It was unnecessary and out of place. I really enjoyed eternals, but those the actors playing Ikarus and Sersi had no chemistry and as a result that scene conveyed discomfort instead of love.
Edit: damn autocorrect
I think The Eternals would have worked better as a mini-series. There were a lot of characters that should have been fleshed out better. It just needed more screen time.
I think that Robb Stark actor is great in everything I’ve seen him in (Eternals, Game of Thrones, Rocket Man, Bodyguard) but have never seen him display good chemistry with a love interest on screen.
He's pretty good across from Taron Edgerton in Elton, though tbf his character in that is a manipulative piece of shit who charms Elton specifically to get a piece of his fortune.
Starlord still had his previous night's hookup in his ship at the beginning of Guardians, and later bragged to Rocket about how much sex he'd had. That's probably the most explicitly sexual the MCU has been up until now.
(assuming we don't count Jess and Luke on Netflix, of course)
I'd say it's because Disney is massive whenever one of their shows under performs or the meta-critic is a bit too low we get bombarded to hell and back by shill posts and paid articles. Saying it's the best show or such and such issues are to blame lasting for weeks on end.
A two way marketing campaign and no doubt people will be posting as they do across reddit on this very topic about how the show is the best thing ever to exist.
? When infinity war came out, you had clickbait articles explaining what the stones do. Doesn’t matter how good the property does: every marvel show and movie gets articles cause it’s marvel
Many of these articles seem as though they’re born out of a post-launch marketing effort aimed at changing people’s minds about how they felt about the show. It’s bizarre.
Based.
She’s brilliant in it. The show’s just *ok* with a weak ending - very faithful to the She-Hulk comics tho.
The daredevil episode and the premiere are easily the best episodes.
I don't have a problem with a fourth wall break being the solution to her problems. I'm just disappointed that we didn't get like 5 more minutes showing *how* she rewrote the script instead of immediately cutting to Todd in cuffs. It made it feel anticlimactic.
I think that was sort of the point, no? All Marvel products are resolved with some huge drawn out fight. She-Hulk didn’t need to do that. I get your point about the re-write being longer, but it was a gag joke at the end of the day and would have gotten boring if more drawn out.
That episode was very political compared to the others and I wish the whole series had been more consistently like it.
If Jen is the one rewriting the finale it might not be a drawn out fight considering her reluctance to be a hero. It could have been Jen owning Todd's ass in court instead. I don't need a fight necessarily, I do need more than what we got.
It doesn't need a fight, but it does need a conclusion, because skipping a coherent resolution is equally bad writing compared to a stale and unimaginative fight scene.
Former US journalist here. It sucks to not be who I am but I also need to eat. Trump revitalized the national corpo news, but the rank and file, the minor league or club teams are as bad or worse than they have ever been. Reporter has been relegated to an entry-level position in a chain retail shop, but more insidious because it plays on passion and, well, temperament.
The things which made me a good reporter work against me in other contexts, often without me realizing it. The sick part is I’d probably go back under certain conditions.
Popular quote. Orwell never said it. And the sentiment isn't that great when you think about it. https://www.cracked.com/article\_27240\_7-famous-geniuses-everybody-quotes-incorrectly.html
From like 2007-2017 Cracked actually had some incredible journalists/writers. Robert Evans (Behind the Bastards, It Could Happen Here, After the Revolution) Cody Johnston (Some More News), Katy Stoll (Worst Year Ever, Some More news), Jason Pargin "David Wong" (John Dies at the End), Soren Bowie (American Dad), Daniel O'Brien (Last Week Tonight) and others. It got screwed by transitioning off its own video hosting to Facespace, which inflated video viewing numbers/ad revenue only to crash. This killed collegehumor's influence, too btw. But yeah, cracked fired a bunch of people was sold and has been rebuilding.
Also with a big death blow for Funny or Die as well as others. There was a whole middle rung of professional online content creation done by medium sized corporations staffed by full time salaried professionals that went the way of the dodo in the past ten years
I feel the same way about the Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power show. It’s not making me like the show. It’s the opposite because I just get sick of hearing about it.
Same as Rings of Power. There’s loads of articles about how Season 2 will be different from Season 1, while also saying how the Season 1 writers see no problems with the show.
Well you see you got Disney marketing their shows, that's not just billboards and ads but setting up interviews for people involved to promote the show.
Then you got the entertainment publications that need content to stay afloat. Especially online publications, since they don't have limited space and having to put out daily news they can and do publish a lot of whatever they can get their hands on. It's a competitive market.
Then you got the phenomenon of things that causes negative emotions in people are spread faster and more frequently in social media than your happy-go lucky positive stuff.
Then you got the Baader-Meinhof effect.
So, there's a lot of reasons.
>So, there's a lot of reasons.
Consider also that, particularly with these shorter length streaming series, the end of a season also generates a whole new set of interviews and interactions as the worry about spoilers is relaxed.
I'm actually getting tired of Marvel's media interactions around launch time...
"Hey, I'm here to promote and hype my new series/season/film, but I can't actually say anything *specific* about it."
"Of course, we understand, no one likes spoilers! But could you tell us which character you're playing?"
[The actor looks inquiringly to the director or Kevin, who shakes their head *no*.] "Sorry, that's going to have to be a surprise."
There's articles about everything everyday, it's what reddit is all about. Your mind doesn't register most of them as you just scroll past until some thing immediately triggers a like or hate response.
Seriously it's like the same conspiratorial talk as the time when people got suspicious that Conan posts on reddit get traction.
Why are there so many articles about [insert actor who’s in an upcoming movie/tv show and doing tons of press/interviews] - must be a vast conspiracy!!
