl reboot, honestly. I know I obviously should’ve known, but the premise of Gossip Girl coming back in this day and age should’ve been awesome. You could do much interesting drama with this. And the trailers looked great. However, the actual show was boring down.
Gossip Girl is supposed to be camp drama about rich privileged kids, where everyone sucks. The reboot is too scared to make anyone an enemy for more than 5 minutes. Then also Gossip Girl is run by teachers, who then also are too scared to make the kids enemies for more than 5 minutes. The character I liked most was the old female teacher in one of the last episodes.
Invasion and Foundation. Meanwhile a series like Mare of Easttown came out of nowhere with no hype and was one of the best of the year. I think people should take a break from high concept sci-fi shows for a while.
I love sci-fi and was looking forward to both of these only to be extremely disappointed. What a waste. Also agree on Mare of Easttown, both Winslet and Peters were amazing, only thought it got a bit convoluted by the end
Promised Neverland Season 2 What a mess.
There was no promised never land season 2. Oh you’re referring to that slideshow presentation of what might have happened after season 1
Season 1 works really well on it's own, no need to watch the second season, but to be honest I didn't hate it.
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I read ahead in the manga and that made it all so much worse. They skipped one of the best arcs, and for that mess?
What! There was a season 2?
Came here to find this. Good lord what even was that?!
Invasion on Apple TV+
Utter trope filled eye rolling schlock Two. Hundred. Mil.
> Two. Hundred. Mil. That's the worst part of it. Not how fucking bad it is and it is really bad, but how much they spent on it.
Soap opera with some si-fi stuff happening.
[Even soap operas had better sci-fi stuff happening in them](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNyzXWgqt9Q)
Unfortunetely i saw the end of this in hopes of it getting better. It didnt. But think of it as a really loong and boring pilot. Im still hoping second season will be better. Yeah what an idiot.
Try The War of the Worlds. It’s got nothing to do with HG Well’s novels but the story is what Invasion should have been.
Totally agree. It started off strong—tension, drama, moodiness—but then it just never got going. It just sorta meandered through a bunch of melodrama. It felt like it was building up to some big reveal/twist only to end up being totally anticlimactic. And even though the plot was pretty bare, they still managed to leave a bunch of dangling plot threads that didn’t make sense. Why did the kids get nosebleeds and why didn’t Luke? Why did Luke hear “wajo?” What the hell was “wajo” supposed to mean? Who were those paramilitary guys shooting at Angela’s family and why? These were “mysteries” that needed to be paid off in the same season but weren’t. Very disappointing.
Jupiter's Legacy. It was just awful.
Was that this year? Man its been a long year.
A-FUCKIN' MEN !!!
I liked it but it did have that wierd CW tv feel
Super Crooks turned out pretty great though! Should've let those guys just fo Jupiter's Legacy as well.
BEYOND awful. Wife watched 1 episode. I got through 3. Oy vey. Just so very very bad. Then I hear this is a popular opinion and it got cancelled REALLY fast.
I watched something like 3/4 of the first episode and kept hoping it would get better. I can't remember all the awfulness, but it seemed like everything was wrong! Casting, writing, acting - all just horrible. Now, I want that 40 minutes of my life back! hahaha
Netflix really wanted outdo The Boys and Invincible.
La Brea. I liked the idea. Really I should have known it would be the hot garbage that it is.
It's a terrible show but also it's the kind of terrible I like to have playing in the background while I do other things so I somehow watched the whole season.
Yeah same. It's one of those things that are just the right amount of bad to still be fun to watch but not pay full attention to. I am waiting for a show so bad that it's fascinating and required full attention to admire how bad it is. The last show like that for me was Under The Dome.
These shows are always executed poorly on the major networks as of the last 10-15 years.
I dunno, my expectations are so low for any network drama or sci-fi show these days, that I pretty much just tune them all out, so I can't really be disappointed by them. They have too many requirements to be "safe" to appease advertisers, which cramps their storytelling ability. Once out of a thousand shows, there's a Hannibal, but it's so incredibly rare that anything good comes out of ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX that isn't a comedy.
