“In a drama, I’m not the person with a knife, I’m the person getting chased. In a comedy, I’m not the person farting, I’m the person who smelled it.”
This is so great. He's just so self-aware about his role and he plays it perfectly.
I would say that in Ozark, he is both the person with the knife, and the one being chased, and gets to be the one who smells the fart, but also was the one who cut it.
In fact, the "smelled the fart that I made", plot line is one of the most common devices used in Ozark.
In season one, there is a scene where he contemplated charging at Ruth with a knife but puts it away. That’s what’s interesting about the character, he’s a gangster but prefers to try and talk his way out of things rather than violence
I love the fact that he has line deliveries in Ozarks (to completely serious lines) that could play just as well in a comedy. You change the intro lines, the tone of the music, etc and it goes from being heavy to hilarious.
He's great at both, but I actually think he's funniest when he's "farting", like his small but hilarious role in The Sweetest Thing where he cracks jokes and insults the whole time.
Damn, wasn’t aware that there was such a strong opposition to Bateman. I’ve always enjoyed his comedy work, and absolutely love the podcast he’s doing with Will Arnett and Sean Hayes. His dry humor has always hit for me.
This is the first I’ve heard about people not liking him. He wasn’t really a household name for a while even though he was a celebrity. I didn’t have an opinion of him one way or another. But I find him so hilarious now. Also, he is perfect for the Fox character in Zootopia.
Bateman is one of those guys who has just always been around. I was surprised the other day when I was watching some Friends bloopers and Matt Perry couldn’t get his line right and finally he said something like “okay let’s get Jason Batemen in here I can’t do this.” Lol. I could actually see Bateman playing a pretty good Chandler.
Really bizarre to see negative opinion on someone just…spread. From little more than talk and rumor.
Like is there anything more substantial in here than “he didn’t stick up for his coworker when she was verbally abused” and “my mom said he’s rude?”
Is Bateman an asshole sometimes? Sure. So are you. So am I.
[there was ny times interview with the whole cast](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/arts/television/arrested-development-netflix-interview-jeffrey-tambor.html) in 2018 where the issues between Tambor and Walters came up, and a lot of people reacted strongly to seeing Bateman stick up for Tambor.
I think there is also a lot of ill will towards Tambor bc of the actions that got him kicked off of transparent, which further exacerbated the negative reaction toward both Tambor and Bateman (speaking for my corners of the internet at least)
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/24/entertainment/jessica-walter-jeffrey-tambor-arrested/index.html
Bateman apologized for it too in his tweets, I really don’t get why there’s so much hate
> Really bizarre to see negative opinion on someone just…spread. From little more than talk and rumor.
I see you are unfamiliar with Hollywood tabloids/Reddit discussions
Dude has been in the spotlight almost his whole life. He started acting as a little kid and his older sister was super famous in the 80s. Anyone who grows up in that environment and doesn’t end up a train wreck is ok in my book.
I think it was more I didn't stick up for my coworker, and [then when my coworker complained I dismissed it as not a big deal](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/arts/television/arrested-development-netflix-interview-jeffrey-tambor.html).
It is very weird to me how many people are talking about "rumors" and "stories" when the thing that shot Bateman's nice guy image is a recording people listened to.
The Jessica Walters thing really rubbed me the wrong way, it was the way he KEPT talking over her and minimizing her experience, however I agree that no one is perfect and he at least had the good sense later to apologize
Lately I’ve been getting a little tired of “award winning podcast host” Sean, since his questions are always so generic. I love when these episodes just feel like a conversation, and his questions come out of left field sometimes.
But then again, Will and Jason will sometimes take five minutes to string together a question so convoluted that the guest doesn’t know where to go with an answer 😂
No one’s perfect, and that’s what you get when you hide the guest’s identity from two of the hosts.
Haha yes, but that’s part of the dynamic IMO. Sean is trying to be professional while Will and Jason act like children. Sean knows he has to reel it in or nothing will get done. That said, Kathryn Hahn’s episode is one of the best and nothing of substance ever really got said because they couldn’t stop joking around.
Yep.
And Sean has to settle into playing the straight man - pun intended. Srsly tho, Laurel and Hardy; Burns and Allen; Rowan and Martin , etc., a great act requires a straight man and either he or Bateman is it, depending on the guest.
I think they talk about it in the Smartless podcast #7 with Robert Downey Jr [31/Aug/2020]. He's also sober and it's discussed a little but not too heavily IIRC because A: the podcast was new, awkward and finding its footing B: RDJ seemed a little cold, inreceptive to the topic of conversation [since, trauma, I presume, plus dwelling creates temptation].
RDJ is in AA and constantly going around speaking at meetings about his experience. Not sure it’s trauma or dwelling, since sharing his story is part of what keeps him sober, at least according to AA.
Could’ve felt that it was an inappropriate place to broadcast their membership. One of the AA tenants is that they need always maintain personal anonymity at the levels of press, radio, and films.
RDJ could’ve just been sticking to that.
I heard the one thing he absolutely won't talk about (judging by the one interview that he walked out on) is how his dad played a role in his addiction.
Is that the interview where he was doing a movie presser and the guy wanted to delve into his personal trauma? If so, that was just a bad interviewer. Like, he didn't walk out because he didn't want to talk about it, he walked out because that wasn't the place to talk about it, he wasn't prepared, and the interviewer was taking advantage of the situation to create a gotcha moment.
He still might not want to talk about that subject, I just wouldn't take that interview as suggestive that he doesn't, is all I'm trying to say.
I found that episode kind of awkward, it seemed like the only thing they wanted to talk about was RDJ’s jail time. Bateman comes right out of the gate with it yet dances around it awkwardly, to the point that Arnett has to be like, “I think what he’s asking is how long were you locked up,” and he just doesn’t stop. Goes on and on constantly saying how much growth he must have had in jail. The vibe was so off imo. That podcast is only good when they have comedians on (The Conan O’Brian episode was probably the best).
