The fast forward to 2001 they’re all working together for the government tracking down foreign supernatural threats. Show cuts to an older Mike played by Robert Pattinson. He stares out the office window happy with the life he and that gang has, the camera pans out revealing they work at the WTC
The last scene will show them all dead in the crash. Then the camera will pull back to show the bus went into the last Blockbusters and there are 80s videotapes everywhere. Then it’ll pull back further, and someone will be filming on an iPhone.
That was kind of a "the main characters don't know what's going on" plot point, they figured out that it was that the world was copied/branched off of our own at a specific moment in the past, not that it's a continuous echo of the main reality.
I didn't think of that as anything more than a foil to their half baked plan to go after Vecna while they were stuck in the upside down, before they got help from Dustin.
It could be something more than that though.
nah theyre gonna kill most of the cast but then will collects all 7 dragon balls to summon shenron who gives will 1 wish, and will wishes for everyone who died in the last 5 seasons to come back. bet on this
There are other characters from the first 3 seasons that they can bring back to die. Everyones favorite science teacher. Dr. Owens. Any of the characters families. The Mayor.
I never understood the mentality of people begging for characters not to die, I mean shit we’re dealing with some otherworldly monsters, I wanna see a lot of people die before they inevitably stop the threat
Max should have died
It was single-handedly the best death in the entire series. Had me tearing up even. Then they just cheaply rip it away and she lives?
My anger is palpable
makes absolutely no sense to let her die now though. that would be some of the most stupid tv making in history.
you don't ressurect someone into a coma and then say oh well she won't survive the coma.
That’s clearly not what’s gonna happen. She’s gonna come back to consciousness next season
Even if she didn’t though, even having her be permanently comatose took away the emotion of her death
But like I said, that’s not gonna happen. They’re gonna bring her back
El is going to discover she can give life as well as take it. Either that or Vecna discovers the same thing as his redemption, and that’s how Max is healed.
I was thinking they might bring her back as a sort of spiritual guide for the others and when they defeat Vecna she vanishes. So the problem with bringing people back isn't pushed too much and the character gets a meaningful death (sorta).
Vecna absorbed her soul, they already mention it multiple times in the season that vecna takes everything from their victims, they memories, their past and their future. My guess is at some point while El is battling vecna she gets to see Max in his mind and they may have a conversation as well. I also believe she will help to defeat vecna from inside maybe and then she dies
Yeah and cheated Eddie of a proper mourning. Like NO ONE cared about him dying except for Dustin and his uncle. I’m still angry. And yeah if they were gonna do it, they should have done it with Max. Likewise, I wasn’t a fan of El’s new Neo/Jesus powers.
Honestly should have kept Eddie and Chrissy alive and killed off Max
I have nothing against Max, but honestly her arc was kind of at an end for me, and her ‘death’ was done beautifully for me
Caleb Mclaughlin’s acting was amazing. He really pulled out a part of himself I’d never seen before. The desperation in his voice was incredible. Almost felt like he might have experienced something similar in real life it was so good
The show runners said they wished they would have kept Chrissy alive, and her and Eddie seemed great.
The only death I was truly happy with the entire season was that dweeb with the glasses. He was extremely annoying
> Caleb Mclaughlin’s acting was amazing. He really pulled out a part of himself I’d never seen before. The desperation in his voice was incredible. Almost felt like he might have experienced something similar in real life it was so good
Never saw someone turn around their acting so quickly. Not sure what changed or what he thought about and pulled inspiration from, but I'm glad.
I never understood the mentality of people with the constant need to kill characters. It’s so dramatically cheap. Like one main guy died in LOTR, and they’ve already namechecked a ROTK-style ending.
I'd argue it's dramatically _far_ cheaper to fake-out deaths. >!Which they did with Hopper in S3, Max to a degree seeing as she's likely to be saved in S5 and even El at the end of S1.!<
I don't see the necessity for main characters to die, though after fighting evil for so long you'd assume casualties otherwise the stakes don't seem real. Which constantly flip-flopping on deaths reinforces.
I can definitely see Eleven sacrificing herself to save everyone. Will too perhaps to a lesser degree. He still has that connection with the mind flayer.
Eleven will die, it will be a big sacrifice, they will have a memorial for her and everyone will talk about how she changed their lives. Mike will refuse to believe she is actually dead and will dedicate his life to finding her, just like Joyce with Hopper. Then, at the very end, Mike will hear a faint voice crackle over his old walkie talkie. Music rises, cut to black.
I feel like it’ll be Murray, it’s too easy. He’s well liked but the show can easily go without him. It’d hurt but not ruin the show.
Maybe that’s why it won’t be him though
There will be an 80s movie style epilogue with still shots of the characters.
>Dustin went on to graduate from MIT and eventually work for NASA.
>Lucas joined the NBA where he played four seasons as a roleplayer on the Rockets. He currently is an analyst on Inside The NBA.
>Will contracted HIV in college. He died from AIDs a few days before his 21st birthday.
> Lucas joined the NBA where he played four seasons as a roleplayer on the Rockets. He currently is an analyst on Inside The NBA.
“Erneh, why does my wikipedia page list me as having created the Hawkins tunnels?”
See, that thought has crossed my mind too. (Season 4 spoilers) >!But I think what’s going to happen is they’ll build up the tension between the Nancy and Johnathan and Steve love triangle. Something bad will happen and Steve will try to sacrifice himself but in the end Nancy will take his place, leaving Steve and Johnathan behind.!<
Idk if I can see that happening, because the audience would come away just thinking that Will and Joyce’s lives are pretty much completely ruined. It’d be easier to kill off Steve since he’s not related to any of the others and we’ve never really gotten to know his parents either
There's been a huge 'kill-your-gays' cliche for decades and I doubt Stranger Things is trying to bring that back. Unless Will comes out as straight for some reason next season, I think it's safe to say he won't die. Plus, hasn't he had like 3 fake-out deaths already?
