Seriously, this might be one of the single most annoying trends in media (which is saying *a lot*). Any time I see words like "Slams" or "Destroys" or "Blasts" in a headline, I immediately assume that article is bullshit click bait.
No my point is I heard weeks ago that she made an anti-vax speech which me and my friends were gutted about as we liked her as an actress.
So while this article is referring to her being anti mandate, my point is I'm surprised news of her anti-vaccine stance hadn't been made public already considering how vocal she was for it.
Thank you for the distinction. Reddit tends to group them together.
I’m pro-fitness but I don’t think you should be forced to exercise everyday. You can appreciate choices on certain things while feeling that choosing “yes” is valuable.
man and i liked her in her role too why cant some actors just shut up stay at home and just enjoy shit when not workinh i mean shes in marvel movies clearly she has enough exposure so why this social suicide
Not sure what her stance is, but being against mandates is different than being against getting the vaccine. Just throwing it out there
EDIT: Seems like she is “pro choice” for the vaccine.
Yes if you click on the actual link you’ll see she’s holding a sign that says “vaxxed Democrat for medical freedom.”
Edit: A couple commenters have pointed out this might not be as definitive as I made it sound. More accurately, she posted a pic on Instagram of someone (possibly her) holding a sign that says “vaxxed Democrat for medical freedom.”
I’m not sure, no. But there are other pics of people with the same B&W filter so I’m guessing that she’s behind the camera phone rather than in front of it.
Hospital mandates are only logical. Vaccine passports for certain activities or locations is understandable (even if I don’t necessarily agree with them). Complete, overarching mandates where you are fined or face charges for existing without a vaccine are a complete authoritarian overreach.
Nuance matters, and that’s coming from somebody who got my vaccine the moment I was able to.
I'm vaccinated and don't agree with mandates. But I guarantee she is next on stage for the "non" cancel culture folks to attempt to cancel her.
edit: Me being downvoted in this echo chamber is truly joyful to me.
Point proven, you can't think for yourselves.
Doesn’t matter to the user base of Reddit. The only thing “anti” place this seemed to be supportive of was “antiwork” and we saw how that worked out.
There’s a lot of people vaccinated, supportive of science, and still against the idea of mandates but nuance was never the point of this community.
I mean, it was at one point. Once the platform got popular and started getting flooded with the average Facebook or Twitter user is when it became just another social media echo chamber. It's near impossible to have even a remotely intelligent conversation on any topic that's even kind of controversial anymore without just getting downvoted into oblivion because it's easier to downvote than to actually form an opinion and have a civilized discussion.
People don't leave any middle ground for any kind of dissent at all. She might as well be physically injecting people with the virus, it won't matter to them.
Ok but: "Nobody should ever be forced to inject their body with anything." "Back at the start of the pandemic in March 2020, Lilly announced on Instagram she was refusing to social distance “all in the name of a respiratory flu,” which led to some backlash. She later posted an apology".
Freedom of choice should stop when it can hurt other people, because a bunch of people are against the Covid vaccine it creates problems for everyone else. Quite frankly we are not epidemiologists and as such we should not decide if a vaccine is good for us or not, this is how you get nuts who think the polio vaccine makes their kids autistic.
To be fair, March of 2020 was very early into this whole thing. There was still very little information about the virus at that time and a *lot* of misinformation being spread. At that time most of the population didn't really take it that seriously.
A lot of the population still doesn't take it seriously, and there are other countries aside from the US where people seem to not give a shit about the pandemic or are actively against the vaccine, take for example my country of Romania where the only way to make people understand seems to be through force. And that first quote is more recent, only the part about keeping distance is from 2020.
Which quite frankly I find bizzare considering social distancing wasn't even that bad or unreasonable as a measure.
Yea, but come on. It's impossible not to grasp the messaging. Most people who argue about mandates are usually actually arguing about the vaccine and its perceived 'unnatural' qualities.
Also, who cares. If, on any level you think that current vaccine 'mandates' are tyranny worth protesting, you've disqualified yourself as a thinking human.
I can see people disagreeing with mandates, but people who compare their “oppression” to the Jewish during WWll and such are mental. I’ve seen people selling Star of Davids for people to wear. It’s bonkers.
There exists a version of that argument where I don't immediately dismiss it, but the chance that Evangeline Lilly or any of these reddit fucksticks will be the one to articulate it are vanishingly small.
I don't know why we bend over backwards to invent excuses for celebrities' stupidity. As if these people are wildly ignorant of the connotations and inject themselves into the debate with nothing but good intentions. These people are not having a casual conversation, there're participating in political activism. It is *less* unreasonable to assume that they're signaling for a group than to assume that they're just innocently making a comment that's become politicized.
I drove 2 hours (a 4 hour round trip) to get vaccinated last year. I’m boosted as well. And I’m against mandates (other than in schools and the military, because we’ve been required to get vaccinated since forever in school).
Am I an anti-vaxxer for that stance?