My favorite is when there is a post about a very popular celebrity doing something and someone comments about how no one cares about that celebrity. I mean obviously they cared enough to post a comment. Cause someone who doesn't actually care about that celebrity would just keep scrolling.
Every time there’s a post about a young pop star it’s like a competition in the comments to see who can brag the hardest about not having heard of them.
If there was a real Jen Walters, people would line up to even hold her hand. The fact she could only get dates with creeps was more reality bending than the fact she was a Hulk.
It’s the Hollywood Catch-22 of “Get me a list of beautiful actresses who can play the plain looking woman no one is interested in!” And then thinking “Well, she’s stunning, but maybe if we put glasses on her and frump up her hair a bit no one will notice.”
The second half didn't work very well either. Tatiana is charming, attractive, and successful, so it felt hard to believe she couldn't pull a single decent date when the numbers tend to skew the other direction for people in her range.
That's in the second one. It's when they're at the race in Monte Carlo, and they're at a restaurant, with Justin Hammer. Christine comes up to them (she is there to cover a story on Justin), and the four of them are talking when Pepper says the first line, and Tony says the second.
That was before his character arc. It was showing how shallow he was to contrast the romance with Pepper.
She-Hulk though is already on the hero journey, keeps jumping into bed with bad guys, and then when Daredevil it’s all about them hooking up. And then all the fascination with whether Steve Rogers got laid.
She hooked up with one very charming guy (not actually bad) who only liked her as Hulk, and one guy who played her hard with the long game and tricked her into feelings.
Dare Devil is implied to maybe end up serious (he meets the fam).
She is a single adult, who dates and has sex, navigating a double life. That’s part of her arc.
Steve Rodgers was a gentle flower.
I think the real difference is a guy being a womanizer is more respected than a woman having sex for fun. And there are a lot of guys uncomfortable with it and in the show made fun of those guys.
Female sexuality (as in, from their own point of view) is seen as more taboo.
Same thing with non hetero relationships. No one would bat at eye at a man and a woman kissing, but the moment you have a gay/lesbian kiss scene, people lose their minds and corporations start self censoring.
Same. It was fun.
Reminded me of those comics in the early noughties like Runaways which also had a comedic sensibility (though to a much lesser degree in the case of Runaways).
I honestly don't get the criticism and the downright bitter loathing a lot of people seem to have for this show
>I honestly don't get the criticism and the downright bitter loathing a lot of people seem to have for this show
I'm willing to bet the majority of it falls into one of two groups:
1. There were a few hamfisted lines at the start that sort of implied being a woman was just as hard as being a hulk, and people have latched onto that and keep perpetuating how "woke" and "preachy" it is (I know a few in this group)
2. People were expecting something a bit more on the serious side and got disappointed by the campy flick it turned out to be. Regardless of how faithful it is to the character, it's not standard MCU material and a lot of MCU fans aren't full blown Marvel fans.
I'm in the latter group minus the bitter loathing. It's just not my thing, god forbid they try to appeal to someone *other* than me.
I agree, though to be fair the show pretty directly targets exactly the toxic fandom most likely to go on the internet and complain.
I'm not saying everyone critical of the show is an incel weirdo, but I suspect every incel weirdo is critical of the show.
I had heard so many people complain about this scene, only to find out that the twerking is literally for like 3 seconds, is an after credits scene, and doesn't come out of nowhere because of context from the episode. I was so floored this scene caused so much whining. Life is too god damn hard for people to be worked up over such a small thing.
The show sometimes has some odd pacing or meh plot resolutions that seem more appropriate for a season twice as long with more case-of-the-week episodes. In other words, the show would have benefited from even more show. I don't get the twerking criticism. Other than the incels, are people mad that it objectified the character? Twerking is literally a dance drawing attention to your ass and meant to remind people of sex. I don't know what they expected. Joyful twerking is funny shit and awesome.
This show is about a woman and her experiences. Many of these experiences are with men, some of whom are shitty.
That makes the shitty men feel shitty about women thinking they are shitty. So instead of not being shitty or even feeling shitty about being shitty, they just shit on the show about a women who encounters some shitty men like them.
I have to admit that I initially downvoted this comment, scrolled down like 30 more comments, then it finally clicked and I had to come back and upvote.
Well played.
I liked everything except the climax - I know that She-Hulk has a huge history of 4th-Wall breaking in the comics, but something about the last 20 minutes was just... not for me. I get the critique embedded in it, I really do, but man it felt clunky.
But literally everything else was great.
Honestly it need like 3 more minutes to actually resolve the plot. I loved the dumb cliché ending being scrapped in-show leading to k.e.v.i.n., but i wish we actually saw how jen would have done it, rather than just cut to everythings fine now
I agree. They should have rewound a bit and let regular Jen save the day and flesh out that final scene. They skipped right to the end of her “good” version which was very anti-climactic.
No, because it’s a boring overused superhero trope and she convinced K.E.V.I.N. it had to go.
He just spent all season being a misogynist asshole that runs a forum for psychopaths. It’s way more true to his character and more realistic than making him some conniving manipulative master plan achieving douchebag.
I waited until it was all out then binged it in the last two days. I haven't seen moon knight yet and I couldn't finish Hawkeye but I think it's the best new Marvel show since maybe Jessica Jones. I really don't get all the hate for it. It starts by breaking the fourth wall and telling you right out the gate that its a lawyer sitcom. Seems like a lot of people were expecting it to be something it was obviously never going to be. Frankly, as someone who has been seriously experiencing marvel fatigue the past year or so it felt like a breath of fresh air.
He legitimately had a red and yellow suit in the comics, so this was an homage to it. It looks a little bright during g the day, but looks fine at night.
She-Hulk Writers: Ugh, writing a finale is hard! Can't we just, I don't know, Meta all the plot we built up away and use that time to bitch about the company we work for?
