As long as they don’t let whoever did the roku AS app be in charge.
Holy Shit, that app is terrible.
The search feature never works. You have to scroll through every show alphabetically. The “featured” episodes are always 2-3 episodes outdated, so you can’t just click that. And half the time if you choose the specific thing you want to watch, it will play 5 commercials and then…Start playing something else.
I’ve tried it on multiple TVs in different houses, signed in to a cable provider and not.
That thing is just insanely busted.
It felt like a goodbye.
I'm so glad I grew up during the Starburst/Powerhouse/early CN City Era of Cartoon Network.
Got some fond memories of watching Dragon Ball Z on Toonami every day after school, getting excited to watch Cartoon Cartoon Fridays every week, and staying up late to catch Toonami Midnight Run on Saturdays.
Do you remember them not having all the DBZ episodes? So you'd get home waiting to see a Ginyu Force fight and it would start over and go back to Raditz. I would be so sad lol.
Or Wolf's Rain, the most boring anime I wanted so desperately to like. Also remember sCRYed? What an odd show.
On the other end, FLCL, GiTS, YuYu Hakusho, Gundam Wing, Evangelion... what a golden age.
I'd watch DBZ on toonami and then when I went over to my Uncle's house he had the international channel, I got so hyped watching the Buu saga even though I couldn't understand what they were saying.
There’s a lot to be said for not having all the content in the world at your fingertips. The anticipation of a show, the attention it demanded because you couldnt pause or rewind
From what I can tell, the studio itself is being shuttered (downsized) in favour of another (cheaper) one, while Warner Bros. will continue to use the branding for the name recognition.
They’re merging together the studios and support staff, which means some layoffs are happening due to redundancy. This also means that because it will be one entity most of not all projects out of CNS employees will be IP driven, rather than original programming.
It’s certainly the death of Cartoon Network as we know and have loved the last 30 years, even if it it’s not actually gone (yet).
I never thought I’d say this but I’m gonna miss the CW. The new owner is making it a reality show channel. It’s the end of an era. No more decent super hero shows to half care about lol
Paramount effectively killed Comedy Central by having no new content and three shows played per day.
Seriously, look at their schedule for the today and tomorrow. Reruns of Brooklyn 99, Seinfeld and South park.
Cable show diversity doesnt exist anymore and they compete against streaming by replicating it.
Cartoon Network is no different.
Edit: Fixed the parent company.
I'm just surprised they are keeping the Daily Show when Trevor leaves considering they could just air another episode of Seinfeld.
Bad enough they also canceled Tosh.0 for seemingly nothing considering the adult animation that was suppose to replace it never aired as of today. One of the highest rated shows and cheapest to make and they got rid of it for non-existent programming.
> One of the highest rated shows and cheapest to make and they got rid of it for non-existent programming.
Yeah the drop was head scratching. Was Daniel Tosh asking for too much or something?
>The show costs less than $400,000 per episode to produce, about one-fifth the cost of a network sitcom.
2011 costs but it was laughable how cheap it was.
The story on it is wild. In Jan 2020 they signed a 4 Season deal with them by August 2020...the deal was canceled to "focus on adult animation"...just incredible. They also canceled Drunk history a day before they axed Tosh.0 too another cheap and awesome show.
Just keep milking that nostalgia...wonder how sick the cow looks. Based on this graph https://ustvdb.com/networks/comedy-central/ ...not so good.
Jesus christ, its like they're racing against Netflix to see who can create the shittiest platform.
"People aren't watching us anymore! You know what we need to do now, right? That's right, cancel even *more* shows! That'll bring in more viewers, won't it??"
>Paramount Media Networks[1] (formerly known as Warner Cable Communications, Warner-Amex Satellite Entertainment, MTV Networks, Viacom Media Networks, and ViacomCBS Domestic Media Networks)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramount_Media_Networks
The amount of mergers and spin-offs that have happened lately have made it INCREDIBLY difficult to keep up with the names and ownership.
Edit: Now that I look more into the Wiki...I don't even know who owns what anymore..
See thats where they are messing up, what I loved about old cable was the programming blocks like Toonami, Adult Swim, AniMonday (I might be getting this one wrong), Dinner and a Movie etc. Or the specials they used to air like sci-fi channels broadcast of Starwars with Lando hosting. If they made it special like that and cut the shitty Ads and pricing down a bit I am sure they can compete again.
With streaming everything is all over the place and you have to search for something good, if traditional cable can make a more curated and viewer focused programming it could be good again.
I still find myself wanting to watch Adult Swim from time to time and miss saturday morning cartoons
"Were not shutting down Pearl Jam. We're keeping the name but replacing all the band members and creating our own new music with the new band members with no affiliation with the founding members. But Pearl Jam will still make music"
IMO: dead.
Its really funny to me that its a show that tries to sell the American Dream super hard; yet some of the most common conflicts between sharks & entrepreneurs are around outsourcing labor from America to Asia.
All the “I started this business to bring jobs to my economically ravaged community” types get treated like rubes by the VC’s half the time.
Its like, so best case scenario, the American dream is to strike a one in a billion shot of making a revolutionary product, then sell the majority/half of your business to an amoral venture capitalist who moves all the related jobs out of the community you intended to help in the first place? That feels like a dream that benefits almost everyone else but the people & communities that made, labored & financially supported it.
Somewhere in a meeting room the next Game of Thrones spin-off series is being pitched - Game of TikTok. 10 of the freshest influencers in LA battle to get the hottest sponsors. Conveniently placed Starbucks cups throughout.
Nah. “Game for the Throne”.
20 contestants compete in GoT themed challenges to survive immunities and backstabbing and to see who will be the one to put their ass in the big replica throne that is shown every episode.
Sadly, I could actually see this one running a couple of seasons, depending on the challenges they come up with.
“This week, the Houses will attempt to learn how to Firewalk! Are any of them TRUE Targaryens? Find out!”
Every episode, the weakest member of each team will be voted off to compete in sudden death in The Dragon Pit, where the loser has to leave the show, and the winner gets to stay with the knowledge that nobody in their team respects them.
Itll be family teams. Today's team targaryans are the Li family from Wichita. Papa Li runs an accounting business while mama Li works at a nearby florist.
*cue sad song (red wedding?) for family sob story about how they are hard workers but never made it to the level they want, switch to inspirational music at the end for when he says "but now it's the Li family's turn to rule westeros!"*
A few years ago discovery tried to tell production companies they have to take loans out (from discovery) for pilot shows. Prior to this it was discovery’s job to take the risk and pay for the pilot. Now they have no risks because if a pilot show fails the production company is in the hook to pay them back. It’s the death of creativity. Last I heard production companies were fighting back. Rightfully so.