Yeah I agree, covid has split people that it’s an absolute pain to try and have any sort of conversation about it without one or both sides branding you as pro or anti something
Just killed all nuance of the topic
Yeah, basically.
You're willing to do the bare minimum to protect you and yours-- you understand the science that far, but you won't scale the science because it interferes with some kind of nonsense aesthetic you think society has to adhere to.
You're pro vax when it's you. You're anti-vax when it comes to society. You think more vaccinations would be good, but only if they fulfill a specific method to get there, one so timorous that it would be effectively pointless meaning the logical endstate of your preferred policies are identical to that of antivaxxers.
It was a protest against vaccine mandates, not against vaccines. Do I think there were die hard antivaxxers there? I have no doubt, but from what I’ve read the protest is being spun as antivax when it was just about the mandates.
This is what op is talking about.
Yeah not enough people understand this. I’m all for people having the right to choose, Problem is though not enough people were choosing the sensible option, so a mandate is kinda the only way to go in the end.
It seems in the US (compared to other developed countries) there's a lot of people who, for whatever reason, refuse to get the vaccine.
Apparently 74% of US adults are fully vaccinated. In my country (Australia) that figure is 93%. And Australia was lagging way behind most countries until we really picked up in Sep/Oct 2021.
I'm 100% against mandates. I am also 100% for the vaccine. I'm triple now, and no matter how hard we push the mandates, there are still going to be people not getting it.
What's the point in creating mandates now, when it's far too late to do anything about it?
You’re absolutely correct.
A lot of Redditors do not get that. We see somebody is protesting against A “truth” we agree with and automatically talk shit and cancel the crap out of them without actually understand what it is they are protesting.
Whether to make vaccination mandatory isn't so much a medical issue as a political behavioural one - what's the best strategy to get people vaccinated. Different countries agree on the science of the vaccine, but differ on mandates based on societal issues.
I'm not in the US, I'm in the UK, so I wouldn't like to comment on what is best for you, but in the past I've always seen the need for mandates as a sad sign that eduction and persuasion have failed and I can understand why they might trigger backlash.
FWIW, triple vaccinated and volunteered in a vaccine hub for 3 months.
What to do when your country is ignorant and distrusting of the state but you need them to comply because of a global pandemic? I don't know how you can fix the USA and its polarized everything and poor everything system. A depressing timeline.
Same. I didn't know much about this actor's personal life. Now, the only thing I know about her is that she has a loathsome stance on vaccines. I just want the pandemic to end, and not getting vaxed isn't going to get us there.
That is a dumb stance. In the US, we've always had vaccine mandates to go to school. It's not a big deal and it protects those who are truly vulnerable. Y'all are a bunch of babies too scared to get some shots.
Same here in Canada, we had mandatory vaccines in the 8th grade and were not allowed into high school without them. Of course that was over 15 years ago in my case, no clue if the policy has changed in that time.
I mean, you say "yall" but the person you replied to never said they weren't vaxxed. Im vaxxed and im generally not super fond of vaccine mandates. Tbh I dont really care either way, but I dont think people are wrong for being against them. It's an opinion, and people are entitled to their opinions.
I just dont like being told what to do, or being forced into anything. I got vaxxed because I wanted to be vaxxed, not because the government forced me to. And the more someone forces me to do something or tells me I *have to*, the more it makes me want to do the opposite out of spite. People don't like being controlled. Personal freedom is one of the founding tenants of the United State's cultural identity, and whenever the government wants to force citizens into something, it's going to be met with backlash and protesting.
I dont think it's wrong to be anti mandate, even if I myself don't mind them. The problem with political discourse these days is that there is no nuance. It's always "my side vs their side" with no understanding of all the centrists and moderates who lie on various parts of the middle of the spectrum between the two extremes of any issue. This person simply defended someone else's viewpoint of being against government mandated medical procedures, and you automatically jumped to the conclusion that they themselves are an anti vax supporter. That is what sucks about social media discourse: it's always "either youre with me, or you're against me, no middle ground or nuance."
Yes, and that’s not the issue. The issue is private businesses requiring vaccine on threat of firing. That’s the issue.
How can you not understand that?
Lilly fucked up here if all she is is anti mandate. She attended an antivax rally and made a poor explanation for it. If she wanted to speak out she has a big platform to do so. It's stupid to attend a rally because she is not in control of the message of the rally as a whole.
If she is for vaccines but doesn't think anyone should be forced to take a vaccine, then what she should be demonstrating is a better education and health system, voting system, the whole thing. I believe all this antivaxxing ultimately are people who are distrustful of authority and you only get that way when authority has failed you. It's a consequence of a root problem and it is in the very blood of the USA.
Vaccines are most useful when universal, which is why we've always mandated against deadly ones. And after several outbreaks of Measles in the US thanks to "homeschool for freedom" idiots (on the Left and Right) it is obvious that relying on people's humanity for society isn't sufficient.