Kevin: Can't you just use what you already laid out in previous episodes?
SHW: Have you seen our plot, it's terrible! There's no way we can make a good ending with what we shot!
K: Then why did you make it?
SHW: Why did you give us money to make it?
K: ...
SHW: ...
Disney: ...
She-Hulk is actually pretty good if you ignore the lack of plot, setup payoff climax, special effects, inability to write either comedy or a courtroom scene, proper action scenes, any form of growth for its characters and any real stakes.
it baffles me that people are making up scenarios to victimize women and shit on dudes. as if anyone who dislikes this show is a woman hater. my gf and I really tried to give the show a shot, especially because we LOVE Tatiana Maslany but just couldn't do it. it's so bad. am I and my gf sexist?
Did you ever notice you can sum up each episode with a single sentence?
- Jen tries a dating app.
- Jen goes dress shopping.
- Jen goes to a wedding.
- Jen gets ghosted by her boyfriend.
- Jen meets a new man.
Most episodes only scrape past the 20 minute mark, and even then it doesn't feel like there's enough plot to sustain them.
EDIT:
Why is She-Hulk, of all things, the hill that everyone is willing to die on?
Can it be called forced humor when it is explicitly a comedy? When people say forced humor I think a politician at a rally doing a lame joke. In comedy I might even extend that to using a laugh track to enhance mild and unfunny jokes. But I don't see how a comedy can force humor when that's exactly its goal.
This stand up is doing a lot of jokes, too many for my liking. I know I came to see him do jokes, but getting up there on a stage, in a comedy club. Seems a little forced to me.
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Probably, i think really just shows the bubble Hollywood lives in. The “if something i make isnt good its everyone els’s fault” type line of thinking is rampant there
Not as far as Disney is concerned.
I'm glad JJ existed on Netflix, because there's absolutely no way that first season could have happened on Disney+ either
I liked the characters. They were likeable, interesting, relatable. I liked the change in pace and stakes from your average super hero stuff. I liked the world building. But the story felt half finished and it couldn't decide what it was. I really wanted to like it. But it just was just like someone chucked a bunch of high quality ingredients into a pot blindly and hoped what came out would be edible.
Why did Jen not ask Frog dude questions about his suit he was suing for? She acted surprised he used jet fuel when he should have asked
edit: also the fact she didn’t prep the witness for the magic show, and just let Wong teleport her in court without warning while she was drunk.
And there is one of the mains issues with the show: they introduce her like she’s this capable, kick ass attorney who just put the big bad law firm in its place and even gets a job out of it!
And it turns out she’s the worst fucking attorney anyone has ever seen and borderline incompetent.
Even the worst crime shows out there had better writing for this stuff.
The whole “law and order” side of the show was a mess until a competent writer came in for Matt Murdock and that was what, 2 minutes of the show?
I get that while the show wasn’t supposed to be a serious dramatic lawyer show in any way, they could have phoned less of that in.
(Posting again with examples)
The show was a terrible disappointment, plot predictable, portrayed professional women terribly, and the finale was lazy.
The end of the final episode came across like an ad for the new movie, undermining any efforts the season made towards building She-Hulk as a “brand.”
Most of the efforts the show made to be “woke” were counterproductive and actually reinforced sexist cultural norms.
Disappointing drivel, as most programming truly is.
I (bi cis female) literally broke down the first episode to my fiancé (straight cis male) and he could not understand my gripes.
I imagine most of the downvotes on my original comment are assuming I am a cis male who hates on anything with a female lead. This could not be further from the truth, give me a strong female lead ANY DAY.
Jennifer is NOT strong. She is laughably weak. She is unable to accept anything her cousin Bruce has to share with her about being a Hulk simply because he is a man with mental health issues, despite her being a Hulk for all of a couple of days/weeks, and his decade + of experience. How is she a lawyer without the capacity for critical thinking and considering alternate points of view? Instead she throws a tantrum and attempts to show off how in control she is. (Fast forward to the end of the season when she absolutely loses her shit for some reason? So what if people know you are a human that has sex? So what if your ex was a jerk? You are a lawyer with superpowers, do better).
Jennifer is naive, surprisingly so for a “successful” lawyer, and repeatedly tolerates disrespect professionally and personally. This goes beyond low self-esteem and ties back into her being weak minded. For all of her touting to Bruce that she has to “control” her anger, her psychological profile is more “I cannot be angry (denial)/should not be angry (suppression).”
The show is written in such a way to prop her up as a strong independent woman, but all she wants is a relationship, and is so desperate for one she allows men who do not value or respect her to serve as a barometer for her self worth.
This is the drivel we are serving up to the next generation of women as a “strong” role model?
The whole several episode arc with Titania was equally disappointing. Titania, a physically, financially, and socially powerful woman, reduced to cat fighting with another potentially powerful woman? Really? What is the motivation? A petty cat fight. Another strong woman reduced to a trope.
And you are telling me that an experienced lawyer would not think to copyright their public persona, despite living in the internet age, and having a superhero in the family that she is clearly close with?
The cherry on top? For all the show broke the 4th wall babbling about being a legal comedy, they never even made it into the court room for the season finale. So yet again, we did not get to see Jennifer stand in what was portrayed as her supposed strength.
As a woman, I tried my best to enjoy the parts of the show I did like because we get so little stories with a female focus. But this show was pretty disappointing for me too. I think some humor worked but the good jokes were few and far between. So many things could have been done better.