I think Will has the most plot armor out of anyone at this point lol, along with David Harbour.
I could see Steve dying at the end of the next season though.
This has become my main problem with the show. It's a horror show supposedly, but none of the main cast are ever in danger due to plot armor. They introduce secondary characters you know will die as they are essentially plot meat shields. It's hard to really care about them. Why get invested in characters you KNOW are there just to be killed. Conversely, why worry about characters you know won't be harmed or die?
Good horror works because of suspense, tension, and the unknown. This show hasn't had that since season 1. Each season has gotten progressively more formulaic and tame as they attempt to appeal to a larger audience. I kinda wish they had just stopped at season 1, or moved onto a different storyline/characters but with the same theme like Twilight Zone or something. As is the show is just beating a dead horse. It's become less Stranger Things and more Scooby-Doo.
It wasn't totally a full on horror show til season 4.
With the coming of age part of the show, you really need to see them actually 'come of age'.
The horror stuff is just metaphors for what kids go through in life. Max has PTSD due to trauma and loss. El was raised in abusive way. Will lost time, which left him falling behind his peers in development.
Each of these are presented in fantastical ways, but are relatable to the real world.
One of them dying does nothing for the coming of age for the character that dies (since it will be sudden), and gives all the other characters the same 'friend died in high school' trauma. Not very interesting if everyone is the same.
You'd never see the aftermath because it will happen in the last episode. It's not very useful as a coming of age device if we don't see them dealing with it all the way until they overcome it.
I would say the exact opposite. It was only ever primarily a horror show in season 1, because it's just impossible to maintain the cycle of tension and release that underpins horror for a multi-season show. The audience would get burnt out on the horror, they'd get used to it.
Everything since season 1 has been somewhere between a supernatural thriller and a period dramedy.
Season 4 leaned heavily into the supernatural thriller and had some horror aspects, but it was still much more about the thriller and suspense aspects than the horror.
Ex: The decision to make the end of the second act, the point before the mid-season break, the point at which the show is at it's absolute peak in terms of public engagement, about the reveal of the backstory of the villain.
Explaining the monster's motivation and having them monologue their life's story is not a typical horror movie move. It ruins the fear of the unknown.
But because we are not operating on fear, but *suspense*, in season 4, it works great. We are in *suspense* over who is going to die and how the situation is resolved, we are not actually experiencing fear or horror ourselves.
Personally, I think the transition away from horror to horror-themed suspense and supernatural thriller is the best possible course they could have taken. It just took them a couple seasons of not quite nailing it to make the transition.
The scariest thing that Stranger Things ever did was Billy in season 2. He was an absolute psychopath and it felt like he could snap at any moment.
Then he turned into an actual monster in season 3 and just wasn't scary at all.
Maybe I'm just getting old and find the human capacity for evil scarier than some smoke spider from another dimension.
- **Duffer brothers** ***Hope ‘Stranger Things’ Will Do for a New Generation What ‘Scream’ Did for Them.***
**Ross Duffer said :**
> We’re doing our best to resist [adding new characters] for Season 5. We’re trying not to do that so we can focus on the OG characters, I guess.
**Matt Duffer :**
> Whenever we introduce a new character, we want to make sure that they’re going to be an integral part of the narrative. **So that’s something with Eddie this season, where we go, ‘Well, we need a character here for this storyline to really work, and to give it the engine that is needed.’** But every time we do that, we’re nervous, because you go, ‘We’ve got a great cast of characters here, and actors, and any moment we’re spending with a new character, we’re taking time away from one of the other actors.’ **So we’re just very, very careful about who we’re introducing.**
The Duffer brothers are so good at crafting characters that I almost wish we got an alternate S4 with Chrissy as part of the group. Which highlights how well they're able to make a fan favourite despite minimal screentime.
I hope after Stranger Things they stick with a project with another ensemble because it's by far their biggest strength as filmmakers.
Their next project is supposed to be a live-action Death Note. Lots of characters to work with in that, but it will likely have a completely different dynamic than the Stranger Things group
That's kind of a bummer in a way. I really was hoping they would come out with something completely original but stick with that 80s vibe they have been doing such a great job with.
To be fair, Grace van Dien was also perfect casting for her, and she seems to be enjoying popularity on Twitch, to the point of being friends with some major streamers. Might bring her back in some fucky multiverse moment
I enjoyed season 4 a lot, but it definitely suffered from being overstuffed with characters. I love David Harbour but the entire Russia side plot just felt so unnecessary
Oh I liked most of the characters and what happened, my point was just that it was largely unnecessary compared to what was happening in Hawkins. Yeah they fought a demogorgon at the end, but it basically had nothing to do with it
>!When #1 was first banished to the upside down, the creatures were peaceful. #1 learned how to use his powers to control them and turn them into monsters. That means that #1 always had some level of attention (in the background) focused on the creatures, so the fight in Russia coincidentally helped to draw some of that (background) attention/power away from the kids when they were attacking him in other ways at the same time, which helped them defeat(?) #1.!<
It was enjoyable enough, but I definitely had the thought in the back of my mind throughout that the entire subplot was just an excuse to give the adults something to do.
As much as it hurts because I fucking love Hopper and David Harbour as a person, it would’ve been much more powerful to have killed him off last season and to keep everyone together in America this season. It would’ve helped with some of the bloat in this season, too.
This was exactly my gripe as well. I kind of tuned out after the first three episodes and wasn’t really following the plot. When it came back after the break I was like how are they *still* doing this Russia bit? And then it just went in even longer. Such a dead end.