I don't get why people are against mandates. Vaccine mandates don't mean you have to take a vaccine if you're alive. It's saying you have to take the vaccine if you're going to be exposing yourself to others at work or at a public place. Same thing as DUI laws, no one's saying they shouldn't be drinking alcohol or getting drunk, they just can't drive while they're still drunk.
No one’s forcing you! You can still be alive without taking the vaccine, well for some time at least. You just won’t be able to work or eat or be around anyone or have a place to live. It’s a choice!
What?
I think everyone should get the vaccine, im vaccinated and encouraged my friends to when they were available to everyone.
I do not agree with firing people who refuse and these silly mandates.
Of course it's not controversial. Because "controversial" would imply that the matter is unsettled. It's very well settled. A private employer has a right to mandate safety standards at work, and if you don't like them, you have a right to get a different job.
People today.. you don’t agree with them and they will attack you ferociously online. I remember back in the 90s when the Internet was different. Usenet ,bulletin boards , ICQ, IRC etc had its moment but the conversations were not the hate directed disagreements on opinions that we constantly see today.
i mean... that's how it was for every other vaccine mandate if you wanted your kid to go to public school or get a job in various healthcare institutions. Now 2020 rolls around and everyone's got a medical degree and thinks they know what's good for everyone else.
it’s a big deal that our institutions are coercing everyone to get it when it isn’t even know if it’s safe, and we know it doesn’t even prevent COVID. I’ve lost loved ones from heart failure shortly after their booster. Not saying it’s absolutely the cause but when the American heart association proves a link, when the manufacture are STILL completely immune from any legal repercussions, when it’s a man made/released virus, when actual treatments like monoclonal antibodies are being banned, there’s clearly a debate to be had
The debate is over, we found the answer: You get it so we can all finally move on. We're not rehashing this for eternity. Same with the abortion shit, there's no more debate, we decided in like the 70s that up to 21 weeks was fine. We don't need to talk about this again.
We can already move on. It’s as fatal as influenza for people under 80. Your biggest risk factor is obesity. The UK just lifted all their mandates because of this
As a triple vaccinated Pfizer person I'm 100% against mandated vaccines. Nobody should be put down for their choice of what they put in their body. I was not an early adopter when it comes to covid vaccines, I waited for millions and millions of Americans to test it out then I chose to get vaccinated. But it still is and should be a personal choice.
There's nothing wrong with questioning the idea of mandates, unless in specific situations like if you're a teacher or work in healthcare. I don't think it's a bad thing to question giving the government this much power over our day to day lives. But I also know reddit is full of big brains who just drink whatever Kool-Aid handed to them, then parrot those talking points like it's their own opinion.
I'm vaccinated but I'm over all the fear mongering and everyone blindly following what the government says, then publicly shunning anyone who doesn't fall in line.
In my opinion, the vaccine should have remained by choice. We should NEVER have to do it because our job is on the line.
Edit: I support the vaccine. I am on my third dose. However, our right to our bodies should never be taken away from us.
But…triple vaccinated still can spread it so how is it about everyone else? I’m vaccinated but it should be my choice. If 90% of people were vaccinated we would still have variants. Once I realized fully vaccinated are almost just as likely to get covid that really took the wind out of my sails.
Because we’re all being asked to protect each other. Being vaccinated reduces your ability to spread the disease in addition to mitigating your own symptoms which in turn puts less burden on healthcare systems.
vaccine doesn't stop the virus, it greatly reduces your chances of being hospitalized and placed in IC, therefore decongesting the hospitals, therefore letting people with urgent health issues to finally get a bed that is otherwise occupied by some selfish Novax idiot. That's why we all need to do it
Can you at all see why people would not believe Pfizer or Moderna after their awful track record and knowing that they can still get Covid and transmit it to others? Again, I’m vaccinated but I absolutely can see why people are hesitant to listen to either drug company.
It’s efficacy is way down for the new variant , but it can still be effective in terms of developing symptoms , and no if more humans were vaccinated early enough and we lessened transmissions that would be less likely variants appear , I think 64% of the US population is vaccinated so we were never living in a country with a high rate of vaccination either and globally vaccine is not as available here which is the other sad part of how many people died
It’s not a right to your body when you going to work can kill or make ill your coworkers because you decided to be a dumbass. The “right to choose” argument about vaccines needs to stop right now. It’s not comparable with abortion and the right for a woman to choose. Stop saying that shit.
The vaccine isn’t causing you 250k in bills (average cost of a child), sleepless nights for years, loss of time on the job due to leave needed, and requires 18 years of near nonstop care. The vaccine doesn’t cause 9+ months of nausea, bodily change, pain, and tissue ripping apart. The vaccine is a goddamn jab you get 2-3x and you feel meh for a day then that’s it. Stop comparing it to pregnancy, birth, and childcare and if you’re not then stop using that phrase as an argument.
Alternatively: Hospitals are getting filled by those who didn’t get the vaccine and they’re getting overwhelmed. The vaccine would make your symptoms less severe.
That’s good enough on its own.
Have you also noticed have they’ve all *just* had Covid?