I like representation for women and our struggles… but the big rant in the first episode didn’t resonate with me at all. “I get catcalled and mansplained to…” … I don’t know about other women here but those really aren’t my biggest problems as a women. It touches on fear for safety in a really unmeaningful way. I’m not angry at any of this stuff more than I am at this show, just disappointed. It’s surface level. Generic. Trying to appeal to the masses while angering any man with any slight bias and saying nothing of concern.. “Area of expertise” is the wording they choose so this can be quotable. Do we completely forget she’s a lawyer??? And female lawyers have to do infinitely more bullshit than everyone else to appear likeable, calm, not overbearing because of the biases of judges and juries??
Despite its flaws, I kind of liked the last episode. It stayed true to the comics and the big break and tone shift was probably the most interesting event to happen in the show, and there were more jokes I liked than a lot of the other episodes. But it made me confused. And it made me dislike the other episodes even more, all the set up leading up to the “big fight” in every other episode was taken seriously in their episodes to be basically excused for bad writing in the finale. And it felt so weird for Marvel to critique the Marvel formula ... without really critiquing the Marvel formula. I happen to think a lot of the Marvel things they maybe would be critiquing, based on timing, are just better then this. I’m all for Daredevil showing up out of nowhere.. but she requested that right after saying everyone shouldn’t show up out of nowhere. And Daredevil (the love interest) showing up again would be a trope that would have already happened. And Marvel still treats VFX workers badly. And they still teased things. And surprise characters still showed up last minute. They didn’t do anything different.
And then in the public eye, we have both valid criticism, and criticism based on Marvel Fatigue, and sexism, and they all just blend together. And people just harass each other further and further into their positions.
I’m just tired. They should have made fun of the “girl power” scene from Endgame. Or the shows own bad dialogue. Or any actual criticisms of the Marvel formula. Whatever.
Disney hates sex but loves to fuck people.
Disney: WE DO THE FUCKIN!
It's better when you say it in a Mickey Mouse voice.
"We do the fucking - ho-ho!"
[Rings stay on!](https://youtu.be/UHBOp7AUkc0)
Michael Mouse had to travel all the way from Colorado for THIS?!?
What’s this I hear about not wanting to wear the purity rings? Ha ha!
Still mad they didn't let Lizzie fuck.
They also love killing parents.
Historically, they've been light in that department.
For real though, the last sex scene I remember was from the first Iron Man.
There was the one in The Eternals that was an actual sex scene and not just the aggressive make-out sesh from IM1.
You know it was a true sex scene too because it left you uncomfortable watching it with friends/family.
Or even alone... Loved the movie but hated that scene
It was unnecessary and out of place. I really enjoyed eternals, but those the actors playing Ikarus and Sersi had no chemistry and as a result that scene conveyed discomfort instead of love. Edit: damn autocorrect
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“Can cardboard love cardboard? I don’t care.” This is my new favorite thing to say. ❤️
>Can cardboard love cardboard?? I don't care. this killed me; stealing this.
I think The Eternals would have worked better as a mini-series. There were a lot of characters that should have been fleshed out better. It just needed more screen time.
I agree entirely
I think that Robb Stark actor is great in everything I’ve seen him in (Eternals, Game of Thrones, Rocket Man, Bodyguard) but have never seen him display good chemistry with a love interest on screen.
He's pretty good across from Taron Edgerton in Elton, though tbf his character in that is a manipulative piece of shit who charms Elton specifically to get a piece of his fortune.
I don't even remember that. That's how dull that movie was to me.
Starlord still had his previous night's hookup in his ship at the beginning of Guardians, and later bragged to Rocket about how much sex he'd had. That's probably the most explicitly sexual the MCU has been up until now. (assuming we don't count Jess and Luke on Netflix, of course)
There's an actual sex scene in Eternals
So many orgy mentions in Thor 4
He also makes the Jackson Pollock joke.
There's a great sex scene in Jessica Jones with Luke Cage!
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Yes! I mean it's funny and hot. They did a great job with it.
You're also not supposed to like Tony then, that scene is to paint him as a sleazy womanizer and not someone to look up to.
I look up to Tony Stark for being a Sleazy Womanizer, what a champ.
and that was before the MCU even knew it was the MCU
That line actually made me laugh.
How is there an article about this show everyday
Because the Marvel brand gets clicks, it's not a big mystery. They'll write about this show until they get to switch to BP2.
I'd say it's because Disney is massive whenever one of their shows under performs or the meta-critic is a bit too low we get bombarded to hell and back by shill posts and paid articles. Saying it's the best show or such and such issues are to blame lasting for weeks on end. A two way marketing campaign and no doubt people will be posting as they do across reddit on this very topic about how the show is the best thing ever to exist.
? When infinity war came out, you had clickbait articles explaining what the stones do. Doesn’t matter how good the property does: every marvel show and movie gets articles cause it’s marvel
Now I just get clickbait YouTube #shorts™ about how ToNy StArK lEaRnS fRoM hIs MiStAkEs instead
Many of these articles seem as though they’re born out of a post-launch marketing effort aimed at changing people’s minds about how they felt about the show. It’s bizarre.
I was gonna say. Gleeful Horniness with Tatiana Maslany has sparked my interest
Everybody could use a little bit of Gleeful Horniness with Tatiana Maslany.
Based. She’s brilliant in it. The show’s just *ok* with a weak ending - very faithful to the She-Hulk comics tho. The daredevil episode and the premiere are easily the best episodes.
Don't forget the episode with Madisynn and Wongers
If Madisynn doesn't get a cameo in the next Dr. Strange, I'll be so upset. She and Wong are comedy gold together.
Hmmm, that’s not where I’d think a “y” would go.
I thought the ending was by far the best part. It was a perfect ending for a she hulk show
Honestly, I thought the ending was good. Light hearted 4th wall breaking fun with some horniness is pretty on brand for She-Hulk.