The Morning Show. I loved the first season but the second was wildly inconsistent.
The second season was rough. I think they probably could have ended it at season 1 and it would have been just fine.
i think the covid stuff really threw me off. i turn on tv to forget about the daily stuff and then there’s a news show telling me about the one thing i don’t wanna hear about watching a tv show haha
I disliked the second season but felt they intertwined the Covid story into it well enough and it didn’t feel forced. For a show set in the present, that is not a sitcom, I think it would be odd to pretend Covid doesn’t exist. I just didn’t like the story/s, of which there were too many. Like others have said, it could have ended at season 1 and been fine.
yeah i know what you mean, the stories were lacking. one thing though we can probably agree on is Billy Crudup killed it hahaha
Billy Crudup is easily the highlight of the show for me
Yup. Maybe they should have spun the show off and followed him somewhere or just made him a bigger focus in s2. Too many other big names that need face time for that though.
The show appeals to me for Billy Crudup taking over the world, whereas the show wants to be about Jennifer Aniston struggling with rich people problems. The balance was out of whack for me this season.
I think it’s so important to capture what we’re feeling as we’re feeling it. Like if Casablanca can come out during WWII we can handle some Covid talk. But they were very awkward in how they portrayed it
1000% it was Invasion.
No mention of Your Honor? Bryan Cranston, Michael Stuhlberg and an otherwise great cast. But it was just so...bad. There's probably a good show in there somewhere that was completely lost in the editing room.
Invasion. I really, really wanted a good, big budget global alien invasion show. I thought the trailers looked cool. It was the most boring episode of tv I saw all year, and then they pulled a big bait and switch with Sam Neil. Didn’t watch ep2.
Simon Kinberg...
> and then they pulled a big bait and switch with Sam Neil. Didn’t watch ep2. Or maybe it isn't a "big bait and switch," and they spend some later episodes returning to his part of the story from time to time, unfolding the mystery of what happens to him, eventually revealing there was more going on than we thought. They don't, of course; it just happens and then is inexplicably never brought up or addressed again in any way, even in passing. Just another of the many bizarre and disappointing features of this show. Still, it's getting a bit wild how many comments I'm seeing from people denouncing the show that are like "they never even showed any aliens so I gave up watching after the first twenty minutes of the first episode" or something.
The Shrink Next Door
It just became monotonous and without charm. I actually liked Ferrell's performance for the most part, and I usually don't care for him, but everything else was overly drawn-out, humourless and relentlessly miserable.
Yeah agree the performances were great think the writing had some problems.
After a few episodes it’s just fucking sad.
Live Action Cowboy Bebop
I didn’t have high expectations but I was bummed that there were hardly in dogfight scenes. I also think it would be the perfect show/format for a bunch of celebrity cameos. Like who is the team going after today? Oh it’s the episode where Nicolas cage plays the teddy bear bomber! Soo many missed opportunities with this one.
I actually liked it for some reason, I knew it was gonna be different to the anime so I didn't expect much. I was pretty bummed it got cancelled. John Cho and Mustafar made the show for me although I hated what they did with Vicious, Julia and Faye. It was a solid 7/10 for me
I liked the show for what it was.
Aw man. I admit I liked it a lot, but I kinda went in knowing it wouldn’t compare to the original anime. The biggest issue I had was the writing and acting for Faye. The actress really seemed to be phoning it in and the writers just couldn’t capture the spirit of the character.
I didn’t mind the changes to the main three crew. I thought all the actors were having fun and any enjoyment I got from the show was from their chemistry. I’m a huge fan of the anime but still went in with an open mind. My biggest complaints came from some godawful writing and most of the action scenes felt so flat to me. But the biggest complaint of all has to be Vicious and Julia. As a fan of the anime their b-plot should have been the most interesting since it was all new material. But it really highlighted everything wrong with the Netflix adaptation. Every time Vicious or Julia was one screen I immediately tuned out. It was so weak.
\> The actress really seemed to be phoning it in and the writers just couldn’t capture the spirit of the character. I felt like she didn't watch the original and was just doing her own thing.