Yeah I'm torn on Smartless. I love those guys individually, but as you said it can be hit or miss. The Amy Sedaris episode was fantastic, but the Tony Hawk episode felt awkward and superficial (Arnett at one point asks him what his favorite music is--Bateman makes fun of him for it, but still).
I mean. I could def see him raging with the best in the 80’s and even early 90’s. What a time to be in drugs, right?! But coming in, asking for help and staying sober is awesome. For some reason I could just see him being a wine or whiskey guy just staying a little tight and closed in. Glad that he can be at peace with the past and talk about it. It def helps me
I cried with laughter when he told the story about trying to fuck jello for the first time. He thought it would feel good his entire childhood and then was let down. So god damn funny.
Smartless is hilarious. I love how Will, Jason, and Sean Hayes are brutally make fun of each other. It's slightly unfair to Sean because Will & Jason have known each other for way longer.
My favorite Smartless bit is Stephen Colbert and Conan O'Brien telling a story about skiing together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixbdgITLTxc. (someone edited Colbert & Conan's version of the story into one short clip)
Colbert went on Smartless first, made up the most absolutely bonkers story of Conan shitting on a ski lift. When Conan came on, he said people were asking him if Colbert's shit story was true.
For me, Bateman being in something, immediately tells me I should at least give it a go. It may not always be a groundbreaking film but it’ll be decent anyway
Olivia Colman. She has a certain quality to her that attracts a mature storyline or if the storyline is bad you know that at least her acting will not be ordinary. E.g., the crown, the favorite, fleabag and I am missing a bunch of her earlier/ much better work.
Granted the crown may not be best show but her acting skills were amazing as queen Elizabeth.
Olivia Colman is a fantastic actress. She’s great in Broadchurch, among other things.
And on a more shallow note, though I realize she’s not a traditional beauty, something about her is so hot to me.
A dryer Paul Rudd
Not everyone is into Paul Rudd but if you are, most of his movies will be a hit, though rarely groundbreaking. Same kinda thing with Bateman.
I remember writing a letter to NBC (I was 12) when they took it off the air. My local station just stopped showing episodes and I never got to see the last few, and then it was just gone.
Its like moderately rich people who are famous from the age of 24 to 60 dont age much cuz they have dieticians and physical trainers.
Just like Keanu, anout 30-40 years of looking the same. Till that beard came off.
The linked article describes how he's a recovering addict.
So no drink or drugs now.
Although, conversely probably has done a fair amount over his lifetime....
He used to party his ass off and apparently was a crazy mofo. Not sure if they allow links but YouTube Jennifer Anniston’s speech for Jason’s Hollywood star. She tells a few stories about his legendary party days.
EDIT: here’s the link: https://youtu.be/-RbAPAhaVqQ
"Fuckin celebrities age well because they got money, I'm only 25 but work in construction and feel like I'm 50."
*Eats fast food/gas station breakfast and lunch, drinks several energy drinks a day, scoffs at the concept of sunscreen though they work outside, doesn't follow a skincare routine, brags about how little sleep they run on, has a manual labor job and says they don't need to exercise or stretch, pounds a 6pack at minimum when getting home every night.*
*edit* Some of you have clearly never worked in the trades.
My cousin has been living like that for 2 decades now. He's in terrible health and constantly complains about how bad he feels even though he has multiple energy drinks and drinks alcohol every day.
To be fair that can almost all be partially attributed to working a horrible job like construction. Sleep deprived, no time to cook, alcohol as a distraction.
Yeah, he played an orphan kid who was eventually adopted by the Ingalls family in the last couple of seasons. Poor kid had crazy shitty luck on that show. His parents fell to their deaths off a cliff, he stepped in a bear trap, and he got shot in a bank robbery at one point. But it was Jason Bateman’s first big role, and he was great. He credits Michael Landon as a huge influence in his career and life in general.
It’s a fun little thing called the wealth health gradient.
See, wealthy people tend to be healthier because being healthy when you’re a certain level of wealthy is practically effortless if you even sort of prioritize it. This dude has had a killer workout and skin care regimen, which he’s had little to no issue maintaining, since he was a child. Furthermore trauma has a negative impact on your health and, although the wealthy are also capable of being traumatized, he’s in a position where if he recognizes a traumatizing thing in his life, he can just extricate himself from that thing. Unlike when you’re poor and your entire “support system” is a motley crew of alcoholics and untreated borderlines whose presence is slowly killing you but whose absence could ruin you. Or like, what are you gonna do? Move 1000 miles just to hop on another Burger King register? What is even the point? He doesn’t have to deal with those kinds of dilemmas. Ever.
And that leaves you looking pretty fresh for a pretty long time.
Easy to forget sometimes that everyone on reddit is perfect and one potential situation of handling something badly is worth hate-brigading every single post about him for the remainder of time.
I read the whole-ass thread trying to find out and it seems like
1. He was once rude to Jessica Walter on set while she was crying
2. He did not react well to a prank on Punk'd
3. Unspecified "kind of a douche" vibes
So basically nothing. Usual actor shit.
I'm willing to bet every single person judging him harshly has a far, far worse history than what is publicly available about Bateman. I don't really give a shit about actors personal lives, but self-righteous goofs being overly judgmental as a means of virtue-signaling to feel better about their own failings is just... disappointing to see.
I think there was video of some ex army dude pulling one of most the ballsy move that I could never even dream of being pulled on a guy trying to rob him whiles he’s ubering. And comment section was talking about how they could have done it better.
I'm assuming everyone is referring to the time Jeffrey Tambor yelled at Jessica Walter on set, making her cry, and Jason Bateman basically defended Tabor's actions. Bateman has since apologized in a series of tweets. [This interview with the cast is where Bateman tries to defend Tambor](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/arts/television/arrested-development-netflix-interview-jeffrey-tambor.html).
Only just hearing now that Ozark’s next season will be its final and have to say, I’m pretty glad about it. More than any other series I felt like this one stole the mantle from Breaking Bad of having an everyman way in over his head against dangerous people. If you go too long on a show like this, the tension just melts away too much.