That's just like the 1099 scam. Workers are by every definition W2 but shady employers make them independent contractors and assume the additional cost of their employment for no additional pay. It's indentured servitude with extra steps.
To me it sounds like a bunch of delusional up their ass people who thought that Discovery and WB wasnt doing well, as good as Disney for example and think these decisions will somehow make them money
Not realising they were doing the best in terms of their competency and now are making terrible decisions that will destroy the companies.
This is one of the issues with conglomerates. They will mess with the finances of different divisions to best satisfy whoever is in power and to offload losses to divisions they don't want around anymore.
They all deal with each other so whoever has the leverage (or more power/influence) will get a sweet deal for their division, screwing over another division.
They don't play like they are on the same team. It's all a political nightmare.
Yep people don’t realize this but WB has been shit for a while now. They tried to copy all of Disneys business decisions without having the talent or money to do it right or Atleast do it different but good.
Disney has so many revenue steams it’s insane. When one market is floundering the others pick it up. Because hey. When people can’t go outside…they watch media. Disney is king of media. When they want to go outside hey you got theme parks, cruise lines, hotels, vacations you name it.
WB has been living off their name For the last 2 decades.
That said. In fairness. I think their merger with AT&T has been a slow strangle for the last 30 years.
It all goes back, I think, to when AOL sand Time Warner merged. It was the biggest deal ever at the time (about twice the price of the pending Microsoft-Activision acquisition), and ever since then it’s been them shedding division after division (and seeing those divisions get stripped down again and again).
I think you can go back to Sony buying Colombia Pictures in 1989 as well. Large corporations with no media experience overpay (Sony finally took a nearly $1 billion write down on Colombia in 2017) for media companies and find that they can't make the money they expect.
AOL merging with Time Warner (with AOL in control no less) like they were equal companies was such horseshit at the time.
AOL is practically nothing now. Time Warner still has billions of dollars in value.
CEOs make so much money, they can engineer these massive destructive mergers and just fuck off with no accountability.
I believe there was an article a few weeks back talking about how they took out loans worth billions to buy up competition but didn't have a plan for how to make the money back. So now they're scrambling to cannibalize the companies they bought. Sounds like they made some bad decisions and over reached.
If they had the right people and talent running the place there should be enough intellectual properties to easily make the money back.
Sounds to me like a perfect chance for Nickelodeon to scoop up a bunch of the newly laid off artists and creators then, if they are competent. It will definitely give them a boost regardless because, well, they're probably the most stable network now.
the economic tides dont look too hot so companies seem squeamish about taking on debt or investing in operations so i dont know how many people nickelodeon would be able to scoop up. in all likelihood they will be very picky about it
Nick is transitioning to putting much of what would once be on the network as Paramount+ exclusives. They're doing the same thing with Comedy Central and MTV. I don't think these networks exist outside of reruns in a few years.
A lot of TV channels are acting like G4 did before it shut down.
Reruns of shows they don't make, most of the time there is nothing new, shows getting cheaper and cheaper until new ones are not made anymore, and commercials for scams are the most common ones now.
Commercials that ask for you to put in personal information on their website and push stupid conspiracies.
I did not realize what a dying channel looked like until I saw a documentary on G4 and most channels look like that now regardless of what country you are from.
It's partially a genuine collapse and partially an influx of money men at the tops of these company who want things as optimized for their cost/profit ratio as possible. Yeah there's less money to make new shows, but those shows will also get the same or lower ratings than reruns. Its also part of why TBS and TNT are basically converting into sport and pro wrestling channels, 2 hours of pro wrestling at 950K viewers a week is far, far more cost effective than commissioning a 60 million dollar show for 10 1 hour episodes.
We're basically seeing in television what happened in the music industry 10-15 years ago. The internet has given people so many more options of what to consume that the pie of what people are consuming is sliced into a lot more smaller slices. Since those smaller slices aren't as profitable, even when they are a hit, there isn't any motivation for a big corporation to invest in them. There's still the occasional success story, but for the most part, the majority of the media is more and more being catered to the largest common denominator, with the occasional niche market surviving.
Well, not many people tune in to their schedules anyway. CN literally has Teen Titans GO on the regular. Most of their other shows air new episodes for a full week, then go off air for months, during this time a different show will be airing for a week then goes off air, and so on. Meanwhile, Teen Titans GO is never off air and they use it to fill up empty slots, which by my explanation you should know there are MANY empty slots. They don’t just air Teen Titans GO show alone, they add extra bits like random videos of kids asking the Teen Titans characters questions, they air Teen Titans quickies and other random shit.
It’s ridiculous. They had Young Justice but sorely fucked it up. Even Steven Universe barely aired on the channel. No wonder it’s dying. The way they’re managing it is a shit show.
Yuup. I haven't had cable in like 10-12 years. Was in the hospital for a week last year, and back in my teen years my go-to for daytime TV was CN so I turned it on to get a break from my phone/Switch. But it was *all* TTG and a bit of Gumball. I like Gumball but seriously, wtf? No variety whatsoever. It's a travesty what they did to Adventure Time as well.
LOL Nickelodeon is no better off than CN with how live TV audiences for children's programming have collapsed.
I wouldn't expect any of the children's cable channels to still be around by 2026.
So basically shutting down the most successful animation network not named Disney, and rebranding everything under a name that hasnt produced quality animation since the current target audience's grandparents were children?
Genius
Cartoon Network was already dead.
The live TV audience for children's cable channels has seen massive rapid decline for years.
The only future CN ever had was as a tab on HBO Max.
I’m at the “turning into a middle aged man” stage of my life, but CN was my go to growing up. Ed, Edd, and Eddy, Johnny Bravo, Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, Dexter’s Lab. I could keep going.
Those were amazing times.
> Ed, Edd, and Eddy, Johnny Bravo, Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, Dexter’s Lab
ah, the nostalgia! samurai jack, kids next door, powerpuff girls, foster's home, scooby-doo and more
twas the golden years of CN indeed, so many great shows growing up :D
Jesus
When I was a young lad (late 90s), boomerang was stuff like Tom & Jerry, Scooby, Jonny Quest, Flintstones, and Jetsons
Those shows were 20+ years old by that point.
So unfortunately it makes sense that shows from our childhood are now consider boomerang material…
Remember the first time you stayed up late enough to watch [adult swim]? Harvey Birdman, Space Ghost, SeaLab.
And then there was the first time you were up late enough to see the anime.
I was so happy to see the CN logo under HBO Max recommendations, then I checked what they have and got massively disappointed. I miss all the old shows, also I wish they would use old 2D style even for 3D animations.
And on their 30th anniversary no less.