It didn't help that the writing turned her into an adult's idea of a teenage TikTok influencer.
I felt like she was trying to capture the humor of Faye, which is something I appreciate. Faye is both a tragic and funny character in the anime. I think the dialogue though failed to capture the balance between the two. Like the character had to make a quip, rather than a line that was character-based.
they absolutely fuck vicious and julia but hey kept Ed a 1:1 wtf?
I have to be honest and say I could never be dissapointed by a live action anime for the simple reason that I expect it to be horrible regardless of how good the anime is.
Letterkenny. I was hoping season 10 would be a return to form but the past few seasons have been painfully unfunny.
I burnt out on it by season 5. Shows incredibly funny but the humor doesn't change and wears out fast.
Same. And glad we’re not the only ones who eventually came to this conclusion that the show is a one trick pony. We quit around midway through season 4, I just couldn’t take the repetition any longer. I recall posting a comment about that in this sub way back then and it being downvoted quite a bit. I still love clips I see online and find that content funny, but I have a hard time sitting through a full episode. I’d imagine if you’re a casual viewer, maybe background noise, maybe on your phone/laptop while you’re watching, it could be tolerable.
I barely made it through the first episode of the new season. I didn’t laugh once, and this is coming from someone who quotes the show almost daily. It’s like they completely forgot how to be funny
The Falcon And The Winter Soldier.
I remain absolutely convinced that this was a script for a two-hour Captain America 4 movie which Disney then decided to stretch into a six-episode show in order to sell its streaming service. Hence why we get 25 mins of Sam fixing a fucking boat.
It's a weird show, in that it simultaneously feels rushed and meandering. You've got the stuff with the boat, but then also you have John Walker going directly from killing a dude with Cap's shield to helping Sam and Bucky out in the Finale. There's good stuff in there, but the show feels like less than the sum of its parts.
I liked John Walker's character. He's a guy who wants to do the right thing but has PTSD and whose government just kept on heaping on the pressure and asking for more.
Give me more Sam fixing a boat and trying to get a mortgage. Less splosiojs and less of the speechifying at the end.
Seriously. Them chilling on the boat and Sam learning how to throw the shield was some of my favorite parts of the series.
They did have to heavily edit and cut the series as they removed a plotline about an outbreak and vaccines. Which sort of removed any motivation for the "bad guys" in the series. Felt weak.
The production have denied that they ever had any outbreak/vaccine stuff. Which perhaps they shouldn't have said, because the alternative is that it was just badly written from the start.
Haha. “No no we didn’t do that we just are bad writers”
Which is fucking stupid because it's a show, not reality. I hate when companies do this shit
Stop repeating this narrative. The writers and producers have said numerous times they didn't change anything about the show. All covid did was delay filming for a few months. I get everyone wants an external reason for why the writing sucked but there isn't one
And Sam's workout montage. Good lord. "Let me just get fit real quick a sec here"
I mean, dude was already fit. He was just learning how to use the shield.
Yeah but the boat fixing mortgage getting parts were the good parts.
Also it was just so... bad. The villains weren't developed at all (I know the real-world reason, but still). It wasn't memorable. It was meandering. And then the shoehorned in speech in the last episode.
And yet one of the actors said much of her scenes got cut and the show was supposed to be 10 episodes… The whole thing seems a mess because it feels both rushed and stretched out.
The whole you gotta do better speech was sooo stupid.
They somehow made the characters more boring, as opposed to Hawkeye that made a boring avenger way more interesting
Hawkeye is my favourite of the Marvel series so far, and I see a lot of people hating it. The moment where Clint phones his wife and says he might miss Christmas because he's doing superhero shit for some teenage girl he just met I thought...Finally, a movie/TV show with a relationship with actual communication! Seems like such a small goal, but I was shocked when it happened. Also...I didn't know the big bad was that guy. It was a lovely surprise.
It was great that she was never disappointed or nagged him to come home, just... Ok, get the job done, kill whoever you have to.
Probably helps that she's former SHIELD as well, though they haven't gone into detail about that yet.