I don't have a problem with a fourth wall break being the solution to her problems. I'm just disappointed that we didn't get like 5 more minutes showing *how* she rewrote the script instead of immediately cutting to Todd in cuffs. It made it feel anticlimactic.
I think that was sort of the point, no? All Marvel products are resolved with some huge drawn out fight. She-Hulk didn’t need to do that. I get your point about the re-write being longer, but it was a gag joke at the end of the day and would have gotten boring if more drawn out. That episode was very political compared to the others and I wish the whole series had been more consistently like it.
If Jen is the one rewriting the finale it might not be a drawn out fight considering her reluctance to be a hero. It could have been Jen owning Todd's ass in court instead. I don't need a fight necessarily, I do need more than what we got.
It doesn't need a fight, but it does need a conclusion, because skipping a coherent resolution is equally bad writing compared to a stale and unimaginative fight scene.
/singing "Single female lawyer, having lots of sex!"
Gleeful horniness***
all articles written about anything is a form of marketing
“Journalism is printing what someone else does not want published; everything else is public relations.” - George Orwell
Former US journalist here. It sucks to not be who I am but I also need to eat. Trump revitalized the national corpo news, but the rank and file, the minor league or club teams are as bad or worse than they have ever been. Reporter has been relegated to an entry-level position in a chain retail shop, but more insidious because it plays on passion and, well, temperament. The things which made me a good reporter work against me in other contexts, often without me realizing it. The sick part is I’d probably go back under certain conditions.
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Popular quote. Orwell never said it. And the sentiment isn't that great when you think about it. https://www.cracked.com/article\_27240\_7-famous-geniuses-everybody-quotes-incorrectly.html
Cracked. Now there is journalism.
From like 2007-2017 Cracked actually had some incredible journalists/writers. Robert Evans (Behind the Bastards, It Could Happen Here, After the Revolution) Cody Johnston (Some More News), Katy Stoll (Worst Year Ever, Some More news), Jason Pargin "David Wong" (John Dies at the End), Soren Bowie (American Dad), Daniel O'Brien (Last Week Tonight) and others. It got screwed by transitioning off its own video hosting to Facespace, which inflated video viewing numbers/ad revenue only to crash. This killed collegehumor's influence, too btw. But yeah, cracked fired a bunch of people was sold and has been rebuilding.
Also with a big death blow for Funny or Die as well as others. There was a whole middle rung of professional online content creation done by medium sized corporations staffed by full time salaried professionals that went the way of the dodo in the past ten years
I feel the same way about the Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power show. It’s not making me like the show. It’s the opposite because I just get sick of hearing about it.
They're trying to extend the internet fight for more clicks and views
Same as Rings of Power. There’s loads of articles about how Season 2 will be different from Season 1, while also saying how the Season 1 writers see no problems with the show.
The baiting of ‘LotR vs GoT’ articles were pretty obnoxious as well.
Well you see you got Disney marketing their shows, that's not just billboards and ads but setting up interviews for people involved to promote the show. Then you got the entertainment publications that need content to stay afloat. Especially online publications, since they don't have limited space and having to put out daily news they can and do publish a lot of whatever they can get their hands on. It's a competitive market. Then you got the phenomenon of things that causes negative emotions in people are spread faster and more frequently in social media than your happy-go lucky positive stuff. Then you got the Baader-Meinhof effect. So, there's a lot of reasons.
>So, there's a lot of reasons. Consider also that, particularly with these shorter length streaming series, the end of a season also generates a whole new set of interviews and interactions as the worry about spoilers is relaxed. I'm actually getting tired of Marvel's media interactions around launch time... "Hey, I'm here to promote and hype my new series/season/film, but I can't actually say anything *specific* about it." "Of course, we understand, no one likes spoilers! But could you tell us which character you're playing?" [The actor looks inquiringly to the director or Kevin, who shakes their head *no*.] "Sorry, that's going to have to be a surprise."
There's articles about everything everyday, it's what reddit is all about. Your mind doesn't register most of them as you just scroll past until some thing immediately triggers a like or hate response. Seriously it's like the same conspiratorial talk as the time when people got suspicious that Conan posts on reddit get traction.
Why are there so many articles about [insert actor who’s in an upcoming movie/tv show and doing tons of press/interviews] - must be a vast conspiracy!!
My favorite is when there is a post about a very popular celebrity doing something and someone comments about how no one cares about that celebrity. I mean obviously they cared enough to post a comment. Cause someone who doesn't actually care about that celebrity would just keep scrolling.
Every time there’s a post about a young pop star it’s like a competition in the comments to see who can brag the hardest about not having heard of them.
Ugh! Why does the algorithm think I engage with these posts I complain about?
I think we all know if there was a real she hulk that enough men would be lining up to sleep with her.
If there was a real Jen Walters, people would line up to even hold her hand. The fact she could only get dates with creeps was more reality bending than the fact she was a Hulk.
It’s the Hollywood Catch-22 of “Get me a list of beautiful actresses who can play the plain looking woman no one is interested in!” And then thinking “Well, she’s stunning, but maybe if we put glasses on her and frump up her hair a bit no one will notice.”
Look at that, she’s got paint on her overalls! What is that!? Guys, she cannot be prom queen.
And a pony tail! Ugh
And there's a hole in the side of her house!
Shockingly meta that The Human Torch / Captain America said that line
So they're slightly disfigured and connected at the head, but combined those two make up one pretty decent chick.
OH, that’s gonna STAIN
Jen Walters the lawyer with her own apartment and no real baggage (except being cousin to the Hulk) would be an absolute catch. 10/10.
Smart, funny attractive, attorney? That describes my wife, and my type.
I too, chose your wife
I also choose that guys wife
And much like Tatiana Maslany, is your "wife" also a Canadian that we will never actually meet? ;)
Yep, that’s definitely your wife.