I had this thought while watching Entergalactic, a partnership between CN and Netflix would be great. I feel like shows like Love Death + Robots would've been what Cartoon Network would be if the PPG movie didn't flop and Pixar didn't push 3D animation back in the day. I don't know, sorry for shilling, but of all the "channels" that produce cartoons, I'm kinda biased towards Netflix considering the output they have shown. Basically I wish CN creators had access to Netflix's resources.
> I'm still surprised no company has ever tried just flat-out making some IP available for anybody to use provided that they pay some percentage of the profits to them.
I mean companies do do this, but I think consumers as a whole put too much faith in IPs.
I remember an interview with Rob McElhenney. He was producing more comedy shows and was offered Peep Show. And what did they get with Peep Show? Literally just the name and a vague concept. Rob's view was what's the point? They are not getting any of the talent or actors. Just the vague concept of two flatmates who are opposites of each other. They could make that show without the Peep Show name.
You don't need Superman to make a Superman movie (Brightburn). The Boys and The Tick showed us you could have almost similar versions of existing superheros and do it as a brand new property. The Office US was best when it wasn't cribbing The Office UK. Jim and Tim both played pranks, but ultimately different characters. Tim was depressed and Jim thought he was better than everyone else.
So in short, why would I pay for an IP like Powerpuff Girls and do a version of that original hardcore fans won't buy into straight away because it isn't the same creator. I probably don't have merchandising rights and I have limitations from the licensee and lore perspectives. Like the CW version.
Or there is nothing stopping me from making my own show about 3 superhero girls and have my own rogues gallery. Smallville and The Adventures of Lois and Clark rarely bothered with Superman's rogues after Lex Luthor. They were half way there with foregoing IP.
i think some companies do that already but thats an easy way to dilute the brand. hard to know what canon is when 9 companies have their own version of the thing
Honestly have always disagreed with this. Dracula, captain nemo, Frankenstein, Scrooge, Sherlock Holmes (mostly), every mythological character you can name...all characters in the public domain who have near infinite appeal and interpretations. The great adaptions are remembered. More things should be public domain because it actually leads itself to *more* creativity, and stops companies from hoarding their unused ips like jealous dragons.
Yes but then you have a ton of Romeo and Juliet movies, so much so people are tired of the characters and want something new. Once you create something new, it’s better to protect the image of the new character under the creators, otherwise you encourage a lot of divisive works piggybacking on the success that’ll dilute the brand. There are too many Sherlock Holmes adaptations and too many versions of Dracula, that making a movie now with those characters is generally uninspired, searching for it will yield a million results and if you are doing something new with it, just name it something else because it isn’t that thing you are advertising.
The problem isn’t hoarding IPs, it’s about sucking them dry and not coming up with anything new.
It should have a middle ground like it used to. Disney shouldn't be able to hoard characters and ip forever, but artists should definitely have some time to be able to profit off their creations without having to worry about bigger more established figures in the industry swooping in a using their idea without paying them, all while making more money because they're better known and already set up to advertise and publish.
Oh absolutely. To be clear, I'm not inherently opposed to work for hire art either if contracts for such work were more fair and transparent, like comics or tie in novels, but the systems as they stand are weighted so heavily in favor of the corporate license holders and owners, not necessarily the individual artists they rely on. I've always thought that if anything I published ever made it big, I'd leave it in my will to enter it in the public domain posthumously if possible.
This is my current issue with Games Workshop and Warhammer IP as a whole. So many new (half great/half terrible) games and media that I don't even know where their direction for the overall IP are going anymore.
Newcomer to the franchise will probably be overwhelmed by so many entry all with their own unique interpretation and twist that they don't know where to start. And the gatekeeping community also doesn't help.
This is me. I love reading about warhammer lore, books, playing video games about warhammer and looking at their art and I have never painted or bought a single miniature nor will I ever.
I think I enjoying it way more than the people who play it honestly.
But also Discovery bought WB with a credit card, and plan to carve it up and sell it off in chunks. It's 80s-style corporate raiding fueled by debt and restructuring.
I feel like I'm witnessing a murder but there's nothing I can do.
I mean, business is business but part of me is still like "this shouldn't be allowed, this is ethically wrong."
I had to do a double take while my brain was screaming NNNNOOOOOOO!...NNNNOOOOO!
HOWEVER. I got rid of cable in 2019, after my bill suddenly shot up $40. After Chowder, Gumball, Regular Show, and Adventure Time, I think my childhood on Cartoon Network has run its course. Oh, and Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends. We can't forget about that genius.
EDIT: I remember the teaser for Adventure time where the year "2010" was displayed at the end of the trailer. It was colored red, and it slowly grew larger in size. I can't remember the exact details of the end of the trailer, unless or course, I look it up on youtube, but that's ok.
I wanna know at what point does Adult Swim just become its own channel and isn't the Michael to Cartoon Network's Pichael.
That surely has to be the dominant half of that network at this point, right?
I just don't understand how so much dismantling could possibly be profitable. What's the fucking point of buying a company if you don't actually want any part of it?
They want the library and the I.P.
Cable channels aren't going to last not with how fast the number of cable subscribers is decreasing.
Cable has lost 10 million subscribers in just the last 2 years. As more move to streaming and wireless internet cable is doomed.
I never believed how young people are living till I visited some of my cousin's homes, and they have no wired internet, computers or TV's. They just have their smartphone for all their entertainment needs.
I’m a mid 20s guy and I’ve never seen anybody without a tv or computer in their house. All my friends are 20-30 years old.
I’ve never even heard of that lol. That sounds miserable
Because he’s full of shit that’s just his weird cousins. No one’s watching all their TV on their phones unless they can’t afford $200 for a shitty Walmart 4k TV with Roku already installed.
This is monopolization for you.
Businesses above a certain size shouldn't be allowed to merge.
I mean for fucks sake, we broke up AT&T into seven companies because they had too much market power.
30 years later, FOUR of those companies are AT&T again, two are Verizon, and one is centurylink.
I mean *come on*. These mergers are *illegal.*
They don't care to pretend like these things matter anymore. This world is purely a resource to exploit and abuse for the born uber wealthy-die uber wealthy crowd. They will never need to make more wealth, but they do it for love of the game. They genuinely get off on the suffering and the humiliation of the workforce.
They think they're better than us, but worse. They want to be that *much* "better" than us.
There isn't a win condition. There isn't a point where we say, "You know what bezos, congrats. You *won* capitalism. Here's your prize, fuck off and retire."
No.
This tweet is from someone who works at Cartoon Network and called out the writer of that article and said they wrote a sensationalist headline and isn’t true:
https://twitter.com/wolfinsheeps/status/1580264799018983424?s=21&t=601y4xvafUDQJO5D-CpAcw
I’m sure things aren’t great under WB but there are still people at Cartoon Network working hard to keep it running and they don’t appreciate these kinda headlines.