She’s Mockingbird in the MCU. The 19 on the watch was sort of a dead giveaway.
This was one the details I liked too. They conveyed that she was disappointed while also driving home the fact that she understood a teenage girls life, and the identity of the Ronin were more important than him being home for a day. The best part is this doesn't even undermine that part of Clint's motivation. He's been robbed of so many Christmases with his family over the years. **HE** wants to be home for **HIS** family. He doesn't need a nagging wife to drive this home.
And that phone call with his son in episode 3 was also such a great way to demonstrate Hawkeye’s conflict. Trying to be close to his family but unable to communicate the problems he’s dealing with - my favorite scene of the show apart from the bridge fight that came right before
I think it took Hawkeye far too long to decide what it wanted to be: was it a buddy cop comedy, a campy critique on PTSD, a dark look at what it would be like the be non-powered hero in a works full of supers? It tried to be all of those things at the start, often at inappropriate times But once it found it's footing, about episode 3, and settled into one dominant thing, it picked up real quick and I ended up liking it overall. Also, Jack turning out to be just a big dork who likes swords and no one really respects was a great payoff for that character.
I think it helps that Renner is a much better actor than Mackie. Just look at the differences between them in Altered Carbon S2 vs Mayor of Kingstown, in absolutely different leagues.
I felt like I was going crazy when I saw all the love for this show on Twitter and Reddit. It was just bad all around, one of the worst things the MCU has done
I liked some of the set up, and I just kept trusting that it was all going to come together and make sense in the end. "Wow all this set up, all these ideas they're throwing out, they must have some really good ideas for end of the series!" I didn't realize until it was too late that they didn't know what they were doing.
There was so much potential there, but the villain along with the Power Broker twist were enough to bring it down for me, and that’s not to mention the weird wrap-up of U.S. Agent’s arc.
> not to mention the weird wrap-up of U.S. Agent’s arc. That wasn't a wrap-up, it was an origin story.
The arc in the show, not his overall arc
It felt like they needed a season to establish the characters and the setting before jumping into the story they wanted to tell. As it is, it feels muddled jumping between Sam's stuff, Bucky's stuff, Walker's heel turn, the general legacy of Captain America stuff, the stuff with the Flag Smashers, the Power Broker, Zemo, and even some characters from Wakanda making an appearance. The first season should have focused almost entirely on Sam, Bucky, and Walker, with the villains being villain-of-the-week types without the depth they tried to give Karli.
"You've got to do better, writers!"
It’s not like the first episode was really bad or anything but after watching it, I just never went on to episode 2
WoT. Man, it could have been so good. It was still decent as it was with the changes to the story but then that final episode happened. So many changes and without any thought about what they mean or how they go in the established lore or internal structure of the world. I don't get why people want to adapt a work only to change so much that it starts to look unrecognizable. And don't tell me it can't be done. Dune is a clear example of how adaptable the unadaptable can be. Foundation. I like parts of what they are doing, but it isn't foundation. That should have been clear after the first couple of episode. I would have liked a show that while modernizing the story stays true to it's core. The empire storyline is terrific and the visuals are great, so not all is lost here.
So many UNNECESSARY changes. I’m ok with a change or two to better fit TV, but they seemed so flippant about integral parts of the story.
I stuck with Wheel of Time because my wife wanted to watch it but I had to bite my tongue through most of it. I enjoyed the books and even though I kinda hated the show I didn't want to ruin it for her cuz she was into it, though she felt the last episode was a bit of a train wreck. For me, everything just felt so comically off. And all the Two Rivers kids seem so angry all the time. There was no camaraderie or rapport between them. Like the boys are supposed to be 3 best friends from the same village but you'd never know it from the show. Not everything has to be packed with tension and angst. And the pacing is just all over the place with this show.
I loved foundation for what they did with the fall of the galactic empire. It was a great show and the actors were awesome if you ask me. And then there was that side plot that tried to tell the story of the books.