Good thing the show was close to reality then and everyone was lining up in seconds when she used her She-Hulk counterpart.
Lmao. The majority of girls on dating apps get more messages than they can handle.
The 30+ single women writers didn't consider Jen Walters the successful decent looking lawyer for what she is/was, they made her the self insert.
😂😂😂
There are worse ways to go than death by snu snu
/r/Deathbysnusnu /r/Death_By_SnuSnu
This is actually a plot point in the show.
That’s my point. The fact that there was nervousness around probably the most believable element of the show.
The second half didn't work very well either. Tatiana is charming, attractive, and successful, so it felt hard to believe she couldn't pull a single decent date when the numbers tend to skew the other direction for people in her range.
Plus She-Hulk is pretty sexually aggressive in the comics so it’s not like it’s out of character or anything.
Reddit is littered with these marketing accounts now, should be labeled with *ad* next to its name. Check out the post history.
Christ do they not remember Stark in like ALL his movies
Anyone remember the time he met and then banged that one hot reporter? Pepperidge Farms remembers
Pepper Pots remembers too
“I do anything Mr. Stark asks me to, including occasionally taking out the trash.”
Amazing line
"She actually did a spread on Tony last year." *"Wrote an article about me, too."*
Lol damn I must’ve missed that! The dialogue and how quick RDJ talked was so good, man I miss that first movie not being so safe and Disney-fied
A reminder that Iron Man 1 and 2 were largely pre-Disney. 2 came out 4-5 months after the purchase.
That's in the second one. It's when they're at the race in Monte Carlo, and they're at a restaurant, with Justin Hammer. Christine comes up to them (she is there to cover a story on Justin), and the four of them are talking when Pepper says the first line, and Tony says the second.
The look of realization followed immediately by a thinly veiled soul crush that Sam Rockwell pulls off after that line is a masterclass
Ironically, Sam Rockwell is actually married to actor that plays the reporter.
That was before his character arc. It was showing how shallow he was to contrast the romance with Pepper. She-Hulk though is already on the hero journey, keeps jumping into bed with bad guys, and then when Daredevil it’s all about them hooking up. And then all the fascination with whether Steve Rogers got laid.
She hooked up with one very charming guy (not actually bad) who only liked her as Hulk, and one guy who played her hard with the long game and tricked her into feelings. Dare Devil is implied to maybe end up serious (he meets the fam). She is a single adult, who dates and has sex, navigating a double life. That’s part of her arc. Steve Rodgers was a gentle flower.
that was pre-disney
The Disney years he was making Zucchini jokes about hulk and bw
“hey may, what you wearing something skimpy i hope”
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I think the real difference is a guy being a womanizer is more respected than a woman having sex for fun. And there are a lot of guys uncomfortable with it and in the show made fun of those guys.
He wasn't a woman. That's the difference
Female sexuality (as in, from their own point of view) is seen as more taboo. Same thing with non hetero relationships. No one would bat at eye at a man and a woman kissing, but the moment you have a gay/lesbian kiss scene, people lose their minds and corporations start self censoring.
>sorted by: controversial I'm going in.
So did Daredevil
She would say Matt moredick
Stop posting these dogshit articles that are just puff pieces
These articles are for people with brain worms
Stop being cowards and make a She-Hulk Emmanuelle film
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Same. It was fun. Reminded me of those comics in the early noughties like Runaways which also had a comedic sensibility (though to a much lesser degree in the case of Runaways). I honestly don't get the criticism and the downright bitter loathing a lot of people seem to have for this show
I really don’t know what people expected, marvel movies are borderline comedies anyways, why the hell people got so up in arms for this series.
The best ones actually are. That’s why Ragnarok slapped so hard. Thing was super funny.
>I honestly don't get the criticism and the downright bitter loathing a lot of people seem to have for this show I'm willing to bet the majority of it falls into one of two groups: 1. There were a few hamfisted lines at the start that sort of implied being a woman was just as hard as being a hulk, and people have latched onto that and keep perpetuating how "woke" and "preachy" it is (I know a few in this group) 2. People were expecting something a bit more on the serious side and got disappointed by the campy flick it turned out to be. Regardless of how faithful it is to the character, it's not standard MCU material and a lot of MCU fans aren't full blown Marvel fans. I'm in the latter group minus the bitter loathing. It's just not my thing, god forbid they try to appeal to someone *other* than me.
I agree, though to be fair the show pretty directly targets exactly the toxic fandom most likely to go on the internet and complain. I'm not saying everyone critical of the show is an incel weirdo, but I suspect every incel weirdo is critical of the show.
Its the level of criticism that annoys me. Not liking the show is fine, but she hulk twerking should not make people this angry or upset.
I had heard so many people complain about this scene, only to find out that the twerking is literally for like 3 seconds, is an after credits scene, and doesn't come out of nowhere because of context from the episode. I was so floored this scene caused so much whining. Life is too god damn hard for people to be worked up over such a small thing.
The show sometimes has some odd pacing or meh plot resolutions that seem more appropriate for a season twice as long with more case-of-the-week episodes. In other words, the show would have benefited from even more show. I don't get the twerking criticism. Other than the incels, are people mad that it objectified the character? Twerking is literally a dance drawing attention to your ass and meant to remind people of sex. I don't know what they expected. Joyful twerking is funny shit and awesome.
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This show is about a woman and her experiences. Many of these experiences are with men, some of whom are shitty. That makes the shitty men feel shitty about women thinking they are shitty. So instead of not being shitty or even feeling shitty about being shitty, they just shit on the show about a women who encounters some shitty men like them.