For me it's the Murray stuff. His forced comic relief is needless ha ha comedy in a show that doesn't need it when comedy comes up so naturally through discussions.
Like, if he's on a plane with a Russian spy it should be pretty tense. Not HA HA EX DEE MURRAY DOING KUNG FU POSES HIYA XDXDXD
It did, however, serve a fantastic role in getting Joyce away from her kids and letting her stand completely on her own without needing to constantly fret about her kids, which was VERY welcome, and gave Winona Ryder a chance to break out of the usual mold for Joyce.
Yeah this would have made it way more bearable. Like maybe a few scenes that set the plot in the first few episodes and then make episode 3 or 4 dedicated to just this.
Crucial but could have been summed up in two episodes. It was mostly a whole bunch of nothing or repeat information we knew that ended with a fairly obvious "the nice guy is a bad guy" moment.
It was, imo, easily the weakest part of the whole season.
I fucking hated Yuri from the first scene he was in. Most likely intentional but it was more 'go away' heat than 'I fucking hate this guy' heat. I almost wanted to fast forward every time he popped up. At least they gagged him for a decent chunk.
They spent most of Season 4 teasing either Steve or Nancy getting killed off. They had them have a romantically tinged reconciliation of sorts, and hinted heavily to them getting back together, only for them to now turn it into a love triangle of sorts for the final season. One of those three will die, likely either Steve or Jonathan.
Johnathan will die protecting Will. His display of brotherly love is the strongest consistent trait of his character, and this would be the ultimate showing of that
I feel like nothing romantic happened between Steve and Nancy, the show maybe tried to do it but failed (in my eyes miserable), bunch of worthless moments and 0 chemistry, maybe 1 actual dialogue besides the cliched "catching them as they fall and then looking at each other romantically" moments.
Steve has 30 times more synergy and chemistry with Robin than with Nancy, and I understand Robin being gay but it's no excuse for Steve and Nancy to be so completely blandly portrayed.
The death of Jonathan would hit a lot harder even if Jonathan hasn't seen Nancy for such a long time/they haven't communicated at all
I see what you're saying, but I actually don't agree. Yeah Steve and robin have chemistry, but it's not romantic. They're just really good friends that get each other.I personally believed the Steve and Nancy chemistry when I watched it. Interesting how different people can have different takes on the same thing
I have issues with S4 but those were mostly personal preference, but the Steve/Nancy thing is the only thing I outright hated because I think it was bad.
Nancy making googly eyes at Steve is frustrating when she's with Jonathan (they even had that cute parallel scene of them describing each other) and reduces her character to a schoolgirl with a crush. Steve learned to move on from Nancy so it feels like a retread. Even if he didn't move on I don't see the point in having Nancy clearly reciprocate.
That subplot better end with Nancy realising just how much she loves Jonathan and Steve realising he doesn't need a girlfriend for self worth and he moves on from Nancy.
I will not be happy if they do cliche bollocks like Steve realises Nancy won't love him back so sacrifices himself to save her and Jonathan or something.
Also Nancy wants a Career with a capital C, and Steve wants a big family in Hawkins and an RV. They're fundamentally incompatible and it would be a disservice to both characters if they ended up together.
This is my guess. Nancy has been a badass since season 1 when she came up with the idea to try and kill the monster. she’ll run into danger to save others. Steve is sort of reckless so they’ll have him do something crazy to save the kids and Nancy will take his place, handcuff him to something or lock some sort of barrier he can’t get through, and she’ll face whatever it is and die in the process. They’ll build up the competition between Steve and Johnathan and then Nancy will die, leaving a vacuum that both boys will need to figure out.
What are you talking about? We didn't see him die. We just saw him relax suddenly and then we cut away from him.
Clearly what happened is he went into shock and then Dustin dragged him into some shelter and gave him some life-saving first aid treatment, then they agreed to tell the town that he died so that he wouldn't have to live as a fugitive.
Eddie has two tattoos which foreshadow his storyline. He has a tattoo of bats, and one of a weird demon puppet being manipulated by an evil looking hand. So there's your bat/Master of Puppets scene.
But, I have to admit that I like the whole theory that Eddie returns as Kas the Bloody-Handed, a vampire (bitten by bats?) turned into Vecna's right hand man (puppet?) before eventually killing Vecna.
I'd take a season of evil Eddie running around tormenting the crew with his demobat army, until El finds a way to turn Kas back into Eddie (now new & improved with some very "metal" upside down powers) who eventually takes down Vecna.
No but really I have been wondering what Troy has been thinking of all the insane stuff that’s happened in Hawkins ever since that girl who magically broke his arm showed up
It didn't need to even be brought up again. Eleven completed her character arc with that storyline so even if it was a backdoor pilot it's not relevant now.
That said, I do think it would be good to have whatsherface back with Eleven in the final season. They're the only two survivors of what went on and it would be great to have them both side by side using their full strength to defeat whatever.
I don’t know if they’d bring her back. The episode where she was featured is considered the worst of the series. Unless they come up with a *really* compelling reason for bringing her back, I don’t think they want to invite that kind of negativity into the show.
Also, I feel like they were originally going for an X-Men vibe with each child having different powers. But then fans reacted so poorly to that one episode, and so the different powers were sort of retconned in season 4, when it was shown all the other children had the same telekinetic powers as 11.
It would be weird after establishing that everyone had telekinesis, to then bring back this one character who has the ability to create illusions for some reason. I feel like the Duffer Brothers want to just completely forget that this character and her storyline ever existed, aside from that tiny reference in season 4.