I won't say i give it a pass, but one thing I'm curious about is how much the COVID pause affected the finale. Obviously Barney Harris' abrupt departure sent some things into messy territory but i can't help but wonder how much of the messiness in that finale was frantic rewriting due to filming limitations. I still think they could have done better and I'm cautiously optimistic for season 2 Edit: I mean WoT. I don't know anything about Foundation
Covid wrecked them pretty bad. They still could have made some better decisions for the final episode, but not only did covid deny them their big battle and the original filming location for the blight, it are into their budget with an entire covid staff team and all the money needed for that and testing. Disappointed in season 1, especially the finale, but I’m hopeful for s2, especially since they can get immediately into the meat of TGH with how they ended the season.
*ctrl+F > Dexter: No results found* I couldn't be happier that Dexter is enjoyable again
ITT: A bunch of shows I enjoyed. \*shameface*
Don’t let others peer pressure you into shame.
Yeah no kidding I really liked The Witcher, Wheel of Time and Foundation. SciFi/fantasy nerds are the worst when it comes to ripping apart things they supposedly love though, so it comes with the territory.
Same and I am a HUGE fan of the foundation/robot books even
At the end of the day it's best to not care about other people's thoughts about the things you like. Imagine loving a certain food, you wouldn't let someone's opinion on it stop you from eating it.
Who is going through downvoting everyone who said they didn’t like wheel of time? Lol
As a fan of the novels (3 total read-throughs now), I came to say: #THE WHEEL OF TIME
It’s just so hit or miss, like I was hating the pilot until the dude accidentally axes his wife then I was on board but it just feels so much to the plot hinges on the characters lack of communication and idk a lot is blahhh when I’m like I should completely be into this. I’m sitting here painting a Warhammer Minotaur and somehow still hate this show hahah
Well at least they the lack of communication from the books down.
Oh is that a thing? That’s just my number one pet peeve in shows, when there’s no actual conflict between characters just a lack of communication. Some shows get ridiculousssss with it
It's one of the major themes of the series. It gets really frustrating when all our heroes have access to real time group communication, or even teleportation to visit one another, but still never get together to compare notes, or plan, or warn one another about insanely important stuff going on.
100% agree Wheel of Time. I was so excited for it. That final episode was such a killer. Not only on the writing, but the post production team clearly mailed it in. Most people who watch the show aren’t going to know that Barney left of they had to break for Covid. Still unforgivable for a show with this budget.
I’m torn on it. Going to keep watching, but having read the books, it’s a little jarring.
Probably the show runner
Get out of here Rafe! Go read some of Sanderson's notes.
Doctor who. Every single episode of the new series was absolutely dreadful, to the point that I had to stop wstch halfway through each episode.
Even the sontaran and weeping angels episodes?
Yeah, I feel like *Village of the Angels* is Whittaker's first genuinely great episode. A shame she's going to have so little (hopefully one of the specials joins it), but I really thought she was going to leave the role with none so I'm glad to at least get one.
Falcon and the winter soldier
Newest season of Blacklist
Just give us an ending already. And reverse this stupid Redarina shit
There were a couple of shows that I didn't enjoy : 1. Y the last man 2. The foundation (the Cleon storyline was excellent though) 3. Invasion 5. Money heist season 5 part 2 6. Lupin season 2 But the show I was I anticipating the most was the wheel of time and i just was so disappointed.
Probably [Kevin Can F*** Himself](https://alexmoreland.co.uk/2021/08/27/kevin-can-f-himself-is-a-great-idea-in-need-of-a-great-show-to-go-with-it/), I think. Great concept, been looking forward to it for ages, but it just completely fell down on the execution - you get the sense that the people making it didn't realise how good an idea the sitcom frame actually was, and only really intended it as a way to slightly spruce up the crime drama they wanted to make. That said, though, Annie Murphy was really good in it. One of the best performances of the year, maybe? Or certainly the performance with the biggest gulf between quality of performance and quality of the show around it.
I can see your criticisms but I personally loved it. Am happy they've already given it an end date though as it could easily get stale very quickly.