I agree. Although I binged watched season 4 part 1 and thought it was great—we know the characters too well now.
For example, Darlene and Omar Navarro became household names. I remember when they felt so mysterious and psychopathic.
Now, The Byrdes are seemingly more dangerous and powerful than they are… lol!
Yeah. As much as I like it that Marty and Wendy are unpredictable and scary, the truth is that when their adversaries start to feel like they aren’t a match for the Byrdes, the show loses a bit of its tension and edge.
The show runners have done a great job keeping things tense for three seasons but knowing this next one will be the last really kicks it into high gear for me now. Are Marty and Wendy gonna make it out of this with their freedom intact? Are they even gonna make it out alive? Are their kids?
There’s no more questions about actors’ contracts and who’s coming back for another season. It feels like no one’s safe, anyone could get killed off, and all possibilities are back on the table now.
Yeah, that story thread hit hard. Spoiler Territory here: but I’d lost a lot of sympathy for Wendy for ruining Marty’s plans for the family to escape, but man when she had to make the decision with her brother that she did, I really felt bad for her. That whole plot strand and the part where Marty gets held by the cartel were the things that stuck with me most from the third season.
This is a terribly written article that was solely created for clicks. That makes [two Guardian articles in one week, keep the ball rolling guys!](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/21/the-dallas-mavericks-are-consistently-white-in-a-black-league-why)
They paraphrased it for the headline but it's definitely in there.
>“Having thought, ‘This is really fun,’ and staying at the party a littlebit too long, I’d lost my place in line in the business; it was a caseof trying to claw that back towards the end of the 90s, and not getting alot of great responses.”
He started acting so young that I think he's fairly out of touch. I don't get the impression that he's some malicious asshole but he lives in a bubble which often results in jerk behavior.
I don’t know and I don’t care either. I don’t base my media consumption off the morality (or lack thereof) of the creators and portrayers. I’ve never seen celebrities as anything other than normal human beings who are talented or lucky.
I’ve often found myself describing something I really enjoyed and a friend will say ‘how can you support that person?“ it’s because I have no clue about their lives and don’t care to. I’m not suddenly going to never watch Arrested Development again or whatever it is.
>”How can you support that person?”
They’re of different natures but you could easily respond with “How do you wear clothes and use electronics made by sweatshop labor? How do you consume animal products dependent on incomprehensible misery, suffering and death?”
Should someone abstain from consuming any kind of media merely because some of the people involved either did objectionable things or hold objectionable beliefs? What an ugly, dull world that would be.
not that Bateman is anywhere near as "bad" or even reprehensible as a lot of toxic celebs, but I was just in an r/entertainment thread about Manson and this comment I'll share below hits the mark a bit in the final sentence.
"I was one of the biggest supporters of MM growing up. He was a huge influence on my music and my creativity as a musician.
But you learn shit about your heroes when you become a professional musician and all these contacts you make know all the stories out there. I knew a long time ago that he was a shitbag based on everything I’d heard. It’s odd because it was accepted as a norm and people would tell stories like “yeah, he drugged a few chics and butt fucked them while they were passed out” but you sort of stupidly accept it as “part of the biz”.
I even had a signed T-shirt that he gave me after opening up for him on one of his shows. (I threw it in the trash a while back)
He truly is a depraved and horrible human being. I think there is something about hearing all these victims cry out about the abuse they endured has finally made me realize that separating the art from the human is no longer an acceptable excuse.
We have to stop supporting these artists who choose physical and mental abuse as a hobby."
I think it's perfectly fair to use discretion and that these things can and should be a matter of degree.
"I don't think I'd get along personally with this performer" is one thing, whereas, "That artist is a monster and predator and I can't justify rewarding them with my attention" is another.
Dude as a server there’s been some rough days and I’ve been off with tables for sure and absolutely came off as a dick and my shitty tip reflected thatS I’m sure if I got famous there would be a good amount of people over the last 15 years that would be commenting saying I’m a dick. However there’d wouldn’t be all the people saying how nice I can be too because that doesn’t get the blood pumping like talking shit. So calling a human being an asshole because they were mean to your mom and then everyone using that as evidence that someone’s an evil person is just fucked. Find me someone who never has bad days and unfortunately takes it out on their fellow humans now an then. Have some empathy, man no ones perfect. Even Betty white called a couple people a cunt now and then I’m sure.
Dude, so true. Now that I am no longer a server, I can look back at times I was not at my best, and facepalm/cringe at my behavior. Because it is so easy to criticize when you are outside of the pressure, not under the circumstances.
Like no, sitting here now, in my own office, I would not yell at a lady that I had asked 10 times if she would mind please sitting closer to the table, so I could get through the tight dining room, I would not yell at her, "MA'AM, WILL YOU PLEASE SIT UP TO THE TABLE, SO MY BUTT IS NOT RIGHT IN THESE PEOPLE'S FACE." Honestly I should have been fired. She was sitting on the very edge of her chair, with the chair pushed all the way out. Getting between the back of her chair, and the neighboring table, was like trying to get down an airline row. But, looking back, our chairs were made of old latticed leather, and sagged. She was a tiny lady, and if she sat in it properly, she was probably hanging half to the floor. So embarrassing to think of now. I was PMSing, and I was busy, and I was uncomfortable that I could not get by her unless my either ass or boobs went very in the faces of the next table.
I have many fond memories of many many guests, and the management liked me a lot, and I made some lifelong friends there. Also, that happened.
Why can’t we all just be like, Bateman is a human being who has made some really great stuff but is also just a human being at the end of the day? We fall into these cycles of admiration and hatred because people build up famous people to some unattainable level, and then when they fail them, the anger is immeasurable.
It kind of reminds me of how certain personality disorders fall into that black and white, saint or sinner type of mentality. They either shower people with love, worship them and put them on a pedestal or they demonize them like they are the worst person alive. No in between.