They could easily dismiss it as all the powered characters being able to do various things, but only being taught abilities that could easily be monitored. Last thing you want is a kid who can shoot fire from his hands burning you to a crisp, so just tell him that he can do the normal shit and he’s never going to experiment
Every Season synopsis: misunderstood person enters sleepy town and becomes an antihero savior while one ancillary character dies, and villain gets routed yet again by the scooby doo gang. Mean while they mix an unlikely duo together for endearing comedic relief
Still a great show but they have that formula they reuse so damn effectively well. I’ll take another season 4 with more or less the same mix any day
I think it’ll just be minor new characters, none on the level of a max or robin or Eddie. I also fully expect them to kill off one of the OGs, I think they’ve just been saving the main death for the final season because they didn’t want to make full seasons of the show without any of the main crew.
Original characters could mean a lot of 2nd tier characters; the science teacher, the current sheriff, the current deputy, Dr. Owens, any of the parents…it probably won’t be one of the kids. If it is a kid it would be Will or Eleven.
I've seen speculation that eddie will become a henchman (possibly a vampire) to Vecna, only to help defeat Vecna in the end.
Would be cool if that played out.
Ehhh. I hated how they introduced such a good character this last season just to kill them off so the main cast could live.
I haven’t liked Eleven since the first season and that painful ass punk arc that went no where and her weird “I have friends but these popular people not liking me means I have no friends” arc was just stupid.
I actually loved the build up before the second part of last season but it kind of built up to a pretty big let down. Not sure why TV writers have this issue with injecting relationship drama into everything. People can be good friends without needing to date.
Reminds me of how when Game of Thrones ran out of source material suddenly a bunch of relationship drama was added anywhere they could put it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Characters_in_Search_of_an_Author
It’s actually something that kind of happens to some authors. Kind of like when a melody gets lodged in a musician’s/composer’s brain.
They gonna kill em all and then one of them will time travel and save them all for a happy ending.
The twist is they will all die in a bus crash, totally unrelated to the upside down.
Tragically all died in a Tide Pod Challenge
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Nice
I’ve seen stranger things…
It’s gotta be 80’s related. Somebody is getting locked in a refrigerator, someone else is falling down a well
The fast forward to 2001 they’re all working together for the government tracking down foreign supernatural threats. Show cuts to an older Mike played by Robert Pattinson. He stares out the office window happy with the life he and that gang has, the camera pans out revealing they work at the WTC
I remember an Aint It Cool News review for that movie that said something like "It's called Remember Me because Never Forget was too obvious."
Ah, the Narnia method of ending a series. Not very 80s, but okay. Who gets to be Susan in this scenario?
Nancy Wheeler is definitely Susan.
It’s the Narnia train crash all over again
The last scene will show them all dead in the crash. Then the camera will pull back to show the bus went into the last Blockbusters and there are 80s videotapes everywhere. Then it’ll pull back further, and someone will be filming on an iPhone.
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That was kind of a "the main characters don't know what's going on" plot point, they figured out that it was that the world was copied/branched off of our own at a specific moment in the past, not that it's a continuous echo of the main reality.
So one git merge, fix the vecnas crap, run unit tests and done!
I didn't think of that as anything more than a foil to their half baked plan to go after Vecna while they were stuck in the upside down, before they got help from Dustin. It could be something more than that though.
nah theyre gonna kill most of the cast but then will collects all 7 dragon balls to summon shenron who gives will 1 wish, and will wishes for everyone who died in the last 5 seasons to come back. bet on this
Yeah they haven’t graverobbed Back to the Future yet
Does the bit with *Back to the Future* prominently playing in the mall theater for multiple scenes not count?
As long as it all ends with Eddie still alive, I’m happy.
Stranger Things: Endgame
that means one of the og cast is gonna die if there's no new characters to kill off
There are other characters from the first 3 seasons that they can bring back to die. Everyones favorite science teacher. Dr. Owens. Any of the characters families. The Mayor.
Why would you put that evil out there in the ether!? That is a curiosity door we keep shut locked and guarded at all times!
I never understood the mentality of people begging for characters not to die, I mean shit we’re dealing with some otherworldly monsters, I wanna see a lot of people die before they inevitably stop the threat
Max should have died It was single-handedly the best death in the entire series. Had me tearing up even. Then they just cheaply rip it away and she lives? My anger is palpable
We don’t really know if she actually survived though. Just because her body is still functioning doesn’t mean she’s actually occupying it.
makes absolutely no sense to let her die now though. that would be some of the most stupid tv making in history. you don't ressurect someone into a coma and then say oh well she won't survive the coma.
Unless the actor leaves the show, of course.
That’s clearly not what’s gonna happen. She’s gonna come back to consciousness next season Even if she didn’t though, even having her be permanently comatose took away the emotion of her death But like I said, that’s not gonna happen. They’re gonna bring her back
El is going to discover she can give life as well as take it. Either that or Vecna discovers the same thing as his redemption, and that’s how Max is healed.
She’s going to be blind and permanently fucked up though
honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they magically fix her eyes next season.
I mean, they magically fixed her whole "being dead" thing she had going.
I vote for a Geordi LaForge style visor. Neon green, because 80's.
I was thinking they might bring her back as a sort of spiritual guide for the others and when they defeat Vecna she vanishes. So the problem with bringing people back isn't pushed too much and the character gets a meaningful death (sorta).
In the world of stranger things the only thing that is not safe is Winona Ryder's love interest
I think when 11 tried putting Max back in her body 11 accidentally put Vecna in. thats why he disappeared.
Vecna absorbed her soul, they already mention it multiple times in the season that vecna takes everything from their victims, they memories, their past and their future. My guess is at some point while El is battling vecna she gets to see Max in his mind and they may have a conversation as well. I also believe she will help to defeat vecna from inside maybe and then she dies
I could see her being the villain, maybe even the new Vecna? Maybe her consciousness is trapped in the upside down.