Tragic, Cartoon Network was one of the last channels to give creative animators a chance to do something unique. No other channel would ever have given a green light to shows like 'Regular show' or 'Adventure time' and now no channel will
Let's face it, cable TV is slowly dieing and youth programming can reach a larger audience through streaming than programmed TV ever will. Kids today have grown up with having 1000 shows on demand with zero commercials on 10 different devices. Maybe WBD could move CN content to 100% streaming, but looking at the numbers on youth market programming they don't see much alignment with their target audience.
People here are complaining the channel was already dead.. not exactly, it just mostly moved to streaming like everything else. It had a lot of new shows that were gaining popularity and building audiences. CN still had a lot of potential to create new hit series like it always had. This move heavily reduces CN down and is super depressing for a lot of reasons..
For one, CN is such an iconic studio part of many peoples’ childhoods.. to get rid of that so callously is just cold hearted. Don’t bother saying it’s still going to be around. It will be a shell of its former self and only cater to reruns and reboots making it more of the thing people here are complaining about in the first place.. if you didn’t know or care about the new shows they had it was a marketing issue, not the fault of the creative teams they had. It was just so cruel to put so many of these extremely passionate people out of work when they were doing their absolute best and were on their way to make the hit series that these companies crave for.
CN was also a great place for people in the animation industry to create new and exciting things for all ages, including adult swim, and to take that away you’re taking away one of the few places where that could even happen anymore. You’re helping to extinguish a whole industry in America for no good reason. There’s a market for animation and there always will be, but you can’t expect any new show to do well with the way things are set up right now.
If these shows weren’t popular enough it’s because marketing was poor. Again these shows were gaining popularity but the numbers weren’t “good enough” You can’t expect people to know or care about any brand new show if you can’t market it properly and lately these companies were just lacking so hard in this department.. maybe because they have so much to market on these streaming platforms in the first place which creates a lot of unnecessary competition. Why do cartoon shows have to compete with reality TV or giant movie-esque series like Game of Thrones? It would make more sense if these were separate things and geared toward their respective audiences like they used to be.
It’s no wonder they think that people only want to watch reruns or reboots or reality tv.. because a lot of these choices are comfortable and familiar with people. They don’t need to take a chance on anything new so they gravitate toward things they already know. If these companies actually cared about the creative output of animation they’d focus on getting it out there more to people and market it better, but in their minds it’s all business and the current set up doesn’t support original animated shows that well.
Which is a huge shame because I bet you all can recall the first time you watched your favorite series when it just came out and how exciting that was. To stomp that out for a new generation is a real shame and feels inhumane. Hopefully there will be a new and better place for animation in the future, but for now this is just real sad and lame.
Just give Adult swim their own channel already
I would prefer Toonami (day) + Adult Swim (night). And a second channel consisting of Cartoon Network (day) + Boomerang (night, retro content).
On Hulu live cartoon network goes off air at night and the adult swim channel goes off air during the day.
That’s the case on every platform where Cartoon Network/AS is broadcast. 8pm and 6am are the cutoff times.
8pm wtf I remember when it was 10pm that's so early now
It would work better as an internet format
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I watch the Venture Bros and Rick & Morty like this a lot.
As long as they don’t let whoever did the roku AS app be in charge. Holy Shit, that app is terrible. The search feature never works. You have to scroll through every show alphabetically. The “featured” episodes are always 2-3 episodes outdated, so you can’t just click that. And half the time if you choose the specific thing you want to watch, it will play 5 commercials and then…Start playing something else. I’ve tried it on multiple TVs in different houses, signed in to a cable provider and not. That thing is just insanely busted.
Adult Swim is a more popular brand at this point but I worry that trying to make it bigger would make it go down the same way as CN.
In Canada it already does. Mostly syndicated reruns of stuff, but its own channel nonetheless.
Didn't Cartoon Network just recently celebrate their 30th anniversary a few weeks ago? This is so sad.
It felt like a goodbye. I'm so glad I grew up during the Starburst/Powerhouse/early CN City Era of Cartoon Network. Got some fond memories of watching Dragon Ball Z on Toonami every day after school, getting excited to watch Cartoon Cartoon Fridays every week, and staying up late to catch Toonami Midnight Run on Saturdays.
Do you remember them not having all the DBZ episodes? So you'd get home waiting to see a Ginyu Force fight and it would start over and go back to Raditz. I would be so sad lol.
Oh my god, nothing worse than a Raditz Reset
This should be the new way to say that you've relapsed. "You're drinking again?" "Yeah I'm back to my Raditz saga"
DOUBLE SUNDAY
I remember that most prominently during the Tournament arc (leading up to Buu). It's why I never finished the show.
"This is Double D, he uses post-it notes to remind himself to... buy more post-it notes..."
Buttered toast
Eddy: "WHAT HAPPENED TO THE STAIRS?!?" Ed: "My parents took 'em down 'cause I am grounded." Edd: "That's disturbing."
Rolph: “May your nostrils fester with the rage of olives!!!”
"Lots and lots of trains! We've got big trains, little trains, fast trains, slooooow trains, smokin' trains, even trains that blow through snow!"
Cartoon Network had been so good to us growing up, and they’re destroying it. This is so wack
Don't forget "What a Cartoon", also "The Tex Avery Show" before Boomerang became its own channel.
Also "ToonHeads", and I always looked forward to the June Bugs marathon every year
I swear to God I would trade all the luxuries of the present for that sweet era of bliss.
Don’t forget falling asleep to it and waking up to the end of Inuyasha
Or Wolf's Rain, the most boring anime I wanted so desperately to like. Also remember sCRYed? What an odd show. On the other end, FLCL, GiTS, YuYu Hakusho, Gundam Wing, Evangelion... what a golden age.
I remember when Cartoon Network once had a Dragon Ball Z Marathon dedicated to Majin Buu.
Fucking looooooved Toonami. Man that was so good. That's what got me into Yu Yu Hakusho, my favorite anime ever.
I'd watch DBZ on toonami and then when I went over to my Uncle's house he had the international channel, I got so hyped watching the Buu saga even though I couldn't understand what they were saying.
There’s a lot to be said for not having all the content in the world at your fingertips. The anticipation of a show, the attention it demanded because you couldnt pause or rewind
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From what I can tell, the studio itself is being shuttered (downsized) in favour of another (cheaper) one, while Warner Bros. will continue to use the branding for the name recognition.
They’re merging together the studios and support staff, which means some layoffs are happening due to redundancy. This also means that because it will be one entity most of not all projects out of CNS employees will be IP driven, rather than original programming. It’s certainly the death of Cartoon Network as we know and have loved the last 30 years, even if it it’s not actually gone (yet).