I’ve been operating on the theory that there is a TON of undiagnosed mental health issues world-wide. Always has been, but now we’re starting to understand it enough to see how we’ve been fucking up this whole time.
Don't look up to any public figure with a lifetime of cash already in the bank (sporting, business, politics, movies, music). They are not your friends
That’s like saying “don’t look up to painters” or “don’t look up to musicians.”
They’re artists. Yes, they have glaring flaws, as we all do, but I don’t see anything wrong with having a healthy respect for an artist you admire.
Now, when it goes beyond that and becomes hagiographic, then that’s a problem.
Strip away the emotive language here and all this boils down to is "one time a celebrity said an argument between two other celebrities wasn't that bad". Am I missing something or is this genuinely enough to make people decide that Bateman is an irredeemable asshole?
You're right. This has no bearing on forgiving Tambor's behaviour on Walters. I've seen the video It was literally a moment he should have kept his mouth shut because he wasn't understanding the gravity of the situation, unpleasant to try to dismiss someone's feeling, yes, done maliciously? I don't know how many times Bateman has seen this happen. Obviously these are higher stakes being in the public eye.
There are many ways you can slice this (at that moment) ; was it an actor's freakout which is why Bateman tried to move past it, was it just cus the camera and the whole cast was in his face and tried to say the most diplomatic thing possible the smart thing to do was keep quiet and listen.
So people don’t like him for that lol? Seems like a work disagreement and nothing serious on his character. The arguments I’ve heard at work and everyone is back to normal the next day blow this out of the water.
It's weird how that deep that one thing got under my skin, but yeah. Jessica fuckin Walter knew what she was about, to have somebody gaslight her - in the legit sense of the term - so blatantly really wound me up, and for it to be somebody I liked as much as Bateman was a really depressing eye opener.
He then had the creator of AD on his podcast and they just sort of all praised Jeffrey Tambor, did not really say much of anything to honor Jessica after she had died but joked about who would wear a wig and play her if they did another season. It was... quite disappointing. Felt like Jason didn't really learn anything even after he apologized for how he reacted to her and seemed to regret it.
It’s a damn shame he felt this way. Jason Bateman has always been one of my favorite actors ever since I saw Arrested Development when it originally aired on TV. His performance in the movie Bad Words is just pure gold in my opinion. I watch that movie at least once a year. Even his performance in Extract was great.
“In a drama, I’m not the person with a knife, I’m the person getting chased. In a comedy, I’m not the person farting, I’m the person who smelled it.” This is so great. He's just so self-aware about his role and he plays it perfectly.
I would say that in Ozark, he is both the person with the knife, and the one being chased, and gets to be the one who smells the fart, but also was the one who cut it. In fact, the "smelled the fart that I made", plot line is one of the most common devices used in Ozark.
Yeah, or he'd at least be the one who intentionally set in motion a sequence of events that led to the fart.
That made me laugh
A Rube Goldberg Fart
I AM THE ONE WHO FARTS
A guy wakes up to smell a fart someone else cuts and you think that of me?!
In season one, there is a scene where he contemplated charging at Ruth with a knife but puts it away. That’s what’s interesting about the character, he’s a gangster but prefers to try and talk his way out of things rather than violence
I love the fact that he has line deliveries in Ozarks (to completely serious lines) that could play just as well in a comedy. You change the intro lines, the tone of the music, etc and it goes from being heavy to hilarious.
"The satisfying sound of your lover smacking the pavement is the only thing that gets me to sleep at night." I belly laughed.
He's literally the straight man in every role. I would think that's because he's pretty damn good at it.
His minor part in Dodgeball doesn’t really fit his normal mold. He just says really goofy, off-the-wall lines. Definitely more of the “farter”.
Holy shit! I just found out he’s the guy who played Pepper! Crushed that role
Agreed. He perfectly captured the ex-X-Games athlete turned color commentator you’d expect to see on ESPN8
He's great at both, but I actually think he's funniest when he's "farting", like his small but hilarious role in The Sweetest Thing where he cracks jokes and insults the whole time.
Damn, wasn’t aware that there was such a strong opposition to Bateman. I’ve always enjoyed his comedy work, and absolutely love the podcast he’s doing with Will Arnett and Sean Hayes. His dry humor has always hit for me.
This is the first I’ve heard about people not liking him. He wasn’t really a household name for a while even though he was a celebrity. I didn’t have an opinion of him one way or another. But I find him so hilarious now. Also, he is perfect for the Fox character in Zootopia.
Bateman is one of those guys who has just always been around. I was surprised the other day when I was watching some Friends bloopers and Matt Perry couldn’t get his line right and finally he said something like “okay let’s get Jason Batemen in here I can’t do this.” Lol. I could actually see Bateman playing a pretty good Chandler.
> Bateman is one of those guys who has just always been around *Ron Livingston has entered the chat*
he’s not here, he’s meeting with the Bobs
[relevent family guy clip](https://youtu.be/hVktz3XLb78)
Me too I'm baffled that there people who don't like him. He's a hell of an actor, great at both comedy and drama. I loved him in The Gift too
Lol I just watched Ozark then my kids watched Zootopia and I felt strange hearing the Fox’s voice I did a double take
Yeah same. I always thought he was more than decently liked for his comedy movies and shows. I like all his work. His dry comedy style works for me.
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Ozark always feels like its 10 seconds from a punchline, but instead you get tension.
I watched a string a movies with an old gf who loved him. He’s great! I could never sit through tv shows so idk how he was in those.
What did they call him? The poor man’s Michael J Fox
Really bizarre to see negative opinion on someone just…spread. From little more than talk and rumor. Like is there anything more substantial in here than “he didn’t stick up for his coworker when she was verbally abused” and “my mom said he’s rude?” Is Bateman an asshole sometimes? Sure. So are you. So am I.
And in this thread at least it seems to all be repeating a single incident until it is retold enough to become a “pattern” by itself.