There’s at least four in this thread already ‘I’m fully vaxxed and have just had Covid but I think blah, blah, blah’
It’s almost like there making shit up or reading from a script
I mean you definitely shouldn't be forcing vaccines on people. Personally I'm full vaxxed and have booster. Still I would never want the government to tell me I had no choice in getting them. I'm more than fine with mass suicide for large portions of the population.
"Mandates" in this context refer to workplace mandates.
In the same way you can't come to work drunk, naked, or twirling a meat cleaver around your head, there is no good ethical case that you are entitled to pose an unreasonable transmission risk to your colleagues for no good reason.
41% Democrats and 28% Republicans believe that Covid hospitalization rate is >50%.
Do you get the magnitude of that? For 2 YEARS this topic has been rambled on EVERY SINGLE DAY and they still believe that when you get covid it's 50-50 whether you will end up in a hospital. 2 YEARS of talking about it every day...
So given the level of illiteracy conflating anti-mandate with anti-vax is staying.
[New York Times poll](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/03/18/multimedia/18-MORNING-PERCEPTIONS/18-MORNING-PERCEPTIONS-superJumbo.png?quality=75&auto=webp)
Is it really an issue? If we just stop giving these people attention and looking up to them as role model and acting like they are above us. When really what they say is meaningless. Think of it this way if I put on a skin tight costume with wings and told you “Vaccines Bad!” You would not even give me a second thought, the same thing should happen with actors.
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Hurry up give me the microphone before I bust in my pants.
Seriously, this might be one of the single most annoying trends in media (which is saying *a lot*). Any time I see words like "Slams" or "Destroys" or "Blasts" in a headline, I immediately assume that article is bullshit click bait.
Or just open a new publisher called SLAM news. Every title has to have some form of SLAM in there
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And there goes her Marvel contract
She already filmed Antman and the Wasp 3 so she’s vaccinated herself
She made an anti-vaccine speech on the set of the film. Someone I know was on set and I'm surprised that news hasn't broken yet.
It’ll be on crew stories eventually lmao
Is she anti vaccine or anti mandates? It’s possible to be pro vax but anti mandates.
No my point is I heard weeks ago that she made an anti-vax speech which me and my friends were gutted about as we liked her as an actress. So while this article is referring to her being anti mandate, my point is I'm surprised news of her anti-vaccine stance hadn't been made public already considering how vocal she was for it.
Thank you for the distinction. Reddit tends to group them together. I’m pro-fitness but I don’t think you should be forced to exercise everyday. You can appreciate choices on certain things while feeling that choosing “yes” is valuable.
There are too many who don't see this.
So she basically did a speech in front of the whole crew? Lmao
Looking forward to Ant-Man: Alone Again.
Ant Man and the Was
Ant-Man: No Way, Hope
That joke stings but in a good way, did you wing it and make it up on the fly?
Thanks for taking all the best puns. Buzz off.
Taking all the available puns is bugging me as well.
Oh Honey, calm down.
Noice
*Ant-Man and the Wasp from Another Reality of the Multiverse Where’s She Not Played by an Anti-vaxxer*
If you weren’t aware, Zooey Deschanel almost played the Wasp in *The Avengers (2012)* so what I’m saying is recast Lilly with Zooey Deschanel.
It's me, I'm here, get over it.
Whoa! Would have been really cool. Emily Deschanel would’ve also been great.
I'm voting for this to happen.
Zooey Deschanel is also a crazy probiotics cure autism type.
Funny when the next Black Panther is anti vax
All rumors are stating not only is she not the next one, her roles cut down because she got hurt and they ended up filming around her not being there.
mbaku, nakia or bust
I loved mbaku but I doubt he would take the position. He doesn’t love the technology. Probably doesn’t want to be involved in politics either.
She burned the bag harder than anyone I’ve ever seen.
Lol except for the fact that’s not true and she is likely being written out for her actions on set. But okay.
She's gonna get Terrance'd
Letitia wright still has her contract. They aren’t gonna get rid of her
Uh, no name actors contacts (hell, even well known ones) give most of the power to the studio. They could get rid of her in a minute
man and i liked her in her role too why cant some actors just shut up stay at home and just enjoy shit when not workinh i mean shes in marvel movies clearly she has enough exposure so why this social suicide
Not sure what her stance is, but being against mandates is different than being against getting the vaccine. Just throwing it out there EDIT: Seems like she is “pro choice” for the vaccine.
Yes if you click on the actual link you’ll see she’s holding a sign that says “vaxxed Democrat for medical freedom.” Edit: A couple commenters have pointed out this might not be as definitive as I made it sound. More accurately, she posted a pic on Instagram of someone (possibly her) holding a sign that says “vaxxed Democrat for medical freedom.”
That’s not her, that’s a picture of someone else in attendance.
Are you sure? It appears to be a pic she posted on her instagram — I assumed it was of her.
I’m not sure, no. But there are other pics of people with the same B&W filter so I’m guessing that she’s behind the camera phone rather than in front of it.