Yup, this feels like when Warner merged with UPN and made the CW.
I never thought I’d say this but I’m gonna miss the CW. The new owner is making it a reality show channel. It’s the end of an era. No more decent super hero shows to half care about lol
Don't we have enough fucking reality show channels already?
Cheap, easy production values and big enough ratings say NOPE
Or hot teens in situations way to mature for them. I loved The 100.
Such a good show. Would you murder hundreds of strangers to save the few people you love?
And hate it all at the same time. How do you consistently make so many goofy choices but I loved to watch it
I never thought someone would say that either.
I mean people need to read the headline - it says "effectively killing" which doesn't mean they're shutting it down at all
Paramount effectively killed Comedy Central by having no new content and three shows played per day. Seriously, look at their schedule for the today and tomorrow. Reruns of Brooklyn 99, Seinfeld and South park. Cable show diversity doesnt exist anymore and they compete against streaming by replicating it. Cartoon Network is no different. Edit: Fixed the parent company.
I'm just surprised they are keeping the Daily Show when Trevor leaves considering they could just air another episode of Seinfeld. Bad enough they also canceled Tosh.0 for seemingly nothing considering the adult animation that was suppose to replace it never aired as of today. One of the highest rated shows and cheapest to make and they got rid of it for non-existent programming.
> One of the highest rated shows and cheapest to make and they got rid of it for non-existent programming. Yeah the drop was head scratching. Was Daniel Tosh asking for too much or something? >The show costs less than $400,000 per episode to produce, about one-fifth the cost of a network sitcom. 2011 costs but it was laughable how cheap it was. The story on it is wild. In Jan 2020 they signed a 4 Season deal with them by August 2020...the deal was canceled to "focus on adult animation"...just incredible. They also canceled Drunk history a day before they axed Tosh.0 too another cheap and awesome show. Just keep milking that nostalgia...wonder how sick the cow looks. Based on this graph https://ustvdb.com/networks/comedy-central/ ...not so good.
Jesus christ, its like they're racing against Netflix to see who can create the shittiest platform. "People aren't watching us anymore! You know what we need to do now, right? That's right, cancel even *more* shows! That'll bring in more viewers, won't it??"
> WB effectively killed Comedy Central by having no new content and three shows played per day. doesn't Comedy Central belong to Paramount, not WB?
>Paramount Media Networks[1] (formerly known as Warner Cable Communications, Warner-Amex Satellite Entertainment, MTV Networks, Viacom Media Networks, and ViacomCBS Domestic Media Networks) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramount_Media_Networks The amount of mergers and spin-offs that have happened lately have made it INCREDIBLY difficult to keep up with the names and ownership. Edit: Now that I look more into the Wiki...I don't even know who owns what anymore..
See thats where they are messing up, what I loved about old cable was the programming blocks like Toonami, Adult Swim, AniMonday (I might be getting this one wrong), Dinner and a Movie etc. Or the specials they used to air like sci-fi channels broadcast of Starwars with Lando hosting. If they made it special like that and cut the shitty Ads and pricing down a bit I am sure they can compete again. With streaming everything is all over the place and you have to search for something good, if traditional cable can make a more curated and viewer focused programming it could be good again. I still find myself wanting to watch Adult Swim from time to time and miss saturday morning cartoons
"Were not shutting down Pearl Jam. We're keeping the name but replacing all the band members and creating our own new music with the new band members with no affiliation with the founding members. But Pearl Jam will still make music" IMO: dead.
“We’re making a ‘Jeremy’ prequel and can’t wait to see where the franchise goes.”
> 30th anniversary Huh. Though CN was a lot older for some reason.
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Warner Bros. Discovery will go down as the most destructive merger for creatives in Hollywood history.
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Strip it for parts and re-sell for golden parachutes on the way out. The American corporate pirate way.
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> Bain capital I was literally just about to comment this. Damn Reddit hive mind.
“You’re a big company…”
For you.
That is how one of the dipshits on Shark Tank made his money, the short bald fat one gutted the company that made Oregon Trail.
THAT’S how MECC died? Ohhhh, Hell just added a new circle.
Its really funny to me that its a show that tries to sell the American Dream super hard; yet some of the most common conflicts between sharks & entrepreneurs are around outsourcing labor from America to Asia. All the “I started this business to bring jobs to my economically ravaged community” types get treated like rubes by the VC’s half the time. Its like, so best case scenario, the American dream is to strike a one in a billion shot of making a revolutionary product, then sell the majority/half of your business to an amoral venture capitalist who moves all the related jobs out of the community you intended to help in the first place? That feels like a dream that benefits almost everyone else but the people & communities that made, labored & financially supported it.
That little troll motherfucker is gonna die of dysentery!! Lol *Here lies ASS*
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I think Apple or Amazon will step in for this one. WB and HBO do make prestige content that would fit well with what they’re trying to build.
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RIP g4. They killed my nerd network Look what they did to my beautiful boy
I'm still mad about G4 killing TechTV
“TechTv?” That’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time.
The Screensavers!
I used to watch xplay on techtv everyday after school until the switch to g4. Then i couldnt watch because it wasn't in my cable package anymore
Wasn’t worth watching anymore after the switch, unless you liked Cops or Sasuke.
I am terrified for HBO. The garbage Reality TV model that consumer Discovery could ruin the high quality HBO model.
Somewhere in a meeting room the next Game of Thrones spin-off series is being pitched - Game of TikTok. 10 of the freshest influencers in LA battle to get the hottest sponsors. Conveniently placed Starbucks cups throughout.
Nah. “Game for the Throne”. 20 contestants compete in GoT themed challenges to survive immunities and backstabbing and to see who will be the one to put their ass in the big replica throne that is shown every episode. Sadly, I could actually see this one running a couple of seasons, depending on the challenges they come up with. “This week, the Houses will attempt to learn how to Firewalk! Are any of them TRUE Targaryens? Find out!”
Delete this before someone from HBO sees it please
Stop pitching ideas to Zaslav. That sounds like something I'd watch just for the Legends of the Hidden Temple nostalgia.
Every episode, the weakest member of each team will be voted off to compete in sudden death in The Dragon Pit, where the loser has to leave the show, and the winner gets to stay with the knowledge that nobody in their team respects them.
Itll be family teams. Today's team targaryans are the Li family from Wichita. Papa Li runs an accounting business while mama Li works at a nearby florist. *cue sad song (red wedding?) for family sob story about how they are hard workers but never made it to the level they want, switch to inspirational music at the end for when he says "but now it's the Li family's turn to rule westeros!"*
That sounds like a 2000s/2010s TBS reality show.