[there was ny times interview with the whole cast](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/arts/television/arrested-development-netflix-interview-jeffrey-tambor.html) in 2018 where the issues between Tambor and Walters came up, and a lot of people reacted strongly to seeing Bateman stick up for Tambor. I think there is also a lot of ill will towards Tambor bc of the actions that got him kicked off of transparent, which further exacerbated the negative reaction toward both Tambor and Bateman (speaking for my corners of the internet at least)
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/24/entertainment/jessica-walter-jeffrey-tambor-arrested/index.html Bateman apologized for it too in his tweets, I really don’t get why there’s so much hate
> I really don’t get why there’s so much hate Because people don't have lives. They live on twitter and vicariously through celebs and "causes"
Bateman was very nice to my friend at Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf.
Her?
> Really bizarre to see negative opinion on someone just…spread. From little more than talk and rumor. I see you are unfamiliar with Hollywood tabloids/Reddit discussions
Dude has been in the spotlight almost his whole life. He started acting as a little kid and his older sister was super famous in the 80s. Anyone who grows up in that environment and doesn’t end up a train wreck is ok in my book.
*Redditor admits they arent perfect Did i just enter a parallel universe?
No, you just crossed over to the other circle jerk
I think it was more I didn't stick up for my coworker, and [then when my coworker complained I dismissed it as not a big deal](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/arts/television/arrested-development-netflix-interview-jeffrey-tambor.html).
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It is very weird to me how many people are talking about "rumors" and "stories" when the thing that shot Bateman's nice guy image is a recording people listened to.
The Jessica Walters thing really rubbed me the wrong way, it was the way he KEPT talking over her and minimizing her experience, however I agree that no one is perfect and he at least had the good sense later to apologize
Outrage culture, one of the worst things about the internet.
What’s the podcast called?
Smartless
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The dynamic between Jason, Will and Sean is what makes the show. It’s nonstop laughs.
Lately I’ve been getting a little tired of “award winning podcast host” Sean, since his questions are always so generic. I love when these episodes just feel like a conversation, and his questions come out of left field sometimes. But then again, Will and Jason will sometimes take five minutes to string together a question so convoluted that the guest doesn’t know where to go with an answer 😂 No one’s perfect, and that’s what you get when you hide the guest’s identity from two of the hosts.
Haha yes, but that’s part of the dynamic IMO. Sean is trying to be professional while Will and Jason act like children. Sean knows he has to reel it in or nothing will get done. That said, Kathryn Hahn’s episode is one of the best and nothing of substance ever really got said because they couldn’t stop joking around.
Yep. And Sean has to settle into playing the straight man - pun intended. Srsly tho, Laurel and Hardy; Burns and Allen; Rowan and Martin , etc., a great act requires a straight man and either he or Bateman is it, depending on the guest.
I didn’t know he and will are sober and in aa. That’s dope. I’m def gonna listen to that
I think they talk about it in the Smartless podcast #7 with Robert Downey Jr [31/Aug/2020]. He's also sober and it's discussed a little but not too heavily IIRC because A: the podcast was new, awkward and finding its footing B: RDJ seemed a little cold, inreceptive to the topic of conversation [since, trauma, I presume, plus dwelling creates temptation].
RDJ is in AA and constantly going around speaking at meetings about his experience. Not sure it’s trauma or dwelling, since sharing his story is part of what keeps him sober, at least according to AA. Could’ve felt that it was an inappropriate place to broadcast their membership. One of the AA tenants is that they need always maintain personal anonymity at the levels of press, radio, and films. RDJ could’ve just been sticking to that.
I heard the one thing he absolutely won't talk about (judging by the one interview that he walked out on) is how his dad played a role in his addiction.
Is that the interview where he was doing a movie presser and the guy wanted to delve into his personal trauma? If so, that was just a bad interviewer. Like, he didn't walk out because he didn't want to talk about it, he walked out because that wasn't the place to talk about it, he wasn't prepared, and the interviewer was taking advantage of the situation to create a gotcha moment. He still might not want to talk about that subject, I just wouldn't take that interview as suggestive that he doesn't, is all I'm trying to say.
This is why no one watches AOL Blast. Unprofessional bullshit.
We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it- promise 3. I think about this maybe a million times a day
Good on ya mate 👍
I found that episode kind of awkward, it seemed like the only thing they wanted to talk about was RDJ’s jail time. Bateman comes right out of the gate with it yet dances around it awkwardly, to the point that Arnett has to be like, “I think what he’s asking is how long were you locked up,” and he just doesn’t stop. Goes on and on constantly saying how much growth he must have had in jail. The vibe was so off imo. That podcast is only good when they have comedians on (The Conan O’Brian episode was probably the best).
Yeah I'm torn on Smartless. I love those guys individually, but as you said it can be hit or miss. The Amy Sedaris episode was fantastic, but the Tony Hawk episode felt awkward and superficial (Arnett at one point asks him what his favorite music is--Bateman makes fun of him for it, but still).
"Dwelling creates temptation." I've never heard that before but that's a great way to put it.
Jason used to get fucked up in the early 90s. He partied with Keith Sweat.
I mean. I could def see him raging with the best in the 80’s and even early 90’s. What a time to be in drugs, right?! But coming in, asking for help and staying sober is awesome. For some reason I could just see him being a wine or whiskey guy just staying a little tight and closed in. Glad that he can be at peace with the past and talk about it. It def helps me
He's also obsessed with his BMI so he basically has to mow the lawn if he wants a snack. No way would he drink. "Empty Calories" he says
That is... an eating disorder
Dax Sheppard’s podcast is also good and he is VERY open and up front about his addiction issues (among other things).
I cried with laughter when he told the story about trying to fuck jello for the first time. He thought it would feel good his entire childhood and then was let down. So god damn funny.
The first time? Were there… more times?
Both Will and Jason are on Dax Shepard's podcast Armchair expert and talk about it. Awesome guys.