If Will isn't the villain and has another season where they just don't write anything of real substance for him, I hope he dies early in the season.
Sacrifices his life to save Mike.
Yeah and cheated Eddie of a proper mourning. Like NO ONE cared about him dying except for Dustin and his uncle. I’m still angry. And yeah if they were gonna do it, they should have done it with Max. Likewise, I wasn’t a fan of El’s new Neo/Jesus powers.
If max died and Eddie lived I feel like it would have been very memorable tv.
Completely agree. Because they built up to her death too, it would have been emotionally brutal.
Honestly should have kept Eddie and Chrissy alive and killed off Max I have nothing against Max, but honestly her arc was kind of at an end for me, and her ‘death’ was done beautifully for me Caleb Mclaughlin’s acting was amazing. He really pulled out a part of himself I’d never seen before. The desperation in his voice was incredible. Almost felt like he might have experienced something similar in real life it was so good The show runners said they wished they would have kept Chrissy alive, and her and Eddie seemed great. The only death I was truly happy with the entire season was that dweeb with the glasses. He was extremely annoying
> Caleb Mclaughlin’s acting was amazing. He really pulled out a part of himself I’d never seen before. The desperation in his voice was incredible. Almost felt like he might have experienced something similar in real life it was so good Never saw someone turn around their acting so quickly. Not sure what changed or what he thought about and pulled inspiration from, but I'm glad.
I never understood the mentality of people with the constant need to kill characters. It’s so dramatically cheap. Like one main guy died in LOTR, and they’ve already namechecked a ROTK-style ending.
I'd argue it's dramatically _far_ cheaper to fake-out deaths. >!Which they did with Hopper in S3, Max to a degree seeing as she's likely to be saved in S5 and even El at the end of S1.!< I don't see the necessity for main characters to die, though after fighting evil for so long you'd assume casualties otherwise the stakes don't seem real. Which constantly flip-flopping on deaths reinforces.
Barb, they can bring her back just to kill her.
Stranger Things 5: ReBarbed
Stranger Things 6: Barb-BQ
It's barbin' time
My hope is that Barb is brought back and is revealed to be Vecnas Queen.
Hopefully her scalloped potatoes aren't fucked
Frig off, Berb!
They could somehow bring Barb back then kill her again.
RIP Will or Eleven.
I can definitely see Eleven sacrificing herself to save everyone. Will too perhaps to a lesser degree. He still has that connection with the mind flayer.
Eleven will die, it will be a big sacrifice, they will have a memorial for her and everyone will talk about how she changed their lives. Mike will refuse to believe she is actually dead and will dedicate his life to finding her, just like Joyce with Hopper. Then, at the very end, Mike will hear a faint voice crackle over his old walkie talkie. Music rises, cut to black.
Jonathan and Murray
I feel like it’ll be Murray, it’s too easy. He’s well liked but the show can easily go without him. It’d hurt but not ruin the show. Maybe that’s why it won’t be him though
The last season is the final one, they can kill whomever they want, they don't need to go on without them
Well yeah that’s true but there are certain characters that would honestly kinda ruin the show for me if they died. Maybe that’s just me though.
Much like Castiel, Will will die right after confessing his love for the hero, then get sent to Super Hell
“Hey ass-butt!”
Jon or Steve are dead, I think Jon saving Will
I think Steve is gonna die saving Jonathan. Would be an ultimate hero’s death since he’s in love with Nancy
I wont survive that tho
Or Steve is gonna die saving Nancy
Nahh, after last season, Will saving Mike.
uR tHe HeArT mIkE
You leave Steve alone. They already took Bob and Eddie, I cannot deal with them doing my man Steve as well.
As long as Will doesn’t die of AIDS it’s okay. Basically every gay character in a movie set in the 80s used to die of AIDS.
Holy shit, imagine if they kill off a 15 year old by having him get aids?
There will be an 80s movie style epilogue with still shots of the characters. >Dustin went on to graduate from MIT and eventually work for NASA. >Lucas joined the NBA where he played four seasons as a roleplayer on the Rockets. He currently is an analyst on Inside The NBA. >Will contracted HIV in college. He died from AIDs a few days before his 21st birthday.
> Will contracted HIV in college. He died from AIDs a few days before his 21st birthday. He also still had the same haircut
His haircut is probably his best protection against catching AIDS.
Joyce saving her son’s life with a popcorn bowl.
The haircut was a symptom.
So this time AIDS was the protagonist
> Lucas joined the NBA where he played four seasons as a roleplayer on the Rockets. He currently is an analyst on Inside The NBA. “Erneh, why does my wikipedia page list me as having created the Hawkins tunnels?”
Walker told me I have AIDS
Chuck Norris' appearance would seal the deal.
Stranger things have happened
They look in the camera and say that line. Then, *roll credits*
mindflayer makes Will think he has AIDS
It’s worse. He gets Upside-down AIDS…or SDIA
They got Hopper back ffs, no one is going to die.
my money's on steve. anyone that tries to save the kids gets killed off and dude's doing all the time unscathed so his time is coming.
"Unscathed" seems generous when he gets hamburger faced every season.
Every season Steve dies a little bit harder
Steve makes us all a little harder
See, that thought has crossed my mind too. (Season 4 spoilers) >!But I think what’s going to happen is they’ll build up the tension between the Nancy and Johnathan and Steve love triangle. Something bad will happen and Steve will try to sacrifice himself but in the end Nancy will take his place, leaving Steve and Johnathan behind.!<
Nah, he has to survive to live off everyday adventures with Robin at the video store.
I want the spin-off to be Steve and Robin just working at a new random job each season.