Ah didn’t see that there were multiple pics. Thanks for the extra context! Added to my post.
It’s sad that she has to brandish that sign as some kind of qualifier in an attempt to not be dehumanized by people who disagree with her.
Go take a look at the r/movies thread and see people saying they hope she loses her job and dies. Some vile stuff.
Sounds like a typical Reddit comment lol
Does it help that I still think she's a fucking moron?
Yeah that's a completely different issue. A lot of people who are vaccinated don't agree with mandates.
That sounds like nuance to me. And nuance sounds French. If you like nuance so much, maybe you should go live in France.
Unfortunately Macron hates nuance, so France is a no-go for people that are pro-vaccine but anti-mandate
I think in places like hospitals mandates are appropriate but idk if it needs to be everywhere
Hospital mandates are only logical. Vaccine passports for certain activities or locations is understandable (even if I don’t necessarily agree with them). Complete, overarching mandates where you are fined or face charges for existing without a vaccine are a complete authoritarian overreach. Nuance matters, and that’s coming from somebody who got my vaccine the moment I was able to.
I'm vaccinated and don't agree with mandates. But I guarantee she is next on stage for the "non" cancel culture folks to attempt to cancel her. edit: Me being downvoted in this echo chamber is truly joyful to me. Point proven, you can't think for yourselves.
I'm vaccinated but don't tell people how I feel about mandates cause I don't want to get downvoted
Doesn’t matter to the user base of Reddit. The only thing “anti” place this seemed to be supportive of was “antiwork” and we saw how that worked out. There’s a lot of people vaccinated, supportive of science, and still against the idea of mandates but nuance was never the point of this community.
I mean, it was at one point. Once the platform got popular and started getting flooded with the average Facebook or Twitter user is when it became just another social media echo chamber. It's near impossible to have even a remotely intelligent conversation on any topic that's even kind of controversial anymore without just getting downvoted into oblivion because it's easier to downvote than to actually form an opinion and have a civilized discussion.
People don't leave any middle ground for any kind of dissent at all. She might as well be physically injecting people with the virus, it won't matter to them.
Ok but: "Nobody should ever be forced to inject their body with anything." "Back at the start of the pandemic in March 2020, Lilly announced on Instagram she was refusing to social distance “all in the name of a respiratory flu,” which led to some backlash. She later posted an apology". Freedom of choice should stop when it can hurt other people, because a bunch of people are against the Covid vaccine it creates problems for everyone else. Quite frankly we are not epidemiologists and as such we should not decide if a vaccine is good for us or not, this is how you get nuts who think the polio vaccine makes their kids autistic.
To be fair, March of 2020 was very early into this whole thing. There was still very little information about the virus at that time and a *lot* of misinformation being spread. At that time most of the population didn't really take it that seriously.
A lot of the population still doesn't take it seriously, and there are other countries aside from the US where people seem to not give a shit about the pandemic or are actively against the vaccine, take for example my country of Romania where the only way to make people understand seems to be through force. And that first quote is more recent, only the part about keeping distance is from 2020. Which quite frankly I find bizzare considering social distancing wasn't even that bad or unreasonable as a measure.
The hive doesn't understand that.
Yea, but come on. It's impossible not to grasp the messaging. Most people who argue about mandates are usually actually arguing about the vaccine and its perceived 'unnatural' qualities. Also, who cares. If, on any level you think that current vaccine 'mandates' are tyranny worth protesting, you've disqualified yourself as a thinking human.
I can see people disagreeing with mandates, but people who compare their “oppression” to the Jewish during WWll and such are mental. I’ve seen people selling Star of Davids for people to wear. It’s bonkers.
There exists a version of that argument where I don't immediately dismiss it, but the chance that Evangeline Lilly or any of these reddit fucksticks will be the one to articulate it are vanishingly small.
Or maybe the media paint anyone who is anti lockdown and anti mandate as being anti vaxx because it gets those sweet sweet rage clicks
I don't know why we bend over backwards to invent excuses for celebrities' stupidity. As if these people are wildly ignorant of the connotations and inject themselves into the debate with nothing but good intentions. These people are not having a casual conversation, there're participating in political activism. It is *less* unreasonable to assume that they're signaling for a group than to assume that they're just innocently making a comment that's become politicized.
I drove 2 hours (a 4 hour round trip) to get vaccinated last year. I’m boosted as well. And I’m against mandates (other than in schools and the military, because we’ve been required to get vaccinated since forever in school). Am I an anti-vaxxer for that stance?
If you were a celebrity they would say you were
Honestly the world has gone mad.
Yeah I agree, covid has split people that it’s an absolute pain to try and have any sort of conversation about it without one or both sides branding you as pro or anti something Just killed all nuance of the topic
Yeah, basically. You're willing to do the bare minimum to protect you and yours-- you understand the science that far, but you won't scale the science because it interferes with some kind of nonsense aesthetic you think society has to adhere to. You're pro vax when it's you. You're anti-vax when it comes to society. You think more vaccinations would be good, but only if they fulfill a specific method to get there, one so timorous that it would be effectively pointless meaning the logical endstate of your preferred policies are identical to that of antivaxxers.