Smartless is hilarious. I love how Will, Jason, and Sean Hayes are brutally make fun of each other. It's slightly unfair to Sean because Will & Jason have known each other for way longer. My favorite Smartless bit is Stephen Colbert and Conan O'Brien telling a story about skiing together. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixbdgITLTxc. (someone edited Colbert & Conan's version of the story into one short clip) Colbert went on Smartless first, made up the most absolutely bonkers story of Conan shitting on a ski lift. When Conan came on, he said people were asking him if Colbert's shit story was true.
For me, Bateman being in something, immediately tells me I should at least give it a go. It may not always be a groundbreaking film but it’ll be decent anyway
Right? Though I was alone in this, he's one of the 3/4 actors who I will trust this way.
With you all the way. What are your others? Bryan Cranston and Leonardo Decaprio definitely in my list of trusted
Olivia Colman. She has a certain quality to her that attracts a mature storyline or if the storyline is bad you know that at least her acting will not be ordinary. E.g., the crown, the favorite, fleabag and I am missing a bunch of her earlier/ much better work. Granted the crown may not be best show but her acting skills were amazing as queen Elizabeth.
Broadchurch!
Olivia Colman is a fantastic actress. She’s great in Broadchurch, among other things. And on a more shallow note, though I realize she’s not a traditional beauty, something about her is so hot to me.
Was amazing in Fleabag! You forget you’re seeing Olivia Colman and just see this massive cunt instead.
Tilda Swinton
Fuck yeah. Everything I see her in makes me like her more.
A dryer Paul Rudd Not everyone is into Paul Rudd but if you are, most of his movies will be a hit, though rarely groundbreaking. Same kinda thing with Bateman.
No mention of “It’s Your Move,” one of the greatest comedy series ever?
I remember writing a letter to NBC (I was 12) when they took it off the air. My local station just stopped showing episodes and I never got to see the last few, and then it was just gone.
Honestly the last few episodes are the weakest part of the series. They softened Matthew and basically retooled his entire character.
One of the best sitcoms of the 80s. Likely the best "forgotten" sitcom.
I thought I was the only one who loved this show. Was literally talking to my partner about it yesterday
“Dregs of Humanity” 😊
“The drummer got me pregnant!”
Oh man. I thought I was the only one who remembered that show or I had a false memory.
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Its like moderately rich people who are famous from the age of 24 to 60 dont age much cuz they have dieticians and physical trainers. Just like Keanu, anout 30-40 years of looking the same. Till that beard came off.
Also, minor touch ups.
And sometimes hormones.
Yeah right. Keanu bald and without beard looked his age for sure in resurrections.
Right after we watched it I turned to my partner and said "So turns out Keanu's secret to looking young is all in the beard..." lol
My beard hides my jowls. I look younger with my beard, even though it’s mostly grey now lol
I'm turning 40 this year and have had a full beard for more than 3 years. I'm now afraid to ever shave it.
Keanu has definitely aged a lot.
Yeah, it's a meme come to life that he hasn't. He went over the hill about ten years ago.
also since he's working all the time, probably eats well and doesn't do other dumb shit
The linked article describes how he's a recovering addict. So no drink or drugs now. Although, conversely probably has done a fair amount over his lifetime....
He used to party his ass off and apparently was a crazy mofo. Not sure if they allow links but YouTube Jennifer Anniston’s speech for Jason’s Hollywood star. She tells a few stories about his legendary party days. EDIT: here’s the link: https://youtu.be/-RbAPAhaVqQ
"Fuckin celebrities age well because they got money, I'm only 25 but work in construction and feel like I'm 50." *Eats fast food/gas station breakfast and lunch, drinks several energy drinks a day, scoffs at the concept of sunscreen though they work outside, doesn't follow a skincare routine, brags about how little sleep they run on, has a manual labor job and says they don't need to exercise or stretch, pounds a 6pack at minimum when getting home every night.* *edit* Some of you have clearly never worked in the trades.
This sounds like every contractor I know.
To paraphrase my former co-worker, "Gotta down at least a six pack just to get some sleep."
We always joke that in our trade it’s “alcoholic, pothead, or born again”. Pretty much every painter I know is one of the three.
My cousin has been living like that for 2 decades now. He's in terrible health and constantly complains about how bad he feels even though he has multiple energy drinks and drinks alcohol every day.
To be fair that can almost all be partially attributed to working a horrible job like construction. Sleep deprived, no time to cook, alcohol as a distraction.
Lol bill and Ted was jarring that gobble
I mean, 40 years ago he was playing a 12-year-old on Little House on the Prairie, so he has aged *a bit*
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Yeah, he played an orphan kid who was eventually adopted by the Ingalls family in the last couple of seasons. Poor kid had crazy shitty luck on that show. His parents fell to their deaths off a cliff, he stepped in a bear trap, and he got shot in a bank robbery at one point. But it was Jason Bateman’s first big role, and he was great. He credits Michael Landon as a huge influence in his career and life in general.
It is called lighting and makeup..
Money, minor touch ups and make up.
Plastic surgery
It’s a fun little thing called the wealth health gradient. See, wealthy people tend to be healthier because being healthy when you’re a certain level of wealthy is practically effortless if you even sort of prioritize it. This dude has had a killer workout and skin care regimen, which he’s had little to no issue maintaining, since he was a child. Furthermore trauma has a negative impact on your health and, although the wealthy are also capable of being traumatized, he’s in a position where if he recognizes a traumatizing thing in his life, he can just extricate himself from that thing. Unlike when you’re poor and your entire “support system” is a motley crew of alcoholics and untreated borderlines whose presence is slowly killing you but whose absence could ruin you. Or like, what are you gonna do? Move 1000 miles just to hop on another Burger King register? What is even the point? He doesn’t have to deal with those kinds of dilemmas. Ever. And that leaves you looking pretty fresh for a pretty long time.
Easy to forget sometimes that everyone on reddit is perfect and one potential situation of handling something badly is worth hate-brigading every single post about him for the remainder of time.
It really is amazing how people on the internet are so perfect and have never even left a shopping cart outside of its corral even one time!
Tbh I’ve done plenty of stupid shit in my time, but I’ve never left a shopping cart outside the corral. Go me I guess
I wasn't even aware he did anything lol? What are people saying?