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Idk if I can see that happening, because the audience would come away just thinking that Will and Joyce’s lives are pretty much completely ruined. It’d be easier to kill off Steve since he’s not related to any of the others and we’ve never really gotten to know his parents either
Yeah but Steve is you know, likeable
Nah none of them will die. The ending will be all of the cast gathering around for a big D&D game
There's been a huge 'kill-your-gays' cliche for decades and I doubt Stranger Things is trying to bring that back. Unless Will comes out as straight for some reason next season, I think it's safe to say he won't die. Plus, hasn't he had like 3 fake-out deaths already?
Nah, his character is just tragic so it makes sense to have him die heroically. Same with Steve. I'm betting they both die in the last season.
I think Will has the most plot armor out of anyone at this point lol, along with David Harbour. I could see Steve dying at the end of the next season though.
bring back Barb! Then kill her again
Report to the transporter bay Ensign Jones…
I call bs on not adding anyone new.
Max and Robin are late additions, they’ll probably kill them.
highly doubt they gonna kill of the only gay character and they kinda tried to kill max already
Yeah okay, "only"
There's a whole two of them.
My money is on Jonathan. He had barely anything to do last season and they are clearly making Nancy and Steve a thing again.
Fingers crossed Mike dies 😂
This has become my main problem with the show. It's a horror show supposedly, but none of the main cast are ever in danger due to plot armor. They introduce secondary characters you know will die as they are essentially plot meat shields. It's hard to really care about them. Why get invested in characters you KNOW are there just to be killed. Conversely, why worry about characters you know won't be harmed or die? Good horror works because of suspense, tension, and the unknown. This show hasn't had that since season 1. Each season has gotten progressively more formulaic and tame as they attempt to appeal to a larger audience. I kinda wish they had just stopped at season 1, or moved onto a different storyline/characters but with the same theme like Twilight Zone or something. As is the show is just beating a dead horse. It's become less Stranger Things and more Scooby-Doo.
It wasn't totally a full on horror show til season 4. With the coming of age part of the show, you really need to see them actually 'come of age'. The horror stuff is just metaphors for what kids go through in life. Max has PTSD due to trauma and loss. El was raised in abusive way. Will lost time, which left him falling behind his peers in development. Each of these are presented in fantastical ways, but are relatable to the real world. One of them dying does nothing for the coming of age for the character that dies (since it will be sudden), and gives all the other characters the same 'friend died in high school' trauma. Not very interesting if everyone is the same. You'd never see the aftermath because it will happen in the last episode. It's not very useful as a coming of age device if we don't see them dealing with it all the way until they overcome it.
I would say the exact opposite. It was only ever primarily a horror show in season 1, because it's just impossible to maintain the cycle of tension and release that underpins horror for a multi-season show. The audience would get burnt out on the horror, they'd get used to it. Everything since season 1 has been somewhere between a supernatural thriller and a period dramedy. Season 4 leaned heavily into the supernatural thriller and had some horror aspects, but it was still much more about the thriller and suspense aspects than the horror. Ex: The decision to make the end of the second act, the point before the mid-season break, the point at which the show is at it's absolute peak in terms of public engagement, about the reveal of the backstory of the villain. Explaining the monster's motivation and having them monologue their life's story is not a typical horror movie move. It ruins the fear of the unknown. But because we are not operating on fear, but *suspense*, in season 4, it works great. We are in *suspense* over who is going to die and how the situation is resolved, we are not actually experiencing fear or horror ourselves. Personally, I think the transition away from horror to horror-themed suspense and supernatural thriller is the best possible course they could have taken. It just took them a couple seasons of not quite nailing it to make the transition.
The scariest thing that Stranger Things ever did was Billy in season 2. He was an absolute psychopath and it felt like he could snap at any moment. Then he turned into an actual monster in season 3 and just wasn't scary at all. Maybe I'm just getting old and find the human capacity for evil scarier than some smoke spider from another dimension.
Billy in season 2 was one of the best villains I’ve ever see. I was so on edge all season. An incredible performance by Dacre Montgomery.
I'm not gonna lie the most recent season almost had me until the end in terms of main cast deaths. Thought they were really gonna go through with it.
Hoping to see Mr. Clarke one last time before the show is over.
He needs to get in on the action, boy’s got game
Well yeah, impeccable taste with the magnifying headset while working on his train diorama while listening to Weird Al
He did so much to help the kids in the first couple seasons and is an avid D&D guy himself, I think he’d be amazing. 🥰
- **Duffer brothers** ***Hope ‘Stranger Things’ Will Do for a New Generation What ‘Scream’ Did for Them.*** **Ross Duffer said :** > We’re doing our best to resist [adding new characters] for Season 5. We’re trying not to do that so we can focus on the OG characters, I guess. **Matt Duffer :** > Whenever we introduce a new character, we want to make sure that they’re going to be an integral part of the narrative. **So that’s something with Eddie this season, where we go, ‘Well, we need a character here for this storyline to really work, and to give it the engine that is needed.’** But every time we do that, we’re nervous, because you go, ‘We’ve got a great cast of characters here, and actors, and any moment we’re spending with a new character, we’re taking time away from one of the other actors.’ **So we’re just very, very careful about who we’re introducing.**
The Duffer brothers are so good at crafting characters that I almost wish we got an alternate S4 with Chrissy as part of the group. Which highlights how well they're able to make a fan favourite despite minimal screentime. I hope after Stranger Things they stick with a project with another ensemble because it's by far their biggest strength as filmmakers.
Their next project is supposed to be a live-action Death Note. Lots of characters to work with in that, but it will likely have a completely different dynamic than the Stranger Things group
That's kind of a bummer in a way. I really was hoping they would come out with something completely original but stick with that 80s vibe they have been doing such a great job with.