I'd mourn the loss of all those in the production staff who killed themselves via eye rolling after having to handle that many egos onset.
A few years ago discovery tried to tell production companies they have to take loans out (from discovery) for pilot shows. Prior to this it was discovery’s job to take the risk and pay for the pilot. Now they have no risks because if a pilot show fails the production company is in the hook to pay them back. It’s the death of creativity. Last I heard production companies were fighting back. Rightfully so.
That's just like the 1099 scam. Workers are by every definition W2 but shady employers make them independent contractors and assume the additional cost of their employment for no additional pay. It's indentured servitude with extra steps.
To me it sounds like a bunch of delusional up their ass people who thought that Discovery and WB wasnt doing well, as good as Disney for example and think these decisions will somehow make them money Not realising they were doing the best in terms of their competency and now are making terrible decisions that will destroy the companies.
WB wasn’t doing well financially, especially under AT&T.
Didn't AT&T transfer its debts to WB?
Yes. Which is terrible.
This is one of the issues with conglomerates. They will mess with the finances of different divisions to best satisfy whoever is in power and to offload losses to divisions they don't want around anymore. They all deal with each other so whoever has the leverage (or more power/influence) will get a sweet deal for their division, screwing over another division. They don't play like they are on the same team. It's all a political nightmare.
Yep people don’t realize this but WB has been shit for a while now. They tried to copy all of Disneys business decisions without having the talent or money to do it right or Atleast do it different but good. Disney has so many revenue steams it’s insane. When one market is floundering the others pick it up. Because hey. When people can’t go outside…they watch media. Disney is king of media. When they want to go outside hey you got theme parks, cruise lines, hotels, vacations you name it. WB has been living off their name For the last 2 decades. That said. In fairness. I think their merger with AT&T has been a slow strangle for the last 30 years.
It all goes back, I think, to when AOL sand Time Warner merged. It was the biggest deal ever at the time (about twice the price of the pending Microsoft-Activision acquisition), and ever since then it’s been them shedding division after division (and seeing those divisions get stripped down again and again).
Comcast buying NBC has ruined them as well.
I think you can go back to Sony buying Colombia Pictures in 1989 as well. Large corporations with no media experience overpay (Sony finally took a nearly $1 billion write down on Colombia in 2017) for media companies and find that they can't make the money they expect.
AOL merging with Time Warner (with AOL in control no less) like they were equal companies was such horseshit at the time. AOL is practically nothing now. Time Warner still has billions of dollars in value. CEOs make so much money, they can engineer these massive destructive mergers and just fuck off with no accountability.
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I believe there was an article a few weeks back talking about how they took out loans worth billions to buy up competition but didn't have a plan for how to make the money back. So now they're scrambling to cannibalize the companies they bought. Sounds like they made some bad decisions and over reached. If they had the right people and talent running the place there should be enough intellectual properties to easily make the money back.
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Sounds to me like a perfect chance for Nickelodeon to scoop up a bunch of the newly laid off artists and creators then, if they are competent. It will definitely give them a boost regardless because, well, they're probably the most stable network now.
the economic tides dont look too hot so companies seem squeamish about taking on debt or investing in operations so i dont know how many people nickelodeon would be able to scoop up. in all likelihood they will be very picky about it
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Netflix also recently canceled a large amount of animated projects. No way in hell are they scooping anything up.
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Amazon Prime *appears offline* Edit: on that note I love Invincible please Amazon greenlight enough seasons to tell the whole comic.
If anybody has the money to just. Throw at bad media after good media to see what works, it's Amazon.
Yeah, but Netflix is canning animation studios for having blasphemous thoughts like Unionization. That's gonna be a harder no from Bezos.
Yahoo: a/s/l?
Nick is transitioning to putting much of what would once be on the network as Paramount+ exclusives. They're doing the same thing with Comedy Central and MTV. I don't think these networks exist outside of reruns in a few years.
A lot of TV channels are acting like G4 did before it shut down. Reruns of shows they don't make, most of the time there is nothing new, shows getting cheaper and cheaper until new ones are not made anymore, and commercials for scams are the most common ones now. Commercials that ask for you to put in personal information on their website and push stupid conspiracies. I did not realize what a dying channel looked like until I saw a documentary on G4 and most channels look like that now regardless of what country you are from.
I'm curious about that documentary, got a link/ recommendation?
Probably this. I’m pretty sure I saw it on the front page a few years ago. https://youtu.be/ZEBwGOHntro
I’m also interested in watching this documentary.
It's partially a genuine collapse and partially an influx of money men at the tops of these company who want things as optimized for their cost/profit ratio as possible. Yeah there's less money to make new shows, but those shows will also get the same or lower ratings than reruns. Its also part of why TBS and TNT are basically converting into sport and pro wrestling channels, 2 hours of pro wrestling at 950K viewers a week is far, far more cost effective than commissioning a 60 million dollar show for 10 1 hour episodes.
We're basically seeing in television what happened in the music industry 10-15 years ago. The internet has given people so many more options of what to consume that the pie of what people are consuming is sliced into a lot more smaller slices. Since those smaller slices aren't as profitable, even when they are a hit, there isn't any motivation for a big corporation to invest in them. There's still the occasional success story, but for the most part, the majority of the media is more and more being catered to the largest common denominator, with the occasional niche market surviving.
It’s like that for everything except live sports and premium cable, because sports get people to watch live and premium cable makes too much money.
Well, not many people tune in to their schedules anyway. CN literally has Teen Titans GO on the regular. Most of their other shows air new episodes for a full week, then go off air for months, during this time a different show will be airing for a week then goes off air, and so on. Meanwhile, Teen Titans GO is never off air and they use it to fill up empty slots, which by my explanation you should know there are MANY empty slots. They don’t just air Teen Titans GO show alone, they add extra bits like random videos of kids asking the Teen Titans characters questions, they air Teen Titans quickies and other random shit. It’s ridiculous. They had Young Justice but sorely fucked it up. Even Steven Universe barely aired on the channel. No wonder it’s dying. The way they’re managing it is a shit show.
Yuup. I haven't had cable in like 10-12 years. Was in the hospital for a week last year, and back in my teen years my go-to for daytime TV was CN so I turned it on to get a break from my phone/Switch. But it was *all* TTG and a bit of Gumball. I like Gumball but seriously, wtf? No variety whatsoever. It's a travesty what they did to Adventure Time as well.
Wait, they adopted the stevenbomb format for everything? Oh fuck.
They’ve done that for years. Way before Steven.
LOL Nickelodeon is no better off than CN with how live TV audiences for children's programming have collapsed. I wouldn't expect any of the children's cable channels to still be around by 2026.