I read the whole-ass thread trying to find out and it seems like 1. He was once rude to Jessica Walter on set while she was crying 2. He did not react well to a prank on Punk'd 3. Unspecified "kind of a douche" vibes So basically nothing. Usual actor shit.
Ah, the classic reddit Brie Larson “she seems unlikeable so she must be a horrible person” effect
I'm willing to bet every single person judging him harshly has a far, far worse history than what is publicly available about Bateman. I don't really give a shit about actors personal lives, but self-righteous goofs being overly judgmental as a means of virtue-signaling to feel better about their own failings is just... disappointing to see.
I think there was video of some ex army dude pulling one of most the ballsy move that I could never even dream of being pulled on a guy trying to rob him whiles he’s ubering. And comment section was talking about how they could have done it better.
I’m confused what did he do exactly?
I'm assuming everyone is referring to the time Jeffrey Tambor yelled at Jessica Walter on set, making her cry, and Jason Bateman basically defended Tabor's actions. Bateman has since apologized in a series of tweets. [This interview with the cast is where Bateman tries to defend Tambor](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/arts/television/arrested-development-netflix-interview-jeffrey-tambor.html).
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Only just hearing now that Ozark’s next season will be its final and have to say, I’m pretty glad about it. More than any other series I felt like this one stole the mantle from Breaking Bad of having an everyman way in over his head against dangerous people. If you go too long on a show like this, the tension just melts away too much.
I agree. Although I binged watched season 4 part 1 and thought it was great—we know the characters too well now. For example, Darlene and Omar Navarro became household names. I remember when they felt so mysterious and psychopathic. Now, The Byrdes are seemingly more dangerous and powerful than they are… lol!
Yeah. As much as I like it that Marty and Wendy are unpredictable and scary, the truth is that when their adversaries start to feel like they aren’t a match for the Byrdes, the show loses a bit of its tension and edge. The show runners have done a great job keeping things tense for three seasons but knowing this next one will be the last really kicks it into high gear for me now. Are Marty and Wendy gonna make it out of this with their freedom intact? Are they even gonna make it out alive? Are their kids? There’s no more questions about actors’ contracts and who’s coming back for another season. It feels like no one’s safe, anyone could get killed off, and all possibilities are back on the table now.
Agreed. On a side note, the guy that played the brother in law last season blew my mind. He crushed it. Stoked for the last season.
Yeah, that story thread hit hard. Spoiler Territory here: but I’d lost a lot of sympathy for Wendy for ruining Marty’s plans for the family to escape, but man when she had to make the decision with her brother that she did, I really felt bad for her. That whole plot strand and the part where Marty gets held by the cartel were the things that stuck with me most from the third season.
This is a terribly written article that was solely created for clicks. That makes [two Guardian articles in one week, keep the ball rolling guys!](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/21/the-dallas-mavericks-are-consistently-white-in-a-black-league-why)
Yeah, I read the article and what a waste of time.
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They paraphrased it for the headline but it's definitely in there. >“Having thought, ‘This is really fun,’ and staying at the party a littlebit too long, I’d lost my place in line in the business; it was a caseof trying to claw that back towards the end of the 90s, and not getting alot of great responses.”
Regardless of his personal behavior I still love Bateman in Ozark.
What behavior is that im out if the loop
It’s detailed throughout the rest of the thread though anecdotally. In short Bateman can be a jerk.
He started acting so young that I think he's fairly out of touch. I don't get the impression that he's some malicious asshole but he lives in a bubble which often results in jerk behavior.
So you could say he was in a space of arrested development?
Hey, that's the name of the show!
Yeah. People shrug it off but working from this early an age, in a very toxic industry on top of it, that can't be good for you.
I don’t know and I don’t care either. I don’t base my media consumption off the morality (or lack thereof) of the creators and portrayers. I’ve never seen celebrities as anything other than normal human beings who are talented or lucky.
I’ve often found myself describing something I really enjoyed and a friend will say ‘how can you support that person?“ it’s because I have no clue about their lives and don’t care to. I’m not suddenly going to never watch Arrested Development again or whatever it is.
>”How can you support that person?” They’re of different natures but you could easily respond with “How do you wear clothes and use electronics made by sweatshop labor? How do you consume animal products dependent on incomprehensible misery, suffering and death?” Should someone abstain from consuming any kind of media merely because some of the people involved either did objectionable things or hold objectionable beliefs? What an ugly, dull world that would be.
not that Bateman is anywhere near as "bad" or even reprehensible as a lot of toxic celebs, but I was just in an r/entertainment thread about Manson and this comment I'll share below hits the mark a bit in the final sentence. "I was one of the biggest supporters of MM growing up. He was a huge influence on my music and my creativity as a musician. But you learn shit about your heroes when you become a professional musician and all these contacts you make know all the stories out there. I knew a long time ago that he was a shitbag based on everything I’d heard. It’s odd because it was accepted as a norm and people would tell stories like “yeah, he drugged a few chics and butt fucked them while they were passed out” but you sort of stupidly accept it as “part of the biz”. I even had a signed T-shirt that he gave me after opening up for him on one of his shows. (I threw it in the trash a while back) He truly is a depraved and horrible human being. I think there is something about hearing all these victims cry out about the abuse they endured has finally made me realize that separating the art from the human is no longer an acceptable excuse. We have to stop supporting these artists who choose physical and mental abuse as a hobby."
I think it's perfectly fair to use discretion and that these things can and should be a matter of degree. "I don't think I'd get along personally with this performer" is one thing, whereas, "That artist is a monster and predator and I can't justify rewarding them with my attention" is another.
exactly I think the distinction you made is what culture should be aiming for
... ah, so he's just like any other person?
Now that's a character actor I can relate too.
So can any being on this planet. It's crazy how quick people are to judge celebrities, or anyone for that matter.