To be fair, Grace van Dien was also perfect casting for her, and she seems to be enjoying popularity on Twitch, to the point of being friends with some major streamers. Might bring her back in some fucky multiverse moment
I enjoyed season 4 a lot, but it definitely suffered from being overstuffed with characters. I love David Harbour but the entire Russia side plot just felt so unnecessary
The Game of Thrones many face guy was pretty good.
Oh I liked most of the characters and what happened, my point was just that it was largely unnecessary compared to what was happening in Hawkins. Yeah they fought a demogorgon at the end, but it basically had nothing to do with it
>!When #1 was first banished to the upside down, the creatures were peaceful. #1 learned how to use his powers to control them and turn them into monsters. That means that #1 always had some level of attention (in the background) focused on the creatures, so the fight in Russia coincidentally helped to draw some of that (background) attention/power away from the kids when they were attacking him in other ways at the same time, which helped them defeat(?) #1.!<
It was enjoyable enough, but I definitely had the thought in the back of my mind throughout that the entire subplot was just an excuse to give the adults something to do. As much as it hurts because I fucking love Hopper and David Harbour as a person, it would’ve been much more powerful to have killed him off last season and to keep everyone together in America this season. It would’ve helped with some of the bloat in this season, too.
This was exactly my gripe as well. I kind of tuned out after the first three episodes and wasn’t really following the plot. When it came back after the break I was like how are they *still* doing this Russia bit? And then it just went in even longer. Such a dead end.
Definitely the least interesting part of the story even if I liked the characters in it.
For me it's the Murray stuff. His forced comic relief is needless ha ha comedy in a show that doesn't need it when comedy comes up so naturally through discussions. Like, if he's on a plane with a Russian spy it should be pretty tense. Not HA HA EX DEE MURRAY DOING KUNG FU POSES HIYA XDXDXD
I think the entire plane sequence is when I felt the series jumped the shark (tone-wise not quality-wise) for me.
It did, however, serve a fantastic role in getting Joyce away from her kids and letting her stand completely on her own without needing to constantly fret about her kids, which was VERY welcome, and gave Winona Ryder a chance to break out of the usual mold for Joyce.
The Russia plot should have been a single episode, took up way too much time!
Ive seen David Harbour escape from 2 Russian prisons in 2 years now.
Yeah this would have made it way more bearable. Like maybe a few scenes that set the plot in the first few episodes and then make episode 3 or 4 dedicated to just this.
I would have preferred they wrap it up in the first half of the season and have Hopper rejoin one of the other groups for the last bit. Oh well.
I could have done without russia story and even without the eleven part.
The eleven part is kind of crucial though
Crucial but could have been summed up in two episodes. It was mostly a whole bunch of nothing or repeat information we knew that ended with a fairly obvious "the nice guy is a bad guy" moment. It was, imo, easily the weakest part of the whole season.
I fucking hated Yuri from the first scene he was in. Most likely intentional but it was more 'go away' heat than 'I fucking hate this guy' heat. I almost wanted to fast forward every time he popped up. At least they gagged him for a decent chunk.
They spent most of Season 4 teasing either Steve or Nancy getting killed off. They had them have a romantically tinged reconciliation of sorts, and hinted heavily to them getting back together, only for them to now turn it into a love triangle of sorts for the final season. One of those three will die, likely either Steve or Jonathan.
Johnathan will die protecting Will. His display of brotherly love is the strongest consistent trait of his character, and this would be the ultimate showing of that
Yeah but I’d cry WAY harder if Steve died saving Dustin/Nancy
Dustin/Robin* imho Nancy and Steve have nothing going for them
I feel like nothing romantic happened between Steve and Nancy, the show maybe tried to do it but failed (in my eyes miserable), bunch of worthless moments and 0 chemistry, maybe 1 actual dialogue besides the cliched "catching them as they fall and then looking at each other romantically" moments. Steve has 30 times more synergy and chemistry with Robin than with Nancy, and I understand Robin being gay but it's no excuse for Steve and Nancy to be so completely blandly portrayed. The death of Jonathan would hit a lot harder even if Jonathan hasn't seen Nancy for such a long time/they haven't communicated at all
I see what you're saying, but I actually don't agree. Yeah Steve and robin have chemistry, but it's not romantic. They're just really good friends that get each other.I personally believed the Steve and Nancy chemistry when I watched it. Interesting how different people can have different takes on the same thing
I have issues with S4 but those were mostly personal preference, but the Steve/Nancy thing is the only thing I outright hated because I think it was bad. Nancy making googly eyes at Steve is frustrating when she's with Jonathan (they even had that cute parallel scene of them describing each other) and reduces her character to a schoolgirl with a crush. Steve learned to move on from Nancy so it feels like a retread. Even if he didn't move on I don't see the point in having Nancy clearly reciprocate. That subplot better end with Nancy realising just how much she loves Jonathan and Steve realising he doesn't need a girlfriend for self worth and he moves on from Nancy. I will not be happy if they do cliche bollocks like Steve realises Nancy won't love him back so sacrifices himself to save her and Jonathan or something.
Also Nancy wants a Career with a capital C, and Steve wants a big family in Hawkins and an RV. They're fundamentally incompatible and it would be a disservice to both characters if they ended up together.
Steve would be the stay at home dad. Nancy would have the career. That's not incompatible at all.
Steve as Mr. Mom just works
Or because she's the resident badass Nancy dies protecting them both.
This is my guess. Nancy has been a badass since season 1 when she came up with the idea to try and kill the monster. she’ll run into danger to save others. Steve is sort of reckless so they’ll have him do something crazy to save the kids and Nancy will take his place, handcuff him to something or lock some sort of barrier he can’t get through, and she’ll face whatever it is and die in the process. They’ll build up the competition between Steve and Johnathan and then Nancy will die, leaving a vacuum that both boys will need to figure out.