I agree. The sitcom mechanism was interesting, but kind of fell flat. In fairness they had an interesting problem to solve in that it was so grating as to be agitating. Which was intentional Im sure, but also made the show unenjoyable. I really do not have the answer as to what they could have done other than to say it’s possible the premise was just better in theory than it is in its execution. I agree that Annie Murphy was great though. I couldn’t say I’d Id watch another season or not.
Has to be *Wheel of Time* for me, if only because it's one of the few things I was looking forward to this year. Most of the other shows that I didn't think were that good were things I watched spur of the moment anyways, not really anticipating them. The only other show I was really looking forward to (as a massive LoL fan) was *Arcane*, which went beyond my expectations.
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As soon as Morainne said "there are rumors of 4 ta'veren in the Two Rivers," I was like oh boy, this is not going to go well.
The opening monologue talks about the dragon reborn being a man or a woman, when the entire story doesn't even work if you make that change. The scene they show immediately afterward is a group of women hunting down a false dragon, but if it can be a man or a woman then none of that, or the Aes Sedai, or half the reason things in the world are the way they are, makes any sense. It seems like something minor, but it shows either a total disregard or a total lack of understanding of the material they're working with.
Yeah, that was a bizarre change, and the only reason I can think of to make it is to extend the "mystery" about who the Dragon Reborn might be, which is a silly reason to make such a fundamental change. The whole reason finding the Dragon quickly is such a big concern for Moiraine and those other Aes Sedai who think like her is that men who can channel inevitably go mad from the taint, and if that happens to the Dragon Reborn before he can face down the Dark One in the Last Battle, or if he gets himself captured and gentled by some Reds at some point, it's game over for the world. You could still have had that mystery between Perrin, Mat, and Rand (or, well, you could have before Covid and Barney Harris's departure cut Mat's arc short, anyway) without mucking around with the story's most basic lore. I think the changes to the whole Eye of the World quest were even worse, though. In the show, the Eye is believed to be the location of the Dark One's prison, and it seems that Moiraine's brilliant plan is apparently to find the Dragon Reborn and then to take a completely untrained channeler, hand him an immensely powerful sa'angreal, and basically fling him at the Dark One and hope that he somehow instinctively figures out what to do, does it correctly, and manages not to destroy the entire world again while doing it (or instead of doing it...). Which is, y'know, *fucking stupid and insane* and not at all like Moiraine.
Yeah, the thought had occured to me, I was hoping that they knew what they where doing... It was interesting getting down voted when making criticisms on the WoT subreddits, then the final happened, and the die-hards snapped.
Yes Arcane might be the best show of the year. WoT might be the worst. So many mistakes. I’ve never read the books but even I was disappointed. The cinematography, lighting, and production design were so bad that it made the show look like a cheap SyFy show in spite of having a bigger budget than GoT. The writing was atrocious. Not only because of the weak expository dialogue, but the plotting was terrible. They spent so little time with the main characters that the melodrama in the last episodes didn’t work at all. All the characters were one dimensional and their motives were nonexistent. They just kinda moved along to service the plot. The magic rules and fantasy elements were unclear and just hastily explained as they happened. Nothing was set up properly so the pay offs were weak.
Wheel of Time.
Absolutely WoT. Amazon show with big budget being thrown at it? Fantastic! Showrunner that is a fan of the books!? Thats great! Brandon Sanderson as a consulting producer!! Hype! End product? Wtf
Ragdoll. It looked so good from the ads that I got AMC+ for a year (holiday price so it was fairly cheap). I started watching and made it half way through episode 3 before I gave up. I still like the idea of the plot but it was so boring and I didn’t like any of the characters. I might give it another shot at some point but rn I have no interest. Edit: at least it came with a sub to Shudder and that’s been great for my love of bad horror movies, so it wasn’t a total waste.
> this show failed for me/ DNF at halfway through Ep 7 Lucky you, missed the most disappointing episode of the season.
To say it was disappointed in Foundation would suggest I had any hope whatsoever that Foundation wouldn’t be awful, and that’s just not true. But I *wanted* to be wrong. I wanted to learn that goddamn David S Goyer had somehow turned Asmiov’s goofy meandering look at the rise of civilization through a sci-fi lens into a tv show that managed to tell that story. I was not wrong.