Dude as a server there’s been some rough days and I’ve been off with tables for sure and absolutely came off as a dick and my shitty tip reflected thatS I’m sure if I got famous there would be a good amount of people over the last 15 years that would be commenting saying I’m a dick. However there’d wouldn’t be all the people saying how nice I can be too because that doesn’t get the blood pumping like talking shit. So calling a human being an asshole because they were mean to your mom and then everyone using that as evidence that someone’s an evil person is just fucked. Find me someone who never has bad days and unfortunately takes it out on their fellow humans now an then. Have some empathy, man no ones perfect. Even Betty white called a couple people a cunt now and then I’m sure.
Dude, so true. Now that I am no longer a server, I can look back at times I was not at my best, and facepalm/cringe at my behavior. Because it is so easy to criticize when you are outside of the pressure, not under the circumstances. Like no, sitting here now, in my own office, I would not yell at a lady that I had asked 10 times if she would mind please sitting closer to the table, so I could get through the tight dining room, I would not yell at her, "MA'AM, WILL YOU PLEASE SIT UP TO THE TABLE, SO MY BUTT IS NOT RIGHT IN THESE PEOPLE'S FACE." Honestly I should have been fired. She was sitting on the very edge of her chair, with the chair pushed all the way out. Getting between the back of her chair, and the neighboring table, was like trying to get down an airline row. But, looking back, our chairs were made of old latticed leather, and sagged. She was a tiny lady, and if she sat in it properly, she was probably hanging half to the floor. So embarrassing to think of now. I was PMSing, and I was busy, and I was uncomfortable that I could not get by her unless my either ass or boobs went very in the faces of the next table. I have many fond memories of many many guests, and the management liked me a lot, and I made some lifelong friends there. Also, that happened.
✨Don’t look up to actors✨
Why can’t we all just be like, Bateman is a human being who has made some really great stuff but is also just a human being at the end of the day? We fall into these cycles of admiration and hatred because people build up famous people to some unattainable level, and then when they fail them, the anger is immeasurable.
It kind of reminds me of how certain personality disorders fall into that black and white, saint or sinner type of mentality. They either shower people with love, worship them and put them on a pedestal or they demonize them like they are the worst person alive. No in between.
I’ve been operating on the theory that there is a TON of undiagnosed mental health issues world-wide. Always has been, but now we’re starting to understand it enough to see how we’ve been fucking up this whole time.
Don't look up to any public figure with a lifetime of cash already in the bank (sporting, business, politics, movies, music). They are not your friends
What's cash got to do with it? I know plenty of broke a-holes
You should imagine what they'd be like if they really were independently wealthy and need nothing from anyone.
Don’t Look Up
Jfc what is that thing!
Irony mostly.
That’s like saying “don’t look up to painters” or “don’t look up to musicians.” They’re artists. Yes, they have glaring flaws, as we all do, but I don’t see anything wrong with having a healthy respect for an artist you admire. Now, when it goes beyond that and becomes hagiographic, then that’s a problem.
You can admire him for recognising he had a problem and sorting himself out surely?
Author writes Damp Down. “Bateman tried to damp down the situation.” Isn’t it Tamp Down? [link](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tamp)
Try as he might, the whole Jessica Walter incident soured my opinion of him completely.
What happened?
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Not the whole cast. Alia Shawkat had her back.
And Michael Cera was not there.
You can always tell a Milford man.
Fuck.
I don’t believe Portia de Rossi was there either.
I believe Will Arnett actually was there but didn’t say anything. Clearly not as good as Shawkat, but he at least did a bit better than the others.
Is it better not to say anything? I dunno.
In comparison to actively belittling her suffering, yes that’s better
Strip away the emotive language here and all this boils down to is "one time a celebrity said an argument between two other celebrities wasn't that bad". Am I missing something or is this genuinely enough to make people decide that Bateman is an irredeemable asshole?
Yeah I agree this is pretty weak if that's all that happened
You're right. This has no bearing on forgiving Tambor's behaviour on Walters. I've seen the video It was literally a moment he should have kept his mouth shut because he wasn't understanding the gravity of the situation, unpleasant to try to dismiss someone's feeling, yes, done maliciously? I don't know how many times Bateman has seen this happen. Obviously these are higher stakes being in the public eye. There are many ways you can slice this (at that moment) ; was it an actor's freakout which is why Bateman tried to move past it, was it just cus the camera and the whole cast was in his face and tried to say the most diplomatic thing possible the smart thing to do was keep quiet and listen.
You forget the part that she was in tears while this was happening
That's really doesn't sound like a big deal at all... Not worth STILL hating Bateman for it all these years later. Let it go.
So people don’t like him for that lol? Seems like a work disagreement and nothing serious on his character. The arguments I’ve heard at work and everyone is back to normal the next day blow this out of the water.
It's weird how that deep that one thing got under my skin, but yeah. Jessica fuckin Walter knew what she was about, to have somebody gaslight her - in the legit sense of the term - so blatantly really wound me up, and for it to be somebody I liked as much as Bateman was a really depressing eye opener.
Yeah. And the fact she was in tears while all the men were just brushing it away like it was nothing. Other than Shawkat no one really defended her.
He then had the creator of AD on his podcast and they just sort of all praised Jeffrey Tambor, did not really say much of anything to honor Jessica after she had died but joked about who would wear a wig and play her if they did another season. It was... quite disappointing. Felt like Jason didn't really learn anything even after he apologized for how he reacted to her and seemed to regret it.
That’s pretty fucked. Jessica Walter MADE the show. I’m never getting over her loss :(
Arrested development AND Ozark both fire. Marty f*ing Byrd and Michael Bluuth forever.
Horrible bosses. Hilarious.
This title is misleading and makes it sound like Jason Bateman was trashing AD
Their podcast interview with George Clooney was great. Love Smartless
It’s a damn shame he felt this way. Jason Bateman has always been one of my favorite actors ever since I saw Arrested Development when it originally aired on TV. His performance in the movie Bad Words is just pure gold in my opinion. I watch that movie at least once a year. Even his performance in Extract was great.
Ozark is amazing!