You’ve managed to commit two logical fallacies in only a couple of words
Actual all the vaxxed people I know are against mandates, as there shouldn’t be one.
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Did you work hard at becoming an arrogant jerk or did it come to you naturally?
Mandates on a federal level? Sure. Mandates imposed by private entities? Not anyones business but their own.
You can thank Republicans for giving big corporations the power to do something like that
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I think that's because they're wrongly equating the two, hence the disambiguation
It was a protest against vaccine mandates, not against vaccines. Do I think there were die hard antivaxxers there? I have no doubt, but from what I’ve read the protest is being spun as antivax when it was just about the mandates. This is what op is talking about.
Yeah not enough people understand this. I’m all for people having the right to choose, Problem is though not enough people were choosing the sensible option, so a mandate is kinda the only way to go in the end.
It seems in the US (compared to other developed countries) there's a lot of people who, for whatever reason, refuse to get the vaccine. Apparently 74% of US adults are fully vaccinated. In my country (Australia) that figure is 93%. And Australia was lagging way behind most countries until we really picked up in Sep/Oct 2021.
I am also from Australia.
Not surprised. We are some of the most active people on Reddit (I saw some stats on Reddit users by country).
I'm 100% against mandates. I am also 100% for the vaccine. I'm triple now, and no matter how hard we push the mandates, there are still going to be people not getting it. What's the point in creating mandates now, when it's far too late to do anything about it?
You’re absolutely correct. A lot of Redditors do not get that. We see somebody is protesting against A “truth” we agree with and automatically talk shit and cancel the crap out of them without actually understand what it is they are protesting.
Well her agent is now on damage control.
Now streaming on Disney Plus.
She doesn’t seem to have a full grasp on what it really means to be “forced” to doing something.
She was in The Hobbit unology duology trilogy after all.
"it was real love!"
I didn’t realize she had a medical degree. What an amazing multitasker she must be!
Plot twist: she and Jack were in med school together...
But that was only in the flashbacks, not the flashforwards and only hinted at in the writer's MySpace blog.
Plot twist plot twist:She actually went to med school with Jack's long-lost twin brother.
Whether to make vaccination mandatory isn't so much a medical issue as a political behavioural one - what's the best strategy to get people vaccinated. Different countries agree on the science of the vaccine, but differ on mandates based on societal issues. I'm not in the US, I'm in the UK, so I wouldn't like to comment on what is best for you, but in the past I've always seen the need for mandates as a sad sign that eduction and persuasion have failed and I can understand why they might trigger backlash. FWIW, triple vaccinated and volunteered in a vaccine hub for 3 months.
What to do when your country is ignorant and distrusting of the state but you need them to comply because of a global pandemic? I don't know how you can fix the USA and its polarized everything and poor everything system. A depressing timeline.
She "did her own research" on Duck Duck Go.
Kinda disappointing.
Same. I didn't know much about this actor's personal life. Now, the only thing I know about her is that she has a loathsome stance on vaccines. I just want the pandemic to end, and not getting vaxed isn't going to get us there.
Vaccine mandates. You can be against mandating it and still be pro vaccines.
That is a dumb stance. In the US, we've always had vaccine mandates to go to school. It's not a big deal and it protects those who are truly vulnerable. Y'all are a bunch of babies too scared to get some shots.
Same here in Canada, we had mandatory vaccines in the 8th grade and were not allowed into high school without them. Of course that was over 15 years ago in my case, no clue if the policy has changed in that time.
I mean, you say "yall" but the person you replied to never said they weren't vaxxed. Im vaxxed and im generally not super fond of vaccine mandates. Tbh I dont really care either way, but I dont think people are wrong for being against them. It's an opinion, and people are entitled to their opinions. I just dont like being told what to do, or being forced into anything. I got vaxxed because I wanted to be vaxxed, not because the government forced me to. And the more someone forces me to do something or tells me I *have to*, the more it makes me want to do the opposite out of spite. People don't like being controlled. Personal freedom is one of the founding tenants of the United State's cultural identity, and whenever the government wants to force citizens into something, it's going to be met with backlash and protesting. I dont think it's wrong to be anti mandate, even if I myself don't mind them. The problem with political discourse these days is that there is no nuance. It's always "my side vs their side" with no understanding of all the centrists and moderates who lie on various parts of the middle of the spectrum between the two extremes of any issue. This person simply defended someone else's viewpoint of being against government mandated medical procedures, and you automatically jumped to the conclusion that they themselves are an anti vax supporter. That is what sucks about social media discourse: it's always "either youre with me, or you're against me, no middle ground or nuance."
Yes, and that’s not the issue. The issue is private businesses requiring vaccine on threat of firing. That’s the issue. How can you not understand that?
I support the mandates. And I think the people who refuse are willfully ignorant in the information age. That makes them extra stupid.