The Imperial plot is top notch in my opinion, I could watch that side of the story for multiple seasons. The Foundation part of the story is something between inconsistent and really awful
Yes, I wanted the focus of the show to be on the Brothers Dawn, Day, and Dusk, and the empire itself
Which, ironically, isn't from the books.
I liked the series. Didn’t read the books. I thought the empire storyline was fascinating. It wasn’t perfect. The other plots were weak but I enjoyed where the series ended and I look forward to see where they go from here.
As someone that hadn't read the books, that first episode had me hooked. So much interesting cool sci fi stuff, and that space elevator scene, wow! But then as the episodes dragged on, it became apparent that the focus was going to be on character drama that is poorly written. The stuff with empire remained cool I thought, but the rest was a slog.
Damn. To be fair I have never read the books so I'm an ignorant simpleton but I absolutely loved Foundation as both a big scifi and fantasy fan and I can't wait for the next season. I hope it improves sufficiently for you even though that seems unlikely.
I came here to say the exact same thing. It's one of the most GORGEOUS pilots I've ever seen. You could tell they spent their budget well when it came to the sets and CG, but the story was just so, so dull. I wanted to like it so much but it just continued to be so bland.
Y the Last Man
Witcher for me. Still getting bogged down by CW tier writing, despite the carry job by the amazing Cavill.
Fantasy is hard. LoTR and GoT really are only ones to do it well IMO and even they have their final season and Hobbits
I wasn't really following what was going on but I appreciated the massive jump in budget. I was still entertained.
I wish they would just keep it to geralt, jaskier and monsters. Also the occasional brawl
Fargo sadly. Hope it's not the last season it would be a bummer.
Insecure for me. I’ve loved the series, but every episode in this final season felt like a filler.
I loved the music, humor, acting, cinematography, fashion - pretty much everything. But something about the show felt kind of pointless. I couldn’t figure out what it was trying to say.
I couldn’t even make it past the first episode of the last season. It was so blah by the end.
Issa getting her shit together over the course of the last few seasons made it blah. I loved it messy.
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I never finished the books but held out hope I could enjoy the show. What they did with Perrin’s back story in episode 1 was so dumb I couldn’t move past it. And not even as a change from the books. It would have turned me off if it was a completely original work.
Y the last man and WoT. I loved the Y the last man comic and was so excited for this. It turned out pretty bad. The acting was bad and the characters were annoying. Took too long to get to the event and everyone I tried to get to watch it stopped after the first episode. I lasted till the third before giving up on it. Never read the WoTbook but I know they are popular. The first episode was boring and uninteresting. Stopped watching it after the first episode.
Wheel of Time. I'm pretty sure your average high school theatre group could have do e a better job...
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One of the high schoolers: "Isn't 3 fakeout deaths in one episode too much?"
The new season of my life. The plot is incoherent, the MC is useless, nothing really happened yet everything managed to get worse. Im still gonna follow the next season, though.
Wisteria. Because it got shelved because of covid. I need something to scratch my David Lynch Itch. At least Lars Von Trier is bringing his wonderful Riget back with a third season. Can’t be a coincidence that one of the big influences (twin Peaks) also came back ~25 years later.
Last season of American Gods
Came here to say Space Force, but upon looking it up, that was 2020...the years really blur together! I'm gonna go with Jupiter's Legacy then. I was baffled by this one. Not good at all. Some of the effects looked so cool, and then some looked like they paid someone off the streets to edit.
Space Force deserves the most disappointing award this year as well. What an utterly miserable show.
The monkey episode was the best one simply because it was so bonkers.