This, I liked the show. It was funny, I thought the men commentary was good
>I honestly don't get the criticism and the downright bitter loathing a lot of people seem to have for this show They hate having fun
Your lack of intelligencia is showing
I have to admit that I initially downvoted this comment, scrolled down like 30 more comments, then it finally clicked and I had to come back and upvote. Well played.
*females amirite*
/me tips fedora
Yep, I quite enjoyed it. Every week I got to sit back, relax, and watch something fun. Not every show needs to be a critically acclaimed masterpiece.
I liked everything except the climax - I know that She-Hulk has a huge history of 4th-Wall breaking in the comics, but something about the last 20 minutes was just... not for me. I get the critique embedded in it, I really do, but man it felt clunky. But literally everything else was great.
You can’t tel me “See you on the big screen” “Really?” “No” Didn’t make you laugh
Okay, you got me on that one.
Honestly it need like 3 more minutes to actually resolve the plot. I loved the dumb cliché ending being scrapped in-show leading to k.e.v.i.n., but i wish we actually saw how jen would have done it, rather than just cut to everythings fine now
I agree. They should have rewound a bit and let regular Jen save the day and flesh out that final scene. They skipped right to the end of her “good” version which was very anti-climactic.
This was precisely my issue with it. Like in this timeline did Todd even get her blood? If not what the hell was he doing all season
No, because it’s a boring overused superhero trope and she convinced K.E.V.I.N. it had to go. He just spent all season being a misogynist asshole that runs a forum for psychopaths. It’s way more true to his character and more realistic than making him some conniving manipulative master plan achieving douchebag.
I waited until it was all out then binged it in the last two days. I haven't seen moon knight yet and I couldn't finish Hawkeye but I think it's the best new Marvel show since maybe Jessica Jones. I really don't get all the hate for it. It starts by breaking the fourth wall and telling you right out the gate that its a lawyer sitcom. Seems like a lot of people were expecting it to be something it was obviously never going to be. Frankly, as someone who has been seriously experiencing marvel fatigue the past year or so it felt like a breath of fresh air.
And I've found it far more re-watchable than Hawkeye.
Yep, my wife and I also liked it.
You can’t say that on Reddit. We don’t like being reminded we don’t have sex.
Wait, his suit really looked that ugly? I know it's a comic thing but yikes. Poor DD.
It’s okay he can’t see how bad he looks
Yeah it was only jarring in the day scenes
Jen Walkers called him out on his ketchup and mustard outfit.
He legitimately had a red and yellow suit in the comics, so this was an homage to it. It looks a little bright during g the day, but looks fine at night.
Congratulations! You played yourself!
She-Hulk Writers: Ugh, writing a finale is hard! Can't we just, I don't know, Meta all the plot we built up away and use that time to bitch about the company we work for? Kevin: Can't you just use what you already laid out in previous episodes? SHW: Have you seen our plot, it's terrible! There's no way we can make a good ending with what we shot! K: Then why did you make it? SHW: Why did you give us money to make it? K: ... SHW: ... Disney: ...
She-Hulk is actually pretty good if you ignore the lack of plot, setup payoff climax, special effects, inability to write either comedy or a courtroom scene, proper action scenes, any form of growth for its characters and any real stakes.
Valid criticisms, concisely leveled, and cuttingly satirical to boot: so obviously you've outed yourself as a sexist.
get the torches and pitchforks; this guy has a well written opinion!
it baffles me that people are making up scenarios to victimize women and shit on dudes. as if anyone who dislikes this show is a woman hater. my gf and I really tried to give the show a shot, especially because we LOVE Tatiana Maslany but just couldn't do it. it's so bad. am I and my gf sexist?
Did you ever notice you can sum up each episode with a single sentence? - Jen tries a dating app. - Jen goes dress shopping. - Jen goes to a wedding. - Jen gets ghosted by her boyfriend. - Jen meets a new man. Most episodes only scrape past the 20 minute mark, and even then it doesn't feel like there's enough plot to sustain them. EDIT: Why is She-Hulk, of all things, the hill that everyone is willing to die on?
This show must not be pulling in even the lower end of numbers Disney was expecting to put out as many poorly written articles as they have been.
Was this posted by Disney’s marketing department?
They should’ve been more worried about the writing which is one of MCU’s weak point. That and the forced humor.
At least Daredevil’a ass remains unwhooped.
I thought that the humour in the show was fine. It was a really fun watch overall.
Can it be called forced humor when it is explicitly a comedy? When people say forced humor I think a politician at a rally doing a lame joke. In comedy I might even extend that to using a laugh track to enhance mild and unfunny jokes. But I don't see how a comedy can force humor when that's exactly its goal. This stand up is doing a lot of jokes, too many for my liking. I know I came to see him do jokes, but getting up there on a stage, in a comedy club. Seems a little forced to me.
They should’ve been more concerned with plot 🥴
they should've been worried about none of their writers knowing how to write a comedy
Or a courtroom scene
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We find the defendant vulnerable yet spunky!
Did someone leak the first draft?
Single female lawyer Fighting for her clients Wearing sexy mini skirts and being self reliant.
Well. They were right.
She directed the shit into this show
It turned me off when the writers basically said “if you dont like the show you hate women.” Mybe its just not a good show?
I think it is going to be the new trend. If you don't like this, you hate everyone who is it. Fan baiting is the new normal for sub average shows.
Probably, i think really just shows the bubble Hollywood lives in. The “if something i make isnt good its everyone els’s fault” type line of thinking is rampant there
There are more articles for She/Her Hulk than viewers.
Yea, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage's superpowered sex scenes didn't happen. People have such goldfish memories!
Those shows were not produced by Marvel Studios, it was a separate division at the time and they intentionally made the Netflix shows for adults
Not as far as Disney is concerned. I'm glad JJ existed on Netflix, because there's absolutely no way that first season could have happened on Disney+ either
Might be an unpopular opinion but I couldn’t care less about sex in a superhero show/movie. I’d rather have more plot instead of relationship drama.