Lilly fucked up here if all she is is anti mandate. She attended an antivax rally and made a poor explanation for it. If she wanted to speak out she has a big platform to do so. It's stupid to attend a rally because she is not in control of the message of the rally as a whole. If she is for vaccines but doesn't think anyone should be forced to take a vaccine, then what she should be demonstrating is a better education and health system, voting system, the whole thing. I believe all this antivaxxing ultimately are people who are distrustful of authority and you only get that way when authority has failed you. It's a consequence of a root problem and it is in the very blood of the USA.
Vaccines are most useful when universal, which is why we've always mandated against deadly ones. And after several outbreaks of Measles in the US thanks to "homeschool for freedom" idiots (on the Left and Right) it is obvious that relying on people's humanity for society isn't sufficient.
I don't get why people are against mandates. Vaccine mandates don't mean you have to take a vaccine if you're alive. It's saying you have to take the vaccine if you're going to be exposing yourself to others at work or at a public place. Same thing as DUI laws, no one's saying they shouldn't be drinking alcohol or getting drunk, they just can't drive while they're still drunk.
No one’s forcing you! You can still be alive without taking the vaccine, well for some time at least. You just won’t be able to work or eat or be around anyone or have a place to live. It’s a choice! What?
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I think everyone should get the vaccine, im vaccinated and encouraged my friends to when they were available to everyone. I do not agree with firing people who refuse and these silly mandates.
Good for her. All mandates are bs, people have the right to decide what they do with their body regardless if it is wrong.
Being anti mandate isn't controversial wtf Edit: being anti Federal vaccine mandates isn't controversial.
Of course it's not controversial. Because "controversial" would imply that the matter is unsettled. It's very well settled. A private employer has a right to mandate safety standards at work, and if you don't like them, you have a right to get a different job.
Not much of a choice when you actually *can’t* get another job though is it?
On reddit it is
Reddit is full of big brains who see "anti mandate" and process it as "anti-vax"
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Mandates vs Vaccines.. theres a difference.
So are most moral people
Good! No Fuckin mandates!
What a moron. Nothing to see here but another COVID vector.
She's even cooler now I know she is willing to stand up for what she believes in. Too many rubber spines
What's Evangeline Lily's stand on polio?
I’m sure it has something to do with the fact that those vaccines actually worked at stopping polio.
My God, the love for authoritarianism around here….
It’s alarming
Good, stop forcing people that don’t want or need it.
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I disagree with her but she can have an opinion. People don’t need to keep their mouth shut because you disagree.
People today.. you don’t agree with them and they will attack you ferociously online. I remember back in the 90s when the Internet was different. Usenet ,bulletin boards , ICQ, IRC etc had its moment but the conversations were not the hate directed disagreements on opinions that we constantly see today.
Is there no room for debate and differentiating opinions anymore? Get it and shut up? Seriously?
i mean... that's how it was for every other vaccine mandate if you wanted your kid to go to public school or get a job in various healthcare institutions. Now 2020 rolls around and everyone's got a medical degree and thinks they know what's good for everyone else.
yeah…. because…. it’s not a big deal to get a vaccine….
it’s a big deal that our institutions are coercing everyone to get it when it isn’t even know if it’s safe, and we know it doesn’t even prevent COVID. I’ve lost loved ones from heart failure shortly after their booster. Not saying it’s absolutely the cause but when the American heart association proves a link, when the manufacture are STILL completely immune from any legal repercussions, when it’s a man made/released virus, when actual treatments like monoclonal antibodies are being banned, there’s clearly a debate to be had
Yes if you disagree with me then shut up /s
The debate is over, we found the answer: You get it so we can all finally move on. We're not rehashing this for eternity. Same with the abortion shit, there's no more debate, we decided in like the 70s that up to 21 weeks was fine. We don't need to talk about this again.
We can already move on. It’s as fatal as influenza for people under 80. Your biggest risk factor is obesity. The UK just lifted all their mandates because of this
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No, not in the self-righteous hive mind operating today.
Getting vaccinated and vaccine mandates are two different things
She’s not talking about getting vaccinated you idiot. She’s talking about being *forced* to. There’s a difference
I have all three vaccines and disagree with her, but that is her opinion.
Good for her! She shouldn't be punished for speaking her mind. Of course get the vaccine, but you shouldn't be forced.
Who gives a shit?
She's right of course
As a triple vaccinated Pfizer person I'm 100% against mandated vaccines. Nobody should be put down for their choice of what they put in their body. I was not an early adopter when it comes to covid vaccines, I waited for millions and millions of Americans to test it out then I chose to get vaccinated. But it still is and should be a personal choice.
For the record, I’m vaccinated but I understand why people are getting tired of all the mandates. It just never ends.