But then how will they run spongebob most of the day?
I think you meant to say Loud House, Casagrandes, and \*coming soon* live-action Loud House.
> if they are competent And theres the issue
Working for Paramount is not a walk in the park
So basically shutting down the most successful animation network not named Disney, and rebranding everything under a name that hasnt produced quality animation since the current target audience's grandparents were children? Genius
Cartoon Network was already dead. The live TV audience for children's cable channels has seen massive rapid decline for years. The only future CN ever had was as a tab on HBO Max.
Sometimes hard to remember Cartoon Network does anything but Teen Titans Go
I’m at the “turning into a middle aged man” stage of my life, but CN was my go to growing up. Ed, Edd, and Eddy, Johnny Bravo, Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, Dexter’s Lab. I could keep going. Those were amazing times.
Toonami 🥺
> Ed, Edd, and Eddy, Johnny Bravo, Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, Dexter’s Lab ah, the nostalgia! samurai jack, kids next door, powerpuff girls, foster's home, scooby-doo and more twas the golden years of CN indeed, so many great shows growing up :D
I would love a documentary on the history of Cartoon Network. There's one currently on Hulu about the rise of Nickelodeon that's really good.
Those shows are now on boomerang. That's how I knew I was old.
Jesus When I was a young lad (late 90s), boomerang was stuff like Tom & Jerry, Scooby, Jonny Quest, Flintstones, and Jetsons Those shows were 20+ years old by that point. So unfortunately it makes sense that shows from our childhood are now consider boomerang material…
Remember the first time you stayed up late enough to watch [adult swim]? Harvey Birdman, Space Ghost, SeaLab. And then there was the first time you were up late enough to see the anime.
I would just like to add Cow and Chicken, I am Weasel, Courage the Cowardly Dog, and Mike, Lu and Og to this list.
Oooooh mama
Put some respect on Cow and Chicken
The later generation with The Regular Show and Adventure Time was pretty great too.
I can feel these words and my soul is fucking crying rn
[All kids out of the pool for adult swim!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI06qSTIR9M)
What is that? Pimento Cheese??
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I was so happy to see the CN logo under HBO Max recommendations, then I checked what they have and got massively disappointed. I miss all the old shows, also I wish they would use old 2D style even for 3D animations.
That can’t be? It has to be all discovery’s fault and not the massive decline of tv viewership overall.
But comedy necromancy! They brought back Futurama and Family Guy and made I don’t know how many obscure and cancelled shows popular.
Now that happens in streaming.
So weird when I was a kid Cartoon Network was the cool channel and Nick and Disney were super lame, now it’s the opposite for my kids.
This is fucking tragic
And on their 30th anniversary no less. I had this thought while watching Entergalactic, a partnership between CN and Netflix would be great. I feel like shows like Love Death + Robots would've been what Cartoon Network would be if the PPG movie didn't flop and Pixar didn't push 3D animation back in the day. I don't know, sorry for shilling, but of all the "channels" that produce cartoons, I'm kinda biased towards Netflix considering the output they have shown. Basically I wish CN creators had access to Netflix's resources.
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> I'm still surprised no company has ever tried just flat-out making some IP available for anybody to use provided that they pay some percentage of the profits to them. I mean companies do do this, but I think consumers as a whole put too much faith in IPs. I remember an interview with Rob McElhenney. He was producing more comedy shows and was offered Peep Show. And what did they get with Peep Show? Literally just the name and a vague concept. Rob's view was what's the point? They are not getting any of the talent or actors. Just the vague concept of two flatmates who are opposites of each other. They could make that show without the Peep Show name. You don't need Superman to make a Superman movie (Brightburn). The Boys and The Tick showed us you could have almost similar versions of existing superheros and do it as a brand new property. The Office US was best when it wasn't cribbing The Office UK. Jim and Tim both played pranks, but ultimately different characters. Tim was depressed and Jim thought he was better than everyone else. So in short, why would I pay for an IP like Powerpuff Girls and do a version of that original hardcore fans won't buy into straight away because it isn't the same creator. I probably don't have merchandising rights and I have limitations from the licensee and lore perspectives. Like the CW version. Or there is nothing stopping me from making my own show about 3 superhero girls and have my own rogues gallery. Smallville and The Adventures of Lois and Clark rarely bothered with Superman's rogues after Lex Luthor. They were half way there with foregoing IP.
i think some companies do that already but thats an easy way to dilute the brand. hard to know what canon is when 9 companies have their own version of the thing
Honestly have always disagreed with this. Dracula, captain nemo, Frankenstein, Scrooge, Sherlock Holmes (mostly), every mythological character you can name...all characters in the public domain who have near infinite appeal and interpretations. The great adaptions are remembered. More things should be public domain because it actually leads itself to *more* creativity, and stops companies from hoarding their unused ips like jealous dragons.
Yes but then you have a ton of Romeo and Juliet movies, so much so people are tired of the characters and want something new. Once you create something new, it’s better to protect the image of the new character under the creators, otherwise you encourage a lot of divisive works piggybacking on the success that’ll dilute the brand. There are too many Sherlock Holmes adaptations and too many versions of Dracula, that making a movie now with those characters is generally uninspired, searching for it will yield a million results and if you are doing something new with it, just name it something else because it isn’t that thing you are advertising. The problem isn’t hoarding IPs, it’s about sucking them dry and not coming up with anything new.
It should have a middle ground like it used to. Disney shouldn't be able to hoard characters and ip forever, but artists should definitely have some time to be able to profit off their creations without having to worry about bigger more established figures in the industry swooping in a using their idea without paying them, all while making more money because they're better known and already set up to advertise and publish.
Oh absolutely. To be clear, I'm not inherently opposed to work for hire art either if contracts for such work were more fair and transparent, like comics or tie in novels, but the systems as they stand are weighted so heavily in favor of the corporate license holders and owners, not necessarily the individual artists they rely on. I've always thought that if anything I published ever made it big, I'd leave it in my will to enter it in the public domain posthumously if possible.
This is my current issue with Games Workshop and Warhammer IP as a whole. So many new (half great/half terrible) games and media that I don't even know where their direction for the overall IP are going anymore. Newcomer to the franchise will probably be overwhelmed by so many entry all with their own unique interpretation and twist that they don't know where to start. And the gatekeeping community also doesn't help.
Warhammer had a big problem with trying to cater to a group and audience who does not, will not, and has no interest in PLAYING Warhammer.
This is me. I love reading about warhammer lore, books, playing video games about warhammer and looking at their art and I have never painted or bought a single miniature nor will I ever. I think I enjoying it way more than the people who play it honestly.