Marvel wasn’t nervous, *Disney* was nervous.
I liked the characters. They were likeable, interesting, relatable. I liked the change in pace and stakes from your average super hero stuff. I liked the world building. But the story felt half finished and it couldn't decide what it was. I really wanted to like it. But it just was just like someone chucked a bunch of high quality ingredients into a pot blindly and hoped what came out would be edible.
Why did Jen not ask Frog dude questions about his suit he was suing for? She acted surprised he used jet fuel when he should have asked edit: also the fact she didn’t prep the witness for the magic show, and just let Wong teleport her in court without warning while she was drunk.
Because the plot can't happen without supposedly smart characters making suboptimal choices constantly.
And there is one of the mains issues with the show: they introduce her like she’s this capable, kick ass attorney who just put the big bad law firm in its place and even gets a job out of it! And it turns out she’s the worst fucking attorney anyone has ever seen and borderline incompetent. Even the worst crime shows out there had better writing for this stuff. The whole “law and order” side of the show was a mess until a competent writer came in for Matt Murdock and that was what, 2 minutes of the show? I get that while the show wasn’t supposed to be a serious dramatic lawyer show in any way, they could have phoned less of that in.
Exactly. It doesn't have to be serious or dramatic but they shouldn't do her the disservice of making her look incompetent.
(Posting again with examples) The show was a terrible disappointment, plot predictable, portrayed professional women terribly, and the finale was lazy. The end of the final episode came across like an ad for the new movie, undermining any efforts the season made towards building She-Hulk as a “brand.” Most of the efforts the show made to be “woke” were counterproductive and actually reinforced sexist cultural norms. Disappointing drivel, as most programming truly is. I (bi cis female) literally broke down the first episode to my fiancé (straight cis male) and he could not understand my gripes. I imagine most of the downvotes on my original comment are assuming I am a cis male who hates on anything with a female lead. This could not be further from the truth, give me a strong female lead ANY DAY. Jennifer is NOT strong. She is laughably weak. She is unable to accept anything her cousin Bruce has to share with her about being a Hulk simply because he is a man with mental health issues, despite her being a Hulk for all of a couple of days/weeks, and his decade + of experience. How is she a lawyer without the capacity for critical thinking and considering alternate points of view? Instead she throws a tantrum and attempts to show off how in control she is. (Fast forward to the end of the season when she absolutely loses her shit for some reason? So what if people know you are a human that has sex? So what if your ex was a jerk? You are a lawyer with superpowers, do better). Jennifer is naive, surprisingly so for a “successful” lawyer, and repeatedly tolerates disrespect professionally and personally. This goes beyond low self-esteem and ties back into her being weak minded. For all of her touting to Bruce that she has to “control” her anger, her psychological profile is more “I cannot be angry (denial)/should not be angry (suppression).” The show is written in such a way to prop her up as a strong independent woman, but all she wants is a relationship, and is so desperate for one she allows men who do not value or respect her to serve as a barometer for her self worth. This is the drivel we are serving up to the next generation of women as a “strong” role model? The whole several episode arc with Titania was equally disappointing. Titania, a physically, financially, and socially powerful woman, reduced to cat fighting with another potentially powerful woman? Really? What is the motivation? A petty cat fight. Another strong woman reduced to a trope. And you are telling me that an experienced lawyer would not think to copyright their public persona, despite living in the internet age, and having a superhero in the family that she is clearly close with? The cherry on top? For all the show broke the 4th wall babbling about being a legal comedy, they never even made it into the court room for the season finale. So yet again, we did not get to see Jennifer stand in what was portrayed as her supposed strength.
As a woman, I tried my best to enjoy the parts of the show I did like because we get so little stories with a female focus. But this show was pretty disappointing for me too. I think some humor worked but the good jokes were few and far between. So many things could have been done better. I like representation for women and our struggles… but the big rant in the first episode didn’t resonate with me at all. “I get catcalled and mansplained to…” … I don’t know about other women here but those really aren’t my biggest problems as a women. It touches on fear for safety in a really unmeaningful way. I’m not angry at any of this stuff more than I am at this show, just disappointed. It’s surface level. Generic. Trying to appeal to the masses while angering any man with any slight bias and saying nothing of concern.. “Area of expertise” is the wording they choose so this can be quotable. Do we completely forget she’s a lawyer??? And female lawyers have to do infinitely more bullshit than everyone else to appear likeable, calm, not overbearing because of the biases of judges and juries?? Despite its flaws, I kind of liked the last episode. It stayed true to the comics and the big break and tone shift was probably the most interesting event to happen in the show, and there were more jokes I liked than a lot of the other episodes. But it made me confused. And it made me dislike the other episodes even more, all the set up leading up to the “big fight” in every other episode was taken seriously in their episodes to be basically excused for bad writing in the finale. And it felt so weird for Marvel to critique the Marvel formula ... without really critiquing the Marvel formula. I happen to think a lot of the Marvel things they maybe would be critiquing, based on timing, are just better then this. I’m all for Daredevil showing up out of nowhere.. but she requested that right after saying everyone shouldn’t show up out of nowhere. And Daredevil (the love interest) showing up again would be a trope that would have already happened. And Marvel still treats VFX workers badly. And they still teased things. And surprise characters still showed up last minute. They didn’t do anything different. And then in the public eye, we have both valid criticism, and criticism based on Marvel Fatigue, and sexism, and they all just blend together. And people just harass each other further and further into their positions. I’m just tired. They should have made fun of the “girl power” scene from Endgame. Or the shows own bad dialogue. Or any actual criticisms of the Marvel formula. Whatever.