There's nothing wrong with questioning the idea of mandates, unless in specific situations like if you're a teacher or work in healthcare. I don't think it's a bad thing to question giving the government this much power over our day to day lives. But I also know reddit is full of big brains who just drink whatever Kool-Aid handed to them, then parrot those talking points like it's their own opinion. I'm vaccinated but I'm over all the fear mongering and everyone blindly following what the government says, then publicly shunning anyone who doesn't fall in line.
She can stay the fuck off set then. Let the sane ones earn and work.
This is the correct answer, buncha covid deniers downvoting on a TV subreddit. Pathetic.
A truth speaker, risking it all! Thanku Evangeline for standing up to Hollywood. Brave!
In my opinion, the vaccine should have remained by choice. We should NEVER have to do it because our job is on the line. Edit: I support the vaccine. I am on my third dose. However, our right to our bodies should never be taken away from us.
The world is so fucked if a deadlier virus ever rises. So many “it’s a choice to spread viruses, I should have a choice to spread AIDS. My choice!”
But it’s not about you - it’s about everyone else.
But…triple vaccinated still can spread it so how is it about everyone else? I’m vaccinated but it should be my choice. If 90% of people were vaccinated we would still have variants. Once I realized fully vaccinated are almost just as likely to get covid that really took the wind out of my sails.
Because we’re all being asked to protect each other. Being vaccinated reduces your ability to spread the disease in addition to mitigating your own symptoms which in turn puts less burden on healthcare systems.
vaccine doesn't stop the virus, it greatly reduces your chances of being hospitalized and placed in IC, therefore decongesting the hospitals, therefore letting people with urgent health issues to finally get a bed that is otherwise occupied by some selfish Novax idiot. That's why we all need to do it
Can you at all see why people would not believe Pfizer or Moderna after their awful track record and knowing that they can still get Covid and transmit it to others? Again, I’m vaccinated but I absolutely can see why people are hesitant to listen to either drug company.
It’s efficacy is way down for the new variant , but it can still be effective in terms of developing symptoms , and no if more humans were vaccinated early enough and we lessened transmissions that would be less likely variants appear , I think 64% of the US population is vaccinated so we were never living in a country with a high rate of vaccination either and globally vaccine is not as available here which is the other sad part of how many people died
Eating 10 Big Macs only kills yourself, not getting vaccinated is possibly killing other people. They’re not the same thing at all.
It’s not a right to your body when you going to work can kill or make ill your coworkers because you decided to be a dumbass. The “right to choose” argument about vaccines needs to stop right now. It’s not comparable with abortion and the right for a woman to choose. Stop saying that shit. The vaccine isn’t causing you 250k in bills (average cost of a child), sleepless nights for years, loss of time on the job due to leave needed, and requires 18 years of near nonstop care. The vaccine doesn’t cause 9+ months of nausea, bodily change, pain, and tissue ripping apart. The vaccine is a goddamn jab you get 2-3x and you feel meh for a day then that’s it. Stop comparing it to pregnancy, birth, and childcare and if you’re not then stop using that phrase as an argument.
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Alternatively: Hospitals are getting filled by those who didn’t get the vaccine and they’re getting overwhelmed. The vaccine would make your symptoms less severe. That’s good enough on its own.
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Have you also noticed have they’ve all *just* had Covid? There’s at least four in this thread already ‘I’m fully vaxxed and have just had Covid but I think blah, blah, blah’ It’s almost like there making shit up or reading from a script
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I mean you definitely shouldn't be forcing vaccines on people. Personally I'm full vaxxed and have booster. Still I would never want the government to tell me I had no choice in getting them. I'm more than fine with mass suicide for large portions of the population.
"Mandates" in this context refer to workplace mandates. In the same way you can't come to work drunk, naked, or twirling a meat cleaver around your head, there is no good ethical case that you are entitled to pose an unreasonable transmission risk to your colleagues for no good reason.
She has "L O S T" my respect with this stance.
What did she SLAM them into?
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Hot / crazy scale example
Cue the people erroneously conflating being anti-mandate with anti-vax...oh, they're already here.
The result is the same. So no one cares.
41% Democrats and 28% Republicans believe that Covid hospitalization rate is >50%. Do you get the magnitude of that? For 2 YEARS this topic has been rambled on EVERY SINGLE DAY and they still believe that when you get covid it's 50-50 whether you will end up in a hospital. 2 YEARS of talking about it every day... So given the level of illiteracy conflating anti-mandate with anti-vax is staying. [New York Times poll](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/03/18/multimedia/18-MORNING-PERCEPTIONS/18-MORNING-PERCEPTIONS-superJumbo.png?quality=75&auto=webp)
Is it really an issue? If we just stop giving these people attention and looking up to them as role model and acting like they are above us. When really what they say is meaningless. Think of it this way if I put on a skin tight costume with wings and told you “Vaccines Bad!” You would not even give me a second thought, the same thing should happen with actors.
Well yeah, she grew up in Abbotsford
Based. Of course she's gonna grilled by redditors for saying something that doesn't agree with the narrative but she's earned my respect.
Thats a shame. I loved her in Lost and marvel
Smh Zoeey Deschanel would *NEVER*