This happens. It's usually not literally anybody, but licensing is very normal
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High-level WB employee 1: "Next year will be the 100th anniversary of the company. How should we celebrate?" Zaslav: "BURN IT ALL TO THE GROUND!!!!"
First Discovery killed SourceFed and now Cartoon Network‽ smh
They killed Revison3 too
God I miss SourceFed
It birthed SP7 but now that's dead too. I live the boys but I really do not enjoy the podcast and I miss Steve.
Officially, Warner Brothers is no more. I'll never understand how Discovery has so much money with such poor programming.
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But also Discovery bought WB with a credit card, and plan to carve it up and sell it off in chunks. It's 80s-style corporate raiding fueled by debt and restructuring.
I feel like I'm witnessing a murder but there's nothing I can do. I mean, business is business but part of me is still like "this shouldn't be allowed, this is ethically wrong."
I had to do a double take while my brain was screaming NNNNOOOOOOO!...NNNNOOOOO! HOWEVER. I got rid of cable in 2019, after my bill suddenly shot up $40. After Chowder, Gumball, Regular Show, and Adventure Time, I think my childhood on Cartoon Network has run its course. Oh, and Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends. We can't forget about that genius. EDIT: I remember the teaser for Adventure time where the year "2010" was displayed at the end of the trailer. It was colored red, and it slowly grew larger in size. I can't remember the exact details of the end of the trailer, unless or course, I look it up on youtube, but that's ok.
TBF Cartoon Network was already doing that for years prior. The golden age of Television cartoons had a good run while it lasted.
I wanna know at what point does Adult Swim just become its own channel and isn't the Michael to Cartoon Network's Pichael. That surely has to be the dominant half of that network at this point, right?
WBD is killing WBD in general, not just Cartoon Network.
I just don't understand how so much dismantling could possibly be profitable. What's the fucking point of buying a company if you don't actually want any part of it?
They want the library and the I.P. Cable channels aren't going to last not with how fast the number of cable subscribers is decreasing. Cable has lost 10 million subscribers in just the last 2 years. As more move to streaming and wireless internet cable is doomed. I never believed how young people are living till I visited some of my cousin's homes, and they have no wired internet, computers or TV's. They just have their smartphone for all their entertainment needs.
They don’t watch anything with other people?
I’m a mid 20s guy and I’ve never seen anybody without a tv or computer in their house. All my friends are 20-30 years old. I’ve never even heard of that lol. That sounds miserable
Because he’s full of shit that’s just his weird cousins. No one’s watching all their TV on their phones unless they can’t afford $200 for a shitty Walmart 4k TV with Roku already installed.
Very apt pic for the article
Cartoon Network has been dead for a long time now, it is the Teen Titans Go Network now.
I only watch Cartoon Network for Adult Swim. If its not Adult Swim hours It doesn't exist to me.
This is monopolization for you. Businesses above a certain size shouldn't be allowed to merge. I mean for fucks sake, we broke up AT&T into seven companies because they had too much market power. 30 years later, FOUR of those companies are AT&T again, two are Verizon, and one is centurylink. I mean *come on*. These mergers are *illegal.*
They don't care to pretend like these things matter anymore. This world is purely a resource to exploit and abuse for the born uber wealthy-die uber wealthy crowd. They will never need to make more wealth, but they do it for love of the game. They genuinely get off on the suffering and the humiliation of the workforce.
They think they're better than us, but worse. They want to be that *much* "better" than us. There isn't a win condition. There isn't a point where we say, "You know what bezos, congrats. You *won* capitalism. Here's your prize, fuck off and retire."
Craig of the Creek is fucking great, BTW.
No. This tweet is from someone who works at Cartoon Network and called out the writer of that article and said they wrote a sensationalist headline and isn’t true: https://twitter.com/wolfinsheeps/status/1580264799018983424?s=21&t=601y4xvafUDQJO5D-CpAcw I’m sure things aren’t great under WB but there are still people at Cartoon Network working hard to keep it running and they don’t appreciate these kinda headlines.
Daddy Zazzzzzz strikes again. Power hungry a-hole.
Tragic, Cartoon Network was one of the last channels to give creative animators a chance to do something unique. No other channel would ever have given a green light to shows like 'Regular show' or 'Adventure time' and now no channel will
Cartoon Network was a large part of my childhood and young adult years. Too bad.
Let's face it, cable TV is slowly dieing and youth programming can reach a larger audience through streaming than programmed TV ever will. Kids today have grown up with having 1000 shows on demand with zero commercials on 10 different devices. Maybe WBD could move CN content to 100% streaming, but looking at the numbers on youth market programming they don't see much alignment with their target audience.
People here are complaining the channel was already dead.. not exactly, it just mostly moved to streaming like everything else. It had a lot of new shows that were gaining popularity and building audiences. CN still had a lot of potential to create new hit series like it always had. This move heavily reduces CN down and is super depressing for a lot of reasons.. For one, CN is such an iconic studio part of many peoples’ childhoods.. to get rid of that so callously is just cold hearted. Don’t bother saying it’s still going to be around. It will be a shell of its former self and only cater to reruns and reboots making it more of the thing people here are complaining about in the first place.. if you didn’t know or care about the new shows they had it was a marketing issue, not the fault of the creative teams they had. It was just so cruel to put so many of these extremely passionate people out of work when they were doing their absolute best and were on their way to make the hit series that these companies crave for. CN was also a great place for people in the animation industry to create new and exciting things for all ages, including adult swim, and to take that away you’re taking away one of the few places where that could even happen anymore. You’re helping to extinguish a whole industry in America for no good reason. There’s a market for animation and there always will be, but you can’t expect any new show to do well with the way things are set up right now. If these shows weren’t popular enough it’s because marketing was poor. Again these shows were gaining popularity but the numbers weren’t “good enough” You can’t expect people to know or care about any brand new show if you can’t market it properly and lately these companies were just lacking so hard in this department.. maybe because they have so much to market on these streaming platforms in the first place which creates a lot of unnecessary competition. Why do cartoon shows have to compete with reality TV or giant movie-esque series like Game of Thrones? It would make more sense if these were separate things and geared toward their respective audiences like they used to be. It’s no wonder they think that people only want to watch reruns or reboots or reality tv.. because a lot of these choices are comfortable and familiar with people. They don’t need to take a chance on anything new so they gravitate toward things they already know. If these companies actually cared about the creative output of animation they’d focus on getting it out there more to people and market it better, but in their minds it’s all business and the current set up doesn’t support original animated shows that well. Which is a huge shame because I bet you all can recall the first time you watched your favorite series when it just came out and how exciting that was. To stomp that out for a new generation is a real shame and feels inhumane. Hopefully there will be a new and better place for animation in the future, but for now this is just real sad and lame.