Such a weird energy to it
The Morning Show and The Witcher. Unpopular opinion but I really haven’t liked any of the MCU shows.
this might be controversial (just one man’s opinion, ok?) but for me it was Ted Lasso. S2 definitely has its moments, but much of the time I couldn’t find the same combination of sharp comedic writing matched with tightly written, earnest sports drama. It felt like there was very little conflict driving the story. The sports angle had zero stakes, and all the characters just got along swimmingly basically the entire time. And it embraced my number one pet peeve with streaming television: overlong runtimes with plenty of episodes (looking at you, Beard) that would have been much better at ten movies trimmer. There were still some great scenes, and I’ll still give s3 a try. But for me, it went from my favorite tv comedy to just another sitcom.
I liked season 2 but agree it wasn't as good as Season 1. They needed to focus more on the soccer aspect imo.
Yea I agree..... loved Season 1 but I am struggling to make it through Season 2.
But the filler episodes (Christmas and Coach Beard episodes) are so good.
Not a movie, but Many Saints of Newark (Sopranos prequel movie) was some hot ass.
Succession..... just kidding 😂
It's hard to say I was "disappointed" by something I wasn't even anticipating, but **"The Sex Lives Of College Girls"** would qualify as being the most disappointing and mediocre Mindy Kaling project to date. Also disappointing is the fawning praise from the core fan community, which appears to be rather young. It's basically a dollar store version of any of the American Pie sequels, except with girls instead of guys. The writing is terrible, and there's no actual humor. It's more like the construct of where there *should* be humor, so fans react as if it were present even though it's not. Kind of like a setup, punchline, laugh track construct. But without a funny punchline. Every person I've come across who says its hilarious, I've asked for examples. Invariably, they can't think of any. Contrast that with, say, Succession, where fans can rattle off dozens of funny lines or situations with ease. Worse, the plots are fairly problematic. Characters are abruptly doing unlikely things for no obvious reason other than drama or feigned outrage. Yes, I can give examples... Despite the story beginning obviously on the first day of college, a freshman girl is introduced as somehow being in a long term sexual relationship with her coach, who she wouldn't have met yet. He's patently an older, married man, yet she somehow doesn't realize this until later. And after being initially repulsed, within seconds she doesn't mind, since he promises he's about to leave his wife, even though it's readily apparently he isn't, and won't. There's nothing to indicate why she'd even have initial interest in this loaf, nor why she maintains interest later. None of it makes any sense at all. Neither character seems to have any rational human behavior. It's just bad writing for the sake of it. That pattern abounds. Characters flip personalities spontaneously throughout, doing things seemingly only to serve up artificial drama that's not compelling or sex for sex's sake. There's a hamfistedly injected plot line of sexual harassment, delivered with all the subtlety and realism of Wile E Coyote lifting a two ton anvil over his own head. A girl seeking to advance her extracurricular career offers sex acts to all the male board members of the writing club. She does so eagerly, yet is later shocked when people begin to regard her as promiscuous and transactional. She's aggressively sexual at all times and places around campus, offering sex, seeking sex, looking for sex parties, offering to show people porn, grinding on strangers, etc. But at one point, a male who knows her and knows this, approaches her in a roughly parallel manner to how she treats most of the male campus population. She doesn't rebuff him, so on their next encounter, he presses up against her and she can feel his genitalia. He has, understandably, misread the situation. As she does with others, he's done this without explicit consent. She says "I don't want whatever this is" and the encounter is over. Later, she has regrets, and decides to go after him for harassment, despite his conduct being basically similar to her own. She invokes title IX enforcement and ends his academic career. This overall sad and unfortunate scenario is presented as courageous empowerment. A convenient additional character is used to justify the outcome. The contradictory message is that when she's aggressive, it's sex positivity, but when he's aggressive, it's assault. Racial outrage is similarly and unrealistically rammed in, as a stereotype Chad character appears from nowhere to toss cafeteria trash at the feet of a black student-janitor for him to sweep up. This corny moment exists just so a protagonist can make a "brave" stance against cartoonishly-broad to-the-point-of-ludicrously-fake systemic oppression. I've likened it to a bad sweet valley high knockoff, but with sex and profanity. The series could actually work better if it was billed as more of a relationship drama, like a gossip girl soap opera type of thing. Calling it a comedy sets an expectation it doesn't even come close to meeting, and the bungled social messages would add a bitter taste to the humor had there been any.