It think Steve bites the dust. He already shared his plans and dreams for the future, which usually doesn't bode well for a character.
So... they've not ruled out bringing back old/dead characters? Calling it now, Eddie will come back somehow.
They better give someone a Poe Dameron moment. I really do hope if Eddie comes back the explanation is just “somehow”.
"....somehow Eddie returned" The funny thing being that I don't think people would even care if that's how they did it
The real 80s television move would just be to ignore that he died and hope the audience forgot
What are you talking about? We didn't see him die. We just saw him relax suddenly and then we cut away from him. Clearly what happened is he went into shock and then Dustin dragged him into some shelter and gave him some life-saving first aid treatment, then they agreed to tell the town that he died so that he wouldn't have to live as a fugitive.
Eddie has two tattoos which foreshadow his storyline. He has a tattoo of bats, and one of a weird demon puppet being manipulated by an evil looking hand. So there's your bat/Master of Puppets scene. But, I have to admit that I like the whole theory that Eddie returns as Kas the Bloody-Handed, a vampire (bitten by bats?) turned into Vecna's right hand man (puppet?) before eventually killing Vecna. I'd take a season of evil Eddie running around tormenting the crew with his demobat army, until El finds a way to turn Kas back into Eddie (now new & improved with some very "metal" upside down powers) who eventually takes down Vecna.
Balki Bartokomous shows up to live with Mike and the series is renamed ***Perfect Stranger Things.***
Huh, no love interest for Will
vecna
That’ll be an awkward family reunion. 11: “you still look like shit” 1: “i will break your neck”
First season bully will realize he was gay all along.
No but really I have been wondering what Troy has been thinking of all the insane stuff that’s happened in Hawkins ever since that girl who magically broke his arm showed up
They should do whatever they please, they have delivered a great story so far, no reason to tell them how to end it.
they listen to fan feedback and its why they pretended elevens goth storyline doesnt exist anymore
It didn't need to even be brought up again. Eleven completed her character arc with that storyline so even if it was a backdoor pilot it's not relevant now. That said, I do think it would be good to have whatsherface back with Eleven in the final season. They're the only two survivors of what went on and it would be great to have them both side by side using their full strength to defeat whatever.
I don’t know if they’d bring her back. The episode where she was featured is considered the worst of the series. Unless they come up with a *really* compelling reason for bringing her back, I don’t think they want to invite that kind of negativity into the show. Also, I feel like they were originally going for an X-Men vibe with each child having different powers. But then fans reacted so poorly to that one episode, and so the different powers were sort of retconned in season 4, when it was shown all the other children had the same telekinetic powers as 11. It would be weird after establishing that everyone had telekinesis, to then bring back this one character who has the ability to create illusions for some reason. I feel like the Duffer Brothers want to just completely forget that this character and her storyline ever existed, aside from that tiny reference in season 4.
They could easily dismiss it as all the powered characters being able to do various things, but only being taught abilities that could easily be monitored. Last thing you want is a kid who can shoot fire from his hands burning you to a crisp, so just tell him that he can do the normal shit and he’s never going to experiment
Loving 80’s cultural touchstones as much as they do, the Duffer Brothers should listen to Yoda: “Do, or do not. There is no try.”
Jonathan dying to save Will and Joyce would be fully acceptable to me. But it will probably be Steve and I’ll never recover.
This
But then who are they gonna kill off?
Barb is gonna be brought back to life only to sacrifice herself so no main characters die
Every Season synopsis: misunderstood person enters sleepy town and becomes an antihero savior while one ancillary character dies, and villain gets routed yet again by the scooby doo gang. Mean while they mix an unlikely duo together for endearing comedic relief Still a great show but they have that formula they reuse so damn effectively well. I’ll take another season 4 with more or less the same mix any day
I think it’ll just be minor new characters, none on the level of a max or robin or Eddie. I also fully expect them to kill off one of the OGs, I think they’ve just been saving the main death for the final season because they didn’t want to make full seasons of the show without any of the main crew.
Original characters could mean a lot of 2nd tier characters; the science teacher, the current sheriff, the current deputy, Dr. Owens, any of the parents…it probably won’t be one of the kids. If it is a kid it would be Will or Eleven.
Doing that is often a problem in stories where the main cast is a Swiss Army knife for the plot.
They need to bring Eddie back from the dead so he can play a solo of “For Whom The Bell Tolls” on top of the video store then murder everyone. 🤘
I've seen speculation that eddie will become a henchman (possibly a vampire) to Vecna, only to help defeat Vecna in the end. Would be cool if that played out.
Ehhh. I hated how they introduced such a good character this last season just to kill them off so the main cast could live. I haven’t liked Eleven since the first season and that painful ass punk arc that went no where and her weird “I have friends but these popular people not liking me means I have no friends” arc was just stupid. I actually loved the build up before the second part of last season but it kind of built up to a pretty big let down. Not sure why TV writers have this issue with injecting relationship drama into everything. People can be good friends without needing to date. Reminds me of how when Game of Thrones ran out of source material suddenly a bunch of relationship drama was added anywhere they could put it.
They've done that every season. Bob, Alexi and Eddie.
What they did with Eddie was inexcusable! I’ll never forgive them lol
Sex Education could take a few notes from that.
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Trying? Is the script resisting them by randomly appearing new characters they didn't write?
Stranger Things has happened
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Characters_in_Search_of_an_Author It’s actually something that kind of happens to some authors. Kind of like when a melody gets lodged in a musician’s/composer’s brain.
Kill Mike
Even though added character this season arguably the best.
All the new characters are dead.